veteran-class

[cunning haven]

carpal tunnel? umm, you should probably adjust your setup to prevent that. performance not worth permanent injury

[hollow ibex]

I made do with Rashad for so long

[sharp epoch]

Isn't rashad even worse cause it's just the same left click over and over

[frigid shuttle]

rashad you could easily macro before skitarius tho

[tame lodge]

Light spam weapons 💀

[frigid shuttle]

logitech g502 carried my hand through vt2 slayer and shade

[sharp epoch]

I used to use g502 but swapped to the g pro cause its lighter

[frigid shuttle]

I went superlight -> mchose l7

[vestal olive]

with power sword, should most of my swings be empowered or naw

[frigid shuttle]

all of them, basically

[sharp epoch]

They look very similar but a lot cheaper

[frigid shuttle]

yes, I was looking to upgrade from superlight because of the scrollwheel issue

[tame lodge]

All of them

It's the difference between heretic killer 40k vs balloon sword

[frigid shuttle]

thought about getting superlight2, but aliexpress had l7 ultra for 45€ shipped, which is 1/3rd the price of a superlight 2 is

[sharp epoch]

I remember back in the early days this one guy would argue that uncharged ps was some godlike thing

[vestal olive]

How should I re-power the sword? Like, just a dodge while i empower? shove empower? both?

[steel veldt]

Got smoke screen

[ocean forge]

I'm trying to look for a set of builds with the most unique and lore accurate weapons loadouts as possible for all classes, meaning I want as few repeat weapons as possible.

I don't mind repeating abilities in the ability tree I just want as unique weapon loadouts/combinations as possible.

[steel veldt]

now I only need 300 more armoured killed with kraks

[sharp epoch]

Usually push then enpower

[vestal olive]

I love my kraks

[frigid shuttle]

does grenade tinkerer hit any breakpoints for frag/krak?

[sharp epoch]

aliexpress can have some stinkers though

[slow spade]

Krak gets the crusher bp without further boosts (other talents can hit it too)

Frags idk but probably just due to bigger AOE

[frigid shuttle]

sure, but I only order items that are in Ali's "choice" program, means if there's any issues, Ali will refund you 99% of the time.

[sharp epoch]

that makes sense ive never shopped on there personally

[frigid shuttle]

but yeah, they're really undercutting the 'major' players, since the components are all the same/better than in 'mainstream' companies.

ie. logitech/razer/etc

only issue is if you work in any kind of government/defense related sector, I wouldn't risk buying anything chinese.

[buoyant aurora]

Frag doesn't get any but that AOE gets ridiculous, just toss one in the middle of psykhanium and watch 50% of enemies there bleed like crazy

[steel veldt]

So for the krak penace what counts as armoured

[slow spade]

Grenade tinkerer is just a good talent

[tame lodge]

Anything grey iirc

[steel veldt]

got it

[slow spade]

Carapace in my experience

[tame lodge]

We do recommend sticking it to Scab Bruisers

[slow spade]

Flak seems to work too but its been a year lmao

[steel veldt]

I shall throw at shotgunners

[sharp epoch]

flak and carapace

take bolt pistol with the increased explosion aoe blessing

[slow spade]

The new event adds ogryn waves if you destroy rations

You know what to do

[buoyant aurora]

It's very good, for me it's a must have in all builds

[steel veldt]

based pfp shaggy

[hollow ibex]

I used it with macros too

Keep swinging I think it was called

[buoyant aurora]

Oh thanks-
I'd say it was blessed by Emperor but then I'd probably get executed

[slow spade]

Agreed, only kraks I don't take and use other boosts instead

[steel veldt]

Oh no it was blessed by the Emperor

Unless it's AI

then not blessed by the Emperor

[buoyant aurora]

If it was AI then could it be blessed by Hadron? 🤔

[buoyant aurora]

And yeaaah, they dont really need the upgrade til you play havoc and get the pox armor crushers

[slow spade]

The Abominable Intelligence is to be abhorred UwU

[slow spade]

Pain :c

[steel veldt]

They hate AI

[vapid void]

minmaxing the quickdraw revolver fan the hammer variant

do i actually need the extra clip size

its funny but id be better off with just reload speed i think

[hollow ibex]

7 rounds

[cobalt sparrow]

WHAT'

oops

[vapid void]

+2 yeah

[cobalt sparrow]

what's the weird dumpstat line for plasma gun again?

[vapid void]

charge speed

you never charge it

only left mouse

[cobalt sparrow]

kk, ty

[hybrid plover]

71 -72 charge

68 - 69 thermal

Make sure when you get something that looks close to that, go to the psykanium and see if it shoots 8 times before overheating

If it does, that's the perfect roll.

[cobalt sparrow]

awesome, thanks a bunch

[vapid void]

flak or carapace for quickdraw revolver?

[cobalt sparrow]

and talents im assuming are just the build ™ ?

[narrow frost]

charge speed affects left click

you want 71 charge 69 thermal

[hollow ibex]

Unyielding and then prob flak

[vapid void]

which ones are unyielding again?

the ogryns right?

[slow spade]

And most bosses

[vapid void]

should i take the 10% rending node or the 25 toughness node

[slow spade]

If your toughness is 180 without 25 I would take rending (depends on weapons too)

[vapid void]

im using quickdraw stub revolver

with handcannon blessing for 60% rend

idk if rend is better or worse the more you have

[slow spade]

It affects melee too

[vapid void]

would depend on armor math

[vapid void]

dueling sword mk 4

[narrow frost]

bosses bar captain and unarmored ogryns

[slow spade]

Ah probably don't need remding then

[pulsar zephyr]

Anyone have a melee focused build?

Im running chainsword, the shove swipe variant

But may swap for the chain axe

[azure narwhal]

Your best bet for having a good melee time with vet is voc and fighting in tangent with WS

A bit more like a hybrid, but it'll work best for melee

[pulsar zephyr]

What's ws?

[hybrid plover]

Weapon specialist

[azure narwhal]

Weapon specialist

[buoyant aurora]

Bottom right keystone

[azure narwhal]

Truly the keystone of all time

[pulsar zephyr]

Okay fursure thanks!

[hybrid plover]

Also that's not entirely the case. Focus Target can put in work on melee builds too.

[buoyant aurora]

And make sure you get these sweet Melee dmg +% nodes

and bleed :D

[hybrid plover]

Cuz 10% extra damage on marked kill does make a difference.

Like tac axe.

[steel veldt]

krak penacei s so stupid ughhh

[hybrid plover]

Tac axe loves that.

[azure narwhal]

True but FT is eh compared go WS's sustain imo, not to mention many weapons could use the att speed

New power falch certainly could...

💀

[hybrid plover]

Power falch is just mid

[azure narwhal]

Its still fun

Since well

It is a pretty textbook melee for vets

[azure narwhal]

Want entire tree btw?

