veteran-class

[umbral scaffold]

I run this, Siro suggested and it’s amazing

[hollow ibex]

I’ve heard this is an excellent build

[uncut ore]

I'm basically running like 95% of this already

[dense river]

Thanks! What about perks?

[hollow ibex]

Cara unyielding

[hollow ibex]

There are only so many ways to build a hybrid MMF build after all

[dense river]

Much appreciated

[uncut ore]

I've just been trying to get back into this game, trying to find my flow or whatever and still try and have fun

but it seems what's fun for me is not always what's optimal

[tepid otter]

What chu trying to do

[uncut ore]

gun shoot bad guy

pew pew even

[tepid otter]

only time I can enjoy mainly using my ranged weap in is during the event

cuz your ammoe is just doubled and theres ammo boxes everywhere

[uncut ore]

every game I play i seem to be doing ok, but still noticably lagging a bit behind my team mates in term of score

also I've been playing auric for a long while now and I've yet to go 10 games in a row without dying

[warm schooner]

🤔

[junior grail]

It almost looks like a Space Marine helm

[hollow ibex]

The Build tm

[gentle lake]

When does vet become fun

[void dragon]

the build to surpas Horus

[misty minnow]

They do have the shout that revives so it does make a great asset to a team when shit goes down

[narrow widget]

res shout

[gentle lake]

10 years to recharge.

[frigid shuttle]

zz, europeans sleeping

time to play 120ms

[misty minnow]

Well if someone dies again before that they need to rethink life

[tepid otter]

wat time is it there in EU

[narrow widget]

when does darktide become fun smh

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-the-neat-part-it-doesn’t-down-only-when-moon-gif-16578909324546688529

[narrow widget]

shout usually better to just spam off cooldown
at the very least you're getting more value out of it than just saving it for situations that never happen

[void dragon]

infiltrate is a 45 sec cd while shout is 30

[misty minnow]

I understand what you are saying but in the case you do need it it's there

[frigid shuttle]

06:30 (am)

infiltrate is so ass

just play shroudfield zealot instead

[narrow widget]

better to use it preemptively and not have to deal with that situation than save it and have the rest of your team go down

[frigid shuttle]

auric.

[narrow widget]

honk mimimimi

https://tenor.com/view/lugi-sleep-luigi-mario-luigi-book-luigi's-mansion-luigi-nap-gif-9233207602314102479

[gentle lake]

Damnation is when it gets fun

auric is when it gets better

[narrow widget]

nah bro real tiders know sedition is where it's at

[void dragon]

we need aruic+ that's not Havoc with its bs blue stims

[willow prairie]

just give us havoc without the modifier

[narrow widget]

darktide wastes when

[willow prairie]

maybe keep fading light

[narrow widget]

fart shart please

[willow prairie]

chaos waste is boring and you cannot change my mind

[narrow widget]

if they forced you to swap weapons more often it would be better

[willow prairie]

no it doesn't

having to use shit weapon is not a good thing

there isn't enough modifier to change weapon either

so there isn't some secret synergy that make mace good

[void dragon]

*monkey pawn finger closes
now you can only play with Dclaw, no ranged weapon

[narrow widget]

darktide sekiro

open world souls tide

[willow prairie]

imagine dclaw but good

[void dragon]

Armored Warrior fight - Warhammer edition

[misty minnow]

Rotten armor and garden

With angry ogryns would be interesting

[tepid otter]

Just put all the modifiers in one match, and another striketeam into the fray

[misty minnow]

Lol yes a raid

Surprised they haven't done something like that

[tepid otter]

Does Fatshark have like a suggestions thread lmao

[misty minnow]

If you have been disconnected from spawn rate before than just wait till raids

Lol just people disconnecting left and right like flies

[tepid otter]

Oh, so it wasn't just me lmao

It was only during Event iirc

That was last night tho

[misty minnow]

Lol yeah seen a lot of pc users go poof

[tepid otter]

Hope its fixed later after my internship lmao

[cunning maple]

what's the best karkin weapon that acts like a karkin sniper rifle for karkin elites and bosses

[hybrid plover]

helbore

mk4 particularly if you're talking bosses

[cunning maple]

whats a good dump stat for them

stability or ammo count?

[hybrid plover]

stability usually but ammo is also valid if you have shock troop

[misty minnow]

Oh it's been a thing since forever just worse now

[autumn sorrel]

Cshotguns with Mannstopper + flechette with weapons specialist is fun
The horizontal spread shot cleaves hordes

[hollow ibex]

You’ve tried DB too right?

Right??

[tepid otter]

Oh really? Ive never had much dc issues tho, only occasionally

[frigid shuttle]

man, I can't get over how good psword feels with skitarius

[hollow ibex]

Cheater reeeee

[sharp epoch]

If you want the horizontal spread isn't it the special shell on the zarona?

I mean lawbringer

[tepid otter]

skitarius?

[misty minnow]

Same I don't know if it has something to do with rams or processor

[hollow ibex]

It’s a mod that automates combos

[frigid shuttle]

Yes.

[tepid otter]

Wait wuh

How does that work

[sharp epoch]

Is it hold or toggle?

[hollow ibex]

You can choose

[hollow ibex]

You set combos

To specific buttons

And holding or toggling will start playing those combos

[tepid otter]

Weird

Even PA's?

[misty minnow]

Lol

[frigid shuttle]

hmm

for arby smaul

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[misty minnow]

The art of macros

[tepid otter]

Do you have to be blocking for the PA to work or does it do that for you too

[sharp epoch]

to PA you have to block first so it probably does it automatically

[frigid shuttle]

it works automagically

there's a separate option for just push

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[frigid shuttle]

mfw I forgot to put block cancel after special

I've been playing without it for like a week

[distant mural]

Why is it becoming so popular to not even play yourself anymore? Macros, spawn notifications, spidey sense and wallhacks…..

[narrow frost]

The accessibility of these mods and the want to win

More and more mods like them are coming out

And people enjoy winning

I'm on the opposite end, I use mods to remove elements from the game

[distant mural]

Just bothers me is all

[narrow frost]

Yeah, same

[distant mural]

I mean i like mods too but not for this crap

I think its traight up cheating all of it

[frigid shuttle]

I simply wouldn't play the class, since I dislike combos and vet has no good 'simple' weapon besides ds4

[distant mural]

P-sword is very simple. So is chainaxe. And dagger too honestly.

[frigid shuttle]

It's not as simple as relic blade.

I don't like chainaxe

and I don't like single dagger.

[distant mural]

Relic blade has a long ass combo lol😂

[frigid shuttle]

[distant mural]

And thats the simple one for you?

It does

It has like 5 different lights and 3 heavys right? Thats a pretty complicated combo.

[frigid shuttle]

no? you power it on and you swing

[distant mural]

I guess if you just light spam

But what do you do if you need a specific attack?

[frigid shuttle]

mkX, you do lights for horde, heavy for single

[distant mural]

Then the combo is quite complicated imo

[frigid shuttle]

or you can do pa for stab

very simple

[distant mural]

Allright

Stop using abominable intelligence and learn combos sinner!

[frigid shuttle]

No.

[frigid shuttle]

I'll do it when devs ban such mods

[distant mural]

Honestly that mentality will make em do exactly that one day. And then nobody can enjoy moda anymore because of a few stubborn ones.

