veteran-class

[fair shale]

I agree

But havoc 30+ rot armor crushers is distinctly not fun ime

[red portal]

30-40 is either allright or hell depending on modifiers in rotation

Also why are there only 4 modifiers in rotation it's so boring

[fair shale]

Actually, on this note. Havoc 25-30 isn't hard, but christ the matchmaking is

[red portal]

No variance

[calm shard]

pox gas, blight spreads, stimms, rotten armor SUFFER

[fair shale]

The players you get in 25-30 are such a gamble ime

[fair shale]

Yeah like bro I'm just not playing the game atp

[calm shard]

I do wish they'd prune the more aggressively dogshit modifiers though

Pox Gas, Blight Spreads, and Pus-Hardened skin are just never fun

Moebian 21st is not fun, and also way too easy

[fair shale]

Pox Gas ime is "guess I'll play rebreather arby"

[red portal]

Honestly if someone is havoc clearance 36-39 they are most likely better than the average 40 clearance from experience.

[calm shard]

All modifiers that make it so you can't see are terrible

[fair shale]

I think i agree but not with the wording

They give more of a fuck than a H40

They actually want to win to get to 40

[red portal]

A lot of 40 clearances haven't really been earned.

[fair shale]

H40 ain't gotta worry about derank and can do whatever they want

[red portal]

People on assignment rank 40 usually tend to be decent

[fair shale]

Define earned

[red portal]

But the ones who just have clearance can be no different than a 20 clearance

[red portal]

They went into a lobby that was stacked enough to 3 man a 40.

So they didn't earn it legitimately

[fair shale]

I can't speak on that tbh, I can say I distrust 40 Havoc Exemplars as much as anyone else

And I don't put stake in True Survivors anymore

[red portal]

Titles frame clearance etc is worthless

Hell I've met true survivors struggling in maelstrom

[fair shale]

Gotta install 4 mods to cross reference build with playtime with KDA with the phase of the current moon

[fair shale]

Ive seen TSs die within the first 3 minutes of a mission and quit out on a H27

[calm shard]

my poxbreaker though :(

[red portal]

ASS title has the infamy for a reason.

[fair shale]

Tbf it abbreviates to "ass"

[red portal]

Nah it's capital

ASS

[fair shale]

Just means you play the game a lot tbf

There's mfs hardstuck in heresy with that title, I'm sure

[red portal]

There are people with over 3k hours in this game who does not play above heresy

Poxbreaker means jack

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/shoebill-murder-bird-stare-gif-21134672

[distant mural]

It looks cool tho i want it

Last one left

And auric storm survivor

[fair shale]

I think I'm like 30k kills off poxbreaker

[distant mural]

I still have a lot like 200k

Oh and the one for the skulls

I forgot they exist tbh

[red portal]

I still don't have auric exemplar

[distant mural]

Pure luck im not gonna lie

[unreal nova]

That's harder than ASS to a degree.

[red portal]

It's not difficult I just don't want to die of boredom in base auric.

[distant mural]

I like auric gauntlets

Histg

[narrow widget]

fools errand to think you would ever have fun playing darktide

[red portal]

Ok but dying to bullshit In havoc at least gets the adrenalin pumping

[narrow widget]

base game? honk mimimi
auric? honk mimimi
havoc? cbt

[red portal]

Until you get disconnected at a crucial moment

[distant mural]

I still die in auric im not gonna lie either

Trappers will allways kill me

[unreal nova]

Havoc depends on lvl of it. Pretty sure you'll sleep sub 20.

[distant mural]

And fire

[red portal]

Eh I've died I auric to disablers

It's not like I'm immune to getting dogged or trappered at bad times

[red portal]

A good 30-40% of them is still a skill issue but a lot of them are bs

Trappers shooting you trough walls and silent dogs etc.

Trappers and stairs is the worst thing I know

[unreal nova]

Through floors as well.

[mortal aspen]

trappers and dogs have nothing on hookers and assassins

[serene bough]

Wish I could keep my h40 when patches changed

[mortal aspen]

baby mode specials by comparison

[distant mural]

Hookers are the devil yes

[red portal]

Assassin rats jumping you from half the map away

[serene bough]

Going back to h30 after new patch is annoying

[narrow widget]

the humble assassin locking on to you from 3 zones over:

[distant mural]

And no shoving eithet

[mortal aspen]

it's them jumping from directly above me with no sound that gets me

[distant mural]

Except assasin if i remember right

[mortal aspen]

at light speed too

[fair shale]

I wish you either could or couldn't derank

[distant mural]

Or more tries

[red portal]

Hook rats can fuck you pretty hard if you don't notice them

[distant mural]

Like 5

[mortal aspen]

that's the thing, trappers can shoot through hordes, sure, but they have a distinct sound effect for the shot

[distant mural]

Vermintide is much harder in general imo

[red portal]

It shouldn't take a try if you server crash

Period

[mortal aspen]

hookers walk through the hordes and hook you with no sound

[serene bough]

I just don't see a point in H1-39 after you've completed and obtained H40, let me just stay there

[red portal]

[distant mural]

Havoc was fun for me until i completed 40s and then i had no more fun in the suffering

[unreal nova]

Could be for fun, but then I rather a lvl selector instead.

[distant mural]

I want a selector for modifiers

Like drg

[serene bough]

I dont mind assisting others level but id rather not climb the ladder again

[red portal]

Don't listen to randoms on Reddit the hellbore is plenty strong

It's just not plasma gun

[willow prairie]

yeah temp hp

[distant mural]

And just let us select maps like in vermintide

[pseudo fiber]

No I know not to its just a reminder to never go there for darktide feedback as they are all garbo

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/e0T1SI5 I actually got poxbreaker recently

[willow prairie]

first off you don't get a sort of safety net from toughness and sometimes you don't have it when you're 1 shot

[distant mural]

Yeah just completely different. Healing items are much more important

[red portal]

I wonder how many people on the reddit play h40 that give advice for h40.

[fair shale]

No better way to earn that methinks

[unreal nova]

I know the feel. Is why I rather a lvl selector. You grind your way up but can still pick any havoc lvl you beat already, weekly rewards is based on highest won for week as usual.

[calm shard]

I have been playing this game since the beta I just have been too on and off with it to really get it quickly

[willow prairie]

but istg zealot thp deplete slower

[serene bough]

I would like this idea too

[distant mural]

In dt health is almost meaningless imo

You can survive on low hp forever

[willow prairie]

also the fact grimoire actually matter in vt2

[calm shard]

flashback to early days when triple health curios were meta because fire instantly broke toughness

[distant mural]

I dont see any reason to go for anything but toughness tbh

[willow prairie]

both tomes and grimoire are so ass

[pseudo fiber]

And when they reworked it and it did exponential damage and was killing people instantly

Those were the days

[unreal nova]

So you can just play 25-30 if you think Auric is too chill but H40 too CBT to have fun without tryharding without waiting for someone to host.

[willow prairie]

not even difficulty wise

Just the fact you have to get them for reward

[calm shard]

I like the 30+ meatgrinder quite a lot personally

[red portal]

Just make fire do 80000% damage

[mortal aspen]

eh

[calm shard]

You get a lot of questionable players who are just now reaching the "find out" phase of Havoc

[mortal aspen]

if you really want those vaults, just spam chaos wastes

[distant mural]

In vermintide it also mattered a lot more cause of the abhorrent loot system tho

[calm shard]

And it's fun to see just how much I can do to drag these teams to a completion

[mortal aspen]

it's fun and you don't need to collect anything

[willow prairie]

"yeah just play entirely different game mode that transfer your talent n weapon"

rarity also affect weapon in chaos waste

[red portal]

Havoc 40 is fun when you have capable friends to play with

[willow prairie]

not to mention it an ENTIRE FUCKING GAME MODE

[mortal aspen]

i'm talking about the rewards

if you really want vaults and hate collecting grims\tomes - play chaos wastes

[red portal]

Deed swap bug is the best way to get emp caches

[willow prairie]

deed swap require like 2 other people

[red portal]

Yes I am advocating to exploit

Cata deed swapping is fun.

