veteran-class

[red portal]

Aquilla?

[hybrid plover]

BtL

[tall torrent]

BTL

[meager echo]

BTL + shock mine = perma stun armour pack.

[serene bough]

I never cared for shock mine until rotten armor became a thing in havoc

[meager echo]

the only thing BTL don't have is boss control, and I rather have lone wolf shock mine spams than the ability to stagger boss,

BTL is the better version of fotf

[fair shale]

I love FK Kruber 2

[tame lodge]

[hybrid plover]

They're not the same

Like at all

[fair shale]

Wdym?

They both make you go in a straight line fast.

Clearly they're the same ability.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tomas-shelby-gif-21339622

https://tenor.com/view/cillianmurphygun-cillianmurphy-jazmincoded-gif-3811002643797340103

[static radish]

lads can i get your opinion on a "sneaky" vet drip?

[hybrid plover]

Yes

[tame lodge]

If it isn't blackbian armor with infiltrator pants

[static radish]

this is what i camee up with, not the best but i like it

[tame lodge]

I don't wanna

[hybrid plover]

I mean. I wouldn't qualify it as sneaky. But I do like it.

[static radish]

i mean

i dont know what else i can do ngl

with the stuff i have

[hybrid plover]

Time to use smokes then.

And Infiltrate

[frigid shuttle]

smokes are strong

[static radish]

i do use infiltrate but with the nades

istn as good of a build as i thought tho

[frigid shuttle]

i don't feel good about infiltrate

[static radish]

what sometimes carries it is the falchion

i love that one

[frigid shuttle]

only value is clutch revives, but mehh

if team sucking so much, then deserve to lose

[hybrid plover]

Because ironically, smokes and infiltrate are kind of antisynergous with one another

[static radish]

yeah

i figured as much

[hybrid plover]

Not that they work against each other but more that having them both together don't really provide much value.

[static radish]

do need to find a better infiltrate build

just sad i cant be sneaky all the time

[hybrid plover]

Infiltrate and shredders now, that's an actually good setup.

[static radish]

yeah thats what i use

i even minmaxxed for nades

with the bistol blessing and damage aura

[unreal nova]

Havoc pants for the knoife.

[static radish]

is less threat any good? or is it just kinda useless?

[blissful stump]

Ok two questions? Did they change the bolter? I heard something about it but haven't yet touched the bolter yet so I'm not sure, and is the power falchon new?

[hybrid plover]

Yesn't.

[static radish]

explain

[hybrid plover]

It's good and bad.

[unreal nova]

Good for minigames and carrying batts...

Awful for teammates.

[static radish]

ill just use overwatch then

[hybrid plover]

You're basically not a teammate for that duration.

[unreal nova]

Unless you use it to stab everything in the back.

[static radish]

for the less threat or?

[hybrid plover]

Yeah for the less threat.

[static radish]

alright

[hybrid plover]

Essentially, it's extending your stealth for the most part.

[static radish]

and is overwatch any good?

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

Should be using it.

[static radish]

oh alright cool

[hybrid plover]

Even with the duration increase since tac awareness is percentage based.

[static radish]

oke oke

[hybrid plover]

So it technically gives tac awareness more value as well.

[unreal nova]

I do it on zealot. Use it, they ignore me... STABSTABSTAB.

[static radish]

shouldi use kraks or frags?

[hybrid plover]

That's honestly just a matter of what you feel is better for your build.

[static radish]

probably not gonna have heavy damage for armored like most my builds so

[hybrid plover]

Shredders are nice since you can underhand them in stealth and nuke a horde.

[unreal nova]

Use what you need to cover your weapons and such.

[static radish]

im gonna use the falchion

not sure about the gun tho

[frigid shuttle]

[static radish]

are braced autoguns any good?

[tough nova]

One of the most mandatory nodes in the game

[unreal nova]

I see you got gunned down.

[frigid shuttle]

hm?

No, it was up 96.5% of the match.

[unreal nova]

To have more CaB than it.

[frigid shuttle]

idk, cab tracking must be broken in uptime or something

it's 100% always, but I play hybrid vet

or well melee vet, so idk how it could be 100%

[unreal nova]

You needed to take more than 25% toughness in damage from ranged.

[unreal nova]

Oh. Lul then.

[static radish]

either braced autogun or double barrel

well if braced kraks, if double barrel then shredders

[frigid shuttle]

80% confirmed kill uptime too

[unreal nova]

Seems like a better judge of it then, lul.

[frigid shuttle]

I wish they'd make exhilarating takedown not exclusive to ranged

only 19.3% uptime

[slow spade]

Recon uses it well

But yeah most other guns are low :c

[calm shard]

ET has pretty great uptime in my experience on all guns

Click the bad man in the head

Receive toughness and damage reduction

[slow spade]

I just find I'm in melee to save ammo a lot lol

Probably just need to change habit

Or maybe swap guns

[static radish]

FUCK MAN

STILL NO AMMO PENANCE

[slow spade]

Try it with DB build

[static radish]

i did

several times

[slow spade]

Guzzles ammo and hard to miss

[static radish]

5-6 missed shots and its joever

[slow spade]

Pain

[static radish]

mhm

gotta really be careful

most of my missed shots are cuz the teammates kill the enemy im targeting

[slow spade]

In a game where I missed, I actually picked up an ammo box and started spamming again

Trying to dilute that miss

But I did it years ago

[static radish]

that is a possibility

but still

also

1 vet with survivalist and im fucked as well

[slow spade]

Yeah :c

And vets are popular again

[calm shard]

the game only checks if you have ammo when you pull your gun out btw

If you run out, and never re-equip it the penance will still complete even if you have full ammo

[spark helm]

👀 oh?

[calm shard]

's a rumor I've heard

[spark helm]

This is the one penance I don't have that I just ignore and play my best to fish for it.

[calm shard]

I can't verify myself because I got that penance ages ago

[spark helm]

Let's just look it up real quick, eh?

[static radish]

interesting

[static radish]

if you try to do the penance

take me with you

i fucking need it

[spark helm]

Oh I can't help you there lol

[static radish]

:c

[spark helm]

Zero shade but I do not do penance hunting.

I got penance nirvana

[static radish]

i just wanted it

cuz the cool armor

[spark helm]

I understand. I might change my mind.

I have free time atm n I wanted to get more sm2 in

[static radish]

then do sm2

[hallow cove]

I'm determined to use the combat shotgun, anyone know what setup works good?

