The god emperor knows me
#veteran-class
rancid dragon
He can’t
dense river
More than he loves you
pulsar patio
god emprah loves me more
rancid dragon
This is Blödsinn
tepid otter
Krieg didn't give enough soldiers for the tithe it seems
rancid dragon
I’m going back to digging my trench
@dense river gonna be through your fracking house
dense river
<@628618691885531138> gonna be through your fracking house
So the deadshot perk applies in alternate fire mode
What is alternate fire? Just the right mouse ads/brace?
gentle lake
I implore the krieger to read Gone With the Blastwave
.
Uh
Those masks are interesting
Not sure if it makes sense to wear two filters when you got a hose already going down?
Well I guess theres triple filters out there.
south copper
What’s the highest amount of toughness a curio can give? The highest I’ve gotten so far is 17%
tepid otter
I think it is 17%, unless some can quote me on that
narrow frost
17%
south copper
Aight. So I gotta get 2 more 17% ones
tepid otter
I go for like 2 toughness curios and 1 stam one
south copper
I do triple toughness. I never feel I don’t have enough stamina with 4 bars
I have like 210 toughness rn
hollow ibex
I do triple toughness. I never feel I don’t have enough stamina with 4 bars
it's a good idea to take one hp still
some enemies bypass toughness
south copper
What I have feels fine to me. Plus technically the meta is indeed triple toughness
dense river
Out of all the veteran weapons, which ones are the proper one shot headshot snipers for even crushers?
I know the revolver can do it with one build, what about hellbore/bolter/plasma?
silver patrol
it's the hellbore
tepid otter
Hellbore
south copper
Plasma can one body shot snipers and 2 body shot crushers while being less clunky
dense river
Hmm and no for bolter and plasma? (not pistol the actual bolt gun mk2)
hollow ibex
What I have feels fine to me. Plus technically the meta is indeed triple toughne...
hope you never get sniped or eat a burster to the face
tame lodge
Out of all the veteran weapons, which ones are the proper one shot headshot snip...
Forget about shooting carapace with plasma
Ain't worth it
hollow ibex
Forget about shooting carapace with plasma
well maybe during the current gamemode it's worth it lol
south copper
hope you never get sniped or eat a burster to the face
Those are both skill issues and negated by shout
tame lodge
well maybe during the current gamemode it's worth it lol
But
But
Bad habits
silver patrol
in the current gamemode you should take the recon for a spin
hollow ibex
Those are both skill issues and negated by shout
yeah simply don't get hit
tame lodge
hollow ibex
why even take toughness
dense river
I dont get it, plasma gun can shoot through walls but not carapace?
hollow ibex
just don't run curios dumdum
south copper
I dont get it, plasma gun can shoot through walls but not carapace?
It still does good damage to carapace
tame lodge
What I have feels fine to me. Plus technically the meta is indeed triple toughne...
The meta would be 201 hp
tame lodge
200 HP and 1 sniper res
silver patrol
all with +curio chance, +exp, +ordos
south copper
World’s first true survivor runs triple toughness. That’s enough convincing for me that it’s meta
hollow ibex
World’s first true survivor runs triple toughness. That’s enough convincing for ...
you're going to get fucked and you'll remember this conversation 
south copper
Why would the meta in an easier activity be different than a harder activity. That’s nonsensical. There’s like 10% the snipers and bursters on auric vs havoc
hollow ibex
Then yeah
Auric meta is 200 hp
too much of a pain to build for on vet
orchid hemlock
too much of a pain to build for on vet
tame lodge
Why would the meta in an easier activity be different than a harder activity. Th...
Because havoc nerfs your HP and toughness
So it's harder to achieve 200
That's why
south copper
They still run the same build outside of havoc too
I’ll take the word of the provably better player thanks
orchid hemlock
They still run the same build outside of havoc too
There are breakpoints
If you have 200hp and 1 sniper resist you can survive 3 shots instead of 2
Then again it is assuming you never take any HP damage
south copper
Why would you be sitting eating 3 sniper shots as veteran on auric
orchid hemlock
200hp is also a poxburster breakpoints
south copper
Non rhetorical
south copper
It doesn’t make sense to build for sitting in one spot eating 3 sniper shots
orchid hemlock
Why would you be sitting eating 3 sniper shots as veteran on auric
Its not necessarily that you will take 3 sniper shots, it's more of the fact that no matter how much toughness you have you will take the same amount of damage from a sniper/pox
south copper
But you take less damage from basically everything else
Again why build to get hit by 2 things
Especially things that aren’t especially difficult to avoid
orchid hemlock
But you take less damage from basically everything else
You only take ho damage from melee attacks
south copper
There’s a difference between building to get hit by 2 things and everything else
tame lodge
I dont get it, plasma gun can shoot through walls but not carapace?
by default cara stops all cleave
few exceptions
hybrid plover
the only things that can actually allow you to cleave through cara are things that deliberately let you ignore hit mass and Power Sword's Sunder
The means, of ignoring hit mass being few and far between.
orchid hemlock
There’s a difference between building to get hit by 2 things and everything else
I think you are making the assumption that people sacrifice toughness to get HP
When you don't need to
I already explained earlier the logic
I'm not really trying to be a lawyer on it, that's the justification 🤷🏻♂️
I don't take HP in any curios because I play havoc 40s
Breakpoints don't exist
hybrid plover
Honestly one of my gripes with havoc is exactly that
curio setups are different because of the value nerfs
orchid hemlock
The breakpoint isn't hard to achieve
Zealot and Arbi both have 200 base HP
So the only 2 classes that really worry about that is Psyker and Vet
hybrid plover
so you have to deliberately choose different curios for each mode
hybrid plover
The breakpoint isn't hard to achieve
Zealot and Arbi both have 200 base HP
So ...
Crazy how psyker doesn't even have to worry about it as much anymore
orchid hemlock
Psyker is already a giga broken class, so taking 2 toughness and an HP curious is perfectly fine and even at times justified since the only way a Psyker can fuck up is if they play themselves and do something stupid 💀
hybrid plover
Yes let's give the space wizard 25% damage reduction at virtually all times
orchid hemlock
I've seen Psykers take a wound curio in 40s
meager echo
1 hp is enough for vet and psyker, the other 2 does not matter at all. Just take whatever you like, stamina/ hp/ toughness.
It's all about abusing gold anyway.
hybrid plover
1 hp is enough for vet and psyker, the other 2 does not matter at all. Just take...
Me, an exe stance enjoyer, scoffs at this notion
south copper
Psyker is already a giga broken class, so taking 2 toughness and an HP curious i...
Man everyone says that but I hate playing psyker. I feel weaker than my vet
I hate every class besides veteran
meager echo
I hate every class besides veteran
I don't even want to play other class because of plasma gun.
Just point the gun at their direction and specialists disappear.
south copper
I don't even want to play other class because of plasma gun.
Just point the gun ...
Yea see that’s my favorite thing about it lol
That and kraks instadeleting everything bigger from infinite range and having infinite uses
meager echo
You don't have to think, you don't have to aim, just point at that direction and it's gone
best gun ever.
hybrid plover
plasma boaring
orchid hemlock
1 hp is enough for vet and psyker, the other 2 does not matter at all. Just take...
Nah I refuse to take HP on Vet anymore
Class straight up has asthma 💀
meager echo
If you take 3 toughness and someone push poxburster to you...
