veteran-class

[meager echo]

I would give up ws sub key stone for agile engagement node.
I think you don't need that since you take the defensive node at the top of the tree.

[calm shard]

MOSTLY for the boss stagger

tinkerer is to ensure crushers die in havoc

grenadier for extra krak because rotten armour crushers are immune to gun damage

and also y'know

chuck a couple at a boss to stagger them

pop exe

obliterate it in 2 seconds

[hybrid plover]

Tbf we're going into havoc territory now

[shell python]

yeah, dropped on your toes for agile engagement

[hybrid plover]

In a majority of situations, grenadier isn't really needed

[calm shard]

I mean even outside of havoc it's just nice to have an extra krak that can build up

incase the game decides it's crushin' time

[hybrid plover]

I guess that's fair. But it competes with a lot of good stuff too

[calm shard]

and you are like me and are hopelessly addicted to infantry autogun/laspistol gaming

and hate the power sword

[hybrid plover]

I guess if we're talking those weapons particularly

Don't hurt to have it then

[calm shard]

tbh even with infantry autogun

I think dropping grenadier and something else for Agile+Onslaught would be worth it

[shell python]

i wanna run the infantry autogun more but it feels a little eh in my hands

[calm shard]

not counting rotten armor because absurd damage reduction

[hollow ibex]

try vraks if you haven't

it's godly

agri's ok

colum still kinda sad

[calm shard]

Agri is a hell of a lot easier to use

But Vraks is comical

[shell python]

yeah ive been running agri and it does fine damage but the low mag size hurts

lot of time spent reloading

[hollow ibex]

casual 12-13k boss dps lol

[shell python]

how would you build a vraks

[hollow ibex]

yeah tho reload is really fast

[calm shard]

Vraks on my exe+MMF build does 2000 damage per bullet to unyielding

[hybrid plover]

Yeah on vraks particularly, I do like onslaught

[fair shale]

I think vraks is easier to use than agri tbh

[calm shard]

2 shot a reaper

can one shot headshot gunners with a crit

if you have rending or onslaught you kill crushers in like 8 bullets and half a second

[halcyon gazelle]

Does Duty End also works on uhhhh, how do you call allies to be rescued

[hollow ibex]

you could kill 800 gunners per minute if you crit every shot

[halcyon gazelle]

or only in knocked down allies

[hollow ibex]

the voc modifier node?

it's a trap

sucks ass

it does rez teammates, but still sucks ass due to all the penalties

[halcyon gazelle]

yep

i run infiltrate but sometimes randoms make me wish to equip it

[calm shard]

+crit chance, then damage to Unyielding or Maniacs

[halcyon gazelle]

+im currently grinding voc to get the cosmetic

[hollow ibex]

i'd say unyielding or flak tbh

[calm shard]

DumDum, then your choice of Deathspitter (normal), Raking Fire (fuck beast of nurgle in particular)

[hollow ibex]

the maniac damage is already insane

raking fire + covert operative? is funny

but definitely a meme and not a good one

[shell python]

shredder autopistol is actually insane on infiltrate/weapon spec

and then run the vraks with exe/MMF?

[hollow ibex]

that's how i run it

though vraks can really be run with whatever tf you want

same with SAP tbh

SAP is just a vraks but peestol

[wild vortex]

Man why is shooter Vet so hard

[orchid hemlock]

smh

just press left click

[wild vortex]

I do, then the horde around me also does that and I die

[normal pawn]

because what gun are you using?

[hollow ibex]

gotta learn positioning

[wild vortex]

It's like, if I get some space I can wreck shit, but if I get surrounded I ded

[hollow ibex]

situational awareness

and melee basics

after that, it's ezpz

remember to push

[wild vortex]

Mk4 recon las with Dumdum / Headhunter

[normal pawn]

.... crit infi-mag build?

[wild vortex]

Ya

[normal pawn]

what are your grenades?
Is your big problem hordes of melees that you can wittle with bleeder grenades or tanks you need krakkers for?

[wild vortex]

Krak

But I guess I could go Frags instead since I have bloodletter chword

[normal pawn]

save your current build, try it out

[wild vortex]

My problem is actually chip damage from hordes

[hollow ibex]

situational awareness then prob

don't tunnel vision when shooting

[normal pawn]

if you dont mind not having infimag, just go inspiring barrage braced autogun and always have toughness while magdumping

[narrow widget]

brauto only good on zealot with dance of death imo

[hollow ibex]

Hey vet braced with ES is good too

[void dragon]

for the thunder hammer what blessing is better: Slaughter or Headtaker?

