veteran-class

[elder vessel]

choose

[hybrid plover]

do u mind me giving you some pointers on this

[hollow ibex]

mobility

you will be push attacking with chaxe

esp mk4

[elder vessel]

really doesn't matter but mine dumps with mobility anyway

so yeab

[red robin]

idk what button it is on keyboard for hotswap, but mine is q, i alternate between killing shit mobs and swapping to db to fire into hordes of anything

[hybrid plover]

ye, i run that setup but with a different tree setup

[elder vessel]

imagine needing an excuse to play a weapon you like, I have no such weaknesses

[red robin]

truth nuke

[hybrid plover]

because you want unarmored on tac axe

[red robin]

unarmored? do i swap unyielding for it?

[hybrid plover]

ye, and try to fit in bring it down to compensate for the loss of unyielding

since that will also increase your carapace damage

reason why is cuz tac axe rides or dies by one shots

[red robin]

yeah good point, i kinda threw in points willy nilly

[hybrid plover]

and scab bruisers have unarmored heads

[storm pine]

how do you deal with snipers and shit on inaccessible ledges with a double barrel setup?

[hybrid plover]

makes horde clear way more consistent

[mortal aspen]

you shoot them

[storm pine]

they don't die T_T

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1428625217718194277/6A17271.MP4?ex=68f67a2a&is=68f528aa&hm=0c66d8835868075c42613675d7a2d15bb9e220f9e880ce90d849bab4bf21bcb0&

[mortal aspen]

skissue

[hybrid plover]

gotta get that crit

[mortal aspen]

farm crit first and shoot

[red robin]

ngl i just pepper em and hope the crit and bleed on crit kills em

[mortal aspen]

or be skilled and crit anyway

[narrow frost]

Dbarrel 1 shots sniper

any range

just need crit

[hollow ibex]

this is why you always keep 3 stacks of WS on you when you're moving around with a DB

because you are running DB with WS... right?

[red robin]

aint no other keystone for db

[storm pine]

yeah obvs
the free reload is kinda needed

[hollow ibex]

yeah just keep three stacks on hand

[hybrid plover]

make sure you run flechette too

[red robin]

superiority complex needed or is it skippable?

[hybrid plover]

HMM

i mean it is a really strong node

i run it on my build

[red robin]

yur

[hybrid plover]

lemme just make a tree rq

https://gyazo.com/d57fad41e9b348aff7e835b5f5ededa0

that's what i've been running more recently

no o4b

[mortal aspen]

the build

[hybrid plover]

crazy i know but

yeah vet does need another rework in that regard lol

illusion of choice

[mortal aspen]

is one motion really needed for db\taxe? i play without and the swap feels near instant anyway

[hybrid plover]

it takes longer to get the shot out

[mortal aspen]

even plasma feels quick enough

[hybrid plover]

that can actually matter at times

it's marginal

but there is a bit of a difference

[red robin]

looks nice

imma demo it

[hybrid plover]

or if you do want your tac axe to be more consistent against bosses

you could take off tinkerer for serrated but you also won't be able to innately one shot crushers

however, rending taxe with serrated makes good work of them honestly

and at least in auric, if you have max skirmisher stacks, it gives you enough extra damage for the one shot

[hybrid plover]

when the veteran is uh, a veteran

[willow prairie]

have you try not getting shot

[narrow frost]

not yet

[hybrid plover]

question

was that stimms?

[narrow frost]

no

[hybrid plover]

god damn alright that gunner was just trying to get a raise then

[misty minnow]

I don't even know if gunner resistance would even help in that situation

[narrow frost]

it was basic shooters

so no

[hybrid plover]

havoc 1.0 ah death

[void dragon]

imagine not taking cover and fearing for your life because even fodder gunners are cracked

[manic echo]

what stats should I dump on for plasma gun

[gilded wraith]

I think I want to try deadshot scattershot double barrel. I doubt it will be great, but I'm still intrigued.

[hybrid plover]

fodder gunners are legit worse than actual gunners

[void dragon]

does stuff like assail still can kill them fast in havoc?

[hybrid plover]

in low vis missions, i specifically run exe stance with counterfire and enhanced for them

[hybrid plover]

yes, but the issue is getting all of them before they hit you with a salvo

because as you can see

they shred you very fast

[void dragon]

that's why i developed the habit of peeking corners with sprint/dodge slides

that shit of just the small ones that you cant mark being that dangerous is hella annoying

[void dragon]

what build you run like that? i thin i have a recon lasgun set for it even if usually go with the ogryn alternative

[hybrid plover]

ran it with plasma last night. but i've ran it with agri shotgun and helbore before

i just didn't wanna be assed with low vis + stimms

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[red robin]

deadshot makes the spread a bit tighter on brace, if you take run and gun the spread is reduced moreso, and if you take executioners stance, the spread is like a small circle, its uhh, something, if vet had something for dmg falloff it would be a fun meme build

[gilded wraith]

@mortal aspenJust an alternate method of getting to 100% crit.

To guarantee manstopper procs.

[mortal aspen]

it just seems... intentionally worse than just taking WS

[hybrid plover]

it makes it worse

i mean like

[willow prairie]

deadshot is a meme

[red robin]

yeah, all that choke spread does nothing because min pellet count

also db is like meant for horde aoe cleave

[austere mica]

Why would you take a non ws way to guarantee crits for db on vet

Like

[mortal aspen]

if vet had exe shotgun, I'd take deadshot for the memes

[red robin]

man

kinda wish there was a keystone or blessing similar to graze in pd2

[hollow ibex]

exec shotguns would go way too hard on vet lol

[willow prairie]

that just a fucked up plasma

[austere mica]

That would be terrifying

[red robin]

true

marksmen focus made beyond easy

[stuck gorge]

they severed the head i think

[steel veldt]

starting to think this was a bad idea

[hollow ibex]

skipping reciprocity for cqkz is a choice...

[steel veldt]

Yeah I should really change that right

changed it

[storm pine]

does db shotgun have a min pellet count

[narrow frost]

yes

all shotguns

[storm pine]

is there a number datamined

[narrow frost]

I am unsure

@tall torrent

is there an exact minpellet count damage for all the shotguns?

[hollow ibex]

it's already in the pins

unless those were changed since HOTE was published

cshotgun ones might be changed

[storm pine]

ty

[static radish]

so uhhh

i witnessed a vet obliterating a deamonhost

i want that build ngl but idk what it is

it looked melee only but that cant be it

[austere badger]

Which chainsword saws on light hits?