[slow spade]

Agri shotgun and spam the special

[spark helm]

Whatever that mod is that lets you load in with bots solo

[slow spade]

One of the best specialist killers

[spark helm]

Maybe that'll count. I mean it's still gonna be vet bots though...hm.

Isn't there a mod that let's bots not show up?

Never understood how people were doing "true" solo runs.

[narrow frost]

2 things

[calm shard]

Zarona or Agripinaa shotguns

[hallow cove]

flak unyielding?

[spark helm]

Just try a heresy run with a revolver and see what happens. Land every shot you can.

[calm shard]

Actually there's 2 ways to build it

[narrow frost]

1 mod is true solo QoL that can disable bots

[calm shard]

Do you want to use Combat Shotgun as a backup, or your primary on an exe stance build

[narrow frost]

Or 2nd. Get the very private mod that disables bots in any gamemode

99% of people use true solo QoL

[hallow cove]

backup

[spark helm]

Does it interfere with penance?

[narrow frost]

True solo doesn't count for snything

[spark helm]

Like if I wanted to do the un

Ah

[narrow frost]

Materials or achievements

[slow spade]

I personally went Flak + Maniac because I usually melee ogryns and bosses

[narrow frost]

It's offline game

[calm shard]

Okay so You want to use the Zarona, or Accatran

[slow spade]

Unyielding can work though

[calm shard]

Put Flak+Maniacs on it with Manstopper+Flechette

Weapon Specialist keystone

[spark helm]

Mm perhaps not then. The person is trying to get "Make Every Shot Count"

[calm shard]

Zarona with special shell or Accatran normal shell will chew through hordes

Accatran combat shotgun is a sidegrade to double barrel that gets slightly more ammo, and better range at the cost of some damage

[narrow frost]

Make every shot count just lfg post can get a team

Or play pubs with no vet on the team

[spark helm]

@static radish try running that mission where the strike team has to destroy that phage tree and camp the finale until you run out of ammo.

Easy shots to make and endless spawns too.

[calm shard]

Zarona is a mid-range "precision" weapon that you should never hipfire without a special shell loaded

It has a weird stupid damage profile that gets significantly better damage when ADS

[spark helm]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f542597-bd74-4c94-8c19-695ae3b4fc01/shotgun-sniper

I forgot some of my personal changes to melee weapon choices but this one is pretty solid if you want to turn your combat shotgun into a anti-shooter death dispenser.

A lot of fun to play with too.

Shotgun solidarity

[narrow frost]

Shotgun is just a better sniper then plasma

It's very funny

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/faith-the-unholy-trinity-garcia's-shotgun-but-too-many-shells-gif-5124469400164819433

[narrow frost]

That the slug does more damage then plasma

[spark helm]

Wait I love this gif

I feel seen

Minus the priest garb

[slow spade]

Yeah if shotgun special had more cleave, I'd be an agri main

[narrow frost]

Why need cleave?

Specials often don't line up

Same for gunners

[spark helm]

You make the line up from sliding silly

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[slow spade]

Because you know that fucking bomber is hiding behind a horde

[narrow frost]

Jump

I love jumpshotting through a horde

It's very funny

[slow spade]

I just personally prefer killing everyone in the way

[spark helm]

I like sliding into a line of gunners ready to shred my soul to pieces and I just

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-instinct-weave-splits-fight-gif-23224170

bang

[slow spade]

Besides exec stance means there's no real difference in breakpoints 💪

[spark helm]

Crap, now I need to make auric/havoc ready shotgun builds for every mark on veteran

[spark helm]

It's over 🥀

[narrow frost]

This is how I deal with gunners

[slow spade]

Just make sure you always spam that special shell

[spark helm]

I don't wanna

Wait the uh

[slow spade]

Blocked and reported for disagreeing

[spark helm]

The wide line one right?

Agri?

[slow spade]

I was thinking Agri (the slug)

[spark helm]

I forgot the difference in special because I barely use them

Cuz idk what accatrans even does.

I just use it

[slow spade]

Agri is the giga-damage slug shot

Zarona is a fan wave special

Kantreal is a fire shell (big sad)

[spark helm]

Besides a super tight shot I can't tell

[signal zenith]

Any news about veteran two handed sword?

[slow spade]

They hate us

[signal zenith]

Lol

[spark helm]

Oops I said accatran

Yeah we were talking about the same thing with agri

[slow spade]

Wait I forgot the fucking rename. I think it's still Kantreal shotgun? Who knows lmao

[spark helm]

I still don't always use the special but it's the one I use the most for the shotgun families with empowered slugs.

[spark helm]

Fuck it it's agammamenon now

[slow spade]

Most specials are situational but the Agri you can safely spam without thought

[spark helm]

Too many planets and manufacturers I'm not a 40k weapons lore pervert

Lol

Caramel Carabet Mk67 Combat Kill Weapon.

Fucking WHATEVER

[slow spade]

Meanwhile my brother asked me "why do you know this" while we were playing Rogue Trader :p

[static radish]

right...

i can barely hit shotgun shots sometimes

[kind spruce]

I honestly feel like it's meant to be hard to understand, like you're just some reject why would you know any of this shit

[static radish]

you want me to try and hit revolver ones?

[spark helm]

Loose cannon is my favorite vet so I'm accidentally in character atp

Yeah track star-26

Uh..

I like how the one call sign they use is actually incorrect.

[static radish]

i do like the professional

[kind spruce]

I swapped from LC to cutthroat the other day actually

[spark helm]

Professional and Cutthroat know em. Cutthroat actually uses an even more formal diction for it by saying full single number for maximum clarity.

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/guarbie-gif-21257355

[spark helm]

Or at least that seems like a more formal way of doing it.

Idk 40k like that but I noticed the difference.

[narrow frost]

I wonder if you go frame by frame, how many milliseconds did I have to react

And how fast did I die

I have another clip

Was doing H40 psyker solos

[spark helm]

Wait I think I'm wrong here.

[narrow frost]

Mutant just slapped me

[kind spruce]

It's mostly meant to play into the massive bureaucratic incompetence of the imperium. If you notice the arbitrators have different codes for similar enemies (sextus-minorus or whatever) and it's because every planet has a different filing and naming system for threats

[spark helm]

Listening to the voice lines again

[kind spruce]

Or close enough to that, basically everywhere can be different in some regard or another, nothing is universal

[spark helm]

Yeah I'm wrong here I misremembered.