[hollow ibex]

i'm going to cheat even harder just to piss off players like you

[distant mural]

You do you

But dont think i feel anything but pity for your mindset.

[hollow ibex]

speaking of pity, i feel pity for those who don't take care of their arms and hands lol, but judge those that do

[dapper coyote]

Lmao, i use auto mods for my guns

[distant mural]

Uhhm my arms and hands are fine lol. Darktide isnt a sport lmao

[dapper coyote]

Otherwise i will use like reccy lasguns, autopistols and whatever that have automatic only

[dapper coyote]

So?

So what?

[frigid shuttle]

just get carpal tunnel from playing games

[dapper coyote]

Melee i still do it manually but im probably gonna automate that too once i figured it out how it works

[unreal nova]

Or just cheat by using clearly higher damaging semi autos as autos.

[frigid shuttle]

I mean, if dev doesn't put a rof cap, then it's either intended or just incompetence.

[dapper coyote]

There is an rof cap

[austere mica]

Using semi weapons at full auto is barely even considerable as cheating

Because it matters for a single weapon

[distant mural]

Keep making apologys for yourself

[dapper coyote]

Full auto ilas (heavy) and semi auto ilas (heavy) still have the same rate of fire

[austere mica]

Whose RoF is low enough to max easily

I just don't want to mash left click like that

[frigid shuttle]

wdym apologies?

[hollow ibex]

young and dumb

[unreal nova]

That's more the way too fast combos that is basically impossible to do consistently manually.

[distant mural]

[frigid shuttle]

Why would I need to apologise for using things devs allow?

[hollow ibex]

because you're cheating

and have an unfair advantage

[frigid shuttle]

But it's allowed

by devs?

[dapper coyote]

Anyways, our weapons DO have rof cap

[distant mural]

bUt ITs AllOWed

[dapper coyote]

So full auto doesn't mean bigger fire rate

[frigid shuttle]

yeah?

[hollow ibex]

no it's literally just a QOL thing

[frigid shuttle]

It's very scrub mindset, that you are holding.

[distant mural]

If the game allowed you godmode from mods you would use it too right?

[frigid shuttle]

sure?

[unreal nova]

It does, can you manually fire that fast an entire match?

[hollow ibex]

already does

[distant mural]

There u go case closed

[frigid shuttle]

are you also the type of person to complain about low kick spam in fighting games?

[distant mural]

What?

[frigid shuttle]

do you consider people who spam a effective move in fighting games, as cheating?

[hollow ibex]

if the only mod in the game was the scoreboard, aprun would prob be bitching about that too

[austere mica]

Dude you're just mad to be mad
Using full auto for laspistol is such a nothingburger "cheat" that it isn't even worth arguing over
Most people can max the fire rate (it's like 6.66), it just hurts to do repetitively

[unreal nova]

What I consider cheating is basically, can you do it yourself an entire match consistently? If yes, it's not cheating. Otherwise ranges from slight to very obvious.

[distant mural]

No thats an ingame mechanic

[frigid shuttle]

[dapper coyote]

Having a superiority complex are we?

[frigid shuttle]

oh, mods are outside the game feature then?

[distant mural]

No doesnt affect my gameplay

[frigid shuttle]

mental gymnastics you do are wild.

[unreal nova]

I'm talking about the melee combos that delete bosses in half a sec.

[hollow ibex]

i mean i could spam click laspis an entire match, doesn't mean i want to lol

[frigid shuttle]

there's melee combos that delete bosses in half a second?

[unreal nova]

If you tell me that isn't cheating...

[unreal nova]

Skitarius for one of the force swords.

[frigid shuttle]

[austere mica]

Macro'ing QQ and stuff is lame and you shouldn't do that

[distant mural]

Give it up no use arguing they will just keep finding apologys for it

[hollow ibex]

It could. Someone could see that you’ve been taking too much ammo and barrel you off the map

[unreal nova]

If you see it, it's basically unfair cheating tiers.

[frigid shuttle]

again, what do you mean "finding apologies"? 😄

[dapper coyote]

Any-fucking-ways, which Csword should i use?

[frigid shuttle]

It's a feature allowed by the devs.

[distant mural]

Apolgies for cheating

[hollow ibex]

IV is prob better

[frigid shuttle]

What is there to "apologise" for? 😄

[unreal nova]

No way a human can do it the entire run.

[distant mural]

Its not an ingame feature lmao

Thats just a lie

[dapper coyote]

Blue one or the green one?

I keep forgetting

[frigid shuttle]

How do you think mods work?

Are you daft?

[hollow ibex]

Uh idk. The one with heavies for horde clear

[distant mural]

Its mods they have nothing to do with the game at all

You decide to download em

[frigid shuttle]

[dapper coyote]

IV? Let me check in the gameslatern

[hollow ibex]

XIII is the light spam one

Which I like

But IV is prob better realistically

[unreal nova]

Modding multiplayer games is cheating for an unfair advantage.

[dapper coyote]

The green one

[unreal nova]

Explains why every co-op game now has kernel anticheats.

Unless really small indie game.

[frigid shuttle]

most games have that to sell you shit in cash shop

so they want to block you from giving yourself resources, so you whale in cash shop

[unreal nova]

If they do servers, they can simply do checks to prevent or at least, reduce it.

[frigid shuttle]

in any case, devs could easily ban mods from doing certain things, if they considered them cheating.

[unreal nova]

This being FS... that might break the game.

You know how they fix one bug and broke two other things.

[frigid shuttle]

then they could just go back to whitelisting like in vt2

[unreal nova]

Funny thing is, they actually wanted to, but decided to trust the community to not run outright cheaty mods.

[frigid shuttle]

Dumb, if true.

You never trust the client.

[unreal nova]

Thing is, they believed enough things is server caculated for it to be fine.

Is how I can do 0 damage stagger.

By attacking.

[silver patrol]

i once meleed a sniper who was aiming at me, four swings and not one registered and the sniper shot me in the face

[unreal nova]

Stagger is caculated client side, damage is server.

But positioning is also server to a good degree.

So you could just be attacking air.

At least from what I see.

Also how you get overheaded when you are over 10m from a captain. You are on your end, but not server side.

[distant mural]

Thats what happens if you give kids responsibilty to do the right thing by themselves.

Too bad some people allways have to ruin it for everyone

[frigid shuttle]

Imagine thinking that if you allow things, people won't do things, because reasons

[unreal nova]

They actually said it. Find the post when they removed EAC.

[frigid shuttle]

I don't doubt it, I'm saying it's delusional to think that if you don't explicitly ban something, people will refrain from doing it.

especially if the alternative is dealing with mechanics that a decent number of people don't find fun.

[unreal nova]

True, I think they should ban the mod than nerf the thing usually. Reward people who can actually do it. Or force the mod devs to cap the redo speed.

Which is literally how bosses die so fast.

[frigid shuttle]

skitarius has over 8k downloads, that's more than active players

[unreal nova]

Inhuman levels of swap stabs.

[frigid shuttle]

I always hated qq cancel tech in vt2, no clue why they didn't limit that.

[unreal nova]

Bonus, it's worse than macros due to it hooking to the game so it can frameperfect it.

[frigid shuttle]

you could easily add a check that slows down every sequential swap in a given timeframe

[unreal nova]

If that isn't cheats, I dunno.

