veteran-class

[willow rain]

This is why I consider the force greatsword the most superior blade option available (outside of my shovel for fun and knife for gremlin stealth stuff)

Swing swing swing swing swing

I don't know what a DS is btw

[mystic oak]

ive used a gray falchion for 2 minutes, and already vastly prefer it over power sword

why cant power sword have this activation type

[willow rain]

This guy gets me

[compact oracle]

because its way stronger

[spark helm]

I just like it because it's cool, on psyker, plays extremely well into my psyker build preferences, is already just a good stable melee option with a lot of flexibility and the special.

[willow rain]

Power cycle

[mystic oak]

yet it feels like crap

[willow rain]

I like it because blade wave

[dapper coyote]

I fucking love whenever there's an arbites or an ogryn with my character

[willow rain]

I was sold the second I fired one of those bad boys out

Haven't gone back since

[compact oracle]

true, but thats why

[dapper coyote]

THE PROVOST IS GONE!

LOOTING SEASON IS BACK OPEN!

[autumn ferry]

i love ogryn and vet interactions

[mystic oak]

power sword deserves this activation type, idc if it becomes busted #MakePowerSwordFeelGoodAgain

[dapper coyote]

I love bodyguard and arbites interactions lmao

CO-IN-KI-DINKS

And the arbites also responded with CO-IN-KI-DINKS back to ogryn

[spark helm]

Power sword is a particularly technical melee weapon (even if not too overloaded in terms of execution requirements by popular standards at least in here) so that aspect to it can turn people off. It's really amazing and always has been since the game's closed beta. I'm not certain about any low points in its use history but power sword is hands out veteran's most potent melee option.

[mystic oak]

i wont lie its a strong weapon, the problem is it just feels like crap to use. I can understand some "timing and skill", but in general, that activation type just feels terrible to use.

If it wasnt for power sword being a horde deleter, no one would use it cause of how annoying that activation type is

Like compare power sword activation to Force Greatsword Imbue

[spark helm]

I'm used to it and have been rotating it in builds for ages now. When I'm really in the mood for it, I love it. Otherwise, it's not a mandatory choice thankfully. That'd be very stale.

[willow rain]

Power cycle is the only reason I can use power sword

[mystic oak]

i respect your choice though, i just personally hate how it feels, no matter how good it is

And i feel it just sucks seeing power sword legit Require power cycler to be standable in long term use, when falchion has just a overall better version of the same skill

[surreal rune]

wait, that would mean that the ogryn is smart enough to read such a word and then reproduce it in a fitting context

but he wouldnt know how to pronounce it

smart ogryn

[autumn ferry]

bodyguard is really smart for an ogryn

probably more than he lets on

[mystic oak]

The galaxy cant handle a smart ogryn

he'd be unstoppable

[surreal rune]

all of the ogryns seem really really smart

even the bully

[willow rain]

Is he a bully because he's smart or is he smart because he's a bully

[surreal rune]

he is a bully because hes smart

[willow rain]

[spark helm]

The execution for the weapon being a hard stop for folks is totally understandable. It's not exactly intuitive prior to experience and knowledge and also requires a mandatory blessing for its potential to be wholly maintained up to the highest difficulties.

However, I'd say that that aspect of execution can be satisfying for players that like having to consciously weave into their core gameplay to reap the benefits. There's a learning curve to it to bring out the best it can produce. Whether it's horde or single target, it's exceptionally reliable and flexible. Beyond a mandatory blessing and narrow but effective combinations of that and perk combos, it's extremely rewarding for people willing to take that step to understand it.

I will say that relic blade though is a more fluid experience coinciding a powerful weapon choice exclusive to zealot. Probably one of the most involved and interactable melee weapons in the game on a smoother display and feedback.

[willow rain]

I'll write that down

[autumn ferry]

bully is decently smart too yeah but bodyguard uses big words properly a lot

brawler is dumb as fuck though and thats why i love him

[surreal rune]

id also antagonize a zealot if they constantly said for my fucking execution and extermination

[mystic oak]

too bad i dont play zealot lol

[autumn ferry]

my favorite interactions in the game are brawler and bully rubbing their single brain cells together to form a thought

[silver patrol]

how is the chainaxe currently

[surreal rune]

its alright

[mystic oak]

i like it, but its single target nature can feel sluggish

[surreal rune]

not great against armor

[silver patrol]

you'd think it would be

[surreal rune]

its very good with martyrdom

[spark helm]

It's more like cruelty is easy to come by and might makes right being a core value within the imperium and the broader 40k universe's narrative conventions. I'd say that bodyguard displays the greatest curiosity and focused scrutiny. Perhaps not as "high" as the non-abhuman classes, but actually curious and expressive enough to defy some ogryn stereotypes and limitations from what i understand. I think bodyguard also expresses enthusiasm over the idea of being given the bone head surgery.

[surreal rune]

the attack speed buffs improve those rev attacks, and the damage helps breakpoints

[silver patrol]

i want an horde mlee that also doesn't suck balls against armor for vet, but the selection isn't all that

[willow rain]

Shovel

[surreal rune]

you would have krak grenades to rely on

[willow rain]

When in doubt, shovel

[mystic oak]

i might try zealot, just for relic blade. Problem is zealot drip aint vet drip

[surreal rune]

it sucks balls only against armor, absolutely shreds everything else

[silver patrol]

shovel more like the neglected child am i right

[spark helm]

Unless you're not satisfied from common meta/endgame capable melee choices, veteran got a pretty wide selection to choose from fr.

[willow rain]

That's me, I don't like ds

[autumn ferry]

yeah bodyguard and bully have an interaction where bodyguard says he wants a bonehead and bully says he doesnt

[silver patrol]

not really for horde weapons with good antiarmor

and i'm excluding power sword because i hate it

[willow rain]

When does veteran get a greatsword

[surreal rune]

ive seen bully describe things in such a way that may be dread

[willow rain]

That's the real question

[surreal rune]

for himself or his squad

[silver patrol]

he should get a cavalry spear

as in, power spear

[willow rain]

Power axe

Zealot power axe when

[autumn ferry]

bully hints at his past a little bit where it sounds like hes been betrayed by people a lot or something along those lines, hes a softie sometimes too

he just pushes people away

[mystic oak]

Ok, why wasnt i told zealot had vet drip

[silver patrol]

how

[spark helm]

Tactical axes can put in the work I'd say, especially between hordes and sneaking in single target kills. Duelling sword has a horde clear output I personally find agreeable but it's definitely not as loud at all compared to other options that can tackle hordes more reliably. Power falchion works very well in my experience but I haven't felt the limits of it yet at my current havoc level so I'm reserving my fuller thoughts for that after I spend enough time playing high/40 havoc. I remember people talking about the buffs to assault chainsword being nice but idr if that holds up for veteran compared to zealot.

Hm...guess I gotta agree with you there on the variety tip after all that.

[silver patrol]

and combat axe too right?

tho it makes you so damn slow

[surreal rune]

power falchion has a much longer powered mode than the relic blade, but i think both should have the principle applied that

one should deactivate the mode when you dont need it

[spark helm]

Ah yeah, ye olde rashad. I personally think it works really well and think of it as my choice for what folding shovels would be. That's an example where your horde clear is gonna be pretty reliant on push attacks being weaved in as necessary for combos. Can't speak for havoc at the higher/highest levels though. It's not the only metric that matters imo, but I do take that into consideration in terms of stretch for a weapon's potential.

[surreal rune]

while in combat with heatsink or cranial grounding at full, which is common, the cool off within the unpowered mode is greatly faster

thus, one should learn the discipline of turning it off whenever they may

[spark helm]

I might start playing with energy leakage because my relic blade habits got me hardly making more use of burning out my meter to make heatsink more noticeable to me now that I actually know how it works.