[shadow dagger]

i believe its mk13

[sullen scarab]

Does this look ok for a Recon Mk.VIc lasgun with power sword 6 build? Anything I should change on it, without dumping Shock Trooper lol

[shadow dagger]

should probably go field improv

serrated blade doesnt do much for psword

since it doesnt struggle at all with... basically anything that bleed would help with

[heavy rover]

if you want to run serrated blade you could run the power sword with Sunder

use all that cleave to your advantage

[shadow dagger]

im a bromentum guy but that probably works too

[heavy rover]

then throw in some heavies if you got a mixed horde

I actually do have a build I want to try that involves serrated blade with power sword and sunder. Sadly I won't be at my PC anytime soon

[shadow dagger]

i dont think rending strikes does enough in this build to justify the point

[heavy rover]

yeah that's a good piont, you could re-assign rending strikes to something else. Personally I'd put it into one of the grenade talents

[sullen scarab]

hmmmm

rending strikes doesn't do much for the recon?

although I guess you aren't shooting at carapace lol

[heavy rover]

for recon? Not much. I don't run it with my helbore build either

[shadow dagger]

rending only really helps at high percentages

like I know uncanny is a meme with how unbearably strong it is

[sullen scarab]

how about Bring it Down?

[shadow dagger]

but it really only feels noticeable at around that level

[heavy rover]

yeah can't go wrong with Bring It Down

[sullen scarab]

ok sounds good haha

I just remember rendings trikes being good on the rashad at least since it lowers the ttk on crushers enough

[shadow dagger]

what would you drop for bring it down

[sullen scarab]

oh wait you're right lol

since rending strikes

[heavy rover]

oh woops yeah good point

[sullen scarab]

maybe on your toes?

I heard that's good

or just another 25 toughness node

[shadow dagger]

I'd probably grab either tinkerer for clean crusher oneshots and more boss damage or a toughness node

[sullen scarab]

true

i think I'm ok on toughness, i run 2 toughness 1 hp

so i'm already at like 180 ish

[shadow dagger]

can never have enough

[sullen scarab]

yeah lmao

but BIG KRAK DAMAGE

just trying to see if on your toes is worth it to just have some toughness regen

vs tinkerer

i guess I have shout

i'll try out on your toes first

[steel veldt]

I now realise how hard tactical awareness got nerfed

I almost wish it didn't

but Vet would be like, so fuckin' OP if it wasn't

[static radish]

sooo

grabing an infantry autogun

a shovel

and executioner's stance

maybe i was lucky

but was fun as hell

[sharp epoch]

yeah it did, I feel like the net change to vet is about equal maybe slightly worse than before

[steel veldt]

I'd honestly say that he's a bit better than before

maybe

I could just be stupid

[red robin]

Tactical awareness nerf makes me cry with how useless infiltrate feels

Even moreso than before

Was used of having uptime majority of the game, now it feels I get way less usage of it and have to conserve it

[hybrid plover]

I think, in pure power, veteran is a much better class right now

Their utility just got a bit lessened in terms of ability usage

[red robin]

Praying for huntsmen Kruber treatment for infiltrate as a pipe dream

[hybrid plover]

What I'm honestly a lil disappointed by is that the tree has a The Build ™

[steel veldt]

let me guess

it's VoC

[tall torrent]

idk

[steel veldt]

I still use infiltrate a lot

[hybrid plover]

actually, not really

[steel veldt]

even after tac awareness nerf

I just save it for whenever I run out of toughness

and when people need to be revived

I don't pop it until I run out of toughness, I get all my toughness back and reposition

[hybrid plover]

at the very least, you can choose between exe stance and shout

[steel veldt]

if I have grenades I throw them with mouse 2

(mouse 2 throw doesn't break stealth)

[red robin]

True

[hybrid plover]

But it's the bottom half that becomes very linear

[steel veldt]

what is the bottom half like?

[hybrid plover]

this is kind of a good example

because skirmisher and exploit weakness are nuts right now

so you're incentivized to go into right side

[red robin]

Truth nuke

[hybrid plover]

middle has some okay stuff too but left side isn't great other than precision strikes and the stamina node

so it hurts MMF pathng

[hollow ibex]

bottom vet tree be like

[sullen scarab]

I can't believe I got linked as a good example....I am evolving.....

[willow prairie]

why yes vet need inexorable judgment for 1 talent point

[sullen scarab]

The .25 stamina delay node is hilarious now that I have it, it's really funny seeing my stamina start to Regen mid slide or dodge lmao

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's why arbi and psyker has such strong ammo econ

and why old vet econ was pathetic

1s regen delay lol

[sullen scarab]

yeah lmao

[hybrid plover]

.25 stamina delay node on mk6 goes crazy

knife

[shadow dagger]

do i just have to pray when it comes to the bridge of doom and despair

or is there a way to consistently clear that section without like spam pinging and sniping with plasma

it was literally just duo captains and ranged elites and we almost full wiped on h22

[compact oracle]

holy goddamn helbore is the most satisfying weapon when i can hit my shots

[meager echo]

No rotten armour = fun. That modifier is auto 35+ mins .

[grand perch]

Fuck rotten armour

All my homies hate RA

[void dragon]

They seriously could not make that mod more annoying than with those cursed invincibility stims

[rancid egret]

A Melta would be nice though

[meager echo]

Blue sims is also anti-fun mechanic. It's actually dog shit.

Fighting blue ragers is pure cancer

[charred salmon]

whats best melees for veteran besides DS

[void dragon]

flailing at the indestructible fodder gunner for an hour as a Branx ogryn is NOT fun, i can confirm

[meager echo]

I did not know blue stim is bs until I run into blue ragers.

[meager echo]

PS6 and rashad

[charred salmon]

what is rashad

[meager echo]

combat axe

the mk III one

[hybrid plover]

i like the idea of rotten armor and how it affects carapace

i dont like how it also increases carapace spawns across the board

to like, unnecessary levels

it was fine in auric

dare i say

[meager echo]

It's anti-fun modifier. It make the game longer.

[hybrid plover]

fun

but it's just grating at this point

[warm schooner]

ps6 > ds

[frank basin]

asmongold suprise

[willow prairie]

@meager echo are there way to make bot actually do damage in vt2

[meager echo]

I just chose the tanky one and the one that has debuff like sister of the thorn.

Bot with strong ult like warrior priest is also very useful

[narrow frost]

IB is an always take

[meager echo]

Normally i play way stalker to kill special, i choose IB and warrior priest as bots.

The other bot doesnt matter much.

You can play hagbane way stalker to solo exp. Its very strong vs boss and you have your ult to instant delete specialists.

