veteran-class

[distant mural]

Thats why i dont play havoc anymore

[meager echo]

It is what it is, no one want to get one shot.

[distant mural]

Tbf exe stance worked very well for me in havoc

And i didnt get oneshot

I usually bring lots of gunner res.

[meager echo]

you are not most people

what is it so difficult to understand ?

[distant mural]

Idk i think im pretty average

[stable socket]

every defensive talent is technically a crutch to make up for lack of skill

[meager echo]

you think most people play to prove that they are pro gamers ?

[stable socket]

but that doesn't mean you shouldn't run with no defense

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-1712163874519931175

[distant mural]

I think psyker bubble is enough defense

[tall torrent]

Psyker strongest ult atm is vent

[distant mural]

I agree

[tall torrent]

Well it kinda always has been

[distant mural]

But moat people want bubble

[tall torrent]

But vent is not only bonkers dps

But also shuts down ranged enemies almost entirely

Which is what u bring bubble for most of the time anyway

[distant mural]

I prefer shiek too

And using cover

[meager echo]

bubble is not there for gunners. It's there for bon

bon spawns with other bosses, or on top of armour packs = fail run.

[distant mural]

Thats true

Very usefull for bon

But you can also just run away from it or strike from the side

[tall torrent]

They’re gonna take this as reason to buff scrier’s gaze for the 6th time in a row

[meager echo]

at that point you know what, just bring bubble I don't have to do any of that bs.

As if bubble psyker can't top dmg every game.

[distant mural]

Of course i like if the psyker i play with brings bubble but if he wants to run something else ill try to make it work

[meager echo]

not once in my pub runs " i wish psyker take vent to help me "

[distant mural]

A lot of psykers i played with just prefer to have shriek

[pulsar zephyr]

I'm gonna start running bubble

[distant mural]

And it worked really well usually

[pulsar zephyr]

Fuck gunners

[meager echo]

not in my sv then

[dry cloak]

i still see most psykers with the bubble

[meager echo]

I'm so glad that venting shriek is not a thing in my sv.

[tall torrent]

Most havoc psykers play bubble because BoN can be really aids to fight in some areas + bubble is high impact safety pick

It’s kinda like the exe stance vs VoC argument atm

[distant mural]

Its damage vs safety yeah

[tall torrent]

VoC is safer but honestly it’s like the 2nd worst support ult?

[distant mural]

I just dont think you need bubble taunt voc aaand book

[meager echo]

no damages straight up delete the thread you can nulify with defensive option.

[tall torrent]

Taunt is way higher value
Indomitable is way higher value unless every single enemy is blue/yellow stim
Chorus is way higher value
Bubble is way higher value

So yea it’s better than Nuncio Aquila which is not a hard bar to beat

[meager echo]

post your average h40 run time, compare run time you will see. Most run are faster if you take more defensive option

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s even that

[distant mural]

I dont even know how to do that lol😂

[tall torrent]

Exe stance is not rly damage to me

[meager echo]

then I can't take you word for it my guy.

You talk this and that no data ?

[distant mural]

Why would i have data?!?😂

Its not my job

[meager echo]

okay then, I have nothing to say...

my bad.

[tall torrent]

VoC is nice for burster bs but like

Exe stance is just so good now

[narrow frost]

It's so fun too

[tall torrent]

Feels like scrier’s gaze pro max plus unironically

[meager echo]

I can see the stun immunity, and constant toughness regen is good.

[narrow frost]

Gaze type buffs with wall hacks

[distant mural]

Its free dmg

[meager echo]

But it can't prevent crushers/ maulers one shot

[tall torrent]

I really don’t see it as a damage pick

[distant mural]

Ok

I mean its not huge

But its 15%

[tall torrent]

The ranged damage bonuses are secondary to me

The important stuff to me is wallhack + stun immune (power sword cannot turn off from the bug) + constant toughness gain

[distant mural]

I like the extra handling for clunky weapons like bolter for headshots

And the wallhack yeah

[tall torrent]

I think VoC as an extra layer of safety on top of teammates having stagger related abilities is somewhat redundant because most of the time u can actually just dps check those enemies as long as stim RNG doesn’t roll blue over and over

[distant mural]

I think before the update i only ran voc

So i understand why people still prefer it

[tall torrent]

Cuz in premade usually ur looking at psyker + vet + 2

And those 2 usually are from og/z/arb

All 3 of them have more impactful support ults than vet does

[distant mural]

I usually played ogryn in havoc

Or vet

[tall torrent]

If both of them run their high impact support abilities (ogryn with taunt/rush, arb with btl, z with chorus) then VoC would be like a 3rd layer of defence

At that point it gets a bit redundant

[distant mural]

Ogryn and arby is just too much imo

[meager echo]

what you mean too much ?

[distant mural]

Too much power

[meager echo]

after patch they don't even do good dmg

[distant mural]

Ogryn is still very atrong

[tall torrent]

Ogryn and arb are relatively lower damage compared to vet and psyker

[distant mural]

I dont see a big differemce

[meager echo]

they are there for defensive purpose.

[tall torrent]

And zealot kinda but they’re closer together

[steep flower]

I beg to differ; still strong in their own regard

[distant mural]

I agree

Ogryn is still as good as before

[tall torrent]

Ogryn is sorta back to their original spot before they got the rework

[meager echo]

I mean compare to vet and psyker, aint no way he's going to out aoe psyker, or out armour dps vet.
He's there because of the taunt.

[tall torrent]

As in, good value for team

But comparatively not as much damage

Besides PBB rumbler

[distant mural]

I got most hours on my ogryn amd i dont feel a differemce from these „nerfs“

[tall torrent]

But that’s cringe

[distant mural]

And rumbler is eww

[tall torrent]

Rumbler is pretty cool besides PBB build

[distant mural]

Pbb is only cool with twink

[tall torrent]

In a melee build context it’s a good support tool

[distant mural]

I personally dont like it

[steep flower]

Nothing compares to psyker
Vet; can be compared and can do similar dmg, similar CC if not better & similar if not better clear

[distant mural]

I prefer kickback or hstubber

[tall torrent]

Ogryn’s damage is not as good as vet atm

[distant mural]

Ogryn melee is still bonkers

Pickaxe is an absolute blender

[tall torrent]

Highest melee dps is SG+DD psyker

Followed by vet

[steep flower]

Kraks carry that dmg

[distant mural]

I feel like thats in theory only

[tall torrent]

Scoreboards are not reflective of actual performance

[meager echo]

I have never complain about dps to begin with.
Before new tree. Most book zealot has like 500k total dmg. Meanwhile everyone is ~1mil. No one complain.

