veteran-class

[bold sierra]

Evis, DS, Combat axe you name it

same thing

nothing deals nearly as much dmg as Thammer

[tall torrent]

U can alrdy do this lol it’s not “excessive point spec”

[atomic void]

simply give thammer a big fuck you aoe splash on a fully charged shot to help mixed horde clear
boom weapon solved

[thorn lark]

Why using hammer for horde clear when you can just shoot with your bolter

[bold sierra]

your build is completely different to mine, and there are definitely bosses that are easier to one-shot with shroud. I tested Relic thrust with MY build and it's only like 50%, that's still like 35% less than Thammer lol. Hell with my build, a couple of Martyr stacks and I can use Hammerblow for some even better elite-CC.

not to mention, the fact that Relic's thrust attack requires you to sprint for a bit...heh, that aint nice in an actualy game where you got almost no room sometimes

but that

[tall torrent]

The only 2 talents u need to make shroud chunk bosses is backstabber (which is not hard to take) and 1 point into Time to Kill

That’s it

[bold sierra]

is jsut my preference

[rancid dragon]

MY FELLOW VETERANS

I need help

Naming something

[tall torrent]

Dodge slide changes next heavy atk into stab

[bold sierra]

I dont even take Time to Kill, but I can for even better results

[rancid dragon]

This outfit to be precise T-T
I can’t think of anything

[bold sierra]

but I dont have to

[tall torrent]

Yea what I’m saying is
A shroudfield relic does most of the things TH is taken for, while being way better for mixed horde

Hence TH value comparatively diminished because it’s not the only good boss chunking option anymore

[frozen jewel]

Am i in the wrong server?

[bold sierra]

still need room for that maneuver

[rancid dragon]

No I just need help naming things

I can’t think of anything

[frozen jewel]

How about Judge Fredd?

[steep flower]

i don't consider taking it cause it can be unreliable; you hit an enemy that was facing away from you? you lose the buff and there comes a target you want that buff on - wait 8 sec

[tall torrent]

In my experience it’s not easy to lose TTK’s damage bonus

[steep flower]

those hatchets are glazed with caramel

[tall torrent]

Melee backstab’s angle is pretty specific

[rancid dragon]

What?

[steep flower]

look at the color

[rancid dragon]

His weapons?

It’s not Carmel

[steep flower]

yes; hatchets are WEAPONS

[rancid dragon]

Is peanut butter

[rancid dragon]

I got confused cuz those arnt hatches

[rancid dragon]

Just in case they are allergic

So I get extra damage

[steep flower]

i haven't got nut butter in ages; can't cause poor

[rancid dragon]

Just rob a bank

Pay day and pay day 2 should have taught you this

Smh

[steep flower]

i did not gravitated towards those games

[rancid dragon]

Sad

[red portal]

Pov you rob the sperm bank and get your nut butter that way.

Instructions unclear

[narrow widget]

general chat leaking into vet chat

[red portal]

Ofc

Every chat is shit posting

[narrow widget]

get these freaky boys out of here

[red portal]

Don't believe anything else

[rancid dragon]

No :3

[red portal]

They brought up nut butter and banks in the same conversation

[bold sierra]

it's good, until you run out of charge lol, which ofc can be managed but similar case can be made for everything. I dont want to shit on relic at all cuz I do love the thing, but it doesnt have that great stagger, probably better maybe at staggering Dreg Ragers than Thammer, but if it comes to my build, I have room for Hammerblow. It'd be sad if Thammer is the ONLY good boss dmg melee for Shroud (but imo it is the most consistent and reliable), but it comes down to preference, and I dont like Time to Kill, cuz it's such a one-off talent.

[red portal]

I just ran with it

[narrow widget]

spend ur ults wiser vro

2 charges for a reason

[bold sierra]

no I was talking about bath.rawr talking about relic sword

as in the power meter

[narrow widget]

wait lmao I thought you were talking about fotf

[tall torrent]

It is better at stagger vs most enemies than TH when activated, and even when not activated it’s higher dps so it’s somewhat evened out

TTK is generally up when needed for a shroud hit, and even if u don’t have it, shroud still 1 hit most enemies that aren’t bosses anyway

TTK’s CD is actually pretty closely aligned with shroud’s CD

[bold sierra]

im sure TTK has its moment, but if we're talking a whole talent point just for 1 backstab hit per 8s, specifically for boss? THAT is not worth imo, but that's up to you. I'd probably rather take a more active talent

[thorn lark]

that is the kind of build you take into 3veg

[bold sierra]

also idk, thammer's light attacks deal more dmg than relic's, and actually has good carapce modifier. And afaik, they have VERY similar atk speed.

[narrow widget]

iirc thammer doesn't cleave much tho

unless they changed that recently

[bold sierra]

he's talking normal non-powered light attacks on relic, in which it definitely has higher cleave than Thammer....but mostly negated in H40

[rancid dragon]

Anyone got a good hellbore rifle that dose good damage to big enimes

So I can cover my team and or take out annoying things before they agro

[bold sierra]

god I gotta tinker with helbore again at some point

I tried once when Bound by Duty hit, first game was Rotten Armor and boi it deals no dmg

tho the brittle helps

[calm shard]

but it deals more no damage comparatively!

[hollow ibex]

tbf that's rotten armor's thing

[calm shard]

well no rotten armor's thing is spawning 9 billion more melee elites than normal missions

and always being scab faction

the absurd ranged damage resistance is just a bonus that fatshark decided to tack on because they hate people

[hollow ibex]

tbf

the event was very funny

[calm shard]

forever red ammo zealots who have magdumped every crusher they've seen previously

[bold sierra]

yes. it's still good dmg

[calm shard]

and clearly have no idea how to melee

very funny

[distant plaza]

what's the appeal of the combat knife for veteran?

[hollow ibex]

very fast movement

great dodges

funni attack speed

uncanny strikes synergies with frag bleed

[distant plaza]

repetitive stress injury?

[hollow ibex]

high single target damage

[hollow ibex]

laughs in mods

[distant plaza]

full auto mod does the trick or does it require whatsitcalled
skitarii?

[hollow ibex]

keep swinging if you use mk3 is fine

it just light attack spams

skitarius if you want to use combos/mk6 knife

[narrow widget]

@hybrid plover can tell you all about it

[thorn lark]

you can do the keepswinging part with skitarius too

[hollow ibex]

yeah

skitarius is the full package

[plain osprey]

Currently watching Mr E's melee weapon tier list. I agree with some of his takes but not all of them.

I disagree with his rashaad rating. That thing needs to go higher. The achlys combat axe however is placed perfectly fine in the useless tier. Ive never understood people that used it

[spark helm]

Mods are available explictly for that purpose. And tbh, if you just have better hand health habits like actually takes breaks from higher executio for hours or days at a time via Doing Something Else, it can prevent preventable problems.

[serene bough]

Its a safety stick more or less

[hollow ibex]

your first mistake was watching Mr. E....

[serene bough]

In addition to uncanny synergy w/ bleed

[thorn lark]

you can probably masturbate between runs

[distant plaza]

who would you advise watching if i wanted to git gud at this game?

[thorn lark]

[thorn lark]

git gud how?

do you already have the basics?