Or you can play battle mage for faster runs, shes better vs elite but worse vs specialist in solo.

[willow prairie]

I'm running merc ib and wp

wp is replaceable

[wild vortex]

slowly getting better at shooter vet gameplay. Hopefully this MF penance is done soon so I can swap out to a real keystone like WS or even FT

[hollow ibex]

WS >>>>> MMF > FT tbh

shame that MMF pathing sucks

[tropic halo]

Mfw MMF forced to stand still to get stacks on a game made for fast paced movement shit

[warm schooner]

wut

they removed that talent

and reworked MMF to not lose stacks on movement

[spark helm]

You also refresh stacks through melee.

And plenty of weapons exist that veteran just easily feed the weakspot kill stack multiplier

[willow prairie]

ft might be better if they bake in some sub node tbh

in vt2 saltzpyzer ping can do shit outside of just damage

[hollow ibex]

i just want them to fix pathing tbh

[tropic halo]

thats why i said "forced"

[hollow ibex]

doesn't have to be right-side stgrong

but at least as strong as middle

and in general the bottom paths are too long

[wild vortex]

I have a newfound respect for mk4 chword

I used to think it was a shit weapon

Turns out it was me who was shit all along

[austere mica]

(Because it was)

[wild vortex]

That weapon kinda fucks (as long as you don't get mobbed by a rager conga line)

[hollow ibex]

still kinda bad against carapace tho

[wild vortex]

Oh that's good to know, guess it wasn't me then

[wild vortex]

With Bloodletter is fine

At least, one at a time

[hollow ibex]

yeah usable ig

[wild vortex]

Like I just throw krak and mop up the leftovers with Bloodletter

Works out

[spark helm]

Main difference with mmf back then was being encouraged to actually maintain momentum which one could do if they were a quick and precise enough shot. Problem came with it being potentially very easy to be forced into a drought due to its lacking defensive potential and snappy sustain.

[wild vortex]

Wish the massive damage bleed wasn't locked to the end of the sawing animation

So you could cancel out if needed and at least get partial damage for your effort

[hollow ibex]

with bloodletter you should be able to saw and instantly dodge out and still apply all bleed

[wild vortex]

I thought it didn't

I am gonna test it out in the psykhanium tomorrow

[hollow ibex]

i don't thikn they changed the way bloodletter works

should still be like that

[storm pine]

Does DB shotgun dump reload speed or mobility?

for the tac axe build

[tepid otter]

I noticed its always Mobility most of the time

[tropic halo]

for most ranged weapons, mobility is the dump

second being collateral

[keen aspen]

Why is plasma so dominant in havoc meta currently?

[hybrid plover]

easy to use, significant results

[meager echo]

Auric spawn being carzy

300+ specialists is crazy

[silver patrol]

yeah, new patch did something

[autumn oxide]

Is that an end of mission screen? How do you get to see all those stats

Ive always wanted to see my stats at the end like in left 4 dead

[meager echo]

It's a mod call score board. You can find it on nexusmod website

[autumn oxide]

You can play online with mods?

[meager echo]

Yes you can

[autumn oxide]

That’s cool.

[hybrid plover]

think this is the first havoc season where I concede honestly

[hybrid plover]

look the modifiers are just

not fun.

i've already done several h40s on them and they've just been slogs in a way that i just cannot vibe with

[meager echo]

I only do weekly since the new tree.
I hate ra, the average run is too long for my taste.

[hybrid plover]

i do not have the bladder capacity for what rotten armor requires of me honestly

out here refusing to drink water cuz a run could very well stretch near an hour

[meager echo]

You are not the only one who feels that way, I notice less lobbies in my sv as well.

Unless you are already at 40, then goofing around is fun.
Climbing with this current rotation is tedious.

[distant mural]

Imma be real once i cleared some 40s my interest in havoc dropped to 0

The only reason its fun was the challenge and once you reach it its just

Eh

No build variety only a gee maps in rotation every time

LAME

And gunner power creep is unreal

And just not fun

[meager echo]

The pros keep saying everything is too strong. Me as a mediocre player do not feel that way at all.

[distant mural]

Idk people say a lot

But most people dont have 2k hours in this game

So i think listening to pros might not allways be the best idea

Reginal for example thinks this game is way too easy but has like 4k hours

So hes completely detached from reality at this point

[meager echo]

Exactly man, I have 1500+ hours, join discord to seek advice, and watch streams to learn how to play. And i still feel it's hard.
No way average players doing all of that

[distant mural]

Yeah. I like to chill in aurics. But i definetly remember how hard that was at first

[meager echo]

Bro i watched reginald stream

[distant mural]

Dudes kinda delusional ngl

I mean hes a very good player

But he just cant understand normal people anymore

[meager echo]

He said on stream, he doesnt have to prove anything, he barely play this season.

[toxic reef]

idt H40 is like too hard, it just has a lot of variance wether it'll throw you something really insane or not

[distant mural]

H40s are definetly doable it all depends on your team

[toxic reef]

and things can be going great and then just one little thing happens and boom everyone is dead

[hybrid plover]

it's not really the difficulty that's the issue

[distant mural]

And how patient they are

[toxic reef]

but yeah I'm with you on these current modifiers, I haven't done any even

[hybrid plover]

it's the current modifiers and how they compound into each other to create an experience i really dont care for

[toxic reef]

just didn't feel worth it to jump back in

[distant mural]

Its just so tedious to do havocs too

Finding a group

And everytime you loose someone leaves

[hybrid plover]

like i wanted to try and grind to 40 so i could do my own 40s but like

[distant mural]

And then you have to look again

[hybrid plover]

i dont even enjoy the modifiers at this moment so why even do that

[meager echo]

The same goes for mr.e actually asking for nerf in every video before the new tree.
And guess what. After the new tree he hard stuck h35. And he spammed rumbler ogryn

[toxic reef]

I'm never going to bother to grind up my clearence level

[distant mural]

The dh modifier was just🤮

Same for poxgas

Why do people think that shit is fun😂

[hybrid plover]

i actualy love the idea of rituals

but they're broken

[distant mural]

And then you reroll and it gets even worse😂

[distant mural]

They force bad moves i hate it

[toxic reef]

poxgas is just one of those x0 level modifier

rituals are fine, their spawns are not

[meager echo]

I know less people play h40 because i saw many in my sv with havoc forge with 30 clearance.