[pseudo fiber]

deadliest mutant

[kind spruce]

So they might as well not have codes at all for all the difference it makes

Xd

[spark helm]

Cutthroat says stuff like "Creeper Three-Twelve Combat Stance"

[kind spruce]

He's such a nerd I love him

When my hyperfixation is war

[spark helm]

Professional and Cutthroat the only one using those call signs between enemy callouts and some abilities with cutthroat using more call signs compared to everyone else save voice of command.

[static radish]

man

for some reason

i really dont like any vet's guns

[spark helm]

Bastion Two-Twenty Combat Stance is what the executioner's stance is iirc.

[spark helm]

Loose cannon bullies cutthroat a lot. At the very least male cutthroat. I rarely see female cutthroats.

[kind spruce]

Honestly? I find it really hard to differentiate between most of the female vets, the only one I remember is LC but the other 2 are practically interchangable

[spark helm]

Maybe female loose cannon bullies male cutthroat more idk. I have a male loose cannon but I haven't played him in a while.

[spark helm]

Most of the differences are in those extended dialogue bits.

Like the banter

[static radish]

man

is rending strikes good?

[spark helm]

Certain weapons are helped by rending strikes but it depends

[static radish]

power falchion is bassicly the main weapon

also how about hunter's resolve?

[midnight wyvern]

🫃

[static radish]

and i fr cannot find any weapon i like the feel of

[frigid shuttle]

🫂

[static radish]

?

[frigid shuttle]

ds, shovel or psword

psword with skitarius

[static radish]

bless you

cuz i have no idea of what you just said

[frigid shuttle]

Duelling Sword
Sapper Shovel
Power Sword (with Skitarius)

are melee weapons I find acceptable enjoyable on veteran

Power Falchion felt pretty bad to me.

[hybrid plover]

Depends

It works pretty good with tac axe.

[frigid shuttle]

if you need more damage against armor, it's great.

[hollow ibex]

really really depends on the weapon lol

[frigid shuttle]

that makes me want to try zarona

[hybrid plover]

My personal favs are tac axe and mk6 knife

Mk7 or mk4 tac axe depending on what flavor I want for that mission

[red portal]

If your weapon already has good carapace adm values rending is a bit less useful

[static radish]

Not a fan of the powersword and
"I don't care who the inquisition sends I am not using the dueling sword"

I like the shovel and the falchion

[frigid shuttle]

mm, well, without skitarius power sword feels terrible to me as well.

[static radish]

Tf is skitarius

[calm shard]

mod that helps make simple input macros

mostly to reduce hand strain for CERTAIN weapons like the laspistol

[static radish]

Hm

[torn gorge]

if you wanna go the strain argument you can just use the autofire mod for ranged weapons

macros is another story

[frigid shuttle]

I'm not sure what there is to argue about.

[red portal]

Some people use it to script really hard like the tax axe weapon swap.

[midnight wyvern]

[static radish]

Huh

[hybrid plover]

Ew

[meager echo]

That's some serious bs right there.

[frigid shuttle]

how much ping?

[static radish]

you got absolutely fucked ngl

[frigid shuttle]

I thought smoke was supposed to break los?

why sniper just blap me through smoke?

[hybrid plover]

Doesn't mean they won't take the shot if they were already going to.

[frigid shuttle]

I was behind the corner, smoked, went out to res and they just ignored

[tough nova]

The phantom chaos spawn grab is my least favorite.

It's becoming a feature at this point

[calm shard]

yeah chaos spawn grab hitbox is complete dogshit

[narrow frost]

refer to graph

[calm shard]

yeah this hitbox is dogshit

we don't need a graph proving it

it's already well known that it's bad

[narrow frost]

I dont have problems with it

[elder fiber]

nah its cool b/c you gotta dodge the opposite direction from vt2

[narrow frost]

when I get grabbed I know I missed my timing or got blocked by an enemy or terrarin

[narrow frost]

minor bit of trolling

cause VT Cspawn is way more dangerous too

get grabbed thats an easy down

[calm shard]

VT chaos spawn is a complete joke compared to DT's are you high

just force it to loop its slam attack for an easy kill

works anywhere on any map

can't do that to darktide chaos spawn with any consistency

[narrow frost]

the context was about the grab

and you can loop the DT Cspawn too

and have an easier dodge frame

[calm shard]

you can right up until the chaos spawn decides to stop doing the slam attack

which they can do at any time

It's theoretically possible

Not consistent

[narrow frost]

its very consistent if you know how

back against wall

thats all

[calm shard]

Yeah I do that and you know what happens

the chaos spawn does their flurry attack anyways

because it is not consistent

[narrow frost]

you need to be in front of their head then they reset and cue another attack

[calm shard]

VT2 you just stay close to them and it's 100% consistent

Here they can just decide not to loop any time

And there is no tell other than you getting hit

[short agate]

I love running lasgun and shovel but die a ton on auric. Advice is welcome I guess I don't want to annoy everyone just bc I love running a silly build.

[calm shard]

well what's your build like right now

[short agate]

the ones that work all go center or right side of tech tree. The one I enjoy most is the left side of the tree with executioners stance and most of those options for las guns and crits

it works but not if I get surprised while sniping which happens often enough to be annoying for others

[calm shard]

well that's nothing that your build can fix

I would prob build like this for auric with lasgun

[short agate]

YEEE

[calm shard]

can drop Exhilarating Takedown for anything else

[short agate]

ppl shit on it but I love running it

[calm shard]

Serrated Blade is highly recommended for shovel

heavy attacks are fast with good cleave, and it has uncanny so bleed damage really adds up into armored enemies

[short agate]

thats helpful

[calm shard]

I have no idea what perks shovel runs

But I know the recommended blessings are Uncanny Strikes (mandatory), and Decimator or Skullcrusher

[red portal]

No tac awareness are you insane?

[hybrid plover]

Nope.

Because tac awareness isn't that big of a deal with Exe Stance

[red portal]

What do you do when spawns thin out and you can't keep up exe stance anymore?

I have had problems with it in a havoc 40 how are you going to do it in a auric

[hybrid plover]

...you activate it again

[hybrid plover]

How???

[red portal]

Legit had not enough spawns in a period for like a minute to where I can't keep it up

Like I had 2 marked enemies on my screen hidden behind a wall multiple times

[hybrid plover]

There are times where I've gone several minutes without it going down.

