veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

Power sword is jank but it’s the strongest melee weapon in the game

[spark helm]

Fair enough. Even if that's the broad opposite opinion, you can make it work for you for sure.

But back to task, if you really like having that extra bit of mobility in your kits, feel free to dump defenses. If you want to give yourself better stamina management, especially in prolonged brawls where you just have to address things in front you, take the dump in mobility. MK1 sapper shovel really does benefit from having that stamina efficiency because push attacks are important period but especially relevant on mk1 shovel in this case.

You just gotta make a choice and feel either one out over time. The 80% in mobility is only really gonna be felt when you're just that fiendy for movement and you'll notice it but it's not like an insane jump in movement. Really smooth though.

Think about like it room temp butter versus butter that was heated for like 5 seconds.

Which do you want more?

[fast shale]

Kraks do nothing of dmg to the surrounding enemies when attached to the heavy armor ones?

[void dragon]

wonder how much we will need it nerfed, an on the same vein when we can get other weapons balanced as the Taxe, which it feels quite good for low melee investment builds but would want ot have other options.

[calm shard]

yeah their blast radius is extremely tiny

[fast shale]

Its something about its animations, the thing moves like a toy

[void dragon]

they have a VERY small aoe, usually will only kill one but if they are too close you can kill multiple crushers with one krak

[calm shard]

best way for krak multikills is to get them while they're climbing a ledge

[fast shale]

I just got in a situation where I needed to reload the bolter, a pack of ragers was coming in threw in 3 kraks killed like 1 for EACH krak just toget mauled by the rest

I was like, damn if I have frag they would have give me time to reload and blast em with bolter

[void dragon]

yeah you can underhand them for no sticking so it has better aoe for CC, but the kraks are made for single target erasure

that's the difference with frags

[fast shale]

Yeah, it feels with frag I can throw one in the middle of something and get some value

While a krak if my fellas kill the target then the krak detonates with no extra value

[void dragon]

i mean they nuking crushers all the way to Havoc 40 IS an impresive value

but they have a place and moment, where frags are more universal

[fast shale]

Best weapon to pair wm with?

I guess is not the bolter

In between reloads feel too weak to hordes

Maybe plasma? but like I AOE with that one feel way better

[void dragon]

i would argue that bolter is a good combo for it, you dont want to waste ammo on crushers, so the kraks leave you save some for more important targets

i would say that the melee selection is more important, if you have something that struggles agains hordes then kraks will not shine as well

but something that can fend off swarms you will get value of the kraks

[fast shale]

Yeah, since crusher buff is not great to mag dump

[void dragon]

Bolter is an ammo void so any room you get to save ammo is important

and pays a lot when you dump on bosses and some elites/specials, where you get more value agains

[safe epoch]

Love the new shovel TY guys

[swift river]

Guys I need help, I haven’t played in a bit and since the talent trees got updated everything is erased

I used to run Knife and Revolver

[opaque crane]

does anyone have bolter build? Want to destroy stuff in the havoc with big gun.

[hollow ibex]

WS bolter

[swift river]

Is this...ok? I tried recreating what I had before. Again, running Knife and Revolver

[hollow ibex]

would also really suggest fitting in at least one 25 toughness node

actually yeah just move rending strikes over to toughness

[swift river]

Hm, is serrated worth it if I’m not using a bleed build?

My knife currently has Uncanny Strike and Precognition

[hollow ibex]

it's more that GBITF is ass

[swift river]

Ah, gotcha

[hollow ibex]

serrated is ok with knife tho

it's still bonus damage and procs quickly with knife

[swift river]

True!

Good to know my build wasn’t totally off, at least :p

[hollow ibex]

could be a lot worse

[swift river]

Having all those end perks now in the middle was really confusing

Only other build I need to figure out now is the Kriegsman with shovel and Helbore :p

[south copper]

Tanner Lindberg has a YouTube vid for that as well as a standard guardsman build

[swift river]

I rarely play it, but it can be fun sometimes. I'm just too attached to my knife and revolver :p

[hollow ibex]

oh boy...

[azure narwhal]

It's pretty straightforward tbh. Both are great weapons and helbore works well with exec stance

But i play different

I play with ws and voc because my shovel + helbore build is really just shovel with a 1 tap sidearm to grant me melee specialist for the shovel

You could say, i like shovelling.

[swift river]

And I like stabbing! 😄

[azure narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-gif-24691962

[swift river]

As my quickdraw Cadian

[azure narwhal]

Oh yes

Don't get me started on

Power falchion + bistol commissar build

Chefs kiss

[swift river]

If I ever played a commissar I might do that

[azure narwhal]

+3 hostility towards your teammates

Power falchion is eh however

In tangent with WS and trench it goes well

• bistol at hand whenever needed

The pullout time is nothing

[swift river]

I'd use bolt pistol more, but the quickdraw just works better for my build

[azure narwhal]

Tertium's gayest reject 🫃

[azure narwhal]

Yeah of course, it's all up to preference

Hell sometimes i blatantly just take the worse Mk of weapon, only because it looks good on my set

If your buildcrafting and game knowledge is good most of everything works well

[swift river]

Stabstabstab, quickdraw the rager, stabstabstab, quickdraw the grenader, etc.

[opaque crane]

Thank you for sharing! Now I can make mass destruction.

One last question is new bolter bad? Original bolter is still the destroyer?

[hollow ibex]

would not recommend using WS with bolter

[hollow ibex]

original bolter's better

[opaque crane]

ohh

What I do then 😭

[spark helm]

Og bolter is much better in terms of raw damage. New one can do things but if you're looking for damage then stay with the og.

[opaque crane]

OoooOOooOO okay!

[spark helm]

If you wanna be a bit of a weirdo and play with stagger effects and aoe antics, just give the new one a try.

I'd personally recommend the bolt pistol mark that does the same thing in principle but a bit better imo.

[hollow ibex]

both the new bolter and bistol are no good

i think the new bolter is honestly stronger than the new bistol

but i wouldn't use either

[spark helm]

Eh. Bistol works much better for my taste and experience.

[hollow ibex]

having no cleave

on a quickdraw weapon

[spark helm]

Meaningless.

[hollow ibex]

that's intended to take out specialists

makes it kinda trash

[opaque crane]

[spark helm]

But it does drop specialists so idk what you're talking about there for the bistol

[hollow ibex]

enjoy being netted because the trapper has infinite cleave and a poxxer intercepted your shot

[spark helm]

Why would I get netted by a trapper when I can just dodge and fire?

[calm shard]

trappers with manstopper on their netguns and 100% crit chance 💀

[spark helm]

Or fore at something that's nearby

[calm shard]

yeah obv

[atomic void]

new bolter is nice on zealot as a flamer alternative

[hollow ibex]

why do you ever get hit?

just dodge or block bro

[calm shard]

bistol WOULD have a niche if it still one shot opened bulwarks like it used to

[spark helm]

Like trapper as an isolated incident really ain't a point that matters here with the bistol.