[buoyant aurora]

Agreed, doesn't have to be powerful but it is very fun to use

[pulsar zephyr]

Would be beneficial, if you could shoot it would help

[azure narwhal]

Making

[hollow ibex]

If only attack speed could save midchion

[azure narwhal]

Yeah it can only be helped so much but its vet so

Eh

Its like evisc with zealot

[hybrid plover]

Also.

[azure narwhal]

Evisc certaintly struggles, but its zealot

[hybrid plover]

Melee exe stance goes hard.

I will spout this propaganda til the end of time 🗣️

[vapid void]

at 15 stacks of marksmans focus you have 112.5% finesse strength

is that just doubling headshot damage?

[hollow ibex]

Finesse is also crit

[vapid void]

so the math is plain, 112.5% is just 112.5% more damage?

on both crit and headshots, how does that stack?
10 damage becomes 20 to the head, it crits so it becomes 40? or 30?

[azure narwhal]

Just remember to shoot something every 10ish second mid fights and ur good

If stuff gets bad shout

If u get walled in by carapace just chuck cracks

Is shrimple

[vapid void]

is this worth grabbing?

[hollow ibex]

The modifier is only to the crit and or weakspot damage

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s pretty good

[vapid void]

so it'll make incoming toughness 60% increased at max stacks is what i understand it as

crit build for the revolver

[pulsar zephyr]

Thank you!

I love to grind the assassination missions so I'm hoping this adds to the the already insane kill time I manage on these Bois

I love fighting captain enemies and the twins

But if I could do the same damage to them as I do monstrosities I'd be fine in that middle ground

Those bubble don't do shit for those guys 😭 it's just a sponge

[frigid shuttle]

17 round combat shotgun

[covert shoal]

simply amazing

i run this

its funny

[covert shoal]

the void shield takes massively increased melee damage

and halved ranged damage

iirc

bonking it with whatever the highest DPS combo of your melee is

might improve your TTK somewhat

[hybrid plover]

The Build ™

[pulsar zephyr]

The build

Is it bad the only weapons I like are shovel and chain sword on vet???

Everything else feels clanky

Maybe it's a skill issue but they feel soooo fluid

[mortal aspen]

if you don't like Taxe it's 100% a skissue

[hollow ibex]

I love taxes

Wait

[mellow sable]

Is falter and no respite any good together?

It seems like it would be but I'm guessing falter sucks?

[hollow ibex]

On what?🤔

[mellow sable]

Just like any gun at all, I'm fooling around looking for stupid and fun stuff

[hollow ibex]

Idr if any guns get falter and no respite together

[mellow sable]

Vigilant auto, infantry las

[hollow ibex]

Prob not worth on any of those

They’re not exactly stagger power houses

And have better options

[pulsar zephyr]

How viable can the bayonet attack be

[mellow sable]

Deathspitter dumdum and fire frenzy?

[hybrid plover]

Try knife or tac axe

Tac axe my favorite

And it's also the one weapon that doesn't really need trench fighter so it's efficient on your skill tree.

[frigid shuttle]

duelling sword is also fluid

[calm shard]

I dunno fatshark nerfed it a few times in recent memory

[calm shard]

have you considered using a shotgun

[sick marsh]

how's the drip?

[vestal olive]

whats trench fighter?

[hybrid plover]

10% melee attack speed node

[vestal olive]

best node

[wild vortex]

slowly getting better at shooty vet

Also realized that chword with Bloodletter does some extremely respectable boss damage

[random tulip]

Meh, seen harder

[tame lodge]

Plenty actually

They have some of the best damage and stagger

But poor damage distribution

So don't expect it to clear hordes

[tame lodge]

With only skirmisher up you can 2 shot dreg Ragers

The alternative is maniacs or something

Yup

Maniacs

[red portal]

I think the mark 3 in non havocs has a 2 hit breakpoint for headshot bayo stab on mutants

[sick marsh]

ok how do I build the power falchion?

[frigid shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[hollow ibex]

I do flak Cara

And then cranial and heatsink or leakage

[hybrid plover]

That one point in time where veterans would use helbore solely for the bayonet.

I miss that.

[spark helm]

Sirosky mentioned one of the possible setups. The cranial grounding blessing is honestly the anchoring blessing you wanna make sure you give yourself access to.

While I haven't played with energy leakage personally, Heatsink is broadly a strong choice that helps with your uptime management of your heat meter for the weapon. It's up you whether or not you want something like that compared to the damage boost energy leakage has.

Wrath is also fine but I personally prefer heatsink when I think about my experience with the weapon.

[cosmic aurora]

I like the las pistol. I’ve started using it with a power sword

[spark helm]

Laspistol is fun. Got even better on veteran now that the left side got some much needed love.

[sick marsh]

dump stat mobility?

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[sick marsh]

gotcha

[calm shard]

p sure heatsink actually only gives you a fraction of its value outside of overheat

or something to that effect

I know it has something wrong with it that it doesn't say on the tooltip but checking #zealot-class rn to see what exactly

Right

It only applies 25% of its value when your weapon is Not overheated

[hollow ibex]

Yeah you want to overheat

[calm shard]

cringe

[spark helm]

Ah. Misunderstood

[blissful stump]

Yooo, it’s been a few months since I last played, when did they finally get around to actually updating the skill tree? And are the bolt pistol and power sword nerfed and are any of the perks nerfed significantly?

[hollow ibex]

Bistol is mostly a stat stick

Psword remains the best melee weapon in the game

Esp now that vet isn’t dogshit

The new tree came out a few weeks ago

So really recent

[blissful stump]

Nerf? Or just not a fan of the weapon?

[hollow ibex]

No nerf. It’s just a breakpoint weapon that’s really annoying to build breakpoints for

[blissful stump]

ah so same old same old

welp, it seems i need to bs together a build, and see how much i fuck up lol

[hollow ibex]

Harder to fuck up a vet build now fwiw though tree still needs help

[blissful stump]

iv done some real stupid stupid before and havent played in a hot min so its possible lmao

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a02bbc6f-68ff-4280-9cc4-54d1633e0e79/names-are-overrated

Alr heres my attempt at trying to throw something together that be good in higher havocs

[unreal nova]

It's the, that guy ran off with 4 hp left even after puncture bleed.

[blissful stump]

my friend thats why you throw MORE gernades

if you arent doing enough bleed stacks to physically push them away are you even doing things right?

[unreal nova]

Waste a frag on a lone target.

[shy ridge]

Id drop everything except 2 points of your choice in the upper tree and take 3 points down bottom right subtree

[unreal nova]

Shooting again is reeeeeeeeeeee since extreme overkill.

[blissful stump]

I assume reci and desperado?

[woven oak]

How's this build? P sword + plasma + smokes, Havoc 40.