[covert shoal]

i have now installed a mod that causes Kickstart My Heart by the Motley Crue to play whenever i activate exec stance

[red portal]

Also fun fact if you use a chain weapon with exe stance it also does not refresh if you kill beyond the second tick of damage.

[covert shoal]

we ball

[hybrid plover]

And I actually activated it by mistake when I didn't even need to.

Unless.

Are you using Counterfire?

Because I can kinda see the issue but honestly, even with Counterfire, it's pretty easy to overlap them.

[red portal]

It's just rot armour I think

You sometimes get walls of armour with no specials you can realistically kill

[hybrid plover]

Yeah that's a complete outlier.

[covert shoal]

thats fucked up

[hybrid plover]

Rot armor is not a normal thing to really account for like, a vast majority of builds

[red portal]

Still I would prob still sub born leader for something more impactful like tinkerer or grenadier

Possibly even agile engagement.

[hybrid plover]

Born Leader is very impactful on Stance.

[calm shard]

well you see after my previous 2 minutes straight in exe stance

I will have had it come off cooldown

So I press exe again

[hybrid plover]

Like genuinely top tier with that ability

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/4YlcDkG watch the Psyker's toughness here

to see why born leader is a must pick with exe stance

[covert shoal]

its so based

i kind of expected it to be bugged or something

but its fully functional

and its customizable

you can just put mp3s in some folders

it works with scrier and PBB too

[atomic void]

bro is slick with it

[sudden cedar]

It should play the Imperial Guard Theme from Dawn of War Winter Assault.

[atomic void]

gut voc more so i can see more exe stance vets

they are so comfy to play with

[covert shoal]

it works with MP3s

[sudden cedar]

True Imperial Guard Experience.

[covert shoal]

i could totally do that

[atomic void]

@narrow frost

[covert shoal]

real rifleman line hours

[atomic void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920709476724649984/1366747511905058826/caption-23.gif

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

[covert shoal]

...i wonder

HOLD ON

i'

[hollow ibex]

[tame lodge]

When you hear "Precision Fire, aye" and know that you're in good hands

https://tenor.com/view/dog-butterfly-nujabes-free-peace-gif-4672711149702215833

[sudden cedar]

A whiney angry Cadian.

[short agate]

https://tenor.com/view/krieg-warhammer40000-gif-20755773

[sudden cedar]

I'd rather go with the Professional.

[tame lodge]

Sighting, Engaging

[brittle turtle]

Best helbore variants ?

[atomic void]

they just kill all the annoying specials so u get to press W comfier

[tame lodge]

3 is all arounder
4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game
5 is fast

As a 4 enjoyer

Mk4>>>>

[brittle turtle]

also, it feels like I sometimes hit my shots but it does nothing

so annoying

revolver also has this issue

[hybrid plover]

#normalizeexestanceinhavoc

🗣️

[quiet valley]

Exec stance needs some more utility or dmg or something atm

No reason to bring it when you can push very similar numbers with Shout and MMF

it is a lot better now tho

[hybrid plover]

Enhanced Target is actually a huge amount of utility in havoc, believe it or not

Being able to give your team the means to perceive specialists before they actually become real threats is a big deal.

The main reason why Shout right now is still so desired is because of the stagger and unfortunately, burster bs giving way more value to gold toughness than it really should be.

And that's a consequence of this game's worsening sound issues.

[red portal]

Me when shout saves 3 people from eating pox bursters for dinner because of pushes being eaten

[hybrid plover]

Hell, if you're on top of your game, just you alone having it and knowing how to deal with those specialists quickly makes a huge difference.

[primal zealot]

and worsening specialist behavior

bursters were not nearly as annoying in the past

[red portal]

Trapper shooting you from 3 miles away trough like 3 columns and a box

[primal zealot]

they made them much worse when they redid the maps

[red portal]

Pox bursters sometimes leave doors stagger immune for a few seconds

[primal zealot]

theyve also increased specialist spawns significantly a few times since then

[red portal]

Can fuck you real good

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, at this point, Exe Stance make the other specialists a lot more bearable. It's the poxbursters spawning and barely giving you any actual time to deal with them I've noticed that really fuck you in Havoc at least.

And it don't help when they're also completely quiet.

[red portal]

Pox bursters making no sound hiding in a giant horde

[calm shard]

I may be failing these havoc 40 runs but hey top damage with exe vet against a rumblergryn

That's the real victory

Almost completely evenly split between blitz/melee/gun because of spamming kraks into all the fucking ROTTEN ARMOR

[hollow ibex]

Did the rumblergryn run out of ammo in the first five minutes?

[calm shard]

no

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[hybrid plover]

Ill say this. If you do have a means of golden toughness in your team.

It doesn't hurt to run exe stance.

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t hurt to run exe stance in general

[tall torrent]

Having wallhacks to see them is pretty underrated

[hybrid plover]

It's the ones that spawn and really don't even give you the time to see them before they're already making their way for the pounce. Which shouldn't even be a thing to begin with.

Janky specialist behavior basically incentivizing the use of Shout.

[sonic kayak]

Maximum usage on vent purge/lights out

[calm shard]

I've just been running naked exe stance

like this trying out laspistol and helbore

[hybrid plover]

That vent purge we did was so comfy.

[calm shard]

though in that screenshot I posted earlier I was using vraks

with just killzone instead of shocktrooper

sunder power sword

[sonic kayak]

Because of YOU

[hybrid plover]

[tall torrent]

Most spawn doors can be predicted tho

[tall torrent]

Born leader not worth tbh

[sonic kayak]

True, although it does make it easier to keep track of the annoying shit while getting surrounded, just some extra awareness

[hybrid plover]

"Most."

The ones that aren't sometimes snowballing a game really badly.

[tall torrent]

Nah spawn doors are predictable, and it’s a good idea to not camp certain spawn doors

Like the one in ascension riser event 1

That one can spawn burster out of nowhere

Or clandestium final event

But it’s smth u can learn and beat

Almost all spawn doors can be wall banged too

There’re some really funny doors that can be wall banged that u wouldn’t think they can be

[hybrid plover]

You don't even have to camp that door. I've ran exe stance, passed by that door only for a poxburster to spawn as soon as I passed and turn itself around the corner to pounce me.

With not even a moment to actually react lmao

[tall torrent]

I think after a certain playtime you’ll just develop a habit of not being close to spawn doors often

[hybrid plover]

Oh don't get me wrong. I know that door enough to not stand near. But the fact that it even went to do that at all is crazy.