[frigid shuttle]

some inhuman players did some crazy stuff without mods in vt2 just fine

[unreal nova]

It's why, things like unga bunga, full auto and keep swinging is one thing... Skitarius is a whole 'nother can of worms.

[unreal nova]

That's top 0.0001%.

Add more zeros or so

[frigid shuttle]

In any case, I don't really care if some people abuse it, if they find it fun, good on them.

If it really became a problem I'd just run with a premade

if there was pvp, I'd find it a problem.

[unreal nova]

There's enough toxicity with scoreboard already. Don't need to think of versus.

[frigid shuttle]

I can't relate to that, I've never seen any toxicity in darktide

[unreal nova]

Some people use it to rag at others for not doing as well.

[frigid shuttle]

mmm, I don't generally look at scoreboard until the end, but usually you can easily tell who is new or using a really mediocre weapon and needs babysitting in match.

[distant mural]

People will straight up post dmg number in chat

[frigid shuttle]

You can post damage numbers in in-game chat?

[distant mural]

Yup

[hybrid plover]

there's a mod

[tropic halo]

theres a mod for that

or there was

Not sure if it was deleted

[hybrid plover]

honestly

[frigid shuttle]

I've never seen it.

[hybrid plover]

if it was deleted

good

No need for that to exist honestly

[tropic halo]

i remember that brought some drama over it

[unreal nova]

Yes. You can be reported for it though.

[narrow frost]

I found one in the wild

In my havoc

[unreal nova]

For obvious reasons.

If you have scoreboard, don't talk about it.

[tropic halo]

i dont need to compete about damage numbers when I know I did the most stagger be able to save the game

[unreal nova]

At least to people who don't need to know.

[frigid shuttle]

Can't agree, I think scoreboard should be baseline

but only at the end of the mission.

[unreal nova]

I think it should only for PvP games.

[hybrid plover]

Eh. I think scoreboards are nice to have for the sake of being able to measure your own performance

[unreal nova]

Co-op should always be results oriented. Win or lose. Who cares about damage done if we get out.

[hybrid plover]

Tbh someone who actually decides to be toxic and use scoreboard as a bragging rights tool

[distant mural]

Narcissists

[steel surge]

Love the scoreboard to see which of my builds enables me to contribute to the team

[frigid shuttle]

I find it useful to confirm the feeling of someone being a liability, with numbers.

[hybrid plover]

Like there's no point in listening to what they have to say.

[frigid shuttle]

but with randoms, it's not like it matters, unless you block the weak links.

[hybrid plover]

They've lost in the game of life already.

[tropic halo]

clearly you all are blind asf, we already got a scoreboard and is literally the enemy kill counts

[distant mural]

See thats where i have a problem. Being toxic to player because they are not as good as you.

[frigid shuttle]

??

[unreal nova]

That's team kill count.

[distant mural]

Why cant the team not just help him out instead of bashing his skill

[unreal nova]

Perfectly fine in sense.

[tropic halo]

It is a scoreboard smh

[frigid shuttle]

who is bashing whose skill?

[distant mural]

You use the mod to look for „liabilitys“

[hybrid plover]

also, playing aoe bolter with a helbore vet and staff psyker

comfiest thing ever

[frigid shuttle]

no, I use scoreboard to check my stats in the end.

Incidentally if I observe someone sucking in-match.

[meager echo]

Damage numbers mean nothing. No one give a fuck about it in my server. If they care about it, chorus would not be a thing.
Scoreboard is just raw data, it can't be interpreted as player skills.

[distant mural]

.

[steel surge]

There is not being as good and triggering a DH that has been tagged and called out multiple times

[frigid shuttle]

Then 99% of the time, they're also top damage taken and bottom damage dealt.

and probably not staggering either.

[distant mural]

Well let him die then

Doesnt even affect you

[frigid shuttle]

I don't understand how facts are toxic, it's not like I'm telling him that he sucks and should uninstall?

[hybrid plover]

Sorry

That was me

It will happen again

[tame lodge]

Narcissists don't need scoreboard
They already know they are the best

[distant mural]

[dapper coyote]

True...

[tropic halo]

their presence alone makes them feel superior

[distant mural]

Real

[frigid shuttle]

Absolutely, but they're still useful if you correlate with in-match observations.

[steel surge]

I have had them run to me and corrupt me to shit, also minus one teammate

[distant mural]

Run away lol

[unreal nova]

Still best to not talk about it though. A bad game happens to all at times.

[meager echo]

I have 1500+ hours, never met anyone talk about scoreboard numbers in game.

[dapper coyote]

Actually yea

[warm schooner]

I've seen a mod auto post the damage numbers in chat after the mission

[hybrid plover]

Once, has this happened.

someone immediately told them to stfu and stop cheating with their staff macro

[distant mural]

Apparently doesnt exist anymore

[warm schooner]

could be

I haven't seen it since

[hybrid plover]

Good.

[unreal nova]

I have, was between guy with it and the 'liablity'. Was a pain having them both argue till they both died.

[hybrid plover]

That mod is straight up unneeded.

Only exists to put everyone's "perfomance" on blast

For no real reason.

[distant mural]

Look im using the most broken class with flame staff and have sooooooo much more dmg then you.

[unreal nova]

Yep. If someone asks, sure, but otherwise, best keep it to yourself.

[meager echo]

Bro this game community is insufferable. Keep asking for more nerfs. Go play h40 with 4 psykers to see if it easier than normal comp. Everytime I take a look, nerf this nerf that. And you know what, I play h40 pubs it's a shit show even with all the meta comp.

[toxic flicker]

I just read a reddit post about that. I agree with that take as a new player. When i played with some ppl yesterday on discord i was anxious about my performance since they had the mod on. They didn't berate me but still felt pressuring to keep up without knowing how i was doing comparatively to the others

[distant mural]

Yeah i just stopped playing havoc

[toxic flicker]

Exactly. We should change it up. Instead of nerfing something buff another thing to have different options

Otherwise it becomes miserable

[hybrid plover]

Hell I have the scoreboard mod and I don't actually have it set to Tab. I get the results after the game to see where I stood that game.

[unreal nova]

No new players need the extra stress, neither do not so good players. The worst ones use it on lower diffs after soloing ahead to stroke their own egos.

[unreal nova]

I think nerfs are fine if something is WAY too broken or busted.

[toxic flicker]

Worst part is consoles can't access it . I would like to know if my build kept up in that difficulty or how the weapons did so i could have some info

[meager echo]

Players with 1000 hours+ keep asking for the game to be harder for everyone.

It's crazy.

[unreal nova]

Like, there needs to be a middle line/ where the avg power level is.

[distant mural]

Be happy you cant be corrupted

[sharp epoch]

sometimes i ask players for the scoreboard cause i dont have the mod and they send on dc

[toxic flicker]

Dc?

[unreal nova]

And I don't agree that the DS should be baseline like some do.

[sharp epoch]

discord

[toxic flicker]

Right

[distant mural]

Baseline?

[hybrid plover]

As a metric of power level that weapons should have

[toxic flicker]

Requested stats yesterday but instead got a new suggestion for a build. Felt kinda bad

[hybrid plover]

Dueling Sword should not be that baseline.

[distant mural]

Ah

[meager echo]

bro do play h40, is 4 DS comp auto win ????