[narrow frost]

idk plasma breakpoints

but

field improve should be debated

[shy ridge]

I like it on generalist builds it's really good

[narrow frost]

if you want revive, curios slot is fine

[woven oak]

oh, oops. I do have demo team, not leave no one behind

marked it wrong on the screenshot

[blissful stump]

trueeeee

[woven oak]

I am picking One Motion to make sniping specials easier for me

[shy ridge]

The reload on weapon specialists is good

[woven oak]

yeah, that's one I was debating

[sharp epoch]

not bad, longshot isn't needed though

just take one motion

[woven oak]

Longshot doesn't add anything? Surprising

[sharp epoch]

and demo team has a lot of value in havoc more than the 60 second grenade regen even

[woven oak]

Yeah, I have demo team. Just marked the screenshot wrong.

[shy ridge]

Revive is good if you are stacking revive speed too

Don't overlook it

[sharp epoch]

It doesn't because there's a lot of other buffs for damage like exploit weakness and agile engagement, and it reaches breakpoints already with those

I put that last point into the 25+ toughness, but you can also choose born leader or field improvb

[woven oak]

I might do the Weapon Spec reload node

I do not want to reload the plasma gun

[sharp epoch]

Yeah that's a nice QoL

[hollow ibex]

The reload is like the easiest thing ever tho

taking AP with plasma always makes me laugh

[woven oak]

it isn't hard, it's just that I am lazy

[tame lodge]

No such thing as overkill

[tribal dawn]

Gamelantern isn't giving me anything, so I'll ask here. Anyone got any fun stealth builds for vet?

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/stealth-bomber

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1428625649047834714/5292FC1.MP4?ex=68f91d91&is=68f7cc11&hm=3086cf1d813c45ece949a1b9a6b8c5c41ae60403e327b0c3f07d894d6657e49d&

[tribal dawn]

Ty. I dunno why I couldn't find any stealth builds that weren't from over a year ago lol.

[surreal rune]

whats the giant counter for

oh my

[hollow ibex]

Cuz stealth kinda sucks and got cucked this patch lol

But stealth bomber is very funny

[tribal dawn]

I can tell judging from the 30 buffs that procced.

lmfao

[umbral scaffold]

is anyone else getting a glitch where your build or cosmetics don’t save at all?

[steel barn]

I saw a decent one from update release that was reconlas + dueling sword

I run that for vet stealth

[hollow ibex]

Dueling sword

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vomit-luvicat-stupid-funni-gif-21439008

[steel barn]

What's wrong with it?

[hollow ibex]

It’s just kinda a dumb weapon

Overpowered in some respects

Horrible in others

And very braindead

[hybrid plover]

It's got no sauce.

😔

[static radish]

PLEASE

TELL ME THERE IS A MOD FOR ME TO SEE MY ACCURACY

IM SICK OF THIS PENANCE

[umbral scaffold]

Is that the vet one for 90% accuracy across an entire match?

[static radish]

and finish with no ammo

yes

[hybrid plover]

Double barrel

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, that one is annoying.

[static radish]

i TRIED

idk why even with the double barrel i miss 1 shot to many or something

even with me just contantly using the braced shot

[hybrid plover]

That's. Actually not the ideal way.

Because braced has worse spread.

You're probably missing more shots that way.

[umbral scaffold]

Would make sense if pellet spread is too wide

[static radish]

you just gotta have the tick showing you dealt damage from what i understood

[hybrid plover]

As long as a pellet hits at all, its good. But braced fire makes the chances of the spread actually missing higher.

[spark helm]

Popular powerful pick that's very easy and somewhat accessible if your index finger can take it.

Plenty of weapons in the game are extremely easy to use and powerful but, not as many share the same level of impact or hate.

[static radish]

well alright

[hybrid plover]

Also.

[static radish]

there's rolling steel praise be

hopefully i can get it there

[hybrid plover]

Try run n' gun too.

Since that also tightens spread.

[static radish]

alright

another mission where i didnt get it

[meager echo]

It's best to do that penance solo, if you play with others chance they might steal your kill -> missing shots.

[static radish]

how do i solo it?

[meager echo]

Change to low population to solo like south africa

[static radish]

i just want to be done man

[tribal dawn]

I did that one with a revolver

It's real finnicky too

I went through 2 missions where I know for a damn fact that I didn't miss a shot and the game said "no"

[hollow ibex]

Solo might screw you

[meager echo]

Choose map like power matrix, endless horde at the end so you can play the mission like normal, only shoot horde at the end.

[hollow ibex]

Have to kill bots first

Otherwise bot aura lol

[static radish]

cant do it by myself either

[meager echo]

Yeah, it's best to ask for help in lfg, that penance is annoying.

[hollow ibex]

I got it randomly with DB

[meager echo]

I do it with power matrix and low difficulty.

[static radish]

gotta be at least heresy so

[umbral scaffold]

I find the largest issue I have with it is that it does what other weapons should do better than they do it.

Explain to me why a huge, two handed sword with a power field on struggles more to kill a crusher than the DS does. I mean, I get it, the DS is sharp and pointy, but in 40k, power fields essentially melt through armour like it’s nothing. Infact, if you parry a power weapon with a Normal weapon, it usually shatters/breaks.

DS just needs to be nerfed a bit. Or other weapons need to be buffed to be on a similar playing field.

[ripe sierra]

So I'm trying to do an up-close-and-personal run-and-gun build with a combat shotgun, but I don't know which blessings I should be focusing on. It's not really a crit build so I'm mostly focused on raw power. What would be the best options for that?

[hollow ibex]

Full bore no respite usually

[ripe sierra]

How often does full bore actually work? Wouldn't that be really bad with crowds?

[hollow ibex]

Pretty consistent and works

Well on the biggest guys

Which are usually the ones you want that bonus damage for

[ripe sierra]

Honestly I find myself having a harder time with gunners and ragers than any of the ogryn enemies

[misty minnow]

As long as you are close enough for pellets to hit the enemy

[spark helm]

While it is goofy, I will say that tide games have predicated themselves on having mobile, weakspot thrust/stab weapons can always been able to decimate armored enemies. Dual daggers and sword and dagger, rapier, sienna dagger and the like genuinely have had the capacity to punch through shit and contest heavier armor classes.

I do think that it's pretty silly that weapons about well, crushing armor with the mass to visually back it up don't have that same level of oomph. I figure it's just a balance precedent that they're not budging on any time soon.

[umbral scaffold]

Prob pick flak and maniac for perks then!

[ripe sierra]

Yeah that's what I have my perks set for. The blessings are the part I'm confused on though. It seems like some of them are high reward but pretty niche, while others can activate constantly but only give a little boost

[misty minnow]

Gunners actually easy to down with shotgun ragers the full bore will do

[umbral scaffold]

You’re not wrong. I think they are pretty dedicated to what they have going, and tbh, I don’t reallllly mind. I do just as well on my auric runs with just about every other weapon than DS, so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[meager echo]

Just save one frag for ragers.
For gunners you have to look for cover. Its rough if you dont have smoke.