[hollow ibex]

usually want both

[void dragon]

isnt it Thrust one blessing also desired?

[hollow ibex]

it's a bit more memey to take thrust because you're losing a good amount of overall damage

for boss damage

could do HT Thrust

[orchid hemlock]

the only reason you really take thrust is to confirm the one shot breakpoint for mutants 😈

[narrow frost]

slaughter is more damage but headtaker is way better uptime

thrust is always

[void dragon]

but you oneshot muties on heavy special anyway (?)

ok someone LIED to me!

ty Ainz

[void dragon]

have you used the mk 4 Thammer? is it worth using? the special piercing and cutting fodder feels nice but dont think is made for oneshots like the mk2

[narrow frost]

I have never used the cleave special hammer

[void dragon]

thanks anyway mate

[hallow eagle]

What's better for high level Havoc now, Shredder or Krak grenades....? 🤔

[void dragon]

nowadays with the modifiers favouring caparace feels that Kraks do work

[hybrid plover]

All grenades are good for havoc in their own way

But rotten armor does make you lean towards kraks

[hollow ibex]

i never realized dclaw flak adms were this bad 💀

the heavies are a bit better but barely top 60% still

[void dragon]

yeah, its serious pain

[tame lodge]

The flak cleave damage distribution is even worse

💀

[willow prairie]

yeah that why it ass

literally everytime i bring up it have bad mixed horde someone jump in and do "euhm acktually"

[hollow ibex]

it's funny how fs has buffed like every aspect of the weapon

EXCEPT flak adms

also kind crazy that mk1 still doesn't even have a proper single target combo

[willow prairie]

it does have a single target combo

problem is you can't get into it fast

[hollow ibex]

what is it?

the only i could find was like L3 L2

[willow prairie]

pretty similar to the mk7

there a strike down heavies in middle of light combo

I forgor because it ass

but the loop is similar

[hollow ibex]

oh there's a strikedown heavy?

didn't realize

well won't save the weapon either way

[void dragon]

why you think i keep calling it worse weapon ever? so bad that even the Dueling sword came and stole its special

[willow prairie]

dclaw parry is still better tbf

[void dragon]

reason why i keep it on my Laspistol only build, so i can parry Ragers

[modest vapor]

Any tips and tricks for a brand new player?

[hollow ibex]

learn melee

the #1 mistake of new players is just shooting all game

and they end up bottom damage with most ammo taken

and get flattened the moment a crusher shows up because they never practiced meleeing

[static radish]

does field improvation work even if you're not the one placing the things down?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[static radish]

thank ye

[modest vapor]

I knew I wasn’t crazy when I thought the guns felt kinda weak compared to melee

[hollow ibex]

guns can be good, but there's a reason why your melee is the primary weapon

and the gun is the secondary

[tepid otter]

Grenadier vets kinda fun lmao

[static radish]

yup

[heavy rover]

if you hear a "woosh", that means someone's either going to melee you or shoot you. It's your sound cue to dodge / block

also don't feel rushed to immediately jump to the hardest difficulty you can enter, take your time learning the game, and don't be afraid to experiment

[tepid otter]

Just tried it in Havoc, pretty aight

Solid team despite being a bunch of randos together but the synergy was there

2 vets, an Ogryn and a Psyker

[distant plaza]

don't spend all your diamantine upgrading weapons until you get a solid on what feels good to use at 30
there's a big step up from malice to heresy (less steep jump from heresy to damnation) where bad playing habits get punished much harsher
don't try to play this game as a shooter, you need to learn melee skills
dodge, block and slide baby!

[narrow widget]

most guns are great at certain purposes ((((sniping hard to reach specials before they fuck over your positioning))))
don't just spam them into the crowd; that's what your melee is for

[modest vapor]

I will say I hate the laz gun for that reason

Feels like it does NO damage

[void dragon]

las guns have abundant ammo economy, probably one of the few weapons that can shoot hordes and get away with it the most (still not ideal) specially with shock trooper

but if you want some hard hitting laser weapon, the Laspistol is surprisingly nimble and can land weakspot shots that are killers

alternatively the Helbore is prob one of the strongest hard hitting weapons of the veteran, but its an adquired taste to use it

(still believe that ADSing should charge your shouts automatically)

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/green-explosion-skaven-gif-9272053709133071409

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhh-shit-a-rat-dance-oh-shit-a-rat-oh-shit-a-rat-gif-14187081

[tepid otter]

A rwat

[willow prairie]

vermin....