[surreal rune]

i still would think wrath, cranial is the usual option but hm

ive yet to try energy leakage

[spark helm]

Originally, I thought it meant that build-up of heat meter was made more efficient based on killstreak momentum to maximize things.

Maybe I'll experiment with a heat rate stat dump just to force heatsink into my mind lol.

[surreal rune]

i think that may work

[spark helm]

It might be a better fit for me due to personal habits with the weapon. I like wrath, but given some aspects of P. Falchion that can be a pain upon tempo mistakes for me where relevant. That extra strength boost can make it more attractive to me as a mainstay blessing.

If I'm playing just fine during a session, locked in and having my fun, I really do like the weapon. Haven't tried the other mark for it yet though.

[surreal rune]

on the relic blace

blade

energy leakage scales on 4% strength for each stack

up to 5 stacks, thus 20% max

[surreal rune]

which mark do you use?

[spark helm]

Mk1 or whatever it is. I like the look of it more.

[surreal rune]

that is...

[spark helm]

And it's already familiar.

[surreal rune]

light strikedown, uppercut heavy?

[spark helm]

The one the game pushes on to the player by default. Shares the same moveset as...force greatsword iirc?

That or mkx relic blade idr.

[surreal rune]

ah

m

ive only used the other mark

my habits from the mk2 relic blade carry over well

[spark helm]

The one that has the black finish with the blue vent trim. Not the other one that looks more prestine.

Whatever that one is. Currently just not looking it up. 😅

"Aridin MK I Power Falchion" is the one. I haven't used the other one yet.

[surreal rune]

ah

m yes, that is the one i use

with heat on mind, i dont like the feeing of committing to long single target combos

i feel it helps against everything but crushers

but, then i have krak grenades

[compact oracle]

gotta have something on hand for when you run out

[spark helm]

I can't remember the forum thread FS posted when they originally released the weapon so idk the move list and combos they recommended (and if they hold up after playerbase scrutiny to whatever ends) for that mark I don't use.

[compact oracle]

there are combos in the google doc thats pinned, i think

[spark helm]

I just like the P. Falchion any day and it's not a total wash to pick it up for the difficulties I play in the most so I run it. I usually hang in auric. Low havoc is just where I'm at as I keep finding games and climbing so I haven't felt any harder limits yet like I said mentioned previously.

[compact oracle]

oh, damnit, its not updated for falchion

i liked the idea of a more mobile power sword (because sometimes i get tired of having shit mobility) but i just dont vibe with either moveset

[spark helm]

That's fine. I like them because of the versatility and I suppose the years of playing vt2 into darktide and vice versa has had me gravitate pretty easily towards melee weapons with more robust combo routes, even before optimal methods are applied.

[compact oracle]

that'd be it

[surreal rune]

m

[compact oracle]

wasn't a big fan of saltzpyre's hammer or elf spear and such

[surreal rune]

ive devised a power falchion build, energy leakage and decaptitator

[spark helm]

I still love my most favored class of weapons being high mobility, high weakspot damage archetypes between both games and they're often much simpler but weapons like halberd in vt2 with kruber, spear for kerillian, crusher and relic blade for zealot, and P. Falch for vet are very attractive.

[compact oracle]

rapier was always my favorite saltz weapon for those criteria

but its moveset is braindead

you need to be doing something wrong to not know it

[surreal rune]

controlling a situation with a weapon with such weak light attacks was difficult

i guess that would be its weakness

[spark helm]

To this day, I love halberd in vt2. I haven't played in maybe...several months now iirc but assuming it's still where it's at in its output for cataclysm and its variations from deed/winds of magic modifiers or chaos wastes, I'm basically soulbound to it atp. It's not even my "prime" favorite, it's just so fun for me to okay with a tool that rewards my discipline with it while also actually being a potent choice.

Style and substance? Delicious, thank you~ 🫀

[surreal rune]

so one sometimes takes flense but also uses push attacks often

[compact oracle]

whc's instant kill on headshot crits helped extremely with that

[spark helm]

||I also got hard bias towards polearms||

😄

[compact oracle]

(and if you're being really lazy... you can just lightspam a stormvermin and eventually kill it)

[spark helm]

Amongst other weapon archetypes.

[surreal rune]

ah, darktide. the weapon lacking in polearms

[compact oracle]

nah polearms are awesome

[surreal rune]

i count two in the whole game?

[compact oracle]

and its criminal that we don't have any yet

[surreal rune]

crusher, pickaxe

[compact oracle]

i guesss pickaxe counts

i dont know

[spark helm]

Closest approximations.

[compact oracle]

but a proper spear or halberd or glaive, still nada

[surreal rune]

polearms may be any type of pole weapon

a crusher is a polemace, the pickaxe is a polepick

[surreal rune]

agh

[compact oracle]

i would say pickaxe being a polearm is more because ogryn's pickaxes are fucking enormous more than pickaxes would usually qualify

[surreal rune]

it does put me disheartened

[spark helm]

I'm not that deep of a weapons pervert and I never formally trained in weapon arts enough for any kind of practicality but yeah, I'd genuinely consider crusher and pickaxe to fit that category.

[compact oracle]

please, just an axe attached to a longer handle

id even take that

[surreal rune]

a two handed chainaxe for the players has been in the files since launch

[autumn ferry]

pickaxe isnt that different from like, a polearm with a stabby bit on it so yeah id say it counts

[compact oracle]

give me a blaze force spear, because psyker obviously does not have enough finesse damage

ill give it to ogryn pickaxes but no other pickaxes in fiction

[spark helm]

And in crusher and pickaxes' case, they got that robust move set I've talked about before so it's a great fit. And they're both also just solid weapons so I just keep getting fed my jams.

Crusher push attacks feel so cool.

[compact oracle]

karsolas feels great

[surreal rune]

it is like

[compact oracle]

so does branx

even though its slow as hell

[surreal rune]

sienna's mace?

polemace

[autumn ferry]

karsolas my beloved

[spark helm]

Idk. Sienna is my least played character and I've hardly invested in her melee options beyond dagger, flame sword, morning star and I think that's it.

[surreal rune]

the crusher's moveset is almost exactly like sienna's polemace in feel

many of the same attacks

[spark helm]

Neat.

Which subclasses can access it and in what ways has your experience got you to noticed the usefulness of it?

Cataclysm need not apply either.

[compact oracle]

all of em i believe

i dont think it has particularly good crit rate so, unchained is always there if you want to do more with your melee

[spark helm]

I got a weird relationship with unchained.

[surreal rune]

melee focused necromancer, also unchained

[compact oracle]

its a slightly odd class, with some pretty bad talents still

[surreal rune]

iirc

[compact oracle]

eahh

no, not that bad, i was wrong

its just that it has one or two that feel like must-takes, which i never really like

[spark helm]

Everything about unchained to me feels better on psyker through darktide's way of adapting it.

I really fuck with its flavor the same way I like all of the third subclasses flavor-wise (eh I'm weird about zealot too...and slayer).

[compact oracle]

i miss this talent

[spark helm]

I think it's passive pettiness from when I was newer to the game, couldn't keep up with people and would get jealous of output from people playing those classes save unchained. Usually battle wizards put up the wild numbers.

[compact oracle]

when i play darktide

of course, peril is WAY easier to manage in DT

[spark helm]

Absolutely

[compact oracle]

than overheat

the main thing i miss about sienna is one thing

the flail

[spark helm]

Like completely a different world of execution. There's so many grace periods and the fact that as long as you don't cast at 100% without other talents playing into things, including a guaranteed vent purge abilities and any peril quell on killstreak talents it's a totally smooth much more powerful expression of Sienna imo.

Comparatively at least if omitting the realities of vt2 and dt's scale of difficulty and punishment.

I like peril based damage builds, especially through right tree psyker templates by preference so I just get all the sauce I wanted with unchained Sienna at a much less subdued expression by narrow comparison.