[ripe sierra]

I typically bring kraks if there's a lot of heavies in one spot

[meager echo]

If you using krak, unless you use ps6. You need to be with the team or ragers pack might kill you.

[ripe sierra]

Yeah that's been an issue, either I'm too far ahead of the team trying to kill gunners and get trapped, or I'm too slow and get left behind

[meager echo]

I think you need to stick with them, sometimes they move too fast in pubs, you cant do anything about that...

[misty minnow]

Always keep teammates in peripherals and move as they do

[ripe sierra]

Well for veteran I have two builds I like to use, a fast run-and-gun and a slower sniper build

[spark helm]

Personally think a lot of duelling swords strength has more to do with the compounding system at play that opens up already inherently mobile weapons that use that safety as their primary vehicle to get their jobs done. It just got accelerated because we're not playing a game that has a subclass system reining in weapon choices and build interactions, let alone a system that makes base movement as accessible as it is in darktide compared to vt2.

Mobile characters that were compatible with those classes of weapons often just had their niche being steady advantages in the things that complimented those weapons. Think shade kerillian having daggers with passives that compliment landing headshots and weaving in backstabs. Or witch hunter rapier builds and performance from players that can more consistently play with the reach and weakspot potential on crit generation talents inherent to the subclass. Now, we just have the talent tree system that often just allows for the right kind of overlap between the spectrums for three paths. Builds are now more specifically tailored to having templates that can be reflected in vt2 but in a more roundabout way imo.

And of course with an expansion of preceeding decisions made for the game's design. Everybody that can use a duelling sword can also slide, actually sprint, sprint slide, etc.

[meager echo]

DS kiting is only strong in auric.
In havoc kiting backward for too long lead to more elites spawn.

[willow prairie]

ds is op in auric

good in havoc

[spark helm]

Kiting isn't the only thing that the weapon can do. I'm just talking about things that people have been doing with the archetype since vt2 and perhaps vt1 (barely got to play it and didn't own it)

[willow prairie]

outside of staff psyker you don't run ds in havoc at all due to nor being able to clear horde

[red portal]

Book zealot used to run it to just farm easy backstabs and crits for chorus spam unsure what weapons book bots are using now a days

[willow prairie]

yeah that the only use case

you just run relic or evis/ chainsword

[red portal]

Also pretty insane boss DPS for low investment

[willow prairie]

nowadays

[red portal]

I know some zealots still run ds just to nuke bosses with parry spam

[willow prairie]

not worth gimping yourself everywhere else

[meager echo]

I saw shroud + ds zealot one shot captain on utube

[red portal]

That's not new...

[willow prairie]

malice moment

[meager echo]

Its h40

[red portal]

No you can do it h40

You use thrust agile

[spark helm]

I run ds when I just want to. It's still a fun enough weapon for me just off the experience from vt2.

[willow prairie]

yeah not having uncanny basically put it in meme tier

also thrust

[spark helm]

Thrust is fine if someone wants it huh?

[red portal]

Thrust is an ok blessing for stealth zealot in specific

[hybrid plover]

Thrust isn't as good anymore these days though.

[red portal]

Never use it outside of that scenario though

[meager echo]

But the real problem is ds is pure single target dmg.
You need someone to frontline for you, or you are going to kite backward a lot.

[hybrid plover]

The change to DS did hurt Thrust specifically.

[meager echo]

DS is op if your team is good, if they need you to make space for them, its not good.

[static radish]

i need to give up on the penance for now

takes the fun out of the game at this point

[meager echo]

That penance is annoying without any help. Especially if you play with randoms, they will kill stuff that you are trying to shoot.

[dapper coyote]

Chat what the Red class of weapon? (sainted)

[spark helm]

Best bet is to get used to just shooting first and shooting options

[dapper coyote]

How do obtain sainted weapons?

[spark helm]

There is no red tier.

Not yet at least

[spark helm]

You have a mod on that changes colors or something?

[dapper coyote]

Hangon imma ask psykers/schizo gang channel

[kind spruce]

That's a mod yea

[dapper coyote]

Ah

I see

[spark helm]

You're fine

Was just confused for a second because darktide been doing orange rarity since the beginning and just hasn't stopped even after havoc was introduced.

[dapper coyote]

Its a tag for weapons that are FULLY max, modded ofc

[spark helm]

I see.

[hollow ibex]

I think the mod is literally called red weapons at home

[dapper coyote]

Also why are we knicking rations?

Is the goddamn mourningstar running out of food?

[static radish]

man

is everyone not in game or what?

i keep getting quickplay empty lobbies

[dapper coyote]

Depends on time/location

Right now for SEA (south east asia) lobbies are looking empty

And for US/EU its eepy time i think

[static radish]

i was not in quickplay

that explains it

[dapper coyote]

Lmao

[azure narwhal]

TRAXIS

12

TRAXIS 12

YEAH?!

[void dragon]

(it was, in fact, not Traxis 12)

[hollow ibex]

Traxis 12 is beloved

[unreal nova]

SEA games is like 5-6~ hours later. You will be soloing otherwise.

Have to be GMT+8 After dinner time to really see players on a weekday.

Then you have like 4 hours with ppl before ded server again.

Why do you think I play with like min 280 ping?

[tepid otter]

horrid

[dapper coyote]

HAH 280 Ping?

Mine is 340

That is THE B A R E minimum

[tepid otter]

Are you also from SEA?

[dapper coyote]

Yes

[tepid otter]

I think I'd still prefer the low ping imho

[dapper coyote]

You'll learn the bare minimum ping once you don't have a good ping server in other games

I still remember people complaining about 100+ ping in other games yet here i am with 321-339 in the same lobby

[tepid otter]

I mean am also from SEA but havent that had much of an issue about finding players

Maybe if its Havocs during morning time, but Auric and stuff is just fine

I mean the game would be more enjoyable with low ping, no?

[dapper coyote]

Sure but sometimes you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for more choices

[tepid otter]

Well in my case I usually just play in the evening now

Im guessing most peeps have work and stuff anyway and just hop on at night

[unreal nova]

That's US West.

EU is 300-500.

Depends on which server we land.

US East is 340-480.

That 500+ is if we roll Russia servers.

I just simply DC constantly at that point.

[unreal nova]

Yep. I play 3-6 ping on APAC Central.

[unreal nova]

I know that feel. I just got used to it in a way. Some even complain at 50 ping.

[primal zealot]

im always at 100 in my own region

on fiber

fuck my shit chungus life

[tepid otter]

100 isnt so bad is it

[primal zealot]

not rly but like bare minimum 100. thats less than i pay per month for this

[unreal nova]

That's expensive.

