Like it needed more weaknesses
#veteran-class
void dragon
serene bough
Oh I just realized they nerfed duty and honor
tame lodge
Like 10 suppression value or something
void dragon
Oh I just realized they nerfed duty and honor
Now you shout more for cc? Its still quite valuable
serene bough
Recently ive been using shout for emergency stagger since tac awareness was nerfed
Mutant grabbed someone, for example
jolly plinth
duty and honor nerfed
Exe gang stay winning
turbid ibex
Now you shout more for cc? Its still quite valuable
gold toughness is still gold toughness
serene bough
Not as easy to spam anymore so it does require some thought on when to use (I agree with this decision l)
void dragon
gold toughness is still gold toughness
Indeed
bold sierra
just got a bomb ass game in H40 with infiltrate and bolter, insane boss dmg, lots of team res
serene bough
Im trying to do havoc with exe stance helbore now over voc
Im not very good at helbore yet
void dragon
Not as easy to spam anymore so it does require some thought on when to use (I ag...
Genuinely love the idea of less piss toughness
slow sky
Line up
turbid ibex
Not as easy to spam anymore so it does require some thought on when to use (I ag...
100% uptime is not possible anymore yeah
surreal rune
fair enough
bold sierra
Im trying to do havoc with exe stance helbore now over voc
i played bolter with exestance on H40, it's pretty damn good
w/ a squad that has 0 gold toughness too
bold sierra
I like las weapons, ilas my favorite (rip)
tbh I tried ilas with exec stance at the start of the patch, with marksman focus. Genuine amazing dmg, it's just the armor that's mostly the issue, but nothing krak cant fix
turbid ibex
I like las weapons, ilas my favorite (rip)
orchid hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/cat-sad-gif-26415220
Join the recon side 😈
bold sierra
krak is nice for rotten armor, basically a must tho
serene bough
with ilas, I was killing reapers in like 3 shots with exec stance and MMF
In auric you can damage max the ilas and have it 1tap mostly everything that isn't heavily armored
bold sierra
But... rotten armor
rotten armor is bad for every gun anyway lol
serene bough
Its just not a competitive pick for havoc bc armor elite balls
bold sierra
Its just not a competitive pick for havoc bc armor elite balls
i played a lot of ilas be4, I think it's better than people give it credit for, especially for shocktrooper talent.
for general gunner/reaper picking and general special killing, and hell, even for horde
it's reliable
ofc, in H40
serene bough
Better flak armor ADM and larger hitbox would be much appreciated
hollow ibex
and tone down the stupid recoil
serene bough
Sometimes I whiff shots that I cant believe how close they are
midnight wyvern
https://tenor.com/view/cat-sad-gif-26415220
wah
hollow ibex
ilas mk2 can't even fire at full speed at most ranges
midnight wyvern
Kraks being buffed is really nice to help with armor
they were already good against armour lol
turbid ibex
and tone down the stupid recoil
true
calm shard
tbh I tried ilas with exec stance at the start of the patch, with marksman focus...
yeah infantry autogun does basically the same thing
just don't shoot armor with it
both have very high maniacs damage which is where gun builds shine anyways
ilas however does not have good boss damage unlike most other gun build guns
turbid ibex
also get rid of the useless gimmick of consuming more than one ammo per shot
bold sierra
ilas however does *not* have good boss damage unlike most other gun build guns
infernus helps tho, alot
i'm not topping boss dmg with ilas for sure, but always at least 100kish at the end
serene bough
they were already good against armour lol
Yes I agree but the fuse time, extra nade, and talent tree changes involve far less point tax for using
bold sierra
thinking of taking VoC with revive shout instead of gold toughness now lol
serene bough
Pls don't
mortal aspen
revive shout is like 2 nerfs in one
turbid ibex
given you cant 100% gold toughness anymore, why not
cause then you'll have even less uptime on it
turbid ibex
as long as revive shout has the cd and aoe penalties it'll continue being bad
serene bough
given you cant 100% gold toughness anymore, why not
In general its not advisable to build into abilities or talents that compensate for poor performance of your team
But esp with shout since it nerfs both the radius and the cooldown
bold sierra
i hear that
serene bough
That being said, revive speed on curios seems to be gaining popularity
Im not sure how I feel about that
turbid ibex
imo it just shouldnt have those penalties at all
instead make it so once someone has been shout-revived they cant be revived with it again unless theyre manually revived at least once or die
mortal aspen
it already has opportunity cost bc it's a talent
and instant revives are also kinda bad, imo
the player never knows they're about to be revived instantly, that just leads to immediate bonkage
Handmaiden lightspeed revives inside 5 CWs ptsd
turbid ibex
the player never knows they're about to be revived instantly, that just leads to...
you do get protection when youre revived
its like 1 second of full invulnerability and 3 with a big dr buff
serene bough
Revive shout is only good when you rez 2 or 3 people at once
Which ofc is a very rare and unlikely scenario
midnight wyvern
Revive shout is only good when you rez 2 or 3 people at once
mercy group res mentality
faint beacon
Sir a second VoC nerf has hit the Vet Class
Honestly glad the actual issue was addressed but I’m staring at the psyker buffs in disappointment
warm schooner
it'll be interesting to see what effect it has on havoc
turbid ibex
Honestly glad the actual issue was addressed but I’m staring at the psyker buffs...
psyker was def a net nerf with psykenetic aura
faint beacon
It sadly doesn’t address the nuclear shit too much either seeing they can levy it with a Warp Charge build
hollow ibex
CD talents bad
Also gives psyker shit ton of CD in warp charges
Ah yes 45 percent cdr lmfao
As usual psyker is an exception to FS’s game design principles
steep flower
not on vet tho; inherit suppression immunity
steep flower
it'll be interesting to see what effect it has on havoc
none tbh; i can tell ya that
calm shard
Honestly glad the actual issue was addressed but I’m staring at the psyker buffs...
take Just A Dream out back and shoot it
Nerf Psykinetic's Aura to only apply to the Psyker but put it back to 100%
CDR on warp charges should be an upgrade, at the absolute end of the tree
cunning haven
game is so buggy today 🙁
turbid ibex
Nerf Psykinetic's Aura to *only* apply to the Psyker but put it back to 100%
doesnt it already only apply to the psyker
cunning haven
Beast of Nurgle digest my teammate for eternity until he leave
cursor bugged on screen
couldnt mark any targets at all with focus target
and now spectating players is just blank
hollow ibex
CDR on warp charges should be an upgrade, at the absolute end of the tree
It should just be replaced with something else entirely
It’s funny how fatshart has taken the stance that cdr bad
And then proceeds to give psyker 45 percent cdr for playing the game
Least braindead FS moment
hollow ibex
Yes yes it was already there
But basically everyone else got their cdr nerfed
Warp charges is prob the single biggest source of cdr and what do they do?