[calm shard]

then it'd probably be one of the best pure utility sidearms in the game

[hollow ibex]

that would be pretty sick

[calm shard]

but it doesn't so it's ass

[hollow ibex]

no, it's an example of a broader problem with the gun

[calm shard]

new boltgun is okay tho

[opaque crane]

Focus target is good for bolter me thinks.

[spark helm]

And yes. That's literally relevant for a weapon like that. Same principle with a laspistol.

[calm shard]

explosion does enough damage that it kills those fucking annoying mosquitos with lasguns around gunners you kill

[hollow ibex]

crazy how i need to explain this 🤦‍♂️

[spark helm]

That's definitely not a problem i contend with at all but I understand the point ig.

[hollow ibex]

laspis is a high capacity high rof weapon

[south copper]

I run focus with bolter too

With weapon specialist I run plasma

[spark helm]

I'm pretty aware and you dont need to keep defaulting to this kind of argumentation. Like at all.

[hollow ibex]

the fact that it doesn't have much cleave is way less of an issue

followup shots are very easy

bistol is a low capacity, low rate of fire gun with high recoil

makes follow-up shots take longer

[spark helm]

I play the same game and can perform with practically no issues. I'm not the marker of everytbing but if we're just talking about case uses the bistol isn't some catastrophe like yall need it to be.

This isn't a weapon you gotta fight against to do well with.

[hollow ibex]

yeah good thing nobody said it's a catastrophe

and yeah you can make anything work in the game

good for you

doesn't change the issues with the gun

[spark helm]

I was talking about framing the weapon the way yall do and you know what I'm talking about in that context.

Yall literally lament shit that isn't even that bad.

[hollow ibex]

oh it's bad

i mean idc if someone likes it

i just wouldn't recommend it to anybody

[spark helm]

alright. It's dogshit you got it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Off into the garbage

[hollow ibex]

certainly not anybody who's newer to the game either

[spark helm]

Fuck that let people explore

If they really don't want to use it they don't have to and can come to that conclusion themselves.

[hollow ibex]

i'm all for people exploring

but i'm not going to recommend bad weapons to start off with

it's kinda fucked up if you think about it

[spark helm]

@opaque crane if you wanna use it use and take it as far as you're willing to and move on from there.

[hollow ibex]

"oh yes, this weapon is really cool"

guy takes it into a match and has a horrible time

[spark helm]

Not really. It's not like they're being scammed out of their homes. It's a fucking video game.

[calm shard]

slow ass reload too

[hollow ibex]

i mean it's some malicious shit but ok dude

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's just a general bistol issue tbf

[mortal aspen]

I feel that way about shistol

[spark helm]

Your priorities are so odd to me.

[opaque crane]

Okay!

[calm shard]

bistol is an obnoxious weapon in a lot of ways

[hollow ibex]

at least shistol gets a shield

[mortal aspen]

that weapon is fun for about 1.5s

[calm shard]

I never want to use it because I want to use the bistol

[mortal aspen]

then you're reloading for 3s

[calm shard]

It's just that little bit inadequate at every single thing it does

[mortal aspen]

[hollow ibex]

that is exactly the issue with bistols in general rn

[calm shard]

But alas lethal proximity/puncture affecting other things

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[calm shard]

why yes I would like my assail shards/fgs wave to bleed enemies

thank you bistol very cool

bigger grenades for FREE?

[hollow ibex]

i often recommend meta shit to people because they're easy starting points for players that aren't familiar with the game

[calm shard]

and so the bistol is equipped

[spark helm]

???

What malice.

Nvm don't even worry about it.

[versed mural]

Exactly, it’s a good starting point

[hollow ibex]

purposefully recommending a weapon to someone who's asking for advice, because presumably they're relatively new to the game, when said weapon has some pretty glaring issues and isn't the easiest to use well

[spark helm]

Okay. More than one thing can happen at once. The person was focused on that specific weapon.

[hollow ibex]

nah we were talking about bolters lol

[versed mural]

Especially in a game like Darktide where the game itself is really bad at explaining things

[spark helm]

You need to stop treating video games as a measurement of moral character. It's deeply laughable in the lamest way

[versed mural]

Calm down dude it ain’t that serious

[spark helm]

That's why I said what I said?

Huh?

This is the a literal pattern that I'm talking about in the first place.

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/miloie-cat-kitten-cry-meow-gif-700604971257527963

[spark helm]

But anyway

[mortal aspen]

stahp

[spark helm]

People can learn more than one thing at the same time. It's not far fetched nor some grand struggle of self-awareness lol

[hollow ibex]

bro

[spark helm]

Use the better shit. Sure. Also if they wanna use other shit till they're not satisfied okay use it. They can literally have multiple weapons and multiple loadouts.

[hollow ibex]

i'm not saying you're a bad person

i'm just saying the action is kinda fucked up

but whatever

[spark helm]

You're actively moralizing it and that's not hard to understand. You're literally using the sentiment.

[hollow ibex]

ok

so what if

there's a total noob with five hours in the game

[spark helm]

Tell them both things.

[hollow ibex]

i tell him "hey bro, dclaw mk1 is op af, it'll carry you through havoc 40"

[spark helm]

Literally tell them both things.

[mortal aspen]

Elven Axe Javelin Handmaiden

my recommendation

[spark helm]

Literally tell them both things.

[hollow ibex]

isn't that fucked up lol

[spark helm]

It's not hard.

[hollow ibex]

sorry i'm too 40kpilled to understand that reference

[spark helm]

You can recommend something better while also giving them support with using something they're curious about too

Why is that a struggle to grasp?

[versed mural]

Guys guys guys I have a better idea. What Veteran build is best for hunting Feral Hogs?

Build and weapon combo

[hollow ibex]

braced auto

high mag capacity when they inevitably come in herds

[versed mural]

Feral Hogs are big so I’m thinking the bolt gun

[versed mural]

Good point

[hollow ibex]

or recon las if you run fast enough

[mortal aspen]

the new bolter is fun

[hollow ibex]

cook your dinner as you kill it

[mortal aspen]

but you'll run out of ammo AoEing the dogs

[versed mural]

I was thinking plasma gun for that

[hollow ibex]

i guess it depends on how well done you like your pig

[spark helm]

Were you still looking for recommendations to try for that other bolter mark?

[versed mural]

Good point

[slim pulsar]

man new class means veteran will not have any new gun in a long time prob

there goes my hope for plasma pistol

[calm shard]

they could have shared guns with new class depending

[slim pulsar]

arbites didnt have that

[calm shard]

standalone shotpistol when

for a genuine crit based shotgun

give it to psyker, vet, and zealot

[slim pulsar]

shotpistol is arbites coded afaik

idk if GW would allow it

[calm shard]

the combat shotgun we have had since release is an arbites combat shotgun

same for the bolter

[high goblet]

fellow vets, is there another class good for havoc 30+ that deosnt need the dueling+plasma combo ?

[heavy rover]

helbore and power sword

[slim pulsar]

it's used everywhere though

space marine scouts use it

it's the generic 40k shotgun

[high goblet]

i kinda see the vision

what tallents tho ?