[hollow ibex]

gameplay from chocob, but most of the darktide youtubers are dogshit / peddle unresearched bullshit

[thorn lark]

or are you planning for h40?

you can watch Reginald and Ryken XIV

[distant plaza]

i find i can't keep a team alive on damnation as well as i can on heresy
does that count for basics?

[distant plaza]

what do you think of sucsubot?

[spark helm]

Start here if you really wanna just pick up on some basics that'll always matter up to higher levels. The video is old but still relevant.

https://youtu.be/nSglTyG_lXw?si=-wUYeiIjXx6dWzpt

[hollow ibex]

never heard of them lol

[hollow ibex]

you start by prioritizing yourself

[plain osprey]

It was in my recommended and i was bored 🤷🏻

[hollow ibex]

keeping yourself alive is the first step

[spark helm]

Also, don't frame yourself as team carry. Develop yourself to earn that status. Focus more on sharpening your fundamentals.

You can have whatever safe meta builds you want, but if you have poor judgement, positioning, no conscious weapon use, poor target priorities, zero ping judgement, you're going to drop the moment the smallest right things go wrong.

[plain osprey]

This is a team game. Clutching reliably on a high diff is the cherry on the cake. The pinnacle. The crown achievement. Lord knows i aint there and ive sunk over 1500 hours into this game. So dont beat yourself up over this.

If you die the last man standing you did enough

[heavy rover]

Here's my build that I run https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-havoc

[thorn lark]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPwAzbBM6bqqVhEdWs2grZsqgkGLqDSD0&si=0F24OjaBWICgz-dv

the videos about DT are still good and relevant

[serene bough]

If you use mods, consider installing the creature spawned mod for the psykanium

You should learn how to reliably deal with packs of mixed hordes

[thorn lark]

and even @slow sky watched them to gitgud

[spark helm]

@distant plaza

I can't find a video right now but start with knowing how to handle specialists and elites (especially specialists that have cc), be able to judge and address shooters when they exist, learn to control your personal space in melee with push attacks and combos, actually weave in pings and do callouts as necessary/within your capacity and comfort.

There are plenty of guides available that give primers on how to take on bosses and monstrocities as well. If you want to survive, you need to develop your defense and have confidence in your offense. All of this is going to take time so set small goals to keep applying at your leisure. Again, you're not some end all be all even if that's your goal. Be real about yourself and be comfortable with knowing where you made mistakes and just work on what's snagging you a lot.

[distant plaza]

what do you mean by mixed hordes?
hordes of poxwalkers/groaners with like, ragers tossed in the mix?

[spark helm]

Yes.

Mixed hordes is especially about hordes with enemies of different armor classes i.e ragers and maulers in a sea of poxwalkers and groaners.

This can be neglible depending on the class and weapons a player is using, but the base principle is what players can end up switching to in terms of melee combos that are better at handling those kinds of scenarios better.

[serene bough]

Yes. So basically, every situation in auric can be soloed with the right skill and tools. Being effective individually to be able to do this is what separates skilled players from new players. By managing your own abilities and survival, you are more of a team player by virtue of just existing, since you can pull yourself out of any scenario to help your team while simultaneously bejng self sufficient to carry when necessary

This involves learning weapon combos, load outs, dealing with unfavorable/losing situations often, etc.

In short, try not to worry so much about helping your team, they gotta learn these things too

[narrow widget]

• as vet you should be taking out specialists quickly to make the load lighter on your teammates

[hollow ibex]

And because nobody else will do it

[narrow widget]

[heavy rover]

Because they're too busy stealing all the ammo

[thin stone]

Why do people here hate tanner

[slow spade]

Shit takes

[thin stone]

But his builds are good no?

[slow spade]

The playerbase of Darktide can already barely handle poxwalkers as it is

[slow spade]

Maybe now (no clue as I don't watch) but his older takes were whew

[thin stone]

I can handle pox walkers if I don't have to charge my stupid sword every three swings

But people here say that Power Sword is the best melee in game rn

For veteran

[slow spade]

Yeah it only has one real weakness which is the lack of dodges and speed

[narrow widget]

because it is?

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialist helps

[thin stone]

Tanner said the weapon specialist is meh

[narrow widget]

bros lying

lol

[thin stone]

He says the same about people here

[slow spade]

Yeah there's a reason why it's often said Tanner has shit taste

[slow spade]

To be fair, we say the same thing too

[thin stone]

The tanner beef is legendary

Lol

[azure narwhal]

ahh, but there is an important difference

[tall torrent]

If u believe him why’re u asking in here

[slow spade]

The playerbase is dogshit as it is, his older takes like "damage is a dumpstat" were wild to say for players that can barely do Heresy

[thin stone]

I never said I believe him

[slow spade]

True :p

[thin stone]

By barely do heresy, you mean solo heresy?

[azure narwhal]

They are wrong.

[slow spade]

Heresy in general. Have to remember the silent majority of players have builds that are barely coherent

[sharp epoch]

tanner is not very good at the game too

[slow spade]

Just go and inspect players in lobbies

Your eyes will hate

[thin stone]

I can do aurics in a team but definitely not solo with bots

[tall torrent]

It takes a real effort to make a bad vet build now tbh

[tall torrent]

There’s quite literally nothing to like about him

[thin stone]

Oh yeh I've seen some of them

They are ass

I believe I'm a decent player

[slow spade]

They had to idiot proof builds now 😭

[thin stone]

But I get bogged down by garbage teammates

Public lobbies are filled with 3 teammates who have the combined iq of 50

And finding a match here on discord takes forever

[azure narwhal]

that's part of any horde shooter's difficulty climb, learning to play around perilous situations, one of them being perilous teammates

[slow spade]

Which is part of the Tanner beef because his audience would use his builds which numerically weren't that good

Granted I don't watch his stuff now so maybe he's using good stuff now but idk

[thin stone]

I'll admit I'm not that great

I cannot deal with shitty teammates

I cannot carry their sorry asses

[azure narwhal]

it's nothing to drag yourself down about

best thing you can do is stick to your guns and keep playing

[thin stone]

I can however, keep myself out of trouble

[azure narwhal]

it gets better with more hours

[thin stone]

And handle myself mostly

[slow spade]

The hardest thing is handling the hidden trappers and silent dogs

They still get me more than anything

[tall torrent]

Somehow people still post bad builds when you can quite literally make a good build just by taking all the damage talents + toughness nodes

Like seriously it is that simple

[thin stone]

It says 450 hrs on steam for me, but j doubt it's that many in game

[tall torrent]

Take all damage talents + all toughness talents

Done

[azure narwhal]

poxbursters that start ticking too little too late

[slow spade]

Yeah ikr, even the noobtrap nodes like old Longshot were fixed so they don't really have an excuse now

[thin stone]

I saw this 3 week old build of his where he didn't take onslaught on recon lasgun and that felt wrong

[calm shard]

I have taken all damage talents and no toughness nodes and I get by

well aside from like CK which is mandatory

[azure narwhal]

onslaught is very meh in all fairness

[tall torrent]

Literally as long as u take all damage + toughness talents it’s gonna look like some variation of this

[slow spade]

Onslaught is eh on Recon. It "helps" but you have other options that would likely be better

[thin stone]

Options like?