Happen way to often in pubs.
orchid hemlock
I think people struggle with Psyker, not because it's "hard", but because the lightbulb in understanding the core mechanics of the game hasn't lit up yet
meager echo
I can't play psyker, the flame staff make the screen unplayable, can't see anything 
orchid hemlock
They don't realize how giga broken it is to have infinite cleave until they are thrown into a maelstrom meat grinder
Or CCing everything in front of you
Or blocking all range fire
Or pressing 2 buttons and everything gets 40 dots 💀
meager echo
Or CCing everything in front of you
I've played with a flame psyker with a run cancel purgatus macro .
Shit is busted af.
willow prairie
in vt2 the funny staff can actually hurt your team because they don't get thp and friendly fire lol
there literally no real downside to purg
unreal nova
The breakpoint isn't hard to achieve
Zealot and Arbi both have 200 base HP
So ...
It is. You need 21, 21, 5, 5, 5 to get 245 on Zeal.
orchid hemlock
It is. You need 21, 21, 5, 5, 5 to get 245 on Zeal.
The breakpoint is 200 hp I'm not talking about the next one
I'm not taking HP curious on Zealot 😤
unreal nova
Yeah, but idea is, to hit 200 lul.
You could drop the 3x 5%, I think.
And btw, a sniper shot takes around 47% of my hp bar.
I got railed by accident even when the lazer was on the other zealot.
The other zealot hit like 27% hp left but they are running those martyrdom stuff nodes.
orchid hemlock
Yeah, but idea is, to hit 200 lul.
Zealot at base has 200 hp
grand perch
Nah I refuse to take HP on Vet anymore
Class straight up has asthma 💀
not anymore it doesnt
unreal nova
Zealot at base has 200 hp
Don't you want more?
orchid hemlock
<:wtfgryn:1099688205420347412>
not anymore it doesnt
The only thing they buff was delay
Max stamina and sprint depletion is still the same
orchid hemlock
Don't you want more?
The entire convo was talking about the 200hp breakpoint with poxbursters and snipers
grand perch
The only thing they buff was delay
Max stamina and sprint depletion is still t...
soooo? stamina management is easy now
orchid hemlock
soooo? stamina management is easy now
I don't know about "easy" but moving 2 centimeters and my sprint is halved 🥵
grand perch
sounds like a you problem honestly
unreal nova
The entire convo was talking about the 200hp breakpoint with poxbursters and sni...
Yeah, you can take one, but will likely leave you nearly dead.
unreal nova
I don't know about "easy" but moving 2 centimeters and my sprint is halved 🥵
Why are you running with the plasma or powersword?
south copper
I think people struggle with Psyker, not because it's "hard", but because the li...
On my psyker I’m essentially just running a melee build. I don’t like any staves
The only thing I like about the class is the moonlight greatsword
Literally the one thing it has that’s cooler than anything vet has
orchid hemlock
Why are you running with the plasma or powersword?
99% of this game is running
unreal nova
99% of this game is running
The joke is swapping to a more mobile weapon.
orchid hemlock
Well if I was playing Psyker it would be sliding 😈
unreal nova
Pretty sure current havoc doesn't care about running, too many walls of 14+ crushers and bulwarks preventing it. Specifically just crushers.
unreal nova
Well if I was playing Psyker it would be sliding 😈
-0.25 stam delay node.
orchid hemlock
Also dodging eats stamina
That's why I'm always empty 😈
tame lodge
Welp just played one match of the event
There's a reason why Plasma is low ammo
Because hoo boy
I never spammed it this much
unreal nova
There's a reason why Plasma is low ammo
Actual railgun now
tame lodge
Might try the M2 build later
unreal nova
50? No, inf.
All guns at low ping funni.
300 ping means you just sad melee only.
Nothing hits barring pointblank shots... AND EVEN THEN.
0 damage stagger.
vestal olive
Why would the meta in an easier activity be different than a harder activity. Th...
It's not nonsensical at all
That's like asking why someone would ever use a screwdriver to do a simple task when a power drill is much better for harder tasks
south copper
If I have a drill and not a screwdriver, why would I bother replacing the drill with a screwdriver
south copper
The game has RNG rolls. I’m not grinding for something different when I already have something strong that works for me
Slot machines are a waste of time
vestal olive
Second. The meta of an easier game mode can and will absolutely be different from a harder game mode. Case in point: League of legends ranks
The meta of Diamond is not the meta of Silver
south copper
In this scenario the meta for the harder gamemode still works perfectly well
vestal olive
Not relevant to the question of what is the meta
I like green beans too. Equally not relevant
vestal olive
Again, not relevant to the question of what is the meta
south copper
It’s the havoc meta. Good enough for me
unreal nova
If I have a drill and not a screwdriver, why would I bother replacing the drill ...
I wouldn't power drill to screw my PC case close nor powerdrill to unscrew and screw my controller case and other electronic stuff.
south copper
Y’all are getting lost in these metaphors.
I have the havoc meta build
The havoc meta build works in auric
I’m gonna use it
I don’t want to make another build because RNG farming is garbage
That’s that
ripe jewel
yea it works
no one is telling you to swap or anything
just that if your concern is purely meta you aren't strictly following it
south copper
I’m following the havoc meta. The havoc meta works in auric
Y’all are making it out like it doesn’t
It literally does or else I wouldn’t be able to clear auric with it
ripe jewel
I think you're confusing what's meta for what's viable
unreal nova
It literally does or else I wouldn’t be able to clear auric with it
Ainz solo'd auric with greys.
ripe jewel
meta is the most effective tactic available and it's ok to not strictly follow it
often times people perform better with what suits their playstyle over what is strictly 'meta'
south copper
Ainz solo'd auric with greys.
Good for them. Means the game isn’t hard enough for a meta to even matter
Like Helldivers
hybrid plover
DOUBLE BARREL RAAAARRRGGGHHGHG
ripe jewel
no meta matters, just that to my knowledge ainz is really good
ripe jewel
DOUBLE BARREL RAAAARRRGGGHHGHG
peak
unreal nova
Is more, auric is where you can mess around more than late havocs.
south copper
The content isn’t hard enough for a meta to matter
unreal nova
If you are just going to run hard meta, might as well havoc grind.
hybrid plover
I love being Doom Guy in Havoc
south copper
I don’t do havoc because it has no matchmaking and sitting in LFG for 10+ minutes isn’t fun
ripe jewel
ok but what you don't play is still a part of the game
tepid otter
high havoc is
is glorious
ripe jewel
you not playing it doesn't make it not part of the experience
hybrid plover
I mean it's been a little bleak with the current modifiers imho
south copper
I was addressing the previous statement
tepid otter
Just did H31 and fought off 4 bosses at once with some randos
hybrid plover
But hey the event's really fun
ripe jewel
I was addressing the previous statement
oh okay i suppose
sharp epoch
I don’t do havoc because it has no matchmaking and sitting in LFG for 10+ minute...
i think 10 minutes is an exaggeration tbh and theres always this discord lfg your already in
south copper
i think 10 minutes is an exaggeration tbh and theres always this discord lfg you...
The first couple havoc runs I did, I was sitting for like 10 minutes waiting for just one person to join
I don’t get why they don’t have matchmaking for 1-10 or whatever
I get it eventually gets extremely hard but those levels are like malice difficulty
sharp epoch
I thought winning an auric malestrom would boost you to like 15 or 20
hybrid plover
I thought winning an auric malestrom would boost you to like 15 or 20
16
tepid otter
Do wish they'd add a bit more incentive to Havocs, I personally enjoy the game mode, but yeah, theres not enough people doing it in lower difficulties
sharp epoch
@south copper do an auric malestrom then your clearance will go to 16 then matchmaking should be better
hybrid plover
Well, kinda makes sense given by the time you want to bother with Havoc in most cases, you've at least done an Auric Maelstrom
south copper
Tf is a maelstrom?
hybrid plover
Tf is a maelstrom?