[slim pulsar]

i cant think of anybody except arbites using shot pistols meanwhile

[heavy rover]

I can share with you my build that I run. Be sure to check out the build notes because there's a lot of flexibility with it, so you can change to suit your preferences https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-havoc

on havoc I pretty much run helbore exclusively

[high goblet]

amazing my guy, rly apreciate it

[heavy rover]

happy to help

[high goblet]

do u thing a falchion would work with it tho ?

[versed mural]

Yeah I’m surprised they haven’t added one at this point

Although it might make sense to add it if the new class is Skitarii, that or an Arc Rifle

[slim pulsar]

i don't think it would since admech get way more unique stuff than boring plasma lol

[versed mural]

Yeah, that was just my brain thinking about Rogue Trader, your AdMech companion gets a bunch of talents that buff his plasma damage. Arc Rifle would make more sense as an exclusive weapon

[slim pulsar]

oh yeah a chain reaction weapon would be really interesting

[versed mural]

It would make sense because they could reuse the effect from the Psyker lightning staff

[heavy rover]

Yep, feel free to swap to falchion if you prefer it

[high goblet]

thanks

[surreal rune]

why does the laspistol mk10 do so little danage

[hollow ibex]

Cuz it gets stagger instead

https://tenor.com/view/maybeeeee-try-not-to-laugh-gif-12778510

[ember nest]

Come on dude

Deleted the comment because I feel mean rn and am curbing myself

[surreal rune]

excuse me

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-cat-gif-25407007

[slim pulsar]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/d/d6/VoidmasterMini.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191021175624

[ember nest]

What I posted is literally the ingame text.

[ember nest]

SM have their own pattern.

[slim pulsar]

it's visually the exact same damn gun. idc what the in game text says

[ember nest]

Since they have to use them with their giant space marine gauntlets and all that

[slim pulsar]

there's billions of patterns made up all the time

that's not what matters

what matters is visually what they're associated with

the bolter is visually associated with space marines so obviously you always assume it will be derived from space marine stuff even if humans use it

GW doesn't let reject wear arbites armor because they want to keep the arbites brand distinct

so that's what i'm on about

that we won't see rejects use guns that are only used by arbites

[ember nest]

Exclusive weapons are entirely up to the whim of fatshark

Or have you already forgotten stuff like dueling sword

[slim pulsar]

it's completely controlled by GW

ask any dev

dueling swords have literally no distinctiveness in lore

they're generic swords

[ember nest]

Idk why people are so obsessed with pin ing literally everything on GW

Have you even like breathed in rogue trader's direction

[slim pulsar]

because they have the final say on any creative decision

GW keeps very tight control over its brand

[ember nest]

GW is generally pissy on:
What you can add
What happens in the story

Not shit like "can the man hold an arbites bolter"

[slim pulsar]

trust me they do

this is literally what sells models

and that's all they care about

[ember nest]

Ffs

[slim pulsar]

GW wants you to see the arbites guy holding a cool gun so you'll go and buy the overpriced plastic

[covert shoal]

anyone have a good build for the agripina shotgun

like talent shit

rn im running a shitty-ass exec stance that i put zero effort in to

[toxic reef]

I would run it with weapons specialist and shout prob

[covert shoal]

i was just doin exec because uh

[toxic reef]

but you can ofc

[hollow ibex]

for exec stance agri shotgun this is what i use

which i think is essentially @calm shard 's build

it's very strong

[covert shoal]

do you also have the mod that makes motley crue play whenever you pop exec stance

its vital

[hollow ibex]

i don't think so

[covert shoal]

damn

you need that

[covert shoal]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/489

its also configurable

you can put any audio files in it

[mortal aspen]

THE BUILD

[tame lodge]

Pair this with Disco Aquilla

And duo with an Arby's player

[calm shard]

very close yes I have born leader, TFD, and Serrated Blade instead of Grenadier and that toughness boost

Otherwise identical

[hollow ibex]

yeah i just happen to like grenadier

i would really like to take TFD but can't think of something i'm willing to swap for it

[calm shard]

oh and I use kraks because I like my horde cruncher melees

[hollow ibex]

yeah kraks are good too

really is a silly build

you can pretend to be an arbi

and just stand in pox gas

[ancient path]

whats the crusher one shot revolver build?

[hollow ibex]

prob deadshot, 15 stacks mmf, both rending nodes and ogryn damage

basically a meme

[hybrid plover]

I think that's also possible with exe stance + focus target

Assuming you're getting your surg stacks up

[calm shard]

nah shotgun exe build one shots them too

revolver has to have +cara for it

no rending nodes or nothin'

does need Marksman tho

[junior grail]

Shotgun can??? How?

[calm shard]

uh Crushers?

I think Agri slug if you like

turbo juice it can

I've had it hit for just under 5K into them with no marksman so

I was talking about revolver

[muted peak]

My lasgun had 2k ammo just this mission, anyone knowing anything about it?

[distant plaza]

event buff

[peak tusk]

What's the general consensus regarding the Vigilant Autogun?

[hollow ibex]

good

though personally i am still not a fan

[tepid otter]

What's the blessing for Infantry Las again

Was it Headhunter + Infernus

[void dragon]

ackhually doesnt even need the rending from MMF, just from the revolver blessing, but the rest of the analysis is good, i have ran that on a few aurics, quite the punch, specially good with the extra magazine, but it does feel quite meme

[brazen mural]

Is the pinned veteran guide (Hammer of the Emperor) updated or is it out of date?

[hollow ibex]

lol was just playing it safe but yeah handcannon carries hard

[tepid otter]

It would say if it was updated before Bound to Duty if visit the link I think

[hollow ibex]

it's a bit old yeah

but still a good starting point

new guide soon tm

[void dragon]

legit feels that can work somewhat on low havocs, doesnt even need stuff like killzone once you are rolling on 15 MMF stacks

[brazen mural]

oki, thx

[brazen mural]

Nice

[void dragon]

do we have news how far in the distance future is this "SOON tm"?

[hollow ibex]

uh maybe end of year or early 2026

[brazen mural]

How do people like the new power falchion?

[hollow ibex]

the guide's been in progress for idk, a year?

[hollow ibex]

midchion?

[tepid otter]

Iz aight

[hollow ibex]

it's fun

just mid

[brazen mural]

I like it a lot

It is a fun weapon for veteran

[void dragon]

it can work but its weaker than the rashad in most metrics, so its not pulling its weight as it should for its gimmick

[hollow ibex]

it it wasn't a wet pool noodle unpowered, had actual stagger, and better horde clear when powered, it would be good

[swift slate]

So every time I log on I get this odd error message and all of my war gear sets, talents, get completely reset. I figured at first it was just from the update cause I hadn’t played in awhile and they changed some of the talent trees but it continues to happen for the past 3 days and it’s starting to get in my nerves.

