veteran-class

[dusk steppe]

3000 hours over 2.5 years unempolyed? lol if you say so.

[willow prairie]

uh yes

[hybrid plover]

i think they were talking about path

[willow prairie]

also yeah

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[hybrid plover]

also tbf

i have a full time job

[unreal nova]

Path, post your hours.

[hybrid plover]

at 3.1k rn lol

[unreal nova]

Stomp the whelp in.

In sheer playtime, lmao.

[tall torrent]

why

[unreal nova]

Cos funni.

[tall torrent]

no

[unreal nova]

Aww...

[dusk steppe]

@willow prairie I work 60+ or - hrs a week (when i'm not injured/sick - which I am RN and happens sometimes.) try again.

Is it a bait or legit criticism or will you still disregard me as a beta player that knows the class inside and out do you need gameplay footage of a maelstrom (I won't do havoc pub it's too bad RN to solo clear a round in a pub above 25)?

[tall torrent]

U just don’t seem to be someone who knows the class inside out when u keep making inaccurate statements and even had to use someone else’s bad build

[hybrid plover]

That's kind of the take here. You've been pretty declarative that what you speak is factual and yet, there's contradictions. Vet melee carries into havoc 40. If you can't do havoc pubs with that in mind, that's more of a you problem than the class.

[dusk steppe]

I didn't have to use it I used it b/c he criticized how 'weak' and 'squishy' it was which I STILL agree with it was a arbite pubbie that offered the top of the tree literally 3 perks swapped nothing much changed outside of that b/c the new build/tree is Good but the talent arrangement is awful and weak unfortunately and leaves him in a worse off state pre update vs. RN. He just isn't particularly 'good' imo you can prove me wrong p0lay a round with me and either stream it to the discord or record it and upload it - so we can all see how strong it is we can run duo vets 😄 should be a good thing for ppl to see.

[tall torrent]

Sure let’s play

[dusk steppe]

DM me

[tall torrent]

U can just send FS code here it’s whatever

[dusk steppe]

I did.

[tall torrent]

So where is ur FS code

[mortal aspen]

I'm a Sigma player

[hybrid plover]

Ninja Gaiden Sigma?

[willow prairie]

sigmar male

(racist)

[mortal aspen]

[spark helm]

Good game alert ⚠️

[willow prairie]

also he just fucking gone lmao

[tall torrent]

In dms

[willow prairie]

record

[tall torrent]

I have steam record in background

[unreal nova]

I mean, he even said to record. So scoreboard and record works.

[tall torrent]

Still waiting for him to find me his FS code

I don’t have scoreboard

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[dusk steppe]

I just added you record it

[calm shard]

absurd damage juicing with infiltrate it is not practical

[red portal]

I have 400 hours of darktide the last year while also having a full time job. I did pump out over 150 hours while on sick leave though

My assignment is only rank 34 though(washed)

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[red portal]

I know

Being employed sucks though

[tepid otter]

having no money sucks more

[frigid shuttle]

need content to want to put in significant hours of dt tbh

chaos wastes equivalent when, pls

[red portal]

True but I haven't even had the free time to spend my money in months

Like I've legit saved up for a new car in like 3 months

[frigid shuttle]

don't waste money on a new car

[tall torrent]

so far

nothing impressive yet

[frigid shuttle]

just quit job and play dt

[tall torrent]

we just kept losing XD

[frigid shuttle]

and live off the savings

[red portal]

I don't think 15 grand is enough to live off in the long term

Gonna be real champ

[frigid shuttle]

gotta work more then

until early retirement and playing darktide is an option

[spark helm]

Hm.

[red portal]

[red portal]

Post the games in here after.

[frigid shuttle]

is this the toxicity that scoreboard creates?

[red portal]

No this is the toxicity talking mad shit without being able to back it up creates

[tired cargo]

I have just done it! I have completed the veteran penance!!! I have all of them now

[red portal]

My penance game is still lacking gotta go penance hunting eventually 🤮

[unreal nova]

I thought he can solo zealot?

[tired cargo]

I have discovered that the mobius trial is really good for some of the penance for all of the classes since you can get stuff that makes them easier that's not available in the normal game mode

[red portal]

Like nade Regen etc I know

[tired cargo]

the last one I needed to unlock was adapt assassin where you have to get 250 weak point critical kills with Range mastery active

[unreal nova]

More, if you keep boasting about your mad skills, prove it to everyone. He seems to be failing.

[red portal]

Or just enhancements that make brain burst more useable.

[red portal]

Probably got that one allready I play a bunch of weapon specialist

[tired cargo]

yeah stuff like that it's also good if you try to get the going bowling which I'm going to work on now since it should be easier to Funnel more enemies together and then hit them all at once

[red portal]

Auric mercantile is allready easy mode for it

[tired cargo]

it's not that hard to do it's more so time consuming

[unreal nova]

Oggy one is boring hell.

WDYM, I need to hold right trigger for 1 hour straight?

[tired cargo]

I would not say so, because we failed three times in a row like we died at the end.

one of them was really bullshit, I had the range ogren and had all of the good range upgrades you can get and I died because the chaos spawn pick me up right and then the plague ogren could hit me even though I was picked up by the chaos spawn, so I couldn't do anything

[red portal]

Should have dodged better

Anyways I am done being toxic

[tall torrent]

I don't have scoreboard
also we lost all 3 lmao

[distant mural]

Surprise surprise

[red portal]

I mean you were recording?

[tall torrent]

yea

[red portal]

I can just look at him taking damage on the hud and his positioning in game

[tall torrent]

he's alr

avg player?

[dusk steppe]

That's not even what a average pub would play like and it was still absolute garbo like 3/10 performance. its just not good enough to solo.

@tall torrent

[tall torrent]

idk, it wasn't anything out of the ordinary

[red portal]

What were you using anyways?

[tall torrent]

power sword + 3burst vig

lost first 2 cuz I had no kraks and event ogryn spam in corner
lost last cuz dog + he got ledged

[dusk steppe]

DS and bolt gun for last run my first two runs were flops I had psycher/zealot brain on and wasnt prepared to not be good again on vet.

ran plasma the first two runs DS/plas

[tall torrent]

I actually don't know how he died the first 2 games

lol

I can only say what I didn't do well in

[dusk steppe]

@tall torrent saved me once on the first run i think b/c I got overheaded cause I am bad at the game sometimes and I am used to 2 - 3 shotting crushers.

not hitting it 5 times cause I came off of psycher so y'know everything dies.

[red portal]

I would love to witness the chaos but I'm stuck at werk

[tall torrent]

I have full recordings

[red portal]

I am washed on zealot I understand the pain.

[dusk steppe]

@tall torrent I can do some more runs but ngl my head is killing me IRL I am coming down off my hydrocodone for my pain and I am mixing it to alleviate it RN but I can do better than I did - I am just coming off of psycher whish is just a powerhouse.

[tall torrent]

all good get ur rest

[dusk steppe]

@tall torrent it aint bed time yet gotta pump up those sad numbers on vet - did u have true level so you could see my actual level?

[tall torrent]

no

I don't use true lvl

true lvl means nothing

[red portal]

Also path how is the 3x vig with powersword

[tall torrent]

I like this gun a lot

[red portal]

I have no idea about the dodge profile on it

[tall torrent]

top5 vet gun

[dusk steppe]

true - but no worries was just curious if u did

[tall torrent]

oh u just deal with power sword dodge as always

gun itself is cool tho

I'm kinda used to playing low dodge weapons now lol

[red portal]

I like having zarona for dodge distance ngl

[dusk steppe]

@tall torrent it's not good just run plas or revolver or las. it is better in every aspect unfortunately it need a medium buff.