[silver patrol]

pretty damn bad for the nearest server with fiber

playable, but you would expect 80 at most on wifi on half the connection speed

[midnight wyvern]

depends on distance

best internet available here and I get 70 ping to my closest because its on the other side of australia

not much i can do about distance

lol

[jaunty quest]

Is lasgun builds viable for Havoc? I'm still low level

[unreal nova]

Is the Aussie server farm like one spot only? I also got the H40 done. Ended up going back to aurabot.

[unreal nova]

Hellbore, yes.

[jaunty quest]

with crit build?

[unreal nova]

Recon, only lower and mid havoc. More as a secondary for meleekers if high havocs.

[midnight wyvern]

syndey, and the 40 I wasn't concerned about, I did more than the rest of the teams damage combined, I was not the problem in that match

[cunning haven]

are kraks worth running without grenadier/tinkering?

[unreal nova]

I mean, it's no secret I don't do damage. I just play support.

And hope I stagger stuff.

[midnight wyvern]

without tinkerer in havoc no, in aurics its whatever

grenadier doesn't matter

[unreal nova]

It's a, it's nice to have node.

[midnight wyvern]

I don't think they 1 shot in auric but I don't remember

I don't run them without tinkerer so I forgor

[midnight wyvern]

points can go elsewhere

[unreal nova]

Think they do in damnation... Unless the extra HP from everything getting spongier causes issues.

[midnight wyvern]

damnation and auric is the same scaling

[unreal nova]

True, why a, nice to have but not needed.

[unreal nova]

Yes, but the extra HP is from THAT patch.

Last time I memed with kraks was before.

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-breaking-bad-walter-white-wtf-wth-gif-26435332

[unreal nova]

What? I'm used to having frags.

Could just go test lul.

[tall torrent]

u can build enough dmg to make them 1 tap crushers in auric, without tinkerer

in havoc tinkerer is a must-have point tax

[midnight wyvern]

yeah I just remember them doing in the 4ks of damage by themselves

[ocean forge]

any tips on completing make every shot count penance? my aim isn't the best and i currently have a plasma gun as my main/ranged weapon

if ppl don't know or remember the penance is this: Complete a Mission on Heresy Threat or higher with no Ammo remaining, and 90 accuracy.

[fair shale]

I used the combat shotgun for it

Iirc you only need to hit a pellet in shot

Also, take off survivalist

[heavy rover]

Like lasguns in general? Helbore is my go-to for havoc

[ocean forge]

ty @fair shale

[fair shale]

Np, happy hunting

Some people like revo for it if you dont like shotgun

[ocean forge]

what abt double barrel shotgun does it have less or more ammo?

[fair shale]

Dont remember off the top of my head, cannot imagine its more

[mortal aspen]

it's very hard to miss with a double barrel

[cunning haven]

should i use shredder + focus target or krak + tinkerer

[distant mural]

Use ze krak

Is good

[quiet breach]

krak goes kind of crazy

[midnight wyvern]

its aight

[distant mural]

Its peak

Never waste time on a crusher or bullwark again

Shredders are for people who cant fight poxwalkers

Because the use ds or knife

[tepid otter]

Im like 100hrs in and I still dont know the difference between Elites and Specialists lmao

[distant mural]

Me neither man

Me neither

I think ogryn and stuff are elite

And the rest is special

[tepid otter]

i thought everything other than chaff was just specialists

lmao

[mortal aspen]

elites are tough damage dealers
specialists are area denial and disabling

[distant mural]

Elaborate

[fading grove]

Elites are gunners shotgunners ragers

[elder vessel]

Specials separate you from your team, Elites separate your head from your body

[distant mural]

But ogryn and bullwark are elite too

Im very sure

[mortal aspen]

yes, they are chunky damage dealers

[fading grove]

Specials are disabling and area denial

[elder vessel]

By this designation, Sniper should probably be an elite

[distant mural]

Sike its a special

Hahahahah

[tepid otter]

The only one I think of that can actually separate you is the trapper

[mortal aspen]

also, elites are spammed in groups, specialists are by default separate

[distant mural]

I will forget all this information very soon

It happened before and will happen again

[tepid otter]

Just kill everything

[elder vessel]

a well placed flamer can keep your team from helping you/picking you up

[mortal aspen]

if all it does is do damage with melee\ranged and have high health - it's elite

[distant mural]

Fire is some bs in general

[mortal aspen]

except plasma goon, I think he counts as a specialist for some reason

and sniper I guess

[elder vessel]

Hes not in the psykhanium for some friggen reason

[tepid otter]

well so much for that definition then lmao

[fading grove]

I hope we get some new weapons in December update

[distant mural]

You can google it too

Its all listed

[mortal aspen]

but sniper and plasma both do more than just damage
sniper is area denial and plagoon applies a debuff

[tepid otter]

they should make that mod where you can just spawn enemies and bosses in the meat grinded vanilla

plagooners

[elder vessel]

A debuff to your hopes and dreams

[fading grove]

Devil Claw 4 is Chad

[elder vessel]

Chainaxe 4 is Chad

[mortal aspen]

Devil Claw, more like Imp Fingernail

[elder vessel]

Devils Claw Sword

Designated Knife in Lore

[fading grove]

Chain axe 4 is so chad

[midnight wyvern]

I love that it was in PTS

was with gunners/mauler

[dense river]

So as a rookie Veteran player (Rookie in general) should I use the revolvers? I found one early and man its good even if its cant even 1 shot normal dudes on the lowest difficulty without headshot (Makes it more rewarding)

[azure narwhal]

Both stub revolvers are good and synergyze well with vet. Though, the zarona mk2 is a solid choice.

[dense river]

I prefer the one with the atcual ads

Braced is fine for going bang bang bang but other than that it leaves much to be desired

[azure narwhal]

Yes

Mk2

It's a staple in plenty of builds for a good reason, stick to it

Once you get around to weapon specialist

It'll get far better

[elder vessel]

Ik the ogryn brain isnt doing much for him, but this is ridiculous

[grand perch]

Limited ammo and high headshot multiplier makes you want to hit those headshots. Practise going for them

[dapper coyote]

Is revolvers good enough for carapace stuff?

[tame lodge]

Zarona is

[grand perch]

Also revolver isn't meant to deal with normal shooty enemies, use it on specialists and elites

[tame lodge]

But atm you're better off meleeing crushers

No problem shooting maulers with it

[grand perch]

Crusher HP buff was certainly one of the changes of all time

Especially in combination with the worst havoc modifier ever, rotten armour

[red portal]

Yeah shooting crushers is so bad

[dense river]

I saw MisterE had a build where he was one shotting the big fellows

[unreal nova]

People thought blight, rituals and final toll bad... this is like. We already have 8 crushers and now the modifier adds another 8 more on top and they all have 5 trillion hp?

[meager echo]

The problem is not about the ability to one shot elites, you won't have enough ammo to do that in higher difficulty.
Unless you go hellbore which is net dps lot due to how strong vet melee is right now.