[hybrid plover]

they don't tbh

because there's essentially a grace period

if you decide to aggro them, the meter starts filling faster

[distant mural]

Not really ik but a lot of people for example dont know that you have time if you dont get too close

[toxic reef]

I think I do take the bait too often

[distant mural]

So they rush

[toxic reef]

ye

[hybrid plover]

i mean that's just on the players at that point

[distant mural]

Ik but its not explained at all

So how wpuld they know?

[toxic reef]

it's hard to gauge how much time you have

[hybrid plover]

okay that's actually fair

[distant mural]

Cant even be mad because that was my mindset too at first

I see dh and think o shit we gotta kill it rn

And then someone told me i have time

They dont explain shit in dt

All my knowledge comes from dc and googling it myself

[calm shard]

Or they're one of the numerous bugged ones

[tender pasture]

wonder if uncanny's rending only triggering on weak spot crits would be a way to pull it back

[meager echo]

just put uncanny on every melee and remove the dots interaction.

[dapper coyote]

Put uncanny on every interaction

Walk? Someone bleeds

Jump? Bleeds

Reload? Bleed again

Turning on your flashlight, captain wolfer's nose is bleeding

[meager echo]

It's only busted against carapace, so if rending itself don't boost dot dmg, i don't think it's that strong.

fatshark should make a public test realm

and throw the wildest idea into it.

[solar leaf]

Does the on overwatch cheese still work?

[tame lodge]

Seems like it

[tepid otter]

someone say cheeese?

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-gif-25732604

[meager echo]

[tepid otter]

[meager echo]

Thanks FS

[severe lark]

Damm

[elder vessel]

voc needs a higher cooldown

[turbid ibex]

Holy shit they actually nerfed gold shout directly

[distant plaza]

Bonus Toughness Duration 15s → 10s
ouch

[gaunt hinge]

25% bigger clip wowee

[turbid ibex]

Not really

[pseudo fiber]

Holy shit a VoC nerf

[turbid ibex]

What was the attack speed talent from arbites that got nerfed again?

I mean buffed

[meager echo]

Going out to the balcony, Iit a cigarette and cried for a while. 🫃

[turbid ibex]

Dont remember which one was that

[shy raft]

HOLY SHIT VOC IS NERFED

ZEALOT ALSO NERFED FOR SOME REASON

[turbid ibex]

Tbf cutthroat was pretty much outclassing both the other options for cdr

Now i can see invocation being more worth considering

[storm pine]

Duty and Honour SHOT DEAD IN THE BRONX

[calm shard]

okay this but next time reduce 10 seconds from the duration instead

[meager echo]

So I'm going to be that guy that holding voc only for myself
FS made me do this

good

[pseudo fiber]

The one below forceful I think

[storm pine]

I was just spamming it on CD since the golden toughness can shield a sniper or burster

[meager echo]

How about remove vet from the game

No gold = arbites back in the menu

[pseudo fiber]

I'm in

[storm pine]

arbites can still roll around spamming L1 and ignoring every mechanic

[deep bone]

Good thing I use Exe stance

[storm pine]

back to taxe+shotty build since FS doesn't want me to do anything that's risky

[honest quiver]

very hot. very good.

[silver patrol]

VoC bros

has it ever been more over

[meager echo]

To be fair it's change nothing, voc still better than exe stance

[tepid otter]

I mean its not that bad imo

[meager echo]

You never run into toughness regen problem

you get one shot in h40

[silver patrol]

yeah that gold thoughness was usually lost before the 15 seconds were up

i just don't really understand why they felt the need to do this change

[meager echo]

So now it's just change from VoC for the team to selfish use

[tepid otter]

should see the ogryn mains in gen chat , they seem more upset lmao

[meager echo]

Or more vet to cycle voc

[tame void]

Is kill team vet dmg aura?

[tepid otter]

yeah

i think survivalist is still a must have for me lmao

[silver patrol]

i'm scrolling while comparing the skills to each of my char builds (i don't remember the talents by name), so i'm only at veteran now

[tame void]

Mmhm, a buff, but yeah survivalist it is

[meager echo]

obviously man, no ammo = no dmg

[silver patrol]

no

[meager echo]

even if it's 25% dmg I would not even consider

[silver patrol]

or at least, it shouldn't be, it's called Fire team

[tame void]

Wtf is kill team then

[silver patrol]

but i think they fucked that one up in the changelog

yeah they did

[tepid otter]

Even they dont know the names lmao

[dapper coyote]

Time to update the mods

[silver patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[bold sierra]

it's nice for when there's an extra vet at least

[heavy rover]

https://tenor.com/view/my-boy-massacred-godfather-marlan-brando-look-gif-13993325

[late magnet]

Time to stop using VoC now? XD

[heavy rover]

Patch notes got me like

[dapper coyote]

It's time to once again remake the builds....

[slow spade]

Duty and Honor nerf, Vet is kill

[dapper coyote]

AIGHT VOC BUILDS,

FACE THE WALL

[cunning haven]

no more duty, no more honour

[slow spade]

At least Lock and Loaded means more shooty now

Funny on automatic builds

[dapper coyote]

COMISSAR, DO YOUR DUTY TO THESE CONDEMNED BUILDS

AS THE EMPERORS WILLS.

BANG

[shy raft]

NO MORE YELLING ABOUT CADIA CONSRIPTS

[dapper coyote]

Aight, welcome back Execution stances...

Lets get shooting...

[bold sierra]

I played H40 with Exectioner Stance without any gold toughness from other classes and honestly it was really nice lol

smoke + Enhanced Target Priority can be amazing team support, highlights specials+elites through smoke

[dapper coyote]

I never used smoke

What does it do?

Stops the enemy from firing?

[bold sierra]

basically pseudo psyker bubble lol

[slow spade]

Blocks ranged LoS and light stagger on enemies in smoke

[dapper coyote]

Lmao

[slow spade]

Of note, it does not stop shooting only aiming

So they will magdump your last known location

[bold sierra]

yeah, enemies still shoot, but blindly

[dapper coyote]

So i can cheese the living shit out of a fight with a single smoke?

[slow spade]

Against ranged enemies yes

[dapper coyote]

Fair enuff

Thats what i would've done the same in other games

[silver patrol]

i wonder, does it work on the boss dude with a plasmapistol

[bold sierra]

well it does jack shit against melee enemies so depending on Havoc modifier, it can be really troll tho ngl

[silver patrol]

the male twin

[slow spade]

Melee enemies only get the slight stagger

[silver patrol]

another bot owned

[bold sierra]

Like on rotten armors, I'd REALLY love it if ppl stop taking smokes lmao

[slow spade]

The abominable intelligence

[dapper coyote]

AS THE EMPERORS WILLS.