But sometimes I just want to play unchained with a flame sword and rip something open with pyromantic battle mage berserker antics.

[compact oracle]

peril quelling costing you nothing but time (as oppposed to health) helps too

[spark helm]

Huge

[compact oracle]

not even time, if you have vent/any autoquell perks

i deeply miss flame sword and flail

blazing spirit doesn't hit the same

i want everything in front of me on fire (without purgatus)

[spark helm]

Mhm, that too. There's many doors that psyker can take. It's genuinely the most dynamic and internally varied class in the game to make builds for.

I don't have a hierarchy of preference fr but I will say that psyker is always calling to me to be first place for beloved. It breaks free from being tied with vet and zealot for "1st" place.

I love the immersion of critical/high peril play during AI director crucibles. The sounds come together wonderfully to give that fell of constantly being at that point of failure that it makes playing extremely risky so much more satisfying.

[red portal]

Psyker and sienna discussion in my veteran chat??

Anyways what's good

[compact oracle]

oh shit

i mean i love voice of command

and uh.

shredder autopistol

i never expected psyker to become my main

[spark helm]

Yeah, I love shredder autopistol with psyker too.

[compact oracle]

i didnt enjoy it because it felt squishy, but it kind of... isnt, played right

listen, true aim shredder autopistol with scriers?

genuinely good boss damage

[red portal]

Psyker is only squishy if you don't know how to dodge.

[compact oracle]

pretty much

and thats how i survive better as psyker than literally any other class

[spark helm]

Change is the way of things, you see...

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-monster-rotfl-gif-14520250

[compact oracle]

i love change

i would love to change my ways all over the place

[red portal]

You have near complete gunner immunity, the only thing that can fuck you up is fire and pox gas, pox gas is mostly mitigated by quietude JAD or bubble.

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-oh-yeah-hehehe-smirk-evil-grin-gif-25426773

[compact oracle]

simply pop scriers and sprint through it

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/future-sensational-gif-22515704

[compact oracle]

i need to be able to cover myself in soulblaze, that should make me immune to regular fire

[red portal]

Eh SG is strong but I don't like running it on staffs.

[compact oracle]

thats how psyker powers work i think

ueah if i take a staff its usually with bubble

but apparently EK scriers is good, iunno

[red portal]

Bring back battle wizard dash...

[compact oracle]

i do miss free movement abilities

[spark helm]

It can be odd but I like it. Still prefer bullets, blades, blunts and lasers with psyker bullshit baked in.

It's just cool. Simple as.

For me at least.

[compact oracle]

i would love some more force weapons

get weirder with it, fatshark

[spark helm]

I've been assailing dudes using prescience to disrupt destinies to transition in and out of my scrier's gaze ever since it became a thing. I already liked psyker a lot for the same reasons I like Sienna but to a degree I wasn't ready for.

So when they originally implemented the talent tree system, I was cooked when it came to psyker. As it got stronger, less used setups became more viable so it was just a win-win-win-win-win for me.

[compact oracle]

it already was super strong before it got reworked again

[spark helm]

I take scrier's gaze, I take warp speed, I take max stamina curios with sprint efficiency, stamina regeneration and ability cooldown reduction. I play with high mobility and finesse weapons with 80% mobility.

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-fight-jjk-fighting-gojo-gif-12123678041941552660

Toughness and health are suggestions. Speed is all.

[red portal]

Don't need them if you don't get hit

[spark helm]

Speed. Is. All.

https://tenor.com/view/flash-run-fast-gif-26117164

[spark helm]

It's silly too to triple down with that because psyker gets to play with talents like empathic evasion too. Silly shit.

[compact oracle]

i guess technically if you have dueling sword stamina helps with parrying

but you probably dont need 9

[spark helm]

You'll pop like an overcooked sausage if you get touched enough so more practical curio spreads still sliding in mobility-friendly perks is always nice.

[compact oracle]

2 tgh 1 stam is what i always run except for FGS

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/limmy-double-down-gods-judgement-falconhoof-limmys-show-gif-21967942

[compact oracle]

actually with warp ghost you might not even need that

trye

trve

[spark helm]

Redundant? Yes. Unnecessary? Completely. Impractical? I agree. Able to be made more optimal? Of course.

Fun? Extremely so.

All I need.

Dying is hilarious too when it happens.

In my experience, I get like, maybe four critical mistakes and I'm downed/incapacitated.

Can't downed if I just barely/never get hit.

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-9403556598434283568

[compact oracle]

to be fair, four critical mistakes are enough even if you have regular curios

depends on the mistake i guess

is getting trapper'd into a pool of fire and tox flamer a single mistake or three

[spark helm]

And psyker also has damage reduction talents of extreme significance these days too so variations of those builds i like the most can usually squeeze them in.

[compact oracle]

i would like to use Just a Dream but i think i am have skill issue

[spark helm]

Again, win-win-win-win-win. :^)

[red portal]

I've noticed with quietude JAD you take 5 damage from the full mutant slam combo

If nothing else is hitting you

With SG you take 0

[spark helm]

Just go nuts and do stuff. Playing psyker really does just mean you get to hang with powerful builds with a unique diversity of possibilities within that and outside of it.

The swag is waiting for you.

Always.

[red portal]

With only 2 hits and any additional source of tdr you can take 0

[spark helm]

You just need to take those final steps. Embrace and face change and thrive within through all its shifting tides and folding realities.

Does the feather not flow with the push and pull of the winds before being swallowed by the earth? Or ashened by flames? Drowned in seas? And even then, change persists. Eternal and beautiful and blue and pink and purple and red andandandand.

Err

:^)

You should lose your mind and play speed right tree pysker.

[red portal]

Mettle DD warp speed is overkill imo

But you should totally do it and move tech with knife on top of it

[compact oracle]

sprinting around hunting down blue enemies with scriers and a big fucking sword is addictive

[spark helm]

To some, perhaps.

:^)

[red portal]

Market do you know how to properly move tech?

[compact oracle]

i dont know ANY movetechs in this game

i only know a few from VT

[red portal]

The main ones are using dueling sword and knife

Knife has 2 move techs but the most used one is heavy2 lunge holding

So you ready up heavy 2 and you spam the key to swap to primary

[spark helm]

I just run and slide. If I use added speed from holding a melee heavy for combat blades, tactical axes and duelling sword, it's situational for me during s fight. When I'm just point with everything, I just go. I only think within the next like three possible dodges.

I'm just doing everything fast on purpose, even aiming.

Just for the thrill

Iz fun

And since I'm also doing high peril, the immersion is nuts.

[red portal]

Dueling sword movement tech involves heavy releasing just before a slide to carry the momentum of the lunge into the slide.

[red portal]

I am terrible at the timing off it though so I don't do it.

[spark helm]

Didn't know about that one so I'll try it out eventually. Neat. I might have been leveraging that every now and again without consciously realizing it fr because that speed psyker triple down shit makes that matter so much by the time auric was on the menu for me.

[compact oracle]

you're always holding heavy just to poke things

[surreal rune]

slide dodge off of any ledge for a huge movement boost

uh

[compact oracle]

oh yeah, ive been doing that with dueling sword

i dodge slide backwards/sideways off of surfaces

with IJ and the stim buff from the event

i go fucking flying

[red portal]

Dueling sword mk5 has a movement tech on it's light 1 and 2

[spark helm]

I sneak in light combos for scrier stacks. If I take whatever that bone talent is, I just exploit that.

[red portal]

So you space them out and you get huge speed.

[spark helm]

It's like extra cleave or something based off of peril

[spark helm]

I can see it yeah.

Does it carry through infiltrate and shroudfield?

[compact oracle]

warp splitting

for cleave

[red portal]

As long as you don't hit an enemy yeah

[spark helm]

Interesting

[red portal]

These are the movement techs I know off.