[hollow ibex]

try re-equipping weapons and curios

[brazen mural]

Have not played since June, wanted to try the new weapon so I haver played a few games the past days

[tall torrent]

This year hopefully

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in-4k-you-exposed-gif-21379673

[tall torrent]

Finished Duckov playthrough + all achievements

[brazen mural]

No Respite can give up to 20% dmg on hit. Does that mean that if the hit gives stagger to a non staggered enemy, it can deal up to 20% more dmg? Or does the enemy have to be staggered before the pellets connect?

[tall torrent]

No respite is +20% damage (per stagger instance applied) vs that enemy while they’re staggered

[hollow ibex]

enemy has to be staggered first as well

[tall torrent]

If they’re not staggered, it does nothing

[hollow ibex]

i think it's theoretically up to 140% damage

or something stupid like that lol

[tall torrent]

While they’re staggered, based on how many times they’ve been hit, you get massively boosted damage

[brazen mural]

Fatshark tool tips be amazing

[tall torrent]

It stacks up to 7 instances on a single enemy

[hollow ibex]

the real endgame is figuring out the game mechanics

[brazen mural]

Oke, so no respite is bad on a weapons that is supposed to one shot enemies

[tall torrent]

It’s basically only relevant on combat shotguns

[brazen mural]

oh

That is what i am building right now

So I should use no respite on combat shotguns?

[tall torrent]

Normally yes

[brazen mural]

Does full bore work well for all combat shotguns, or only those with small spread?

[tall torrent]

Just zarona and agripinaa

[hollow ibex]

path which one has better finesse?

the stat cards lie

i don't trust them

[void dragon]

to this day im not clear how is brittleness stacks are meassured, even when i kinda know the values it has

[hollow ibex]

i think it's the same as rending

except the percentage is a debuff when the enemy is a hit rather than a buff to you

[brazen mural]

This confusion of the mechanics is a real struggle, as I usually play 1-3 months and pause 3-10 months, then I have to relearn everything again

[void dragon]

what you want for Acca? scatter/manstopper?

[tall torrent]

Forgor

[tall torrent]

I don’t use it

Don’t think there’s much reason to use it over zarona

[hollow ibex]

i'm just going to stick with agri

i can't stand the spread on the zarona

[tall torrent]

ADS + exe stance

[hollow ibex]

it still feels a lot worse than agri tbh

just much less consistent when the enemy is even a bit further

[void dragon]

what perks/blessings Zarona wants? dont think i have one build so far

[hollow ibex]

fullbore no respite is the typical approach

[calm shard]

Unyielding+Crit Chance/Flak imo

Zarona is heavily dependent on flexing its crit modifier

[void dragon]

and blessings?

[calm shard]

Depends on what you're using it for

If you want it to be your primary you should use Full Bore+Manstopper

If you just want it as a backup tool then Full Bore+No Respite

For WS the usual manstopper+flechette works

[static radish]

am i just that skill diffed?

i am pretty good in heresy, not dying once

maybe downing myself in some stupid way

soon as i bump it to damnation

i just die all the fucking time

[hollow ibex]

it's just a matter of practice

and making sure you have an answer to everything

[static radish]

i guess

it happens with all classes but arby

[hollow ibex]

arby's stupid easy is why

[static radish]

true enough

i mean

i havent tried it with psyker

[heavy rover]

The jump to damnation is pretty big if I recall correctly

[static radish]

doubt it'll be better

[void dragon]

i like to play the class like the most immovable frontline i can become, with less ranged options, but the class is clearly strong in an oddly unfair way

[spark helm]

Arbites also just ends up being able to do what other builds and classes may want to accomplish but with far less investment and execution.

[static radish]

true

dog is also very good

[spark helm]

Exterminator shotgun is just flatly outrageous and does what other shotties build themselves towards but upfront

So then giving it those relevant blessings just take it to another level for 9.99

Or whatever the usd price is.

[tame lodge]

12 bucks

[elder vessel]

8.99 for base, 12.99 for full in America bucks

[tame lodge]

40 reais

[elder vessel]

Wish he could use chainaxe

[void dragon]

you have a build for this way of using it? i take it would be some kind of melee with Exe stance?

[orchid hemlock]

Dog does the specialist killing for you

Newb designed from the ground up

[elder vessel]

Dog str8 up saves you from specials with absolutely no input

[calm shard]

though lately I have experimented with dropping skirmisher from this

for Trench Fighter Drill and Serrated Blade

[void dragon]

for what melee? Taxe?

[calm shard]

I would recommend using the "versatile" melees for this btw

Tactical Axe, Shovel, Power Sword, or Combat Axe if you choose to take TFD

[hollow ibex]

heresyyyyy

just drop born leader

[sharp epoch]

ds 😂

[void dragon]

there is no DS in Atoma prime

[calm shard]

no way

born leader is not a low priority talent on an exe build

[proud bluff]

It also pairs insanely well with the ability that adds cleave on shove

[spark helm]

Yup. So many talents that juice the class to hell and back

Arbites plays very nicely with itself fwiw.

[rancid dragon]

Dose anyone have a good build for hellebore?

That focuses on center mass hits

Bc I’m shit at getting hesd shots

[dense river]

Whats your guy's las recon build for "infinite" ammo? And what variant is the best? Looking at it the first one has one ammo but the second has more damage. Third seems... eh

[dense river]

I found your cousin

[rancid dragon]

No thats bob

He’s a friend

And if you hurt Bob.

[dense river]

Nah

[rancid dragon]

I’ll make a trench out of your intestines

[dense river]

Everyone loves him : )

[rancid dragon]

Good.

Don’t hurt Bob.

Only rule

[dense river]

Ja

Still I didnt know they had krieg drip for the ogryn

[heavy rover]

Probably want to run Focus Target and Armourbane then, no?

[tame lodge]

Nope

Helbore is a headshot/CRIT reliant

The best you can do

Is CRIT body shot

So pick surgical

[rancid dragon]

Ah

[vestal olive]

Ainz has said "you want 71 charge and 69 thermal"

but then axe gremlin has stated 71-72 and 68-69 are good

so is still the good stuff?

or is axe wrong

[austere mica]

It might be good

Max it out and see if you get 8 shots

[vestal olive]

WHY IS THIS A FLOATING POINT REEEEEEEE

or fixed point, it doesnt matter. ree

[hybrid plover]

It's rounding errors

[austere mica]

Hey if it's right you've got the most optimal plasma possible

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. If you get the 8 shots, that's the roll.

[vestal olive]

ive been dumping all my gold into it

need to beat another mael to get the gold... the suspenders are killing me!

[hollow ibex]

In before plasma rework happens next patch and the values all shift

[hybrid plover]

Have ya tried it?

[vestal olive]

i cant upgrade it to max yet, need to play a game for the gold

[hybrid plover]

Aaahhh.

I wish you luck on this venture.

[spark helm]

Eventually I'll get the actual god roll for that gun.

Assuming a patch doesn't piss all over it. Which is why I dump...

I forgot

I think my dump is charge rate

I gave up on rolling it in brunts

Literal millions of dockets lost on that casino. Grumble...