[serene bough]

Well, me personally I enjoy oppressive difficulty and bullshit mechanics to overcome, so I do have fun in H40 lol

[mortal aspen]

I did the deed thing, got like 200 chests or something

[serene bough]

If I wanted to play a more fair game I would stick to auric

[mortal aspen]

but I didn't need to do. the only reason I bothered was that someone else was doing the speedrunning and I was just sitting afk

[willow prairie]

I wish i can do deed swap but no one i know play fucking vt2

off to against the grain i go

[red portal]

Just hit me up when I'm off work

I'll be down

[mortal aspen]

the guy I played with skipped the entire map on BW

one of the newer skaven maps

[red portal]

Pit has an out of bounds

[mortal aspen]

literally 2min and you get 2 vaults

[red portal]

It's slower though

But easier to pull off.

[willow prairie]

what bw again

[mortal aspen]

battle wizard

[red portal]

Using the dash to get out of bounds is a staple

[pseudo fiber]

I kinda just believed in the rng gods for VT2 reds

I didn't even know about these exploits

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova 🤔

[thorn lark]

That has been the case since the beginning no?

[calm shard]

Yes

[unreal nova]

Wat.

[nimble finch]

which voice has ''Close kill and do it again" and "if you can breathe, you can kill"?

[pseudo fiber]

Cutthroat

[nimble finch]

k

[hollow ibex]

aka best vet

[pseudo fiber]

I don't believe we're talking about loose cannon

[hollow ibex]

i said best vet

why would we be talking about loose cannon?

[spark helm]

Best vet. Easily

[tame cliff]

Loose cannon is peak

Best girl

[nimble finch]

male professional >

[blazing jetty]

Professional is alright but loose cannon is ludicrously based

[dapper coyote]

Chat, what revolvers blessing should i target for?

Just bobbed crushers and maulers with them.

Feels good without feeling disgusting.

[blazing jetty]

I use hand cannon and surgical

[surreal rune]

handcannon, surgical

[dapper coyote]

I see

[blazing jetty]

The rest feel too situational

[dapper coyote]

The roulette is a gamblers blessing lmao

[dry cloak]

depends on the mark.
zarona is handcannon with surgical/crucian
agrippina its run n gun with whatever you like preferably trickshooter

[dapper coyote]

Im using zarona (cus i prefer accuracy over fire rate in high dmg stuff)

[vestal olive]

yeah. surgical + handcannon. With a headshot you one shot basically anything thats not carapace (or mutant yeah yeah)

[tame cliff]

Trick shooter makes me feel like I'm using golden gun in Destiny

[vestal olive]

so the crit and rending helps you vs crushers if you want to use it for them

[mystic oak]

For a melee vet, should i rock survivalist or fire team. Then should i use Inflitrate or Voice of command?

[mortal aspen]

survivalist + shout

someone, post The Build (tm)

[sudden cedar]

Survivalist and Voice of Command. Add in Field Improv too. And a Health Curio so you don't get one-shot by poxbursters.

[mystic oak]

what is shout? (Nvm i get it)

[mystic oak]

what grenade would fit well? Ive heard krak or shredder

[sudden cedar]

Either will do well. Currently in Havoc Kraks might be better.

[mystic oak]

Alright and i assume duty and honor for the modifier for voice?

[sudden cedar]

For Golden Toughness, yes.

[mystic oak]

gotchu, thanks!

[hollow ibex]

close and kill smh

[sharp epoch]

executioner's stance is better than both atm lol

[vestal olive]

survivalist if your team doesnt have another vet,
fire team if it does

will keep your teammates happy

[tame cliff]

Just bonk enemies EZ

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[serene bough]

Idk about that yet

[mystic oak]

im a melee monke, so i prefer sword and bonk to pew pew

[serene bough]

Stagger/gold toughness is still very important

But exe stance definitely is a competitive pick

[sharp epoch]

The constant toughness regen from exe is just all you need and has better uptime than shout

[mystic oak]

But bonk and yelling at people is better

[sharp epoch]

It was until they gutted it twice in a row but now I think exe is

[mystic oak]

doesnt matter to me, imma yell at people and swing my sword

I only use a gun because its a mandatory equip

[serene bough]

Id say VoC is balanced now

It's just been broken for so long that we've been spoiled spamming it for the meta lol

[slow sky]

People really undervalue the instant wide range stagger from voc

[sudden cedar]

The Golden Toughness is nice, but the stagger is the best value.

[slow sky]

Like gold toughness is always the focus but the stagger is always so valuable

[wild stratus]

is there a mod to replace the shoutsound of VoC?

[mystic oak]

I get to stagger everything, get golden toughness, and yell at people while swinging wildly

Peak

[slow sky]

Its why I use it on my melee builds primarily

[sharp epoch]

I mean a lot of classes have that stagger too, chorus is a better version, and taunt also has it and way better uptime (basically up 90% of the time)

[serene bough]

Yeah stagger is the difference between winning/losing encounters pretty often

Free teammate from a mutant, stop a elite death ball, boss stun, space for a revive, etc etc

[slow sky]

The other options I have are exe stance, which doesnt have that stagger utility when I need it, and also super zooms in my screen, or infiltrate which doesnt really do much for supporting what I want my build to do

Sure exe stance gives you lots of toughness over time, but thats not what I want from my ability on a melee build

[hybrid plover]

QoL change to stop exe stances zoom in

Pls

[rancid dragon]

Hello everyone

[serene bough]

Exe uptime and wall hack is pretty great though

[rancid dragon]

Hru all?

[slow sky]

I either want stuff to back away, bulwarks to open up, a path for movement to open up, all gunners to sit down, or just refresh my toughness instantly

[hybrid plover]

And stun immunity.

[mystic oak]

If only they gave power sword the same type of abilties as the falchion. Cause i still hate this power sword playstyle, but im too low level for the falchion rn

[slow sky]

Like yes chorus and taunt do that better, but theyre not on vet
And just hoping that they do it when I want it to happen just isnt it

[spark helm]

Survivalist is much more versatile and relevant to your standard play in a way that fire team can't exactly provide. If you really want it that badly to stack even more damage for your melee playstyle, feel free. Just know that survivalist can be extremely useful since utilizing a power and reliable ranged option is often a great choice even if you're not using it liberally due to your own choices and interests.

Voice of command is hands down your most reliable tool that's compatible with a melee-focused playstyle. It's just strictly that versatile as it gives you everything you might want to help out in a scuffle. You can use it to boost your approach to shooters, tanking up against something you might not be able to ignore in the moment, recover needed toughness for yourself and others as necessary, shut down enemy approaches for vips that matter even more in melee, buying time to set up attacks, etc. There's just a lot to work with.

Infiltrate in this case can perform up into aurics, however you're going to be taking on a lot more problems during its downtime. Taking talents like tactical awareness can be extremely helpful and depending on what ability modifiers you take to make infiltrate stronger, they too synergize well with melee-focused play.

The main problem these days however is just the hit that nerfs to tactical awareness have done to indirectly effect infiltrate's uptime. Your own discipline and persistence can help you with managing it, but you're going to need to be on point with how you avoid taking too much damage and how frequently you may have to position yourself to mitigate blindspots.

I'd say that ultimately if you want the most generally helpful returns that coincide the best with your interests, taking survivalist and voice of command are going to be the easiest way to set yourself up to take things on. Everything after that is down to your own capacity as a player and teammate.

[mystic oak]

very in depth, thank you brother

[sharp epoch]

wow chat gpt here

[spark helm]

🤨

[slow sky]

Its missing the emojis

[serene bough]

I think the existence of the discussion of whether or not to use VoC vs Exe is proof that voc is far more balanced but not gutted

[spark helm]

That's a sad admittance, even if it's probably a passing joke.