[halcyon gazelle]

combat blade veteran was fun, saw axe is funnier

[tepid otter]

Chainaxe?

[halcyon gazelle]

yeah chainaxe

idk why i cant change the language ingame

or atleast i cant find the option to, gotta do it from steam

but it doesnt works idk why

[tepid otter]

Never had to do that myself since its already English by default for me

[halcyon gazelle]

anyways yeah, i kinda regret getting the blade´s mastery now lol

crits bleed was fun tho

[tepid otter]

Saw someone mention Grenadier vet again so Im currently running that

Pretty fun

[narrow frost]

rate the build

H40 time

[willow prairie]

would this work as an actual build

[halcyon gazelle]

veteran lvl 30 done

woo yea woo yea

now i gotta set up my main build

[tame lodge]

Yeah

It has Iron Will

It'll work

[safe jacinth]

guys is this enough medipacks to survive a single gunshot wound?

[shell python]

perks and blessings to put on a DB for an infiltrate/weapons spec build?

[surreal rune]

flak, maniac
manstopper, flechette/run and gun

[dapper coyote]

No, you need more

[hybrid plover]

the upsurge of infinite smiters in havoc has got me concerned

[safe jacinth]

thanks alot, how many more

[dapper coyote]

Until you can cover tertium with it

[safe jacinth]

thanks

[storm pine]

I can't seem to make PSword work
Rolling around in Damnation to grind masteries rn and teammates have a habit of running off. When I get space to activate I can kill a whole horde yeah but if more trickle in I'm borked because vet is made of wet tissue paper

like if I activate or during the 0.8 seconds charging up a heavy, a few rando horde mobs hit me and I die

meanwhile tac axe has issues with Ragers but for some reason I can spam light my way through a mixed horde and not take any damage

[hollow ibex]

you have to be very deliberate with powersword

even though it's op as fuck, it's actually a really good weapon to learn melee basics

some weapons let you stay safe by dodging here and there

with psword you have to dodge, push, time your attacks for stagger

it requires a lot more work than most weapons but the payoff is enormous

[storm pine]

Yeah I noticed that mixed hordes die super fast, but the problem mainly is that when surrounded since the zealot and arbie ran off to god knows where, you can kill the front half with 3 swings but then the back half wrecks you while you're activating and charging up another heavy

With knife, tac axe, etc, I can stay alive by abusing the invincible frames

[hollow ibex]

charging heavies? make sure you're using mk6

mk3 is straight up worse

with mk6 you can block cancel and push

basically infinitely sustainable

and gives you space

mk6 lights also come out way faster

[storm pine]

any video on that

[hollow ibex]

than mk3 heavies

[storm pine]

I don't see the point in using the lights in a horde scenario tho

[hollow ibex]

mk6 lights horde clear way faster than mk3 heavies

[storm pine]

they don't reliably kill

[hollow ibex]

because the damage difference is hardly anything

[storm pine]

yeah I'm using mk6

[hollow ibex]

when you attack way faster

so there's no reason to use heavies basically

[storm pine]

wait really? MK6 lights do nearly the same damage as the heavies?

[pulsar zephyr]

What's the best shovel variant

[storm pine]

What about Sunder?

[hollow ibex]

sunder's meta yeah

[hybrid plover]

you dont use sunder for heavies

[hollow ibex]

idk the damage difference but heavies just aren'tw orth using

yeah

sunder isn't taken for heavies

[storm pine]

well, that's what I was doing wrong

[hollow ibex]

it's taken for the ability t o cleave carapace

and light attacks are way safer

because you can mass stagger

buying you time

[storm pine]

how do you push -> activate block cancel btw

[hollow ibex]

block cancel is charge -> block -> let go of block

[sullen scarab]

Oh yeah Sirosky, I was looking at your light show build, skipping shock trooper on the recon is fine because you just......don't shoot at every single thing that moves right lol