There are probably more but I'm not autistic enough about everything involving darktide yet

[compact oracle]

sprinting and just generally being faster in DT than VT makes them matter a little less i think

if im playing WP you know im spamming that book until i reach the blightstormer on the other side of the map

[surreal rune]

does unfaltering on zealot add any movement techs?

by its description, it says that it removes the movement debuffs on heavy attacks

[spark helm]

Don't even really need to have a diagnosis. Fatshark games genuinely have a lot of sauce to pick up on fr.

[hoary valley]

best melee weapon for a krak focus build ? I have the recon lasgun as ranged

[compact oracle]

power sword is just always good

fantastic horde clear

IF you can tolerate its shit dodges and mobility

[red portal]

No idea.

[compact oracle]

unfaltering is so awesome, ive wanted it for zealot ever since i saw its equivalent on ogryn

except the issue is that im still not happy because i also need it for psyker

[surreal rune]

psyker also has a shitload of speed boosts

[compact oracle]

it does, but getting the "no slowdown on heavy" mortis boon has made me so much greedier

[surreal rune]

you would think that a greatsword with "force assisted movement" would have less speed debuffs

[compact oracle]

its honestly more mobile than i expected already, but i still want more

[surreal rune]

too greedy

more speed

take mettle and scrier's speed node for

[compact oracle]

oh mettle is mandatory

[surreal rune]

more speed

[compact oracle]

DD's +20%, warp speed, mettle, hnhngnh

[surreal rune]

you could even take sprint efficiency on curio

[fresh spire]

what's the event buff today

[hollow ibex]

prob ammo

since destroy won yesterday

[lilac meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/idfk-gif-3761179052566277881

[hollow ibex]

easiest penance ever now

with how goated MMF is

[royal hollow]

Perks n blessings for braced autogun? And which mark should i use

[tropic notch]

Not really

Knife is still better

[hollow ibex]

flakiac + deathspitter/fire f renzy

agri's the best rn

though graia's ok

(braced in general is not great though)

[crisp oak]

thought on how much worse the horde clear of the mk7 tac-axe is witrhout bromentum

trying to use agile like a degenerate

[tropic notch]

It’s not worth

[fresh spire]

is +25% ammo needed on higher havoc levels? I don't seem to ever need it in h30, wondering how the economy is on higher diff?

for plasma wep specialist vet

[tropic notch]

Even on Arby when I drop bm I don’t take agile

[crisp oak]

figured

[tropic notch]

I don’t take it

[fresh spire]

yeh cuz more damage = more 1 shots = less ammo right

[crisp oak]

was going to use it as a panic button to have infinite iframes in mauler/crusher horde

[tropic notch]

It’s good tho

[tropic notch]

What are you using plasma for

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a00a382e-05b3-4642-98b3-106184bcd08e/vet-db-knife?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

I should do this in havoc

@tall torrent what breakpoints will I miss if I take of flak on mk knife?

Was gonna slap on Cara

[fresh spire]

does lethal proximity (+radius from bolt pistol) even work on kraks

i can't tell the differenece

[hollow ibex]

yeah but not super helpful

25% of a small radius is still a small radius

[fresh spire]

so it's more of a shredder thing yes

but the shredders already have huge ass aoe lol

[crisp oak]

yeah and it becomes galactic with lethal prox

[cosmic sundial]

What perks and blessings should I put on the power falchion?

[tepid otter]

Got Cranial + Leakage on mine with Cara & Unyielding

Someones prolly got better options tho kekw

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that’s a good combo

I’ve experimented with cranial and wrath

I’m not a fan of heatsink

Which is probably the third option for the second slot

[tropic notch]

Cranial wrath

Flak unyielding

[cosmic sundial]

Ok thanks @tropic notch

[tropic notch]

[red robin]

Ain’t like, the damage falloff crazy on krak? Like centre is truth nuke, while further the goes radius away from centre makes the dmg become like nothing?

Epicentre is the term I fink

[hollow ibex]

yea not sure the exact mechanics on it

but it's just not super helpful

[red robin]

I mean, it increases the epicentre dmg radius by a decent bit to aoe packed up carapace

Referencing from kuli steam guide, the epicentre is 1.5m, further radius being 5m

Increased by 25% is around 1.8m I think

But idk if the epicentre increases from it, it might still just be a hotspot of 1.5 with the greater radius being increased

[crisp oak]

the epicenter is enough to delete crusher packs if some arbites doesnt decide to spread them out

(I've kiled like 10 crushers with a single krak)

[heavy rover]

Personally I run wrath and energy leakage with maniac and carapace

[vestal olive]

25% ammo is so doodoo farts on plasma

because its actually +12.5% ammo

[hearty apex]

Good evening, fellas

Why is the Hellbore Lasgun so ass

I just wanna larp as a kriegsman why does this build have to suck so bad

[narrow frost]

Well, is it a bad build or are you unable to use it well. Helbore is one of the harder weapons to use, it's delay in shooting, it needing headshots, slow swap speed

And using "this" without context isn't very constructive

[crisp oak]

its better now than it was

also bring back bromentum bayonet

[surreal rune]

the ammo talent takes the ammo gained from survivalist to 2 instead of 1

on plasma

[hearty apex]

this

I miss playing arbites already

[crisp oak]

skill issue

[formal ice]

Open the game

Play it

[crisp oak]

anyway which mark are using?

[hearty apex]

https://tenor.com/view/pernalonga-meme-pernalonga-no-no-não-nao-gif-27211143

[crisp oak]

because the medium one was the best for me

mk3 I think now

[blazing jetty]

nyet nyet angel man, I am not Horus, am Boris!

[hollow ibex]

my deci uptime on shovel lol...

[fresh spire]

mkvII vs mk3 shovel?

[hollow ibex]

3's better

[fresh spire]

aight

[orchid hemlock]

Give Arbi shovel and my life is yours Fatshark

[crisp oak]

give arby thunder hammwe

[hearty apex]

MK3a

[crisp oak]

yeah it should kill most things in 1-2 shots

if charged

and never need to reload

[hearty apex]

Yeah but I miss my autogun going BRRRRRRRRRRRR

[crisp oak]

skill issue

[vestal olive]

Give Ogryn a fist of dueling swords

held between the fingers

[hearty apex]

Give Ogryn powerfists

[vestal olive]

Would be too weak

[crisp oak]

anyway krieg grenadiers used shotguns

[hearty apex]

Don't tell me I gotta level the fckin combat shotgun now

[crisp oak]

I mean the shotguns are pretty good

[hollow ibex]

yeah all the shotguns are very strong

[hearty apex]

I do like my arby shotgun..................

[hybrid plover]

it's pretty helpful in rotten armor, ngl

the extra radius does start to matter when you get literal blobs of carapace

[hollow ibex]

idk how you'd meaningfully test this

but i would think the kill radius is tiny either way

[hybrid plover]

i haven't exactly "tested" it

but i have brought it into havocs before

the difference is genuinely noticeable

[fresh spire]

build for braced autogun? feel like i should go keystoneless?

[hybrid plover]

especially if you try to catch the groups in chokepoints and doorways

i've gotten like

i think 7 crushers at one point when i threw one on a bonbon and the radius scraped them

[fresh spire]

i've tried testing the exact range in psykanium and it genuinely doesn't seem to change

like if there's a single milimeter between crushers it still won't kill

[hybrid plover]

dont get me wrong, it's still a really small radius

but when you have so much carapace in one space, that extra radius counts

i wouldn't recommend it otherwise in that regard but lethal prox kraks have actually put in work in rotten for me

aand since it does also increase the outer radius, they also kill a lot more trash around them

[hearty apex]

What's a good talent tree for shotguns

[hybrid plover]

weapon specialist for double barrel

[hearty apex]

Nah combat shotgun

[hybrid plover]

honestly you can kinda make the combat shotguns work with any setup on vet rn

[hollow ibex]

if you want to go full meme

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0342c69-6063-4e10-96a9-66e8ce22ecb2/railgun-sniper

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1431856953994252339/5F22521.MP4?ex=6908d374&is=690781f4&hm=57ce2c795d0069588e48c6f012f15aa3d866bab65a6acd276aa36052ea7f02cd&

[hearty apex]

Would this be viable with the power falchion as well?