[hybrid plover]

At all.

[distant mural]

I think its overrated anyway

[toxic flicker]

(i was thinking about testing that build anyways)

[meager echo]

people act like DS is auto win weapon

[distant mural]

Ds is overrated af

Watch 4 people on havoc with no horde clear

[toxic flicker]

That's why i stay away from havoc for now. I wanna become better and lvl up weapons I don't usually play

[distant mural]

Pain

[hybrid plover]

It isn't. But it is grossly overtuned in some respects.

[sharp epoch]

i mean psyker does like 80% of hordeclear

[toxic flicker]

I would like to try it. Moveset seems fun

[distant mural]

True that

[steel surge]

I need tips for havoc, I struggle to advance around 22-24 even though I can do auric maelstrom

[distant mural]

Thats why these crutches still exist tho

[toxic flicker]

Depends on staff. Inferno and forceblast yes. Electric no

[sharp epoch]

kill everything, be good at killing bosses elites and specials and horde

[distant mural]

In havoc you will find flamestaff almost exclusively

[red portal]

Nah you'd have fuck all horde clear unless one of you is a fire staff psyker.

[unreal nova]

It isn't but just comparing it to some others... clear night and day... especially if you focus on ST. And assuming you want to put auric as diff to balance around. Havoc should be a challenge.

[sharp epoch]

every psyker runs inferno lol

[distant mural]

Havoc is boring af honestly

No build variety

[steel surge]

The stimmed, rotten armour crusher packs though 😢

[distant mural]

Once u hit 40 theres no reason to keep playing it

[unreal nova]

Or rot purple.

[sharp epoch]

oh yeah avoid stimms that modifier sucks

[hybrid plover]

Havoc 👏 should 👏 not 👏 be 👏 the 👏 baseline 👏 for balance 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

[distant mural]

Mashallah

[unreal nova]

Auric should.

[hybrid plover]

Say it with me!

[toxic flicker]

Im a new player BUT the most important thing you could do to prepare is to have a build that covers your weaknesses to some extent. Otherwise just focus on staying with your team and help them with dmg uptime

Example: psyker horde clear has a dueling sword in case he has to deal good single target dmg although it's not his primary focus

[unreal nova]

I'll even accept mid havocs, since it would fall under auric mael lvls.

[hybrid plover]

But because it kind of is right now, these grossly overtuned things run rampant in Auric, where some just pretty much trivialize the game

[steel surge]

Damage uptime doest mean shit when people can't kill the crushers

[sharp epoch]

at h20 you can basically solo carry your team, h30 is where it gets a little tougher

[meager echo]

Fish for good modifier combos, check your teams comp before joining. That's the only way to win more consistent.

[hybrid plover]

Rumbler ogryns are the bane of my existence when I see them in Auric

[toxic flicker]

Im saying what you yourself can do. There's so much one person can do. That's a team issue

[unreal nova]

Unless you don't wanna play and just want to free win. Unless the oggy is 'special' lvls of bad.

[hybrid plover]

I never want a free win. Because I'm a real winner.

Until I lose.

Then I cry.

[toxic flicker]

Mentality

[hybrid plover]

speaking of wins, the aoe bolter is in fact, ✨ havoc viable ✨

[unreal nova]

Heh.

[toxic flicker]

Aoe bolter?

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

The new one.

[toxic flicker]

Spearhead?

[unreal nova]

To be fair, the bolter has been fine day 1 of release. It's the new bistol that sucks.

[hybrid plover]

p.sure they're both spearheads

[hybrid plover]

There are people, who are nonbelievers to this day.

I live to spite them.

[sharp epoch]

vet is just a melee class atm just pick any ranged 😭

[unreal nova]

The new bistol trades too much to increase ability to poke DHs.

[toxic flicker]

Both of them seemed good to me. Actually the only vet weapons i enjoyed other than torrent lasgun

[unreal nova]

By accident.

[toxic flicker]

Still about to try plasma

[unreal nova]

That's a, if you like, you like type.

[silver patrol]

plasma is great to use

[unreal nova]

Personally too clunky and sucks if you play 300 ping.

[silver patrol]

it's like playing with lag

[toxic flicker]

I was saddened that i didn't click with the sniper las

I really liked it

[silver patrol]

so you click with it

[toxic flicker]

Iron sight is abysmal

[unreal nova]

Now do it with actual lag.

[silver patrol]

do you play on pc

[toxic flicker]

Nope unfortunately

[unreal nova]

I thought it was buffed with a sight?

[silver patrol]

owned

[silver patrol]

with a better iron sight

i think?

i only used it once after the patch

[hybrid plover]

Iron sight is really nice now tbh

[toxic flicker]

It hits below it

It's offsetting

[unreal nova]

Then you will hate the bistol.

[frigid shuttle]

It wasn't really a thing in vt2, since all the elitists played modded

[unreal nova]

You aim below the nub to hit.

[silver patrol]

wonder if the bistol still snaps the aim randomly

[toxic flicker]

Played both of them and they seemed fine

Bolt pistol and spearhead bolt

[unreal nova]

First shot is always accurate to a degree, more with run and gun.

[toxic flicker]

I liked them

[toxic flicker]

Exactly

[silver patrol]

i'm more talking about how sometimes, after the first shot, it just snapped randomly around

not even recoil

pretty sure it was a bug

[unreal nova]

I think they reduced it to a point. But rapidly firing it still bad idea unless near pointblank.

The whole ads, shoot, un ads, ads, shoot, un ads ritual still needed.

If you don't wanna wait.

[red portal]

But if something is still going to be useless even if you nerf everything else in the game it might show you that it needs a buff.

[meager echo]

If a game became too difficult, it's very hard to attract new players. A game needs more than just veterans to survive in the long run.

[silver patrol]

never found the bistol hard to handle, excluding that random snap

[unreal nova]

Yes, why you pick a middle line. You want weapons to veer towards said middle line.

Underpowered or unused stuff getting buffs till they hit that middle line.

[frigid shuttle]

that only works if the "middle" is actually a good place.

[unreal nova]

Overpowered stuff nerfed to it.

[frigid shuttle]

I don't think there's any melee that's really overpowered.

In a world of inferno staff.

[unreal nova]

Which is hard considering FS. The worst stuff got buffed in useless ways.

Like all DC needed was better ADMs.

Nope. Got stuff but that.

[red portal]

Carapace just needs a rework

You can't have armor either be you do 30 damage a hit to it or it doesn't exist at all.

Depending on what weapon you use

[silver patrol]

i can't imagine bringing a melee weapon that sucks against carapace at the moment

[unreal nova]

Due to the shitshow of crushers.

[silver patrol]

yes

[unreal nova]

Like, I thought they nerfed the numbers?

All I see is more crushers than ever.

[silver patrol]

it used to be that you could at least bring a fun weapon that sucked against carapace if your ranged could still deal with them

but with so much raw hp, even those weapons still don't really deal well with them

[red portal]

Ranged across the board needs a buff to carapace specifically

[unreal nova]

Especially EK and VoidSTRIKE lul.

[silver patrol]

EK is so fun

a shame it also sucks balls

[unreal nova]

The hp increase basically made them worthless or harder to hit breakpoints.