[hollow ibex]

those were some sketchy dodges lol

[tame lodge]

I love challenging snipers

[spark helm]

Clean shyster shooting. I prefer doing it with bullets at the last possible moment as well.

Or sliding between a line of gunners I have no business charging at and rolling a shredder or smoke right on top of them.

[tame lodge]

one day, my hubris will be my downfall

but not today

[elder vessel]

I yearn for the day people use varying abilities and blitz in their veteran builds

[spark helm]

It's me, I'm people.

Take my hand, infiltrate veteran, change the world. Embrace the smoke.

[elder vessel]

infiltrate lowkey better than voc

[tame lodge]

3am gaming

psword plasma voc all 3am

because I got no energy for brain on gameplay

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-9403556598434283568

The Infiltrate Reinstatement Program is looking for more to spread the truth that lies in the crouch button.

[void dragon]

Infiltrate grenadier propaganda?

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-please-sir-may-i-have-some-more-oliver-mark-lester-poor-gif-7821643

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-borsalino-admiral-marines-shades-gif-10682292755083267442

Infiltrate veteran needs only a dedicated heart and unbreakable will to speak truth to its power.

One must simply take the first steps to being great.

Click on infiltrate

[frigid shuttle]

damnation players are pretty special as well

[static radish]

i have been pinged

[frigid shuttle]

generally when you get to auric, it's actually easier at times

because more people know what to do

[spark helm]

You'll still get unfortunate missions from time to time but generally speaking the higher the difficulty the higher the likelihood of carried (mostly joking) more competent and cooperatively-minded players.

Because blind charging and flailing and poor target priority doesn't get one very far in auric and havoc.

[frigid shuttle]

If it's highlighted by an aura, it dies

[spark helm]

Doable in auric depending on the loadout (zealots with mk15, arbites with class weapons and other meta setups, the average ogryn) but there's a hard wall always waiting.

[frigid shuttle]

if it's not highlighted by an aura, it also dies.

[spark helm]

Before a mild dip in my experience with seeing more veterans during this patch, a lot of veterans that relied too much on VoC to cover their mistakes often just crumbled when left alone in tight situations and complain about tankiness. If they had a duelling sword, they had a higher chance of living lol

[vestal olive]

8 shots! hon hon hon

[spark helm]

I got some talking points in rotation. They're valid but used purely for my goofiness until infiltrate gets juiced to high hell if it ever does.

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

Can't move goalposts if you never commit to planting any pops infiltrate again

[hybrid plover]

Congratulations. You beat Darktide. 🎊

[vestal olive]

still has 16% toughness curios

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-you-dont-say-michael-office-wow-michael-scott-gif-11124235989547302113

My favorite true grind: best possible toughness rolls on curios.

_>

[vestal olive]

literally making more characters to get more melk quests

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[vestal olive]

because i want to roll more curios

[spark helm]

17% is my white whale when I finally give a shit.

[spark helm]

Eventually I'll be doing the same thing. I'm seriously contemplating making an arbites and giving them farming curios. I'm so serious lmao

+curio%/docket bonuses and then convincing people to sweep all possible pick-ups.

Any all books. Mule arbites build.

Imma be real that's just how I treat my arbites sometimes.

I just use em to have breezy w+m1 auric maelstroms for farming when I want another weapon on another class.

[hollow ibex]

lol i love how stupid the agri is

don't even need slugs to kill crusher

though granted the first shot was a slug

[dapper coyote]

Seems about right

Also the slug is rather comically good at taking a bite out of a boss's HP

[hollow ibex]

honestly the primary fire is so goated against unyielding

there's no need to use slugs against bosses unless you had one pre-loaded anyway

[surreal rune]

what the fuck is this

[hollow ibex]

agri with both rending nodes lol

[rancid dragon]

I have a question

Why can’t I post videos and or photos here?

[hollow ibex]

just talk more

[hybrid plover]

Gray

[hollow ibex]

and you'll get the soldier status

and then you can post

[rancid dragon]

I see

I shall talk about trenches

ahem

Trench warfare is a type of land warfare using occupied lines largely comprising military trenches, in which combatants are well protected from the enemy's small arms fire and are substantially sheltered from artillery

[rancid dragon]

Yes

I am

Gray

The most boring color of all colors

One day

I won’t be gray

I’ll be interesting color

Like green

[peak tusk]

I disagree because funnily enough. Gray is my favorite color.

[rancid dragon]

Basic

Gray is the basic color

[peak tusk]

Exactly

I don't like standing out.

[rancid dragon]

Basic and boring

[peak tusk]

Helps me blend in

[rancid dragon]

Nothing interesting

Stands out amongst interesting things

In a boring way

[wild vortex]

as a kriegsman, shouldn't you be the color of radioactive waste

[peak tusk]

Also, don't most Kriegsman dress in gray?

[rancid dragon]

Not

[rancid dragon]

We have many colors

We have green

[peak tusk]

Also I never heard of a Kriegsman wanting to be an interesting color or stand out

[rancid dragon]

Blue

We have onion

Light brown

Light brown with a little bit of green

[peak tusk]

Colonel Jurgen would demand all Kriegman wear gray!

[rancid dragon]

Green with a little bit of gray and brown

Gray

Darker gray

Light gray

[ancient path]

i would if it was easy to swap out.

[rancid dragon]

Gray with brown

Color of onion

And a single lonely pineapple

Witch no one knows where it came from

[hollow ibex]

forget the helbore. agri is the only sniper i need

[void dragon]

what kind of gymnastics this needed?

[tame lodge]

Hit heads

[void dragon]

hit them? with Boolet?! clearly warp magic

[vestal olive]

I was not expecting the god roll plasma gun to feel significantly different

In my head I was thinking "its BIS but.. barely" but it really feels significant

[spark helm]

Yep

One of those times where it actually makes a wild difference.

[hollow ibex]

basically full investment into left and mid

and both rending nodes

[rancid dragon]

Anyone got a good infantry las gun build?

[prime minnow]

I was afraid to buy this Tox-Field chestpiece at first, because it didn't match with anything, but I'm glad I did.

[tame lodge]

Darktide does need more yellow cosmetics

[tribal dawn]

Is the power falchion any good? Haven't given it a try yet.

[frigid shuttle]

Not really.

[tribal dawn]

Must be why I don't see anyone using it lol

At least not on any difficulty higher than Heresy.

[dapper coyote]

Gib build good sire...