Make it even easier to max out
paper salmon
My six shot revolver build got nerfed! (It's now 7 shot)
hollow ibex
My six shot revolver build got nerfed! (It's now 7 shot)
Oh yes I’ll need to try revolver sniper again lol
midnight wyvern
not on vet tho; inherit suppression immunity
I know
but it was
we were talking about suppression doing things because someone said it didn't
not that it did on vet
turbid ibex
https://tenor.com/view/caption-caption-meme-meme-random-meme-jerma-gif-366478585...
big if true
brittle turtle
Isnt it kinda insane Covering fire is kinda bonkers but almost no one mentions it ?
paper salmon
what does that even look like when reloading
With six shot, the last round to be reloaded always reloaded 2. So either that now reloads 3, or another round is added somewhere else in the reload sequence
hollow ibex
Isnt it kinda insane Covering fire is kinda bonkers but almost no one mentions i...
It’s fixed now boys! 
faint beacon
CDR on warp charges should be an upgrade, at the absolute end of the tree
Spit your shit
The warp charge builds literally dngaf about the changes
tame lodge
turbid ibex
I mean cool?
i mean hot
tame lodge
Maybe the power falchion was the friends we made along the way
....
No, I want my fucking good melee
faint beacon
It’s like yeah it’s nice it has its bugged ranged fixed
But now can you actually tweak it
Thanks
paper salmon
what does that even look like when reloading
So yeah, the last round magically reloads 3 bullets, just tested it. Shot 3 times, reload, put one round in the cylinder and went from 4 to 7.
Shot 6 times, reloaded. Put 5 rounds in the cylinder and went from 1 to 7.
Shot 7 times, reloaded. Put 5 rounds in the cylinder and went from 0 to 7.
turbid ibex
neat
warm schooner
none tbh; i can tell ya that
I don't expect it to affect high level havoc players much, but definitely I suspect it will affect players who are playing at the lower levels from what I've seen. The CDR nerfs have had pretty noticeable effects so far.
hollow ibex
Snipervolver stocks have never been so high
tame lodge
So yeah, the last round magically reloads 3 bullets, just tested it. Shot 3 time...
Does it skip the animation for the extra Bullets?
I don't know what to picture here
😭
trim badger
Melee vet still not nerfed
paper salmon
The strat might be to use the tactical reload talent. Use only 5 rounds and then reload from the reload speed buff. Animation puts 3 rounds in the chamber, get 5 back. the other 2 rounds are comfort rounds
paper salmon
Does it skip the animation for the extra Bullets?
It just reloads as if the gun still has 5 shots. But it will calculate the magazine size magic magically add numbers to your HUD
Like literally, as my character is closing the cylinder, not adding any more rounds, the HUD is still ticking up from 5-6-7
tame lodge
I got 7 more rounds on this 5 rounds revolver
unborn socket
Ranged vet not buffed enough
wish more rifles were viable
hollow ibex
wish more rifles were viable
Most of them are tbh
Unless we’re talking about havoc
But havoc is a special little boy
atomic void
the day every weapon is havoc viable is the game this game is cooked
hollow ibex
Balancing around the meme game mode has has absolutely no consequences for the game whatsoever 
unborn socket
lol i mean not every thing has to be viable you can make them work as they are
tranquil ledge
turbid ibex
big if true
tame lodge
Balancing around the meme game mode has has absolutely no consequences for the g...
Wish I could have a better experience at havoc
Woe, 15 thousand dc/crashes upon ye
Then it gets all the cool modifiers
While you get dog, burster and mutant waves at mael
hollow ibex
Then it gets all the cool modifiers
Yeah
cobalt sparrow
does plasma/psword just use “the build™”?
shy raft
While you get dog, burster and mutant waves at mael
sounds like a vet problem
tranquil ledge
Silly, Pineapples can't game
He’s good dw
hollow ibex
Power sword
silver patrol
and revolver?
distant dune
Okay because I asked in Zealot and Arbites already. Which Veteran personality is the “nicest”
Or just outright the nicest
fair shale
Professional
violet yacht
nah screw being the nicest
silver patrol
professional
fair shale
Cadian has a soft spot for the Ogryn tho, Loose Cannon is a gigantic asshole but in a good way imo
violet yacht
i cant wait until loose cannon starts talking about the necrons
shadow dagger
does boltgun collateral do nothing for stagger breakpoints even with havoc modifiers
compact oracle
what is taxe mk7's horde clear combo, its moveset scares me
shadow dagger
or is the bump to mobility more important
compact oracle
push heavy > light, looping?
silver patrol
the pinned comments has a guide
compact oracle
oh shit
bold sierra
god you already start to see videos of darktide youtubers complaining about the cd nerf and stuff
tame lodge
and revolver?
Auric Wise Zarona Revolver most likely
bold sierra
faint beacon
Fireteam also got buffed
Idk if that 2.5% extra is gonna help or not
It’s still good if you have basic ammo conservation
hybrid plover
Okay because I asked in Zealot and Arbites already. Which Veteran personality is...