[tall torrent]

Melee vs crusher

[slow spade]

Like better grenade talents

[azure narwhal]

meleeing whatever thing ur using onslaught for, im guessing crushers

[hollow ibex]

takes covering fire

[thin stone]

I can never seem to deal with crushers

They always get me with their overhead hits

[slow spade]

You can also get +10% rending below Tac Awareness which is more consistent

[slow spade]

Dodge in the middle of their swing so they can't track you

[tall torrent]

Get creature spawner and practice

[thin stone]

Ok

[slow spade]

Crusher overheads are mostly dangerous if you don't watch your dodges or dodge too early

[thin stone]

I panic dodge sometimes

And that's when I get cooked

Otherwise I always throw shredder frags and proceed to use my sword

Power sword 6

[slow spade]

Yeah sadly panic dodging is a very bad habit due to it lowering your speed and dodge distance eventually

[thin stone]

I am also never able to do the PS6 Poke attack in hectic situations

That seems to do a lot of damage when charged

[slow spade]

Yeah it's up there as one of the strongest single target attacks

My main advice would be to block push more to create room to charge your sword

[thin stone]

And do the charge block cancel

[slow spade]

Blocks and pushes are 360 degree so you don't have to look at enemies

[thin stone]

Right?

[slow spade]

Yes ideally

There's not really any other special tricks over than spam light attacks and only use uncharged attacks to stagger at best

Though I do sometimes use uncharged attacks because I'm too lazy to charge sometimes

[tall torrent]

Are u able to do all weapon attacks correctly whenever u want to do them

Input-wise

[thin stone]

What does that mean

[tall torrent]

Can u do push atk whenever u want to with correct inputs

[thin stone]

Yes

But I cannot do it in a hectic situation I think

I need to practice that more

[split swan]

Hey my build!

One question I have with this build is if it makes sense to take Rending Strikes

[silver patrol]

it only helps partially with the combat axe i think

[split swan]

Also I'm not totally sure on some of the curio perks I have

[hollow ibex]

What perks?

[split swan]

3x Combat Ability regen, 3x toughness, 1x stamina regen, 2x revive speed

[narrow widget]

he's running combat ability regen toughness revive speed iirc

[split swan]

Also, I play up to Auric Maelstrom, no Havoc

[hollow ibex]

I would prob drop stam regen for a gunner resist but that’s otherwise looks totally fine

[split swan]

I like having revive speed but I can admit it's not necessary

@hollow ibex you also suggested Longshot over OM, I haven't tried that yet so I'll give it a shot

[sharp epoch]

who needs your team anyways

[hollow ibex]

Long shot tends to be better but obviously weapon dependent

[split swan]

And for Ammo Belt, it would be nice (and I wouldn't mind the stam regen node) but I don't find myself running out of ammo

I think it's a skill issue on my part but I find Rashad wants stamina because of push attacks

[vestal olive]

Considering switching out thrust for agile so i can just dodgeslide everywhere.. will help keep that skirmisher up mayhaps

[atomic wyvern]

is this 61 negating the other bits in decimals or something?

[hybrid plover]

What sirosky said but the great thing about knife is having all of that and still holding weight as an actual melee weapon because of vet's talents synergizing with it particularly well

I know I'm late on that

I was schleep

[vestal olive]

at least one other bit yeah.

but that happens anyway you just dont see it

[atomic wyvern]

big enough a difference to have to spend another 100k rolling at brunts? lol

fair enough

looks cool tho

[vestal olive]

nah this is the show piece

yeah exactly

[analog mural]

Literally like 0 difference

Just funny

[atomic wyvern]

that 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% damage makes ALL the difference

the right damage in the right place makes all the difference dr freeman

[sullen scarab]

How's the 2 round burst vigilant autogun?

[hybrid plover]

Eh

[sullen scarab]

Been testing them all out and the 2 round burst one seems more controllable than the 3 round burst one lol

[hybrid plover]

It's more controllable but I just don't feel the same kinda oomph to it as opposed to the semi and three rounder

[sullen scarab]

ahhh ok

the 3 rounder hits so hard but man, the reload on it is kind of slow

definitely needed to disable autofire mod for it too, since it kept bursting super fast LOL

Also i noticed rawr and other people mostly running the weapon specialist build on it, is it because the vigilant autoguns just do so much finesse damage the marksman builds are kind of overkill for it?

Kind of makes sense since like whenever you hit executioner stance everything dies in one burst lol

[hybrid plover]

That's more because of the build ™ honestly

It works really well with any key stone really

But weapon specialist does guarantee your next burst being a crit

[sullen scarab]

ohhh true

i completely forgot about that

[hybrid plover]

And that is very good.

[sullen scarab]

yeah I tried running marksman's focus and stuff without taking skirmisher and oof

its so hard going from powersword/whatever melee just oneshotting all mobs

to having to swing like 6 t imes

Lol, is it worth it to take onslaught

if I'm running tacaxe on top of the autogun

since I'm only on aurics I can swap one of the 25 toughness nodes

[hybrid plover]

I'm gonna be real. It's actually not a bad choice if you're using tac axe

That or rending strikes

[tall torrent]

The semi auto one is the worst

No good 1 taps

[kind spruce]

Assassin hits ftw

[tall torrent]

2r burst is a little better

But 3r burst one has the best 1 burst consistency

[sullen scarab]

yeah the 3 rounder is very consistent on one shotting all the shooters and reapers

the 2 rounder seems like a good hybrid since it doesn't recoil as hard?

[hollow ibex]

All you need is a 100 crit rate

[tall torrent]

It’s also very good on psyker yes

[hollow ibex]

I haven’t even thought about using vigils on psyker tbh

But might not be a bad idea

[sullen scarab]

i might need to lol

i don't really like using the recon lasgun on the psyker

[hybrid plover]

At least the three rounder actually pulls weight

[tall torrent]

It’s basically the halo battle rifle

Not as high dps as full auto but u can beam things

[hybrid plover]

Also I've never been that turned off by the one tap thing since the follow up shots are pretty fast on semi vigil but I guess that does make sense

[sullen scarab]

i guess if you're going to run the vigil 3rounder, it works best with onslaught since its always going to land 3 shots for the stacks

[hybrid plover]

It depends ™

[sullen scarab]

tm....

I'll dick around with the 3 round and 2 round ones in a few matches and see waht I like

[hybrid plover]

Because at least in Auric, rending strikes to already help quite a bit since your burst starts off with the 10% rending

[sullen scarab]

yeah

[hybrid plover]

Onslaught, you gotta build up the brittleness

[sullen scarab]

I just meant more like I'll be taking both rending and onslaught LOL

[hybrid plover]

Oh.

[sullen scarab]

since I'm on Aurics and I can take off one of the 25% toughness nodes

[hybrid plover]

That's fair.