[distant mural]

Ogryn can actually hold the line comfortably

[tall torrent]

Nah vet just has more

[tall torrent]

For example u can kill 1 mutant and scoreboard registers 4k damage

[steep flower]

Everyone is pulling their weight

[tall torrent]

Or u can fight 2 Dreg ragers at the same time which is the same 4k damage total but obviously harder

And this is before scenarios and contexts pop up

Before ADMs affect things

It’s just not accurately reflective of performance

[distant mural]

Never used a scoreboard mod

[meager echo]

That's why i'm so mad about chorus getting nerf.
The way i see it, zealot sacrifice his own dps, to enable everyone else.
Meanwhile, people asking for chorus play style to be nerf so they can feel good while running their fotf, shroud build.

[tall torrent]

I think outside of psyker the other 4 classes are somewhat close with vet being the overall strongest of those 4 but not reaching even half the power psyker has

U can make a case of all 4 of them to be best at smth

Pretty easily

[steep flower]

Da fuck? Ppl really ask for chorus nerf to validate fotf/shroud playstyles more? Seems unbelievable

🤔

[steep flower]

Yeah psyker is his own tier of a monster

[tall torrent]

I think I’d like the “chorus playstyle” more if zealot weapons aren’t balanced with the assumption of u having a big damage ult

[distant mural]

I feel like zealots are just tired of being a running book

[meager echo]

If chorus are too strong, don't run it. Host your own lobbies.
Let average people win their run.

[steep flower]

I… do not understand (i haven’t slept tonight bear with me)

[steep flower]

Without an actual book too

[olive halo]

Shrimply become a thammer user

[dark surge]

flamestorm staff without a unit cap strikes again

[distant mural]

Yeah why does everyone say book? Its a relic!

[steep flower]

Cause the icon is a book

[distant mural]

Oh yeah

[olive halo]

Bcz the thing the dude holds up is best described as a thingamabob or a doohickey

[hybrid plover]

It's annoying that honestly, the only real argument I see for shout being better at this point is the stagger and bursters being utter bs. And yet at least the bursters thing is so significant that it still makes it a pick over the other abilities.

[olive halo]

Fr though what the hell is the thing zealot holds up during chorus

[hybrid plover]

Because Exe Stance provides quite a lot.

[primal zealot]

fake ogryn detected. real ogryns dont know what a book is cus we cant read. its just a paper sandwich

[tall torrent]

Most zealot-exclusive weapons really want big atk speed bonus and need a damage ult to do >avg carapace dps

And the ones that aren’t exclusive have their own issues

[distant mural]

Wouldnt surprise me if thats what they call it in the wh universe😂

[tall torrent]

TH is so sad of a weapon

[primal zealot]

a contraption

[steep flower]

Its portable toilet paper with nice rough exterior

[olive halo]

It's goated wdym

[tall torrent]

Completely botched

Worst designed melee in the game

[primal zealot]

just dont let shouty see you do that

[steep flower]

Fkem

[olive halo]

average wh naming experience, auspex means literally anything that observes

[tall torrent]

It hits for like 5.2k on full thrust heavy powered weakspot hit on crusher

So sad

[olive halo]

You got auspex, long range auspex (radar), micro auspex (microscope)

It never ends

[steep flower]

Rashuns auspex aka ogryn

[distant mural]

RASHUNS?!?!?

[olive halo]

Gettin me extra rashuns tonight :)

[tall torrent]

@steep flower given that zealot’s role is sorta supposed to be a dps oriented melee frontline over ogryn/arb, they kind of don’t have a good weapon that does that job without taking either of the 2 damage ults

Even relic blade is not good enough at it

[distant mural]

Rashuns ogryn needs restrainer mask for maximum efficiency

[tall torrent]

And I’m not gonna put DS as frontline melee lol

[distant mural]

I like the new evis

Thats fun with the charge

Oneshots crusher too

[primal zealot]

evis needs slaughterer

[meager echo]

Ogryn/Arb are better frontline than zealots, because they can provide dmg and utility as well.
Fotf and shroud is just pure dmg, with little to none utility.

[distant mural]

Yeah the blessings on it succcccc

But its still very fun

[steep flower]

Evis needs impact

[tall torrent]

Shroudfield is kind of like roleplaying as a krak grenade

[primal zealot]

yea its kino

[distant mural]

Just give me headtaker on every weapon lol😂

[primal zealot]

yes

[hybrid plover]

Tbh a resourceless means of dealing with bosses can be considered a utility in itself

[primal zealot]

and give the pickaxe uncanny and bromentum

[hybrid plover]

And Shroudfield does enable that quite well.

[primal zealot]

i wanna cleave a hole in the universe

[distant mural]

Headtaker slaughterer is my fav combo

[hybrid plover]

It's just a matter of if you actually have a player that's good at taking advantage of that fact.

[tall torrent]

Honestly outside of bugged ritual triggers and BoN bs, most of the time u don’t “need” someone to have a skip boss button

[hybrid plover]

True. But it is nice to have when you have someone who does it and does it well.

[tall torrent]

And outside of skipping bosses shroudfield is really just roleplaying as a krak grenade

U do the exact same job as a tinker’d krak grenade

[distant mural]

Evis is also bery nice boss dmg

[meager echo]

The problem is we get like 12 bosses on everage run that's 80*12 =960k dmg.
Assuming you instantly delete the boss, it's still not enough to be better than arb/ogryn.

[tall torrent]

U just don’t have multiple charges and with very low CD

But unlike krak where u can play with enemy slotting to maximize value

Shroudfield is usually just on 1 enemy at a time

It can reliably instakill multiple Dreg ragers tho so that’s nice

@meager echo ur in HK?

Did u play the new goofy duck game lol

[meager echo]

yeah, I'm in sea region but, that sv has no players so I move to hk.

[tall torrent]

Oh

Thought u were like living in HK mb

I went to play a goofy duck tarkov game

(It’s peak)

[meager echo]

this one ?

[tall torrent]

Yes it’s peak

I built a bitcoin mining machine (insert a bunch of GPUs to make it make money) in my base and every time I open that menu my game drops frames super hard

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1351967701924446309/image0.gif

[meager echo]

I used to play lots of coop game with my friends. But they have kids now

[tall torrent]

This game is single player but someone is releasing a coop mod very soon

[cunning maple]

which weapon is best for the 20 headshot streak achievement

[normal sparrow]

Brain burst

[cunning maple]

wait does that count???

[tall torrent]

Yea

[cunning maple]

oh my god
thats how i got 19/20 that one time

thansk so much

[willow prairie]

look like slop

[tall torrent]

It’s a game that looks like meme & slop but actually has seriously competent gameplay + good progression systems

[muted peak]

Can I use power falchion like a relic sword?