[red portal]

Crutch on zarona dodge

[tall torrent]

sorry but like no disrespect,
don't think ur good enough to tell me wat to run yet

[red portal]

This is entertainment

[tall torrent]

I shouldn't have said that but watever

[red portal]

Pox bursters just fuck me with default powersword dodge I find

[dusk steppe]

@tall torrent maximum disrespect but no seriously it's just a matter of DPS/efficiency man not skill I out skill you but we aren't really playing equivalently; the director and last man standing etc. it is what it is - if you hang in the back and spectate and u r not dead (and the rest of the team is) then u get less spawns in any mode much less event tier mode not maelstrom or havoc lol. it's only slightly above damnation and ramps down the difficulty and specials a substantial amount now unlike in the past where it was intermittent spawns - but u r welcome to show me sometime - where i sit in the back instead!

[red portal]

[tall torrent]

man I've trying to be nicer this whole time but if ur still gonna act like that after those 3 games I think u need to cool off somewhere else lol

I know what last-man-standing does

this doesn't change in any way how u died before me every single game while taking significantly more dmg than me

ur even running VoC for gold toughness

[willow prairie]

scoreboard

powerdi

[tall torrent]

don't have

[dusk steppe]

So why not swap then why not?

[tall torrent]

don't use

[dusk steppe]

You can do it?

[tall torrent]

I like having fun?

[dusk steppe]

me too!

[willow prairie]

do it for the funny

[dusk steppe]

It'll b fun lets swap @tall torrent

[tall torrent]

swap what

[willow prairie]

I don't care about your mental health

[dusk steppe]

You're better - let's swap if you want, as much as you are comftorable with lol since it's a skill issue.

[tall torrent]

swap so I spectate u?

[dusk steppe]

However you deem fit right?

[tall torrent]

I don't have the time for more games rn

[dusk steppe]

Anytime u got me added bud! anytime!

[red portal]

Just Livestream a havoc 40 game lol

[red portal]

With randoms

[dusk steppe]

I don't main vet anymore cause he's kinda trash but I can swap and play him if u want private and we can c the efficiency of the builds head to head in a real match. Vs testing against a solo target in the psychanium xD

@tall torrent

[tall torrent]

yea but like
I already played better than u in all 3 games

what more do u need proof of

[willow prairie]

I mean he have scoreboard

I assume

[tall torrent]

even if he did he wouldn't post

[dusk steppe]

I mean SB wasn't running he just filmed I think I didn't record I can though if you want in the future.

[tall torrent]

I recorded all 3 games

[dusk steppe]

They weren't particularly good gameplay from me these rounds however.

[half path]

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-bowtie-cute-hi-gif-500744924715907421

[willow prairie]

I mean everyone know how he play except you ig

having a bad day isn't a good argument if you don't show your good days lol

[tall torrent]

dm then

[red portal]

Send me it aswell path if you are sending the video.

[dusk steppe]

@willow prairie me or him? I don't typically play vet anymore except for if I am realllllllly bored and want to 'play' when I do I feel pain.

He hasn't been solid since the update or better yet since beta TBH he's just weak now can't really kill much he's mostly on support requiring a team to cover him.

[willow prairie]

alr then

[red portal]

[sly orchid]

Hai pookie

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-facepalm-lmao-gif-15446474421410342464

[mild hill]

lmfao

[sly orchid]

"Out skill you"

[mild hill]

you’re quite funny

[sly orchid]

Just pack it up bro

[half path]

what version of darktide are you playing?

[red portal]

Vet is nearly always gonna be second most DPS in havocs now.

[dusk steppe]

Want the graph of the AI director or the stats for it's spawn rates and difficulty curve based on difficulty??

[willow prairie]

it's bait

[half path]

also last man standing pacing isnt a feature of havoc btw

[sly orchid]

Id rather trust what path says

[dusk steppe]

@normal sparrow That's a fact but we weren't playing havoc we were playing the event tier on auric.

[normal sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[distant mural]

How darw you hes a beta player and outskills us all

[half path]

was just saying cause you mentioned the mode in your yap

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-reynachal-laugh-gif-388410634282931995

[half path]

anyway i think you both need to get a grip

[red portal]

If I was at home I would post some of my vet scoreboards

[normal sparrow]

I dont even know know why you ping me

[distant mural]

Oh lawd the cope is unreal

[sly orchid]

You arent talking about meeeee :3

[red portal]

Vet is not weak

[willow prairie]

I can tell yamato grip is god tier

[red portal]

Probably second or third strongest class currently

[half path]

for once you are not the one yam

[sly orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079235834777186406/1427659954562666516/speed.gif

[autumn ferry]

yeah this is a vet channel moment if ive ever seen one

[red portal]

True

[dusk steppe]

vet's bad ngl. anything BUT vet - can sustain itself over the course of a round almost entirely indepdently or in a comprehensive team - vet laggs behind in every category if you are AMAZING at vet maybe I can see why you would see why vet is strong but he isn't he's kinda bad and has been for a while now.

[tall torrent]

did I do smth wrong again

[silver patrol]

you are all going in too hard on the dude

[sly orchid]

How to win with vet

Grab voc and powersword

[heavy rover]

Helbore

[half path]

id personally argue you are being a bit elitist and its a reason for people disliking you already lol

[tall torrent]

it's a very fair criticism and I'm trying to be nicer to people

[unreal nova]

Thing was, the guy was boasting about being able to true solo.

[tall torrent]

thank u for bringing that up

[sly orchid]

Kez is being a meanie

[tall torrent]

exactly

[unreal nova]

Normal aurics and mid havocs.

[normal sparrow]

Receipts

[silver patrol]

on the other dude

on PKAngel

[tall torrent]

yea he doesn't deserve to get bombarded with insults like that

[dusk steppe]

H40 is a differing mode from mael and lowering havocs though or is that not being publicly discussed yet???

[tall torrent]

just, bad day for him it's whatever

[willow prairie]

yeah true solo on gloriana

[half path]

i dont really know the other guy but it seems to be alot of boasting with no backing it up so eh whatever

just ignore and move on

[dusk steppe]

like it's been years likke is H40 secret still a secret now?

[unreal nova]

You can read the convo around that period of time to hammer in the point.

[dusk steppe]

@unreal nova that's true want to play a actual mael and not the event which is also different from havoc or auric mael?

[normal sparrow]

Im not responsible to provide receipt, the boaster is
Without one its just yapping about nothing

[dusk steppe]

roger o7 reciept will be provided you want a full video? I need a 4th to die and spectate

[heavy rover]

I don't understand this obsession with solo'ing a team based game

[unreal nova]

Maybe pick a normal auric high int stg then? With MMT to ensure the same general mission.

[tall torrent]

spawn seeds are still gonna be diff

[unreal nova]

You mean them? I would watch tbh. Ainz solos are fun.

[willow prairie]

weave when

[unreal nova]

Closest you can get though sadly.

If they let you have access to full seed data, would be more fair.

[dusk steppe]

@heavy rover ngl idk but it was a question I was asked and I gave a accurate answer based on what I think i'm capable of; not what I have done. - and these people conflated the two to try to 'prove a point' I "THINK" I can complete a auric mael solo as well as a havoc >mid 20's solo the issue is a teamate ramping up the difficulty due to the directors additional spawns.

[red portal]

Above havoc 30 the director gives you the same spawns regardless of teamates.

[normal sparrow]

Saw and learn some from him, dont have the mood to solo these days tho
https://youtu.be/E-rzvMgacfo?si=Ak6ZAB5T6zUbk9ll this happens

[tall torrent]

I asked it because to have a such a strong opinion on the power lvl of a class I'd expect them to be good enough at said class

[half path]

hi its me im anti path opinions :3

[unreal nova]

I personally know I lack the reflexes nowadays to try.