[sullen scarab]

haha

i'm baby

definitly on havocs though

rending is enough from what I've seen

since like....long range autogun has 86% adm on flak I think?

so rending strikes is enough

[hybrid plover]

At that point, you're using both mostly for crushers

[sullen scarab]

yeah

[hybrid plover]

Which with the way this game is currently, actually is kind of justifiable now

[sullen scarab]

yeah lmao

like, whenever I get wiped, its due to crushers waves pushing me into bad positions

[hybrid plover]

I would still just use ur melee for crushers

Since tac axe with those two make it tear through them

[sullen scarab]

but that's what TACAXE IS FOR BABY

yes

see that's the BIGBRAIN part

onslaught and rending for both the tacaxe AND the gun....

the genius cannot be contained

honestly you guys have ruined me, I can't stop using the tactical axe

why is the push attack -> heavy loop so addictive

[tall torrent]

Don’t think onslaught is needed

[hybrid plover]

Maybe not "needed"

[sullen scarab]

it probably isn't needed, but it'll be funny lol

[hybrid plover]

But it helps

[sullen scarab]

like if I were to go to havocs I'd put it back into toughness

[faint beacon]

Onslaught isn’t needed I only really see it as playable if you’re doing Serrated Rending/Brittle shenanigans

But I strictly keep that for Captain/Twins

[void dragon]

So I just saw a Boltgun II trailer and I have to ask, does Sister's of Battle always had a frigging crossbow weapon? And who we have to kill to get one for zealots?

[slow spade]

There are crossbows but idk their names

[glossy knoll]

looks like a Purgatus or Stake Crossbow

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:PurgatusCrossbow.jpg here's a Purgatus per the lexicanum

would be a wonderful Zealot ranged unique

[jade flower]

question what would be the best blessings for a the boltgun? I can't decide between the two options that are recommended on the docuguide thingie.

the options are pinning fire + shattering impact
or a combination of surgical, puncture and cavalcade.

[hybrid plover]

pinning fire + puncture

[jade flower]

have I been reading the guide wrong?..

[hybrid plover]

which guide are you looking at?

[hollow ibex]

Maybe HOTE 🤔

[hybrid plover]

but to give an explanation, those two blessings synergize really well with each other and give the most generalist results for the bolter

surgical is exclusively for turning bolter into a marksman weapon, cavalcade demands you mag dump to get use out of it and shattering impact is mostly for bosses

[tall torrent]

Puncture + pinning fire

[slow spade]

Of note, puncture does not apply on the AOE of the bolter shell

Would be cool if it did Fatshark

[hybrid plover]

We don't need another rumbler situation tbh

[slow spade]

Just send more crushers everyone loves crushers c:

[void dragon]

How much you lose by taking shattering impact and puncture? Particularly for the new Bolter

[tall torrent]

Why would u drop pinning fire for mk3 boltgun

[void dragon]

I am the dumb one, I make mistakes, but I ask to try to correct my ways (so for shrimpact you pair it with Pinning fire?)

[tall torrent]

The variant that maximizes explosion radius & stagger

And somehow u want to drop the stagger-based damage blessing for it

[spark helm]

Definitely wanna at least maximize what that mark can do with pinning fire. It's a pretty huge difference by comparison.

PF is what'd I'd say is the anchoring blessing there.

[void dragon]

I already conceded that I'm the dumb one OK?

XD

[spark helm]

You don't need to dog yourself out as much as vet chat/the discord can inspire lol

[tall torrent]

Nah just, I think of this as a very logical conclusion

[spark helm]

It's just one of those things where you really want to actually tailor the weapon to its output and function much more than otherwise.

Like surgical on it in this case isn't worth it for example.

Calvalcade too imo and experience. It just won't put up those numbers. It can't.

[void dragon]

Bleeding+brittleness good, but I take that for the gun itself the stagger is the selling point

[spark helm]

Yup

To a T

If you want, just save materials to make that change and feel it for yourself.

Luckily, the mark itself doesn't benefit from dump stat pivots at all and bolter isn't a gun that really wants to deviate from that standard for now.

[tall torrent]

Yes

[spark helm]

So at the very least, you can rely on that and just focus on complimentary perks and blessings.

[void dragon]

Will be interesting to feel that bolter hit harder with that change, from having it with bleeding for a while since it's what it had from Hadron (so it's all her fault)

[spark helm]

I personally prefer that mark with puncture and pinning fire.

Frenzy is a hard maybe. I haven't ran enough games with it and pinning fire to make a case for it.

[void dragon]

Will probably build one additional in the future, I just have ran a shrimpact bolter for a while on my Stealth grenadier so want that (and the new bolter mk feel that works well on it)

[spark helm]

Fair enough and that's cool that you were willing to use it with that setup. I'll consider it myself probably. I like it a lot with voc and ws builds because of the fluidity of it. It's a lot of fun especially with juiced up shredders.

And then ye olde p. Sword as a placeholder melee for now.

With what I do at least

[hybrid plover]

a lot since the new bolter isn't really a good bossing weapon and that's entirely what shattering impact is for

[spark helm]

^

[hybrid plover]

and you're trading

what is basically the objectively best blessing for it

seriously, pinning fire is a must on the new bolter

there's nothing that has the kind of synergy with the weapon like it

now puncture

while it is generally the better second blessing, there's an argument to be made for fire frenzy

since that will buff the aoe damage but it becomes a much more exclusively short ranged weapon that way

[tall torrent]

Shattering is not a bossing blessing

It’s just for crusher

[hybrid plover]

I wouldn't even want to try and utilize a bolter for crushers anyway in that case so

[void dragon]

Anti Caparace blessing, which works for my build since it's frag nadier since I'm using underhand frags to amp the damage of explosion and bleed from them

[hybrid plover]

Ammo count isn't really there to do that consistently

[void dragon]

Also a knife

[void dragon]

Yeah, but I don't want to get that close to the plasteel jerk conga unless they are on the ground, and when they stand one can shoot the pack of perpetrators

[orchid hemlock]

Ur a boss blessing 😈

[void dragon]

Path, soon on your omnissiah blessings to carry you on your havoc games

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, I'd just abuse the uncanny frag synergy in that case.

[tall torrent]

I went to play a silly duck extraction shooter game and also studied for exams so haven’t been updating guide

[void dragon]

Doing well on tests mate?

[split swan]

Is Tinkerer needed for Kraks on Auric?

[hybrid plover]

No.

[split swan]

didn't realize you can still one-shot crushers without it

[hybrid plover]

Or. Well. It depends. If you're running The Build ™

As long as you have full skirmisher stacks, you will one shot a crusher

[void dragon]

I think without buffs you BARELY left them with a few 100 HP?

[hybrid plover]

But without, no they won't one shot a crusher.

[tall torrent]

Outside of havoc no
In havoc just consider veteran as a lv29 character if u take krak

[hybrid plover]

Level 29 vet still being capable of crazy numbers regardless so it's not a huge loss lol

[hollow ibex]

Yeah you just need skirmisher

Don’t know if it’s full stacks

[tall torrent]

Yea unfortunately psyker is a lv30 character

[split swan]

Also @hollow ibex - thanks for Longshot suggestion I didn't miss OM whatsoever

[hybrid plover]

Petition to cut 5 levels off of psyker

And the game's fixed.

(It's not)

[tall torrent]

Not enough

[hybrid plover]

God psyker is so busted

[hollow ibex]

Yeh glad you like it. I only take OM on my WS DB build basically

Oh and helbore bolter builds

But I take long shot on those builds too

[void dragon]

That bad is the psyker power?

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

Psyker is fundamentally broken as a class and has been for a while

[void dragon]

I knew it needed those defense perks tuned Dow but that's crazy

[tall torrent]

Even if power sword could use cycler, sunder, BM, slaughterer and rampage all at the same time

Veteran is still not half as good as psyker

[hybrid plover]

And now it's just better because they have actual means of resisting damage. And very consistent means, mind you.