[hollow ibex]

That one Medicae right next to a spawn door

[hybrid plover]

And not every player is going to have that kind of paranoia for a spawn door

[tame lodge]

We love our Torrent maps

🗣️

[hybrid plover]

Only reason I was unscathed is because I pushed it at nearly the very end of the pounce and got it just far enough.

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

No akimbo commando. This game is bad.

😭

[slow spade]

If only they had games with dual wielding to reference 😭

[hollow ibex]

Must be an engine limitation 🙂‍↕️

Simply isn’t possible

[brittle turtle]

is weight of fire good on helbore ?

[slow spade]

For the highest damage helbore, yes

[hollow ibex]

Good on Mk V too

[slow spade]

The other ones need it less but still good

[brittle turtle]

The weapon doesnt feel all that good unless you get a headshot+crit, gotta say

[hollow ibex]

It’s mostly a finesse weapon yeah

But it gets good surgical

So that helps massively

[brittle turtle]

also, no bloody scope or anything

[hollow ibex]

Scope would be a nerf given how close most engagements are tbh

[brittle turtle]

not even a sight

[tall torrent]

It gets the bad version of surgical

[hollow ibex]

Wait what

[tall torrent]

Yea

[hollow ibex]

I always thought it got good surgical 😭

[tall torrent]

Stack per 0.3s is the bad version

[hollow ibex]

Bruh

[brittle turtle]

yeah, its the slow version

[slow spade]

Bolter gets the good version c:

[brittle turtle]

vs

[steep mantle]

Any recommendations for melee veteran weapon to deal with crushers effectively? And if possible please something else than DS. I tried running Combat Axe and while its OK I find that when there is a big group of the bigguns I tend to take too long to deal with them

[hollow ibex]

Psword

[brittle turtle]

Power sword is fancy but good

gotta learn the moveset

[hollow ibex]

Safe three tap

Something like 5000 dps

Same with midchion but needs a dedicated build

[steep mantle]

Ok, which mark do you recommend? I currently have Slaughterer + Power Cycler on it

[brittle turtle]

Need momentum

[hybrid plover]

Replace Slaughterer with Sunder

[hollow ibex]

VI

And sunder is meta now yeah

[brittle turtle]

oh, did they change it ?

[steep mantle]

oooh didn't see that before - is it changed?

it seems different

great tip, looks nice

[hybrid plover]

Bromentum is good for smaller targets

[hollow ibex]

It’s just that armor spam is a bigger issue than ever

So brumentum is less useful compared to sunder

[hybrid plover]

And Sunder gives you the means to actually cleave carapace.

[steep mantle]

allright - and perks? Carapace + ?

[hybrid plover]

Unyielding

[steep mantle]

ok will try that

Thanks

[hybrid plover]

Power sword does so much damage that you're just better off getting dps on the bigger targets.

If not power sword

Combat Knife is also really good for crushers.

Mk6 particularly.

[brittle turtle]

issue with combat knife is that it does better on backstabs

but you want to stay on the side of your team

[hybrid plover]

Still does immense carapace damage with Cara perk and uncanny facefirst

The backstab damage is just a bonus.

[tough nova]

Uncanny mercykiller is cracked vs crushers

[hybrid plover]

Or uncanny flesh with serrated

[steep mantle]

also I am trying for a support build with Focus Target! but so far builds in the web don't take Target Down!, any reason? It seems like a nice way to keep everyone topped on toughness

[brittle turtle]

Poor Heavy sword

coolest moveset, not a single blessing against armor

[tough nova]

It does have a rending blessing. It's just bad.

[brittle turtle]

not all blessings are created equal

some are more equals than others

[tough nova]

Rending on cleave but the targets you need rending for you can't cleave through. Help fatshark.

[tame lodge]

So you go the madman route

Perfect Strike Bladed Momentum Hsword

[brittle turtle]

They expect us to take 5 swings into a horde for an amazing 2.5 SECONDS of 50% rending

[tough nova]

Heavy sword needs fotf to be good

[steep mantle]

can you elaborate? I hopped into meet grinder and get only about 1500 DPS on Crusher when using the special + heavy attacks

[brittle turtle]

its really a shame too, cause killing 3 ragers with a single strike feels so fucking good

its like a vermintide weapon thrown into the game

[mortal aspen]

a more elegant weapon, from a better time

[tame lodge]

That's the neat part
You don't use heavies

Try push attack light light

[steep mantle]

OOOOH

[brittle turtle]

but why use sunder, then

[tame lodge]

Because sunder applies to lights

Not the extra damage part, that one is for heavies

[brittle turtle]

idk, the wording seems specific

[hollow ibex]

The valuable part of sunder is the cleave actually

Not the bonus damage

[mortal aspen]

it says energised attacks, not heavy energised attacks

[steep mantle]

thanks for all the tips, the combo is quite difficult so will take practice but man it hits hard

[mortal aspen]

🤓

[tame lodge]

It's a Fatshark tooltip

They are often misleading

[mortal aspen]

pushattacks count as light?

[brittle turtle]

my favorite of them all

absolute lie

[tall torrent]

No

[tame lodge]

My favorite is optimized cooling

Also on the plasma gun

[mortal aspen]

fatshark doesn't understand what "up to" means

[tall torrent]

Push attack also is not heavy atk

[brittle turtle]

Numbers ? Nah, go fuck yourself

[tall torrent]

This is not how it works at all btw

[tame lodge]

It doesn't even say how it stacks

😭

"Continuous shots grant stacks (up to 5). Per stack, reduces the amount of overheat generated (see values below) per shot or while charging shots."

Peak Fatshark right there

[steep mantle]

when playing with power sword and doing the push attack + light + light combo - should I run with + stamina curio?