Ironically, loose cannon seems be the nicest (towards their team)
Even if they are scoundrels
silver patrol
did they decrease the special effects on an energized swing
hollow ibex
Idk if that 2.5% extra is gonna help or not
Meh imo
tame lodge
did they decrease the special effects on an energized swing
Visual effects?
hybrid plover
Probably has something to do with them actually having a pretty dire background and experiencing the loss of their fellow soldiers at some point before
slow spade
There was a visual reduction patch like 2 weeks after release
But that was for Flamer and Purg staff being blindingly white
livid hill
Vet mains in shambles
slow spade
Vets on suicide watch indeed
slow spade
Exec stance + Born Leader is the new Support Vet build UwU
mortal aspen
noooo, my crutch is sligtly less absurdly overpowered
😭
i'm switching to zealot, itsover
hybrid plover
Vet mains in shambles
and now, it's time to use exe stance
livid hill
Did the covering fire change matter at all lol
slow spade
I wonder if Exec Stance + Born leader is a meme
livid hill
noooo, my crutch is sligtly less absurdly overpowered
LMAO
slow spade
Minimum 2% toughness regen team-wide sounds pretty good
livid hill
As an infil man
BASED
hollow ibex
How do people feel about covering fire going 3s to 6s
Nothing
As usual FS making buffs that don’t solve the issue
livid hill
Exec stance bolter is probably the best class to play bolter on
tame lodge
How do people feel about covering fire going 3s to 6s
The issue is that it can't proc on himself
Not timing
hollow ibex
The issue is that it can't proc on himself
Shout this louder so the idiots in the nordics can hear
It’s really incredible how they keep forgetting the lessons in successful designs
mortal aspen
I mean idk, for a DB shotty this could be a decent team buff
hollow ibex
And make the same mistakes over and over
mortal aspen
I don't think DB WS needs either Longshot or One Motion
tame lodge
I mean idk, for a DB shotty this could be a decent team buff
Just make sure to have your team next to them
So don't go running ahead
serene bough
I mean idk, for a DB shotty this could be a decent team buff
Thats what I was thinking
But idk if its worth the point
void dragon
is Lock and Load worth using in any case?
mortal aspen
again, you're not losing anything
because neither longshot nor one motion are that impactful for DB imo
serene bough
Fair point
livid hill
is Lock and Load worth using in any case?
I like it because TRIPLE BARREL SHOTGUN
Also more bolter ammo is genuinely helpful
hollow ibex
is Lock and Load worth using in any case?
7 shot revolver
For revolver sniper builds
Idk what else I’d use it for
void dragon
For revolver sniper builds
you have one of those? i dont have a revolver build so far
mortal aspen
the new bolter could use that 25% increased clip size
hollow ibex
you have one of those? i dont have a revolver build so far
Yah
Though I’m still tweaking it
And trying to figure out what I’d give up for lock and load
mortal aspen
Grenadier?
hollow ibex
Revolver sniper build lol
mortal aspen
i mean grenadier is probably not that mandatory for frags
sonic kayak
I really like you 
willow prairie
m5
livid hill
What do yall have binded as your weapon special?
Middle mouse
red robin
Trying alt key for d claw
So I get out of the habit of dodging while parry fishing
Inb4 instant death
Ngl
livid hill
I really like grenadier tho
I hope vet gets a little grenade launcher some day bc i really wanna use it alongside his infinite nades
hollow ibex
I hope vet gets a little grenade launcher some day bc i really wanna use it alon...
Given the state of rumbler doubt FS will add another one lol
livid hill
NOOO
red robin
Closest thing is the mk6 bolt pistol
livid hill
IT CAN BE LIKE AN IMPACT GRENADE
red robin
With lethal prox
livid hill
nnot enough
tame lodge
Given the state of rumbler doubt FS will add another one lol
There are going to power falchion it
So don't worry
hollow ibex
Oh for a new launcher maybe
red robin
All I’m saying, id love to get a power maul type of explosion melee that has a explosion radius blessing
Break grenade vet moreso
hollow ibex
midnight wyvern
I wonder if Exec Stance + Born leader is a meme
its genuinely not half bad
midnight wyvern
with a bunch of the other toughness generation nodes you can really juice your teams generation
red robin
60% toughness replenishment
shy raft
loose cannon has been EVERYWHERE
That personality encountered so much factions that tertium is just a vvacation for them
violet yacht
one day bro is going to start going off about some "freaky robots wearing human skin" as if hes seen necrons
void dragon
man that new ammo capacity makes so you can shoot 3 bullets of revolver and reload one and get 3 instead
shy raft
one day bro is going to start going off about some "freaky robots wearing human ...
Wh'ch makes sense why they are no longer believe in emperor, depressed, ptsd-ridden unhinged villains
If I had to fight against drukhari in melee, fight against chaos space marines, left for dead in a trench for eeks with drowning in blood, fight against khorne berserkers, I'd be same
livid hill
There are going to power falchion it
What
violet yacht
If I had to fight against drukhari in melee, fight against chaos space marines,...
wait does he actually say drukhari?
i thought it was just aeldar
faint beacon
I’m so fucking upset they just refuse to address the issue with the melee
It’s doodooshit
shy raft
yeah still have the highest damage in the game
vet has less survivability than psyker almost
shy raft
wait does he actually say drukhari?
Yeah, drukhari
red robin
man that new ammo capacity makes so you can shoot 3 bullets of revolver and relo...
Wait, 5 shots becomes how many?
hybrid plover
yeah still have the highest damage in the game
nah that's still psyker
shy raft
Professional encountered enslavers, which makes SM run crying
hybrid plover
I wonder if Exec Stance + Born leader is a meme
it's very good actually
shy raft
Professional also fought with Imperial Fists
hybrid plover
Born Leader is genuinely a good node
It is just directly competing with Demo Team.
Which is also a very good node.
void dragon
Wait, 5 shots becomes how many?
7, shoot 3 and you have to reload only one bullet, but on the process you reload 3
red robin
Ooo
red robin
7, shoot 3 and you have to reload only one bullet, but on the process you reload...
How does 7 shots interact with crucian?
violet yacht
Professional also fought with Imperial Fists
do we have a place to read all the lines
i NEED to start looking into the dumb shit these guardsman have gotten up to
shy raft
I'm not sure
Loose Cannon had to dig latrines for scions
Professional fragged their comissar
Loose Cannon kileld an innocent soldier over food
Cadian, well, cadian.
void dragon
How does 7 shots interact with crucian?
last shot gets around 67% crit chance
red robin
Nutty
faint beacon
Fatalist and Loose Cannon generally get along cause of their realist views
shy raft
Judge led a rebellion against with workers and starving people against corrupt imperial officals,
fair shale
Fatalist my favorite Arb tbh
shy raft
Agitator killed inccocent women and children and burned a whole hab block
willow prairie
Born Leader is genuinely a good node
the main draw of born leader is better close order drill consistency
faint beacon
Fanatic is an alcoholic
willow prairie
it doesn't matter pretty much
shy raft
Fatalist a real one
Fatalist is most sane person on the team
shy raft
Fanatic is a alcoholic that dosen't even remember their sermons
red robin
Fatalist is most sane person on the team
shy raft
Maul planning to arrest rogue trader herself
fair shale
I think every single time I've heard Fatalist and Cadian speak its Fatalist roasting the Cadian
shy raft
Maul is more insane than judge
shy raft
I think every single time I've heard Fatalist and Cadian speak its Fatalist roas...