[steep flower]

If VoC would lose Golden Toughness it would still be top tier
If it would lose stagger it provides it would be less used than exec stance which would dominate veterans meta

[slow sky]

Exactly

[spark helm]

I mean, sure because of course voc is great. The same ability has been around as far back as vt2 with the same range of viability into endgame difficulties and deeds cataclysm runs and even winds of magic. Like by design, it's too good to be a hindrance or something that isn't an incredibly intuitive tool to use as players get deeper into the game.

[hollow ibex]

Feels like a get out of jail card

Which is why I don’t use VOC

[slow sky]

It can be
But it can also be used proactively

[spark helm]

They'd have to strip the cores of what makes 360 shouts 360 shouts in order for it to lose relevance.

[sharp epoch]

I mean you can just not take duty and honor already and see how good that is

free point on talent tree

[slow sky]

I use it to agress gunners in havoc

[hollow ibex]

True. It just feels kinda cheesy which is why I never use it. It would definitely make me a worse player lol

[atomic void]

Voc is great offensively

Knock mfs down and smack

[spark helm]

The stagger loss would be the biggest hit.

[slow sky]

Just get within range and cast
Theyre now on the ground, the toughness you lost on approach is back, and theyre wide open

Like it literally is just the best option for a wide range of reasons for a melee vet

[atomic void]

Eh at this point this game is pure cheese who cares really

[spark helm]

And golden toughness is just dt version of the thp steroid with greater gains.

[tame cliff]

Yeah use it as a tempo ult and your team will never need to slow down

[serene bough]

Im okay with shout currently is what ill say, the nerf to tac awareness was long overdue and its still a competitive pick

I like that exe is now a considerable choice also, now if they can buff infiltrate a bit id be very content

[spark helm]

Yeah. It sucks that tac getting nudged popped infiltrate down a bit but whatever. Patches are an inevitability so I'm patient.

[steep flower]

It is; my long time ago friend did not took it back in havoc 2.0 & 1.0 and it was fine - there was not really much of a big difference in survivability loss other than extra 50 toughness
When we needed the push it was still provided and if he needed a toughness pick me up he still got it

[slow sky]

Exe stance on a MMF build tho is actually fucking stupid tho

Defensively

[spark helm]

It's great. :^)

[slow sky]

Tunnel vision giving you an easy +60% toughness replenishment

[spark helm]

Heehee.

[slow sky]

Now exe stance gives 16% per second

[serene bough]

Im okay with this

[slow sky]

Catch a breath is now 8% p/s

[spark helm]

Turning a veteran ranged choice into a utility dispenser is fantastic

[slow sky]

Like bro

Then born leader??

[spark helm]

It was always possible but back then had a bit of a cap.

[slow sky]

And confirmed kill???

[spark helm]

Oh...you seem to be seeing the light.

[hollow ibex]

Ah yes let me just fight in pox gas and pretend I’m an arbi

[slow sky]

All of these work when you're in melee too?

[spark helm]

Hospitality Veteran is finally here more than ever before.

[slow sky]

Mmf refreshes from melee weakspot hits??

Its just insane

[spark helm]

Is it hits or kills? Forgot but that was a huge buff to MMF.

[sharp epoch]

I mean you can run anything if you got a good enough team tbh

[hollow ibex]

Hits

[serene bough]

Just hits

[slow sky]

Hits
It always worked that way

[steep flower]

Exacly; i was thinking for a long time that if wants to nerf shout all they have to do is tie stagger value to the distance of the shout it travels outside aka if a crusher is on the edge of the radius he don’t care, if boss ain’t at point blank he don’t care either (or straight up not being able to stagger a boss like BTL on Arby; i was soo afraid it would do that but thankfully it does not)

[slow sky]

Its the movement causing stack removal that was removed

[spark helm]

Never noticed it working before but I probably just never bothered to try it at the time. I rarely played eith mmf.

[slow sky]

I just rarely use mmf and exe stance cuz i am dogshit at aiming lmfao

[spark helm]

Unless it was a recon las or specific lasgun setups.

[slow sky]

Which is why i run melee everything

[mystic oak]

combat shotgun be like

[slow sky]

Turns out you dont need to aim with shovel double barrel

Crazy

[spark helm]

I liked exestance since forever ago. Been patiently waiting for that playstyle to get better and now we're here.

[serene bough]

I like to take ET on MMF + exe builds

[steep flower]

Every spot is a weakspot with a boomstick

[serene bough]

Just more free toughness for clicking heads

[spark helm]

And mmf getting better finally has me using it for more frequently because it's just fucking awesome in ranged-focused builds.

[mystic oak]

What gun yall think is best for a melee vet? Or should i remain shotgun guy

[sharp epoch]

only problem with mmf for me is it only increases finesse not damage so certain guns dont even work with it

[spark helm]

Veteran already has had easy stable and strong melee picks too so unless that takes a wild hit, I can just reliably make a gun build of nearly any choice and my like...four strongest melee picks are just there and they're weakspot friendly?

W

W

W

.

[slow sky]

Depends on exactly how youre speccing into it

[spark helm]

Winthisgameandfun.com

[vestal olive]

revolver for special sniping (you still spend 99% of your time in melee)
or maybe a bolter for boss deletion/armor pack deletion

whatever you'd like. as the name suggests, your ranged is a supplement to whatever you feel like is lacking

[slow sky]

Cuz i think double barrel with a specific setup is the best option, but only in that setup

[spark helm]

Which ones? So far my main rotation with mmf aren't losing out or at least don't seem to be. Even something as spray down as recon is far easier to just gain stacks depending on the mark and personal choices.

[sharp epoch]

recon lasgun

[vestal olive]

i would go revolver (or bistol) because seeing your team ignore the bomber that is setting an entire forest fire is maddening

[mystic oak]

ngl, combat shotgun really be snipin sometimes, but ill give revolver a try.

[slow sky]

I mean it works with everything, some weapons just have better scaling
But when its 75-112.5% finesse damage, that still results in a MASSIVE damage bump for every weapon

[sharp epoch]

it really doesnt do anything for recon

[slow sky]

Its why duellist was still a top choice for weapons with horrible finesse damage

[spark helm]

If you want to be certain with a broadly powerful choice, consider the plasma gun. The vrak7 infantry autogun isn't shabby at all especially if your melee and grenade choices can cover carapace enemies with better ease. Double-barrel is fun and with weapon specialist as a keystone and some good execution habits, you can get plenty done and it's fun, but can be hard. The revolver made for popping heads is fine as well, you'll just have to sharpen whatever breakneck aim you may need, maybe rely on the weapon specialist keystone modifier talent that gives back ammo after building stacks. Idk about other shotguns without exestance and mmf setups on vet so idk. Unsure about helbore lasguns and vigilant autoguns for the same reasons.

[pulsar zephyr]

Hellborn lasgun bayonet attack got some neat stun

[thorn lark]

This is legit useful https://youtu.be/T2iAXHR58KU?si=22ZAksKfzCQKXuXm

[spark helm]

@mystic oak

I'd stay away from infantry lasguns and shredder pistols though. Zero clue about the output for heavy laspistol and bolter.

The bolt pistol however is in a very interesting space to me for melee-focused builds. One mark gives you a better precision choice, the other gives less precision damage and overall damage (can still drop most specials and weak elites in decent enough time) but especially excels at aoe stagger cc which can be really fun to play with through weapon specialist.

And if you're taking weapon specialist, the right tree talents available to you also help your gunplay enough to stabilize aspects of the aoe bolt pistol's shortcomings on upfront damage. I can say that at least up to aurics, that gun with that playstyle in mind isn't what I'd call a disappointment.

And with one melee-focused build, you cover just about all of what vet would want for other melee options so it's really up to you how you want to play it. If you're ever over any setbacks, you can slap more meta weapons on to it and perform fine.