BANG

[slow spade]

Less smoke grenades -> smite psyker rate increases UwU

[bold sierra]

wouldnt mind, or voidblast

[dapper coyote]

Also does it completely nullify snipers?

[bold sierra]

yeah

[dapper coyote]

Nice

[slow spade]

Yes but the lasers will still give you anxiety

[bold sierra]

yeah xd

[mortal aspen]

Infiltrate ignored

OP

[slow spade]

Infiltrate funny but cooldown long :c

[bold sierra]

infiltrate's fucking sick tho with Bolter, turns Vet into basically a ranged Shroud mosnter killer

[silver patrol]

i always wondered why Infiltrate has a much longer cooldown than Zealot's version

[slow spade]

We even have less cooldown talents too :c

[bold sierra]

yeah kinda do wish it is a bit shorter, but I think having 2 charges with 33%+ cd isnt so bad, you just kinda got to be a bit mindful lol

[midnight wyvern]

magazine increasing thing going to 25% @steep flower

[steep flower]

oh ye i saw; its much better now

[midnight wyvern]

gonna get into the 90k's solo

[steep flower]

worthy consideration for your build

[midnight wyvern]

updating to test now

[steep flower]

if the boss won't wiggle cause it was already a problem with 15%

[midnight wyvern]

yeah lol

20 round bolter

[bold sierra]

might actually be amazing for my Exec Stance bolter build

might not even need reload speed talents

[steep flower]

might be 21

cause it rounds up

actualy

10% out of 15 = 1,5 + 1,5 + 0.75 (basically 25%) = 3,75 -> 4 extra rounds

its gonna be 19

[heavy rover]

Plasma twin basically stands in the middle of the smoke and does nothing

[tame lodge]

90 bullets brauto

[midnight wyvern]

yeah it is

whack

only gained 1 from a 10% increase

[dapper coyote]

Whats good guns against Carapaces? Like plasmas?

[steep flower]

10% out of 74 = 7,4 + 7,4 + 3,7 = 18,5 -> 19 more bullets
74 + 19 = 93
you were close

[midnight wyvern]

so close man

inch out another little bit of damage and it'd be over

[steep flower]

boltgun to a degree

[tame lodge]

That's all that matters

[calm shard]

machine gun

it is a shame that all brautos are chambered in .22 LR

[dapper coyote]

Hangon

[tame lodge]

What's the recon 12 again?

170?

[unreal nova]

Can someone tell me the increase to VIc recon?

[dapper coyote]

My blue Autogun have uhhh

55

55 (+25%) is...

Uhhh

[midnight wyvern]

so

is it tech?

[dapper coyote]

69

[midnight wyvern]

is it nessesary?

no

[dapper coyote]

69 bullets

[midnight wyvern]

BUT

[dapper coyote]

Very nice

[midnight wyvern]

@steep flower no swap speed node for CKQZ lets me solo a H40 pogryn

[tame lodge]

It's like 120 now

[midnight wyvern]

[bold sierra]

is this auric psyka?

[midnight wyvern]

H40

[dapper coyote]

Finally, Scab gunner's gun

[bold sierra]

oh nice, yeha im testing the same thing

[unreal nova]

Oh.

Is like 6 shots diff then.

[steep flower]

remind me what CKQZ stands for?

[midnight wyvern]

right side red node

close quarters killzone

[midnight wyvern]

kinda cool

[dapper coyote]

New drip has arrived

[midnight wyvern]

it hasn't

[dapper coyote]

Idk, driptide channel is going nuts

Drip rotation is more accurate

[tame lodge]

Double Barrel vets seeing that they can have an extra 25% instead of 15%

[midnight wyvern]

no new drip in store yet, so prob this friday? or whenever it crotates

[bold sierra]

does Rampaging Enemies give enemies extra dmg resistance?

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[tropic halo]

best buff

[dapper coyote]

Finally a third barrel

The emperor has graced us with magical barrel

[silver patrol]

Even double barrel shotguns have chaos mutations now

[midnight wyvern]

7 shot revolver

[dapper coyote]

That existed irl

[turbid ibex]

It already gave you a third shot

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's the joke
Nothing changed

[mortal aspen]

they should give this to ogryn

[tame lodge]

[mortal aspen]

double barrel kickback

[turbid ibex]

Thats just lucky bullet

[dapper coyote]

Ahem the emperor's/omnissiah's grace

[tame lodge]

If six shooter is so good, why haven't they made a seven shoo- HOLY SHIT

[turbid ibex]

Wait hang on

[dapper coyote]

7 rnd revolvers do exists, they're RARE AS FUCK

Search nagant revolvers

[bold sierra]

no wonder lol, I was doing the same thing you were doing, and with executioner stance, didnt quite do the same in your vid, but pretty damn good with exec stance tho.

[pseudo fiber]

It'll be a rerun but no clue what
There's recolours for chem dogs, krieg and elysian in there

[dapper coyote]

The few revolvers that CAN use supressors/silencers

[midnight wyvern]

what're you running on bolter?

exe stance is more damage than what im using

just no self stagger

[dapper coyote]

Also what's the dump stat with bolters?

[midnight wyvern]

mob

[turbid ibex]

Goddamit i lost the clip

[dapper coyote]

Fair enough

[turbid ibex]

Mobility

[dapper coyote]

Shits already a brick

[bold sierra]

carapace and unyielding, with shattering and punc

[midnight wyvern]

the fuck

yeah I guess rampage just doing its thing

[bold sierra]

yeah

i got rampaging there

[midnight wyvern]

a non rampage one you should kill with ammo to spare

which is

[bold sierra]

yep

[midnight wyvern]

need HP buff on bosses

[bold sierra]

exec stance h40 monster killer

[midnight wyvern]

you see, I do the same but with shout

[turbid ibex]

Who up ramping they age

[bold sierra]

tested with shout w/s rampaging here, it's worse dmg but not bad ye

[midnight wyvern]

still have to reload for both

just saving ammo if you have the trigger discipline

[bold sierra]

ye ik

[midnight wyvern]

tempted to test with killzone

its a meme but with how often there is a second vet, don't want to stack survivalists

[bold sierra]

extra dmg is extra dmg

[midnight wyvern]

yea

with killzone bleed does like 2 ticks to kill at the end

thats silly

[bleak oasis]

Holy shit

[bold sierra]

that doesnt sound like a huge deal lol given usually someone wuld just strayfire into it lol

[midnight wyvern]

80,575 damage with no red

[bold sierra]

but for bleeding certain specials and elites, hell yeah

[midnight wyvern]

oh actually more, didn't account for the 102k

[midnight wyvern]

literallly just add 2k, goober
82,575

[bleak oasis]

This yellow toughness

[bold sierra]

10s is still pretyy hefty, just hope ppl wont spam it as much and save for the right moments more

[silver patrol]

i WILL use it on elevators

[bold sierra]

xd

[bleak oasis]

They nerfed muh yellow crutch

[turbid ibex]

100% uptime is straight up impossible now

I think

[bold sierra]

i ran h40 with 0 gold toughness, exec stanc, venting and shroud...didnt actually feel bad at all

ofc depending on your team too but ye

[midnight wyvern]

yea, lowest possible CD is 15s

[tropic halo]

piss yellow bar nerf

what a win

[bold sierra]

w

[turbid ibex]

Cdr curios and psyker aura

But pretty sure its not possible still

[bold sierra]

psyker aura also got nerfed so ye

[distant mural]

Isnt extra mag size a waste?