[slow spade]

Granted it has to be a good psyker

[faint beacon]

Incredibly easy means to maintain high peril also

[void dragon]

What's what make the class so good? The soulblaze damage and uncanny strike? Or there is something more?

[faint beacon]

Clearly we need more psyker buffs

[faint beacon]

Theres so many things on psyker that could’ve used nerfs but got buffed instead

It’s fucking insane

[slow spade]

Good reliable toughness regen, shields, good damage, the most reliable cooldown reduct, etc etc

[faint beacon]

Before vet rework easily half the talents could’ve used toning

[void dragon]

Legit was expecting soul fire to be a little less damage when you have it not fully stacked

[hybrid plover]

Soulblaze, staves in general, force swords have a great blessing pool, force greatsword has warp slash, amazing toughness regen, reliable ability upkeep

[slow spade]

The only real issue is psykers are squishy

[hybrid plover]

Just a Dream just flat out giving you 25% damage reduction bow

[hybrid plover]

Nupe

That is no longer the case.

[slow spade]

But you can just pop shield

[void dragon]

Not anymore

[hybrid plover]

Psyker can actually tank now.

[slow spade]

Ah

[void dragon]

Psyker now are no more malnourished glass jaws

[tall torrent]

1. soulblaze's ability to scale DPS indefinitely into density thanks to talents & blessings
2. psyker's weapons that straight up don't interact with cleave therefore further nullifying density
3. psyker has busted CDR (yes even after CDR rework and nerf)
4. psyker's direct dmg scaling is ludicrous for how many buffs u have (u quite literally can spawn in with 22.5% base crit chance on a finesse class)
5. smite

[hybrid plover]

Assuming you run the two nodes that give you damage reduction which

Why wouldn't you

[tall torrent]

Psyker actually got quite a bit better defensively

Just a Dream being added

[void dragon]

Tbh, the psychinetic aura nerf was dumb tame, it should be 40% not 60%

[tall torrent]

Warp charges’ peril reduction subnode being buffed

[hybrid plover]

It's not even a nerf really

It's more like a rework

[tall torrent]

Empyric resolve not being needed anymore

[faint beacon]

This talent alone made Vet the squishiest class in the game btw

[void dragon]

Also smite should have a heat meter so if it overchatges you take HP damage

[tall torrent]

Which means better toughness gain than before

[tall torrent]

Nah

[faint beacon]

And they still argue veteran is tankier than Psyker

LMAO

[hybrid plover]

And that ended up actually benefiting psyker more than anything

[tall torrent]

40% is too much

[slow spade]

On top of having some of the most reliable ults

[faint beacon]

And warp charges

[void dragon]

I mean, it could be more, but 60% for the scared ObeseFish standard was already too much

[hybrid plover]

They do not know better

[faint beacon]

And a CD aura

[tall torrent]

25% at most

[hybrid plover]

Ignorance is bliss.

[faint beacon]

And a CD talent

[void dragon]

Actually yeah

[tall torrent]

And frankly psyker abilities should just have longer CD than others

[hybrid plover]

The misconception that psyker is squishier than vet

[tall torrent]

40~45s for shriek would prob be fine

[hybrid plover]

Unironically

Is coming from shout

Because vet has a means of golden toughness, they "seem" tankier.

[narrow frost]

Imo psyc aura got buffed

[slow spade]

Which just got a 33% duration nerf too lol

[tall torrent]

It got more consistent to maintain full uptime

[void dragon]

Feel that part of the fantasy is using them more, but there should be a better trade

[narrow frost]

Higher uptime and it will count down gaze cool down when while gaze is active

[tall torrent]

And the duration nerf is like 2s lol

[narrow frost]

So easily 100% gaze uptime

Psyker is so dumb

A huge mistake

[hybrid plover]

Psy aura got buffed for psyker specifically while making it a fully selfish ability.

[narrow frost]

More Dr then vet

The best ability cool down

[faint beacon]

Poxwalkers don’t even hurt psyker as much but you can still get walkered as Vet in H40 lmao

[tall torrent]

Psy aura should swap with tactical awareness

Actually

[narrow frost]

Ohhh

[void dragon]

Def got buffed from pre rework

[faint beacon]

One stray walker hit instantly killing you

[void dragon]

I wasn't able to chain gaze before

[narrow frost]

Interesting

[hybrid plover]

That also benefits from your team killing those targets

Which

Why?

Who thought that was a good idea?

[slow spade]

Yeah the psykinetic "buffs" are wild lol

[faint beacon]

Waiter waiter

More psyker buffs please

[narrow frost]

Buff gaze again

[hollow ibex]

Assail buffs when

Is so trash

[narrow frost]

For the 10th time in a row

[hollow ibex]

Hasn’t been buffed in like two patches!

[tall torrent]

This game is only fun when psyker is not being played

[faint beacon]

Three now I think lmao

[narrow frost]

Real

[slow spade]

The weirdest thing is they keep buffing psyker for like no reason

[faint beacon]

It’s been only getting buffed

[tall torrent]

6

lol

[narrow frost]

The game feels so much better without a psyker on the team

[faint beacon]

SIX?!

[hybrid plover]

There is a reason.

[faint beacon]

FYM SIX?!

[slow spade]

To be fair, I love shield psykers

[narrow frost]

Burger and I were playing H40 all night and the 1 game I invited a psyker they swapped purg and ruined the game for us

[void dragon]

Taking the souls of the enemies falling around you is fine, but the CDR should be WAY smaller

[void dragon]

Make EP turn assail shards into mini grenade chunks

[slow spade]

Fuck smite paykers though

[hybrid plover]

Psyker is a class a lot of newer players struggle with

[tall torrent]

Yea I think it’s like 5 or 6

[hybrid plover]

And yet a lot of newer players gravitate towards the funny space wizard class

So it creates this implication that the class itself has a problem

[slow spade]

Yeah it is funny that psyker doesn't seem op because 95% of its users are dogshit

[tall torrent]

The combat design breaks completely as long as a single psyker is being played

[narrow frost]

Yup

[faint beacon]

H40 becomes

Auric

With a purg psyker

[narrow frost]

Who would've thought that scaling difficulty with density is mitigated from a class that has infinite cleave for 50% of their kit

[hybrid plover]

When no, it's just that it's a class with a somewhat higher skill floor, but the skill ceiling is so high that a psyker who knows what they're doing will completely change the way the game feels

[void dragon]

Me who used to like gun/meleeker:

[narrow frost]

This is why I love modded difficulty on Vermintide

They add new enemies

Change stagger system

Not even modded

Deeds

Twitch

Weeklies

Such a better system

[tall torrent]

I don’t think those would change psyker being op even if they got added

It would have to be incredibly fundamental & harsh nerfs to bring it down in line

[slow spade]

Next enemy are Blanks UwU

[tall torrent]

Been saying this for months psyker needed like 80 nerfs to be a balanced class

[narrow frost]

Fair enough, but sienna still wasn't able to keep up since the modders could always nerf her if needed

We love modded realm

[tall torrent]

Now we’re looking at like 95+ nerfs needed to bring psyker back in line

[narrow frost]

I have a clip from last night

[timid otter]

Nerf infernus and psyker is way less strong of a class

[narrow frost]

A arby vet and ogryn got pinned down in ascension riser beginning

I pull out my las pistol and walk forward

Not taking any damaging

[hybrid plover]

Nope. Gonna take a lot more than that.