[hollow ibex]

yeah gib me a sec

was just testing it out

[dapper coyote]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/872452619946299422/1075129548389228675/20230115_122759-2.gif

[hollow ibex]

i would say it did ok

shout to demetai

[dry cloak]

its good in aurics just dont bring it to havoc

[hollow ibex]

i've never seen such a stereotypical cunt of a smyker before

i regret not barreling him

[bleak oasis]

Was pretty much introduced at a point where the vet power sword and zealot relic blade is around and they don't want to make any changes to their fundamental performance, so the power falchion is kinda shit by comparison

[hollow ibex]

took a grim

smited all game

and then double dipped on medicae when i was on 90% corruption

still carried his useless fucking ass

[dry cloak]

agrip shotty is nice

very nice

basically a rifle

[dapper coyote]

Its nice,

More versatile than the Ilas sometimes lmao

Long range, short range,
Doesn't matter, send a buckshot to the bastard and he'll die anyways

[hollow ibex]

it's way more versatile than ilas

[dry cloak]

its way better than ilas

[hollow ibex]

true

[dapper coyote]

Anyways gib build good sire

[hollow ibex]

yup working on it

[dry cloak]

he needs to put in on gameslantern

[dapper coyote]

Ah i see

[bleak oasis]

Kinda wish the power falchion had easier combos, or could at least kill non-ogryn elites on a single powered sweep attack. Just keep it shit at killing enemy ogryns and bosses so that it's the default krak thrower primary

[dry cloak]

fatshark is very carefull to nat have another pswords situation

pre nerf psword of course

[bleak oasis]

My line of thinking is, the PS is strong, but you need to constantly charge it. It's quite powerful against everything, but you need to charge it every few swings. The Relic Blade can work against everything, but has an awful base attack speed, and tied to the zealot.

What can be the falchion's little niche that it doesn't make other melee choices for vet completely irrelevant, but still useful?

[dry cloak]

relic blade but small

which it tries to be

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0342c69-6063-4e10-96a9-66e8ce22ecb2/railgun-sniper

[dry cloak]

manstopper on agrip? thats a rare sight

[hollow ibex]

it works very well

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1431517493914107966/5516D41.MP4?ex=68fe5cce&is=68fd0b4e&hm=99fb4dd196b9832f2816e01e65d0cae308a7127204abc32105fb2b3fbb4471c3&

[dry cloak]

usual config is fullbore no respite

[hollow ibex]

you can run the traditional full bore no respite too

but i prefer manstopper for deleting groups of elites

[dry cloak]

i dont doubt that

[hollow ibex]

and this is a deadshot build after all

[dry cloak]

ah

[dapper coyote]

Nice

Fucking railgun shotgun

[hollow ibex]

yeah i will say helbore is way more ammo efficient tho

[bleak oasis]

Can't even oneshot gunners without a powered overhead swing

[dry cloak]

neighter does most of vets weapons

[bleak oasis]

Well, the PS could.

[dry cloak]

ps anit most

[hollow ibex]

actually i use unyielding on agri

fixed that

[bleak oasis]

Maybe if the falchion just overheated significantly faster, but was as powerful as the relic blade per swing

[hollow ibex]

power falch needs major buffs to unpowered damage

stagger

and horde clear generally

assuming they aren't going to fix the trash blessing pool

[bleak oasis]

Think a knife would clear hordes faster than an unpowered falchion

[hollow ibex]

likely yeah

[dapper coyote]

That las weapons in general but in my experience combat shotguns are just enuff ammo efficient

[hollow ibex]

yeah

if you look at the scoreboard i posted

[dapper coyote]

So long there's no idiot knicking every ammo bag or tin on the map

[hollow ibex]

i barely used my melee

[bleak oasis]

90% ammo teammates picking up the big 50% refill ammo bags

Tale as old as time

[hollow ibex]

and the ammo efficiency still wasn't horrible for how much i shot

[dapper coyote]

I did play the match where one arbites just knicks EVERY AMMO

Like he's full but

He shot one bullet and take the tin/bag

The rest of us was red-orange ammo

[hollow ibex]

main character syndrome is real

[dapper coyote]

Until the finale where ammo boxes showed up

That's where we were FINALLY using our ranged weapons

[bleak oasis]

I remember someone triple dipping a deployed ammo crate after every reload

Bruv probably thought it was infinite ammo

[dapper coyote]

1 plasma vet 1 Shotgun vet 1 stubber ogryn was out of ammo

[tame lodge]

Fatshark promoted falchion as stays powered for longer than RB and also takes longer to cool down than RB

Except it cool downs faster than RB

At ~9s

RB is ~13

[willow prairie]

fatshark try to make a good weapon that isn't power sword for vet challenge

[hollow ibex]

(literally impossible)

[mortal aspen]

dual tactical axes

[willow prairie]

ok now they have shit carapace damage and don't cleave

wyd

[tall torrent]

It’s actually a little higher single target dps than relic blade when activated, with longer activated duration & shorter venting downtime

But the unpowered attacks are atrocious and it has very bad stagger breakpoints

It’s also not fast enough for their design of making it a “faster power sword”

It could use a lot of small buffs really

[primal zealot]

its rly not as horrible as ppl make it out to be

[tall torrent]

It’s not horrid it’s just very underbaked and clearly pushed out to meet some quota before it’s ready

[sharp epoch]

id rather use a shovel than power falchion

[tame lodge]

When it comes to mid tier weapons

I'd rather use Shock Maul

[wild vortex]

I saw a psyker use shock maul to great effect the other day

[sullen scarab]

Does recon lasgun need rending strikes for damage?

[wild vortex]

Was kinda impressive

[sullen scarab]

just working on a recon build lol

[tepid otter]

Tryinna make one for an Infantry Las as well lmao

[uncut ore]

so uhh, I've been away from the game for quite awhile

is vet just the plasma gun class now

[silver patrol]

why would you think that

[uncut ore]

all the top vet players in all my games run plasma gun

voice of command

[silver patrol]

it has been a top class vet gun for the last year or more

[uncut ore]

Can't seem to use it without exploding lmao

[silver patrol]

you literally cannot explode

[uncut ore]

overheat*

[silver patrol]

like, the gun won't fire if you are overheated

if you are using the charged shot you are using it wrong

[uncut ore]

huh

still, seems like nothing else holds a candle up to the plasma gun

which kinda sucks because I don't really vibe with it lol

[silver patrol]

helbore and recon guns do hold a candle

revolver too maybe

[uncut ore]

I tried the recon lasgun, just kina felt like a worse Autogun

[warm schooner]

you can explode using the plasma if you use the right click charge and hit 100% heat

[silver patrol]

bigly if truly

[warm schooner]

plenty of good options in auric aside from plasma, just the easiest to use

[vestal olive]

I've seen people make the helbore look like a plasma gun in aurics

Isn't the recon lasgun significantly better than infantry autogun?

[tame lodge]

The opposite

Infantry Autogun are dps monster

Good CRIT/weakspot damage with good fire rate

Recon is just fire rate

And probably ammo

[undone jungle]

i mean also recoil control ig

[undone jungle]

real asf it's just a fun weapon

objectively should just use a rashad caxe but i'd rather eat sand

[midnight wyvern]

recon lasguns should overheat

[misty minnow]

I will shoot you with it

Lol

It is fun to slide into cover and mount the lasgun on top and fire away

[midnight wyvern]

if only that did anything

can't even roleplay

[tepid otter]

What would u roleplay as

[midnight wyvern]

someone in cover

[tepid otter]

im sorry i asked

[misty minnow]

As veteran you can shoot behind cover

Only your head peaks out when aiming

[midnight wyvern]

they still shoot you with the same accuracy

it doesn't help at all lol

[misty minnow]

But it leaves easy head ducking when they do fire

[midnight wyvern]

you can also just crouch

[misty minnow]

You are already crouched just holding right click to shoot or not or left trigger on controllers

[tepid otter]

think he meant it in an rpg kind of sense where your char can actually hide behind cover

[unreal nova]

Accuracy on controller for longer distance

Vraks is next to 0%.