I feel its powerfull enough for both horde clear and singular target

[tall torrent]

It’s much weaker mixed horde (very bad stagger breakpoints)

RB can stagger multiple ragers with energized heavy sweep & light stab

And stagger crusher with energized heavy strikedown on weakspot

Falchion has a rager stagger but it’s only energized heavy sweep on mk1 which is harder to reach and u can get stunned (combo broken) out of it

And vet doesn’t have cleave talents like zealot

[silver patrol]

the falchion is more comparable to the duelling sword

but like, much clunkier and kind of a joke while unpowered

[hybrid plover]

falchion's more like a devil's claw if it could deal with armor but no parry

[split grove]

Do you spam push atk + 1 light

in rotten armor for pow sword

do i bother with the other enhanced lights

I realized the pushatk + 1 light is like most of the damage

[tall torrent]

Single target yes

If u see a bunch of maulers just do energized light sweep at head level

Put sunder on ur power sword

[cunning haven]

i do stab + 2 lights for better stamina management

[split grove]

oh sunder

right

[frank basin]

moooe dmg

[hallow drift]

wot

It's just stuck up there lmao

[silver patrol]

have they buffed gunners in some ways

[dry cloak]

no

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[silver patrol]

well not in quality

[dry cloak]

Heh vet can have 7 shot revolver

[uncut pebble]

This is just wrong.

Both of your statements are.

[silver patrol]

you are entitled to your own opinions

[uncut pebble]

That's a funny way of spelling "facts."

[tepid otter]

ahh, duality of darktide

[tame lodge]

I mean, if you compare something to dueling sword

You better be right

But it's the dueling sword

So high chances you aren't

Dueling Sword at best 1 shots 6k hp crusher

Falchion at best 3 hits 6k hp crusher

So yeah

Good luck comparing something to the dueling sword

[elder vessel]

DS is better left out of any sort of balance discussion unless the discussion is nerfing it into the damn ground

[cunning haven]

dueling sword should get energised on special activation like power sword. it is only fair

[silver patrol]

i agree, but unpowered it should be like the current DS

[frail citrus]

hard disagree

DS is so bad

[elder vessel]

its true

F tier trash

[frail citrus]

to make it better you should only have to click M1

so stupid that u have to hold it

only lights

[tame lodge]

Oh ok

So it is not comparable to dueling sword

[frail citrus]

why have 2 dueling swords that are the same, might as well give the new one a buff

when you power it and get a kill, all enemies in the arena die

[frail citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-funny-smile-happy-gif-7621419476068285580

i love you dreg gunner

❤️❤️❤️

come kiss me on my mouth 😙

[unreal nova]

No, you do a thrust that sends a windcutter blade out to one shot anything in the direction you face.

[frail citrus]

i like it

let’s also…. nerf the plasma gun

and all lasguns

the roughneck will be balanced

[serene bough]

Lol

[serene bough]

No weapon should be like DS

Both in regards to how powerful it is and how boring it is to use

[frail citrus]

what???

are you serious? what do you know about this game

[serene bough]

What do you mean

[void dragon]

People are SERIOUSLY defending the DS? What's next? They are also defending the Psword?

[frail citrus]

Yes…

[thin stone]

I love power sword 6

But I like catachan knife more

[frail citrus]

Dude every weapon in this game should be on the same level as dueling sword

[thin stone]

Which knife is better?

[frail citrus]

If I can’t kill the enemies in one hit then what’s even the point

[serene bough]

This is bait and I will not bite

[frail citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/911103601781407808/1395022886183501844/convert.gif

[unreal nova]

Mk 6 usually. Mk 3 is really only for zealot.

[frail citrus]

i was gonna say i’m pretty sure mk6

but mk3 on zealot stealth

[unreal nova]

And for a very specific set up.

[frail citrus]

is pretty okay, i don’t like it

[unreal nova]

Mk 6 still works there.

Been messing with it.

But is legit only time mk 3 is okay.

[frail citrus]

yes they both good, i like them both especially on zealot

but they don’t fit my playstyle

I used to play stealth zealot back in like 2024 tho

[unreal nova]

There's sarcasm, you know.

[unreal nova]

It's even better now.

[frail citrus]

really? i feel like fotf is still their best ult

[void dragon]

Yeah, just woke up and learned that they stole me rashus so not in a good mood

[azure narwhal]

Fotf and piety is still the build

[unreal nova]

Fury is good. I just mean shroud is better now than before.

[frail citrus]

hmmm maybe, i’ve been seeing a lot of people run it with thunderhammer over knife but maybe they’re just not tapped in

[silver patrol]

no, how did you get that from that phrase

[frail citrus]

i’m not really enjoying zealot as of late tho

i’ve never been a big zealot enjoyer

[unreal nova]

Naw, TH is for boss decimation.

[azure narwhal]

Yeah shoroudfield thammer with martyr is for funny one taps but not as good at overall match dps, sustain and survivability as fotf + piety thammer build

[unreal nova]

Just recover them.

[frail citrus]

well that’s what i usually use stealth for honestly lol

other than picking up team

otherwise i don’t really see a reason for me to use shroudfield if its not boss melting

[void dragon]

Genius! O knew I could rely on you to get idea to save me Krak sandwich rashun cargo Karien

[unreal nova]

I use it to just stab annoying shits so they die faster. Bonus makes solo pickups easier.

[frail citrus]

very true, your are pretty much carrying your team with shroudfield

[unreal nova]

Ppl been using kraks on everything now though.

[frail citrus]

unless you’re like picking them up in for and stuff

[frail citrus]

i be using my grenades on everything too, that 60 second recovery makes me so greedy

[tame lodge]

"SHOULD BE"

[silver patrol]

i wasn't talking to you with it

[unreal nova]

I frag stuff too. Ppl then complain I have frags over kraks.

[tame lodge]

The full sentence is

[frail citrus]

i also prefer frags over krak

[tame lodge]

"i agree, but unpowered it should be like the current DS"

[void dragon]

Yeah, many leg-ete-mate-lee stolen ingredients for me sandwiches, AND THEY STOLE THEM! months of effort and now they must pay

[tame lodge]

Should be implies it isn't

[frail citrus]

3 grenades means 3 stuns, plus imo the over time damage is pretty good even compared to krak

like it’s not killing then and certainly not instantly

[unreal nova]

You can have my lot. I frag on everything anyway.

[frail citrus]

for me, the frags are for when i think “i need breathing room right now”

[unreal nova]

Don't trust randos to run smoke.

[serene bough]

Im still debating between kraks or shredders

[silver patrol]

read better bro

[serene bough]

Currently w/ rotten armor and gardens i feel kraks are almost mandatory

[frail citrus]

both are good, it honestly just depends on what your loadout is

and the conditions

[meager echo]

If you are using ps6, there is no point taking frag over krak/ smoke/

[serene bough]

Tbh sometimes I feel a 2 vet 2 krak comp is sometimes needed

[unreal nova]

That's havoc. I wouldn't be running recon lul there.

[void dragon]

Than god, then you will not be mad when you learn that I already took yours for the cause last week

[meager echo]

The only use for frag is ragers pack

[tame lodge]

Already am

[unreal nova]

Or recon exe stance.

[tame lodge]

[silver patrol]

i was talking about an hypothetical powered ds

[frail citrus]

waaaay more uses than that

[unreal nova]

You wot?

[serene bough]

Im currently trying helbore exe for havoc and im struggling to adjust from VoC

[frail citrus]

shredders are good, infinitely more versatile

so are leaks

kraks*

[unreal nova]

Or to make space cos randoms can't make space for me to exe stance.