Ain't no flippin way
sharp epoch
on the auric mission board it'll say malestrom on one of them its basically a harder auric
hybrid plover
It's the fun auric modifiers :)
sharp epoch
the hardest difficulty before havoc was released
south copper
I exclusively quick match so I guess I haven’t done one
spark helm
Tf is a maelstrom?
Extra modifiers
You've likely done one before and never realized it since its part of quick play pools.
hybrid plover
1-15 exist as a way for newer players to get somewhat familiarized with the idea of Havoc but at this point, that's few and far between.
hybrid plover
You've likely done one before and never realized it since its part of quick play...
If they haven't reached 16, they probably haven't done a maelstrom.
spark helm
Auric maelstrom like people said used to be the highest difficulty standard before havoc 40 became a thing.
spark helm
If they haven't reached 16, they probably haven't done a maelstrom.
Like level 16?
hybrid plover
Like level 16?
Clearance 16
hybrid plover
Because doing an auric maelstrom automatically jumps you to clearance 16
hybrid plover
Yes.
south copper
Imma keep it real, if it’s harder than like the high intensity missions it probably won’t be beatable for me cuz I play with randoms and they can’t even really do those
hybrid plover
And if you go below 16, you can do an auric maelstrom and get right back to it.
spark helm
I'm wired and wanna get back on psyker. Feel like playing with staves again.
hybrid plover
Imma keep it real, if it’s harder than like the high intensity missions it proba...
That sounds like quitter talk. 
spark helm
Guess I'll just run that as a warmup
south copper
That sounds like quitter talk. <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
I play games for fun. I ain’t got shit to prove
If something isn’t fun I don’t do it
Modifierless auric is already a toss up with randoms to the point where I feel I do better with bots sometimes
sharp epoch
I thought the game was easy 😭
spark helm
Imma keep it real, if it’s harder than like the high intensity missions it proba...
At that rate, you'll have to actually allow yourself to communicate at whatever capacity is acceptable to you.
Even though it can be a pain in the ass, giving information through reliable pings based off of better judgement helps everyone. People at higher levels can often forget how important that is but just pinging even one enemy can shift dps on a valuable target in an instant. Or a couple of enemy pings on incoming horde mobs helps give someone willing to keep their senses available time to help address/acknowledge the situation.
Comms work too and people are often more likely to cooperate at highest game modes even if they don't wanna respond or whatever. People like cooperating when there's hundreds of enemies filling a corridor and it's four people defending a pincer.
Worth considering I'd say. 
south copper
At that rate, you'll have to actually allow yourself to communicate at whatever ...
I ping shit all the time. And type in chat. Hell one of my builds is literally a mark vet. But that doesn’t do much for the zealots that go off 5 miles ahead of the team just to die and leave
spark helm
Not much you can do about that besides playing strong and supporting the people actually supporting you back.
Let the main characters draw fire for you. Free stat padding. Can't rack up kills and top dps when you're waiting for rescue.
south copper
The game doesn’t even tell me those things
I’m on console
There’s 0 individual stats
spark helm
I was being facetious about stats tbh.
The point there has more to do with just letting goofy play fuel your killstreaks so you can keep the backpack healthy yk?
If you're already that competent, you just being a veteran automatically usually means that everyone else can benefit. Just being near a good veteran unrionically makes everything better. Leaning into being a team player doesn't have to mean you're stifling yourself by not overextending your reach when trying to corral someone dedicated to play poorly.
south copper
Well when I get teammates that understand that, the missions go smoothly
But like
I consistently get the teams with 3 melee classes that like to speedrun on their own then die
It’s like they’re playing a solo game
hybrid plover
you may want to try maelstrom if I'll be honest
spark helm
It’s like they’re playing a solo game
It can sometimes just mean that you take a few seconds during a fight to soften up a zealot dive, sneak in a grenade for them, etc. Ping shit like trappers and whatever.
I literally just use pings and focus target explictly to give silly players a shiny mini game to race after.
You'd be surprised how much command veteran can literally command from people without ever having to push themselves.
hybrid plover
Darktide is a game of inversed difficulty if that makes sense.
spark helm
And I'd say that staying in higher difficulties makes cooperation and more sensible matchmaking randoms much more common.
hybrid plover
The higher the difficulty, the more competent your teammates tend to be, and therefore, the easier the games tend to become.
spark helm
A lot of people breeze into auric and that's their wall and they stay there until they give up or get better eventually.
hybrid plover
The higher the difficulty, the more competent your teammates tend to be, and the...
Mind that this is not always how this plays out.
south copper
It can sometimes just mean that you take a few seconds during a fight to soften ...
No like I had a game yesterday. High intensity auric mission The worst match I have ever played in this game. I was vet with 2 zealots and an arb. I spawned in on one of the zealots. The other one was like several whole point of no returns ahead. The arb was one behind. Arb dies and leaves. We frantically try to catch up to the lead zealot until they die and leave. Then the two of us wipe to all the enemies that the lead zealot left behind in conjunction with another wave that spawned
That’s been a pretty consistent experience for me with randoms
toxic reef
people who also can't hold their own tend to just quit more often
like I rarely even get zealots who just run ahead and if I do they usually just die and quit anyway
spark helm
That’s been a pretty consistent experience for me with randoms
Yeah sometimes you really do just get dumb games like that. It sucks but that's just what it is sometimes.
As a veteran, sometimes I just say fuck it and keep up with the gorilla goofy players and ape out better than them. It can be fun but also annoying because that can sometimes be the best strategy but some people really do try and play this game like a solo act but...just can't do basic shit anyway so they kind of treat higher difficulties like roulette runs and unconsciously sabotage missions then just leave.
There are times where you're just going to get games like that no matter what you say or do to give them better information and support to even enable that nonsense.
Shrug and go next, maybe try and politely (safe humor works in my experience the most) do vocal callouts.
If they keep being stupid, fuck it let em die. The next person may show up sooner than later. Rinse repeat.
This game encourages people just diving in and out of backfill so the salty folks just flow into everyone else.
Zealots, ogryn and arbites are usually my "scrub rando" commons.
south copper
If they keep being stupid, fuck it let em die. The next person may show up soone...
Yea but a majority of my auric games end up being like that. One out of like 4 missions is the team actually coherent. Every other time it’s leavers and wipes
That’s why I say it’s a toss up
tepid otter
Yeah sometimes you really do just get dumb games like that. It sucks but that's ...
Ape out is too real lmao
spark helm
Vets can be too but voc usually carries poor habits enough to salvage things because I too get the toughness even though they kind of just burned it on cooldown again. 😭
spark helm
Ape out is too real lmao
Look, that rashad combat axe is great in that regard.
They're doing all this extra flailing and I'm just dropping heavies like singles at the cashier checkout line lmao.
Oh? I got voc for the 5th time? Alright. stares at their toughness meter
Okay it's at 20% again because they can't understand the concept of a combo nor shoves on arbites boom golden.
Go forth, my goofies. Kill them focus target spam
The exact same mentality exists when I play ogryn but I'm just cycling loyal protector while hogging kills anyway. They're gonna race to me at some point because I'm holding the whole damn hive off of one block and taunt.