[spark helm]

That'd be an interesting choice. I don't think they're gonna touch it in certain ways for a while since they really seem to like having that generalist powerhouse of a choice available to people. Which is fine, but any nerfs voc can take on are probably only going to really matter for the highest heights of the game.

[vestal olive]

For melee vet maybe take bistol for the grenade buff haha

[spark helm]

I actually don't know if vt1 had something like a shout ability.

Any vt1 people in here?

[steep flower]

Finesse = crit AND weakspot power; don’t need to crit to get bonus dmg

[steep flower]

It can if we consider the firerate of the weapon = more dmg

[steep flower]

V1 had no abilities

It was as close it can get to l4d games

But more melee focused

[spark helm]

Mmhm. I just looked it back up. Heroes mostly just had their own weapons unique to them yeah

Save something like the crossbow for example apparently. I only got to play vt1 like maybe twice.

Even when I had the money for it, my hardware wasn't at all capable so I just had to stay away from tide games for years until I got vt2 and eventually got a better setup that could handle toastertide pretty well.

Personally still find it funny that shitting all over the game's visual quality actually made it easier to handle certain enemies or just have better visual clarity because there isn't a bunch of extra particle and bloom effects happening all the time.

Leeches would be T-posed after teleporting 🤣

[vestal olive]

yeah, for other games too. I know SC2 players that have their PC souped up to high hell slam their graphics down to low for nearly everything

Unfortunately, Darktide with everything down to low doesn't really look like low settings lmao

[mortal aspen]

graphics settings in modern games are meaningless

make everything look like shit for 5 fps increase

megalul

Darktide is no different

might as well go potato-tide

[meager echo]

Is this config setting related? I saw this on youtube.

I don't have fps problem but I crash a lot..

[vestal olive]

nah see i dont think so

the second part is right but not the first

in new games i throw my settings down to low and the game still looks fine.

AYE. i said LOW settings dawg

[mortal aspen]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/49?tab=description

[vestal olive]

if i cant count the polygons thats not low settings

[mortal aspen]

i see what you mean

lowering stuff like textures does indeed do barely anything to the visuals

[vestal olive]

I have a decent enough rig though my CPU is bottlenecking the crap out of me, especially in darktide

But I like to play at 120 frames not 60, which comes at a premium for nearly any game released these days

[mortal aspen]

I hate to admit it, but frame generation is actually kind of decent

and it is a huge fps gain, even if they're fake

i wish you weren't forced to also use DLAA or other DLSS options with it

[vestal olive]

Are you really? F

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Like -1 on textures or something along those lines

[meager echo]

I need to try that config to see if it help with the out of memory problem.

[pulsar zephyr]

Is the combat shotgun any good? Pros and cons?

[rancid dragon]

I need fun build ideas

The hellbore one I’m using is fine

But not the finish

Funist

[mortal aspen]

I used that config when my GPU got fried. It's great, but needs some adjustment if you want to see stuff like laser pointers, fire zones etc.

and some maps are pitch black on the default setting too

[tame lodge]

All the pros possible
The con is that it's a shotgun so it has cursed consistency damage due to pellets bullshit

Overall good

Avoid Accatran though

[pulsar zephyr]

Thank you.

[pseudo fiber]

also reloading is slow

sometimes

[pulsar zephyr]

Can I cross map snipers with it

[slow spade]

Rip the fire shotgun

[pulsar zephyr]

[pseudo fiber]

quite easily

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Minimum pellet count

If 1 pellet hits it counts as if x amount of pellets hit

[pseudo fiber]

combat shotgun is a lot of fun

[tame lodge]

So you're always going to have some usable damage against snipers that are far away

[jolly quail]

https://tenor.com/view/music-dance-me-when-music-gif-67489484730929159

[vestal olive]

but yeah youre probably right, i oughtta use frame gen. I already do that for emulated games where there is no option for higher fps

and it isnt that bad

[jolly quail]

its so over

[red robin]

All I’m saying

I do not like the added latency of frame generation

I know you can min max it so there’s less

But that’s a lot of effort

[meager echo]

iirc the gas and sniper lazer related to the particles_capacity_multiplier setting in the config. I tried turning off the tox gas vissual effect by set particles_capacity_multiplier = 0. It made the sniper laser invisible as well

[vestal olive]

im too insensitive to feel it. same with vsync when years ago people whined about vsync latency

[mortal aspen]

yeah it's something like that. I just followed the instructions in the comments on nexus

[red robin]

Invisible sniper lasers

Damn

Mf going full daredevil using their game sense to intuit incoming sniper shots

[vestal olive]

all sound baby

[steep flower]

Nah don’t listen to the boyos stating accatran is bad
Its solid

[steep flower]

Tactical Reload

[hollow ibex]

Agri is king 🤴

[fresh spire]

best setup on shovel for horde clear? Im using u.strike (for flak) + skullcrusher. blessings are either flak+maniac or flak+unarmored

[tropic notch]

Uncanny decimator

[red robin]

Instead of skullcrusher, decimator helps with waveclear

[slow sky]

I use uncanny decimator for my general use/double barrel shovel

[tropic notch]

I do flak unyielding

[tropic notch]

Actually what perks do you put on shovel

[slow sky]

Unyielding carapace

[tropic notch]

Guh

I mean that’s fair the shovel isn’t really a break point weapon

[narrow frost]

And in context of havoc

Too

[tame lodge]

Just go the based route

[slow sky]

And i have double barrel to chunk elites

[tame lodge]

Skullcrusher Decimator

[slow sky]

Most of the time my shovel is out too

[fresh spire]

how much does it take to cap bleed dmg on shredders

[slow sky]

Any crusher or something that gets caught in a crit shot now has bleed, which is buffed by the perk on shovel since I always have it oit

[fresh spire]

is there a point to throwing more than 1 into a mixed horde

[slow sky]

Bleed caps at 16

[narrow frost]

1 nade to stagger, 2 to kill. Iirc that's how path phrased it

[tame lodge]

Yeah
At least 2 to kill

[mortal aspen]

so, do you run shredders with shovel\db then?

[slow sky]

No

[mortal aspen]

right

[slow sky]

I have shredders in gun form

[mortal aspen]

yeah, I do krak with db too

[slow sky]

I take kraks for bosses and bulwarks/ogryn blobs

The build handles everything just fine but thats the least fine part so might as well do that rather than double down on something I already excel at

[mortal aspen]

yeah

I wish Kruber had weapon specialist so I could do a similar setup with Blunderbussy + Melee

[slow sky]

Its just so funny

[mortal aspen]

but alas, it's only BH and griffonfeet

[tropic notch]

Serrated blade is really good

I love it

[mortal aspen]

I somehow did 1mil with taxe\db vs my team doing ~400-500k each on auric mael in a recent game
it really is a good setup

if I played more I'd take it into havoc

it's just so fluid and intuitive

i love WS

[slow sky]

That chat was a havoc game

[mortal aspen]

yeah, I assumed so

pog

[slow sky]

I was outdamaging a purg+soulblaze vent psyker

[slow spade]

Give me enough barrels and ledges and I can do that too 😎

[mortal aspen]

DB with manstopper kinda almost feels like purg when it hits right

and you cleave through dozens of elites and trash

[vestal olive]

What is so good about the non-folding shovel?

[red robin]

There’s this chaos wastes mod called peregrinaje, and you could roll additional shots as a weapon trait and roll one as a boon, so I had the auto loading blunderbuss with the huntsmen talent that give you a shot on 3 hits

That was fun

https://tenor.com/view/hell-doom-doomguy-doom-slayer-gif-1856426728697571896

[slow sky]

It has the best moveset out of all of them

And the special has higher stagger with a 100x stagger multiplier on headshot, so its also great at control

The push attack does way more damage than you think

[vestal olive]

ohh it has the old DS special

[red robin]

That finesse curve nutty on push attack

[slow sky]

It just does everything well

[hybrid plover]

Most fluid and simple moveset with a special attack that is very often a guaranteed stagger if you hit something in the head, barring bosses.