[frail citrus]

i find myself using it mostly on downed teammates and letting the grenades do CC while I pick them up

[void dragon]

Why randoms don't like protecting team?

Everytime I run something that needs cover to do it's job I have to do it myself

[unreal nova]

I know the feel, keep forgetting I don't have the stagger.

[frail citrus]

because sometimes the emperors light doesn’t shine as brightly for them

[unreal nova]

Makes clutching spicier.

[mild hill]

you shouldn’t trust your teammates

[void dragon]

Unpolished bunch

[frail citrus]

you could be the best teammate you could ask for, if you know what it means to be a good teammate

and sometimes honestly

all you need is a good teammate who can glue the team together to win

[void dragon]

I shouldn't, but I do! That's why I play "protect the Sparkhead" with me ogryn or arby

[frail citrus]

my psyker protects you

other way around

[unreal nova]

Naw. Team was trash. I rescued them only for them to run off ahead and get overheaded.

And dogged.

[frail citrus]

well then that’s their fault LOL

[void dragon]

A classic

[frail citrus]

i don’t do that with ppl, if you run ahead and die then oh well!

[mild hill]

as long as you know it’s wrong then play however you’d like

[frail citrus]

stay with us next time!

[unreal nova]

I'm like, you karks already made me solo pogryns on my exestance recon build.

So 0 melee nodes.

And you all run off right after I picked you all up.

[frail citrus]

what’s the point of you being here if it’s not to play the game for me??

i just want to kill the people, that’s all i care about!

[void dragon]

People that rush ahead stupidly: die
People that retreat and fight in choke points: survive

Is that shrimple

But the speed running zealot doesn't get it

[unreal nova]

More like, ppl who stick, good. Run off and someone goes down.

And I can't shoot through walls damnit.

I'm not an FGS psyker.

[frail citrus]

me neither

i don’t like how the attack sound cuts out voice lines

[unreal nova]

I can wall hack only visually.

[frail citrus]

i use the regular blaze sword it does what it needs to do

[void dragon]

Issue is that there's plenty of enemies for them to kill behind, it would not kill them to turn and fight the ones trying to eat the team

Quite the opposite

[frail citrus]

wellllll technically

if the whole team CAN keep up

[rustic viper]

Thoughts on bolt pistol? I'm fairly new but I'm having a lot of fun with it

[frail citrus]

you can outrun those guys behind you

[frail citrus]

pretty good i think in the current meta

[sudden cedar]

Bolt Pistol is a very good weapon option.

[frail citrus]

i don’t really use it but i feel like i see a lot of it

[sudden cedar]

A very good weapon option that should have Puncture as a blessing for the extra bleed damage.

[unreal nova]

Fun, but needs a slight damage buff imo.

It's the, that karker ran off with 4 hp alive after bleeding gun.

[mild hill]

it’s perfectly fine imo

[unreal nova]

Not really once you hear 3 real dogs. Gotta stop to push them. Then a mutie, then you hear cackling...

Ontop of the horde you are trying to run past to catch up to the speedrunning zealot.

[turbid ibex]

Main reason for using bistol is mostly the blessing that increases the radius of all your explosions

Cause it affects grenades

[unreal nova]

You want lethal prox and puncture on Bistol.

Flak/Maniac.

Flamers need 2 headshots.

I think gunners as well.

[jade flower]

Can I ask what curios I should use for havoc?

[sudden cedar]

What class are you running?

[unreal nova]

Toughness, Toughness, Toughness.

Vet.

[sudden cedar]

All toughness on Veteran will cause poxbursters to one-shot you. You do not want that.

[jade flower]

righto thanks

[sudden cedar]

1 HP and the rest should be Toughness.

That will make it so you can survive a Poxburster explosion.

[unreal nova]

If you want safety, take toughness and hp for the subnodea.

Pinged wrong person.

Geh.

[sudden cedar]

I appreciate the advice and the idea.

[unreal nova]

Things jumped when I was holding to reply. Phone is annoying for that.

[sudden cedar]

Since you can get 15% HP from Curios, i wonder if that maximum more 6% is necessary to achieve the desired outcome.

[jade flower]

when it comes to the minor perks for curios what is suggested?

[unreal nova]

3x toughness for sub.

[sudden cedar]

Combat Ability Regeneration, Toughness and 2x Gunner Damage Resistance.

[unreal nova]

Vets want as much toughness they can get.

[jade flower]

much appreciated again.

[sudden cedar]

The last one can be anything, Revive Speed is better now then it was before, but i can see Corruption Resistance or Extra Health being useful too.

[unreal nova]

Rest is to taste. Gunner resist, CDR, HP, rev speed.

[sudden cedar]

With the recent changes to Ability Cooldowns, CDR is even more important.

Sure, maybe not for Exec Stance, but for Voice of Command for sure.

[turbid ibex]

And infiltrate

[jade flower]

I haven't used stance in a while I'm so used to being a toxic MOBA player and shouting at my team mates to motivate them

[sudden cedar]

Infiltrate, of course.

Being toxic does not improve morale.

[jade flower]

I meant the ability not actually being toxic. Just incase.

[sudden cedar]

And in case you might ask yourself that question "Why only 2x Gunner Resistance?", it is because math and coding makes it so it does not work the way one might think.

I think when you run 3x Gunner Resistance it ends up being more like 48% instead of 60% one might assume.

[meager echo]

2 is 36% total reduction
3 is 48.8% total reduction

[olive halo]

Yeah it's 20%, 36% and then 49% iirc

[static radish]

lads for a melee vet build, what do you think is the best keystone?

[turbid ibex]

WS

[static radish]

alright

[unreal nova]

Stab 3 things, shoot one thing dead, stab 3 things.

[static radish]

too much work

ill stab stab stab

and stich to gun if i remember

[unreal nova]

Ensures the ranged crit and buffs your stab speed.

[static radish]

yeah i know

but i probably wont remember in the heat of the moment

just not sure if i use power sword, falchion or shovel

[turbid ibex]

Pord

[unreal nova]

I know. You can also shoot a poxwalker for the buff.

Last resort.

[static radish]

fair

i still need to make a "lore accurate vet"

[unreal nova]

That's lasgun pewpew only.

[static radish]

and shovel

[unreal nova]

Is hell unless you get a good team.

[static radish]

i know

the las gun doesnt feel too good

or i can the 🤢 recon las

[turbid ibex]

You could use helbore

[static radish]

i could use helbore true

but the charge mechanic is too hard for my smooth brain

[cobalt sparrow]

had recon las vet without a keystone last night

[turbid ibex]

Classic

[static radish]

had a recon las vet who didnt fucking let anyone else grab ammo

[cobalt sparrow]

also classic

800/1000 ammo I NEED DIS

[static radish]

mhm

i need to use numeric ui again

so i can call out people for taking ammo when they shouldn't

[unreal nova]

If you aren't returning for it, I'm grabbing anyway.