[tepid otter]

Dat dmg holy shit

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[faint beacon]

Power Falchion is okayish in general so it’s pretty ranged dependent

[hollow ibex]

power falch is usable on ranged focused builds

[faint beacon]

I know Shotguns and Boltgun are a yes, Vigilants are good cause both want Rending Strikes

[hollow ibex]

because you don't need the weapon on all the time

[faint beacon]

Vigil + PF is good for true hybrid also

Obviously Taxe is better but like I think that leans more into melee atp

[crisp oak]

currentrly running aa gun vet

I can still kill crushers

with my columnus

shame I need rending strikes

[faint beacon]

Agri IX PF feels insane when you’re pairing it with RS cause it both causes their ADMs to jump significantly

[hollow ibex]

imagine

[faint beacon]

Only issue I notice is the tug of war with ammo

[hollow ibex]

if chink in the armor actually fucking worked

[faint beacon]

On the Agri

Why I’ve been playing Column more

[hollow ibex]

agri? more like assgri

[hybrid plover]

has anyone been noticing that grenade throws just arent

like

registering?

[hearty apex]

Nvm

The combat shotgun is fantastic

[hybrid plover]

combat shotguns have always been pretty good tbh

[faint beacon]

Ever since Arby update yeah

They’ve been insane

[hearty apex]

I can literally just magdump and faceroll everything

[orchid hemlock]

Agri more like

Greereer

[silent field]

Not sure about this take. I played lots of shottie in the early release and they were pretty mid. They've gotten much better the last year.

[crisp oak]

kantrael infinite cleave fire was good

[hybrid plover]

the major issue with them has always been ammo economy but they were never really bad

now that's fixed so they're in a much better place now

other than accatran when the cleave bug was fixed

[hollow ibex]

agri was usable

but not great

the rest were pretty rash

[hybrid plover]

idk agri always felt pretty good to me

i just hated the ammo count

and zarona i guess was mid other than for bosses

[pulsar zephyr]

When it comes to the special ammo of the combat shotgun, what is the ammo ability even?

Feels like, a rubber bullet

Is it just for stunning?

[tawny timber]

which one

are you talking about the slug?

[pulsar zephyr]

I think yeah

[tawny timber]

it's a high damage shot that is most effective with weakspot hits

[pulsar zephyr]

Single shot slug thing

[tawny timber]

try aiming for the head

[hollow ibex]

yeah aim for the head

[hybrid plover]

also

[hollow ibex]

it's basically the primary fire on steroids

[hybrid plover]

the slugs open up bulwarks

[hollow ibex]

and will also knock bulwark shields open

and stagger crushers

very useful

[hybrid plover]

might try my full bore fletchette agri in havoc again...

[shy parcel]

Full bore no respite

[hollow ibex]

no respite manstopper

[hybrid plover]

i love those nurgle blessed maelstroms

where for some reason

nurgle decided to be funny and make pretty much every trapper that whole run green

[hybrid plover]

also i am trying this

[hollow ibex]

very funny with deadshot

[hybrid plover]

im going ws so

[hollow ibex]

works well with WS too

though for WS i still prefer DB

[marsh shard]

Hey, its been a few months since I last played and I missed the big balance patch.

What did the changes do for Vet? And zealot

[versed mural]

Vet is dramatically better now. I’m sure others can explain the mechanical changes in more detail but generally it’s much less delicate to play now, it’s more capable in melee and less of a glass cannon. That’s just my impression as a pretty average player, that said

[marsh shard]

Vet still get awesome ammo economy?

[versed mural]

Krak grenades are more usable now that you can, by default, carry a third one.

[versed mural]

Yes, most definitely.

[blazing jetty]

Bunch of talents got rearranged so you can reach a lot of the good ones more easily

[marsh shard]

Oh wow

[blazing jetty]

Some of them got merged

Like grenadier and twinned blast

[marsh shard]

Is shout still busted?

[blazing jetty]

And executioner's stance gives you toughness regen

[marsh shard]

Idk if they changed voc

[blazing jetty]

Shout is still good, but it was nerfed slightly I think

[hollow ibex]

yeah it was nerfed

still very strong

it's just that ES is a legit competitor to voc now

infil is still in meme territory sadly

[versed mural]

It was tuned down very slightly, but generally yes. The duration of the gold toughness was reduced from 15 to 10 seconds, but I honestly don’t even notice

I can’t speak personally having not used ES, but I actually see people using it fairly frequently

[marsh shard]

Yeah holy shit

I got all the chars (but ogryn) to 30 so am looking at the trees now

Played some Arbites and it still feels great

[blazing jetty]

The ogryn/boss highlighting modifier for ES now also extends the effect duration to 8 seconds, making it a much more compelling alternative to the one that highlights basic ranged enemies

Vet now also has a mag size boosting talent just like the arbitrator's

As a bolter user, this update pleases me

[marsh shard]

So for the humans....

Vet - Emphasis on Gunplay
Zealot - Emphasis on Melee
Psyker - Space Magic
Arbites - All rounder, and can get a dog

Would this be a good tldr for a new player?

[plush yoke]

Guns are my jam. Think I’ll try vet first

[mortal aspen]

please don't tell people vet is gunplay focused

[marsh shard]

Ye I didnt say that

[mortal aspen]

or esle they think you never need to pull out melee

[fair shale]

Nah, cause it gives the impression they should be primarily shooting on vet which is a trap a lot of new players fall into

[marsh shard]

I told them that at its heart tide games are melee games

And thay resources were limited

[fair shale]

Id reemphasize that for vet

[marsh shard]

But vet has ways to bypass those resource limitations which allows them to use guns more than the others

[plush yoke]

Well yeah, I’m sure the wide array of bonk sticks and stabbers aren’t there for show

[marsh shard]

I know that was true before the balance update, but idk if it still is

Def tried to emphasize to them that this isnt call of duty nazi zombies

And regardless of class theyd be meleeing

[plush yoke]

But I like big booms, I cannot lie

[marsh shard]

Idk how to summarize the classes tho

[mortal aspen]

i mean, if you mention that you still need melee then that's a decent summary

[hybrid plover]

Okay. Actually, there is one thing about this that's off.

Vet's more of a glass cannon now than before patch.

But there's a lot of cannon

[versed mural]

By all means-like I said, I’m a pretty average player, so I’d love to hear your take

[marsh shard]

See, thats something I was curious about

How glass cannony are vets?

[hybrid plover]

Vet has some of the best toughness retention in the game, but no pure damage reduction available unlike every other class.

Lower base health, somewhat worse stamina economy. But their offensive potential is crazy good.

[fair shale]

Tbh I think they're probably the most glass cannon class in game rn

[versed mural]

Every class is some amount of hybrid, but I’d say Vet is definitely the place to go if you like guns. Melee is a huge part of the game, for sure, but you have flexibility on how much you want to engage with it

[mortal aspen]

when you have shout up - you're tanky, when you have above 75% toughness - you're ok, when you drop below that you are horizontal

[hybrid plover]

A lot of why vet seems so tanky is because of their toughness but when that's out of the way or something hits you that just doesn't care about toughness, vet is the class that's gonna have the hardest time purely by stats.

[versed mural]

I can see that.

[hybrid plover]

Thing is, vet is so strong that a good one can just avoid that from happening by sheer killing power.