[slow sky]

It doesnt excel at anything

But it is very good at everything

[hybrid plover]

It's a very generalist weapon.

[vestal olive]

push attack for crushers?

[red robin]

Also special can stop a mutant charge in its tracks, pointless when you can dodge, but we gotta live for aura farming moments

[hybrid plover]

Push attack or light spam since naturally you're using serrated with uncanny

Since

Why wouldn't you

[slow sky]

Basically
But you also have access to uncanny and serrated

The light attacks are comparable to axe lights

Hell its coded as an axe actually

The light combo is identical to Rashad
Its just way faster, has a bit of actual cleave, and less damage

[red robin]

Also you got the peak audio design of the shovel ringing it’s steel upon impacting flesh

[vestal olive]

serrated?

the talent?

[slow sky]

In sparce hordes you can straight up cleave though them with the lights with the strength from decimator

[slow sky]

Yes

Which also juices your horde clear too

Since it has a fair amount of cleave on heavies

[vestal olive]

oh yeah i take that on everything

[crisp oak]

Doesnt it take like 10 push attacks to kill a crusher

[tepid otter]

Depends on the weapon

[crisp oak]

Talking about shovel

[slow sky]

Are you talking about without uncanny

[vestal olive]

just change maniac to cara?

[hybrid plover]

Homie's got that 0% damage

[crisp oak]

With uncanny

[slow sky]

That doesn't sound right

Cuz in havoc 40 it takes me a stab, pushfollow, then about 8-10 lights to kill a crusher

[crisp oak]

Maybe Im thinking of prebuff veteran

[tame lodge]

Just
Special Push Attack

[crisp oak]

[willow prairie]

krill issue

[slow sky]

8-10 lights sounds bad but shovel is fuckin fast, esp with weapon specialist
And this is a havoc 40 crusher with 9750 health with full carapace

[crisp oak]

Oh yeah

[slow sky]

And you could also stop early and let them bleed out

[wild stratus]

Now I'm motivated to show my latrine shovel to some heretics.

[thorn lark]

You use manstopper flechette?

[slow sky]

Ofc

[frank basin]

How much critful vet get?

[thorn lark]

I did a Auric duo with a meleeker (fgs-reco) recently. In gloriana... He did 2M and me 1M with the db shovel. It was crazy.

[calm shard]

25% from reciprocity, 15% from desperado(melee only), 10% from opening salvo (guns only), 25% from deadshot (guns only)

10% base

[frank basin]

Dodge while aiming with crit build up sure micromanaging

[hybrid plover]

Cara unyielding is my setup

Since deci stacks will let you start killing flak efficiently

[mortal aspen]

what combos for horde clear with shovel btw?

just light spam?

[hybrid plover]

And bleed stacks as well since if you're cleaving in a mixed horde, those stacks add up on the enemies not taking a lot of damage from the cleave distribtion.

[frank basin]

Which mark

[vestal olive]

mouse 1 mouse 1 mouse 1 mouse 1 mouse 1

[mortal aspen]

mk1 shovel

[hybrid plover]

Heavy spam on mk1

[mortal aspen]

hmm

[hybrid plover]

Light spam with push attacks for single target.

And the occasional special attack if you need to stagger something

[slow sky]

Desperado only gives 10% crit

Opening salvo isnt crit, its strength

[mortal aspen]

Opening Salvo is also a talent, and it gives crit

[calm shard]

I was wrong about desperado tho

[mortal aspen]

fatshark ran out of words

[hybrid plover]

Also, with decimator, when you're clearing a horde, if you know your heavy might miss, either cancel it or hold onto it until you get close enough to something so your stacks won't go away.

[slow sky]

Oh I was thinking the blessing
Totally forgot thats what this was called

[calm shard]

yeah because who the fuck is spending a talent point on Conditional 10% crit

ain't no way

I ain't even doing that shit on guns that straight don't do damage without crit

[mortal aspen]

it sucks that the stacks go away on a miss

[slow sky]

Helbore could

Shock trooper making that mag range last decades

With surgical making it a crit nearly every time, salvo just reducing the time to ensure it, or increasing the chance if you dont wait

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I can’t stand deci

I run skullcrusher

[hybrid plover]

I have. Tried skullcrusher.

I acknowledge how strong it is.

[mortal aspen]

I tried skullcrusher and I didn't feel the value tbh

[hybrid plover]

But that havoc hit mass really makes you wish you had decimator

[hollow ibex]

Yeah deci is stronger

But keeping stacks up is so ass

[hybrid plover]

Shovel is a rhythm weapon like power sword imho

You want every attack you do to be deliberate and sure that it'll hit something

[red robin]

That’s such a bizarre term to apply, but I know what you mean because I feel that in gameplay

[hybrid plover]

Special attacks help a lot with keeping up those stacks tbh

[red robin]

Some weapons got a tempo to apply and when you do, it punches

[hybrid plover]

Very often ill be holding onto my heavies and I'll turn the way of my swing so that I'm keeping the decimator stacks going while getting that acceleration to make sure I get the hit off before the stacks expire.

[red robin]

Reminds me when my friend told me sekiro is a rhythm game and if you get the tempo, you can pressure a boss to death

[meager echo]

sekiro is just spam rbutton till you win

[hybrid plover]

Try it with tinkered kraks

The boss damage is nuts.

[mortal aspen]

that sounds like a pain in the ass to set up

need to stagger first, apply stacks, then stagger again and then attach the krak

[red robin]

Shout does the trick, tap em twice to put 2 stacks of debuff

[hybrid plover]

Not really, especially if you're using shout.

Since all you have to do is hit twice while they're in the staggered state.

[red robin]

I think push attack is 2 stacks, push while they’re staggered applies skullcrusher I think?

[mortal aspen]

but it has to be staggered to receive bonus damage too

for the stacks to work

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. With shout, it's not that bad, except with burgles.

With them, you do need a krak to stagger them, then you go in, hit two times, and then krak again.

But that setup pays off given you're nearly doubling your damage.

[slow sky]

The game literally has seperate timings and animations to punish you for spamming

[hybrid plover]

I wouldn't use it.

[mortal aspen]

it does sound good, but it's a bit too big brain for me

[hybrid plover]

Since I just prefer the more generalist approach.

But skullcrusher with kraks is crazy strong for bosses.

[meager echo]

I don't think thats a thing in sekiro. I notice it a lot more in lies of p.

[hybrid plover]

Wat

[mortal aspen]

the hard mode in Sekiro makes you take damage on block

so you can't just spam

[meager echo]

sekiro deflect is way more forgiving than lies of p

[slow sky]

It literally is a thing in sekiro
Lies of p has cooldowns on being able to block again instead but sekiro has literal differences in windows and animations based on spamming

[mortal aspen]

but Sekiro is a pretty easy game once you get the rhythm

[hybrid plover]

You still need to time deflects.

[mortal aspen]

the easiest souls game for sure

[slow sky]

Lies of p window is .15s whereas sekiro is .2s

[meager echo]

then it's very forgiving to spam deflect. I know because I beat sekiro way faster than lies of p.

Lies of p perfect guard suck ass

[slow sky]

Here i just googled it

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Sekiro/s/kcxhZnFFsv

You can see the difference in animation

[meager echo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vM3bD1dje4

[red robin]

Man

[tepid otter]

Woman

[red robin]

Makes me want to play nightreign again

Executor deflects with draw/sheathe nutty

[tepid otter]

Its aight

me and my mate got bored of it after 2 weeks lmao

[red robin]

I find it fun with my buddy

[slow sky]

Heres inner isshin
Not no-hit, but no heals were used
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/782067739619360838/1219111871324618802/Sekiro_Shadows_Die_Twice_2024.03.17-21.11.mp4?ex=6904c928&is=690377a8&hm=9638447528fda6b36259e19d20c39f0dc46b2a714b8a004a2028139652277cd2&

[red robin]

But haven’t played it in a month

[tepid otter]

well nothing new in the game after like.. a while

[red robin]

True

[tepid otter]

its fun sure, but after awhile its just repetitive

[red robin]

Relic system reminds me of pre-crafting update darktide

[meager echo]

I can't no hit as well xD. Sekiro is one of the best game I've played. Nothing come close to it.