[misty minnow]

But either way continuously firing recon lasgun suppresses

[midnight wyvern]

suppression doesn't apply to alot of enemies lol

and I'd assume recon doesn't suppress very well

[tame lodge]

Weak Aura

[tepid otter]

rpg darrktide would prolly go hard, prolly just me

[midnight wyvern]

rogue trader

[mortal aspen]

[tepid otter]

trying to get into it

ive never been that much a fan of turn based

[misty minnow]

Rogue trader is best warhammer game to me since they use the actual table top game

Took forever to make one

While dnd already made lots

[mortal aspen]

AFAIK the system is nothing like ttrpg

[misty minnow]

You move around on hexes and choose your actions etc

[mortal aspen]

that's... every turn-based video game in existence

[tepid otter]

isnt it more like tiles on some of them

[misty minnow]

Yes they use tiles or squares on others

The psyker is a pretty fun class on there

[hybrid pivot]

psyker + cassia = insta win

[misty minnow]

Lol yes all the buffs

[hybrid pivot]

at the late game didnt even need anyone else

cassia just won every fight

[misty minnow]

Lol

[tame lodge]

Tru

[hybrid pivot]

it's actually kinda insane how strong you get in that game

[tame lodge]

The frail princess

Solo carries

[hybrid pivot]

when kibellah came out she could also just 1-turn every fight

[umbral scaffold]

I have yet to try rogue trader for PC. Played the FFG system a bunch. I dunno, the game looks good, but I wonder how it compares to other CRPG’s

[mortal aspen]

Owlcat's desire to overcomplicate and lack of desire to balance

[jaunty sphinx]

It's good

[dapper coyote]

Abelard, kill Erebus.

goes to romance the interrogator whilest waiting for Abelard return

[plain osprey]

Ello guardmen. How is it going. Too lazy to scroll back. What are we talking about

[umbral scaffold]

I guess I’ve held off on trying RT since I’ve been playing BG3. That said, BG3, while amazing and fun, is…very limited in many ways in terms of roleplaying.

Great story with lots of quests and side content, but many of the roleplay options are typically in three categories only; be good, be evil, be ambivalent. With the evil path being very lack lustre and one note.

It feels like it was meant to be played as “good”. Story threads are more rewarding, you get to keep all your group members, since playing on evil will lead to probably 4-5 of them being killed or outright leaving the party

[tepid otter]

Rogue traders and similar games I think

[plain osprey]

Havent played it

[tepid otter]

Me neither, am like at the intro tho but been so busy during weekdays

[silver patrol]

it's very good

[plain osprey]

Havent played much dt either

I have been bitten by the nostalgia bug and been swinging between minecraft and midieval ii total war, where i am currently at war with like 8 factions at the same time with poland

[mortal aspen]

that applies to most RPGs if not all, unfortunately

RT is a bit more interesting, because of the setting and your faction allegiance

[silver patrol]

bg3 also has the most boring dnd edition gameplay

[tepid otter]

Only total war game I've tried is total war rome and the one about the vikings

[mortal aspen]

Dogmatic allows for an Evil character to make sense

[tepid otter]

I forgot the name

[silver patrol]

there is none about vikings

uhhh maybe it was attila?

[tepid otter]

Thrones of Britania I think

[silver patrol]

yeah

[plain osprey]

Dont have those. Only ever played midieval ii. The collectors edition on steam.

[silver patrol]

you should try shogun 2

[tepid otter]

Well I say vikings since I just saw Ragnar at the opening intro lmao

[dapper coyote]

Sometimes i play total war for total clusterfuck

Using cheats for money but also send diplomats to every corner of the world to declare war one 1st turn

Then world conquest and unending wars

Non stop battles

Just stacks upon stacks

[tepid otter]

got me curious about total war warhammer

[dapper coyote]

I don't play the warhammer versions

But shogun 2 and medieval 2

[silver patrol]

this is a fall of the samurai household

[dapper coyote]

I would like to play empires or napoleon

[tepid otter]

does look like it plays a whole lot differently than other total war games

[silver patrol]

yes

[plain osprey]

Lmao. I dont use many exploits (only the cavalry drawout cheese because i hate offensive sieges).

However i love the difference sometimes between runs.

Turn 90 poland campaign, everything is on fire. Beset on all sides by fucking everyone

Turn 70 holy Roman Empire campaign, nothing happens. No one attacks me lmao

[dapper coyote]

But yea, that's what i would do

[silver patrol]

and i wouldn't say in a good way

[dapper coyote]

Just dec on every country 1st turn

And world conquest

[silver patrol]

i wish they just did empires 2

[dapper coyote]

Even aztecs gets dec

[silver patrol]

without those garbo health bars

[dapper coyote]

Mongols showed up? Dec.

Timurids? Dec

Papacy? Dec.

[umbral scaffold]

SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!!

[silver patrol]

commit sudoku

[dapper coyote]

MY LOARD, THEIR GENERAL HAS FALLEN A CUTTING BLOW!

I fucking love the VA on Shogun 2

[silver patrol]

yeah

[dapper coyote]

I love yari Ashigaru I love yari Ashigaru I love yari Ashigaru I love yari Ashigaru I love yari Ashigaru I love yari Ashigaru I love yari Ashigaru I love yari Ashigaru

Stick maxxing

Fuck the samurais

[silver patrol]

wouldn't be me, i'm more of a armstrong cannon kind of guy

[dapper coyote]

Thats for the fall of samurai

But in vanilla

That's the folks you'll use and rely the most

[silver patrol]

in vanilla i'm more of a portuguese tercos and blunderbuss cav kind of guy

(i love turning catholic)

[plain osprey]

Smiles in riverforts and cannon Towers

[dapper coyote]

Lo and behold, a bridge.

With artillery

[plain osprey]

I actually lost a Bridge battle yesterday ... I held it with szrelchzy and low level polish infantry against scottish heavy infantry. They broke through and my dumbass General died. I ragequit and need to savescumm fight that again.

[umbral scaffold]

See, I heard there’s a lot more potential paths/options in RT for where you end up at by end of the game. I really gotta give
It a shot. It’s on sale 50-60% off now anyway so could be the time.

And you’re not wrong on most RPGs being a bit lack lustre in the options department. I get it, it has to appeal to a wide variety of gamers who may not be too familiar with the games and roleplaying.

[static radish]

oke

time to give damnation another sho0t

[bold sierra]

Exec Stance with Enhanced Target Priority + Bolter/Smoke is honestly becoming one of my fav support/pseudo-bosskiller builds for Havoc 40. The toughnes regen on Exec Stance goes hard, doubly so with Born Leader for some extra team toughness regen

Marking elites+ specials through smoke for you and team is goated. You do need a lot of ammo tho.