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's the point of the build

teach vet players that you shouldn't be shooting everything

[sullen scarab]

I like the dip into the ammo node right before

Haha

The tantalizing look, but don't touch, of Shock Trooper

[storm pine]

holy shit it's like night and day
no lag time at all

[sullen scarab]

I can swap Fully Loaded for Bring it Down right

[hollow ibex]

yeah whether you take shock trooper/ammo is just dependent on how much you want to shoot really

[sullen scarab]

I can never escape weapon specialist. It just worksm

[hollow ibex]

yeah next, you can try the charge -> block -> push combo

[storm pine]

nice xichun pfp

[sullen scarab]

thank you.....

glory to limbus company!

[charred salmon]

What exactly makes combat knife so good? like i just spam it against hordesand i guess it does okay but it just doesnt really feel thatgood. whats it supposed to do

[austere mica]

Go fast and kill anything with a killfeed popup

Oh and make you immortal

[charred salmon]

What is other good veteran melee?

[austere mica]

Psword, Rashad, tac axe

Probably other stuff I forget about frequently

[dry cloak]

heavy sword shovel and powerflachion

[charred salmon]

What is best blessing for knife uncanny and riposte?

[dry cloak]

shockmaul

[hollow ibex]

i would not put any of those on the list

and def not shock maul either lol

[austere mica]

Smaul is literally the definition of mid

[hollow ibex]

pretty much

[austere mica]

Heavy sword is massively carapace deficient

[dry cloak]

it does its job = good imo

[austere mica]

And cutlass apparently has issues

[austere mica]

What job does smaul do

[hollow ibex]

smaul is good against carapace tbf

[tepid otter]

Cutlass?

[hollow ibex]

falchion

[dry cloak]

stunning everything

[hollow ibex]

actually all the weapons i disagreed with have serious isseus

[dry cloak]

its a very safe weapon

[austere mica]

"Stunning" "everything"

[hollow ibex]

which is why i wouldn't consider any of them good

usable? yes, but not good

[dry cloak]

only weapon i see as bad is mk1 devilclaw

[austere mica]

There is a pretty large space between bad and good

[dry cloak]

i use all 3 weapon i mentioned as main weapons alot on vet they do theyre job

after all having fun is important

[austere mica]

Their

But they asked for good weapons with knife as the comparison

[dry cloak]

ds4

[austere mica]

Ds4 is worst now actually

[dry cloak]

i dont exactly regard knife as a good weapon

[austere mica]

Ds5 is winning

[dry cloak]

if you say so

i dont use ds at all

[austere mica]

Neither do i

Ds5 is fun to play like

A game with

Specifically with IJ or weapon spec so you can experience the highest dodge distance in the game

[charred salmon]

is ds just better knife?

[tame lodge]

Bro's trolling

😭

[tame lodge]

Better tactical axe

[frigid shuttle]

it's not binary like that.

[tame lodge]

My favorite quote

"Dueling Sword is Tactical Axe on steroids"

[austere mica]

Me when I'm wrong

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

Stuff changed since that quote was made

[austere mica]

Such as

[tame lodge]

So it doesn't hold up as well nowadays

[storm pine]

what's wrong with DS4

[frigid shuttle]

too good

[tame lodge]

Bajillion taxe buffs
Dueling Sword parry

But still a good quote

[hybrid plover]

busted single target, no horde clear

[austere mica]

Stabs got nerfed so 5's somehow better hordeclear and overheads + goofy ass mobility makes it better

[storm pine]

yeah that's my experience too
so ds5 somehow has better hordeclear now?

[tame lodge]

Unlikely

[austere mica]

Has had

[tame lodge]

Unlikely

[hybrid plover]

it always has. but i wouldn't say it's "good"

[tame lodge]

Same lights, except mk5 l3

[austere mica]

Its better

Not good

[tame lodge]

Which is also a Strikedown so 💀

Mk5 heavies are also not good for hordes

[austere mica]

Water is also wet

[tame lodge]

Mk2 is the horde one

Because you know

Heavy 2

Actually has cleave damage distribution for hordes

And the cleave

The parry messed up the single target rotation though

But tbh

Just go mk4

Bring frags

Just accept that you won't be slicing hordes at a reasonable time

Rereading the duelling sword changes

They really did nothing

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

Also good to know mk5 has stronger parry

[distant mural]

Who cares really 💁🏻‍♂️

Boring weapon anyway

[tame lodge]

Me

[hybrid plover]

ds overrated

[tame lodge]

That's why I'm reading

I care

[distant mural]

What bothers you about it?