[slow sky]

I can no hit eigong tho lmfao

[meager echo]

maybe khazan

[slow sky]

Which some people consider harder than isshin

[tepid otter]

Nightreigns fun if you dont play it like Elden Ring

[meager echo]

eigong from nine sols ?

[red robin]

I just like nutty build synergies

[meager echo]

peak game

[slow sky]

Yeah

[mortal aspen]

Ishin is not the hardest boss in Sekiro

[red robin]

5x initial standard attack raider my beloved

[slow sky]

It took 3 attempts when I actually went for it

https://youtu.be/uytrxXjWEIA

[mortal aspen]

Blacksmith demon is the hardest

also, that fuckign bull in the beginning

[tepid otter]

I remember doing the 3 Ironeyes with my mates lmao

Wish the 'builds' in nightreign was more intricate tho

[meager echo]

I don't even know what to do with that bull xD.

[red robin]

And less rng dependant to get it online would be cool too

[meager echo]

The most bs boss in sekiro is the demon that kill you with the debuff. The headless ?

[red robin]

I don’t like the gank guardian ape fight

Ape 1 and Ape 2

[mortal aspen]

the headless entirely depends on whether you have the confetti or not

[slow sky]

That bull is actually easy once you know how he works

Like 90% of attacks dont actually have hitboxes

[mortal aspen]

there is that sorcerer headless in the end iirc, that one is awful regardless

well, I don't know how he works xdd

run around and poke him to death is how I did it

[slow sky]

Lies of p is still the only one I've played with a good gank fight

[mortal aspen]

like one of the only bosses that I killed by actually reducing hp to 0

[meager echo]

Bro. The rabbit brother fight is bs.

[slow sky]

The 2nd one

The first one is good

And not bs

[meager echo]

1st run I use the wrench build, I kill them pretty fast
2nd run I use the Dex weapon, can't even kill them

[slow sky]

They come in at intervals of the eldests hp, where the eldest becomes super passive, only doing a charge every once n a while with a very distinct yell before he does it

You can literally use it like a dt audio cue

To know when to dodge it

[meager echo]

Lies of p is full of bs boss. I hate the green monster as well. breaking my weapon everytime

[slow sky]

Have you tried not getting hit by decay?

Green swamp monster has some bs attack hitboxes in phase 1 but thats about it

As long as you get your parries right you wont be dealing with decay

[meager echo]

The only fight i love in that game is romeo.

[slow sky]

My favorite fight is the final boss of the dlc

I managed to do it on tier 5

At that difficulty a couple imperfect blocks will kill you

[meager echo]

I haven't touch the DLC. I kill the last boss then it automatically move me to the next run. Too lazy to play again.

[slow sky]

Have you seen what the boss looks like

[faint beacon]

Thinking about the Sekiro boss that gets mad at you and pulls out a firearm

[meager echo]

the one with the scissors ?

The last one i fought is nameless puppet.

[slow sky]

For the dlc

[meager echo]

no man.

I haven't play dlc

[slow sky]

Makes nameless puppet look like pussy shit

[meager echo]

That game is too hard for me anyway.

[hallow drift]

I should play Pinocchio souls

[slow sky]

I consider it on par with sekiro

[hallow drift]

Got burned out after Elden Ring and DLC were kinda butts

[slow sky]

But i think it has better replayability cuz of all the really cool weapons

And weapon combos

[hallow drift]

Yeah the drip looks pretty great too

[slow sky]

Which is independant of armor

[hallow drift]

Lies of P DLC actually looks HEAT too

[meager echo]

Bro, phase 2 is literally cancer

[slow sky]

Its dope

[hallow drift]

Ive been hoardmaxxing lately

I’d been holding off on buying BF6, but Arc Raiders is a thing

[serene bough]

Brilliant boss battle

Love sekiro

[slow sky]

The euphoria of perfect blocking the entire combo is unmatched

[hallow drift]

Then I stop myself from buying that because I hate extraction shooters on principle

I recently got Goldeneye on my steam deck tho so that’s neat

[faint beacon]

I’m so mad at you, im pulling the Blicky out

That’s how mad I am

Like you know he’s mad when he pulls out the strap

[hallow drift]

Isshin, the Glock Saint

https://tenor.com/view/neon-gun-gif-24585348

Checking his mag while you respawn after choking mid combo and getting owned

I love how mastering Sekiro/Jedi FO/Survivor isn’t just parrying the boss to oblivion, it’s squeezing in all the cool little moves you get and never use to look flashy af

[tepid panther]

For the boltgun can stability be a viable dumpstat?

[tepid otter]

not unless you want your gun jumping all over the place imo

[hallow drift]

If you like R6 Siege weapon spray sure

[swift river]

Hmm, which Mark for combat shotgun...

[tropic notch]

Dump collat

[tepid otter]

Agripina

[swift river]

The slug?

[tepid otter]

the sloog

[meager echo]

should i use the special bullet or normal bullet with agripina

I rarely use the special bullet, idk if it's good or not.

[calm shard]

special bullet more consistently one shot things but is unnecessary for most enemies

use it on bulwarks/reapers/maulers

[swift river]

Is it bad if I don't have Bring It Down?

[meager echo]

If you don't go for mmf, I think you should have it.

[swift river]

mmf?

[meager echo]

the keystone on the left.

[swift river]

Oh

[calm shard]

Marksman's Focus, left tree keystone

Comically big damage boost to crits/weakspot hits

[swift river]

I suppose I don't really need the extra clip size...

The difference is about 3 seconds of sustained fire...

Alright how's this? Recon Las and Knoife

[obtuse finch]

anyone know a good

plasma gun build

or bolt pistol build

[tepid otter]

Id share mine but im not online atm reeee

[tepid otter]

i think i'd remove grenade tinkerer for onslaught but thats just me

[obtuse finch]

actually

[swift river]

Understandable.

Counter argument.

Grenade Spam.

[obtuse finch]

is the helbore any good? if so, what mark/build should i use

[swift river]

Helbore is great if you can line up your shots right

[mortal aspen]

the left grenade talent is better for spam tho

[swift river]

The IIIa is what I use

[obtuse finch]

nice! what's... the various info bits i should know?

dump stat, best mark, etc

got it thanks!

[tepid otter]

i tend to have a separate build for grenade spams

enjoying grenadier vet atm with the bistol

[swift river]

Dump stat is almost always mobility

On ranged weapons, anyway

[obtuse finch]

it doesnt have it

[swift river]

Oh yea! Ammo

[obtuse finch]

got it, thanks

[swift river]

And that's only cause my build uses Shock Trooper

[swift river]

You're not wrong...

[hollow ibex]

Dump stat for helbore is stability

Not ammo

[swift river]

But the extra grenade damage and radius....

[tepid otter]

choices amirite

[obtuse finch]

god damn it

i just spent 300k rolling

[swift river]

Is it really? It's been a long while since I've used the Helbore...

[tepid otter]

Well, I know i have my dumpstat on helbore is also on ammo

[obtuse finch]

wait

why would it be stability

wouldn't you WANT gun stable for max dmg headshots?

[swift river]

To be fair, the difference in Ammo between 60 and 80 percent is negligible

That's why I dumped Ammo

[mortal aspen]

it's already stable at 60

it barely moves when shooting

[tepid otter]

but can it be.. even more stable?!