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova

[unreal nova]

Woe, blustimmed rot crushers be upon ye.

[sudden cedar]

Woe, Chorus be upon ye.

[dense river]

Gotcha, well I am playing difficulty 2 right now since thats the highest my guy can do so I think it will still last me a while but by the time I max my veteran I will probably need better guns XD

[sudden cedar]

Fear His Wrath.

[turbid ibex]

Cool pfp

[midnight wyvern]

its actually 3 now

benefit to your skill

[unreal nova]

Funny thing is, I did arby whole night till I just gave up, pulled out my aurabot and we somehow won the h40.

[dense river]

Thx

[sudden cedar]

Sounds like a skill issue.

[tall torrent]

Zarona mk2a revolver is one of the strongest weapons in the game and basically the best/2nd best veteran gun for hybrid playstyle

[dense river]

I will make it work for as long as I have fun, I am NOT skilled enough or anywhere near auric or havoc so I am just having fun learning the game

If not then then blessed bolt gun

Not sure which I want one the new one or the classic

[meager echo]

I low key feel that arby is squishier than vet with break the line + lone wolf.
Nice cc into armour pack but get shred by gunners

[tall torrent]

Mk2b is technically the better boltgun but mk3 is ok too

[turbid ibex]

Classic is better single target and sniping

[unreal nova]

My arby is dog stack nuncio eo.

A.k.a. damage amp while panicking as map turns purple.

[tall torrent]

It kind of is

[meager echo]

arbi feels like a god vs melee. But not so good vs range enemies.

[willow prairie]

arby is tanky in melee

[unreal nova]

Problem is closing the gap.

[willow prairie]

force of will doing a tons by itself

and he still have more toughness

[unreal nova]

Or getting close enough that shotgun/pistol can kill.

[unreal nova]

Not in h40.

4 shooters can and will break my stam, let alone a gunner pack.

[willow prairie]

I was just talking about how fow alone is good but whatever

[turbid ibex]

Which one is force of will?

[willow prairie]

10% toughness on stagger

[turbid ibex]

Oh that one

[willow prairie]

proc multiple time per swing

[dry cloak]

i like mk3 better because with my build breakpoints dont change much and sound is better

[unreal nova]

Problem is needing to get close.

[willow prairie]

yeah that apply to everything

[echo badger]

thinking about making a veteran should i?

[willow prairie]

vet have smoke but get surrounded and he dead

psword is busted as fuck but it doesn't save you from that

[dry cloak]

you should play all the classes. you started with?

[tall torrent]

It’s part of their class design

U have 3 weapons with shields

[unreal nova]

Try all classes, then decide what you enjoy.

[dry cloak]

arby feels like the mithycal ranged zealot to me

[echo badger]

i already maxed psyker and close with arbites

[dry cloak]

casti mk3 shotgun and go ham

[dry cloak]

then maybe try ogryn

[unreal nova]

Ammo goblin?

[sudden cedar]

@tall torrent What is the third weapon with a shield?

[echo badger]

alr

[willow prairie]

yeah getting free 75% cleave for no reason

[dry cloak]

i use this build when i know i can.

[calm shard]

the 2 shield+maul variants and the shotpistol

[dry cloak]

shotpistol

[sudden cedar]

We counting variants. Alright.

[willow prairie]

shot pistol kinda mid though

[echo badger]

im like level 18 it was between him and veteran for my next level 30

[dry cloak]

yeah because of how it was in before days

[unreal nova]

The joke with it is like bistol, gun that takes 2 shots to kill.

[willow prairie]

it basically exe8 but worse

you have 1 extra bullet but due to breakpoint it doesn't mattter

[dry cloak]

shotpistol reloads faster and ahs a shield for worse damage. i see it as a fair tradeoff

[willow prairie]

and exe8 can do light horde mixed horde clear when not aiming

[unreal nova]

Only thing is it gives you more time to aim before you die.

[willow prairie]

they're same reload speed wise

[slow spade]

Replace shotpistol for a plasma pistol

[willow prairie]

or yknow not be in the open

[unreal nova]

Oh, and the ability to bonk dogs.

If you are trying to shoot something and dog shows.

[willow prairie]

dodge

🙏

[unreal nova]

Dodge is luck based.

With dogs.

[willow prairie]

ofc it doesn't work like 1/20 out of the time due to netcode or shit

[unreal nova]

Throw in 300 ping.

[willow prairie]

but it doesn't happen enough to warrant it as a plus

[unreal nova]

See above.

[willow prairie]

yeah if you play on 300 ping you have different problem

[unreal nova]

I get hit by muties 5 m away from me.

[willow prairie]

the game server is ass but 300 ping is on you

[unreal nova]

Push somehow is better.

If you can spam it.

[willow prairie]

yes because push have extra range vs stuff like dog and poxburster

it is better

[unreal nova]

On top of the fact that the game caculates staggers clientside.

I can do 0 damage staggers.

[meager echo]

I always double push pox burster.

[unreal nova]

How I know is 0 damage?

I whacked that thing 15 times and it's still not dead.

[willow prairie]

or maybe it because you're playing on 300 ping

[unreal nova]

It should have died at 8 hits assuming all the worst possible things.

[willow prairie]

💀

[unreal nova]

But it was getting staggered the entire time.

So. 0 damage staggers.

[tall torrent]

Nah

Shotpistol is way faster reload

Just not good 1 taps

But shotpistol has manstopper

[dry cloak]

2 tap usually but shield makes up for it

[tall torrent]

And innate 21% crit chance

[dry cloak]

in my eyes at elast

[tall torrent]

U can make it just giga pen mixed horde

[dry cloak]

add to that wahever bonus crit chance arby has in the tree

[tall torrent]

U get 33.5% crit chance baseline for arb

+21% on shotpistol

+up to 60% from scattershot (minimum 24% since scattershot needs to hit at least 2 enemies in 1 atk to stack up)

It’s a crit weapon through and through

[willow prairie]

I just remember soulguilt 16% and shotpistol but where the rest come from lol

the one next to soulguilt i mean

not soulguilt

[turbid ibex]

Wait what

Ok where the fuck these numbers coming from

[tall torrent]

Arb 7.5%
Zealous dedication 16%
Efficient killer 10%
This alrdy 33.5%
Shotpistol 21%
This is now 54.5%
Scattershot min 24%, max 60%
Now ur looking at 78.5~100%

[willow prairie]

efficient killer?

[unreal nova]

Isn't there a crit chance on kill node?

The middle one on left.

[dry cloak]

i use somethig like this with proper dumpstat

[tall torrent]

It was revealed to me in the game

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[dry cloak]

bath know what the numbers mean

[willow prairie]

yeah next to soulguilt

16%

soulguilt is 16% weakspot strength

[slow spade]

Shotpistol just needs Deadly Accurate UwU

[willow prairie]

stack on kill though

[tall torrent]

Zealous dedication, it’s up to 16%

[unreal nova]

I dunno soulguilt. I path that for dog brittle.