[calm shard]

okay actually got a havoc 40 victory time to ignore this game mode forever until it resets to 30 again and I cry

[tall torrent]

Stamina curio good for every class besides ogryn

[tall torrent]

Got damage mogged by a glug

[brittle turtle]

Zealot getting nerfed when all they have is the thunder hammer

hilarious

[calm shard]

hey look just because I can't summon infinite cleave grenades from the warp like glug can

I out damaged the inferno psyker and that's all I need to maintain my ego

[tall torrent]

Tbh rumbler glug would be less obnoxious if they had half their reserve ammo

[brittle turtle]

it would kill the weapon, lol

you cant remove half a weapon's ammo like that

[tall torrent]

It’d be fine

[calm shard]

It's the Rumbler it'd live

[brittle turtle]

just nerf its blessings

[tall torrent]

I think its blessings are ok tbh

Or

Reduce its damage outside blast center massively

[calm shard]

replace its ammo with krak grenades

[tame lodge]

In fact buff the blessings

Some of them might not even exist

[primal zealot]

path again coming in hot with the worst takes of all time

[tall torrent]

Wat

[primal zealot]

rumbler dmg is mid at best

[tall torrent]

I think rumbler actually pretty cool

It’s perfectly fine in a melee build context

[primal zealot]

the only thing it one shots is reapers and trash

[tall torrent]

It’s just a bit ridiculous with glug + PBB

[primal zealot]

barely does anything to rotten crushers

like 5-6 shots to kill a crusher with a 27 ammo gun is not op

at all

[tall torrent]

I kinda don’t get the necessity to judge ranged weapons based on their ability to kill crushers

[primal zealot]

yea ok fair

but it doesnt rly kill much

its like a worse trauma

[stable socket]

i don't think any gun does anything to rotten crushers, the 75% ranged DR is too much

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/turn-fish-gif-2661450688707713913

Oh you mean

They guys with ranged resistance

Actually resists ranged

[calm shard]

Helby IV can touch them

[quiet valley]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs4-snake-bait-old-snake-mgs-bait-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-16665329923744849402

[primal zealot]

it doesnt do much to regular crushers either

all im getting at is the power of rumbler is grossly overstated

[calm shard]

anyways here's gun vet deleting a havoc 40 pogryn from reality

[stable socket]

i believe it, doing 1/4 dps is not great but helbore 4 is pretty strong

[static radish]

Alright

I wanna fucking use the las gun

But it feels so bad to shoot man

[calm shard]

which one there are several

[static radish]

The rifle

Not the helbore

[calm shard]

the recon rifle or infantry

[silent field]

Las is good to go. The skill tree basically begs you to use it, lol

[silent field]

Recon gets my vote

[calm shard]

this isn't a vote

[calm shard]

Mk VII infantry lasgun is significantly more comfortable to use

[static radish]

The one you start with

[hybrid plover]

You can believe whatever you want, metaman.

[static radish]

Infantry, had to check

[azure narwhal]

hold that pose heretic

[calm shard]

Yeah

[static radish]

The gun feels so bad to shoot man like wtf

[calm shard]

IIb is the best one but it's fucking AWFUL to use

Mk VII and Mk IX feel much better

[static radish]

What mk do you feel is best?

[calm shard]

IIb

But I don't use it because it's basically just "what if the laspistol was worse"

[static radish]

Best feeling sorry

[calm shard]

Oh uh

I use Mk VII if I ever use infantry las

Which I do not do frequently because I am a helbore addict

[static radish]

Not the best, best as in, the one who feels the best to use

[static radish]

Fair nuff

[calm shard]

also just noticed watching this again that I hit the Plague ogryn for 20K in a single shot

So Helby IV could theoretically 4 shot a havoc 40 pogryn

[static radish]

GOOD

[kind spruce]

I should give it a try

[vestal olive]

Dang I missed the "complain about FS lack of communication on how anything works" therapy session

[faint beacon]

Eh I’ll admit it’s fun using I just prefer to reliability of Helbore nuking what I hit

Or volume of fire of the recon

Anyways that’s where you’re wrong my bets on Colum III Vigil

[brittle turtle]

Holy crap helbore feels so much better with a sight

like, it feels like a completely different weapon

[void dragon]

the ability to aim with it is a world of difference

[brittle turtle]

When the sniper weapon doesnt have a scope/sight

[static radish]

wait

[static radish]

thats the best feeling one? thats actually the one i hate (i dont have the IIb tho

lore acurate vet i guess

[hollow ibex]

You could just swap your VII into a II

[calm shard]

it's all downhill from there

[static radish]

oh i know why i hate it

its semi auto

forget it

i just hate semi auto guns

[calm shard]

use graia vigilant autogun to verify

[static radish]

verify what..? sorry im confused

[calm shard]

that you hate semi auto guns

because the graia vigilant autogun is very good

and the infantry lasguns are mid

[hollow ibex]

Sucks against maulers crushers and bosses though

[calm shard]

2 shot bodyshots maulers

It USED to be able to 1 shot bodyshot them before the ADM changes

1.40 flak ADM will do that

[hollow ibex]

Ok crushers and bosses

[calm shard]

why are you shooting crushers

[static radish]

oh no i just hate getting handstrain from always clicking

[hollow ibex]

I would like the option to

[hollow ibex]

Try skitarius or full auto mod

[calm shard]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/87

[hollow ibex]

Save your fingers lol

[static radish]

oh shit

thank you

oh yeah

much much better

[safe jacinth]

what perks should i put on my recon las

[oak pagoda]

infernus dumdum

[safe jacinth]

perks not blessings, I already got dummdum+infernus

[oak pagoda]

lol my b

[safe jacinth]

is oki

[oak pagoda]

I just run 5% crit and flak

[hollow ibex]

Yeah crit and flak/unyielding are your best bet

[safe jacinth]

thanks

[static radish]

alright welp

now the lasgun was fun

i was now years old when i discovered marksman focus works with melee

you cant get stacks

BUT

you can refresh em

[toxic reef]

yeah it's a lot easier to do it as well when they don't decay when moving

[static radish]

what

theres something for that?

[toxic reef]

that was pre-patch

in the old tree

[static radish]

oh ok

[hollow ibex]

lol that was actually so ass

Crab walking simulator

[toxic reef]

the play was just to hit as many headshots as you could to be able to move

[faint beacon]

Nu-Vets will never understand crab veteran

[frigid shuttle]

My kingdom for a laser shotgun.

[void dragon]

does it even exist a lasshotgun?

[frigid shuttle]

Mitralocks yes

Mechanicus fields them

Necromunda also has suppression lasers.

[spark helm]

crab vet wasn't that bad. Silly though.

Crab vet in the middle of a push.

https://tenor.com/view/crab-crab-walk-counter-strike-gif-11939712

[tepid otter]

Crab vet?

[tepid panther]

What's the difference between the marks on the power falchion?

[frigid shuttle]

moveset

[hollow ibex]

(And I is better)

[tribal owl]

can someone hook me up w a vet build pls?