[tame lodge]

Nothing ever bothers me

I'm serene

Zen

[distant mural]

You confuse me fren

[tame lodge]

Don't be confused

[distant mural]

I think the ds is good like it is now

Has a clear purpose and the special was too good at staggering

Now its a good balanced pokie stick imo.

[tame lodge]

I would not call it balanced

💀

They gave it a way to straight up block unblockables

While retaining high mobility

And the damage nerf ain't shit because classes got stronger

Which is peak Fatshark balancing right there

[distant mural]

Does that work on overheads?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

Same as dclaws

[distant mural]

Now that i think about it it is kind of bs yeah😂

Just delete dclaw at this point😂

Give people even less reasons to use it.

[dapper coyote]

Dclaws? More like oversized and overrated knoifs

[red robin]

man, i really hope dclaw gets the ultra rework

so sick of fighting armor for 5 mins

[distant mural]

Thats what it deserves

Heavys sword too

[red robin]

praying it gets unique parry blessings, even if it ain't optimal, i'll still parry fish for the sekiro gameplay

[distant mural]

Pretty much every weapon that just cant fckn kill anything armoured

The parry is nice and all but its just abysmall against cara

[red robin]

your reward for timing overhead is 0.5 carapace adm

nothing burger

better from 0.2 or 0.25 i fink from long ago

[tame lodge]

Hmmm

Seems like if the attack were to break your parry

Dclaw still attacks

[shell python]

i know i should run dsword because of the parry and everything but

oh my GOD its boring

and also just doesnt fit a vet

[red robin]

duelling sword?

or dclaw?

[shell python]

duel

[red robin]

I meannn

it's kinda like an officer sword

but still

[tame lodge]

Needs more testing

Which I'm not going to do

Because dclaw

💀

[frigid shuttle]

dclaw could be cute

[red robin]

all that science invested to find out it's nothing burger

[frigid shuttle]

1h sword was okay in vt

fatshark 😭

[red robin]

I would love if it had bretonnian longsword mechanic of charging heavies holds a block

[shell python]

yeah it only makes sense if youre larping as a commissar

[red robin]

monkeys paw will get me like, dclaw gets a parry blessing, looks inside to see counterattack

if that happens imma lose it

[tame lodge]

what the actual fuck

mk1

mk4

mk7

if the attack breaks 4/7 parry they still attack

mk1 doesnt

💀

[frigid shuttle]

[red robin]

mk1 dclaw is the worst one by far

that just makes it lose even worse

[willow prairie]

korean jumpscare

[tame lodge]

none of the dueling sword does that

so I guess dclaw 4/7 parry is up 1

[red robin]

kinda wish my brain wasn't so hard wired to avoid dmg by dodging, using the claw to parry feels like im intentionally soaking my socks in water

[shell python]

agreed

i keep forgetting that i can just

[tame lodge]

nevermind lol

[shell python]

block attacks

im always dodging

[tame lodge]

@tall torrent

woops mixed the order of the videos

but still

I can confidently say that nothing changed

vet still 1 shots crushers with Dueling Sword

damn, nothing ever happens

[red robin]

damnn

precognition insane

[willow prairie]

this is not considering exploit weakness

which proc all the time

right side funny

[tame lodge]

I'm just picking ft for melee because I like FT

you cant go wrong with it

Enough testing for now

A dueling sword vet could parry and one shot the black fortress

Effectively saving Cadia

[frigid shuttle]

What do you mean.

Cadia Stands.

[storm pine]

why didn't Sanguinius just equip a dueling sword to parry and one-shot Horus
was he stupid

[hexed vale]

Sanguinius was a power sword main

[storm pine]

clearly he forgot to use the push-attack

[tall torrent]

lol

[tame lodge]

[pulsar zephyr]

Which shovel is best

[willow prairie]

the og

[frank basin]

man the foldable being bad?

it being left over at the corner for long time now

[calm shard]

it doesn't get buffed because people don't talk about it as much

it's just quietly horrible

rather than loudly awful like the dclaw or chainsword

[frank basin]

underapreciation

[azure narwhal]

I didn't really feel any of the complaints about mk3 tbh, it was just, strong.