[tall torrent]

But yea arb by default plays at like 33.5% crit chance

Shotpistol is a very crit dependent gun

[willow prairie]

I never thought of running manstopper tbh

since the spread isn't big enough and the normal cleave is decent

also he need shit for boss damage so i just run fullbore + pinning for elites

[tall torrent]

Arb just meh at boss dps

[slow spade]

Left Tree +30% monster damage at least

[willow prairie]

yeah that why he need ranged weapon that can deal with bosses

[dry cloak]

arbys best boss damage is the dog explosion when latched

[tall torrent]

Nah just melee

[willow prairie]

all of them don't have good bosses damage outside crusher

[tall torrent]

There’re like 2 guns good at boss dps on arb

[willow prairie]

caxe exist but then i have to play caxe

[tall torrent]

Boltgun and v5 iag

[dry cloak]

shotpistol and mk8 shotty can also chunk at the health but it aint constant

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s not good

[willow prairie]

mk8 does way more unyielding damage than shotpistol it not funny lol

on top of having more damage by default

[midnight wyvern]

agri CS is aight but not great either

[tall torrent]

It’s not that much more

Neither is good at it

[tame lodge]

Arby's not beating the exclusive weapons getting mogged by base weapons allegations

[willow prairie]

asm:

[tall torrent]

Arb’s exclusive weapons are pretty good

[midnight wyvern]

arb maul

[willow prairie]

shaul:

[midnight wyvern]

hello?

[tall torrent]

Better than most base game weapons

[midnight wyvern]

lol

[willow prairie]

exe:

shotpistol:

[dry cloak]

the boltgun should be arby excloosive chage me mind

it should be taken fromv et and zealot

jokes ofcourse

[willow prairie]

all arby exclusive weapon are decent

[midnight wyvern]

[turbid ibex]

Saul

[tall torrent]

Barrel urself immediately

[tame lodge]

Well Locke pattern is originally theirs

[thin stone]

@tall torrent which shovel variant is good for taking into high havocs?

[hybrid plover]

Agri shotgun outright is one of arby's best options for base weapons tbh

[tame lodge]

So yeah I can see it

[tall torrent]

1

[thin stone]

1?

[midnight wyvern]

yes but we're talking boss damage

[thin stone]

What blessings and perks?

[hybrid plover]

Yes. It does that incredibly well actually.

[midnight wyvern]

doesn't beat a bolter lol

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s better than ext shotguns at that actually

[willow prairie]

yeah

[tall torrent]

Boltgun on arb is also not that impressive tbh

I don’t like it

[midnight wyvern]

I just don't try and do boss focus on arb

[willow prairie]

you only use it for boss damage anyway

[thin stone]

I am tired of the power sword, I want something that doesn't need charging

[midnight wyvern]

vet has it by the balls over every class

[willow prairie]

but it doesn't have much sustain

[hybrid plover]

Way more ammo efficient and can actually do other things than boss damage

[calm shard]

and the crazy thing is they always have

[willow prairie]

pump and dump

[calm shard]

vet just annihilates monstrosities

that's just something they do

[hybrid plover]

Bolter on arby is Way overrated

[thin stone]

@tall torrent can you tell which blessings and perks?

[tall torrent]

V5 iag is better than boltgun most of the time on arb

[midnight wyvern]

yeah ive been playing bolter boss bully build basically since tree reworks

[thin stone]

And why variant 1?

[tall torrent]

Uncanny Decimator
Unyielding carapace

[midnight wyvern]

the most recent buff to mag size, even though it was 1 round, lets me 1 mag a H40 pogryn

[calm shard]

I've been playing it since before the tree reworks

[midnight wyvern]

Vet bonkers

[tall torrent]

Because folding attacks don’t matter much for carapace enemy more

[midnight wyvern]

with no exe stance

[calm shard]

The Zarona Combat Shotgun gets damn close to 1 magging a h40 pogryn with exe

It takes like 13 shots and it has 11 in the mag

It's very upsetting

[tall torrent]

The mag size talent buff matters most for higher capacity weapons

[midnight wyvern]

[midnight wyvern]

hey if it hits a breakpoint it hits a breakpoint

[tall torrent]

1 mag h40 plague ogryn (102k hp) boltgun needs u to do like 5400 damage per shot given a 19r mag

Ur not getting that without teammates’ buffs anyway prob with skullcrusher

[willow prairie]

suspiciously arby shaped

[midnight wyvern]

who's gonna tell em

[tall torrent]

Yea this “breakpoint” legit doesn’t matter lol

[willow prairie]

damn combat stim

[midnight wyvern]

79k with no red stim

[tall torrent]

Most of the time u still need teammates to debuff

[midnight wyvern]

need is debatable

[tall torrent]

And it’s not like u have to 1 mag skip boss most of the time anyway

[midnight wyvern]

leaving a boss right on the edge of death after engaging it for 5 seconds or just killing it will never not be valuable no matter the copium lol

[tall torrent]

Taking 2 red nodes in current vet tree also not that great

Boss skip doesn’t matter that much outside of solo/duo

It’s a flex moment at best

[charred dome]

Whole vet rework threw me off, any suggestions for this with rashad and laspistol?

[willow prairie]

I mean you can just take one of them since both are good value by themself

[tall torrent]

Red nodes?

Nah

If vet Cdr was better, sure

[willow prairie]

20% strength basically non conditionally for 10 seconds in this game

10 seconds is basically forever

[frigid shuttle]

no skirmisher?

[midnight wyvern]

usually I am taking only weakspot strength one, but given I had to test if it could

and it can

more damage is more damage

[charred dome]

Idk what's good and what's bad now dog lmao

[willow prairie]

yeah marksman is the 20 strength

[tall torrent]

Marksman is good but vet CDR holds it back

[slow spade]

Get skirmisher, it procs on sliding now too

[tall torrent]

Compared to the blue talents u can get that do damage more consistently

If tac awareness proc from teammates’ specialist kills then yes marksman value is actually pretty high

[willow prairie]

run something like this instead

bottom right is basically the meta way to build ws

you have 3 point to spare

[tall torrent]

Skipping both +25 TGH nodes to get shock trooper is crazy

[willow prairie]

swap speed doesn't matter on laspistol

[tall torrent]

I don’t think shock trooper even worth it that much outside of mk4 helbore

[willow prairie]

oh i forgot to get the middle tree perk

0 free point

[hybrid plover]

Shocktrooper is a social construct

[willow prairie]

i mean he want it

I wouldn't run it ever

[turbid ibex]

Just like you

🙂

[charred dome]

I mean I only run shocktrooper so I don't get bent because someone's running bolter

[unreal nova]

NUNCIO AQULIA UP AND RUNNING!