[tall torrent]

I appreciate the way u keep telling me that I can always do better

[half path]

im very to the point i dont see a reason to not tell people how i feel

or maybe thats the autism

[normal sparrow]

That dog ignore my shout

[dusk steppe]

skill issue.

[normal sparrow]

Come back with solo receipts

[unreal nova]

Lul. That's just bs. Usually they ignore my pushes so shout best push button.

[normal sparrow]

Can argue ping, but this is solo so ping isnt the issue, even the shout is on cd

[red portal]

The dog is stagger immune cause it got staggered by the bomber nade

Is my hypothesis

[dusk steppe]

Latency it happens across all classes sometime specials ignore hits shouts and pushes (pushes not as often) b/c of the skill window/timing it's awful and b/c the game has so many hitregs and skill (push/stun which is open until it registers (or doesn't)) windows sometimes it never registers if u have bad frames or latency. happens to me consistently due to skipping frames randomly even with 'solid' hardware. it's a code/framewor/engine issue.

[unreal nova]

Thus, bs'd.

[unreal nova]

True solo is local machine though, so ping latency doesn't exist. It can also make the game harder since the lag compensation from 50 ping to 150 ping is pretty okay.

300 ping is throw everything out the window except your faith.

[red portal]

Ping comp can go both ways

[unreal nova]

At 280+, You either somehow take no damage till you do and then die horribly or play a game where 0 damage stagger is real.

Because I don't think walkers should still be alive after swinging at them 17 times.

[dusk steppe]

frames - the game tries to resync even locally - so unfortunately it's just a game issue. I'll test it now to double check but that 'used' to be the case in the earlier game unless they worked on things significantly. If you lost frames - you lost whatever you were doing, and you'd have to recover, the game still 'flowed' like normal your inputs just wouldn't register everything else (after less than a second) would still move normally you'd just hitch and lose whatever it was you were doing until you recover the frames client side/locally.

That's a part of y ppl die regardless of if they r connected or not and disconnect the next second.

[unreal nova]

A reason to turn off DLSS other than the fact it was the cause of the explosion stutters.

[dusk steppe]

Good call - was that the issue? I didn't know - that helps a bit.

[unreal nova]

Oggy boxes of boom causes stutters.

I turned off DLSS and it went to like 10 fps loss instead of whatever it was to 0.02 fps.

For the entirety of the box. GL in Mortis.

I'll be an ammo dispenser in the corner.

[dusk steppe]

running a 5070 that's wild it used to KILL my 2080ti in my old PC in this 1 I still lose frames with triple the specs lol and it still crumple this PC sometimes and I get random stutter to 5fps for ~ 3-7 seconds randomly like my gpu is dumping memory to continue.

[unreal nova]

So I now just tell ppl to try turning off frame gen.

Can't hurt. Worst case is you play at lower fps for a run.

Best case, you still get lower fps, but it's stable lower.

Not 7 to 144 fps.

[ember nest]

How many dodges can PS get at max

[dusk steppe]

I don't mind as long as I can hold ~ 50 - 60. anything below and I am in danger a large frame drop and I am 100% getting overheaded or caught wo any ability to react and that's my life RN.

[unreal nova]

I hit that range with DLSS off so I keep it off.

Better than crazy arse ping pong.

[dusk steppe]

@unreal nova I'll try that out hopefully that fixes things I tried to allocate more RAM but it just started eating everything instead of crashing the game it now just drops me to like 5 frames for a few seconds b4 I can continue to play properly.

[unreal nova]

I basically found out my PC hated DLSS from running Cyberpunk lul. A mod told me to turn it off to fix flickers. Somehow ended up with better fps.

[dusk steppe]

sometimes ragers were coming at me with undodgeable/blockable comboes in groups and it was GG with low FPS or a crusher and my frames tank b/c of more spawns or a large swarm and my frames tank and it'd b GG.

[unreal nova]

The RAM thing also depends on the mods you use. I know ppl who restart their game often because they use heavy mods.

[cosmic sundial]

Is there a veteranomicon?

[unreal nova]

Ask @tall torrent for it.

[dusk steppe]

@unreal nova I'll let you know how it goes. RN my DT isn't patched so no mods vanilla I usually only run 3 /4mods. SB etc - only companion mods to give more info on the outcome of a round nothing to 'cheat' the game itself so the game itself is basically vanilla.

not even a HUD.

[unreal nova]

May or may not work for you. My PC is known to be a little 'special'. And not in a good way.

[tall torrent]

this game unfortunately runs like ass without DLSS

I also use 2x frame gen

[unreal nova]

Path, Wat.

[tall torrent]

the 1%low fps is horrid

[dusk steppe]

This is a pre - built; so don't get me started this thing is cheeks I regret myy purchase I shoulda built 1 but don't have the time 😭

[unreal nova]

I actually get better performance without DLSS.

[heavy rover]

Pins should have a link to a word doc called Hammer of the Emperor. It's a bit outdated, but it's still pretty good. A more updated version will be posted in the future

[tall torrent]

and the game is also very cpu dependent

[tall torrent]

if u have specific questions u can ask

[unreal nova]

I know my CPU is antique.

[dusk steppe]

my cpu is MASSIVE for this prebuilt its a ryzen high mid tier.

[tall torrent]

then prob consider DLSS + FG

[heavy rover]

Watch AMD drop dual 3D v-cache CPUs and still have the game demand more

[tall torrent]

even tho it's FG is cringe and what not it does work fairly well for this game

[unreal nova]

Ninth gen i7. Antique. It's the bottleneck.

[unreal nova]

Path, that low is from using DLSS.

[dusk steppe]

Yeah I am googling my CPU should b crushing this game (based on specs/experience in my other PC which unironically ran it better unless it crashed out)so I don't think that's the bottlneck.

[unreal nova]

I literally get 49-70 FPS in havoc 40 with it off.

On is anywhere from 14 to 90.

[cosmic sundial]

Ok thanks

[unreal nova]

I don't even know why, but is what it is and fixed boxes of boom stutters on top.

[dusk steppe]

I may record a full round so u can c what I am experiencing it's awful like randomly at any RANDOM point i drop down to like 5fps and have to completely try to readjust (if I am not dead) or the game slows down and the enemies speed up and I can't really defend/attack.

[unreal nova]

Is FatShark coding so... try every setting.

Even if it works the same for Cyberpunk.

[dusk steppe]

I just try dodging xD it works 50% of the time every - time. (arguably 80% of the time).

[dusk steppe]

I'll re-up you l8er gonna take a nap my meds are wearing off I need to nap b4 they come off completely so I am not in agonizing pain i'll talk 2 u l8er and update u and I won't come here and say vet sucks (b/c it does) but u have been helpful / cool thanks a lot.

[unreal nova]

Honestly, vet doesn't suck. Was just worst due to too much taxes. And laters.

[tall torrent]

could be worker threads?

[willow prairie]

I just use dlss because modern anti aliasing is ass

and i can afford it

[unreal nova]

Oh. I just use the best AA it lets me. Looks good enough, this isn't Cybersmut 2077 anyway.

[willow prairie]

dlss 4 is good tho

[unreal nova]

Not when performance mode gave me a low of 7 fps.

[tall torrent]

dlss4's antialiasing effect is some dark voodoo magic

[willow prairie]

idk what you're playing on

[tall torrent]

performance mode is fps-oriented

[unreal nova]

Yes, so getting a low of 7 fps on it is like...

I get the lowest with it off at 49 fps.

And this havoc is extra bs.

[tall torrent]

ur pc needs help lol

[distant mural]

Guys question

[meager echo]

does pc hardware or in game config fix the "out of memories" bug. I have it most of the time if I run the game for too long.