[narrow frost]

Kill them all in 2 seconds

[timid otter]

Its cleave that makes psyker good, infernus is the best cleave weapon in the game.

[narrow frost]

Purg staff is like 1/10 of the problem

[hybrid plover]

That's the tip of the ice berg

[void dragon]

How many of those nerfs apply yo gunker without PA?

[void dragon]

Would making it Deal more damage on impact but no more infinite cleave be enough?

[hybrid plover]

There's way more fundamental issues with psyker than the infinite cleave potential

[tall torrent]

A solid 25~40%?

[faint beacon]

I watched that when I wasn’t busy playing BF6

[void dragon]

Even when trying I'm still unfair and also unbalanced, I cry

[narrow frost]

I just walked around

50 reapers?

No problem

Las pistol

Pew pew

3 tapped them

Took no damage

I also had no soulblaze in that build and I still did nearly 3 mil

[void dragon]

The dodge on crit should be on headshot

[narrow frost]

It should have cool down

There is a reason why psykers take recon/las pistol

High crit and fire rate

And IAG

Easily exploitable

Immune for 2 sec, cooldown 15 sec

Idk

[tall torrent]

Not enough

[tall torrent]

15s cooldown is crazy

[narrow frost]

Throwing random numbers

I like the idea of a cooldown

[tall torrent]

I think just crit-weakspot requirement and 1s ICD is enough

[narrow frost]

Crit weak

Hmmm

Hmmm

Sounds fair

[tall torrent]

Nah ur gonna get psyker mains complaining that it’s too much of a nerf XD

Because they can’t cheese ranged enemies completely

[narrow frost]

Anything that gets changed will be complained about

Look at the heavy hitter change

Lmao

"ITS A NERF!!"

[tall torrent]

Ik that because I was told it’s too much of a nerf by psyker chat

lol

[narrow frost]

1% melee damage less

[void dragon]

You should headshot AND crit

15 sec is hate to the class, and I'm sad that is deserved

Psyker racism is now on the menu

And it was absolutely neefed

The horror

[narrow frost]

Psyker has too much anti game mechaic in their kit

[void dragon]

Would be good that instead of immunity Crits grant it ranged damage reduction?

[narrow frost]

Infinite cleave, insane cdr, infinite ammo, infinite stagger, ranged immunity, can't explode form peril

And you can take them all on the same build

[tall torrent]

Quelling peril should damage toughness just like venting plasma

[narrow frost]

Exactly

[hollow ibex]

God forbid psyker be forced to interact with cleave mechanics like every other class!!

[narrow frost]

That's been talked about since DT launch

Look at sienna

They had the system before

[tall torrent]

In fact take it 1 step further

[narrow frost]

Health?

[tall torrent]

Building peril should ALSO damage toughness

[narrow frost]

Lmao

[tall torrent]

U draw power from the warp to cast magical bs

Shouldn’t u be less tough while doing so?

[void dragon]

I feel that building peril taking damage is the right path, quelling to restore it makes some sense

[tall torrent]

No, do both

[faint beacon]

Dare I say

Any meaningful psyker nerf

[tall torrent]

Is not gonna happen

[void dragon]

So we remove the toughness on quell perks?

[faint beacon]

Might have enough backlash to make the PS nerf look like a joke

I’m not backing down on that take

That psyker players are unironically some of the most pampered

[tall torrent]

It prob will

[faint beacon]

I’ve ever seen

[void dragon]

I just a lil annoying that it seems that there is no more honest and fair and also balanced way to play sparkhead, he too broken

[narrow frost]

DT 2 when?

[faint beacon]

When the COD Zombies storyline gets fixed

[tall torrent]

The most privileged players in this game

[faint beacon]

But

Veteran is cause of um

Golden

Ig

[narrow frost]

The most toxic is psyker usually

In my experience

[tall torrent]

There’s only 2 I think? Both could do more interesting things

[narrow frost]

They want a Frontline to baby then so they farm damage

[void dragon]

Honestly the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of toughness damage from using peril related effects and staffs, that would be a REAL peril management than the stupid 100% number or go boom

[tall torrent]

This so much

[faint beacon]

Idk the two classes I consistently respect the most is like

Vet and Zealot

[hollow ibex]

Mfers on their third talent tree already. FS not beating favorite class allegations

[faint beacon]

Arby and Ogryn under them

[tall torrent]

Also reaching 100% peril should just kill

[void dragon]

One quell, other on generating it

[faint beacon]

I don’t respect Psyker too much at all

[tall torrent]

No venting peril to prevent boom

Just die

[faint beacon]

Class is just busted

[tall torrent]

Not even down

Reach max peril and u just go into spectating screen

[void dragon]

Yeah, manage your peril or DIE

[faint beacon]

Too much of a nerf

Actually should heal you clearly

[void dragon]

I used to like it when it was dangerous to play it, now I just don't feel that I'm playing fair and I HATE that

[faint beacon]

Yeah why do you think I rarely touch psyker now

My ass is playing Arby more than Psyker

Lmao

[narrow frost]

Have you seen the bug with crystal will?

You don't take damage when you explode

One sec

[void dragon]

I stopped playing it when I noticed how much juice it for when I already felt it was in a good spot

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah that

[tall torrent]

There’s no “ride the line” with peril

When u can just bail urself out of it

[tall torrent]

All other 4 are respectable
Though I think zealot’s gimmick is the weakest among them

[faint beacon]

It’s trauma but better

[tall torrent]

No

But srsly

[faint beacon]

So imagine trauma

Max damage

At 16+ m

[void dragon]

That's why toughness damage is so genius way to do it

Real risks

[sharp epoch]

Idk I think chorus might be one of the strongest support abillities in the game

[tall torrent]

Generating & quelling peril should both damage toughness
Reaching max peril should just kill (not down) with no way to bail self out

[tall torrent]

Zealot’s gimmick is either chorus baby or roleplaying as a krak grenade

Neither I find that interesting

Chorus is one of the strongest support abilities yes

[void dragon]

Not even a single purifier fire build for gunzealot

[tall torrent]

But the class isn’t built well around it (the weapons are balanced assuming u have a damage ult and it’s very apparent)

[tall torrent]

lol

[void dragon]

If using warp abilities is toughness damage, what is the safe and risky way to regain it? Melee seems ok as risky but what about safe?