Everyone roasts cadian
hybrid plover
Maul is an actual sadist
fair shale
Everyone roasts cadian
Nah some of the psykers are sympathetic
shy raft
Seer's beloved is either a shard of emperor, or a tzeentch demon
Savant cannor control their skills
fair shale
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ldb0Hnv9lB1kIo8qU?invite=c...
This is a good one tbh
agile mango
does the shout nerf even matter?
shy raft
Professional seeing dreams about Khorne
Fanatic is one booze away from Khorne berserker role
Seer knows about horus heresy too much, knwos about primarchs and canr ecite all the poersonal dialogues mfrom that era
Loner calls the emperor ' cropse-emperor' probably fallen to chaos
shy raft
does the shout nerf even matter?
Funny, no. It allows more conversative game play for veteran but no.
wild vortex
Seer knows about horus heresy too much, knwos about primarchs and canr ecite all...
Seer's beloved is extremely likely to be a part of the Emperor's soul
Given the shit he says
shy raft
Seer's beloved is extremely likely to be a part of the Emperor's soul
Also can be changer of ways
tzeentch loves to pull this kind of shit
fair shale
Could be both tbh
shy raft
seer also dreaming tzeentch's realm
red robin
Damn, redirect fire is 10% at 4 stacks, is 6 stack node worth it for the 15%?
shy raft
Could be both tbh
He has two voices in his mind, fighting over control.
Other voice isn't belongs to his beloved
hybrid plover
Damn, redirect fire is 10% at 4 stacks, is 6 stack node worth it for the 15%?
Could be, but there's a lot of stuff that 6 stack node competes with.
10% is already a pretty decent bump up.
red robin
Could be, but there's a lot of stuff that 6 stack node competes with.
True, me drooling over 2% and 3% number buffs
hybrid plover
And 6 stacks is actually a tad harder to up keep consistently.
shy raft
Bodyguard killed so manu chaos berserkers that he and his ogryn platoon actuallu defeated and defended a lost position
He got punished for being doom-guy on chaos and ignoring orders
He is very smart, asks about imperial faith and questions emperor's divinity
calm shard
oh man
zarona combat shotgun special shell can one shot headshot shotgunners on exe stance builds
shy raft
Bully is too self-aware, to his own good.
calm shard
with min pellet count
faint beacon
He is very smart, asks about imperial faith and questions emperor's divinity
I think it’s like unaware stupidity that wraps around into being genuinely intelligent
calm shard
https://fximgur.com/a/MO0A3Oz also exe stance shotgun kinda nutzo in general
ignore the fucked up sights I forgot weapon customization mod bad
vivid silo
Does Deadshot work for the double barrels double shot, or is it like the Plasma?
calm shard
vivid silo
And yeah, 1shotting anything except Crushers and bosses is nuts
calm shard
I'm astonished that the special shell of all things still one shots shotgunners
has to crit to one shot scab shotgunners because flak
cause the special shells base damage is horrible
crimson mica
So, is Fire team worth taking now with the recent buff?
crimson mica
Yeah, they should have buffed it to 10 percent to test the waters atleast.
tame lodge
Does Deadshot work for the double barrels double shot, or is it like the Plasma?
Afaik plasma is the only gun that doesn't work with Deadshot
calm shard
oh that's nice
calm shard
might have to keep +flak on my gun build shotgun
calm shard
one shot bodyshot maulers on crit
formal ice
https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609
Why are sending the unoriginal gif
formal ice
calm shard
you need skirmisher stacked and full bore active but still
you can just rip through mauler doomstacks in seconds with this bad boy
tame lodge
Of maulers
hybrid plover
i been saying for quite some time
The combat shotguns are actually unironically good with Manstopper.
calm shard
It already one shots fucking everything so it's not like I need no respite
hybrid plover
With WS of course.
muted peak
What is the dump stat in power falchion?
tame lodge
The weapon itself (mobility)
covert shoal
mobility is like
universally unhelpful
because the min mobility is still good enough
calm shard
That Manstopper
all for the low low price of...playing exe vet normally
actually don't need max skirmisher stacks I'm stupid
It barely doesn't one shot without even having exe up xd
steel veldt
Ascension via bolt round
calm shard
god it's SO close
4167 bodyshot damage into flak is a stupid ass number for a gun with inifnite cleave
jade flower
So out of curiosity what are you all using in havoc in regards to weapons? Any suggestions?
hollow ibex
Why not use agri
calm shard
Why not use agri
Zarona has better damage on crit
jade flower
when you say bolter do you mean the rifle or the pistol?
calm shard
Like by a LOT
hollow ibex
Zarona has better damage on crit
Hmm
calm shard
Zarona has a seperate ADS damage profile that has vastly superior crit/weakspot numbers compared to Agri
calm shard
Full Bore+manstopper
oh actually
Agri does about the same damage into flak
Loses hard into Unyielding by like several thousand damage tho
jade flower
bolter, plasma sword
with the bolter do you use the mkIIb or the MKIII?
midnight wyvern
with the bolter do you use the mkIIb or the MKIII?
2B
hollow ibex
Loses **hard** into Unyielding by like several thousand damage tho
Agri does have a much higher rate of fire tho
midnight wyvern
with the bolter do you use the mkIIb or the MKIII?
funny no boss exist weapon
violet yacht
whats that exe guardsman build
midnight wyvern
So out of curiosity what are you all using in havoc in regards to weapons? Any s...
calm shard
IT DOES
Agri combat shotgun's slug shell can one shot bodyshot a havoc 40 mauler
Insane times
You don't even need skirmisher stacked
sharp epoch
guys they nerfed shout again
livid hill
Ascension via bolt round
He infused the souls of the local psyker population into that round
steel veldt
He infused the souls of the local psyker population into that round
The Cutthroat is that based
steel veldt
10 seconds is too much
How much would be balanced?
covert shoal
Ascension via bolt round
bro achieved nirvana and then immediately exploded
sharp epoch
10 seconds is too much
I think exe might straight up be the best choice now even for melee vet
and in comparison to other classes shout is not up as fast as those abilities which offer better utility
violet yacht
how does opening salvo work with shotguns?
steel veldt
7.5 give or take
How long does Chorus last again?
hollow ibex
**IT DOES**
Agri is what bistol wished it was lol
sharp epoch
How long does Chorus last again?