[distant mural]

How many dodges max has p-sword?

Im questioning myself

[unreal nova]

Don't ask me, I can't afford that for some time. It works, it's jank and apparently it hates DLSS to the core.

[cosmic sundial]

Why does my veteran not have access to auric bruh I’ve done auric missions on her before

[unreal nova]

Maybe I should see if I have other games with that option so I can turn it on and off to see how it runs.

[unreal nova]

What level?

Did you play with someone else as well?

Cos friends with auric unlocked can drag you there.

Lvl is more, most chars that are maxed out before that update got grandfathered into not needing to grind to auric.

Cos pretty sure I never play psyker or oggy in aurics.

[tall torrent]

3

[unreal nova]

That's just memory leaks at work. Vanilla, you can usually play like 6-8 runs before you can see the lag.

[autumn ferry]

i only had OOM issues when i had my game modded to hell and back without that launch option to give mods more ram to play with

[willow prairie]

there a limit of 2048 iirc

can't set it higher

[mortal aspen]

no

it's the best dlss
but it's still Dlss and it's ass

[willow prairie]

it doesn't change the fact that its the only good "anti aliasing" option in modern game

also hardware locked

until fsr 4 public

[mortal aspen]

the best AA is increasing resolution

[willow prairie]

supersampling have massive performance tax

[mortal aspen]

except of course games are unplayable these days even on native

[willow prairie]

bruh

[cosmic sundial]

30

[mortal aspen]

I miss the days when aliasing wasn't an issue

and games still looked great

[autumn ferry]

i love booting up a game from a couple years ago and it looks good and runs well and all is fine and dandy

now i boot up mh wilds and it can barely fucking run

[willow prairie]

I mean we can talk about how in some game "native" isn't actually native and how rendering changed making actually good older aa like msaa not possible but sure

[autumn ferry]

despite looking barely any better than world did

[unreal nova]

Then maybe a friend brought you there. Because for newer chars, you need grind your way there.

[willow prairie]

smaa is your only option nowadays if you don't want your game to look blurry as fuck or use taa

but it still isn't perfect

[cosmic sundial]

She isn’t new though lol

I made her the day the game came to Xbox

[willow prairie]

and again supersampling isn't a good aa option

[unreal nova]

I wonder if you just didn't play enough for it. But that wouldn't explain my oggy having auric access.

[mortal aspen]

DSR is the best "AA" if you can run it

maybe combined with FXAA

some mild AA that doesn't blur much

[cosmic sundial]

Idk DT weird

[unreal nova]

FS at work as usual.

[willow prairie]

yeah ofc its the best option for jaggies but comparing performance tax vs other it isn't worth it unless you have shitload of money or playing old games

that what im saying

[cosmic sundial]

Facts

[tall torrent]

Best antialiasing is DLAA imo

[willow prairie]

yeah which is dlss without the downsampling part

[unreal nova]

Bug fixing is throwing darts with a very drunk person.

[willow prairie]

we're talking about non dlss option

also i find dlaa unnecessary with dlss 4 tbh

[heavy rover]

Damn do I feel called out

[tall torrent]

I think I used MSAA a lot

[willow prairie]

I really can't notice it plus extra performance

[tall torrent]

Multisampling

4x

[mortal aspen]

DSR + frame Gen also works ok

frame Gen x2 for Darktide works well, I don't notice it as much as I do dlss/dlaa blur

[willow prairie]

thing about framegen has alway been latency

even if you have high base frame rate

[tall torrent]

Yes

But if u can get high enough framerate with FG it doesn’t feel as bad

[unreal nova]

But what if it's just as spicy lul.

[willow prairie]

It might be just me but fg with below 90 fps base feel awful

especially in something like dt

[unreal nova]

Not you tbh. Is why I found it better to just turn it off and deal with 50 fps.

[tall torrent]

DT’s frame gen is weird

Also DT implements FSR and DLSS frame gen differently

[mortal aspen]

Dlss also ups the latency by a lot

[tall torrent]

For some reason

[unreal nova]

I tried all combos and off feels best.

[tall torrent]

I have no idea why

[willow prairie]

dlss increase latency?

first time i heard about it

[tall torrent]

Input lag I think

But it’s not huge

[willow prairie]

fg is best when you have at least 60 fps and can maintain 60 real fps

[tall torrent]

DLSS + FG + reflex is roughly the same as native no FG no reflex

[unreal nova]

Could be bad with how FS shoddy code eats inputs already before that.

[willow prairie]

but for me it still noticable

[tall torrent]

I push for 240fps on DT with FG lol

[unreal nova]

Honestly cpu locked for more real FPS. GPU settings changes little.

[tall torrent]

Srsly tho after u play 200+ fps (even with FG) on DT with 100+ VFOV it’s hard to go back

[willow prairie]

i also cap my fps using rtss but I don't think it make much of a difference compare to ingame fps cap latency wise

and its better frame time

[unreal nova]

But if your screen only shows up to 144, won't help as much bar smoothness?

[tall torrent]

It still helps with input feel

[willow prairie]

also this lol I can't figure why does non fg dlss increase latency

if anything it DECREASE latency due to more fps

[tall torrent]

I can actually tell if I do 200cap vs 240cap

[unreal nova]

DLSS barely hits 120 for most parts and I need to stare at walls for 140+.

And no, going into h40 is 90 tops at the start.

[tall torrent]

DLSS algorithm adds a bit of input lag but it’s not huge

[willow prairie]

offset by fps gain ig

[tall torrent]

I do think if u can push like 180+fps with FG it’s worth to go for

The fluidity is unmatched even if u get some extra latency with FG

[atomic void]

the only way for me to make this game run good is by using mods that make it look like its in alpha

games hates amd cpus ig

[past stratus]

Can I get a link to a standard build in the current patch? I want to check if there are nodes that I overlooked while making my own build

[past stratus]

ty

[willow prairie]

don't run one motion

grenade tinkerer is optional

mandatory on krak

[past stratus]

One Motion is pretty good for Helbore and grenades right? I know enough not to use on builds that don't rely heavily on those

[toxic reef]

why don't you like one motion

[willow prairie]

because it is useless

outside boltgun

helbore you can just ads cancel

longshot is free ranged damage

[past stratus]

that's fine, I understand that. Like I said, I only use one motion to smooth out builds with slow weapons such as boltgun and such

[willow prairie]

so for ws build its more like this

[umbral scaffold]

what kind of build is this?

[past stratus]

Can I ask why krak is the default choice for grenades? When I last played it wasn't useful outside of the leveling period before you got guns good enough to kill big threats. Does that have to do with the increased HP for enemies in the latest patches?

[toxic reef]

it got stronger and shorter fuse

• you can carry one more

[past stratus]

ah that does make sense

[toxic reef]

it's not default tho, any grenade is viable

[willow prairie]

the smart way to build weapon specialist

unironically

[past stratus]

yeah I use smokes often too depending on my setup, just surprised krak is recommended at all

[tall torrent]

Longshot is situational pick based on gun

I think one motion usually better for most weapons + u can throw nade faster

[past stratus]

ohh bath build, ty ty

[umbral scaffold]

I'll save that and try it when I get this penance I need done. I've been wanting to make a build centered around being the basic boots on the ground guardsman.