[static radish]

oh no that's fair

whats not fair is me running towards ammo and then someone else with like...10 bullets used takes it when i am yellow

[unreal nova]

I just ping more annoyedly when full.

[static radish]

also allows me to see when I shouldn't grab ammo

[unreal nova]

Cos VIc lives on tins fine.

[static radish]

Vlc?

[unreal nova]

Mark 6c.

Green one.

[static radish]

oh wait

whats Cos then

[unreal nova]

Because.

[static radish]

i am so confused

[unreal nova]

Shortform.

Be-cos.

[static radish]

what gun is then VI6

[unreal nova]

Recon.

[static radish]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

now im not as confused

[unreal nova]

VIc is the green one

[static radish]

gotcha

still gotta try the no ammo penance

[unreal nova]

Do note I mean in like damnation or so.

[static radish]

i dont do auric

feels too hard for me

[unreal nova]

Havoc nukes ammo lul.

[static radish]

not surprised

[unreal nova]

But yeah, VIc only needs like 3-4 tins a mission unless you are forced to shoot EVERY SINGLE THING.

And is mostly cos I magdump bosses.

[static radish]

fair

i once saw a vet mow through a deamon host with melee...

i wonder what he was using

pretty sure with was a vet

[unreal nova]

Could be anything tbh. Though if they run bolter, they can solo DH yeah.

[static radish]

i wish there was some kind of build where you could spend as much time as possible invisible

but alas, that'd be broken af

or something, overwatch would let you attack and stay invisible still but still had the +33% cooldown

[static radish]

also, why is the power sword better than both of them?

forgot to ask

[unreal nova]

Because it's THAT strong even with the nerf. Only thing it lacks is basically mobility.

[static radish]

but what's so good about it? thats the part i dont get sorry

[unreal nova]

Your dodges will be arse lvl.

[turbid ibex]

Pord is just insane

[turbid ibex]

Everything except the mobility

[static radish]

good cleave crit damage the such?

[turbid ibex]

It has effectively 40 cleave

[tame lodge]

Good powered mode
And finesse scaling yeah

[unreal nova]

I already said it. You get DAMAGE. It can kill crushers. You just have no dodge.

[static radish]

gotcha

what are good blessings for it then?

[tame lodge]

Power Cycler + Sunder/Brutal Momentum

People are leaning more towards sunder these days

[turbid ibex]

Power cycler is absolutely mandatory however

[static radish]

gotcha

[calm shard]

I may not be forced to but by god I am going to be shooting every single thing

I did not build exe stance to not use my gun

[static radish]

same

but i use the vigitlant auto gun with survivalist

or whatever the ammo perk is called

so unless i see a big group of "taggable" enemies im not unloading

[midnight wyvern]

this event is great, just had 5 plogryns pushed down my teams throat

[tame lodge]

Should've destroyed instead of collected

Smh

[sudden cedar]

I had the same spawn, 5 Plague Ogryns plus a Beast.

Was amazing.

And two ration stacks later another 2 plague ogryns

[meager echo]

I wish they have different buttons to collect the ration thing.

It the same buttons as primary and 2nd weapons making me swap weapon everytime i try to collect.

[unreal nova]

Because they wanted the dumb pick system.

Controllers get to pick between accidentally dropping kit/crate/stimms or inspect weapon.

[meager echo]

but at least it's fun

[unreal nova]

Destroying is better.

If you don't wanna accidentally mess up.

[sudden cedar]

Where's the fun in that?

[unreal nova]

Losing because the med kit got wasted next to a medicae station.

[meager echo]

it's summon more bosses, just let the other guys collect it

[unreal nova]

Pubs are awful, you know.

[sudden cedar]

They are a difficulty modifier

[unreal nova]

I already have to solo pogryns on dumb meme builds because I have no clue how they went down.

And I'm not you.

[sudden cedar]

Indeed.

You are instead.. you!

🫂

[unreal nova]

A.k.a. throw dice to clutch moment.

And then watch one of them leave because they don't wanna wait or expect me to die.

[sudden cedar]

[unreal nova]

Cos what can an exe stance recon vet with frags do?

[sudden cedar]

Throwing Frags.

[unreal nova]

No, magdump the pogryn and running around shooting pain in the butts.

[sudden cedar]

Instructions unclear. Throwing more frag grenades.

[unreal nova]

I mean, it is extra bleed damage, I guess?

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[unreal nova]

But yeah. Pain.

[sudden cedar]

There is Serrated Blade, now with double the bleed stacks.

[dapper coyote]

It's funny

Let me hit with the stock of the gun

bleeds

[void dragon]

Question: if there is a nerf to the survivalist aura, changing it's internal CD from 5 to something like 15 sec, how would that affect its actual power? Would it be more balanced? Or make it not worth all of a sudden?

[tall torrent]

Still best veteran aura but that kind of nerf is like asking for a review bomb

[void dragon]

I mean, if you get hit by the stock of a gun I'm sure you might end up bleeding, just as me and any human

[dapper coyote]

Oh yea, let me hit the carapace of a crusher in the stomach

[void dragon]

If they review bomb on frigging DS nerfs nothing will make them happy, bunch of crybabies

[dapper coyote]

With the end of my gun

[tall torrent]

There’s a difference

You’re asking to make it 3 times worse

That magnitude is pretty bonkers

[void dragon]

It's an hypothetical case, we know ObeseFish will not do it

And the number was an extreme too, just to draw the "what if..."

[tall torrent]

it depends entirely on what the changed-to-value is

your number in this case just happens to be ridiculous

[void dragon]

What would be a good non-riduculous number?

[tall torrent]

make it class baseline kit and not an aura choice in the first place

[void dragon]

Do we need even more powerful veteran?

[meager echo]

as long as survivalist is an aura, no other aura will be taken.

[void dragon]

(Maybe yes but...)

[tall torrent]

I don't mind it

vet is not half as strong as psyker

[tame lodge]

Yeah

So I can slander Arby's even harder

[void dragon]

Zealot on its way to be the 5th strongest class in the game, I feel

[tame lodge]

So Reddit users still calling vet unplayable

Like the ones in gen chat yesterday

[tall torrent]

zealot problem is just weapon/blessing

veteran is sorta similar issue but power sword exists

[analog mural]

It's already been nerfed 3 times and is still one of the most commonly picked auras

[tall torrent]

if relic blade had perfect strike zealot would be much closer on par

[tame lodge]

And I'd slander wrath even harder

[void dragon]

Ammo = good
More ammo = more good

Makes sense to me, it should NEVER Be an aura

[tame lodge]

Still mad that DevaStrike internal name is infinite cleave on crits

[meager echo]

Before new tree, zealot used to be the zdps - full support niche class.
Now he's just selfish dps with little to none utility.