The active or the golden toughness?
steel veldt
golden toughness
tame lodge
Lasts 10 seconds iirc
calm shard
build
calm shard
That I was using for this demonstration anyways
hybrid plover
Krak is now used?
kraks are crazy good
sharp epoch
I'll test out chorus
steel veldt
Lasts 10 seconds iirc
I mean then why not make Shout last 10 seconds too? Why lower it to 7.5? Shout is comparable to Chorus
Shout is one time stagger with gold toughness
Chorus is like 6 staggers
with gold toughness
but higher CD
sharp epoch
it went from 15 to 10 seconds I think
hybrid plover
Because Chorus takes way longer to get back.
tame lodge
I mean then why not make Shout last 10 seconds too? Why lower it to 7.5? Shout i...
Because shout is 30 seconds
Chorus is 60
sharp epoch
With the tac awareness nerf shout is realistically 20ish seconds
Chorus is probably around 30-35 seconds
calm shard
oh wow narrowly 2 shots a havoc 40 crusher with MMF's rending
completely impractical and stupid
but funny
hybrid plover
if anything, this really just points to chorus probably catching a nerf at some point
steel veldt
Because shout is 30 seconds
But Chorus is more powerful
That's why it's double
and it lasts like 8 seconds when you channel it
not 8
I mean like 5
hybrid plover
Ye. Meaning Chorus isn't safe probably lol
steel veldt
Yeah Chorus is gonna get nerfed 100%
tame lodge
Already did
steel veldt
Inb4 that Zealot guy on Reddit cries out how Zealot is already catching strays
tame lodge
Went from 100 to 75
hybrid plover
If they're starting to become this proactive with nerfing golden toughness, it's probably gonna catch another nerf.
steel veldt
VoC could not even give gold toughness I'd still use it
hybrid plover
Which, honestly. I'm okay with.
steel veldt
because of the voice lines
steel veldt
VoC as Cutthroat just gives me the skill to play the game
hearing "FOR CADIA!" envigorates me IRL
bold sierra
tbh, I dont think chorus is as good as shout, even after tbh, if we're talking about gold toughness. And these days I'm seeing a lot more shroud and chastise than be4. CDR changes do kinda hit chorus quite hard lol, which is good
covert shoal
i use executioners stance half for the massive buffs and half because it just feels like you shoot better with the funny screen effect
steel veldt
I use it because Cutthroat says "Sever the head, the body dies"
And that's so edgy and cringe but also the most badass thing ever
covert shoal
yea
hybrid plover
tbh, I dont think chorus is as good as shout, even after tbh, if we're talking a...
Shout is way more reactive, and that means a lot with the kind of density this game can give.
steel veldt
yeah Shout is reactive
covert shoal
And that's so edgy and cringe but also the most badass thing ever
man describes entirety of warhammer
steel veldt
Chorus is proactive
bold sierra
i use executioners stance half for the massive buffs and half because it just fe...
a lot of the times you just pop exec stance for the toughness regen lol
covert shoal
more at 11
hybrid plover
Chorus can easily get cancelled out.
bold sierra
so more or less, I think chorus's safe
well, safer than VoC be4, cuz zealot's other abilties are a lot more on par with chorus than vet's with VoC
covert shoal
a lot of the times you just pop exec stance for the toughness regen lol
fortunately your ogryn cant eat your toughness regen yet
tame lodge
Speaking of Cadia
covert shoal
inb4 they give ogryn an ability that transfers gained toughness to them
tame lodge
Why's "Cadia stands" not a VoC line
hybrid plover
Honestly, this just put Exe Stance stocks through the roof.
tame lodge
hybrid plover
And good. Because Exe Stance is actually very good.
covert shoal
Speaking of Cadia
dude when i first booted up the game and was making my vet
the fact that cadia was A. an option and B. a fucking asteroid belt in the menu
totally broke me
tame lodge
calm shard
straight up a fucking railgun
bold sierra
Honestly, this just put Exe Stance stocks through the roof.
Exec Stance is still giga high skill ceiling tho I'll say, but it's pretyt viable on Havoc 40. Tho I doubt we'll see much of Exec stance in Havoc, given most players
covert shoal
btw
hybrid plover
Exec Stance is still giga high skill ceiling tho I'll say, but it's pretyt viabl...
Running that with counterfire and enhanced in a vent purge
Was the comfiest thing ever.
covert shoal
what's the best combat shotgun mark if i'm running executioners stance and ranged focus
calm shard
what's the best combat shotgun mark if i'm running executioners stance and range...
Zarona for boss damage, Agripinaa for general use
calm shard
I have also been experimenting with Agri which you can see above and it's...a fascinating gun
I'll say that
covert shoal
i assume the accatran is a total meme
bold sierra
Running that with counterfire and enhanced in a vent purge
yeah I run enhanced with smoke, providing team with smoke-hack for bursters and stuff is very nice
covert shoal
imagine a PB headshot with full buffs with that thing though
calm shard
It's like...a side grade to double barrel
They have very similar stats
You get more ammo and more consistent ranged damage with the combat shotty over double barrel
But obviously don't have the "fuck that entire direction" alt fire
bold sierra
I kinda hoped the 25%+ ammo talent brought double-barrel to 4 shots xD, but guess not
covert shoal
But obviously don't have the "fuck that entire direction" alt fire
i love the agri special fire
its so funny
you press button, click rager
no more rager
etc.
hollow ibex
It's like...a side grade to double barrel
Sidegrade in terms of power but very different use case tbh
tame lodge
I kinda hoped the 25%+ ammo talent brought double-barrel to 4 shots xD, but gues...
At least 51%
So it would round up from 1.somethinghigherthan0 to 2
bold sierra
4 extra bolter shots has been VERY nice for me tho
sharp epoch
tbh, I dont think chorus is as good as shout, even after tbh, if we're talking a...