[fresh spire]

Exec stance agrippina revolver on this event is insane

[calm shard]

"pseudo" boss killer

look inside and see the 2nd best boss damage output in the game

only losing out to shroudfield Thammer because y'know one hit

[bold sierra]

it's still not a 100% dedicated boss-killer build, tis why I call it pseudo, you need to delegate quite a decent chunk of ammo for it, and there's quite a lot of off-time where you need to reload to keep damaging the boss. It's still more of a team-effort with it compared to sth like Zealot Thammer shroud/chastise.

But it's still very good boss dmg indeed.

If I were to use kraks, it'd definitely be more of a dedicated boss-killer build, that and a "backstab" veteran Infiltrate w/ Bolter (if exec stance is vet's chastise/thammer, infiltrate is vet's shroud/thammer)

[steep flower]

Use tac reload & you won’t have problems reloading

[bold sierra]

I was using volley adept lol, was killing elites/specials 100% at all time anyway so always had the 30% reload speed. Tac reload is nice but situations can be tense at times making me shoot until empty most of the times so not so great.

[steep flower]

Thats why you pay attention; and you don’t lose in boss/only shooters situation

It requires some time but in the end its better

[atomic wyvern]

Are there any new bolt revolver thingy & combat axe builds I can find anywhere

Remember one guy rocking it once guy played it like John wick

I gotta try it

[steep flower]

Bolt Revolvers?!

[atomic wyvern]

Idfk the snub ones

[steep flower]

snub

[atomic wyvern]

Bolt revolvers

Hold on I need to check something now

[steep flower]

Hellboy tier

[bold sierra]

this was my build at the time lol, I was using executioner stance so I didn't think I needed the 50% swap speed anyway -> couldnt take tac reload, took Born Leader for some extra team toughness regen support and all that.

[atomic wyvern]

Fat shark bolt revolvers when

But seriously where can I find a cool revolver axe build thingy

[steep flower]

Don’t need extra mag size

[atomic wyvern]

I yearn for the swag

[steep flower]

You save 2 talents this way

[steep flower]

Ah man i want that more than a loving GF

[bold sierra]

I think that shit's peak, I love the 4+ bolter rounds, mostly preference, felt liek I was able to spray into horders of ragers and kill them more consistently, but you can be without it ig.

[azure narwhal]

Dying for zealot to get a power spear or a chain glaive

Some form of polearm

[steep flower]

Inb4 the chain glaive won’t be able to stagger a crusher like other chain weapons and its gonna be dogshit

[azure narwhal]

Well, yes

It's the tax to pay for trying to use classic 40k weapon in a 40k game

[heavy rover]

How's the sights of the Legacy of Vraks helbore skin? Is it any worth over the default helbore sights?

[distant plaza]

that reminds me
i have to make a helbore build for my vet
any suggestions?

[heavy rover]

here's mine that i use. There's a lot of flexibility so be sure to read the build notes https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-havoc

Feel free to make changes to suit your preferences

[distant plaza]

thank you
not playing with skirmisher/exploit weakness/agile engagement seems a bit wonky to me
but i suppose the points to make a ranged helbore build with MMF work gotta come from somewhere
i'm kind of internally screaming for 2/3 more points: kill zone/deadshot/tunnel vision (i haven't played with these three talents since the talent tree rework, no idea if it works like i think it ought to)

[heavy rover]

yeah, there's a lot of flexibility on the notes. see the build description to see where the point flexibility can come from

[distant plaza]

i did
and i'm still screaming for a few more talent points to get all the goodies 😅

[heavy rover]

hmm... maybe you could trim down the top of the tree to just Confirmed kill -> Longshot -> Close order drill?

although I'd say deadshot isn't necessary for helbore if you've already got surgical

[steep flower]

Nah don’t

[steep flower]

Exacly

Deadshot is realisticaly only used for las pistols

[distant plaza]

i was thinking the extra crit chance from deadshot means that i wouldn't need as many surgical stacks with 5 stacks of weight of fire to make sure the shot crits for that sweet ammo refund
i see

[thin stone]

Why is infantry lasgun so bad for havocs

I love that weapon

But it's just awful

[unreal nova]

Inf lasgun in general is meh.

[thin stone]

What about laspistol?

[calm shard]

imagine the infantry lasgun

[unreal nova]

Your finger will die.

[calm shard]

but even worse damage on bodyshots

[unreal nova]

But is good.

[calm shard]

and way way way more damage on headshots

especially crit headshots

[thin stone]

Ohk ...

[serene bough]

armor elite deathballs + alternative means of dealing with gunners (smokes/bubbles)

[calm shard]

crit laspistol headshot will one shot just about anything

and it's in the running for top boss damage in the entire game

or well

[thin stone]

Give build for that pls

[calm shard]

like top 3-5 with a couple other weapons

[unreal nova]

Basically, laspistol is headshots only, but actually does serious damage then.

[calm shard]

Bolter and Thunderhammer are head and shoulders above the others

[thin stone]

@calm shard which build do you recommend to run in havoc as a veteran? For someone who is mid like me

[calm shard]

I do not run builds that would benefit people who are mid

And I do not know enough about anything other than the oops all damage gun vet builds to assist

[steep flower]

Its not bad
Just outclassed

[thin stone]

Is it possible to bring it to havocs?

High havocs

[steep flower]

Nothing is stopping you is there?

[thin stone]

How do I be not mid at the vetetan?

I keep getting killed by hordes

Also is it illegal if I bind the charge + block to one key on my mouse on my power sword

Illegal as in Fatshark calls it cheating

@steep flower

[serene bough]

you can bring but you'll not get much use out of it compared to other options

if youre looking for the most "user friendly" option you may as well run a meta loadout like PS6 and plasma

[thin stone]

I suck at using PS6

I keep forgetting to charge it before swinging

I much prefer the falchion

[hollow ibex]

ps6 is a jankfest

even if it's stupid strong

[thin stone]

What's a jankfest

[serene bough]

i use falchion on more ranged builds

but i havent tried in H40

[hollow ibex]

just janky to play around

[thin stone]

Yeh

It's like

I press the charge button, then I press the block to cancel the charge animation but it simply doesn't register

Or in the middle of a horde, I forget to perfectly time the combo

[thin stone]

So the charge animation never cancels out

[steep flower]

I dunno; its not a simple answer
But simply put - don’t be dogshit

[thin stone]

Lol

Power Sword 6 is not for me

I think I'll do much better with the falchion

[steep flower]

Ye start from there

[thin stone]

I do charge it, but it runs out of charge by the 4th swing

[serene bough]

at any rate if youre not surviving in melee you probably need more practice in general

[unreal nova]

Or you can, but then you need carries, lul.

[steep flower]

Ye; tgen you recharge it

Simple

[thin stone]

I do survive melee using non charging weapons

[steep flower]

Ye like you