You can finesse people's cooperation by just being better and forcing fights towards you. The goofies want to feel powerful and their main character antics can actually promote them to finally play like a teammate for the most selfish reasons.
Boom, you just gaslit your zealot scrub into coherency purely by being more efficient. Genius.
misty minnow
Yea but a majority of my auric games end up being like that. One out of like 4 m...
What region?
slow sky
fatshark literally strikes me down for deciding to do a ranged build instead of exclusively shovel double barrel
all ragers
all gas
all close quarters
get locked into a corner idiot
slow sky
Lol what difficulty?
havoc 40
or 30 something idk i just join random high havocs when i want to
slow sky
What mods I should ask
actually used mods would be
MoreGraphicsOptions
ForTheEmperor
Healthbars
custom_hud
PanicStimm
StimmsPickupIcon
show_crit_chance
true_level
hub_hotkey_menus
kill_tracker
InspectFromSocial
creature_spawner
more_characters_and_loadouts
FoundYa
guarantee_weapon_swap
CacklingTrapper
show_cjk_glyphs
who_are_you
ChatBlock
Spidey Sense
WarpUnboundTimer
danger_zone
PingMonitor
InspectFromPartyFinder
CollectibleFinder
BuffStackHUD
NumericUI
ovenproof_scoreboard_plugin
scoreboard
misty minnow
Lol I meant for the enemies
misty minnow
Lol
slow sky
stims and purple
misty minnow
Oh ok not rotten armor?
misty minnow
Lol
slow sky
50% ranged dr for armor
misty minnow
That would be more funny
slow sky
id kill myself ngl
misty minnow
Lot of times all that shit was hard to see through. I would be blocking a lot too
But they definitely didn't want you to pull out your range
dense river
How do you guys setup your bolters far as weapon perks go?
tall torrent
How do you guys setup your bolters far as weapon perks go?
unyielding & flak on veteran
dense river
Not carapace?
mortal aspen
shooting carapace with bolter is fun but not a good idea
works in auric tho, just steal all the ammo (it's rightfully yours)
tall torrent
Not carapace?
melee the crusher
misty minnow
Yes be an ammo hog
dense river
Is the power falchion or the power sword really good against them with their special attack?
static radish
power sword apperantly is good at everthing
mortal aspen
Is the power falchion or the power sword really good against them with their spe...
power sword
dense river
Ohh
Well
Scrw the dueling sword then
Bolter + Power sword : )
Not really running a melee build tho
Fuuu
ivory trail
I find that PS is annoying to use after trying out axe
dense river
Build diversity is such exquisite agony, so many choices
Huh thats odd
I just went to the armory and saw a curio that needed level 24 and I was able to buy it anyway (I am level 22)
Cant equip it though, thats nice of the game to allow me to buy it for later though
ivory aurora
dose las pistols work with vet or not too much ?
slow sky
dose las pistols work with vet or not too much ?
It does, fair amount of crit in the tree, free ammo with shock troop, and ranged damage scattered all around as well as finesse damage in marksman focus
All of its damage is loaded into crit headshots so you really wanna be landing those
ivory aurora
ohh i see. is it close to the recon las build ?
static radish
there's two types of vet
slow sky
ohh i see. is it close to the recon las build ?
Yeah, but less spammy and more deliberate aim
static radish
wait no better joke yet
slow sky
Recon banks on crits due to infernus and shock troop
Laspistol does it for those two AND cuz it needs crit headshots
static radish
we got a type of tyranid subspecies in the game, they are called "ammo stealers"
ivory trail
Recon las but you no longer have fingers
static radish
fucking hell that vet didnt stop taking all the ammo
slow sky
You can get away with just firing in the general direction of an enemy with recon cuz youll stack burn on em so quickly they'll just perish
But you gotta aim with laspistol
Tradeoff is some nasty damage against stuff like unarmored and ESPECIALLYA unyielding
ivory trail
fucking hell that vet didnt stop taking all the ammo
Play psyker or ogryn so you no longer need ammo
static radish
im good myself lol, im a vet with survivalist i dont care
slow sky
Play psyker or ogryn so you no longer need ammo<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Wdym, psykers need ammo
static radish
the other two dudes tho? getting pissed at that vet
ivory aurora
i see thank you guys!
My finger for the Emperor
slow sky
i see thank you guys!
My finger for the Emperor
Oh and use the mk2 pattern
Yeah thats the faster firing one but the other one firing much slower is just kinda ass in both feel and breakpoints
The faster one also stacks infernus faster too
slow sky
should i go shout or marksmen ?
Up to you
ivory aurora
ok
static radish
is out for blood good?
tepid otter
is out for blood good?
I take it on my Grenadier vet to help keep toughness up for teams in Coherency
tepid otter
so it doesnt like..apply to ranged kills i take it
Works for any kills afaik
slow sky
Plus now your melee kills give a total of 10%
slow sky
Its good for builds that get large quantities of kills consistently, like a melee build with a cleavier weapon
tepid otter
I got Bistol on it atm lmao
midnight wyvern
whats a good gun for WS ?
yes
static radish
Its good for builds that get large quantities of kills consistently, like a mele...
grenade build maybe?
slow sky
whats a good gun for WS ?
Biased answer or unbiased answer
static radish
yes
slow sky
Double barrel
static radish
already have it so i think im good
static radish
Double barrel
for the other one tho?
dapper coyote
Chat, which Vigil AG is good? (light medium or heavy, i don't remember the name or marks)
calm shard
Chat, which Vigil AG is good? (light medium or heavy, i don't remember the name ...
all 3 are good currently
dapper coyote
With semi auto with no bursts
dapper coyote
all 3 are good currently
Hmm
calm shard
Semi auto one is the most comfy for most people to use
dapper coyote
Fair enough
slow sky
Revolvers are also good with it considering the round up like double barrel, and the ensured crit is really nice with them
Aside from that, theyre just some nice small passive buffs to ranged, the better part is the melee buffs it grants if youre not leaning hard into the ranged buffs like the auto reload and forced crit
calm shard
Columnus (3 shot burst) does wild damage per trigger pull so it scales very well into havoc
static radish
Revolvers are also good with it considering the round up like double barrel, and...
gotcha
slow sky
So they really work with anything
slow sky
But double barrel 
dapper coyote
I see
slow sky
Fletchette manstopper double barrel
calm shard
Fletchette manstopper double barrel
delicious gun it KILLS ALL MY ENEMIES
midnight wyvern
Fletchette manstopper double barrel
remove room infront of you gun
static radish
also @calm shard i did give a try to the combat shotgun stance...maybe cuz im still upgrading my skill tree but idk, doesnt feel good (at least atm)
calm shard
yeah breakpoint reliant gun moment
static radish
good my english sucks today...when doesnt it suck tbh
dry cloak
also <@199236663174627328> i did give a try to the combat shotgun stance...maybe...
which combat shotty? agrippina?
slow sky
remove room infront of you gun
calm shard
P sure they used Zarona because that's what I was showing off with exe shotgun earlier
static radish
which combat shotty? agrippina?
zorona
calm shard
Zarona is definitely reliant on having high crit chance
I can 100% believe that it sucks when leveling
static radish
ohhh yeah makes sense
static radish
gotcha, so for now agri is better i take it?
calm shard
if you want to run exe stance with shotgun you go agrippina
Nah Zarona's good too
midnight wyvern
YEAAAAAA
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/143108761...