[red portal]

Ek staff is good as long as you don't have to be on crusher duty

[silver patrol]

with the overall hp buffs, it's also quite weaker against other targets

[unreal nova]

Everyone is on crusher duty. There's too many.

[red portal]

The m2 is mainly what needs buffs m1 is allready strong.

[silver patrol]

the m1 is shared by every staff right?

except flame staff

[unreal nova]

Yes, EK gets bonus crit rate.

[red portal]

Pretty much but ek just makes better use of it cause of it's card stats.

You can reach 80% CRIT chance

[unreal nova]

And yes, I meant the alt fire.

[silver patrol]

i am of the opinion every m1 should be made more unique for each staff

[unreal nova]

It just feels bad outside of malice now.

[silver patrol]

but the core of the staff is still the m2

which imo makes it the most fun staff

[unreal nova]

You expect it to hit harder for how expensive it is.

But then everything is too thick for it now.

[silver patrol]

well it's also rather slow, only targets like 3 targets at most (and the big hit only hurts one target)

[red portal]

Make a lightning bolt staff.

I want to chain lightning the enemies with a big burst of damage.

[unreal nova]

Thus, feels bad outside of malice.

[silver patrol]

yep

[red portal]

The current way lightning works is so underwhelming

Wow I get to shock 3 enemies and barely do damage yippie

[frigid shuttle]

[red portal]

Meanwhile flamestaff would have killed the entire horde of crushers in the time it took for me to kill 3-4

[unreal nova]

Just underwhelming. I feel like the devs never thought how just increasing hp for everything affected the more middle line weapons.

[red portal]

Hell it affects ranged more than it does melee on average across the board

[unreal nova]

Or the lower end of middle.

[unreal nova]

I know.

More karks are surviving my bistol headshots.

The flamer basically gets away now.

If I don't just double tap.

[red portal]

Flamestaff needs a nerf and every other staff needs a buff/rebalance in some ways.

[unreal nova]

STRIKE just needs a buff.

[red portal]

Guns like the zarona revolver are not even worth using on armor anymore.

[unreal nova]

Even inf ranged cleave didn't help, lmao.

[silver patrol]

can the infantry lasgun ever be present in a meta build

[unreal nova]

You use laspistol.

Does the same but better, lul.

100% headshots requires to get anything out of it.

And laspistol does headshots way better.

And yes, it means a laspistol build would work for it.

[hybrid plover]

Am I crazy for thinking

Precision Strikes isn't as needed for melee vet as it seems

[dusk steppe]

You know it's bad when Vet discord is discussing psyer meta that's ruff.

[silver patrol]

it was more about the hp buffs and the impact on various weapons

it's just that EK ate dirt pretty badly

[hybrid plover]

EK m1 surge spam is still pretty good actually

[dusk steppe]

You mean the class ate dirt pretty badly for life and there's only 1 meta? feelsbadman.

[silver patrol]

that's so boring tho

[hybrid plover]

But actually using the lighting strike

Yeah...

[silver patrol]

maybe if m1 was unique for each staff

[hybrid plover]

Psyker?

[dusk steppe]

@hybrid plover vet

[hybrid plover]

Vet is great rn

what?

[warm schooner]

no shortage of trolls on this channel

[silver patrol]

i dunno about that one

[dusk steppe]

keep shouting vets keep shouting o7 much love u will get there one day!

o7

[unreal nova]

Plasma DS?

[hybrid plover]

Interesting.

Anyway, the fact that EK's m1 is not like

A lightning bolt

Like that was such a missed opportunity there

[dusk steppe]

@unreal nova ? idk what u r asking.

[unreal nova]

You said 1 meta build. Whatever can that be?

That.

[unreal nova]

I want a piercing lightning bolt lul.

[dusk steppe]

anything that mains shout support or stealth b/c u r a squish and cant ill anything at all alone w/o ur team to help crutch you he needs a wheelchair.

[hybrid plover]

Are you good my dude?

[red portal]

Best we can do is cosmetic for the voidstrike

[unreal nova]

I think he just can't melee as vet.

[hybrid plover]

Probably. 🤷‍♂️

One cool idea for a staff I had is almost like an Assail shard staff almost but the crystals are really high pen

And when an enemy dies they get pinned to the wall

[red portal]

Just bring back bolt staff from vt2

[unreal nova]

I honestly dunno if that's a good idea unless they get affected by the ragdoll body counter. Might be extra unnecessary lag.

[toxic reef]

isn't that client side tho

[dusk steppe]

melee as vet = rely on your teammates to melee for ou b/c 2 enemies will destro you - vet RN. even regular enemiers in havoc wipe the floor with vet w/o a team it's bad. Vet's RN just enjoy pain unfortunately.

[toxic reef]

ok buddy

[red portal]

We have bolt staff and beam staff they could bring over.

[toxic reef]

they haven't touched staves since release so

[red portal]

Didn't ask

Don't crush my dreams

Just yet anyways

Like give us more variety

[hybrid plover]

interesting perspective

[red portal]

I have played melee vet in havoc 40, the verdict, you are simply incorrect.

[hybrid plover]

I'm usually the one topping melee kills in havoc actually lmao

[pseudo fiber]

They did rework EK with the class rework

[toxic reef]

ah ok

[silver patrol]

they also changed the name of the trauma staff

that was a lot of work

[hybrid plover]

Voidblast now

Which

Why?

Who asked for the name changes?

[red portal]

Void ass staff

[silver patrol]

i always mix the two void staff up now

[dusk steppe]

@red portal then youy didn't brin any other class oops all vets or memeing and pics or it didn't happen lol. unfortunately vet is kinda lacluster RN

[distant mural]

Thats simply false now

[hybrid plover]

Trauma was a good name for the kind of staff it is.

[silver patrol]

what is it called in tabletop/lore

[red portal]

Have you used power sword weapon specialist vet?

You can 3 tap crushers

[hybrid plover]

I'm out here getting the most melee kills with a lacerate combat knife here, let alone the damn power sword

[steel surge]

pretty sure you gave me that build, is it the one with crits on the shotgun after 3 melee kills?

[distant mural]

Vet is super strong rn wdym????

[hybrid plover]

Vet melee is torqued tf up right now

[distant mural]

Have you been drinking paint?

[hybrid plover]

Honestly it's bait.

[distant mural]

Forreal why do i even answer

[red portal]

You get a guaranteed CRIT on 3 stacks yeah but I doubt I was the one who gave it to you.

[dusk steppe]

No bleach when I play vet when not on my other two mains post beta. psycher and zealot.

[steel surge]

I'm pretty sure you sold that build with the exact same words you used now

[cobalt sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[hybrid plover]

I know I posted a build with that and shovel

[steel surge]

I love it, now my main vet build

[distant mural]

Exe stance vet is so strong rn

[dusk steppe]

No bait never been here just playing the game feeling out the discord seeing the vet channel to see the synopsis saw psycher discussion - sent a post that was all buddy.

[hybrid plover]

I tried it with a lacerate knife just now in h40 and took off prec strikes

it was not half bad at all

[azure narwhal]

Tbh every class dedicated chat talks about whatever half of the time. Zealot chat is 95% offtopic

[distant mural]

Imo vet is the best its ever been its fun and varied the only thing thats not as good as the rest is stealth

[steel surge]

I don't do the most damage with the power sword/crit shotty build but spamming voice earns appreciation from every team

[distant mural]

But i dont mind that cause i dont use it

[hybrid plover]

Zealot chat is just general 2: electric boogaloo

[azure narwhal]

Yeah

[dusk steppe]

IDK for me I only off play vet post beta (b/c he got hard nerfed after beta) and he has kinda been trash ever since the prior patch he was 'OK' but not in a good spot this recent patch just made him even worse imo.