[faint beacon]

Ainz carried me through a 33? When havoc S4 just dropped

With this build alone

[tall torrent]

Melee only

[narrow frost]

was funny

[faint beacon]

Like I was actively trying

He was killing everything

Before we could do anything

Fucking Gloriana Havoc

Became a joke

[void dragon]

You just described ogryn pre their rework, but with glassbones

[faint beacon]

Like bro what

[tall torrent]

Yea but I don’t mind psyker doing bonkers damage if they actually gotta ride the line in more ways than 1

[faint beacon]

Unchained Sienna basically

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-explosion-gif-7563607804576630642

me

[void dragon]

They would not ride the line, with no toughness on impact melee they will die, I can assure you the class will die on command

Not even mentioning the staff only nerds backlash

[slow spade]

Yeah the problem with nerfing psyker is only like 5% of psykers are any good at psyker

[void dragon]

Psykers numbers will become lore accurate

[static radish]

ok

[sharp epoch]

The only psykers I have a problem with are the ones abusing bugs or macros

[static radish]

i got a real reason to use the knife on vet now

[void dragon]

There was always a reason to use knife on vet

[static radish]

special knife animation

[tall torrent]

Wdym with no toughness on impact melee they will die

Veteran doesn’t have that either

Does veteran die on demand

[narrow frost]

I wonder how much DR Psyker can get now

*in practice

[hybrid plover]

I know they can at least get up to 35% pure damage reduction

[void dragon]

Gunfire will kill so many of them because using their abilities will counteract their toughness regen, which vet don't have, so melee will be much a risk but when you have no melee enemy in sight and it's all ranged and oops, you have no bubble/walls it's time to cry in a corner and let the oven sniper do the job

[tall torrent]

x0.192

[sharp epoch]

tankier than vet on god

[tall torrent]

Warp atk kill for toughness is ok as well

But can’t be much

[hybrid plover]

Yeah no 35% is just

Thing is zealot and ogryn have means of dr

but they're at least more situational than what psyker has

[void dragon]

That def will need some fine tuning, what when they have no toughness? Tossing assail will make them take HP damage or just from the gunfire they will inevitably take?

[hybrid plover]

Psyker's DR just comes from playing the class

[royal hollow]

That knife is beautiful

[tall torrent]

Health damage, but not as much as toughness

Plasma’s venting damage has a 2x multiplier on toughness

Same can go for psyker

[void dragon]

Feel that only the most cracked players will be psykers in that case... I'll probably come back to play the class again in that timeline

[static radish]

even the bomber likes it

[void dragon]

Even heresy can't deny coolnes

[static radish]

true

[static radish]

what

[hybrid plover]

his hands aren't as close together but close enough

[static radish]

oh yeah

true

i hate crushers btw

they dont like the knife

[tall torrent]

Actually thinking about it

Building = toughness damage
Quelling = toughness gain
Seems better

[static radish]

he's looking at my sick trick with disgust

[void dragon]

Told ya

[tall torrent]

Still wouldn’t change that using warp while getting shot at = double toughness loss

Intentionally so

[void dragon]

Psykers will actually need to be in coherency to recharge fellowship to counteract the voices in his head

[static radish]

whats all the psyker talk?

[void dragon]

Psyker is beyon broken strong

[slow spade]

Vet is actually a psyker this while time

[tall torrent]

It’s the most broken class in the game, so broken that it breaks this game’s combat entirely

[void dragon]

Nah, veteran is unfair yet more farinthan psyker

[static radish]

you talking about the skill that makes you dodge ranged attacks on crit or,,?

[void dragon]

That AND MORE!

[slow spade]

They just have a tool for any situation

The only issue I can recall is most psyker builds have eh boss damage

[tall torrent]

No they just break the game

[static radish]

sorry ill stop with the knife animation joke

its really fun tho

[void dragon]

Me stabbing the monstrosity/captain head with me super finesse sword to nuke it: I don't believe in you, ergo you don't get to exist

[tall torrent]

Fortunately bosses aren’t the most dangerous enemies in this game

[void dragon]

Psyker gets so much crit and finesse damage that the supposedly low monstrosity damage feels like propaganda

[slow spade]

True, only the scary daemonhost gets me

[hybrid plover]

They have boss damage but nothing that can straight up nuke bosses

[royal hollow]

Try scrier's gaze gsword meleeker
Immortal
Good boss dmg
Good clear

[static radish]

thammer zealots are asking you to hold their book

[hybrid plover]

Like tinkered kraks or thammer zealots

[void dragon]

You just said Kraks and kraks

[hybrid plover]

Yes I did.

[royal hollow]

I'm having an easier time one shotting bosses with evis rather than thammer tbh
Especially daemonhosts

[tall torrent]

I already know that they can build for hilarious boss dps

It’s just very build specific

[void dragon]

The boss is just the distraction, the real killers are the trappers and the maulers hidden inside the crusher conga

[void dragon]

When you have enough time to channel the special hit you can nuke crushers as fast as Thammer, it's just riskier when the plasteel jerk conga is coming at you

[static radish]

fair

but bonk is bonk

[royal hollow]

I mean, i genuinely think that for overall dmg evis is better with fotf

But thammer with shroud is just miles easier to use

Thammer overall is easier to use

[void dragon]

Fotf Evis has powerful nuke with good brawling, Thammer shroud trade it's Brawling with the power to tell a boss is no longer his turn to play the videogame

[tall torrent]

TH’s brawling is ass

But so is Eviscerator tbh

[void dragon]

My point exactly

[tall torrent]

Both are ass at it

Both need to be better

[void dragon]

What's the evis missing?

[tall torrent]

Sticky stagger type is ass

[royal hollow]

I mean, both just delete the boss/elite with ability

[tall torrent]

And mk3 can use more single target damage

[royal hollow]

But it's annoying to use evis into a pack of elites

It drags

[faint beacon]

In Darktide, Psyker turns the game off immediately and makes all other classes obsolete

[void dragon]

Not even gunker is fair anymore

[tall torrent]

When was it fair

I don’t remember

[calm shard]

(never)

it had like

a bit of a skill floor when psyker was squishy

but that was the same skill floor that every other class (except zealot) had to abide by

Can you melee without getting hit more than once every 5-ish seconds?

[void dragon]

Make emphatic evasion be ranged damage reduction instead of immunity

[pulsar zephyr]

Infinite stun go brr

Wrong chat dang

[wild vortex]

anybody here uses For The Drip mod?

is it as unstable and prone to crashes as Weapon Customization?

[calm shard]

far worse

[wild vortex]

[calm shard]

for the drip is probably the most unstable mod for this entire game

[wild vortex]

fiddlesticks

[calm shard]

at least if you actually like

use it for model swaps

And all that nonsense

I literally only ever used it for recoloring things and that worked fine

But anything beyond that was crash central

And also having to navigate the nightmare UI

[ancient path]

zealot goes down, its just me left -- other 2 are dead

zealot is far away from extract

i see extract, i see zealot

https://tenor.com/view/marilyn-monroe-bye-bitch-cya-see-ya-gif-4842576

what do you want me to do-- put on my hero music and come save you

theres like 2 trappers and 3 hounds running after my irish ass + whatever the fuck downed you

[stuck gorge]

that zealot should be proud to die a martyr

they're the true heretic

[sullen scarab]

longshot or one motion for the vigilance autogun?

[midnight wyvern]

long motion

longshot good

[sullen scarab]

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-gen-v-gen-v-episode-8-generation-v-gen-v-homelander-gif-14421663079625917981

Vigilants

And one motion

This should a given you want the yummy LS stocks cause it’s effected by normal drop off

Swap speed of vigils also is already good I’d say always take LS with that rifle

Now if it was a Las weapon it’d be a different story

Reverse fall off etc etc

[primal zealot]

suppose i was to take vet in havoc for a change ... whats the build here ? do i have to suffer through pee sword or can i just toothpick ?