god i hate discord buffering
slow sky
god i hate discord buffering
Its 251 kills in less than 1 minute
static radish
now i just need to get the melees
dry cloak
Nah Zarona's good too
i dont doubr that. just agrip will work better on avarage
slow sky
Consecutive combo
calm shard
i dont doubr that. just agrip will work better on avarage
Ironically I kinda feel like I use Agri less when I have it equipped
Just because it does less things at once
I don't disagree with you mind because Agri isn't as crit reliant, and is more accurate
midnight wyvern
static radish
interesting "gif"
woven hazel
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ffb5fd9-655c-4fef-86af-187952d06cfb/lasgun-veteran-current im running helbore my beloved. But I was wondering, I dont vie with knife or shovel. More so chain axe or devil claw swor,d what would yall reccomend?
dry cloak
agrip shotty is basically a rifle
dry cloak
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ffb5fd9-655c-4fef-86af-187952d06cfb/la...
devil claw for horde clear on even heavysword
static radish
YEAAAAAA
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/143108761...
shit felt like 5 minutes
woven hazel
devil claw for horde clear on even heavysword
bet thanks what blessings and perks?
and mark
dry cloak
for devilc claw its either mk4 or mk7
for heavy sword check which moveset works for you the best
dry cloak
slow sky
Have you tried enjoying the correct weapon (mk1 shovel) instead of not enjoying it?
woven hazel
how amI gonna duel a plauge ogryn with a fin shuffle
dry cloak
cole at it again
past saddle
What's the best melee to use if I use plasma, any good options to try?
slow sky
how amI gonna duel a plauge ogryn with a fin shuffle
By hitting it??
tepid otter
Psword
dry cloak
What's the best melee to use if I use plasma, any good options to try?
any horde clear weapon you want
woven hazel
By hitting it??
shiiiiit
woven hazel
Yeah turns out you can do that with daemonhosts too
Crazy ik
out of curiosity whats theb uild for the hsovel
slow sky
out of curiosity whats theb uild for the hsovel
The shovel alone?
woven hazel
well im doing theh elborel asgun build I sent
slow sky
Unyielding carapace uncanny decimator
Specifically with serrated blade
But im just a shovel shill
I use dclaw with my helbore build
Shame that I suck at aiming
static radish
lads, i need some help finding some melees
sterile garnet
lads, i need some help finding some melees
can be found in your primary weapon slot
you are welcome
static radish
can be found in your primary weapon slot
sir this is a wendy's
slow sky
well im doing theh elborel asgun build I sent
This is what I was using in havoc 40 earlier today with
Hotshot surgical helbore (the slowest charging i think?)
And a shred rampage dclaw 7
static radish
im not sure if i should use shovel, knife or falchion or even something else
slow sky
Can't go wrong with shovel
Yes im biased but its true, its a good generalist
tepid otter
the bonkening
slow sky
Good dodges, good defense/stam economy, good clear, good single target, and with uncanny/serrated, good armor damage
Oh and mk1 force stagger special let's you control space super easy
static radish
the shovel or?
slow sky
Yes
dry cloak
mk6 knifes better anyway
slow sky
Knives still one of the best weapons in the game, both marks
dry cloak
mk3 knife has better fineese multiplayer? no? its moveset is better suited for stleaht zealot than mk6
distant plaza
YEAAAAAA
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/143108761...
another connoisseur of kill tracker!
static radish
"multiplayer"
sorry that made me giggle despite probably being an auto correct error
the again, i dont really use heavy attack on the knife besides when to backstab
i just shwing
yes there's an H there because i want it
dry cloak
mk6 has 3 heavies
with 2 of those being sideways
and mk3 has 2 heavies both being strikedowns
it simply works better for stealth zealot than mk6
slow sky
another connoisseur of kill tracker!
I need numbers going up on my screen or I will fucking explode and then die
thorn lark
Good dodges, good defense/stam economy, good clear, good single target, and with...
You forgot that you don't need to invest too much in talents to make them work.
So it's good if you decide to go to the left side
static radish
it simply works better for stealth zealot than mk6
gotcha
unreal nova
fair enough
Heck, you can mk6 on shroud zealot fine.
dry cloak
yes you can
uncut topaz
YEAAAAAA
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/143108761...
What are the mods u use?
The hud ones
static radish
Heck, you can mk6 on shroud zealot fine.
well alright
idk why i prefer mk3
but if it is worse
unreal nova
but if it is worse
Not that bad. Is only when you get to vet and psyker where the mk3 is really bad.
static radish
gotcha gotcha
olive halo
anyone else been getting horrible network lag since the update?
I mean the last patch like 2 days ago
static radish
it always has been
olive halo
nah I mean like way worse
it's to the point that I have to restart every single lobby, often disconnects, and half the time can't even walk in the direction im looking, swap weapons, attack, etc
unreal nova
Welcome to the servers, never changed since a year back.
dense river
What server? I play asia/hong kong and its generally stable
unreal nova
What server? I play asia/hong kong and its generally stable
EU and US can get spicy. And it's not even my 300 ping at times
dense river
Oh yeah
When I cant find matches I switch to EU and damn
Its like a whole different game almost because of how many network issues I end up with
olive halo
What server? I play asia/hong kong and its generally stable
damn I might consider using that then
unreal nova
Its like a whole different game almost because of how many network issues I end ...
Some servers are good, some are... horrible.
ancient path
vets, are we all just rocking kraks now?
static radish
ol' reliable
ancient path
i wanna bring back my damn shovel
static radish
vets, are we all just rocking kraks now?
shredder frags for me
(since i dont do havoc or auric)
ancient path
oh. i only play auric; dont do havoc.
static radish
i heard that shredder frags arent bad
static radish
i use them to clear room (especially with inf build)
ancient path
which is possible w/ p. sword and p. falcion
and that (dot dot dot) thing
(d. sword)
static radish
🤢
static radish
as i wish i had a fun team like that
really did take a liking to the infantry las
fun when you dont have to kill your finger spamming it
red robin
nice
Holy fuck
Bro teaming up with rattlings
Guy on right playing for the moebian lakers
calm shard
i heard that shredder frags arent bad
arguably best blitz in the game
kraks are just EXTREMELY good into the current havoc modifiers
because of SOMEBODY
who has way too much health for their own good
void dragon
My man here fat shaming the crushers for doing their job of being super chunky
red robin
because of **SOMEBODY**
calm shard
seriously fuck's this guy got all that health for
static radish
seriously fuck's this guy got all that health for
thats what...9k hp total?
calm shard
static radish
ok a bit more
calm shard
static radish
i wonder if we'll ever get any other chaos god in darktide...probably not
calm shard
havoc 40 😎
calm shard
just normal damnation probly
unreal nova
oh cool i unlocked heresy on my new vet
Time to gamble teammates.
shy raft
i wonder whats the best source of plasteel and diamantine
mortis trials
ancient path
Bro teaming up with rattlings
the ratling is me. i did min height lmfao
unreal nova
mortis trials
You get less than a run of the same diff.
And you only get them at the end.
frigid shuttle
i wonder whats the best source of plasteel and diamantine
events + auric
unreal nova
The best is havoc, for weekly box and the grinding highest diff you can play and loot.
Excluding events.