[void dragon]

Don't love that, even it's stagger perks are comically useless

[tall torrent]

or if TH was actually good

either/or would be nice

[void dragon]

Thammer good, that must be a dream

I wish the Sparkhead dreaming this reality dreamed that

[tall torrent]

TH is thematically a cool weapon, unfortunately it's also the worst designed melee in the game

and it's purely due to its stats being ass lol

[calm shard]

well yeah but it has good boss damage so have you considered it deserves to be bad

(holding power sword for comedic effect)

[void dragon]

Still believe zealot blitzes need FAR more utility, storm nades are fine but fire isn't that useful compared to Ogryn ones

[meager echo]

arb can regen nade

[tall torrent]

immolation grenade is really strong

however

u rely on pickups

[meager echo]

orgyn can stun boss with the box of hurt. But with the taunt you don't even need that. Just pick rock to destroy muti.

[tame lodge]

If you lose dog

[tall torrent]

and zealot can't build gun to 1 tap things well

[tame lodge]

Which is a crime

You will pick dog

And you will like it

[void dragon]

Dog is not only life but also quite good

[heavy rover]

But I keep dog at mourningstar so I know they're safe

Can't stand having little buddy in harm's way

[tame lodge]

Your dog will grow fat, take him for a walk

😭

[meager echo]

to be fair, if arb go dog, he has better specialist ttk than zealot
If he go lone wolf, he has better utility than zealot

[tame lodge]

And still can't 1 shot crushers

[tall torrent]

man I wish TH was actually good

[void dragon]

One of the reasons why I complain that the zealot lacks utility is that all seems focused on its survivability and melee prowes, stagger is not good, buffs for team are few, doesn't feel that it can do something particularly miraculous as their faith would suggest, so they feel generic melee reject

[heavy rover]

Nah, for exercise he grabs a rashun and the ogryns chase him around all day

[void dragon]

Don't we all?

[meager echo]

And the pros keep complain about books being strong, now zealot has no identity.

The pure dps no-one want in the team.

[void dragon]

Never had tbh, book spam was no identity

[tall torrent]

zealot is not even pure dps

[void dragon]

Was a symptom

[tame lodge]

Book was never good 🚬

And I know this is a crazy statement

[tall torrent]

zealot is only better at boss if u shroud

[fair shale]

Zealot is that funny guy who runs around with no hp and thwacks things with a hammer

[tame lodge]

But zealot is better off with fury or shroud

People still on that havoc 1.0 mindset

[tall torrent]

vet does higher boss, higher mixed horde, better anti-carapace, while having better guns

[meager echo]

The dmg he bring to the table is not enough to consider.

[void dragon]

Zealot needs to be able to anime cut space-time to compete with Veteran now

[tame lodge]

Still better than Arby's

Because Arby's can't even 1 shot Maulers

💀

[tall torrent]

they did help zealot tree a lot but it still has like, core underlying problems

besides weapons

[void dragon]

Is it? Im currently feeling more willing to play arby than zealot

[tall torrent]

like, piety is still the best keystone on zealot lol

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Zealot could always outmelee Arby's

[void dragon]

Sure, but I feel Arby is by far better utility

[meager echo]

arbys does not need to one shot maulers. He put them to the ground then perma stun with shock mine.

[tame lodge]

Or you could just kill them

Boom they're dead

What are they going to do when dead

[meager echo]

you can't kill armour packs fast enough

[void dragon]

Congratulations you killed one, deal with he other 9

[tame lodge]

On it

[void dragon]

Oops your team died

[tame lodge]

But I didn't

So not my fault

[meager echo]

i mean, i can see zealot is way more fun to play than arbi, but he's weaker.

[void dragon]

Not untrue

[tall torrent]

the funnier thing to me is that zealot's 1 actual niche over every other class effectively boils down to roleplaying as a krak grenade more often than not

[tame lodge]

Woops

Just killed the 9k hp crusher

And another

And another

And another

And another

And another

And another

[void dragon]

Nah, I had more fun as a dog caretaker feeding me mastiff heretics than doing zealot

[tame lodge]

Oh what's that? Arby's still struggling with one?

Yeah lemme kill it for him

And another as well

And another

[meager echo]

Nothing beat watching high skill zealots using throwing knife.

It's the most impressive thing in this game.

[void dragon]

Krak made cosmetic for zealot

[tall torrent]

nah

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-damn-good-deal-good-deal-id-make-that-deal-gif-27676387

Oh and another

[tall torrent]

genuinely more often than not, shroud is just roleplaying as a krak grenade

[tame lodge]

Well that was the whole crusher pack

Arby's still on the second crusher of the pack?

Damn

[surreal rune]

if demo team was nerfed slightly

[void dragon]

Actually regenerating Krak nades on zealot, glorious

[tall torrent]

like, outside of skipping captains and chunking monsters, u do the exact same thing a krak grenade does

[tame lodge]

Oh but ultimately

Don't let me slandering Arby's stop you from playing Arby's

I'm just not the public target for Arbites

[void dragon]

So what you mean is that a second veteran with Kraks is worth an extra zealot in the team?

[tame lodge]

So I can freely slander it

Maybe I'll be the public target of the next class

[tall torrent]

why a 2nd vet

[fair shale]

I like arb, good for clutches ime

[meager echo]

second vet is significant better than fotf / shroud zealot

not even close

[void dragon]

Enough Kraks to kill anything and everything and keep up with it's CD to simulate having a 5th player while having a veteran in the team

[tall torrent]

oh

I thought u meant as in the first vet doesn't run krak

[void dragon]

That would be useful, we actually want to make zealot but better

[meager echo]

the class need more utility, or ridiculous dmg buff.

[void dragon]

Also I find that if you aim to the feet of captains when shield explodes you can simulate a mini stab of a zealot with kraks

Seriously Its hilarious to me how much Kraks and zealots are related

[serene bough]

Ill take anything over shroud zealot

I had one game with a shroud zealot and it was easily the most miserable game ive ever played

2 vet 2 krak seems pretty good this patch like others have mentioned since there's just a ridiculous amount of armor

[meager echo]

I've play with good one, but i don't think shroud is doable in pubs run.

[void dragon]

Just slap a CC machine arby to protect them and a dog go eat ranged enemies and we have a game (optional ogryn is also advised)

[meager echo]

The moment zealot go invis, your average team mates will die.

[serene bough]

Tbh sometimes its more than just skill

You just end up aggroing too much high hp enemies and dumping them on others

[tall torrent]

Shroud with toughness & DR subnode is really fun and doesn’t troll team as hard

[serene bough]

Sometimes I feel like im just trying to pass a dps check with rotten crushers

[tall torrent]

Still roleplaying as a krak grenade most of the time tho

[void dragon]

So Krak nade is one of the styles that zealot has... does he have another one? Doesn't feels that many use diva singer nowadays

[meager echo]

Because chorus uptime suck now. Zealots go dps build -> no utility -> harder for everyone else.