[toxic reef]

it's sometimes zealot talk, you just don't know when

[distant mural]

I cannonly disagree

[hybrid plover]

There's no way you think vet is worse after patch unironically

Absolutely not.

[distant mural]

Vet is stronger then ever

[azure narwhal]

How did recent patch make vet worse

[silver patrol]

vet was stronger at release

[distant mural]

And i played for several years now too

[azure narwhal]

You no longer have inflated talent taxes

[toxic reef]

hold on, let him cook

[azure narwhal]

Gonna burn the kitchen with this vet take.

[toxic reef]

exactly

[dusk steppe]

I mean vet used to be the special wiper now he's a glorified shouter/buffer/support to be of help to the team all other classes out do him in every category he fills no role no other class can't out do him in imo.

[distant mural]

Dude vet is THE special wiper

[dusk steppe]

even his main weapons can't outcompete the new arbite for instance b/c he's made of paper.

[toxic reef]

so vet can't wipe specials anymore?

hmmm

[hybrid plover]

when did vet lose the ability to

[distant mural]

Thats exactly what exe stance is for

[hybrid plover]

THIS IS JUST BAIT WHAT AM I DOING

[silver patrol]

no wait he is cooking a bit

[distant mural]

I wipe every elite and special

[azure narwhal]

Plasma with WS alone is enough to nuke any horde or mixed elites/specialists in seconds, the amount of krak spam you can do now gives free passes for any monstrosity fight, that's just things that instantly came to mind, super easy to pull off

[cobalt sparrow]

this gotta be bait

[hybrid plover]

he's burning the house down

[silver patrol]

i do think they should push the vet to be more ranged focused tho

[hybrid plover]

put it out 🧯 🔥

[toxic reef]

I mean it is easier taking skills to help the team because the tree is better

doesn't mean you should

but it is easier

[distant mural]

Hold on

Maybe he just doesnt know

[dusk steppe]

IJS what can vet do that a good arbite or or zealot can't? lemme know maybe I am wrong?

[distant mural]

Idk what yall mean how much more ranged power can he get?

[silver patrol]

ehrm

plasma gun akimbo

[toxic reef]

I ran in to a vet without survivalist on a no ammo maelstrom not too long ago

safe to say

he ran out, my arby didn't

[distant mural]

Well thats just dumb tho

[dusk steppe]

And zealot and arbite have better toughness and toughness DR and HP so it's like not even close RN unfortunately.

[hybrid plover]

i just run double barrel on those

it's fuhn

and you barely run out of ammo

[silver patrol]

i was thinking

[tall torrent]

Are u like a true solo player or smth

[silver patrol]

survivalist is by far the best aura skill right?

[distant mural]

Ill still outdamage your arby ranged easyly lol

[dusk steppe]

WDYM?

[toxic reef]

ye I never run out of ammo with that build of yours

[distant mural]

Exe stance bolter np

[tall torrent]

Just curious

[sly orchid]

Good vets dont need to run survivalist as a crutch

[silver patrol]

what would happen if the talent that has a change to give you one grenade on elite/specialist kill became an aura talent (with increased chance maybe and a cooldown)

[toxic reef]

ye but why wouldn't you run it

[hybrid plover]

no vet runs survivalist as a crutch

they run it because the entire team benefits from it

[toxic reef]

do you really need the sprint speed

[distant mural]

PREACH

[toxic reef]

+5 dmg?

[hybrid plover]

in an adversely significant way compared to any other aura

[silver patrol]

7.5 now

[sly orchid]

Id rather run damage aura or sprint speed

[toxic reef]

right, I'm looking at the build editor and it's not updated

[silver patrol]

that's fair

it's so inconsequential

[dusk steppe]

IJS Vet needs a rework and some love some of his talents are far greater than others - RN Hbuilds rely entirely on buffing the team not really anything he can do that outcompetes anyone else in a team comp that any other class doesn't just do better (imo) he's kinda in a bad spot.

[hybrid plover]

me too. I don't like that survivalist is still a thing honestly

[silver patrol]

they said vet and psyker's trees aren't fully reworked yet right?

[toxic reef]

did they?

[tall torrent]

What does ur vet build look like

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/jordan-stop-it-gif-15830202965985496707

[silver patrol]

i thought the focus was more on the zealot's tree

[sly orchid]

Also denying rumblergryns of ammo is very satisfying

[toxic reef]

didn't they just meant they're still tweaking

like they just did last hotfix?

[silver patrol]

maybe

[hybrid plover]

okay no lie i do this in auric

[distant mural]

Fair enough lol

[hybrid plover]

I actually respect the pettiness

[dusk steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-fire-dumpster-fire-burning-gif-13420145

It looks like a meta build EG: trash or a dumpster fire

[hybrid plover]

do you have a build?

[tall torrent]

Can u show an example of it

[hybrid plover]

like have you made a veteran build?

[toxic reef]

what is even meta vet anymore lol

[distant mural]

Just build whatever lol

[toxic reef]

it's so free

[tall torrent]

Take all damage talents + all toughness grey nodes

Basically can’t make a bad build from there

[sly orchid]

Some of us want to interact with the game

[tall torrent]

Entire tree is illusion of choice

[hybrid plover]

only real concern with vet ya

having

[distant mural]

I accept that i hate rumblergryn pbb too

[hybrid plover]

The Build ™ syndrome

[distant mural]

Fckn braindead

[tall torrent]

Some parts of vet tree are pretty bad (directly above aura, bottom left branch, infiltrate)

But most of it is pretty good

[toxic reef]

it is fun tho

[dusk steppe]

I got u 1 sec

[sly orchid]

Melee vet especially is really good

[hybrid plover]

Bottom right

[dusk steppe]

I do i got u 1 sec gotta swap classes was in a round.

[hybrid plover]

Is so beefed tf up rn

It's nuts how much free damage there is in there

[dusk steppe]

Melee vet is just a bad zealot which is just a bad psycher RN. u r supposed to pew pew y r u meleeing 99% of the time and sucking at it?

feelsvetman.

[hybrid plover]

post it

[sly orchid]

Lol

Melee vet is really good

Turns out that having class creativity is a good thing

Instead of brainless shooting

[toxic reef]

vet's melee nodes are often more cracked than some zealot ones

like imagine zealot with vet's dmg nodes

[dusk steppe]

It's really good like you can kill a few things and don't get overwhelemed as the team covers you? agreed it's better than in the past at times which was basically nothing so agreed.