[toxic reef]

you can

[faint beacon]

You can play Taxe

[toxic reef]

I used to run shout WS with plasma on old tree

[faint beacon]

Like right side tree Taxe mops through high havoc with ease

[toxic reef]

there's also the shovel DB build by axe gremlin

you can helbore exec stance

all grenades are viable

[midnight wyvern]

bolter shout, stack damage and remove bosses

vet many build

[obtuse finch]

What melees go well with the braced autogun?

[hybrid plover]

tac axe, combat axe, combat knife mk6 are all pretty good top contenders

if not that, chainaxe and shovel are also perfectly usable depending on how you run them. weapon variety isn't terrible with vet melee tbh

[faint beacon]

Notice how all good vet melees are either an axe or a knife

[hybrid plover]

i mean

there's

that weapon

but i dont wanna talk about that

[faint beacon]

DC but better

[hybrid plover]

yes

let's call it that

[faint beacon]

Still severely disappointed with the Falchion even though I still use it every so often

[midnight wyvern]

is BAG normal mobility?

or higher than average

PS being low would like a higher mob ranged weapon if possible so its also a good choice, probably a good choice either way

[delicate tiger]

SNUB NOSE REVOLVER IS CRACKED

[tall torrent]

avg~low

[blissful stump]

hey whats the dump stat for shovel?

[narrow frost]

mobility, for mk1 defense could be considered for the reduced push attack cost since PA is its strongest single target attack

[blissful stump]

pairing with hellborne las, so maybe defense then , for better mobility

[steep flower]

nah you dont need mobility to be 80; dump it & keep def at 80 - you'll be able to push more

[blissful stump]

aighteo

[hollow ibex]

2 dodges

😭

[midnight wyvern]

lmao

yike

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s stupid. Esp on Graia, the gun that make you brace to have full rpm

Braced autos in general require you to be stationary for accurate shots

Only giving it two dodges is just meme decision

[umbral scaffold]

Hey, Siro. Thanks for the IAG build the other day. Been having a ton of fun with it! Tbh I kinda like it more than my recon build. It’s ammo hungry as hell, but because it’s so damn strong, I have others in groups finding ammo for me

[hollow ibex]

lol nice glad you like it!

Its also very strong in melee

Because of all the bottom right talents

So there’s a lot of flexibility

[distant plaza]

and now i have three of them ^_^

[willow prairie]

Damn bro need to be shot

[calm shard]

god I love chainaxe

fucking hilarious that thing can kill crushers as fast as it does

2 light attacks in auric lmao

[wooden oriole]

Is there a link to current vet builds?
I wanna run a double barrel shotgun

[dense river]

Whats good perks on recon lasgun? Crit chance and?

[dapper coyote]

Flame, the uhh

The one that burns alot

[dense river]

Infernus?

I am running infernus + dum dum

I mean the perks

damage boosts and stuff

[umbral scaffold]

100%. With weapon specialist on PS, it’s actually disgusting how fast those sword swings come out

[umbral scaffold]

Chain axe is something I never was a massive fan of until recently. I’ve made it work on zealot before, but the new update did wonders for chain weapons. Especially the eviscerators!

Kinda thinking I may try a chain sword build sometime soon. I never really fucked with it much, but tempted to now

[hollow ibex]

DB build

Though really you can run DB on any WS build

Doesn’t need to be infil

[hollow ibex]

I take crit unyielding

But crit flak is good too

[umbral scaffold]

I tried the stealth shotgun build last night. Tbh, I dunno what it is, but the DB and me….are never gonna become friends I don’t think

[hollow ibex]

it took a while for DB to click for me but it’s stupid strong

I mean it’s really the only gun that can efficiently be used to horde clear

[wild vortex]

holy shit

I need to try that

[wild vortex]

also how you do dis

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s fun. Prob the least memey way to run infil lol

[umbral scaffold]

Oh I’ll keep trying it for sure. I’m sure one day I will learn greatness with it

[hollow ibex]

It’s very simple. You take manstopper and flechette. Kill three guys with melee, fire one shot into the thickest part of the horde

(Run with WS obviously)

[umbral scaffold]

It’s gonna be fun when I get the hang of it. I’m just used to all the rapid fire weapons in the game, so it’s a new adventure!

When you only get 1 or 2 shots, every miss is felt big time

[pastel perch]

why does Hadron sometimes drop "varlet" with a hard V

[wild vortex]

There needs to be a mute Hadron mod

[hollow ibex]

Back when she was commissioned, the Imperium bureaucracy did not mandate sensitivity training

[dense river]

Yet Kayax is much nicer

And much older probably

[umbral scaffold]

I actually like Hadron, A lot.

But yea, Kayax is amazing. I’m genuinely sad that he’s not in the game as much

[hollow ibex]

He’s even worse. He throws around pr*-******* as if it’s still the thirtieth millennia

[dapper coyote]

FREE RANGE PRE SERVITORS

Mfs still remembers cage or free range chickens

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/you-can't-say-that-anymore-morty-rick-and-morty-you're-not-allowed-to-say-that-now-adult-swim-gif-12939405501928366553

[dapper coyote]

LOCATING

BIG ASS INHALE

YOU ARE ALREADY THERE.
COMMENDABLE

[dense river]

pr-** what

[dapper coyote]

Mechanicus have superiority complex, what do you expect from someone with a large ass superiority complex and disgust of laxity and flesh itself?

[hollow ibex]

Discord markdown ate it

Pre-servitor lol

The one that Brahms gets angry about

[dapper coyote]

The only way you getting respect is giving them guns to fix or being obsessed with effecient

[hollow ibex]

True…

[dense river]

I love when he calls us pre servitors because he calls Brahms one too apparently

[hollow ibex]

Yeah bro dropping hard ps

[dense river]

So for me its like a term of endearment

No hopers from morrow

Pre servitors from Kayax

[dapper coyote]

I mean, morrow is a solid officer even with modern standards

Dudes a dude you can rely

[dense river]

Yeah

Love Morrow

What perks and blessings do you guys use on your bolters (not the bolt pistol) for veteran?

I am using the normal one and not the hyperfrag or whatever that ammo is

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmmm. I haven’t checked my bolter Blessings in ages, but I think I use the one that gives stacks of brittleness and bleed

[uncut ore]

shaking and crying rn bc I'm not skilled enough to run my favorite builds into auric

[dense river]

Thats me but every time I jump up a difficulty

[uncut ore]

need to go onto the plasma gun + voice of command meta

or just not play auric

[dense river]

Dueling sword

Recon las

Shout

Its actually hard to loose

(I still lose)

[umbral scaffold]

What are you trying to run?

[uncut ore]

anything that gives gold toughness is basically god mode

[uncut ore]

idk how to screenshot full talent tree

[umbral scaffold]

It’s ok, I more mean what weapons are you trying to run?

[uncut ore]

mk5 autogun and dueling sword

sometimes power sword

[umbral scaffold]

Infantry auto gun? Vraks?

[uncut ore]

infantry, yeah

[umbral scaffold]

Run vraks with power sword. I’ll find the build for you gimme a second

[umbral scaffold]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a02606aa-11c1-4470-9bb1-fc3f2d315f31/emperors-fusiliers

[hollow ibex]

Pinning fire puncture