[mortal aspen]

troooo

[tepid otter]

, to be fair I barely have ammo issues on a 60 helbore

[obtuse finch]

hm, why not

[tepid otter]

so its prolly a dealers choice kind of thing

[swift river]

I gotta check cause the difference in ammo is not a lot

[obtuse finch]

ill see what i can do to try and make a helbore build

[hollow ibex]

It doesn’t matter

The hitbox is massive on the projectiles

[swift river]

So at 60%, the ammo reserve is 550, at 80% is 630/640?

[hollow ibex]

The decrease in accuracy isn’t even noticeable

[swift river]

So maybe 100

[obtuse finch]

im reminded why i dont make builds. this doesnt feel right

[swift river]

I wouldn't go so top heavy

Most of the perks you want are at the bottom

[fair shale]

0/10 no reciprocity

[swift river]

Yea, at the top I'd keep Confirmed Kill and One Motion

If you're using Helbore

Gotta have One Motion

[tepid otter]

You can remove Exhil and Out for Blood too imo

[swift river]

In the middle, unless you're going full Grenadier you don't need all three grenade perks

[tepid otter]

Only time I take 2 toughness replenishment nodes is when I have Born leader for helping keep toughness healthy for teams in Coherency

[obtuse finch]

hmm, this seems

a bit better

[swift river]

What's your melee?

[obtuse finch]

uhhhh

i have... one melee

!

[tepid otter]

You can get rid of that I think, or move it to the other one

You'll just end up competiting for kills if they can see the outlines too

[obtuse finch]

oh true, i just got both without thinking

[swift river]

I usually keep that one specifically to help my allies

[obtuse finch]

ill swap it out for leave no one behind

i like helping

[tepid otter]

Depends I guess, I usually prefer more uptime with Exec Stance

And it doesnt help if they kill all elites/specialists first before you do

[swift river]

I'd swap Counter-Fire for TBTA, the one on the right. Increases duration

[obtuse finch]

oh good idea, thanks

[swift river]

Counter-Fire can muddy things up sometimes since it highlights grunts

[lost silo]

ok so my new friend just made a build for himself and i'm quite dum dum to review it so can yall check it out and give him feedbacks/suggestions

[tepid otter]

whats his build on it tho

[keen dagger]

Would a Plasma gun with 74% charge rate and 66% thermal resistance be good enough?

[lost silo]

las gun and power sword

[swift river]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[tepid otter]

You dont want charge rate on plasma imo

since you never wanna right click on it

just tap lmb

[swift river]

OOOH, definitely swap out Clip Size for Shock Trooper

If you're running Las, you want Shock Trooper

[keen dagger]

Oh, I thought the ideal was 72% charge rate and 69% thermal resistance

[lost silo]

alr neat

[swift river]

Nice

[keen dagger]

That's what I've seen mostly after searching people's recommendations

[tepid otter]

hmm, dunno about other people but i just got 60 on charge rate as a dump stat to have my other ones on 80

I rarely see people suggest you wanna brace your plasma since you rarely ever need it to from my experience

[swift river]

Again, Counter-Fire is...ok. I'd swap for highlighting ogryns and monstrosities. Also gives longer Duration.

You don't really need all the keystone perks, I'd pick just one. You also don't really need Marksman.

And I say all that cause they might want to try reaching Bring It Down

[tepid otter]

and you build up enough dmg thx to Rising Heat and Gets Hot just tapping away

[lost silo]

alr, forwarding this

[keen dagger]

I see, well, in that case I'll just use charge rate as its dump stat like you suggested

[swift river]

Honestly Counter Fire seems like a trap... It highlights grunts, not elites

[keen dagger]

Thank you very much for the help

[swift river]

Cause elite gunners are already highlighted by the base perk

But maybe that's just me

[hollow ibex]

It’s just to give more reliable options to maintain uptime

Not bad since shooters are super common

[swift river]

But not always in large numbers

[hollow ibex]

It’s aight

Even one gives five seconds more uptime

[midnight wyvern]

shooters are also much more dangerous in havoc

so having someone more incentivized to kill them is always good lol

[burnt pelican]

uhhh I would recommend you dump damage on knife it has the best mobility in the game and 60% damage is like 3 damage off, 10 damage off on heavies

60% mobility is a massive difference to 80% though

[hollow ibex]

Good joke

But a bit overdone

[burnt pelican]

?????????

[hybrid plover]

Don't do this.

[burnt pelican]

for 10 damage?

[hollow ibex]

Must be a Tanner watcher lol

[hybrid plover]

Understand every multiplier that damage is going through

It doesn't end up being just 10 damage.

[burnt pelican]

ill test tmr i have both knives

i run bleed so dmg doesnt matter that much on it but still

sure

[hollow ibex]

Still matters

[narrow frost]

damage scales bleed too iirc

[hybrid plover]

It still does even on bleed builds even if the bleed itself isn't affected.

Because a good chunk of your damage is still coming from the knife and all the crits and weakspot hits

60% mob compared to 80% isn't much when 60% mob already pretty much breaks the game with how fast it is already.

[narrow frost]

knife at 0 mobility probably still better then evis at 80%

[hollow ibex]

And mobility hardly scales

Unlike damage

[tropic notch]

Bait

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/usagi-chiikawa-usagi-chiikawa-fat-usagi-fat-chiikawa-gif-3325766626873846686

yummy bait

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/steam-happy-jerk-stroke-steam-happy-jerk-steam-happy-stroke-gif-11612131169571006425

[tropic notch]

Bleed knife isn’t worth it but it’s good if you’re running piety instead ij

But like

Precog is so good

[hybrid plover]

Bleed knife is unironically good rn

Serrated makes it way more consistent than it used to be.

Especially with bottom right saucing it up even more

[tropic notch]

Oh on vet

Eh

I thought this was zealot chat lol

[crisp oak]

Heyo, what is the optimal falchion blessings/perks?

(don't see it in pins)

[hollow ibex]

Flak/carapace/unyielding

Cranial

Then leakage heatsink or wrath

[crisp oak]

so pretty much same as relic

[hybrid plover]

Also lacerate knife not bad on zealot either with ij as long as you have scourge and the talent that increases damage on bleeding enemies

Since you can guarantee scourge proccing pretty much 100% of the time

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

The blessing pools are pretty much similarly bad

[crisp oak]

whatever mark I stared with, not a fan

[hybrid plover]

Is it the one with the push stab?

[crisp oak]

mk1

[bleak oasis]

Any reason to take exec stance over VoC?

[hybrid plover]

Toughness regen, stun immunity, higher ranged damage and accuracy, shotguns specifically have less spread and significantly higher uptime

[calm shard]

makes you damn near invincible and animorphs veteran into a one man special killing army

[hybrid plover]

Basically, pick your poison. Both are very good right now.

[hollow ibex]

Wallhax too

[calm shard]

oh also gives you access to the 2nd best (and most reliable) boss damage in the game

[hollow ibex]

Can’t forget about that

[bleak oasis]

The toughness regen during the entire duration just feels like the ogryn talent passive tied to a skill

[hollow ibex]

That’s the better one tbh

[bleak oasis]

Though I imagine taking exec stance means your team's overall survivability takes a dip in exchange for dps

[hybrid plover]

Not necessarily

Think of it this way.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I mean you do make up for it by wallhax tho

Kill everything before it’s a threat

[hybrid plover]

Shout can turn the tide of an ugly situation.

Exe stance can prevent that situation from happening.

[hollow ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1431517493914107966/5516D41.MP4?ex=6904f44e&is=6903a2ce&hm=86aeea18a082a0f9305cca759fef1c22a88617c7eaad160473e7a2cc0ffaf7a6&

Also the toughness regen

While in pox gas

Gets quite silly when combined with MMF

[bleak oasis]

How about the funni subnodes for exec? Ogryn wallhax one now worth taking?

And does the ally wallhax one also refresh when exec refreshes?