[bold sierra]

good tho

[distant mural]

Cause you dont get more ammo

[turbid ibex]

I mean the aura that gives 10% cdr to the whole team

[bold sierra]

oh ye

[bleak oasis]

But muh bolter

[distant mural]

It would make it even harder for me to save ammo 😂

Especially on bolter but maybe its me

[agile mango]

how significant is the nerf to VoC duration?

[distant mural]

Go exe

More fun and endless duration

[brittle turtle]

Fireteam aura so bad, Fatshark doesnt remember its name

[silver patrol]

don't worry, with the latest buff, billions will go Fireteam

[distant mural]

I dont feel like taking anything but surv still

Unless theres more then 1 vet

[unreal nova]

Wait, THAT what got buffed?

[brittle turtle]

as you should, because fire team (or kill team, as fatshark calls it) is still insanely bad, and movement speed is good but not at the cost of ammo

[dapper coyote]

Yes

5 to 7.5

[unreal nova]

Is more the name.

[distant mural]

I dont mind being slow

[brittle turtle]

barely above a third of a regular blessing or node, btw

[dapper coyote]

Killteam/fireteam

[unreal nova]

FS descriptions as usual.

[trim badger]

19 shots bolter with new lock and load

[midnight wyvern]

not if you can kill things inside that magazine because of the extra ammo

[trim badger]

Funny

[midnight wyvern]

there is value in not having to deal with something because it died in 1 second

[tame lodge]

None

[distant mural]

Yeah ik but uk what i mean

[tame lodge]

[brittle turtle]

Fatshark is really looking at a 7.5% damage value as something insanely broken or what

[tame lodge]

Gold toughness still broken as shit

[unreal nova]

Is why I'm like... WTF is that when reading.

[tame lodge]

[agile mango]

really❓ its a 33% duration nerf

[silver patrol]

they really could have gone straight to 10%

[brittle turtle]

They could have gone at 15% and it STILL wouldnt even compare to survivalist

[silver patrol]

yeah

[tame lodge]

Which means not much because gold toughness still broken as shit

[trim badger]

33% actually

[brittle turtle]

would you rather have a small damage buff or ammo ? .....Yeah, i'm gonna take the ammo, thanks

[bold sierra]

it's not supposed to, it's mostly for whenever there's a 2nd vet or sth to combine aura, and given ogryn gets like 10% to only melee dmg, 7.5% to all dmg is not that bad

[distant mural]

I feel like exe vet now brings much more calue to the team

[trim badger]

Maybe survivalist shouldn't be an aura... But a Talent / vet passive for himself alone...

[buoyant aurora]

Nothing is worth taking over survivalist honestly
Even if you feel like "trying something else that's different"
You still end up with survivalist because of how good it is

[distant mural]

If you have bubble and maybe even book or nuncio

[silver patrol]

i do think it should just be a talent

[brittle turtle]

The issue is that Ogryn's auras are good, but not survivalist level

[void dragon]

Would be nice if we could change auras on the fly without needing a friggin mod

[distant mural]

Yeah ammo any day

[dapper coyote]

Buff survivalist to give 50% ammo DIRECTLY to the mag

[brittle turtle]

Survivalist is the difference between a team in havoc scrouging for every bit of ammo they can, vs a team that doesnt

[unreal nova]

You take it and everyone is constantly near full so you can grabby all ammo. Unless you got another goober who forgot melee weapons and is not a staffker.

[distant mural]

Exactly

[bold sierra]

tbh no aura is as good as survivalist but it is what it is lol

[mortal aspen]

33%

[dapper coyote]

Yea, some fucker keeps nicking all of the ammo and at the end of the match all of us are red on ammo except for this BASTARD

[bold sierra]

maybe if u got a havoc team with 2 psykers lol, then go fire team maybe xD

[distant mural]

It is what it is

[buoyant aurora]

Exactly, you can run lasgun build for pretty much infinite ammo while others yoink all the ammo as you don't need them yourself

[void dragon]

Meanwhile me on the same boat but I got me ammo from all the pick ups my team left behind

[distant mural]

Some people just have no shame😂

[silver patrol]

i love when me and another dude open a big chest and the other dude instantly gobbles up all the contents

[brittle turtle]

Sometimes, they do it so fast you cant even tell what was in the chest

[buoyant aurora]

Classic lmao

[distant mural]

Thats really a moment of intense betrayal

[brittle turtle]

They gained level in loot goblining

[distant mural]

Some people have a auto pickup mod

They just donit by default lol

[void dragon]

"must eat all amo rashuns" ogryn tier brain reject on non gvryn snibbler

[meager echo]

that mod has 50% thresh hold

[brittle turtle]

lol, "screw my teammates" - the mod

[unreal nova]

I will nick anything left behind though.

[bold sierra]

every havoc game I play randoms, most of the time zealot, psyker and ogryn got 0 long-ranged weapon, while the vet is the only one killing ranged elites, it's nice when they let you take all the ammo

[distant mural]

Nothing wrong with that

[dapper coyote]

Oh, HE CLEARED EVERY BOX

[bold sierra]

but if ur running zealot with flamer, barely ever using it and be pissed that the vet with bolter/plasma take all the ammo, that aint cool

[dapper coyote]

EVERY CAN

EVERY BAG

IS HIS

He shot, reload, and PICK IT UP

[distant mural]

I try to give ammo to vet usually

I mean

Thats his thing kind of

[meager echo]

That throwing knife zealot pick up ammo to replenish his blitz

[unreal nova]

I just see how far my team is before nicking.

Not everyone wants to run back for stuff.