With dec + uncanny it was easy to take care of carapace even in rotten armour havoc where i took it

Horde clear was nowhere near as bad as described with consistent combo loop

[frank basin]

[calm shard]

serrated blade helps its mid horde damage a lot

but yeah mk3 was the okay one

when I saw quietly horrible I mean the folding shovels

[azure narwhal]

Yes

Serrated blade i almost alwayd take tbh

Especially in this scenario

Uncanny strike

Your bleed is efficient even on crushers

Same idea for my knife vet

[calm shard]

the ogryn philosophy

just have brittleness/rending so your bleed helps with crushers lmao

[azure narwhal]

Yeppp

It is unironically that strong thats the funny part

Few lights and before you know it they're bleeding for 300+

[dapper coyote]

Also serrated blade node is funny

Let me bash my enemies with this relatively blunt IAG stock

bleeds

[frank basin]

Serrated stock

[dapper coyote]

This goes to every melee atk btw

EVERY MELEE ATTACK

So you punching with the knife? Bleed

[frank basin]

Does pushing count?

[dapper coyote]

Bashing with a gun? Bleed

[dapper coyote]

No

[frank basin]

Shame

[dapper coyote]

That's not melee attack unfortunately

[frank basin]

The knife punch

With bleed sound like have the key knuckes

[willow prairie]

huh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477231216714579968/1429436307360186490/Warhammer-_Vermintide_2_-_2025-10-19_6-47-50_PM.mp4?ex=68f621cd&is=68f4d04d&hm=e3d6cc14325d1106e0aea4965f0ed2f3128c2c95498c347ab2d1f4fc6e96de32&

[dapper coyote]

Push to despawn

[meager echo]

You can do this very consistently in screaming bell map. Any knock back will despawn it.

[willow prairie]

is screaming bell or grain faster for exp

[meager echo]

screaming bell is the fastest

And the scripted boss at the end can be cheesed consistently

I use this method to farm exp and emperor vault.
The host will lose the deed scroll if he start, so the one who join the party have to start the deed (usually the best map is screaming bell).
Fs is awared of this exploit but they don't remove it so I guess it's allowed.

It's the fastest way to farm red and help your new friend get into the game.

[willow prairie]

yeah don't have anyone to do it

[meager echo]

I was lucky. I ran into a group that do this. They help me farm gears.
Vt2 is one of the best game I've played but the grind is absurd...

[static radish]

why does it feel like stealth is so short at times

also may someone recomend me a weapon for the stance ability?

[calm shard]

ends when you smack a dude

[static radish]

no no sometimes without me doing anything feels much shorter

maybe im just crazy

[calm shard]

the best executioner's stance weapons (imo) in no particular order are: Helbore Lasgun, Bolter, Infantry Autogun (Agripinaa or Vraks), and the Laspistol

[unreal nova]

Buggy? I know I had shroudfield drop out of nowhere before less than 2 secs in without attacking.

I think it breaks if you get hit in melee.

[static radish]

i see

i thought braced would be good due to many bullet

[unreal nova]

Cos I usually am getting hit then when they target someone near and suddenly no shroud.

[calm shard]

It's like okay but the braced itself being extremely bad holds it back

[static radish]

hmm

[calm shard]

Braced autoguns have very bad finesse (weakspot/critical hit damage)

[static radish]

ohhh makes sense

[calm shard]

Executioner's Stance does make their spread way better tho

[unreal nova]

Gotta test it, but yeah. And I was playing duos so the other knew my shenanigans. Bots don't care anyway.

[static radish]

i just dont like infantry auto guns due to the sights

or rather, the lack of them

[calm shard]

I like the infantry auto sights so much I unironically used to use them with the weapon customization mod xd

[static radish]

the new mod doesnt allow me to put sights on infantry autoguns

also i gotta figure a strategy for these two penances

make every shot count and long bomb

[vapid void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220443775147442278/1429470812867657838/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.10.19_-_15.01.14.01_online-video-cutter.com.mp4?ex=68f641f0&is=68f4f070&hm=80776af74b5240c4e7ba897a3d3512e646a558d467439f9971af879752315f51&

gun magic

[calm shard]

yeah it's gonna take a long time for new mod to catch up

[odd yarrow]

Do we have any melee weapons that can stagger ragers out of their attack animation? It seems like even the shovel with an impact blessing can’t do it

[static radish]

saltzpyre?

that you?