[orchid hemlock]

I take shooters

Because it helps with keeping up time

Also shooters are very annoying in havoc

Also remember, the ability also resets from melee kills

[sullen scarab]

anyone else feel like the vigilance autogun needs Volley Adept to reload fast enough to keep shooting targets when executioner stance is up lol

[hollow ibex]

It’s not THAT bad lol

[split swan]

Im working on a weapon specialist shredder nade build - anything Im missing here?: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a03a1bbf-0cdb-46af-b03b-ca37f68759a2/ws-shovel-grenadier?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[red robin]

looks good to me

[mystic oak]

Is focus target or weapons specialist better?

[narrow frost]

define better

[mystic oak]

for a melee vet

[red robin]

weapon specialist, as it improves everything you'd want in melee

[narrow frost]

Weapon Special will gives value for survivability and damage, especially for a melee vet

[red robin]

15% attack speed, 10% dodge range and dodge speed

[narrow frost]

with the attack speed and dodge speed

[mystic oak]

also how is the hellbore lasgun? Been tryin to find a good gun for my melee vet, even tho plasma hits like a truck, its a bit too chunky for me

[red robin]

I think helbore is in a fine spot to be a solid pick as a ranged weapon, it can handle carapace well and fry specialists in 1-2 shots

[mystic oak]

how does the recon lasgun do?

[slow sky]

helbore is significantly better for a ranged focused build

[mystic oak]

so not so much for a melee monke?

[red robin]

zarona revolver a neat pick for weapon specialist

[slow sky]

for a melee vet you tend to want something quicker, snappier, that plays well with you being in the thick of it all the time

[split swan]

Appreciate it thank you

[mystic oak]

thick of it? Does everybody know?

[unreal nova]

In the fray.

You want a shotgun, revolver, bistol, recon or like the autogun.

[red robin]

in melee range of enemies where having a ranged weapon out means you're gonna be taking dmg

[slow sky]

if we ignore wep specialist buffs for a sec and apply zealot mentality for a sec
weapons like revolver, laspistol, shredder autopistol, etc arent bad options
but youre a vet so you still get some ranged buffs, so your options are wider, like shotguns, recon, etc

leaning further into weapon specialist, the two that really shine with the talent that reloads your gun by x% per stack rounding up are revolver and double barrel due to their low mag sizes

[unreal nova]

To be fair, on Weapon Specialist, you would want more one shot, one kill on crit gun.

[mystic oak]

ngl, hellbore feels alot like a lever action

[red robin]

chaining melee attacks into ranged specialist/elite picks back into melee chaff clearing is my fav weapon specialist moment

[slow sky]

revolver is good for armor and specialist sniping, the latter is always good for melee builds and it loads 1-2 of its 5 bullets which is nice, as well as the crit helping out its damage and blessings
double barrel gets even more value from that round up, where 1 kill loads 1 of its 2 shells, and it has some crazy blessings with the crit chance you can get too

[red robin]

^

[slow sky]

god i am TRYING MY FUCKING BEST

to not just say "use double barrel" cuz im fucking biased

[narrow frost]

no

[red robin]

i can't blame you

[slow sky]

GRAAAHHH

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/452219191580295168/1392348183438557306/freeze-2.gif

[red robin]

db gameplay too fun

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[tropic notch]

Why aren’t you hitting the head with knife

[mystic oak]

ngl though, im really leaning towards these lasguns, they just feel so good

[red robin]

recon solid, helbore solid, infantry can use some love, las pistol solid

[tropic notch]

Just use flesh tearer

[unreal nova]

You aren't getting 100% headshots with it.

[mystic oak]

Right now im torn between recon and helbore

Recon is great for the hotswapping and flow, but man helbore just feels like a lever action, which im addicted to

[red robin]

onslaught talent pairs well with recon, helbore does well with the brittleness weapon blessing on charge shots

[unreal nova]

You do not onslaught except as memes.

[mystic oak]

is onslaught bad?

[unreal nova]

It's like deadshot+duck and dive combo on recon/autogun.

[red robin]

sry i am just memorizing what ppl said abt recon las gun several months ago

[unreal nova]

Just not worth the ammo outside of malice.

[red robin]

i dont use that gun so idk

[tropic notch]

In Tanner cord they call the db useless, until I told them they are wrong and I got called bad

[red robin]

truly a matyr

[tropic notch]

Tanner had to agree with me then all of a sudden it was good

[red robin]

martyr?

[tropic notch]

[red robin]

idk how to spell

[unreal nova]

If you only play uprising or malice, do whatever. You can 100% range even on those diffs.

[slow sky]

this is what happens when you foster a community of people to deliberately not think for themselves

[maiden wasp]

twink worship is heretical and heresy is a capital offence

[mystic oak]

also, does recon do less damage on weakspot? Or am i insane in the psytraining

[slow sky]

its finesse damage is really low but it is still higher than a body shot

[unreal nova]

No. It does slightly more.

[mystic oak]

so its basically just a spray weapon?

[unreal nova]

You might be comparing crits to base weakspot hits maybe.

[red robin]

more like saturate a target to death with shots

regardless of weapon aim for head when you can

[slow sky]

remember guys
80% dr isnt 80% dr
i cant explain how and dont know the equation for how it is but if you present me with an equation showing how dr i will tell you that you are wrong

[unreal nova]

Is why you don't want onslaught. It eats an entire clip to kill one crusher.

On auric.

[red robin]

i dont use recon so idk what to say abt it

[slow sky]

onslaught is basically for 1 specific use

recon with infernus

[unreal nova]

Even with it, takes too long to kill.

[slow sky]

not for the recon damage
but for the burn damage
the rapid hits cap out the brittleness and the burn capitalizes on it

[unreal nova]

Just pull out tiny stick and stab heds like 3 times.

[slow sky]

its not amazing but its something and it costs almost no ammo and you can do it from any range and just let the damage happen

[mystic oak]

So basically, when in doubt, plasma

[slow sky]

that implies im ever using duelling sword literally ever

[red robin]

give the recon a try

[slow sky]

sorry we have fun around here

[unreal nova]

You also don't shoot crushers with it lul.

[red robin]

dont stick to one weapon

[unreal nova]

Then pull out the beeg but not beeg sword.

[red robin]

dont let others rob you of experiencing trial and error

just have fun with the game regardless of whats optimal

[slow sky]

the shovel is a shovel, not a sword

[unreal nova]

Powersword.

[mystic oak]

alright, ill go test out the helbore, see how it feels in actual combat. Hopefully it has a reduce charge perk or something, cause it feels nice

[red robin]

let your enjoyment of the game grow and refine yourself through that way

[slow sky]

that implies im ever using power sword

sorry, we like to have fun around here

[red robin]

it does have a reduce charge blessing, also another one that applies brittleness too, softens up armor

[mystic oak]

I cant stand power sword, i hate its playstyle

give powersword the new mechanic that the falchion has

[unreal nova]

Fine, pull out the dinky lil shiv.

[slow sky]

the reason the falchion exists as a weapon archetype is so it doesnt completely overwrite the existing powerswords

cuz some people like those somehow

[mystic oak]

idk how. Its such a wack feeling style

[slow sky]

shovel is right there man

[mystic oak]

Turn on > Swing > turn on > swing.

[red robin]

lean less into dodging on powersword, and time required dodges with weaved melee strikes for spacing, there's a tempo of spacing with special active, horde cleave

also weapon specialist makes it feel less immobile

[unreal nova]

Power cycler is a must.

[mystic oak]

imma just use falchion

Id rather it be a mode than that goofy turn on swing

[red robin]

but its survivability is factored more on clearing whats in front of you instead of dodging repeatedly

[slow sky]

which i hate that philosophy cuz it just results in the weapon being stupid overpowered while not being enjoyable to use

[maiden wasp]

not true on maulers. heavily depends on the weapon

[willow prairie]

uh ok

[red robin]

i will hit the carapace armored mauler head everytime on a weak adm weapon regardless

him being there longer is my reward to me

[maiden wasp]

lets be perfectly honest. Veterans as a whole will never be happy with the state of the power sword, but where it is currently is fucking insane.

[slow sky]

it has only recieved nerfs btw