[past stratus]

I'm mostly surprised by serrated blade, the rest of the nodes seem to be older known nodes that were useful back when I played

[tall torrent]

Serrated + sunder power sword is nice for mixed horde clear

Swing 5 times = everything has 10 bleed stacks

[past stratus]

also I assume that VoC isn't the go to option anymore, since it seems like ES got a beefy buff

[tall torrent]

Both abilities are good

[past stratus]

ok, thats nice. I can probably use that with a long range build. Is MF good now? It seems good from what I read

[toxic reef]

I have a vraks exec stance WS build that's me cosplaying CoD lol

MF is very nice ye

since no movement restrictions

[past stratus]

yeah that is great, sad to see that the nodes from WS didn't improve enough to be worth getting

I like the gameplay loop on them

[toxic reef]

the reload clip one is nice on stuff like DB or plasma

but not needed on most guns

the rest I wouldn't bother with

[past stratus]

yeah I like that one but we got a lot of really good nodes accessible now so I understand why people wouldn't take em

[grand perch]

Toughness on weapon swap subnode is great

I always take it with ws build

[tall torrent]

Opportunity cost is too much

[toxic reef]

ye it's too occasional

and having to spend stacks for 20% toughness in a pinch is not it

[grand perch]

Though that shouldn't stop you when you want a headshot focused ranged build

[grand perch]

It's... Really it

[toxic reef]

idk, my iron will uptime is really high and I'd rather pop an ability for instant toughness

[past stratus]

I see, I saw we got some stamina regen nodes. Is deadshot still a meme?

[toxic reef]

no I've seen ppl run it

depends on how much you ads in exec stance tho

[past stratus]

did they buff Veteran's base stats at all btw? Or are we still the same asthmatic class?

[toxic reef]

better stamina regen delay

easier to reach 25 toughness nodes as well

but ye I always run 3 stam on vet for melee

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

[past stratus]

alright, I think that pretty much covers all the questions I had, I'll probably tinker around other nodes I enjoy such as field improv and smoke grenades. See if I can tweak builds around without losing too many good nodes

[tall torrent]

Yes
10% crit chance
0.75s stam regen delay
Suppression immunity

[toxic reef]

if you're on PC I'd recommend clear smoke mod if you're going smoke

[past stratus]

suppression immunity is big I noticed it when I played

[tall torrent]

Nah WS’s toughness node is great

Genuinely top tier

[past stratus]

I barely see my own smoke as is man, if anything I wish they at least put a marker on the ground to help me see the limits of my smoke

[tall torrent]

The only case I think it’s not as good of a choice is if u already use exe stance

Cuz exe + CK is basically inf toughness for playing the game

[toxic reef]

that's what clear smoke mod does

and allows you to see through it

[past stratus]

I think it is transparent enough but the markers are good, I'll look into it

[toxic reef]

I view it as a mini bubble

[past stratus]

because more than once I have ran out of my smoke and got one shot by the new laser guys

those guys are crazy btw

[toxic reef]

it also shows when it's starting to run out

the outline pulse in size the last seconds

plasma gunners are easier than at launch at least

they fit in quite well, albeit a bit rare

[past stratus]

idk how I feel about it, I don't mind the difficulty I just think that gameplay wise they don't add anything

snipers do the same thing basically

but thats just my first impressions

[tall torrent]

They’re shotgunner pro max plus

[past stratus]

thats a good way of describing them

I have to get used to it, Im sure they have some sort of mechanic I can look at to predict their shots

[toxic reef]

ye they both eat toughness

[past stratus]

learn their voice lines as well to know when they are around

[toxic reef]

they do now

they have similar charge up as sniper

and eyes and weapon always glow

[past stratus]

do they shine before attacking you like the other ranged units?

[tall torrent]

Just pay attention to red glow on them

Also shoot body instead of head vs them

[toxic reef]

they don't shine as early as reg gunners

but they make a big charge up sound

[past stratus]

I see I see, I'll probably die a bunch before I learn but I guess thats just part of the fun

[slow spade]

Also plasmas do not have to hit you to apply debuffs

So try extra hard to not get hit while fighting them

[distant mural]

I agree thats a good take

[surreal rune]

plasma gunners seem too close to shotgunners albeit much more ranged capable

i thought that they would have a friendly fire mechanic

or such, avoiding shooting friendlies or shooting through certain mobs

except they dont have such behavior or effect on friendlies

from what ive seen

[slow spade]

They really should just because it'd be funny to see them bowling ball their allies

[hollow ibex]

vraks is quite the silly weapon

this is without onslaught

[rancid dragon]

Jump scare tide

[bold sierra]

@hollow ibex I tried Agripana cshotgun Exec Stance again today on havoc 40 with cranial + stimms. Honestly fucking goated setup ngl

u right tho, Agripana is probably wayyyy better for MMF exec stance than Zarona. It's so much less consistent to get headshots with zarona, and the extra unyielding dmg is not that big of a difference

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I really hate the spread on Zarona

Even while in ADS

With ES lol

[bold sierra]

it's good if you dont got to get headsho0ts with it ig, and it has higher stagger value than Agri on normal shots I'd say, you need Man-Stopper to stagger crushers and stuff more consistently with Agri.

I was using Flechette with Zarona + No Respite, even on Rotten Armor it was dealing like 200-300 dmg bleed ticks on Crusher

[calm shard]

were you not using manstopper with exe shotguns before?

[bold sierra]

before Bound By Duty? No, I was only ever running with Agripana be4 with zealot. I was using the 20% dmg on all pellets hit + No Respite. Before Zealot had that 30%+ impact node which was enough to stagger Crushers and knock them down in 2 slug hits before.

I only started runnign Agripana Exec stance vet in H40 like 2 days ago lol, cuz I saw Sirosky's build

I should try more exec stance with different weapons, it's good shit

before this, I only tried it with inf lasgun, bolter and helbore

[calm shard]

vraks infantry autogun

[bold sierra]

yes

[meager echo]

This is so true, play arbi = instant reject.
You don't have the chance to prove anything in hongkong .

[serene bough]

This is interesting

[meager echo]

Based on my experience, this is a thing in hongkong. Title, frame, insignia and true level doesn't matter. Arbi = reject.

[serene bough]

I dont think people are too keen to pick arby on NA either

They're powerful but dont bring much team support

[cosmic sundial]

Does PA mean push away?

[mortal aspen]

Push attack

[tall torrent]

it's super strong for solo/duo
team value is not as high as og tho

[steel veldt]

trying out Plasma for the first time

any advice for it?

that aren't "don't overheat lol"

Like do I need to be big brained to use Plasma

[mortal aspen]

left click

[hollow ibex]

Just left click spam

Don’t shoot crushers

[steel veldt]

why not right click then left click btw

[hollow ibex]

Or carapace or bosses in general

[steel veldt]

since it does 1645 damage

[hollow ibex]

Lower dps

[steel veldt]

got it chief thank you

[hollow ibex]

More ammo consumption

[scenic oracle]

I use melee vet with it, very fun

[trim badger]

I mean back when he was introduced, after I grinded back to 40 I let some arbites in

Absolute dogshit

[devout geyser]

A full squad of tank arbitrators is insane to witness

[trim badger]

Arbites players somehow were absolute dogshit

Even when using the mega OP class

Since then I mostly end up rejecting most Arbites right away

I gotta see a really really good build to even consider letting Arbites in

[devout geyser]

That’s fair, most randoms suck

[meager echo]

I let everyone take anything in my H40 lobbies, including shroud. But most don't do that.

[trim badger]

I don't mind accepting offmeta stuff

It's just when I see an Arbites, with a shit build (which they will 90% of the time)

I can't just not assume they got carried through auric and Havoc because of the class

[serene bough]

Yeah this is my feeling too

[trim badger]

And not because of their effort

[serene bough]

I see more shock mine arby though with the intro to rotten armor

[steel veldt]

Does plasma destroy shields btw

[trim badger]

Tanner video too

[serene bough]

I dont watch tanner

[trim badger]

No but it fires through them (can't bit headshots when doing this)

[trim badger]

Most Arbites who want to join my party tend to have that build now xddd

[fair shale]

Whats the tanner arb build?