[hollow ibex]

(and yet still has less killing power than psykers )

[mortal aspen]

I think they could buff Vet hp

[plush yoke]

Best defense is a good offense?

[mortal aspen]

psyker can be the frail one

[hybrid plover]

"frail"

[hollow ibex]

that's what it's supposed to be at least...

[versed mural]

Psyker is insane right now

[mortal aspen]

yeah...

[hybrid plover]

JaD is crazy work

[hybrid plover]

Pretty much

[hollow ibex]

oh yes 25% dr just for existing

[plush yoke]

Having a permanent Wi-Fi connection to the Warp will do that

[hybrid plover]

Can't forget Immaterial Focus

10% DR just

There.

And stun immunity that in a lot of cases is just

there

[hollow ibex]

yeah though i don't think that's as big of a deal as JAD

[hybrid plover]

Yes. But consider.

You can have both of them.

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[tame cliff]

Ahhh Destiny 2 strats. "Just kill it before it hurts anyone forehead"

[orchid hemlock]

Hey we aren't gambling addicts here

[versed mural]

Not after the crafting update 😅😅😅

[marsh shard]

I'm curious, buddy asked if theres anything like a sniper rifle in this game.

What would yall suggest?

[versed mural]

The Revolver or Bolter

[mortal aspen]

helbore

[versed mural]

That too

[marsh shard]

How is the hellbore? Heard it got buffed

[versed mural]

Having not used it myself I can’t comment personally, from what I understand it’s challenging to use because of the charge time, but powerful if used well

[slow sky]

Arguably the best gun for a ranged heavy build in harder difficulties

[marsh shard]

I assume because it hits 1hko thresholds while also having vet las-weapon ammo economy?

[slow sky]

Yes

Very ammo friendly, very high damage

With good adms against everything

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's very good, though not everyone's cup of tea

[slow sky]

The problem is that it requires you to aim and think

Which is the deal breaker for most tide players

[marsh shard]

What about the other las weapons? They worth a damn?

[versed mural]

I haven’t used it in forever, does it penetrate carapace well?

[hollow ibex]

las pis and recon las are good

ilas sucks

[marsh shard]

What is recon good for?

[versed mural]

Recon Lasgun is excellent, Headhunter+Burn is a popular blessing combination

[hollow ibex]

helbore deals with carapace well if you build for it

[hollow ibex]

holding down LMB brainlessly

and dying the moment a crusher shows up

[versed mural]

Yeah, it’s not exactly the most engaging weapon to use

[hollow ibex]

HH isn't that good on recon, dumdum + infernus is the meta combo for sweats

[versed mural]

I might have to give it a try now

[marsh shard]

Awesome. So theres variety.

Theres braindead and theres more calculated options available

[versed mural]

Ah, my mistake

[slow sky]

Recon is low skill low return, so its easy to get the most out of, but dont expect magic from it

[hollow ibex]

i mean it's not bad

for how little skill it takes

you don't even really need to aim for heads

[marsh shard]

I didnt want to hype up Vet's ammo economy with las weapons only for him to find out later on its with just 1 gun

[midnight wyvern]

better than

[marsh shard]

But ye, having multiple options is 🤌

[slow sky]

Infantry lasgun suffers from leaning on breakpoints more for the middle ground of targets, of which the game had outpaced the gun with spawns, and also has a wide range of things fighting the player on landing those hits

[hollow ibex]

laspis

unironically

makes a better ilas than ilas

it's kinda fucking sad lol

[versed mural]

Like the revolver being a better DMR than the Vigilant Autogun?

[hollow ibex]

tbf vigils are pretty good now (i still don't like them)

[versed mural]

The sound design kills it for me. I know it’s decent now, and it’s great that it has more ammo than the revolver, but I’d just rather take the revolver if I have to pick

[hollow ibex]

revolver feels good yeah

esp now that you have lock n' load memes

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[versed mural]

Exactly, that’s the perfect way of describing it. It’s just a very satisfying weapon to use

Has anyone played with Shovels very much? It’s a weapon that I want to use for flavor reasons, and it seems like it should be fantastic with all the blessings it gets, but I’ve never gotten much out of it when I’ve used it.

[hollow ibex]

shovels are aight

[fair shale]

Shovel good ime

[hollow ibex]

i don't think they're top tier but 1 and 3 are good

[fair shale]

They're not PS but most things aren't

I find them preferable to a lot of melees vet does have tbh

[versed mural]

It feels almost like a one-handed version of the Zealot’s Crusher, the way it has so much knockdown and stagger

[hollow ibex]

they're much more agile than crusher at least

[versed mural]

They’re interesting weapons. I was messing around with them recently, if I’m not mistaken they’re fairly unique, yes? DT doesn’t have a lot of melee weapons that really specialize in stagger and knockdown if I’m not mistaken

[heavy rover]

Peak. It's my fav weapon and go-to in havoc

[fading grove]

Shovel 1 goated

My fave weapon in the game tied with devil claw 4

[versed mural]

The Crusher is probably my favorite weapon in the game because it’s moveset is so unique and engaging but with the Crusher (confusingly) being buffed recently, it feels like a struggle when you run into carapace. I’ve experimented with different blessings on it but it just never quite gets rid of carapace quickly enough

[fair shale]

Ig, they are pretty safe. I suppose they're unique in that way for vet, only other melee i feel that safe with at all times is the standard shock Maul

[hollow ibex]

crusher anti-crusher dps can be ok

but needs help from ult

and sketchy things like dropping all your stamina

for max damage

[versed mural]

Yeah, exactly, you can make it decent, but i just worry about running into the huge packs of Crushers you get in Auric Mael and Havoc

[hollow ibex]

it's a good time

[versed mural]

What blessings do you take?

[hollow ibex]

i think the usual

slaught / skullcrusher

[versed mural]

Thanks. I’ve been experimenting with various ones to try and figure out what deals with crushers best, is the Strength bonus from Slaught better than Brittleness or Rending?

[tropic notch]

I wonder what would happen if vet had crusher

[hollow ibex]

yeah slaughterer is pretty important

[versed mural]

Thank you

[tropic notch]

I wish it was headtaker

[undone bronze]

Ok so can someone recommend a vet build that "just works?" I have very "good enough" melee-but cant land head shots in the heat of battle. I dont wanna be just a melee vet cuz that is what arbites is for. Im bad a paying attention stacks aswell.

[misty minnow]

If head shot is problem probably want to go for high damage and impact weapons like shotguns or bolt

[formal ice]

Every class mainly uses melee

Because uh

This is a melee game

[undone bronze]

oof

so thats why plasma is the meta

[formal ice]

Because its a sniper rifle

Literally

[versed mural]

What blessings do you suggest on it? I’m about to give it a try

[misty minnow]

That is true as well it may not be as much as vermontide but still 75% of the game involves melee

[hollow ibex]

dumdum + infernus/ghost are prob the best options

[versed mural]

Thank you

[hollow ibex]

dumdum is a must take if it's available

[sonic kayak]

Your face is a good time

[weak venture]

kinky

[sonic kayak]

Only if he consents, otherwise, respectfully

[shrewd karma]

I just got back in the game and I like playing veteran with spearhead gun build but I can't really find a good one or make one myself and seeing if anybody would help

[slow sky]

define boltgun build

like what ability/keystone you using, what mark, and how are you using it

[shrewd karma]

In my opinion the one thing that holds the bolt gun back is it's reload and that's what I went more towards and I really don't know what else to use it's been about a year and a half since I last played

[hybrid plover]

tactical reload or volley adept help

a lot

[slow sky]

volley adept

[shrewd karma]

Ok thanks

[spark helm]

What's the stat spread on your boltgun? Could you provide a screenshot maybe?

[shrewd karma]

It's all 80 except for the 60 and mobility

[spark helm]

Good, good. You're already there in that department. How about your perks and blessings?