[tall torrent]

Zealot has utility

By giving psyker and vet 10% more crit chance

(It’s actually good)

[serene bough]

Ill take fotf over shroud

[void dragon]

No doubt, but that almost feels that zealot utility is just cheerleading

[tall torrent]

No joke, completely unironically, that 10% crit chance for team subnode for piety is pretty good

Because psyker and vet do way more damage with 10% crit chance

Only way u don’t get value out of it is if u get an ogryn stack

[fair shale]

Im ngl I wish the scoreboard would go as far as to breakdown how much damage you're lending out via auras like crit chance/the shots someone would take with survivalist etc etc etc

[meager echo]

I think just pick a 2nd vet to chuck krak -> more net dmg. Can help with specialists as well.

[void dragon]

I know, crit chance isn't that easy to stack so high, the 10% goes a long way

[tall torrent]

Crit chance is not hard to stack up

But there is a noticeable difference between a 20% base melee crit chance power sword and a 30% base melee crit chance one

[serene bough]

Im okay w/ a frontline zealot

[void dragon]

To 100%? Am I sleeping on something?

[serene bough]

At least if they get bonked overhead a few times they have until death

[tall torrent]

U don’t need 100% crit chance most of the time

40-60% maximum is perfectly fine as long as ur dps is not fully crit dependent

[void dragon]

I think I saw some reach 70ish % so maybe would reach 90% with relative ease

[fair shale]

Tbf 1/5th vs ~1/3rd is a massive difference

[tall torrent]

U can hit 100% melee crit chance on zealot (outside of ability) but it’s not worth going for

[serene bough]

Honestly all things considered id rather they just tune down rotten armor and blue stim

[gilded wraith]

Wonder if extra clip breaks any blessings in interesting ways?

[serene bough]

Instead of further dealing with this bulletsponge high armor enemy blob

[meager echo]

Blue stim need to be delete from the game.

[void dragon]

Blue stim makes a fodder enemy take 6 branx overhead strikes, is crazy

[tall torrent]

Branx overhead is not that high damage

[meager echo]

If you don't have any cooldowns, fighting blue ragers is pure cbt.

[tall torrent]

It’s like 2k on crusher weakspot

[void dragon]

But on a fodder enemy?!

[tall torrent]

And ~5k with max thrust

Which still isn’t that much

[distant dune]

So that penance On Overwatch, does it require to literally never be hit with a melee attack ever or just take no health damage?

[void dragon]

But on a SMALL REGULAR NON ELITE GUNNER ENEMY?!!!!

[meager echo]

I believe it's no health dmg.

[tall torrent]

U just need to take 0 health damage from melee attacks

Which means it can be cheesed if u jump off the map at start and the mission is completed with u never having been rescued

[distant dune]

…

Don’t suppose I could wrangle a group of folks from here yo help with this XD

[tall torrent]

Yea as it turns out some just have more faith in nurgle than others

[serene bough]

Yeah ragers are the biggest problem

Well, captians too

[tall torrent]

What time do u wanna do it

[serene bough]

But blue ragers are just crazy

[void dragon]

Faith and LOTS of drugs

[distant dune]

Right now if possible XD
Been trying for this penance for ages it feels but I somehow fuck up every time

[meager echo]

I saw blue ragers slowly kill my ogryn in a havoc run. Can't do any shit to help him.

[serene bough]

So if I believe in the Emperor hard enough ill be immune to dmg?

[tall torrent]

Alr lemme get on

[void dragon]

I think they also get cc immune?

[tall torrent]

VoC already kinda did that

[distant dune]

Want me to off myself or actually try?

[serene bough]

Lol true

[serene bough]

Idk about immune but i think theyre only staggered by bull rush

[void dragon]

So blue stim is piss toughness but for nurgle followers? New lore acquired

[tall torrent]

It’s prob easier if u just jump off map at start

[distant dune]

Okie

[meager echo]

you can cc blue enemies with cooldown.

[tall torrent]

Blue stim enemies are immune to all stagger except forced stagger

[tall torrent]

Need ur FS code

[serene bough]

What does forced stagger

Which abilities/weapons

[meager echo]

Stuff like VoC knock down

[tall torrent]

Some abilities apply a forced stagger override if the base stagger fails to stagger

VoC does this

However only for enemies not in any staggered state

[serene bough]

I see I see

[tall torrent]

@distant dune need ur FS friend code

[distant dune]

4922900434

Sorry. Cat wanted to go out

Genuinely thought I’d be skilled enough for this penance but after nearly two years of playing still haven’t gotten it done >.>

[tame lodge]

As someone that often sees path recommending Infectious Zeal

I can vouch that he's not joking

But also

Ain't no one running IZ

[atomic void]

the zealot situation is crazy

i demand every melee weapon to 1 shot on zealot

[void dragon]

Every weapon in the hands of zealot should One-shot enemies, even when it doesn't swing it it should kill

[atomic void]

exactly

[sudden cedar]

I mean, that weapon does exist. It's called Dueling Sword

[vestal olive]

Is competitive urge slept on? It looks really good on the surface

especially cause its +20% base damage

[void dragon]

If zealot holds a chain sword it should transform into a DS

[hollow ibex]

Not really

It’s good but hard to afford

It’s a win more talent basically

[vestal olive]

If I'm already going down to "bring it down" it seems like a good way to path there

[tame lodge]

Sort of

You still can't proc on yourself

But the bonuses are aight

[vestal olive]

How would you compare it to the other two options? +25 toughness and 10% rending on weapons

[tall torrent]

+25 TGH is always good
+10% rending is situationally good (recon lasgun, vigilant autogun, power falchion)

my recommendation is to take both +25 TGH nodes at bottom, and the +15 TGH node at the top for 165 base toughness

then if ur using a weapon that likes that 10% rending, take it

[tame lodge]

Midchion needing 10% rending

😭

[vestal olive]

Right now I run shovel and plasma gun... was running DS before but I felt like I wanted horde clear on my melee not elite killing

[tall torrent]

@distant dune gg, sorry if I was rude to ur friend, I had a guy join into private game before and revive the person doing the penance and it didn't count

[distant dune]

Ah

All good though. Got the penance which in turn completed like three orher penances

[frigid shuttle]

tfw you just casualty instantly, no wounds

[tame lodge]

Havoc moment

[olive halo]

so does this mean everyone already recovered the whole bar?

or is it the other way around, there's much more that needs to be recovered

[tall torrent]

it's ratio between recovered/destroyed rations

but

the keybind for it is so weird

why is it bind to my weapon swap keys lolol

[olive halo]

does that actually matter to anything?

[tall torrent]

idk

[tame lodge]

Soon™

[tall torrent]

maybe the end-of-mission warning spawn is diff based on ur choice in the mission?

[tame lodge]

The main theory is that well get buffs according to recovered or destroyed

So we just wait until tomorrow

[spark helm]

Narrative and procedural consequences to be be revealed later. They mentioned it in the fs forum post about it.