[trim badger]

Whereas NOT A SINGLE SOUL used Relentless Strikes before

[steel veldt]

So that's why it's good on Twins

[trim badger]

Now apparently every single Arbites who want to join in my party

Has relentless strikes

[trim badger]

It doesn't shoot through void shields tho

Just bulwarks

[meager echo]

Just take thunderous and be the ogryn at home

[trim badger]

Also plasma into twin is only good on knocking them down

Hit a headshot, they fall on the floor, shred them with melee

[steel veldt]

ah

[trim badger]

I swear I did send a video of me doing this before

[tall torrent]

does negligible dmg through shield

[trim badger]

Yes

I still like to shoot purple bulwark if no nade tho

[rancid dragon]

Awooga

I’m here

[tall torrent]

I think it's good idea to save kraks for when they're actually needed now

[meager echo]

The only thing stop arbi from being great is gold toughness. If gold toughness doesn't exist, the class will be meta.

[trim badger]

It's fine you get 4 of them 8)

(yes I'll save dw)

[trim badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1403828132406100019/almost_no_hit.mp4?ex=6901c794&is=69007614&hm=2b2866342542c29e53755bb236985d0eb65d7bd6873aa24079c03313fbf3c8b1&

Yeah just shoot the stupid melee twin and they'll fall flat like the idiot they are

[tropic halo]

Huh did not know captains and twins had carapace

[tall torrent]

that hud is disgusting

[tropic halo]

and graphics smh

[tall torrent]

also pls change crosshair in interface settings lol

[trim badger]

Haters of efficiency

[tall torrent]

nothing efficient abt it

just pure bloat

[devout geyser]

I just run a stagger tank arbities and shove them and they fall over

[steel veldt]

Wow goddamn

[tall torrent]

use rapid fire or dot

the rest are ass

[trim badger]

Wdym pure bloat

[tall torrent]

Literal

[meager echo]

Bro really said, he saw zealot out dmg the flame psyker.

[devout geyser]

Must’ve been an incompetent flame psyker

[trim badger]

Name something that is a bad thing being there

And/or distracting

[tall torrent]

Literally everything lol it blocks so much view in the center

[trim badger]

I can still see clearly tho

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s still mega bloated lol

[meager echo]

No one using it in HK.

[trim badger]

It's interesting how I rarely see Zealots using DS in Havoc anymore

[narrow frost]

Twins are like maulers

But unarmored limbs

[serene bough]

Im torn on this bc they regen so quickly

[narrow frost]

And captains are all flak

[tropic halo]

always thought were unyielding

[narrow frost]

Nuh uh

[serene bough]

Its RNG but there's so many kills at a time that kraks regen pretty consistently

[tall torrent]

I think it’s a good idea to save 1 just for bulwarks’ bs

[trim badger]

For some reason 50% of zealots I see wanting to join a havoc party

Use Thunder hammer now

[serene bough]

Yeah 1 krak for bulwark is a good idea

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-it's-peak-cat-it's-coal-its-peak-its-mid-gif-12295099395828911145

[meager echo]

I see less zealot after new tree, 2nd vet is more popular.

[tall torrent]

Because zealot’s gimmick rn over other classes is boss skip (if they don’t chorus)

But it’s like the least useful gimmick overall

[trim badger]

Yes because vet is better at melee than Zealot is

[serene bough]

Or sometimes ill spend on monstro +captian combo to get space

[trim badger]

I mean he already was BEFORE the rework

But now the gap is even wider xfdd

[meager echo]

Yeah the only reason for zealot to exist is chorus. No one need a selfish dps in the team tbh.

[trim badger]

Somehow I still do more than dedicated Boss Skippers

My trusty DS on Zealot...

Book n everything

(and beloved bolter)

[serene bough]

The worst is when youre stuck trying to catch up in mobility with a speedy zealot

[tall torrent]

Damage number on scoreboard is just a matter of who got to hit what

It’s not a good indicator of performance

[trim badger]

I know

[tall torrent]

But yea I think zealot’s gimmick is not that interesting

[trim badger]

I care most about damage taken if anything

[serene bough]

May be a skill issue for me but I feel a lot of my deaths come from being abandoned with low mobility

[trim badger]

And weakspot rate

Cuz I need my ego to remain intact

If I see anything below 70% when using knife/ds I'll kill myself

[tall torrent]

If ritual was still a thing then boss skip would be more useful

But currently mixed horde + special spam is just more dangerous

[meager echo]

It's a loadout problem, I guarantee you that. I used to ask how to stay alive as vet in this discord.

[serene bough]

PS6 is just not mobile

[tall torrent]

But that’s kinda always been the case

[trim badger]

I still perform better as book zealot than your average havoc 40 vets and zealots

[serene bough]

Get caught without voc against a blue rager and its gg

[trim badger]

Idk if that means I'm good or that they're trash

[tall torrent]

Also not a good metric

[rancid dragon]

How’s everyone

[trim badger]

I know

[serene bough]

Problem is, when people are just speeding around with DS/knife you tend to get left behind in the dust if you run PS6

[meager echo]

That only happen in auric. Once you are in havoc, there is no place to hide. You only spawn more enemies.

[tall torrent]

Running ahead with DS/knife in havoc is like actively throwing lol

[serene bough]

Im aware. Which is why I'm frustrated w/ recent pugs ive been in

Cant control randoms though so just venting

[tall torrent]

Havoc’s just been getting worse over time

Only ever had 1 good modifier added

And it’s not playable now

Badly designed mode and somehow still gotten worse over time

[serene bough]

I was ok with the yellow/red/purple rotation

[trim badger]

I think the era of pink + red was the most fun

[serene bough]

Current rotten/purple/stim is actually the worst

[trim badger]

Yellow was ass and needed to be removed I'm glad they did

[tall torrent]

Red is the only ever good havoc mutator

Every other havoc mutator has been some degree of bad / unfun

[serene bough]

More or less agree

[trim badger]

I don't think rotten armor / stims are bad mutators

The issue is that both of them are about resistance

And paired with pink is pure cancer

[serene bough]

I like rituals but its so buggy

[tall torrent]

Rot armor as a concept is ok if uncanny was obliterated

[trim badger]

Truth nuke

[serene bough]

Rotten armor with the recent buff to crushers is trolling imo

[meager echo]

RA and stimms are the worst. From 30mins to 40mins average run time. It's tedious.

[trim badger]

Why can't we have armor work just like Vermintide 2 does it :((((

[tall torrent]

Stim is just

Horrid design

[trim badger]

I love the idea it's just that the effects they choose feel very random

[serene bough]

I couldn't even tell you what the other 3 stims do I just know if there's blue stim RNG youre fucked

[trim badger]

Ok I get it red stim makes them deal more damage! Yeah that sounds about right

[tall torrent]

The idea is ok but the effects are horrid

[trim badger]

Blue stim would make them faster right..?

Right..?

[tall torrent]

Blue is bs

Green is bs

[trim badger]

no get fucked carapace override

[meager echo]

blue one is immortal elite the other stimms do nothing.

[tall torrent]

The other ones don’t do nothing

[trim badger]

Exactly ssadasadad

[tall torrent]

Green is kind of trolling

[trim badger]

They should be a lot more simple and standardized...

[tall torrent]

Havoc mutators overall are just bad

Just like BL3 mayhem mode’s modifiers

[trim badger]

Red should be stagger immunity alone

Blue should be faster movement speed and slightly faster attacks speed

Green should be full heal with a mini nerfed version of purple (300 hp/s instead of 1200)

Yellow should be only exclusive for gunners and it should basically turn them into scab radio operators

[tall torrent]

And havoc itself is very poorly designed in structure

[trim badger]

I miss scab radio operators...