[void dragon]

They don't even want to retreat for their own life, certainly not for meager ammo that would make their life's easier

[dapper coyote]

He's playing arbites and theres 2 vet, one is me and the other is plasma

[distant mural]

And if you pick up ammo crate give it to vet

Make vet happy

And he gib ammo

[dapper coyote]

My life belike uuuaaaaaa

[unreal nova]

That's 3 people who needs ammo. Best everyone at orange.

[calm shard]

I don't want your hand-me-down ammo crate

[distant mural]

[unreal nova]

My crates have grenades though.

[distant mural]

Lmao

[dapper coyote]

Nope, hes full white (max ammo) and THE REST IS R E D

No fucking ammo

[calm shard]

me playing gunlugger ogryn be like

[dapper coyote]

We melee our way until we were at the finale

Where ammo box is finally deployed amongst the group

[void dragon]

That's a green light for ammo dumping so I can also benefit from the box I'm about to lay down, for the team

[unreal nova]

Did he double dip?

[stoic thorn]

Mortis death dealer revolver vet is really funny

[distant mural]

I just give ammo box away cause i usually try to save it till end

[dapper coyote]

Ahahahahahaha,

yes

[distant mural]

And everyone hates that😂

[stoic thorn]

Spec into crits hard enough and you get like

15 shots

And the new lock and loaded buff funny as fuck

7 shot revolver

[void dragon]

Double dipping without asking is for sissies

[distant mural]

Double dipping is a mortal sin

[unreal nova]

Unless it's a 3 staffker thing.

Then do whatever.

[distant mural]

Whoever double dips has mever played drg😂

[void dragon]

If there is a Spyker or someone needs it more and agrees that it will give it to the designated gunner? It is not so sinful

[stoic thorn]

If I catch someone double dipping in hd2 I will frag them

[brittle turtle]

Once had someone triple dip

[unreal nova]

Sometimes is more annoying trying to get ppl to take my share without turning mic on.

[distant mural]

Yeah ofc

[brittle turtle]

tried to deny it too, thankfully, scoreboard mod doesnt lie

[calm shard]

I have, and my turrets are hungry handover the ammo

[distant mural]

I feel that

Engi main

[calm shard]

Excellent move that way they come back with full ammo from the mandatory booster!

[distant mural]

But inmust resist

[calm shard]

And you can take their samples for the cause!

[void dragon]

Turrets are democratical priority for ammo, for their shooting is unclouded by communism

[distant mural]

I just kms in hd2 if im empty

[calm shard]

My stun lance is never empty

[midnight wyvern]

driller with flamer main

just leave the second pickup for someone else

[stoic thorn]

Also I'm completely maxed in my supplies who the fuck needs double supplies it refills all your ammo

Personally? I live off map supplies

I'm normally separated from my team

Using the torcher on bots was greay

[void dragon]

Havoc has pick ups worth less so if there is an active ammo void on the team then you could have that need

[unreal nova]

Reminds me of a joke I tell some in h40. Just let me die if I really somehow need ammo. I'm going to accidentally 300 ping myself into a bad moment anyway at times.

[calm shard]

I also regularly used the laser weapons and unlike apparnetly 99% of the helldivers community can click enemies on the head so I never really had ammo problems

[stoic thorn]

Bot torcher playstyle was fucking goated

[stoic thorn]

I used the torcher so I did need ammo regularly

But atp the ammo supply on maps are so fucking bountiful I didn't need to use supplies for ammo at all

Not on my RR

Not on my Stun Lance

[calm shard]

hell yeah

[stoic thorn]

The only thing I truly picked up supplies for is stimms

[calm shard]

jump pack, torcher, crisper, flamethrower, incendiary grenades

melt them down like they're an illegal bitcoin farm

[midnight wyvern]

spear getting ammo from map drops was such a good change a while back

[stoic thorn]

Grenade pickups are somewhat common

[stoic thorn]

I use torcher stun lance frags RR

[calm shard]

I don't even use RR because I ain't no coward

[lunar sedge]

I have 2k hours in DRG and I think around 1k of them are on Gunner

I love shooting things

[stoic thorn]

Using close range firepower really makes you learn how to dodge fire point blank

[midnight wyvern]

I've been running missile silo, hellbomb backpack, 500kg and expendables/napalm expendables so I don't use ammo very often

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/1lg0uDF

[stoic thorn]

I use 90% of my willpower dodging and weaving between bot chaff fire

Every so often I did stun lance a hulk to death

I stopped playing HD2 after SE because they nerfed fire on bots

Genuinely miserable flaming bot troopers

With how long it takes to bring down a squad of them now it's genuinely too inconvenient to weave between the huge volleys point blank and stoking the fires

[tropic halo]

I wonder if people gonna be taking fire team more now

[midnight wyvern]

I hope not

[steep flower]

still dogshit

[void dragon]

They will take it when ObeseFish adds swapping auras be a base thing instead of a mod

[steep flower]

build matters; also remember; boss does move around

[void dragon]

That's why I test my builds with bosses that actually fight back

[steep flower]

do you run marksman (not the keystone)?

[bold sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlK8h2IcIkQ

I run focus target

at least in this one

[steep flower]

as i asked; marksman as in not the keystone; the red one

[bold sierra]

ah

the 15% close dmg one

[steep flower]

NO

[bold sierra]

?

[steep flower]

its on the left

below exec stance

[bold sierra]

yeah like I said, I'm not running that one, I ran the 15% close dmg one

on the far right

[steep flower]

mistake; should run marksman

do it & you'll see

[bold sierra]

yeah I did, I'm using that one now

took an extra point for no big difference for the 15% close dmg one tbh

[steep flower]

his build needs some tinkering

[bold sierra]

it does

[steep flower]

its always the same story; crazy ass thumbnail - mediocre/not optimized build

[bold sierra]

I mean, build could use some extra work and all but I still played Exec stance with 0 gold toughness through the game so

and even if not optimized, isn't that more insane?

[steep flower]

the problem with not well optimized builds is that they can perform better obviously but when shown to the public the public will simply copy them & perform worse; especially with no guide to how to use them

[buoyant aurora]

Spent more time on making a thumbnail than thinking on the build lmao

[bold sierra]

dude I pasted in some pngs and colored texts, it aint that crazy lmao

[steep flower]

oh cmon; you undersell yourself

[bold sierra]

i guess, usually i dont even focus on the build that much anyway on the older vids, but people kept asking me to show build longer lmao

well, at least the ones that commented but yea

[steep flower]

i'm writing a guide to my recent vid; it can be tiring so i understand ppl not willing to put an effort

[buoyant aurora]

At least tou can paste them!
I can't do that without having my pc spazz out-

[bold sierra]

in my previous vids, I only scroll through the build really quickly, expecting ppl to pause to look, but surprises me the people that kept telling me to show the build properly

[steep flower]

i was thinking more on text to read with everything explained for why's & how's

[unreal nova]

Nobody reads those.