I think chorus is better than shout with this new patch tbh
15 > 10 seconds of golden toughness is huge
covert shoal
yknow what we need
talent tree codes you can copy and paste for sharing and or not having to take like 3 screenshots
that'd be good QOL
sharp epoch
It takes like 3 seconds to build a tree 😎
covert shoal
much longer to copy one unless you have a picture of the whole thing
bold sierra
I think chorus is better than shout with this new patch tbh
I mean if we're talking about each use then yeah, chorus is better, but given chorus is like 2x cooldown, and I think it having liek what 8s of gold toughness? I think vet's shout is overall better, more readily available still, but not as much as be4
depending on situations tho, it's nice having chorus when you're trying to push forward through a line of gunners or sth
covert shoal
I have also been *experimenting* with Agri which you can see above and it's...a ...
also
sharp epoch
I mean if we're talking about each use then yeah, chorus is better, but given ch...
I'm talking about overall, with cdr and the effects included. It's much easier to get cdr on zealot to make book 30-35 seconds with either crits or weakspots. For vet, you gotta have a specialist to kill every 3 seconds to get that 15 second cd or its around 20-25 seconds.
sharp epoch
When you're fighting a boss or a bunch of armor you can really feel your not really getting cdr, while zealot can easily get it during all situations
royal hollow
talent tree codes you can copy and paste for sharing and or not having to take l...
Just use the builder site
royal hollow
straight up a fucking railgun
Tf
wild vortex
straight up a fucking railgun
is that the Agri shotgun's special ammo?
calm shard
yes
covert shoal
is that the Agri shotgun's special ammo?
yea
calm shard
into havoc 40 maulers
covert shoal
agri funny
shy raft
I think chorus is better than shout with this new patch tbh
chorus better if you play havoc and good teammates
covert shoal
i have been running power sword combat shotgun
bold sierra
When you're fighting a boss or a bunch of armor you can really feel your not rea...
I mean I guess, but it's still longer cd, even if you're getting them cdr 24/7 with zealot. I suppose if we're talking fighting a boss in H40, then I suppose zealot can get consistent cdr than vet, but if your team's composition is right, with a decent boss-killer player, bosses ain't gonna last long enough to get close to 2 chorus or VoC uses anyway, so it's whatever imo.
shy raft
however, it removes you as a damage dealer for 30s
still, op against 4 plaague ogryn and 1000 crusher train with rotten armour
it clutches very well and power fantasy more badass than vey
vet
having empowered by god-emperor himself literally
sharp epoch
chorus better if you play havoc and good teammates
Yeah, it's one of the best abillities next to bubble and taunt, arb and vet have a lot less support now and shout was only like a half support since it was a single stagger
umbral scaffold
Anyone got a Pure Cadian Build
shy raft
Arb still has tons of support and best solo class
wild vortex
Yeah, it's one of the best abillities next to bubble and taunt, arb and vet have...
Arbi's dog counts as pretty good support IMO. Free special and disabler deletion on autopilot
bold sierra
these days I get a pretty healthy amount of players that run chastise/shroud with Thammer, so bosses havent been an issue when I play vet, or hell I play vet with bolter and kraks most of the times so bosses die pretty quick anyway
wild vortex
to say nothing of remote detonation
shy raft
dog and shock mines are best support in the game
but arby isn't a main damge dealer, he is control guy
covert shoal
but arby isn't a main damge dealer, he is control guy
vet and ogryn are
sharp epoch
dog and shock mines are best support in the game
Shock mines are good, but limited. Dog I feel like is just an extension of the player like a ranged weapon not so much support. It's equivalent to throwing knives/plasma
wild vortex
Shock mines are good, but limited. Dog I feel like is just an extension of the p...
if you set it to ranged-preference, the dog will literally hunt down snipers / bombers / trappers on its own
it's amazing
shy raft
Shock mines are good, but limited. Dog I feel like is just an extension of the p...
dog with electro, bleed and brittle are really good if you have a dog whistle mod
wild vortex
dog with electro, bleed and brittle are really good if you have a dog whistle mo...
wait what dog whistle mod
sharp epoch
Dog whistle mod is one of those mods I feel are a little cheaty for me
shy raft
lets you command doge more easier
so, you ended up with guided missile and massive cc
one time when I was down, dog killed 10-20 gunner alone
in 20-30s
before nerfs, it was divine
removing plague ogryn within 5s
sharp epoch
I just feel like its one of those mods that play the game for you, like its auto targetting every eligible enemy
calm shard
before nerfs, it was divine
you mean the bug fixes
because the reason dog was so overpowered back then was because it was bugged
sharp epoch
bleed fully stacked
shy raft
It was glorius but yeah
hybrid plover
it was annoying
shy raft
they nerfed so much that dog build isn't viable in havoc tho
calm shard
it was one of the worst states the gameplay has ever been in
bold sierra
wha
hybrid plover
the game straight up became unplayable for a time because of that stupid bug
calm shard
they nerfed so much that dog build isn't viable in havoc tho
wow that is some fucking cope holy moly
if I am ever playing arbites in havoc it is dog build
shy raft
not in 30-40
hybrid plover
not in 30-40
it is
calm shard
I run full dog build arbites in Havoc as my go to build because micro managing the dog is fun
bold sierra
wym
calm shard
and it deletes mixed hordes like crazy
bold sierra
ive benn dogging it in h40 with ease
bold sierra
yes xD
narrow frost
imagine if there was a dog solo video
bold sierra
tho maybe against rotten armor, u need shock mines but generally dog is amazing still in h40
hybrid plover
actually,
sharp epoch
I wish they kept the 3 dogsplosions
shy raft
imagine if there was a dog solo video
it can outdamge zellies now so why not, ehehe.
joking before getting roasted
violet yacht
what builds yall run on your vraks?
charred elm
hey guys im lvl 30 on every other character and starting vet now, what builds would you guys recommend?
distant plaza
another class
covert shoal
is fireteam worth taking now maybe
covert shoal
hey guys im lvl 30 on every other character and starting vet now, what builds wo...
exec stance combat shotgun
distant plaza
frail citrus
hey guys im lvl 30 on every other character and starting vet now, what builds wo...