[dreamy scaffold]

recommended perks for recon las?

[meager echo]

Doing it one time to beat ridiculous combo like purple + ra is fun.
But playing h40 over and over again is just tedious.

[serene bough]

I dont find enjoyable even the first time

Bloated HP elite armor spam is just annoying

And for some reason rotten armor gives ranged damage reduction

[tall torrent]

I don’t mind the ranged armor reduction that much but psyker can still cheese it

[meager echo]

The ammo eco is so bad in havoc, I don't even want to shoot elite gunners.
It make more sense to just throw smoke and melee them.

[tall torrent]

Soulblaze + uncanny

[trim badger]

Depends on the weapon thh

Plasma, helbore, recon

I'll shoot them all day

[serene bough]

Why hasn't uncanny been nerfed yet

🙂

[meager echo]

I don't shoot elite that much tbh. Most bullets are save for specialist.

[trim badger]

Because Fatshark is scared of the negative reviews

[narrow frost]

I just found out a few days ago that force push always hit the head. So with uncanny just push 5 times

[meager echo]

I only use plasma gun.

[trim badger]

If your plasma can 1 shot Havoc 40 gunners

Then I'd suggest just shooting them

[craggy fern]

Weapon Customization is hidden on nexus mod and I can't find the new files here on discord. can anyone point me in the right direction?

[hollow ibex]

High skill gameplay

[narrow frost]

And force push has an insane range

Shriek then push 5 times

Boom

Mixed horde evaporated

[tall torrent]

If u can build for 1 taps it’s still ok
But if u gotta shoot twice with plasma then yea it’s better to rush them into melee as a team

[trim badger]

I love marksman still....

I know everyone dropped it

[tall torrent]

I just play exe stance now

[trim badger]

In favour of agile Engagement

But I'll always love you my beloved marksman

You make my DS goated

Boss extermination just one pointing away

[sharp epoch]

yup shout got gutted

[tall torrent]

I think it's still good for making space in a pinch

but

exe + CK is literal inf toughness + wallhack on every enemy

it's just so nice

[trim badger]

???

Define gutted lol

"instead of having 15s of godmode now I just have 10..."

[sharp epoch]

it was both the nerf to tactical awareness and that

[trim badger]

It's still the best ability tho

[sharp epoch]

no its not lol

[trim badger]

And very easy to farm in Havoc/Auric still

[trim badger]

wdym it's not

With how insane vet raw melee damage is rn

[sharp epoch]

exe stance got buffed and wasnt affected by tac awareness nerf

you can run melee vet with exe stance literally and its better

[trim badger]

That doesn't exactoy put exec above shout tho

[tall torrent]

I think it's at best equal

[trim badger]

Becaue having stagger on demand against enemies who try to overwhelm you is still goated

[tropic notch]

Hai path

[trim badger]

10s of overhead/sniper/burster immunity is goated

For your entire team btw

And in Havoc it just takes around 15-20s to get

[meager echo]

I often find the number of gunners is too much to handle with ranged weapons only. And having to reload the plasma gun is really bad in a high-intensity environment.

[trim badger]

Hell, a lot less even

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent vror carried me in havoc was embarrassing

[trim badger]

Ye, that's why you make your shots count and abuse the reload tech

[tropic notch]

[sharp epoch]

or use exe stance to one shot gunners

[tall torrent]

wat am I supposed to say to that

[meager echo]

yeah even with the reload tech, I don't want to deal with specialist. That's why always save ammo just to out right delete them. I don't want to even interact with specialists.

[tropic notch]

@trim badger I did another havoc with ds piety zealot and it was the easiest thing ever

[tropic notch]

I’m washed

How do I get good

[trim badger]

Carrying fyrestone...

[sharp epoch]

I feel like you should be killing 80% of ranged elites as plasma vet tbh otherwise chorus zealot is just better choice

[tropic notch]

I didn’t do terrible

[silent swift]

question, what is better sunderer or brutal momentum?

[tall torrent]

step 1 play psyker
step 2 make sure others in team aren't playing psyker

[serene bough]

How does one build exe plasma

[tropic notch]

Tbh I did better the first game than that

[meager echo]

I play with smoke so I don't use gun that much tbh.

[trim badger]

Double psyker in this stupid meta might actually be peak

[tall torrent]

for havoc, sunder
outside of havoc, both are good and they have diff use cases

[tropic notch]

What’s the falloff of sunder

[tropic notch]

Real

[silent swift]

what makes sunderer better than brutal momentum? i don't see it played havoc all the time with brutal and was surprised it is not standart

[tall torrent]

exact same build as VoC just with exe stance instead

[tropic notch]

Im loving melee psyker

[silent swift]

always play mark 6 light attacks so i cant see the use case

[tall torrent]

being able to cleave through carapace makes a huge difference vs mixed horde

[serene bough]

Do u take exe subnodes or just exe alone

[tall torrent]

8s

[silent swift]

isn't brutal momentum ignoring mass and there for cleave carapace as well or am I wrong?

[tall torrent]

just this but with exe stance instead of voc

[silent swift]

can't remember it correctly

[serene bough]

Cool thank you

[meager echo]

Most of my ammo spent on specialist, I only kill like 23 gunners that game

[tropic notch]

What’s the fall off of sunder? @tall torrent

[tall torrent]

wat does that mean

what is "falloff"

[tropic notch]

How much does it cleave until it does no damage

[sharp epoch]

If you run shout and smoke I feel like theyre redundant if you got a bubble psyker and chorus zealot, just run exe and kill the gunners for them

[tall torrent]

43.6 mass effectively

which is enough to go through 4 mauler/scab rager

[meager echo]

The point is to not interact with range enemies. Just turn the game to easy mode, no gunners.

You don't have to think about positioning at all with smoke tbh.

[silent swift]

Okay, but there is not stated if brutal moment is now not capable of cleaving through crushers and so on.

[tall torrent]

"weakspot non-Ogryn kills"

[sharp epoch]

I feel like playing that defensive would slow down the game a lot, I just go by the philosophy of kill faster to not have to deal with it

[cosmic sundial]

I’m really struggling with this class

[meager echo]

no it's not slow at all. I've got reasonable clear time in h40.

[silent swift]

yes non ogryn kills apply the effect. that only means i woudl need to kill a non ogryn first and can cleave through ogryns. wich is not so hard by all the shit is lurkin around xD

[tall torrent]

u can BM through a mauler (carapace, non-ogryn)
but because BM checks each target, u cannot BM through an ogryn

if let's say ur 2nd target is an ogryn, BM will just not work and it'll use normal cleave

[sharp epoch]

Like if you ran kraks you would kill armor packs more efficiently + exe would help you kill gunners

[tall torrent]

wat u need

[silent swift]

okay. I see then I see the use case for sunderer. thanks. so sunderer on mark 6 is mainly for the cleave not the dmg buff.

[tall torrent]

the dmg bonus only applies to melee energized heavy atks
which, u'd think doesn't matter much given mk6 mainly does light energized atk

however the +20% increase is actually big enough to help it vs mutants

makes for more consistent mutant 1 hit kill on weakspot for base game

[sharp epoch]

Like look how many gunners you could deal with for your team not to mention specialists/disablers

[tall torrent]

and in havoc, more consistent 2 hit kill vs mutant

[cosmic sundial]

I’m getting hit like twice and I’m dying

[silent swift]

ah olay thanks for the info.