[tepid otter]

Here's mine about a Bolter + Rashad set up

[hybrid plover]

Executioner's standers rise up 🗣️ 🔥

[wild vortex]

is it a bad idea to use Headhunter instead of Infernus on Recon Las?

[hybrid plover]

Yes

Because headhunter is not that good on recon.

[wild vortex]

why?

[willow prairie]

chain crit

• infernus is a lot of damage

[junior grail]

How's brauto in the current meta?

[wild vortex]

hmmm

I use the slowest recon las

because I like the per shot damage

is it still Infernus with that?

[hybrid plover]

You will always cap out at 25% crit.

On a weapon that doesn't have great finesse, that doesn't mean much.

Probably better off with dumdum deathspitter

[hollow ibex]

Niche and best used on ES vet

Still fun though

[steel veldt]

I shoot them with a bolt pistol sometimes

[calm shard]

bad

[junior grail]

Better or worse than ShredderPistol?

[calm shard]

direct downgrade in any way you can imagine

like straight up shredder autopistol is the same gun with better stats all around

[hollow ibex]

Still good in auric with exec stance though

And you have great ammo economy

[low oar]

It has a use
Suppressing
Which isn't that useful until like havoc 40

[calm shard]

you have a lot of ammo but I wouldn't say great ammo economy with its abysmal time to kill and poor damage

[low oar]

But I wouldn't use a braced auto gun on havoc on vet since vet has way better ranged options

[calm shard]

including way better options that have suppression!

Like the Bolter!

[low oar]

It's more of a zealot thing to just suppress while closing the distance

[hollow ibex]

Ehhh the damage is ok on agri

Especially because cleave

Graia just gets a silly amount of ammo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1421361883591741461/100ABE1.MP4?ex=68fa6028&is=68f90ea8&hm=5413ab955245f51573691885f5f5637307868f387b6bd9337e85528876feb394&

The only real issue is when the team is too braindead to deal with snipers that are in hard spots

[shy raft]

MASSES DEMANDS HELLGUN

[hybrid plover]

this is west coast, isn't it

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

How do you know

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[hybrid plover]

I've seen that ogryn so many times

...He blew up poxbursters next to me with a rumbler the last time we played...

[hollow ibex]

Oh lol

Yeah seen him a few times

Idr anything egregious

He was just a typical pubby for me

[tepid panther]

Which blessings are the go to on the power falchion?

[tepid otter]

Cranial and Wrath seems popular

[tepid panther]

Heatsink not worth it?

[tepid otter]

I manage fine without it, dunno about others

[tame lodge]

Forgotten

🫡

[tame lodge]

It gets value if you overheat

You don't want to do that

I personally recommend Cranial Leakage

[tepid otter]

I wonder why Leakage doesn't show up in gameslantern as a Blessing

[hollow ibex]

It’s a good option

[hollow ibex]

Pussy

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[tame lodge]

Energy Leakage

[tepid otter]

am just blind seems like lmao

swear that wasn't there like a few weeks ago

Is strength > cleave on a melee, or it just depends

[tame lodge]

Strength is 3 in 1

So yeah

Damage, cleave and stagger

[tepid otter]

Ooh, lemme switch that up real quick lmao

How does Strength work on a ranged weap tho, the same way?

[hollow ibex]

Same way yeah

[small mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/706686102400139347/1430749073509580810/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-10-22_10-44-51_PM_1.mp4?ex=68fae869&is=68f996e9&hm=fc97ed1f2ab4e5fd9de958aa672ef0a0e5969c38c557fe083c32f2154ac72316&

its high noon

[tepid otter]

deadeye activated

[pulsar zephyr]

What even is happening in this clip

This is the clip of all time

[austere mica]

100% crit and Deathdealer

[pulsar zephyr]

I'm talking the non reloading

Bro is mag dumping with a revolver

[austere mica]

Yeah

100% crit and Deathdealer does that

[pulsar zephyr]

Is like a mortis perk?

[austere mica]

archetype or whatever but yeah

[tepid otter]

Mortis

I've never been able to queue into one because it feels like not a lot of people play it in my region so I've never tried it

[hollow ibex]

It’s fun for three games

[steel veldt]

ughhhh

[wild vortex]

this is like the best event for this penance

[steel veldt]

really?

[small mason]

https://cdn.jacher.io/8c40b7fbb94beee7.mp4

[hollow ibex]

lol this one is so easy now with how good kraks have become

[steel veldt]

Just annoying

[wild vortex]

yes. Crusher spam in every mission

[steel veldt]

I get like 20 a game at most

[wild vortex]

chuck kraks at them

[red portal]

You can run bolt pistol with the blessing that increases blast radius to make it a bit quicker

[dapper coyote]

Also i would like to ask one thing.

How did i managed to get 6 nades?

6 kraks

In one go

[tepid otter]

Like you've got 6 nades on you?

[dapper coyote]

Yes

[fresh dome]

Pretty good at taking out targets?

[dapper coyote]

I don't know how, or why i have 6 nades, but hey, that's 6 kraks to be showered upon them crushers or bosses

[umbral scaffold]

Ok veterans. What guns do you all feel are best? And let’s leave plasma out of it, since everyone knows its meta.

[dapper coyote]

You could have fun with all combat shotguns, green reccy lasguns, DB and IAG blue

[fresh dome]

I'm running Vigilant rifle since the buffs it is disgusting to take out long range targets

[hollow ibex]

Prob maelstrom enhanced blitz modifier

Gives more nades

[dapper coyote]

Hmmm, it is during maelstrom mission

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that’s it then

[dapper coyote]

Ah i see

[umbral scaffold]

I use recon myself, it’s my go to! Double barrel I’ve tired but never found it to be to my liking.

I’ve used brauto with success as well. That gun just spits ammo. I actually ran it on stealth to get behind enemy gun lines to kill everything. Works amazing

[dapper coyote]

Also bolt pistols increases blast radius of grenades?

From what i heard

[hollow ibex]

With lethal prox blessing yeah

The one thing Bistol is good for

[umbral scaffold]

Hell I’ve been tempted to take the bistol for lethal prox just to see how good it is on grenades. I know on shredders it’s supposed to be insanely good

[dapper coyote]

🅱️ ISTOL??? HAHAHAHAHAHA

[hollow ibex]

Yeah the buff is amazing. The gun kinda sucks though

[tepid otter]

Real

As a grenade vet tho its pretty neato with WS

[umbral scaffold]

Only time I’ve ever used it is on thammer zealot with run and gun to soften targets and gain speed to get into melee

And even then, FotF will get you there faster anyway.