[willow prairie]

fixed

1 free point

[frigid shuttle]

why is infiltrate a budget shroudfield?

this feels so trash

[charred dome]

Would bleed help much on rashad?

[willow prairie]

bro think hes huntsman

oh rashad

no

[charred dome]

yeah this is rashad and laspistol

[willow prairie]

you can take filed improv if you want but attack speed are non negotiable on caxe

you can either path with bleed or field

vet have enough ammo so I don't run shocktrooper but you do you

you could leave it behind to get bring it down

[charred dome]

I've had too many games where someone runs bolter and hoovers up every single pickup

[dapper coyote]

How do we share our builds in mobile?

[tall torrent]

No

[tall torrent]

Gameslantern

[dapper coyote]

Wait really? How?

[willow prairie]

screenshot....

[tall torrent]

Go search up gameslantern website

Build editor

Make talent tree

Screenshot

[dapper coyote]

Ah from there

I see..

[willow prairie]

why no tac aware though

[tall torrent]

Take reciprocity

[tame lodge]

Unlikely
Rashad just kills everything before bleed can do something

Then again

[charred dome]

where even is tac aware

[willow prairie]

cdr on elites kill

[tame lodge]

Not a lot of good options up there

[charred dome]

I used to run it but eh

[tall torrent]

Specialist

[charred dome]

wait that's specialist

I already had to ditch deadshot for skirmisher lol

[willow prairie]

yeah specialist

[hybrid plover]

Might as well go field improv tbh

[willow prairie]

I didn't know he was using rashad

[tame lodge]

Damn good deal

[charred dome]

rashad and laspistol

lemme pull out the mighty mspaint

[willow prairie]

so i told him to go fucking bleed caxe

im just that based

[charred dome]

Gonna be honest, forgot why I went flak and unarmoured

I think I was told to ditch cara for unarm

I'm still sad about the bruhmentum nerf but I get it lmao

[willow prairie]

run cara + flak

laspistol can handle boss damage

[dapper coyote]

Also why 25 unarmored?

[charred dome]

don't ask me it's what I was told here a while back

so I know ghost is probably gonna get me shit on

but my cata twitch days are long gone

[hybrid plover]

Scab bruisers

That's actually the perk that should stay.

[willow prairie]

go infernus + dumdum

[charred dome]

I used to do dumdum but then I get the 30000 shooters seed and no one else is shooting anything

[willow prairie]

dumdum affect fire dot too

[tall torrent]

Bruiser 1 hit

[hybrid plover]

Flak isn't really that needed on c axe so carapace is a better choice imho

[dapper coyote]

Fair enuff, wait isnt that the shielded guy?

Wait no

Its the melee dudes

[willow prairie]

that bulwark

[charred dome]

and dumdum only really helped me out with plague and muties

[dapper coyote]

Its the regular chaff melee dudes

Bulwark is the shield guys

[willow prairie]

yeah the shield guy is bulwark

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Bucket Head and Billy Bulky
But unarmored is specifically for Billy Bulky

[charred dome]

so unarm and flak stays on axe

[dapper coyote]

And the slug guy is Eater dudes

[willow prairie]

bucket head is flak

billy body is flak

[charred dome]

what is it with this game and resetting my talent trees back to what I had it before holy shit

[willow prairie]

unarmored head

[dapper coyote]

You can skip this with mods

[charred dome]

rip my beautiful deadshot

I have to keep an eye on ammo now somewhat kinda not really

[willow prairie]

deadshot is a meme anyway

[charred dome]

should I even bother with infernus then

[willow prairie]

better on slow firing weapon

yes

[charred dome]

I guess I'm just relying off weapons specialist for the crit chance lol

[willow prairie]

no laspistol have good base crit already

you can just stack it even without ws

[charred dome]

ah

[charred dome]

alright final result for reals then

trust me, I want reciprocity

To this day I'm still sad about the rumbler nerf but whatever it pushed me to play veteran

[hybrid plover]

Okay real talk, why close quarters killzone though

That directly competes with reciprocity.

[charred dome]

idk damage is damage, dude I hang around on like damnation not even auric

I don't know the meta lmao

[hybrid plover]

And it's not that good.

[charred dome]

so ditch killzone for recip

[turbid ibex]

Prob ditch the other red node too

Since you dont even have tac awareness

[hybrid plover]

The red nodes in general are just not great

[charred dome]

rip alright

do I keep duty and honour?

[hybrid plover]

And especially so in your case.

[charred dome]

alright well hell what do I ditch for tac aware

I'm thinking shocktrooper or 10% TDR but I need my crutch

[unreal nova]

Wot? Rumbler nerfed? Thing's still busted.

[charred dome]

This was ages ago when they gave monsters explosive resistance

[mortal aspen]

10% TDR and the red node on the left

[charred dome]

Before I could drop them in one pbb lmfao

[mortal aspen]

Demo team over Born leader imo

infinite kraks

[charred dome]

wat

[turbid ibex]

Infinite crack

[tame lodge]

Yes
Gold Toughness broken op

Not bait 2025

[charred dome]

Where is this

[mortal aspen]

to the right of Tac awareness, opposite Born leader

[charred dome]

oh right

[slow spade]

Duty and Honor nerf hurts but it's still a flat +50 toughness for 10 sec

Discord pls :c

[willow prairie]

gold toughness so no chip

[mortal aspen]

dogshit

never take

[willow prairie]

instant regen for everyone in range

[mortal aspen]

/spit

[willow prairie]

it worse after update

[mortal aspen]

unplayable

[frigid shuttle]

man, damnation players are big

[slow spade]

The average darktide player is big oof :p

[midnight wyvern]

most of the DT playerbase is a big oof

[hybrid plover]

The time for Shout has passed.

It is time for Executioner's to rise.

[ivory trail]

It can be more than 500?

[frigid shuttle]

No.

[ivory trail]

But it is 80 80 80 80 61

[tall torrent]

Rounding bug

[unreal nova]

You mean, NOT Casti but with annoying weapon swap.

[frigid shuttle]

one of the 80 is 79.5x, but is rounded up to 80 for display

[hybrid plover]

I'm gonna be real. Executioner's was Castigators before Castigators was Castigators

It's the other way around.

[fair shale]

I remember OG 80 percent resist Exes

[tall torrent]

Pre-patch13 exe stance was Castigator pro max plus

[fair shale]

That was a good time

[elder fiber]

It was a time

[fair shale]

The days of blessed ignorance

Kantrael meta

[mortal aspen]

#giveexestance25percentdr

[unreal nova]

Well, Casti was better before the buff. Now lul.

[hybrid plover]

Also.

Hot take maybe.

||Castigator's isn't actually good.||

[tall torrent]

It isn’t

That part pretty obvious tbh

[fair shale]

Not only is it not good i think it probably makes people worse.

[tall torrent]

Arb has 1 good ability