Veteran can swing different combinations, but for general strong purposes there are a few that are much more sufficient for your needs.

[shrewd karma]

Ok

One second I'll tell you

[spark helm]

Np tyt.

[shrewd karma]

👍

Perks are plus 10 reload plus 10 range damage to elites the blessings are shattering impact and puncture

[hearty spoke]

What's the best gun for "make every shot count"? Does the shotgun work? Or when part of the spread misses does it count against your hit %?

[blazing jetty]

I suggest swapping shattering impact for surgical or pinning fire

[shrewd karma]

Ok

[spark helm]

No shade from me nor flaming at all but you're gonna be better served taking different perks. Something like flak/carapace, unyielding/carapace, maniac/carapace or unyielding can serve you much better. The first can open up more avenues for dropping tougher enemies that have flak vulnerabilities although I'd argue that flak falls off the higher you go as the bolter just does that much damage by itself before additional talent spreads meant to make it better for sniping and magdumping hordes of mixed armored enemies. The second in my opinion works best for players that want to strictly turn the bolter into a carapace elite/monstrocity/boss killer with high levels of efficiency. The third works as well but especially for dropping tougher maniac categorized specialists like the mutant if that's where your desire lands you.

As for blessings, I'd personally use something like shattering impact and pinning fire but surgical can have its uses for playstyle preferences that have you using the ads for the gun more often. As far as other blessing combos I genuinely forgot.

I'm not sure about the potency of calvacade and pinning fire but on paper for veteran for example compared to zealot who bleeds crit chance like a mfker and can use puncture to spin bleed effect bonuses from something the scourge talent which gives increased crit chance on bleeding targets.

Pinning fire is definitely a huge powerful choice, an anchoring blessing by plenty regards.

[shrewd karma]

Ok thanks

[steep flower]

Use tactical reload; problem solved
Ez as pie

[shrewd karma]

Ok

Will do

[steep flower]

Less potent in general in comparrison to shattering & puncture; that combo counters every enemy in the game

[steep flower]

Surgical is always nice but for boltgun it is not due to how it is used - its not a crit weapon to begin with too so cavalcade ain’t that better despite passive 10% crit chance from vet class itself

[sonic kayak]

Shrimpact + Puncture

[hollow ibex]

hey crit bolter is good

[halcyon gazelle]

i switched the plasma for the alcattran lasrifle

having fun

[hollow ibex]

it's the only way you can 2-shot auric crushers with bolter

bolter has good finesse

[steep flower]

It is nice yes but in comparrison to what shattering & puncture provide its worse
Don’t forget; crit is a gamba - consistency wins games

[steep flower]

The brown one?

[halcyon gazelle]

yep

the fast firing one

[hollow ibex]

crit bolter is consistent as fuck

[steep flower]

You mean the slowest

[hollow ibex]

it has the better surgical

[halcyon gazelle]

wuut

well yeah, i assume

[hollow ibex]

shrimpact's just a meme on bolter vet

[halcyon gazelle]

has the highest damage per bullet

[hollow ibex]

only useful for mag dumping crushers

[halcyon gazelle]

thats how mks work

[steep flower]

Ye the slowest firing one

[halcyon gazelle]

are the other ones better?

also carries the most ammo

just got a 490 power purple one from drops and decided to try

its cool

[steep flower]

And thats why its there; so you can counter every enemy (also you usually don’t wanna magdump no more cause crusher hp buffs; just shoot 4 times & get to melee)

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean if you plan on using bolter like a zealot

[steep flower]

Green one is nice too
The blue one tho… is mega doodoo

[halcyon gazelle]

i should invest into the free ammo crits node

[steep flower]

If ilas had no recoil blue one would be nice

But it does have recoil and thus it sucks

[dapper coyote]

The shocktrooper node?

[steep flower]

No other one ever existed

[halcyon gazelle]

yep

[dapper coyote]

Yea you should invest

That shit gives you Sv_infinite_ammo 1

[steep flower]

Its nice but not mandatory

[calm shard]

true

weak talent

should extend to all guns

[dapper coyote]

looks at my bistol having infinite ammo

I agree

I love sefoni's buff on infinite ammo in the mortis trials lmao, just BANG BANG BANG BANG

Chat, whats does the stat finesse do?

[narrow frost]

weakspot and crit damage

[dapper coyote]

Hmm, i see

[grizzled pebble]

Attack speed too on some melee weapon.

[hybrid plover]

That's the finesse stat on weapons.

It's weird that finesse has two meanings in this game

[dapper coyote]

Which one?

Im looking at my knife here and the one in the marksman node

[hybrid plover]

Finesse damage is what dictates weakspot + crit damage.

Finesse stat is a particular weapon stat that also affects those things while also dictating your attack speed.

[dapper coyote]

Ahhhh

-# why the fuck this is so fucking complicated and hard to understand

[teal canyon]

Welcome.

Destructive:
After strike you get 3 stacks of miserable bleak grimness.

[tacit sonnet]

Fatshark are swedish, they can't speak english so all the descriptions and terms are eternally fucked with no hope of ever becoming better

Get used to it

Fatshark themselves still don't know the difference between brittlness and rending

[misty minnow]

Swedish fish

Good candy

[dapper coyote]

All i know is brittleness in game is reduce armor percentages effect for a time and rending is straight up ignore armor percentages

But rending is usually seen as (to outside/non darktide viewer) anti flesh or anti unarmored stuff

[hollow ibex]

it's the same effect

oh nvm

i see you're just talking about how confusing it is lol

[slow sky]

ive learned i cannot let my mic be recorded while playing

[tacit sonnet]

No

[austere mica]

I was waiting for a shriek of pure terror and only got loud mouse

[tacit sonnet]

Completely wrong

[austere mica]

Highly disappointed

[tacit sonnet]

They are the exact same, both reduce attack damage modifier vs typer of armor by a %

but brittleness is an enemy debuff

[dapper coyote]

B r u h

[tacit sonnet]

and rending is a buff for you

[dapper coyote]

Ah

[tacit sonnet]

Or at least that's what I think they should be

[slow sky]

yeah they both do the same thing, just whether its on the player or enemy side

[austere mica]

Much better

[dapper coyote]

That's the one i tried to point out, brittleness is on the enemy

Rending is from you

[tacit sonnet]

Because fatshark doesn't know that

[hollow ibex]

ES revolver is pretty fun

[slow sky]

they increase your ADM by +.%

[tacit sonnet]

They regularly confuse the 2

[slow sky]

if you had 20 rending and 20 brittleness, or 40 rending, or 40 brittleness

the result would be identical for all of them

[tacit sonnet]

My favourite is supercharge blessing that just gives 4 brittleness

What the fuck is 4

[dapper coyote]

Peak wh40k, they even don't know what they wrote a few years ago, its like tech priests trying to understand old tech

[tacit sonnet]

WHAT DOES FOUR MEAN FATSHARK?

[austere mica]

8%

[tacit sonnet]

I know

[austere mica]

Wait its 10

[tacit sonnet]

But why the fuck does it just say 4

[austere mica]

Nvm

[tacit sonnet]

4 what?

apples?

[slow sky]

its 4 stacks of brittleness

[austere mica]

Because brittle is typically handled in 2.5% stacks

[tacit sonnet]

No

It's four

[slow sky]

its missing the +4

the plus at the start

its literally "thunderous but when its powered up"

[tacit sonnet]

many such cases

[slow sky]

it uses the exact same debuff

stacks of brittleness are just the standardized brittleness

2.5% per stack, caps at 16 stacks/40%

[tacit sonnet]

I know what it does, doesn't make it a good description

Or fotf giving you 25

[slow sky]

brutal momentum

they took away the sword
cant have shit in detroit

[tacit sonnet]

25 who knows what but it's 25

[tacit sonnet]

why is it so smushed

W I D E skull

[slow sky]

its a different icon

look where the skull is

and what its missing

ego status: boosted

[misty minnow]

Lol

[vestal olive]

heyyyyy

damn missed yet another "bitch about fatshark not communicating jack shit" therapy session

[dapper coyote]

Chat what blessings is gud for knoif?