[hybrid plover]

only thing i wish vet had was a cleave node at this point

[tall torrent]

Bit of an understatement

[distant mural]

Would be too broken with p-sword

[hybrid plover]

glad zealot got one though

[tall torrent]

Vet is 2nd highest melee dps class atm

[cobalt sparrow]

This sounds like bait or massive skill issue

[royal hollow]

Is like, double barrel build doable and viable

[sly orchid]

17 trillion damage

Which is insane

Wouldve thunk zealot or psyker topped that

[silver patrol]

just don't shoot carapace

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately vet still mogged by psyker

[distant mural]

Everyones mogged by psyker

[tall torrent]

This game is just 4 classes fighting for the #2 spot

[sly orchid]

They just crutch on smite and infernus

[distant mural]

Cant even vompare it

[tall torrent]

No

[royal hollow]

I mean, maulers will die of anything, bigger problem are crushers

[tall torrent]

Psyker in general mega busted op lol

[sly orchid]

Melee payker is deranged in terms of damage

[dusk steppe]

smites is kinda bad if u r a psycher RN

[silver patrol]

i don't think double shot even kills a mauler if you aim for the head

[royal hollow]

I love my meleeker

[tall torrent]

So where’s that build u had

[royal hollow]

Aim for the body

[hybrid plover]

i hate that smite is a thing, but this is also just

[silver patrol]

yeah of course, i was talking about capace only

[hybrid plover]

completely incorrect

[dusk steppe]

was Typing and replying MB will post it now working on it.

[hybrid plover]

smite is stupid strong on the right setup too now

[distant mural]

Allways was imo

[hybrid plover]

probably too strong for the fact that it also pauses the game

[silver patrol]

i love the antismite propaganda

[distant mural]

People just hate to play with you if you use it

[hybrid plover]

I mean it's already strong just for being able to cancel the game while it's casted

[silver patrol]

somehow people hate it because it trivialize the game but also hate it because it's weak

[hybrid plover]

But now it can actually do damage.

[dusk steppe]

99% of vet builds outside of small deviations for 1 - 5 talent points depending on the particular build.

[hybrid plover]

And the thing that lets it do damage, also lets it be cast infinitely.

[distant mural]

Allways could with empowered psyonics

Just not huge smg

[cobalt sparrow]

What the fuck

[distant mural]

But it was allways very good cc

[hybrid plover]

no flippin way

[toxic reef]

wtf is screens 3-4

[hybrid plover]

this is a sin

[cobalt sparrow]

What the fuck is that

[hybrid plover]

This is actual heresy

[tall torrent]

It’s actually not that bad like

[silver patrol]

i'm so sorry for what's coming to you

[tall torrent]

I’d rate it a 5/10?

[distant mural]

Stob bashing it and help him

Jesus

[tall torrent]

Could be better?

But it’s not like irredeemable

[silver patrol]

is this DS/plasmagun

[dusk steppe]

@silver patrol yeah

[tall torrent]

If it was plasma then 1/10 build

Ok nvm

1/10 build

[dusk steppe]

DS

[tall torrent]

Yea no this is ass

[toxic reef]

idt I've ever gone full left top tree on vet

[hybrid plover]

Okay real talk this needs some

serious work

[cobalt sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-joe-biden-microphone-interview-walk-gif-2478024445377708296

[tall torrent]

I thought this was like

Power sword + recon lasgun

Given double rending take

[dusk steppe]

lemme check

nope SBG and DS

[tall torrent]

What’s SBG

[hybrid plover]

boltgun...

[tall torrent]

Oh that’s like

Even worse

Owari da

[toxic reef]

maybe they just don't need to play vet

[hybrid plover]

I mean, clearly there's a vision of

The Build ™

[toxic reef]

bottom tree is mostly spot on

[distant mural]

Just post him a good one please damn😂

[tall torrent]

No

Skipped both 25 toughness nodes

In this economy is crazy

[dusk steppe]

I mean vet kinda bad NGL @toxic reef I can't make it work this build was recommended to me and it's absolute ass it was similar to what I made at the top of the tree but it's awful in every aspect compared to everything else RN.

[toxic reef]

well I am being generous

[cobalt sparrow]

It was recommended to you by whomst

[toxic reef]

ok if someone recommended this to you

[hybrid plover]

who recommended this

[toxic reef]

then they're the problem

[distant mural]

The devil himself

[cobalt sparrow]

satan?

[hybrid plover]

we need to talk to them

[tall torrent]

Just play some variation of this @dusk steppe

[hybrid plover]

The Build ™

[dusk steppe]

where's the damage?

[cobalt sparrow]

what the

[silver patrol]

right there

[hybrid plover]

On the bottom right

[silver patrol]

weakspot damage on the left

other damage on the right

[unreal nova]

Traumatises everyone.

[cobalt sparrow]

maybe the damage was the friends we made along the way

[dusk steppe]

Omegabruh, I can't - so support it is for vet RN then?

[silver patrol]

you can't what

[toxic reef]

what of that build is support

shout?

[tall torrent]

(Didn’t even take it)

[toxic reef]

or no ye

[dusk steppe]

it's a pause.

[tall torrent]

10% ranged
15% melee
15% elite
20% ogryn & monster
30% weakspot bonus
25% melee finesse
25% melee/ranged
25% overall
20% overall

[unreal nova]

You can dps even with shout lul.

[tall torrent]

Wdym “where’s the dmg”

[silver patrol]

you really shouldn't think of shout as just support

[tall torrent]

Is this enough damage for u

[silver patrol]

like, taking it doesn't mean you play as the medic

[unreal nova]

It makes space and buys time, like frags.

[silver patrol]

it's just one button you press every 20 seconds or so

most of the game you are still shooting and stabbing

[toxic reef]

I remember old tree vet meeting hunting grounds

I would shout every 5 secs or so

now that was peak support

[dusk steppe]

No on any difficulty that's a good crit though that helps a lot for sure but no. That isn't their typical damage of any vet; the stab is hard carrying on the powerswords third hit in the combo and blockstab unfortunately.

[tall torrent]

What is good damage to u then

[hybrid plover]

running into hunting grounds just to have the means to shout several times in a single second

[dusk steppe]

support.

[unreal nova]

No. It opens things for more stab wounds.

[tall torrent]

Idk what ur definition of good damage is

U said zealot is better at melee

[dusk steppe]

Nerfed support unfortunately but support nonetheless supplying golden toughness to the team and giving you ~2 seconds of time to answer whatever you're fighting.

[tall torrent]

But that’s just not true

Zealot has lower melee dps than vet

[unreal nova]

1 light, 15+ kills.

[tall torrent]

Same goes for arb

Arb is safer mixed horde than zealot cuz better weapons but much lower boss dps, and neither zealot nor arb match veteran’s dps atm

[toxic reef]

ideal DPS at least, arby and zealot can easily be made stun immune

[tall torrent]

Saying arb guns are op is understandable but I’m not sure if they’re better than vet guns given the last update basically gave vet 70% more damage for playing the game

[unreal nova]

Or eat more before going down generally.

[toxic reef]

ye

[silver patrol]

are arb guns op tho

[unreal nova]

Being down/dead means 0 DPS.

[silver patrol]

like, the shotgun mk8 is a glorified revolver

[dusk steppe]

A lot that's solid - but not 'good' RN comporable to the other classes and what they can do unfortunately they are SOLID single target but the arena isn't where you should test anything tbh b/c a round is obviously different in all aspects.

[hybrid plover]

mk3 at least in auric is obnoxiously good

[silver patrol]

yeah but you also got your combat shotguns

[cobalt sparrow]

what…

[tall torrent]

Are u a true solo player or smth

Like

If u are, I’d take this more seriously

[dusk steppe]

I still DK what u mean by that someone who plays the game w/o a group?