[void dragon]

Bistol with Crusher makes sense, but i dont thin i would run it with Thammer

that being said, at least for zealot the knifes being infused with bleed is nice bonus for the Bistol

[willow prairie]

I wonder if i should start a new dos2 playthrough

my old saves is like long ass time ago in act 2 or 3

I don't remember shit

[tepid otter]

dos2?

[teal imp]

What in the name of The Emperor is that build, guardsman? I need it.

[red portal]

Divinity original sin 2

[small mason]

its from the emporer's favored effect from mortis trials

that and crucian roulette on fanning revolver and all the crit bonuses I could stack

this would probably work just as well or better on zealot or psyker

[red portal]

Psyker can make very good use of it on electro staff

But you will have worse boss dmg

[dusty sapphire]

Did they ever buff vets other abilities to make them worth using over VoC

[vestal olive]

not really

[steel veldt]

Does throwing kraks at scab troopers/shotgunners and stuff like that count for the pance

penace

[teal imp]

If the grenade latches on and kills it should.

[steel veldt]

Thanks

[dusty sapphire]

Why did they just give ogryn a better version of ES?

I mean come on at least give reload on ability activation

[hybrid plover]

Yes

Exe stance is actually considerably better now.

[dusty sapphire]

How so

[hybrid plover]

Constant toughness regen, TBTA now has a buff to the actual abilities uptime, making it more consistent, and stun immunity.

[dusty sapphire]

It still seems worse than VoC

But i guess i gotta try it out

They appear to have nerfed tactical awareness

I haven't played vet in a while

[hybrid plover]

Yes. Which is why it's actually not as clear cut anymore as VoC being outright better.

Especially since VoC also got nerfed recently.

[dusty sapphire]

How

Seems like the same as it was before

[hybrid plover]

Golden now only last ten seconds.

Not fifteen.

[dusty sapphire]

Dare i say negligible nerf

[hybrid plover]

It's not enough. But it isn't negligible either.

[dusty sapphire]

I think its fine for VoC to be great

[hybrid plover]

It's not nearly as spammable as it used to be.

[dusty sapphire]

Just make the other abilities better

[meager echo]

It's a big nerf in my opinion. But since how much gold impact the one shot mechanic it's still the best ability to take defensive wise.

Unless gold is remove from the game, it's still the most impactful buff you can bring for the team. Else just take arbis + 1 bubble and perma stun everything.
People act like gold is the only broken tool to cheese the game .

Without gold, arbi will be the new god. With 12sec cooldown aoe stun from BTL, 15sec aoe stun from shockmine that can regen every minute. Why bother playing other stuff ? Nerf gold is the braindead take.

[void dragon]

pìss tougness being more CD restricted is good imo, you want to have it as a tool to push a desperated fight, not as perma blanket of safety

wich Smite its really at fault, even more than the arby mines

[dusty sapphire]

ES still just doesn't feel very good imo

[meager echo]

ES is very good, but only for you.

ES is better than gold but it's only apply on vet.

No one in the team need you for that.

[dusty sapphire]

Just seems like a worse PBB

[meager echo]

The only reasonable argument is ES wall hack enable vet to be more effective at killing special, which is always a plus.

[tall torrent]

It’s not negligible when 33% of its duration got cut

I was expecting nerf to 8s tbh

They held back and made it 10s

[dusty sapphire]

I just can't say i've noticed it

[tall torrent]

10s is still a lot

[dusty sapphire]

After using ES i think my issue is that i can't seem to find a situation where i'm like "man i really wish i had ES here"

[meager echo]

If you fight ragers, you will notice big different

especially while using ps6

[dusty sapphire]

Can't say i've had an issue with them

Perhaps its one of those things thats only really good for havocs

Unfortunately i haven't got a havoc team

[hollow ibex]

nah i really like ES in aurics too

i mean what else are you going to use

VOC is pretty much a defensive talent

[meager echo]

I only play pubs, so my view is from the casual side of the argument.

[hollow ibex]

infil is a meme, even if it's funny

[vestal olive]

protect the garbage

[hollow ibex]

ES is a long-uptime talent that offers a lot of damage and survivability

[hollow ibex]

not my problem

[vestal olive]

see i power trip on keeping malice gamers alive in auric

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean auric is fun because of pubs

[dusty sapphire]

Its also got the best lines

[hollow ibex]

i don't ever play with premades because auric would be boring otherwise

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[dusty sapphire]

I suppose i could definitely see good use for ES in missions where there's tons of specials and elites

But i still think an auto reload on activation would be phenomenally fun

[stiff glacier]

Es with shotgun is great fun

[dusty sapphire]

I do admit that it does do pretty good boss damage

I saw that marksmans focus got changed to i made a build with that, ES, and a recon lasgun

[wild vortex]

is there any reason to pick 1 mark of recon lasgun over another?

or is it just dealer's choice

[dusty sapphire]

Well they all have different damage numbers and rates of fire

And ammo

[wild vortex]

yeah naturally, but is one mark strictly "better" than the others?

[dusty sapphire]

Not sure which one is considered "meta" but i use the XIV

The slow firing one

[tame lodge]

Vic

[wild vortex]

thank you

was testing out VIc anyway

[tame lodge]

12 shoots too much

14 uses too much ammo

[hollow ibex]

14's really only good with deadshot

[dusty sapphire]

I hate 12 because while its fun to fire, it really burns through ammo

[void dragon]

does it change for classes like the psyker? or Vic is still good on them?

[dusty sapphire]

Its also really bad with deadshot

[hollow ibex]

3 stam curio XII deadshot builds 🔥

[dry cloak]

Mk 12 recon is the only lasgub you can run out of ammo on crit build

[dusty sapphire]

Is this the new meta or what

[hollow ibex]

no it's a meme

[dusty sapphire]

I'm trying an infinite lasgun crit build but i need more crit

Will consider slotting some crit on the gun

[wild vortex]

yeah I had that happen once or twice

[tribal dawn]

So as someone who used to love using the Helbore for sniping, does it still serve a purpose when the plasma rifle exists?

Or does the plas rifle completely overshadow it.

[dusty sapphire]

Pretty sure plas is gonna overshadow it

But you use what you want

[tribal dawn]

I usually do, but I was just wondering. Not one to use "meta" builds. I like having fun lol

[hollow ibex]

nah

first of all they're very different guns

second of all helbore is meta rn