[hybrid plover]

usually wanna use uncanny

your choices are riposte, precog, flesh tearer or executor

or mercy killer

flesh tearer and mercy killer working better on builds with serrated

[dapper coyote]

I see

[turbid ibex]

Not anymore

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[midnight wyvern]

mercy killer/uncanny with whatever bleed talent in tree

[marsh shard]

Yo, just read up on the september reworks

Yall feel like the update was good stuff?

Seems like it

[mortal aspen]

vet op

[tame lodge]

🧑‍🚀

[marsh shard]

Psykers tree got a hell of a lot better too

Hell, all the trees are much nicer pathing wise

[heavy rover]

yep. a whole lot more build flexibility for vet, less tax nodes, and updated helbore sights make it so peak

[compact oracle]

zealot finally has more than one path so yes its great

but also vet is way stronger now

[jaunty sphinx]

vet is insane now

[tall torrent]

Way better than before, still has room for improvement

[void dragon]

Crazy to think how Arby used to be broken but now is vet and psyker he ones broken beyond understanding

[jade flower]

Me as an ogryn main just happy to throw rocks at heretics.

[void dragon]

Friendship wins as always

[jade flower]

I like you sah!

[tall torrent]

Just psyker

[compact oracle]

psyker was always broken, now its more so

[void dragon]

Bet you like tossing that box full of grenades bigman, knock yourself over, all the nade refills are yours

[void dragon]

psyker needs to not-NOT be made of glass bones, he is supposed to be the glass cannon aoe damage dealer (at least Nerf purgatus and uncanny strike FFS)

[compact oracle]

infinite cleave be as infinite cleave is

[tall torrent]

Not enough

[void dragon]

Sure, but bare minimum!

[jade flower]

I'll be honest i dont know how psyker works as I've not played one since beta. But playing along side them they seem very strong to the point where being a glass cannon is irrelevant when everything is dead by the time it gets to you

[compact oracle]

yes, yesss leave fgs completely untouched

psykers will now be reworked to have no toughness at all

they just have the THP system from vt2

[jade flower]

I should return to vt2 at some point..

[void dragon]

Remove all psyker rejects and bring the clones of lady Fuegonasus

[tall torrent]

Nah it needs to be better as a sword and less broken with warp slash

[compact oracle]

id accept that

[compact oracle]

is this still part of the bit

[tall torrent]

What bit

[silver patrol]

it's broken with the warp slash?

[compact oracle]

it can clear out rager/gunner groups pretty handily with full charge and DD

[frigid shuttle]

yes, 2 shotting crushers and having obscene horde clear is terrible

well, not obscene, great horde clear

[compact oracle]

of course ive never brought it into high havoc

[void dragon]

I feel that making FGS better without it is a bad move, it performs ok enough to not mess it more, specially when other parts of thr class need more adjustments, like the stupid fire staff that should not melt caparace

[frigid shuttle]

It's not power sword horde clear

I'd trade warp slash for power sword horde clear tbh

that's a good deal

[compact oracle]

i can never let go of warp slash

if power sword horde clear means you have to activate it every 3 strikes like power sword, fuck that

[void dragon]

Warp slash genuinely feels like a good different style

[turbid ibex]

Which one is warp slash?

[compact oracle]

FGS is what i play to escape power sword

[frigid shuttle]

skitarius

[void dragon]

The moon blade slash great sword

[tall torrent]

It’s a sword where half of its mixed horde clear is assail

[compact oracle]

its the one where killing enemies fills up a bar and when you activate special, you can attack to shoot a horizontal beam

[turbid ibex]

Oh the special

I thought it was a blessing or something

[compact oracle]

good, i love swapping between weapons constantly

[compact oracle]

thats warp slice which is unfortunately terrible

[void dragon]

Bleeding warp slashes fill me with determination due the suffering I inflict to my enemies

[tall torrent]

Nah it shouldn’t have power sword’s clear

[silver patrol]

i agree

it should have ogryn's big boom's clear

[tall torrent]

But it really does not perform like a big 2h sword lol

[compact oracle]

its a shame that the unique blessings that play to the weapon's unique abilities suck huge ass

[tall torrent]

Besides the low dodges

[silver patrol]

it doesn't really have low dodges

[compact oracle]

it has slightly better dodges than relic blade

[tall torrent]

Untrue, it’s actually worse

[silver patrol]

it has more dodge counts tho no?

[tall torrent]

Same 3 dodges?

[compact oracle]

alright fuck it im getting on

[tall torrent]

With lower dodge distance

[silver patrol]

i swear it was 4

[tall torrent]

They changed how it’s displayed

[void dragon]

Seriously, to this day I feel ppl has gaslighted me to think Relic blade is good, idk if it is that psyker is better zealot or that power sword is so broken but relic feels quite dodo garbo

[compact oracle]

it isnt for me but ive seen actually good players go on enormous tears with it so i acknowledge that its good

[tall torrent]

Comparative to most other zealot weapons, RB is good

Comparative to the absolute top performers, RB is not

[void dragon]

There is a talent that let you get another dodge, so maybe is that

[silver patrol]

relic blade needs a mark that's just anithorde for M and antiheavy for H so i can just go ungabunga

[compact oracle]

sprinting giving you immediate access to the thrust is peak though

[void dragon]

Mele specialist class where it's melee prowess is garbo, let's make it also bad at shooting!

• MorbidlyobeseShrimp, probably

[tall torrent]

Don’t think it’s garbage

[void dragon]

For not having long ranged combat boosts? I feel that it is

but I might be biased

[tall torrent]

Tbh it’s roughly on the same tier as arb maul?

[void dragon]

With less cc I feel

[compact oracle]

relic?

[tall torrent]

Not as good stagger but better mixed horde dps tbh

[silver patrol]

maul is so goat for cc

[compact oracle]

my fgs vs my relic

[silver patrol]

tho that's just arbites in general with the talents

[void dragon]

Which is how it should be, arby should not be a DPS monster but cc bully

[compact oracle]

relic also has a sprint speed penalty which fgs doesnt

[tame lodge]

Ok now
Put that to their respective class dodge distances

[silver patrol]

you actually look like a chad while sprint with the fgs

[tame lodge]

See if it changes anything

[compact oracle]

son of a bitch

[surreal rune]

stacking all of the bonuses of fury of the faithful, riposte (talent), inexorable judgement, and etc

that is where you achieve the most dps with the relic blade

[compact oracle]

wait, do they even have differing base dodge distances now?

i know ogryn does

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[surreal rune]

you can achieve 100% uptime of fury of the faithful in combat iirc

[tame lodge]

Psyker is 2m

Zealot is 2.5 iirc

[void dragon]

Question, comparable to relic blade, how well is the Falchion performing?

[tame lodge]

Arby's same as psyker
Vet same as zealot

[surreal rune]

inexorable judgement also boosts dodges too

[tame lodge]

Ogryn at 3m

[jaunty sphinx]

badly

[silver patrol]

i don't think i've seen a vet with a falchion yet

[void dragon]

Man, and I already have a bad impression of the relic blade...

[compact oracle]

it is way worse at carapace than relic and especially power sword

[jaunty sphinx]

relic blade is really good

[compact oracle]

goddamnit

its main thing is just being more mobile

[void dragon]

Even among Reddit its shortcomings has been spread for everyones knowledge

[silver patrol]

has it

[jaunty sphinx]

its really disappointing, its the sword I wanted the most for vet

hope it gets love

[silver patrol]

because after it was released, everyone immediately stopped talking about it

which says something, probably