[tall torrent]

But you’re saying things that are wildly contradicting what is actually in the game

[unreal nova]

No bots, just you.

[silver patrol]

prob asking if you are a selfish player

[tall torrent]

Do u play this game as challenge runs

[silver patrol]

oh, the true solo mod

[tall torrent]

Solo/duo

Duo is actually harder than solo most of the time but that’s topic for a diff time

[dusk steppe]

I solo queue if that's what you mean random pub lobbies to havocs up to the high 30's (per season b/c it wipes now if u didn't get 40 when it released)

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s not the same thing as solo/duo challenge runs

So ok u just play the avg experience

[cobalt sparrow]

true solo means like just you buddy

just you

[dusk steppe]

How would I know that? He didn't like explain it.

[tall torrent]

I’m not sure how u can reach conclusions of yours

[cobalt sparrow]

truly solo

[tall torrent]

Vet is highest melee dps class atm

Pretty significantly so

[dusk steppe]

I can probably 'TRUE SOLO' up till ~ havoc 20 max and any aurics outside of maelstroms.

[tall torrent]

That means basically nothing tho

[dusk steppe]

with just about anything in my kit depending on the build

[cobalt sparrow]

I don’t think you could true solo your way out of a plastic bag

[plain osprey]

Much to the chagrin of zealot mains

[tall torrent]

they need better weapons, for the most part

[dusk steppe]

@cobalt sparrow if u say so 🤷‍♂️ you can play with me and find out idc lol

[plain osprey]

They need... To delete the class

[tall torrent]

Why delete zealot

[dusk steppe]

Zealot is 'solid' better than vets RN but not great at all just 'ok' vet RN is by far the weakest class IMO. zealot does vets role better.

[tall torrent]

How & why

[plain osprey]

Old meme at that point, mostly directed at ego zealots running off, dying and compromising the team.

I am mostly joking.

Mostly

[hybrid plover]

I don't even think it's worth asking at this point tbh

[tall torrent]

Oh ik

[dusk steppe]

that's a thing for sure.

[tall torrent]

I’m just having fun

[thorn lark]

zealot does vets role better > you mean arbites?

[dusk steppe]

How - zealot outcompetes in melee and DPS, that's his entire 'schtick' from top to bottom his ranged ability's taking the actual decent ranged weapons (which are limited) even scale on all his perks, he doesn't have the exact SAME party buff capability however his is better overall just longer to regen - depending on the skill of the zealot and his clear potential and build/weapon. IJS - He can clear faster - kill faster (specials and hordes) and can AOE stun/support which is kinda vet's role RN it seems like based on what you shared with me earlier as well as my own experience they kinda don't have a niche anymore outside of that. The only difference is that vet can single target out dps a zealot which 'ok' that isn't really significant if the team isn't babysitting the vet in maelstroms or havocs(25+). They are a overglorified support bot RN at best (imo) every class seems to do what they do - but better. If you want Melee DPS you pick psycher - if you want support arbite or psycher - if you want horde clear or save the team zealot (and vet as a backup) that's just kinda what plays out in pub lobbies and overall the playerbase vets in pub lobbies even in havoc if on a vet just die and don't get me started on auric maels they can't play the game generally and are in the wrong place most of the time.

[willow prairie]

bait used to be believable

[dusk steppe]

Do - better I typed that get it together bud.

[willow prairie]

yeah any good example of "outcompete in melee and dps"

"clear faster - kill faster"

I mean the former is true if you're on flamer

calling vet glorified support bot over fucking zealot is wilds

melee wise psyker is strong but nothing beat vet

support arbites????

lmao

[hybrid plover]

no, melee psyker beats melee vet tbh

[willow prairie]

yeah but psword go

[hybrid plover]

melee psyker is aggregiously strong

[unreal nova]

Possible, dog build with nuncio. You only get like 5 free points to spend.

[willow prairie]

my point is arbites tree don't have much for support

you have nuncio and dr but that about it

[hybrid plover]

stun mines

[unreal nova]

That's more stagger build.

[hybrid plover]

actually significant bit of utility there but

[willow prairie]

yeah you run stun mine with lonewolf

[hybrid plover]

kinda cheesy

[dusk steppe]

This is true but if you play him as a support instead of in the front (in the middle or back of the pack/team) he fills the role of support with dog or mines.

[willow prairie]

you don't run them with dog

[unreal nova]

The support build is mostly to enable halfassed one two shots.

Of bosses.

[toxic reef]

the best support is killing stuff

[dusk steppe]

honorable mention to the ogryn which is still better than vet slightly but only b/c he fills the tank role handily outside of arby which is it's own problem - tier RN.

he shines in havoc specifically for this.

[tall torrent]

veteran beats zealot in melee dps atm & kills most things faster
there're actually quite a lot of good ranged weapons for vet atm
power sword is straight up the highest mixed horde clear dps melee in the game

I'm not sure why u say vet can clear & kill faster but still claim zealot outcompetes in melee & dps, isn't that contradictory?

melee psyker is overall highest melee dps however the class isn't good at frontlining (not enough sustained mixed horde dps or spacemaking tools)

vet actually does more for team than zealot: higher carapace dps (great vs rot armor), higher sustained boss dps, higher mixed horde dps, feeds entire team ammo, better sustained ranged dps

chorus zealot trades away a lot of dmg to do team support, and a dps oriented zealot is essentially roleplaying as krak grenade

seems like u have a vague idea of the game but gets a lot of things wrong due to bad player impressions

just my 2 cents

[willow prairie]

arbites over fucking ogryn is wild

[tall torrent]

I think they roughly equal atm tbh

[willow prairie]

yeah

they both have their place

i still think ogryn is a little better since taunt giving 20% damage to entire team + after universal cdr nerf they're the one that got hit the least

so it still kinda spammable

[frigid shuttle]

chorus zealot is budget voc vet

zero reason to play that

[willow prairie]

chorus still have a place on SOME map but you don't need them

[unreal nova]

If you are forced through gas in a horde, chorus is way better.

H40 stuff.

[dusk steppe]

I have 3000 hours are you sure about my takeaway would you like to spectate me solo clearing a maelstrom sir? I will play vet a zealot individually you can record it if you like - as long as I dont get dogged or trapped due to bad play you are free to see the difference - I may NOT be able to complete mael on vet however b/c it's vet so it really can't do it but zealot can it will just take a while.

[tall torrent]

I run double CD for taunt lol

[willow prairie]

zealot is more useful as boss deleter in havoc now

[rancid dragon]

Morning fellow vets

[willow prairie]

playtime =/= skill

[mortal aspen]

this has to be bait

[willow prairie]

yeah it is bait

[mortal aspen]

[hybrid plover]

copypasta

[willow prairie]

I have 3000 hours are you sure about my takeaway would you like to spectate me solo clearing a maelstrom sir? I will play vet a zealot individually you can record it if you like - as long as I dont get dogged or trapped due to bad play you are free to see the difference - I may NOT be able to complete mael on vet however b/c it's vet so it really can't do it but zealot can it will just take a while.

[tall torrent]

damn we doing playtime hrs now?
unfortunately I have even more than u

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[willow prairie]

yeah because youre unemployed

[hybrid plover]

can we not say that word?

it's quite alarming to me

[willow prairie]

J*b