Events are nice when they are running, but one time only.
dapper ember
i wonder whats the best source of plasteel and diamantine
Anything you can get your hands on tbh lol
red robin
the ratling is me. i did min height lmfao
My b chief, my intention wasn’t to say anything negative abt ur character, just found it funny 3 min height vets and 1 max height vet makes the difference comedically noticeable
ancient path
My b chief, my intention wasn’t to say anything negative abt ur character, just ...
its nbd lmfao i found it hilarious
im angry im small and i have a shovel
red robin
True
dense river
its nbd lmfao i found it hilarious
Your pfp
ancient path
anyone else specifically shoot maulers in the dick
ancient path
massive krieg milkers
when i ran my vet through the ai gacha machine, i said "i look like someones porn oc"
dense river
LOL
unreal nova
when i ran my vet through the ai gacha machine, i said "i look like someones por...
Isn't that 99% of OCs anyway?
ancient path
Isn't that 99% of OCs anyway?
static radish
Anything you can get your hands on tbh lol
tis what i aready do
im a gremlin for those
4
4 deamon hosts
in a single mission
dapper ember
4 deamon hosts
Most ive ever gotten was 5, that was a bad day for them hehehe~
static radish
damn?
unreal nova
My b chief, my intention wasn’t to say anything negative abt ur character, just ...
The best part is that height doesn't just scale how tall you are... Everything else gets bigger, including certain swords.
static radish
i say damn as in, "damn 4? sheesh"
dapper ember
Ik ik I like messing around
static radish
:C
i brought the infiltrate build by accident
when i tried to shout i went invis and thought "welp..NADE TIME"
unreal nova
in a single mission
Sounds like lights out.
static radish
it was lol
dapper ember
Oof
When I saw my 5 I was running my Hammer Zealot bulid sooooo, they didnt even have a hp bar lol
static radish
man i really wanna only have 3 builds on this vet but like...not have the stealth bomber sucks
dapper ember
I just went...BACKSHOT and they just died
static radish
thammer?
static radish
When I saw my 5 I was running my Hammer Zealot bulid sooooo, they didnt even hav...
didnt read this
unreal nova
man i really wanna only have 3 builds on this vet but like...not have the stealt...
8 builds or bust.
unreal nova
bleak oasis
So many helbore kriegsmen throwing auric matches
unreal nova
You need 3 'nade builds.
static radish
So many helbore kriegsmen throwing auric matches
not surprised
bleak oasis
They should at least run shout rather than 3x exec stance
unreal nova
One being absolute stupid memes.
bleak oasis
Then die once a crusher pack shows up
static radish
You need 3 'nade builds.
uhm....go on?
bleak oasis
Or at least bring kraks
unreal nova
uhm....go on?
Grenadier builds for each 'nade.
static radish
oh
unreal nova
Yes, even smoke.
unreal nova
Bonus, you bring them to obscura dens.
bleak oasis
Would be nice if the double nade skill gave smoke special treatment rather than having two smokes on the same spot
static radish
Bonus, you bring them to obscura dens.
fuck are those
unreal nova
Would be nice if the double nade skill gave smoke special treatment rather than ...
Should throw one and drop the other at your char's feet.
bleak oasis
fuck are those
British colonial opium dens, but 40k
static radish
ok well
i have an idea
shitty one
but an idea non the less
use the same fucking build for all nades
just change the nade
unreal nova
use the same fucking build for all nades
That is what I meant.
static radish
oh ok
unreal nova
3 'nade builds, each for each 'nade type.
bleak oasis
Why make them be separate builds, then?
static radish
can't forget
unreal nova
Just don't expect much from smoke bomber.
unreal nova
Why make them be separate builds, then?
Because FS.
static radish
eh i need it for a penance anyways so
bleak oasis
There's a mod to make swapping nodes possible with a click of the button
static radish
oh
unreal nova
The loadout system doesn't let you switch between key nodes.
bleak oasis
There's a mod for that.
static radish
send me the mod thank yee
unreal nova
There's a mod for that.
A MOD.
unreal nova
Not everyone mods or has access to mods.
bleak oasis
If FS isn't going to do the QoL changes, the modders will
Just look at dodge counters
3 years till it ended up incorporated into the game
bleak oasis
If only weapons didn't have varying dodge counts
Or builds had no nodes that increased them
unreal nova
You get used to it. This is also vet where we lack that.
bleak oasis
send me the mod thank yee
Should be this one.
Now that vet, zealot and psyker got reworked to "any blitz, any aura, no taxes", this mod gets more mileage.
Until, of course, FS makes skill trees less of a chore to re-spec when they inevitably hear people keep asking for QoL outside of mods
static radish
but mostly qol ones
not the ones that just..."hey look barrels have this radius"
static radish
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/216
2023 and still works?
unreal nova
not the ones that just..."hey look barrels have this radius"
After all, I take more friendly fire in low diffs.
bleak oasis
2023 and still works?
i literally use it. Yes.
bleak oasis
Unless FS makes any changes to how the UI for talent trees work, it'll work
unreal nova
2023 and still works?
Thing about mods is how they are coded. Some mods just work years on, others break from a tiny unrelated patch.
calm shard
Until, of course, FS makes skill trees less of a chore to re-spec when they inev...
what's that? official mod launcher that disables most of the coolest mods?
bleak oasis
And the rebalance they did only affected the effects of the nodes themselves
calm shard
and only allows a small selection of "verified" ones without forcing you into the modded realm that nobody plays?
static radish
Thing about mods is how they are coded. Some mods just work years on, others bre...
yeah true
static radish
and only allows a small selection of "verified" ones without forcing you into th...
"solo gameplay" not avaliable be like 
unreal nova
"solo gameplay" not avaliable be like <:Servoskull:736623579403124857>
More like, too expensive to run servers for those.
static radish
peer to peer is more expensive?
unreal nova
Me. I have been solo in this run the entire time anyway.
unreal nova
peer to peer is more expensive?
DT runs on actual servers.
Not P2P.
You can still 'solo' cos certain servers are dead as heck.
Is why I play 300 ping.
The server I play on is DEAD.
Only has like a period of time where there's actually players.
midnight wyvern
4 deamon hosts
unreal nova
you play at 3am
Shush you.
midnight wyvern
L
hollow ibex
nope
wise wren
trying to recreate my older build on vetran but I think the change of ndoes is messing me up a bit
versed mural
So, I know people don’t like the power Falchion, how bad is it? Is it workable in auric?
azure narwhal
So, I know people don’t like the power Falchion, how bad is it? Is it workable i...
very much so, it is overblown in terms of its bad performance imo
been using it a lot lately in auric maels + havocs
versed mural
very much so, it is overblown in terms of its bad performance imo
Yeah I was just playing with it in the Psykhanium and it seems good. I love the power sword but I find that I can end up getting cornered and running out of dodges
hollow ibex
So, I know people don’t like the power Falchion, how bad is it? Is it workable i...
it's useable
just mid
azure narwhal
Yeah I was just playing with it in the Psykhanium and it seems good. I love the ...
remember that power sword dumps cleave targets
versed mural
remember that power sword dumps cleave targets
…I was not aware of that. Thank you
unreal nova
cant p2p be done?
Game would have to basically recoded for it.
versed mural
Game would have to basically recoded for it.
I get the feeling that this game’s code is 10 years of duct tape and zip ties
wise wren
Yall think this looks fine?
I was stuck between born leader and demolition team
also trying to figure out how to get bring it down from here
unreal nova
I get the feeling that this game’s code is 10 years of duct tape and zip ties
So even worse, heh.
versed mural
Which, as a mechanic, I can respect, but still, it would make changing it a nightmare
azure narwhal
…I was not aware of that. Thank you
you're welcome, as for the power falchion, i'd suggest mk2b, cranial and wrath for blessings. i use carapace and unyielding for my perks. i've used both mks for some time, and to be honest, the uppercuts on mk2b are quite benefitial especially with vet's crits.
unreal nova
Which, as a mechanic, I can respect, but still, it would make changing it a nigh...