[tall torrent]

wat diff are u in

[tropic notch]

Alright that’s actually pretty good

[silent swift]

will give it a try. playin mainly range vet and therefor BM was until now just fine. but I will swap out

[tall torrent]

the tldr is
BM is way faster pure-horde clear
sunder is way better mixed horde clear

[sharp epoch]

30-40 minute is not bad actually

[silent swift]

Yea i understood that. Thanks mate

[meager echo]

Yeah, people think more offensive will give faster run time. But it's usually not in my experience.

[silent swift]

Death is the biggest dps loss xD

[sharp epoch]

asia got some cracked psykers tbf theyre all the offense you need

looks like its more of a game of keep the psyker alive to win h40 with all the defense you got

[cosmic sundial]

Damnation

[meager echo]

I will be honest here. You just need to be average to win in Hongkong. The team comp is so strong you don't need to be that good.

[tall torrent]

wat build are u using

[sharp epoch]

True for anywhere with that build, but NA isn't that set on the meta yet

[cosmic sundial]

Doing penances so it’s a mix

[tall torrent]

if u need On Overwatch I can help

[sharp epoch]

Yeah my H40 wins are around 34 minutes each, probably because we have an arb always

[sudden cedar]

How's the winrate on those?

[sharp epoch]

With the arb, depends on the 4th who's usually a pf random

Around 50%

[silent swift]

how long does the grind up to 40 take. haven't played since idk may june

[trim badger]

It depends on which assignment you are right now

And win %

[silent swift]

20 back

[trim badger]

So, if you play havoc 40 only...

[silent swift]

can also be longer ago xD

[meager echo]

It's rng dependent. If you want to win consistently you have to be picky with your team mates and modifier combos.

[trim badger]

23, 26, 29, 32, 34, 36, 37, 38, 39

You'd need to win 9 games

Without demoting

And if we assume the average is 40 mins (35 if we're kind)

5-6 total hours

[cosmic sundial]

What does this mean

[tall torrent]

there's a penance called On Overwatch

[silent swift]

that is enough. to know. so as far as i understand it means 9 wins without demote on h40 to get back h40 right?

[trim badger]

Yes

[silent swift]

thanks for the information

[tall torrent]

tbh it's not rly worth grinding assignments up to 40 cuz it'll just get reset every few months

[cosmic sundial]

I’ll see if I need it

I actually need teammates that aren’t brain dead

Bro picked up a grimoire and refused to drop it. Nobody else went for the 2nd

[sharp epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[trim badger]

It's worth IMO if you do it on the early moment

[silent swift]

I know that's why i stopped playin for nearly 6 months or so now

[tall torrent]

On Overwatch is no health dmg taken from melee atks across whole mission

[tall torrent]

nah it's just not worth when u can always join off 40s from the unemployed

the rank system itself is bad + resets make grinding assignment up basically pointless

[sharp epoch]

its for the journey

[meager echo]

Just grind to 30 and start applying h40 lobbies. It's not worth hosting your own lobbies.

[cosmic sundial]

I need it but I’m about to go off I think

[trim badger]

It resets every 3 months it's not that quick lol

Grinding to 40 4 times a year is not that much

[tall torrent]

it's still just pointless

[sharp epoch]

I enjoy the grind up there

[trim badger]

Do you avoid watching a movie because it ends..?

Everything is going to end, love the grind baby

[tall torrent]

doing it like

once or twice if u feel like it

is alright

[tropic notch]

Exe stance melee is so fun

[tall torrent]

but knowing it'll just reset and u don't have anything to show for it

[tropic notch]

Insane regen

[tall torrent]

is just pointless

[trim badger]

No weaves like frames so sad

[sharp epoch]

yes it beats out shout

[trim badger]

There's still a benefit

log in sunday on reset, host 40 lobby, pick the unemployed, win, don't touch havoc until next week

ez

[meager echo]

Applying to random lobbies -> everyone die before first event.
Average pubs experience.

[tall torrent]

this also just so pointless

[sharp epoch]

Better to host your own imo, and check their builds if its semi decent lol

[trim badger]

At this point you're gonna say playing Havoc is pointless >:(

Which is true but

But 40!!!

[tall torrent]

yea unfortunately I'm not wrong

[trim badger]

My ego says the number 40 is good

[meager echo]

III veg is more fun than h40 tbh.

[tall torrent]

ya but like
u can alrdy get 40 above ur name in mourningstar by beating 1 h40 every 3 months or so lol

[trim badger]

I mean assignment

Obviously

[tall torrent]

that's literally the only "flex" havoc gives

grinding to get assignment 40 just so pointless

[trim badger]

Ego doesn't need to be something that others can see tho

Your own purpose can be made by ego

[tall torrent]

maelstrom in general more fun

[sharp epoch]

only problem is malestroms feel so easy compare to a havoc

[trim badger]

^

[narrow widget]

scientifically impossible to have fun playing a tide game

[sharp epoch]

once youve played h40 on repeat

[meager echo]

In III veg the game is more chaotic because you meet less experienced players.
In my average H40s, nothing really happen tbh.

[trim badger]

To enjoy maelstrom I need to use stuff like combat axe, which are good but not broken OP

[sharp epoch]

its like your dopamine receptors are fried

[trim badger]

I started to learn relic blade on Zealot

Thinking of bringing it into havoc one day

[silent swift]

the whole havoc grind is just about fun. It make fun becuase the standart DT is way too easy afterwards. so i wanted to know how fast i can get to taste the fun and excitement of the difficulty of h40 so thanks for the info Vror and also thanks to bath.rawrr for the insight on sunderer. nice eveneing to all

[trim badger]

The challenge is eventually bringing offmeta stuff

Into Havoc

[gentle lake]

Half of your time will be spent actually looking for a team

[hollow ibex]

The real endgame

Finding people for coop CBT

[silent swift]

I know. Just wanted to know. To better decide if it is worth the hussle of finding some1

xD

[tall torrent]

havoc without mutators would be so good

if any mutator just red

and without the horrible rank system

[sharp epoch]

without emperors fading light?

[tall torrent]

keep fading light

but the rest like stimms, rot armor, garden, etc

all those havoc mutators gone

keep all the havoc-intrinsic hidden modifiers like reduced player health & toughness, increased enemy spawn rate and health, etc

[sharp epoch]

I kinda like the mutators because they add some variety, like the different malestroms, but I can see why some of them are disliked like stimms grrr

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-dncord-risk-risk-universalis-riskord-gif-26504985

[scenic basin]

What's the H40 build for helbore + exe stance?

[hybrid plover]

Keep Final Toll

Make that just a baseline function of elites even

[tall torrent]

I rly think red should be a base game mechanic

[narrow frost]

would be funny

seeing the smite psykers die instantly

[slow spade]

Yellow stim base game pls

[hybrid plover]

No

[slow spade]

C:

[heavy rover]

Fatshark be like: Purple with infested armour in base game, gotcha

[slow spade]

At least the moebian 21st made it

They're fun c:

[maiden wasp]

Havoc qp que when?

[slow spade]

Sorry got to inspect your build for my Havoc 20 run UwU

[trim badger]

Rituals
Red
Cranial Corruption
Moebian 21st

Are good mutators

[maiden wasp]

I love playing matchmaking Sim with breaks of tideplay in-between.

[tall torrent]

only red

[hybrid plover]

Rituals are good*

*when they work

[meager echo]

Power interuption is also a good one. You can cheese in with Nvidia filter overlay

[tall torrent]

m21st alrdy got added to base spawn pool

so they kinda watever

[trim badger]

I'll not accept hate on Cranial Corruption

[tall torrent]

the other 2 are sneak

cranial is annoying asf

and ritual is abhorrent buggy mess

[trim badger]

But their head are weaker and go boom

It's funny cool awesome

[trim badger]

Yeah they need to fix rituals