[bold sierra]

yeah I will say ppl want builds to NOT want to read lol, as frustrating as it is

[steep flower]

and thus they perform worse; their mistake

[steep flower]

only 1 word describing them
Pepegas

[buoyant aurora]

You're expecting too much :D

[unreal nova]

I don't read. I just make my own nightmares of builds.

[fair shale]

Its not that hard to

Its not like this game is PoE

[void dragon]

Dumb People like me struggle with tic-tac-toe, I need a written guide of how to place X and how to place O

[calm shard]

hell yeah path of exile

brick your build by level 20 and never know until you're level 80 and suddenly can't kill basic mob packs

and by then it costs an absurd amount to actually respec

it's so over

[steep flower]

more like
Path to Bankruptcy

[fair shale]

That skill tree is genuinely something the fuck else

[calm shard]

I have at least play PoE enough to know how to use Path of Building to make servicable builds

[void dragon]

That's what exile means in there

[calm shard]

But still holy fuck new players have it rough in PoE

Follow a build guide for everything until you have at LEAST 400 hours

And then MAYBE you'll have absorbed enough information about the skill tree to make your own

With help

From a 3rd party tool

[fair shale]

The path of exile 2 tree for the uninitiated

[void dragon]

No, I'll use the same build that someone else suggested me and make everyone else's problem until someone give new and improved will-carry-my-sorry-ass build

[fair shale]

Thats not even all of it

[calm shard]

The developer approved method going by PoE2's incredibly stupid balance decisions thus far

[void dragon]

Perk Constellation

[calm shard]

That almost exist to kill off-meta builds and nothing else

[steep flower]

have you seen grim dawn celestial tree?

[fair shale]

I have not.

[calm shard]

Oh there's a literal perk constellation tree in Grim Dawn

[void dragon]

Peak, can you become a dinosaur?

[fair shale]

This is pretty tbh

Kinda reminds me of the skyrim tree aesthetic

[steep flower]

was about to send that

[fair shale]

Where they had the nebulas behind everything

[void dragon]

True

[steep flower]

its such a fun game; very good too & balanced

the devs work on the game

[void dragon]

Somehow it looks less convoluted than the PoE perk Constellation

[meager echo]

Does anyone having this issue as well @.@

[steep flower]

DLC's are peak

[void dragon]

DCing is part of the ObeseFish experience

[calm shard]

Also a hell of a lot more friendly to "winging it" build wise

[steep flower]

FUCKING 2014 ERROR; ITS SOO COMMON

[calm shard]

I ran Occultist+Shaman and just focused on SICK AS FUCK RED LIGHTNING

[fair shale]

Generally speaking, yea

[void dragon]

I even had 2016 errors, it's crazy

[void dragon]

Can you become gigantic bear final boss?

[calm shard]

I don't actually know

I have not played that game nearly as much as I should given how fun it is

[mortal aspen]

Grim Dawn is just fancy Titan Quest

[meager echo]

Everything is normal till 20mins mark, then enemies strat floating and I got dced.
Rejoin doesn't fix, eveything still floating ...

[fair shale]

Im ngl ive had a burning desire to play more PoE so maybe I'll try GD

[hollow ibex]

lol lock and load might be kinda fun now

[dapper coyote]

The 25% extra magsize?

[hollow ibex]

yeah

i don't think it's worth taking tsill

but could be fun if you can somehow spare an extra point

[dapper coyote]

It made my IAG having 69 rnds

[red robin]

Damnn

Never thought I’d see balance changes in a hot fix patch

[void dragon]

Is the sign of progress

[hollow ibex]

i was wondering whta the fuck they were talking about with "kill team"

might be ok now

though realistically doubt anyone is taking it still lol

[surreal rune]

it could be 10 percent and everyone would still take survivalist

only at 12.5 would it be a noticeable pick over survivalist in some situations

[void dragon]

They need to make swapping auras a feature of the game, so if multiple vets are in game you can swap for the other ones

[surreal rune]

resetting a whole skill tree is annoying

with the decoupled auras and blitzes, i thought they would make it a feature already

[void dragon]

There is a mod for swapping without resetting all the perk tree

[serene bough]

This is a good idea

[hollow ibex]

yeah i've been using that, very nice

[serene bough]

Pls share mod i want to use too

Or at least its name

[hollow ibex]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/216

[serene bough]

Thank you

[serene bough]

Survivalist should just be replaced and be made baseline for vet

No other aura in the game is anywhere near as impactful as surv let alone the other two in the talent tree

[void dragon]

Does vet has a passive now like ogryn shove on dodge?

[turbid ibex]

immune to suppression

[serene bough]

They can peek over cover when crouched behind a box and ADS

[void dragon]

Probably survivalist needs a longer internal CD, so it triggers less in long fights, so you still depend of ammo pickups

[calm shard]

tbh survivalist does fuck and all in aurics

but in havoc?

mandatory

genuinely if you're the only vet and not running it you are going to be kicked, and you are doing to deserve it

[midnight wyvern]

people bad at the game will still benefit from surv in aurics

[surreal rune]

yes

[midnight wyvern]

they struggle with the amount of ammo aurics give you

[void dragon]

In aurics you need no ammo pickup with lasguns, I know because I tried and succeeded multiple times

[midnight wyvern]

[tame void]

chat wtf is kill team, they talking about fire team right?

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[surreal rune]

you never notice this inherent buff because suppression does nothing

against the player at least

[calm shard]

I notice it all the fucking time actually

[void dragon]

Because the don't pick up ammo, only speed run and dying

[midnight wyvern]

[tame lodge]

Yes

[calm shard]

Suppression is per weapon

[tame lodge]

That's FS knowing their names

[calm shard]

Some weapons are literally unusable while being suppressed

[tame void]

speak for yourself, this shit is annoying

[calm shard]

cough combat shotgun

cough infantry autogun

infantry lasguns get it by far the worst

[turbid ibex]

and that is an issue specifically with havoc because it fucks with the ammo pickups

[midnight wyvern]

bolter with suppression mixed with its fucked recoil

fun.

[tame lodge]

iLas was literally unplayable when suppressed

😭

[calm shard]

yeah bolter gets it pretty rough too

[tame lodge]

Yeah but at least bolter could suppress back