Vet VoC (even tho I said its dead now) is still kinda good
ive been having more fun with exe stance recon lasgun tho
taking me back to beta days
frail citrus
also a valid option
frail citrus
ive been saying for a while now inf lasgun is a good weapon
people just dont want to admit it because its the starting gun
frail citrus
Vet VoC (even tho I said its dead now) is still kinda good
honestly tho i will say, vet is in a much weaker state than what it used to be
covert shoal
do you think fireteam is
frail citrus
some people will argue that's been the case for a long time
charred elm
I think i saw a support veteran build that looked interesting not sure if its any good though
covert shoal
maybe worth taking now
frail citrus
do you think fireteam is
canh you remind which one that is
frail citrus
I think i saw a support veteran build that looked interesting not sure if its an...
if its the squad leader build, yeah it can be good. its a good baseline
covert shoal
- 7.5% damage for allies in coherency its uh
one of the aura options
it used to be +5%
frail citrus
i normally swap around some stuff to make it more team focused and to give me free lasgun ammo on crits but its decent
covert shoal
or is it still survivalist
frail citrus
or is it still survivalist
no no thats fire team
narrow widget
do you think fireteam is
no
covert shoal
no no thats fire team
no i mean
is survivalist still the pick always
and every time
charred elm
it was this build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3U32dUIeEw&t=491s
covert shoal
free ammo i guess
narrow widget
is survivalist still the pick always
movespeed is also good
frail citrus
only because getting free ammo for your team in my opinion is a better perk than extra damage
and will also be the better option
however, because survivalist doesnt stack (unless its the non upgraded version) then I usually swap to fire team
i would still not pick anything over survivalist tho personally
frail citrus
it was this build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3U32dUIeEw&t=491s
click on the link and the dude immediately says "smoke grenades are the best" lol
frail citrus
it was this build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3U32dUIeEw&t=491s
yeah this is pretty similar to what i run
but if you pick up a weapon that takes care of crushers you can swap your crap for shredders, which i like more for skirmishing builds because you get so many and they do decent damage over time
narrow widget
click on the link and the dude immediately says "smoke grenades are the best" lo...
smokes are great situationally (as in theyre useless auric and below, havoc good)
frail citrus
smokes are great situationally (as in theyre useless auric and below, havoc good...
yeah situationally they are good
but again, like survivalist i personally wouldnt take them over the other two
i am a big believer that most things in this game are good if you build and use it correctly
calm shard
i dont get the hate
It's mostly just that the ilas is outclassed in its niche by several other weapons
biggest offenders being the Vigilant Autoguns, Laspistol, and Helbore Lasguns
sharp epoch
back when ilas was meta 😔
covert shoal
It's mostly just that the ilas is outclassed in its niche by several other weapo...
is Keep Their Heads Down! worth anything?
hollow ibex
is Keep Their Heads Down! worth anything?
Not really since most of the enemies in the game don’t care about suppression
calm shard
is Keep Their Heads Down! worth anything?
no
most enemies are completely immune to suppression
- any guns that have suppression worth a damn have a fuckton of it and don't need anymore
steel veldt
VoC is dead 😔
I disagree
Also I need to get penaces for smoke grenades and kraks. And the movement speed aura, kill me
I'll do them after Zealot 2000 immolation
Mortis Trials it is!
covert shoal
what are the best blessings for the agri shotgun
orchid hemlock
what are the best blessings for the agri shotgun
full bore, no respite
calm shard
if exe build then manstopper over no respite
hollow ibex
if exe build then manstopper over no respite
Full bore still procs even if you hit multiple targets with manstopper?
orchid hemlock
Isn't manstopper more like a DB blessing anyways?
hollow ibex
Yeah though it’s funny on WS cshotties too
hybrid plover
Yeah though it’s funny on WS cshotties too
btw
auric maelstrom is cracked rn
and exe stance stocks are through the roof
tepid otter
what mod is that again taht shows stats at the end of matches
distant plaza
scoreboard
calm shard
Full bore still procs even if you hit multiple targets with manstopper?
no it's just
you one shot literally everything on an exe build with shotgun
and I mean everything
if it isn't a crusher you one shot it
you aren't going to get no respite value
so you might as well make those one shots have infinite cleave
And yes I am including havoc 40
I literally just tested that and it uh
It sure does damage!
calm shard
yeah
super fucking easy to stack too
just shoot head level into poxboys
Zarona can't one shot bodyshot maulers in Havoc like Agri can
But doesn't have to load special shell to one shot headshot Bulwarks/Reapers
And special shell can mince hordes and shotgunners
Agripinaa special shell one shot bodyshots havoc 40 maulers
And the other 6 havoc 40 maulers behind them too because man stopper is a balanced blessing
tepid otter
Are you using the special bullet on the Agri
calm shard
Combat Shotgun is actually freakishly strong on exe stance because of Man-Stopper carrying its stupid damage through the entire horde
calm shard
I was running it like this
Skirmisher isn't necessary for breakpoints it just makes up for damage falloff or bad spread luck
So if you want to drop that for melee attack speed or whatever that's fine
calm shard
Yes on a semi automatic weapon that relies heavily on crits for its damage
Zarona in particular has what I will now call the "Vraks damage profile"
hollow ibex
calm shard
Thing hits like a freight train on crits
And is a bit mid otherwise
Unlike vraks this gun is semi auto
And not that fast firing
exe crit bodyshot with zarona one shots auric maulers
Hits for like ~4.2K into Havoc 40 ones
hollow ibex
Yeah I’ll have to try
calm shard
yeah 4167
posted a screenshot of testing it into havoc 40 healthpools earlier
Zarona's special shell also one shot headshots dreg shotgunners with minimum pellet count in havoc 40
Scab shotgunners in auric, but they live with 500-ish health in havoc 40
primal bramble
calm shard
stability
ancient path
clandestium glorina is such a fuckin map
i swear its the hardest map in the game
and its only getting to and beyond the first obj
sullen scarab
Those Power Falchion buffs, we are so back!!!!! (we are not back)
hollow ibex
clandestium glorina is such a fuckin map
I love it’s bullshit
calm shard
take tinkerer for double duration
throw them where you want to be
they block LoS into, out of, and through them
enjoy having 3 better psyker bubbles in your pocket
Oh also if you cannot see through them then you are not standing in them
steel veldt
Got it thanks
What if the enemy stands inside of the smoke?