[olive halo]

huh, alright thanks

[grand perch]

about 5 times the rations were recovered rather than destroyed

i think it has to do with having to pull out your ranged every time you wanna destroy

[tall torrent]

The keybind for it is just so bad

[grand perch]

also people dont realise this is 40k, making it guaranteed the outcome will be worse for helping people

[calm shard]

If you' already going down there for BiD/Focus Target might as well

[grand perch]

its just a 40k scientific fact

[calm shard]

If your weapons don't need rending

[heavy rover]

Sah, why would you destroy rashuns

[tall torrent]

Nah 25 TGH better

[grand perch]

[reverb fart sound.mp4]

[tall torrent]

Comp urge could use some buffs to consistency ngl

2.5% chance for 8s is just really bad

And it’s only kills from teammates

Would be better if it was like 8% chance from teammates’ kills and 5% chance from ur own kills

[cobalt sparrow]

Agreed, they’re definitely tainted rations

They’re dooming us all

[turbid ibex]

big if true

[heavy rover]

No they're just spicy rashuns. What could possibly go wrong

[grand perch]

https://preview.redd.it/qm3gpf1bihwf1.jpeg?width=1005&auto=webp&s=78eb16d6bb8713ddb0770182831b4fda07144ebe

[tame lodge]

Streets saying we get ranged buffs if enough rations are destroyed

Like 100 % ammo

And infinite cleave

But nothing confirmed yet

[serene bough]

Would any of you eat stolen rations from a rot infested enemy who are known for their plague bearing potential

Oops didn't mean to ping you my bad

[spark helm]

It's that "ya'll are fucked either way" kind of thing it seems.

40k got a whole lot of things going on where the universe itself punishes attempts at altruism and basic empathy when it's playing the bigger role in decisions being made.

Not like the imperium particularly treats the humans that have to live with it well in the first place. Systemically, it's already vicious and hateful as hell so big shrug ig.

Curious to see what it ends up looking like either way.

[olive halo]

Am hungry ogryn... Can has extra rashun as a treat?

[spark helm]

Given the conditions that are seen for people living abject squalor, violence on all sides and neglect and exploitation actually yeah, I wouldn't surprised what some are willing to consume to just stay alive.

Desperation goes crazy when starvation is on the table. People will do a lot when food and water are on the table but not in guts.

And we're talking about 40k here. People that are forced to live low are already eating them sludge worms, shoving corpse starch in my mouth, etc.

[serene bough]

Heretic

[sharp epoch]

yes

[faint beacon]

So we're faced with Rebellion of them joining the 6th or them becoming groaners or walkers

I'd rather deal with the ladder if im going to be honest

[vestal olive]

Shovel lovers: What perks/blessings do you like on your shovel?

[vagrant sphinx]

so what's the point of this event?

[calm shard]

uncanny is mandatory, decimator is obvious next best blessing

carapace+maniacs for perks I think?

always use Mk 3 shovel

[vestal olive]

this is what ive been rocking atm

[tame lodge]

Fun

[sudden cedar]

Nothing like fighting 5 Plague Ogryns at once.

[tame lodge]

[red robin]

thrust on the mk3 and mk7 shovel neat

[hollow ibex]

Don’t need thrust on mk3 tbh

[calm shard]

just use the non folding shovel save yourself the pain

[vestal olive]

Decimator un-procs very fast and easily so im unsure about it

[tame lodge]

I don't use shovel

However when I did

[calm shard]

it un procs if you miss an attack yes

[tame lodge]

Uncanny Skullcrusher

Easy

[calm shard]

You either use uncanny decimator, or skullcrusher

serrated blade is very good with shovel because of its piss poor damage

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I hate it. It’s very powerful but I use SC

[hybrid plover]

Your usage of heavies makes or breaks how well decimator works out for you.

Because if you know you're not gonna hit something, you either wanna block cancel or hold a heavy to reach a target to keep the stacks going.

[calm shard]

What if I know I'm going to hit something but the server disagrees, plays the hit sound, and I lose my decimator stacks anyways

[hybrid plover]

Skill issue

Jokes aside, yeah it sucks when that happens but as far as I've seen, it doesn't happen often.

[silver patrol]

i've had rubber banding happen at least twice a game

i've also seen some people getting disconnected when it happens

[frigid shuttle]

[hybrid plover]

That's just Sword.

[sharp epoch]

latter 🤓

[sonic kayak]

My favorite Vet build: Sword and Gun

[vapid void]

holy fucking peak

i wanna do a revolver build but they gave this thing no ammo

[tame lodge]

Because it's the best weapon in the game

(Auric wise)

[mortal aspen]

ok but double barrel exists

https://tenor.com/view/gun-db-shotgun-gif-21597283

[steel veldt]

first mission with Smokes

Whoever said that smoke penace doesn't last long, you were right

[hollow ibex]

Would prob be even faster in mortis trials

[frigid shuttle]

oh wow

skitarius makes me actually want to play power sword

cheatmod

[slow spade]

Psword is bad trust me c:

sponsored by Nurgle

[stuck gorge]

psword doesnt feel fun to use

[frigid shuttle]

I hated it when I had to manually spam special activation

[stuck gorge]

i wanna bonk stuff, not spend half the mission powering it up

[frigid shuttle]

but the weakness of my flesh has been replaced.

[sharp epoch]

its not that hard to use the special 😭

[frigid shuttle]

ok?

It's super annoying for me.

And I didn't enjoy it.

[midnight wyvern]

I enjoy enemies dying to death

Psword does it better than anything else

shrimple as

[frigid shuttle]

it's actually mindblowing how good it feels with skitarius.

[sharp epoch]

mods like that its like the game is played for you

[hollow ibex]

Skitarius is such a life saver

I can’t play half the weapons in the game without it

[hollow ibex]

I’ll take that over carpal tunnel

[sharp epoch]

its more that it can chain complex inputs rather than just full auto/keep swinging which is just for the spam clicking

[hollow ibex]

Yup and I think that’s ok

[frigid shuttle]

I'd care about that argument if all weapons were some streetfighter-esque combo chain memorization ones.

[sharp epoch]

To me it just removes some of the skill expression in the game

[frigid shuttle]

but when I have relic blade on zealot

and I have to spam activate on power sword to get similar experience?=

nah, fuck that

[tame lodge]

Similar?

[frigid shuttle]

But if you enjoy that aspect, that's fine.

[tame lodge]

Hahahahah

Similar?

Hahahahah

Unfortunately Power Sword mogs Relic Blade

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-rain-sitting-in-the-rain-gif-3774267846171021835

[frigid shuttle]

not if I would have to manually activate it.

[tame lodge]

I understand but it still true

Because of that Psword is allowed to get stronger powered mode

[frigid shuttle]

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[cunning haven]

i dont play zealot, but power sword is honestly just muscle memory. it's annoying at first but once you used to it you dont even notice it

what is annoying tho is if u get hit the sword deactivates

[tame lodge]

I think atp I just accepted that I'll get carpal tunnel eventually

Master of Puppets downstroke only already took a toll

[hollow ibex]

I agree, but then people with fucked up hands like me can’t play with most of the weapons in the game

[frigid shuttle]

hopefully we'll have IRL replacements for the weakness of your flesh by then.