Why recode, no way changes will work.
versed mural
Why recode, no way changes will work.
Yeah exactly. It’s had so many years of hackjob additions and changes that you’re better off just rebuilding from the ground up
wise wren
any recommendatrions on the tree here
thinking of getting rid of either longshot or born in blood
versed mural
you're welcome, as for the power falchion, i'd suggest mk2b, cranial and wrath f...
Thank you!! I will try that!
hollow ibex
Yall think this looks fine?
I was stuck between born leader and demolition team...
don't go keystoneless, don't take get back in the fight
hollow ibex
Yeah I was just playing with it in the Psykhanium and it seems good. I love the ...
mk1 is a bit better than mk2 tbh
though i don't think there's a big difference
versed mural
any recommendatrions on the tree here
thinking of getting rid of either longsho...
I think longshot is usually dropped in favor of one motion
wise wren
don't go keystoneless, don't take get back in the fight
Running the recon MK 12 so usually keystoneless is what I went for before
versed mural
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1422251612688355411/5...
Aw hell yeah
unreal nova
Yeah exactly. It’s had so many years of hackjob additions and changes that you’r...
And this time, recode the good stuff so you don't need to refactor it over again and again.
hollow ibex
Aw hell yeah
this is juiced af, in practice it's prob going to be closer to 2k dps
which is still not bad
power falch's carapace damage is perfectly fine
unreal nova
Running the recon MK 12 so usually keystoneless is what I went for before
Is recon though.
versed mural
And this time, recode the good stuff so you don't need to refactor it over again...
Yeah but knowing corporate culture they’re never going to go for that. The labor costs would be way too high. Which is BS but it is what it is
wise wren
Is recon though.
yeah ti was doing numbers
unreal nova
Yeah but knowing corporate culture they’re never going to go for that. The labor...
I mean, they are still wasting more changing massive systems constantly.
azure narwhal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1422251612688355411/5...
leakage + a great number of active buffs + PA spam, makes sense lol it is indeed at its best here
i honestly grew to like mk2b's uppercuts more, however mk1 has its bonuses
versed mural
I mean, they are still wasting more changing massive systems constantly.
Believe me, I agree, but management never sees it that way.
azure narwhal
thrust and horizontals are very good
wise wren
I think longshot is usually dropped in favor of one motion
where is one motion?
wait
I see it okay
unreal nova
Believe me, I agree, but management never sees it that way.
Seems about right. It's always the people down that notices more.
wise wren
im assuming out for blood is very good though or?
versed mural
Seems about right. It's always the people down that notices more.
Exactly. “I know a guy who can do it cheaper!” Then the cheap repair lasts a week, and they bring it back in even more broken than before
unreal nova
Ehm. I mean, that cackling trapper trying to run off.
unreal nova
Exactly. “I know a guy who can do it cheaper!” Then the cheap repair lasts a wee...
Because quickfixes might make things worse to make it work now.
hollow ibex
i honestly grew to like mk2b's uppercuts more, however mk1 has its bonuses
i just really hate how slow the heavies are on both marks of the power falch. it makes no sense.
unreal nova
i just really hate how slow the heavies are on both marks of the power falch. it...
Is supposed to be more finesse than the powersword. Somehow still slow.
wise wren
alright I need to figure out how to save one more point to get bring it down
hollow ibex
alright I need to figure out how to save one more point to get bring it down
drop covering fire
wise wren
bet
hollow ibex
the buff doesn't apply to you so it's kinda shit
and you don't need tinkerer for kraks
outside of havoc
take skirmisher instead
as long asy ou have skirmisher kraks will hit the one shot crusher breakpoint
azure narwhal
i just really hate how slow the heavies are on both marks of the power falch. it...
I get it, it does feel... clunky, i mean, it's a damn power falchion
Also, maybe just go down into FT at that point
Keystoneless is still a waste
hollow ibex
yeah FT is worth picking up
unreal nova
Also, maybe just go down into FT at that point
No point, if I ping, is because I unloaded 70 shots into a bomber and it refuses to die.
Hard to ping on controller.
versed mural
Because quickfixes might make things worse to make it work now.
Agreed lol
unreal nova
But assuming it's a recon build, all three keystones still eh.
wise wren
Yeah like
unreal nova
Agreed lol
It's only fine in a survival situation tbh.
wise wren
FT is yhe only one that kinda works cause marksman is finesse strength and im on that executioner stance pack
azure narwhal
No point, if I ping, is because I unloaded 70 shots into a bomber and it refuses...
KILL that sextus minoris, 3 3 
Also damn darktide on controller
unreal nova
FT is yhe only one that kinda works cause marksman is finesse strength and im on...
Finesse does nothing for recon as well, lul. You crit mostly to save ammo.
hollow ibex
WS works on recon las too
azure narwhal
My friend whos on xbox said hed rather not
hollow ibex
if you plan on meleeing more
wise wren
Finesse does nothing for recon as well, lul. You crit mostly to save ammo.
the only real issue im having atm is I couldnt get a reload perk so my refresh towards the end of a stack is reliant on me getting my combat ability back, infernus refreshing the executioner stance and just getting a kill in that 2ish seconds after reload
unreal nova
the only real issue im having atm is I couldnt get a reload perk so my refresh t...
You can run tactical reload over one motion as a last resort.
But you went down middle so lul.
wise wren
oh I wasnt even running one motion lmao
wise wren
one motion does feel insane though ill give it that much but I think volley adept might be better for my case
unreal nova
He told me nah gonna be too cancer on controller
It is cancer. You stop moving to press it.
wise wren
tr is way easier though hold on
unreal nova
That is death on higher diffs.
azure narwhal
alright I need to figure out how to save one more point to get bring it down
This is how i'd have changed things around, but of course it is a little biased towards what i am used to as well
unreal nova
one motion does feel insane though ill give it that much but I think volley adep...
It's nice on slower pull out weapons. If you use the XII, I get it.
wise wren
This is how i'd have changed things around, but of course it is a little biased ...
id lose out on onslauight that way though
unreal nova
id lose out on onslauight that way though
You only take that to meme on malice.
azure narwhal
Very easily
unreal nova
Just shoot everything.
wise wren
You only take that to meme on malice.
Listen I like my 40% global brittleness stack
unreal nova
You would be using too much ammo otherwise.
unreal nova
Listen I like my 40% global brittleness stack
You still wasted an entire clip to kill 1-2 crushers in heresy.
azure narwhal
Listen I like my 40% global brittleness stack
It's a fun idea but sadly un-realistic, to try and play veteran as a puritan ranged class, especially as you climb up
Doesn't mean you can't get very close to it though
Just melee the occasional crusher and it'll be all the same
unreal nova
Unless you god roll crits up the wazoo.
azure narwhal
You can still dump on maulers with body shots at the end of the day
unreal nova
You can still dump on maulers with body shots at the end of the day
And plasma.
azure narwhal
Yes
wise wren
You still wasted an entire clip to kill 1-2 crushers in heresy.
takes like 60ish shots out of my 180 for a crusher without active buffs lemme try again
unreal nova
Plasma + ds
No. Plasma gunners.
unreal nova
They are maulers with delete your toughness and armour guns.
azure narwhal
Unc forgot about the new enemy for a second
I havent been seeing em nowhere near as much
Even on my havocs yesterday
unreal nova
I havent been seeing em nowhere near as much
They got properly nerfed then.
azure narwhal
🤷♂️ it is sad to see tbh, like
makes new enemy
new enemy is barely encountered
wise wren
Def easier ways but its not detrimentally bad without active buffs
wait that was missing a few perks
forgot to slot in bring it down
okay wierd its making no difference
unreal nova
🤷♂️ it is sad to see tbh, like
>makes new enemy
>new enemy is barely encounter...