I do need 2000 enemies engulfed in smoke
covert shoal
did you know that the stagger on the agri spec-ability is so comically high you can shoot a bulwark in the shield once and it'll flinch back
then just ADS it in the face
and onetap
i hate bulwarks so i find the existance of a bulwark fuckeruper to be funny
hollow ibex
Yeah agri is a beast
hollow ibex
covert shoal
<:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
i also spent 2 trancendants worth of consecration resources on nonmaxed shotguns
once by accidenta nd the second because i didnt realize stopping power contributed directly to damage
calm shard
Zarona is also a bulwark fuckeruper
Minimum pellet count into unyielding for it is 16
So if you clip the top of their bald ass head with it they die instantly
covert shoal
fatshark make your game comprehensible without outside resources challenge
difficulty impossible
calm shard
https://fximgur.com/a/4YlcDkG also exe stance born leader is hilarious
look at the psyker's toughness here
tired token
Trying to do the deadeye penance, kinda annoying me to no end
calm shard
use laspistol as it will simply not do damage if you don't headshot them
should improve your aim 👍
distant plaza
I do need 2000 enemies engulfed in smoke
throw em into the midst of a horde spawn if you don't care about you know, using it as a vet bubble
tired token
use laspistol as it will simply not do damage if you don't headshot them
Used the stub revolver
calm shard
Failing that just like take a Helbore with hotshot and shoot vaguely head level into a crowd until it pops
Or revolver
steel veldt
throw em into the midst of a horde spawn if you don't care about you know, using...
seems Mortis will be my friend
right?
distant plaza
wherever you feel like grinding it out
covert shoal
So if you clip the top of their bald ass head with it they die instantly
funny tip
if you throw a grenade at a basic grunt the tiny damage tick is occasionally enough to make them flinch
if you hit the in the face
distant plaza
heresy/damnation+ hab dreyko outro sequence is a prime place to rack up the smoke penance
steel veldt
heresy/damnation+ hab dreyko outro sequence is a prime place to rack up the smok...
Seems like Mortis should work really good as well, no? They just spawn fucktons of hordes
calm shard
yeah
calm shard
mortis also has electric smokes
steel veldt
every 20 sec
calm shard
which you could get
distant plaza
you might have an easier time setting your region to south africa for 'solo' mortis trials
so you can have the horde all to yourself
calm shard
man the smoke penance does not take that long
distant plaza
penance chase on fresh permadeath characters?
hybrid plover
I just hate not using shredders
Here is my propaganda for the day.
Use smokes, and run the AoE Bolter.
Preferrably with Executioner's Stance
steel veldt
why?
hybrid plover
AoE bolter can make good work of mixed hordes
Like shredders
And with exe stance, very often will one shot priority targets
At least on Auric
steel veldt
Where do smokes come in?
hybrid plover
Not that smokes really "come in"
but if you're doing that penance
AoE Bolter's a decent fill in for what shredders can do.
It's also fun.
bronze zodiac
How does one get the Death Korps of Krieg skin?
hollow ibex
AoE Bolter's a decent fill in for what shredders can do.
90 damage on AOE
hollow ibex
How does one get the Death Korps of Krieg skin?
Patiently wait for it to come back in the slop shop
bronze zodiac
Patiently wait for it to come back in the slop shop
Is that the "Commodore's Vestures" shop?
bronze zodiac
Yup
How often does it rotate? im new but i've noticed the same skins there for the past week or two
hollow ibex
How often does it rotate? im new but i've noticed the same skins there for the p...
Every two weeks
calm shard
90 damage on AOE <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906...
more like ~120
Not an insignificant number considering you regularly see packs of 4-5 gunners
And that amount of damage will kill every basic shooter around them
hollow ibex
Aren’t scab gunners like 1700
calm shard
It's not for them
It's for 9 bazillion annoying little fucking gnats with lasguns that come alongside them
hybrid plover
Aren’t scab gunners like 1700
You SHOOT the scab gunners.
The AoE is for the fodder.
When you're full autoing into a mixed horde, you will actually get quite a number of kills
zenith carbon
7 shot revolver?
static radish
is there any talent that increases skill cooldown?
covert shoal
yooooo
hollow ibex
makes the skill back up faster
Tactical awareness
covert shoal
i got my 80/80/80/80/60 combat shotty
zenith carbon
covert shoal
dumping mobility ofc
meager echo
Cdr and VoC nerf change nothing. If anything, it only prompts players to revert to using chorus and cycle cooldown to maximize gold uptime.
Still the best way to clear H40s.
pulsar zephyr
Guys I like the chainsaw sword with the swipe shove attack, wich mark is that?
It's so goated
tall torrent
Guys I like the chainsaw sword with the swipe shove attack, wich mark is that?
XIIIg
pulsar zephyr
Thank you
sharp epoch
Cdr and VoC nerf change nothing. If anything, it only prompts players to revert ...
I feel like you should have more a lot more damage compared to a book zealot and taunt ogryn, it still works but you cant play as aggressive
tall torrent
I like exe stance a lot more rn
tall torrent
I play it with stuff other than boltgun
distant mural
Do with boltgun so fckn noice
meager echo
Playing without gold toughness is exhausting. No one wants to maintain hyper-focused gameplay for 30mins+. Most of the time, you die from being one-shot in H40, not from inadequate toughness regeneration. Since no builds can instantly eliminate the one-shot thread, Gold toughness is mandatory for casual runs.
distant mural
Playing without gold toughness is exhausting. No one wants to maintain hyper-foc...
Wrong
Playing with gold toughness is lame
And crutch
meager echo
then why are you concern about what people run in havoc ?
distant mural
then why are you concern about what people run in havoc ?
Why are you so concerned about people not using gold toughness?
stable socket
playing with talents and blessings is technically also crutch
distant mural
None of your business
stable socket
because if you were good enough you wouldn't need them
meager echo
Why are you so concerned about people not using gold toughness?
That is because this playstyle catter to the casual players. I'm against the idea of changing the game just for top 1% experts.
stable socket
i'm pretty sure nate's "playing without gold toughness is exhausting" is responding to blubbery's comment about swapping out book zealot for more damage in h40, instead of bath's comment about exe stance
distant mural
Im not a top 1% expert tho
meager echo
then you don't play enough havoc if you think most lobbies don't run gold.