More frequent than now but in much lower amounts than before is best.
wise wren
im seeing the damage increase but still taking around the same amount prolly cause of crit luck
unreal nova
Because 14+ plasma gunners is absolute bs.
azure narwhal
It's not unthinkable to pull off, especially with updated kraks, but it is again, a great expense for what you are achieving. Especially with carapace walls this will start to feel pretty bad, but if you like running it though 🤷♂️ might as well
azure narwhal
Because 14+ plasma gunners is absolute bs.
I agree, launch was pretty nuts
Every corridor was lore accurate chaos incursions
wise wren
is the rapier still bullshit broken btw?
unreal nova
I agree, launch was pretty nuts
I can understand the event, but even then lul.
azure narwhal
is the rapier still bullshit broken btw?
Duelling sword? Got better
wise wren
How
wise wren
insane till then i need recommendations on what to level
unreal nova
Heavy spam still works.
moment
unreal nova
Parry special, easy stagger. True <:fatshark:1016285431194718278> moment
You can now parry bs.
azure narwhal
insane till then i need recommendations on what to level
Combat blade, it's very addicting
Yep
unreal nova
Funniest is mortis crit stack with bonus 200% weakspot and 350% damage every 15 sec. Parried DH and it disappeared.
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insane till then i need recommendations on what to level
tax axe, combat blade
azure narwhal
Funniest is mortis crit stack with bonus 200% weakspot and 350% damage every 15 ...
Mortis buffs are so fun. Shame its popularity is often in the dumps
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idk if you have it leveled but combat axe
azure narwhal
Taxe 
unreal nova
Mortis buffs are so fun. Shame its popularity is often in the dumps
I end up duoing those cos fairly dead.
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Taxe <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
fym
taxe is great
azure narwhal
Yes
hollow ibex
wait id need the bleed perk for that to work right?
it's recommended
wise wren
nvm axe it is when im not playing a novelty recon build
azure narwhal
Yeah but id say knife in this case loses out more
And his tree is a little tight hmmm
Reload speed could be sacrificed
unreal nova
Reload speed could be sacrificed
Is gud if exe stance.
unreal nova
Unless you are sure you can chain another kill at full reload speed.
wise wren
Whats the diff between tac axe variants?
low oar
Is marksman focus plasma a good idea?
Assuming I can aim
Which is questionable sometimes
unreal nova
Whats the diff between tac axe variants?
One is good, one is bad and one is funni light spam.
From memory.
unreal nova
is the mk4 the good one?
That's the light spam one.
If I remember right.
It has cleave on lights lul.
hollow ibex
is the mk4 the good one?
VII is meta
II is like VII but kinda worse
IV is funny light spam (though generally worse than VII)
low oar
Tbh, all tac axes just feel like light spam machines
sick marsh
Met the voice of my vet today, lovely chap.
calm shard
It has cleave on lights lul.
and juicy uppercut heavy
dapper coyote
THESE FUCKERS ARE RECOVERING THE RATIONS
The common names are using unsupported alphabet ie:
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In asian servers ofc
static radish
just had a very cool mission where everyone including me did very well...shame it was heresy only
formal ice
THESE FUCKERS ARE RECOVERING THE RATIONS
The common names are using unsupported...
I think we all should recover the rations
Maybe that one Miss Lady have a way to make it eatable without cancer
safe epoch
Guys I like the shovel, but cannot decide how to build it, like which stat to dump, which mark to choose or the blessings, do you have any suggestion?
calm shard
defences is obvious dump
cole said earlier that for perks it's Unyielding/Carapace
and blessings they use Uncanny/Decimator
hollow ibex
defences is obvious dump
eh i think you'd want to dump mob on mk1 no?
safe epoch
cole said earlier that for perks it's Unyielding/Carapace
unyielding is for?
narrow frost
unarmored ogryns and bosses
but not necessary for non havoc
for most weapons
unyielding is rare
toxic reef
maybe on difficulties lower than auric
but then again I mostly just play auric maelstrom so
hollow ibex
defense is the dump on almost everything that has it
yeah, though i think mk1 is prob one of the exceptions
given how important PA spam is
rapid egret
has anyone else been having disconnect problems when they finish a match?
toxic reef
I mostly light or heavy spam so
hollow ibex
heavy spam is for hordes
lights are basically uselss
and single target is PA spam
^ mk1
safe epoch
what is PA?
narrow frost
Push Attack
hybrid plover
defense is the dump on almost everything that has it
Believe it or not
I run mob dump
Push attack is really important on mk1 actually
And it does actually help with stamina retention when you're using it.
spark helm
I like both. Generally up to the person on what they want more out of with their shovel. I do mobility dump for better staying power with stamina costs and defenses dump for better movement and dodge distances.
safe epoch
Impact is more stagger?
spark helm
I'd say mobility dump is better for a less experienced player so you can better stamina efficiency when you're just in a fight with it. Although a defense dump can help with more jittery habits.
spark helm
Guys I like the shovel, but cannot decide how to build it, like which stat to du...
Actually maybe defense dump is safer in a broader sense now that I'm thinking about it. What kind of difficulty are you hanging out in?
hybrid plover
Actually maybe defense dump is safer in a broader sense now that I'm thinking ab...
All mobility really does in this case is marginal sprint speed difference and dodge distance
Defenses for shovel actually does have a lot more value than other weapons
spark helm
All mobility really does in this case is marginal sprint speed difference and do...
Yeah but I'm obsessed with speed anyway and the dodge distance in particular I'm thinking of since if they're newer, push attacks might be less used but mobility dump is my higher preference because of what we agree on.
It is a very marginal difference that'll only matter if you're a speed cretin like me.
I love coming up with excuses to justify sprint efficiency.
Can't help it.
safe epoch
Actually maybe defense dump is safer in a broader sense now that I'm thinking ab...
mostly play damn, because I play with randos a lot
safe epoch
https://tenor.com/view/running-at-light-speed-light-speed-speed-force-running-ru...
I am speed as well
spark helm
mostly play damn, because I play with randos a lot
If it's speed demon time, take that defense dump. If not, dump mobility. You can always get another shovel yk?
safe epoch
Yeah, it's just a bit underwelhimg sometimes when I compare with zealot options of meele
damn the game is not okay for me 2 disconnects in a roll
spark helm
Well, at that point I'd have to ask about what your melee habits are. Zealot may be the melee specialist class of the game but veteran nowhere near a slouch in the melee output department. If you're willing to keep an eye out for a power sword with 60% dump in cleave...targets i believe or mobility you can secure probably the best melee option in the game (again).
safe epoch
I don't like the power sword, the new falchion though is really nice
spark helm
The only thing you'll have to get accustomed to is weaving in special attacks and making sure you can land those cleaving weakspot attacks against hordes and single target combos against bigger targets. You'll need to have power cycler as your anchoring blessing however then choose between brutal momentum and sunder.