[static radish]

yup

[static radish]

far as i know the non armored ragers cant seem to be stunned no matter what i do (besides abilities)

then again i am most likely wrong

[odd yarrow]

I know ogryn shield heavy attacks can knock them out

[calm shard]

both chainswords (push attack for green one, heavy atatcks for blue one)

[static radish]

i suppose i was wrong then

[calm shard]

Heavy Sword (Special Attack), Shovel (Special Attack), Power Sword (all powered attacks), Chain Axe (Lights for Mk IV, Heavies for Mk XII), Rashad Combat Axe (push attack), Tactical Axes (Push Attack, Special)

[static radish]

oh shovel special attack?

my thanks

[calm shard]

yeah

the folding ones can't stagger ragers

[static radish]

yes yes just the "basic" one

[calm shard]

Mk 3 which is the regular one and the good one staggers with its special

Also staggers crushers

[static radish]

ooooo

[vapid void]

who

[static radish]

if this is a deez joke im gonna be pissed but saltzpyre is a vermintide character who plays...bassicly like that lol

tho the gun is in the other hand

[vapid void]

o

[static radish]

yeah

he has a rapier and a pistol

[vapid void]

one motion makes quickdraw revolver very funny

[static radish]

you hit with rapier builds crits i think on the pistol and BLAM

very fun

[vapid void]

thats exactly how this works yeah lol

[static radish]

lol

saltzpyre gaming then

tho vermintide's characters like...most of em didnt have guns

[vapid void]

you slash people and it builds a guaranteed crit for the revolver then i just swap and click on somethings head

[static radish]

oh interesting

[vapid void]

revolver has a thing for 60% rending on crit

so you can just erase people

[static radish]

damn

i have some problems with some penances

i cant do them for the life of me man

[sudden cedar]

Which of the bunch?

[static radish]

on overwatch

and the one where you gotta have 90% accuracy

and no ammo at the end

i am running infiltrate and double barrel with speed blessing to try to get em both

oh- needed to be heresy for make every shot count

piss

[distant plaza]

double barreled shotty, melee of your choice, choose something besides survivalist
keep unloading into anything/everything, as long as one pellet hits something it counts the shot as a hit
rolling steel for the shortest one to do it on

[static radish]

so i was right with the first one

[hollow ibex]

you can also use braced fire to burn through your ammo super quickly

for the double shot

[static radish]

i feel like i need help tho, even on running steel, like..idk an ogryn with taunt or sum

[static radish]

true

[distant plaza]

one motion and brush up on your swapping skills

[static radish]

alright question

i dont understand weapon specialist

[distant plaza]

what's the question?

[static radish]

can someone explain me on how weapon specialist is useful?

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1418078742198095964/706A021.MP4?ex=68f6577e&is=68f505fe&hm=e8d6655aec32e0c0c06df483dac8dabfda7d6f440105915717715d6c61bba90d&

how it works

you kill 3 dudes in melee

swap to your ranged weapon for a free crit shot

kill someone with your ranged

swap back to melee

[static radish]

oh

oke

now its a bit clearer i guess

[hollow ibex]

it's a very powerful keystone for hybrid play

[static radish]

i never knew how to use it ngl

[hollow ibex]

yeah this is 50 bruisers

and cleared them in like 13 seconds from a cold start

WS juices the fuck out of your melee

[static radish]

fair

[hollow ibex]

and makes some weapons super powerful

like DB

because with a guaranteed crit + manstopper/flechette, you can apply bleed to an entire horde in seconds

thanks to infinite cleave

[static radish]

also is supression like...fear bassicly?

[willow prairie]

bruh i hate fucking controller man

[hollow ibex]

yeah though half the enemies in the game don't get suppressed

[willow prairie]

😭

[static radish]

i see

makes sense tho

[steep flower]

Time 2 get a PC

[static radish]

you're jumpscaring fodder with infiltrate

[steep flower]

Thats stagger

[static radish]

erm achtually

it clearly says

"supress"

[willow prairie]

I don't have fucking place for mouse atm

shit is rough

also chaos waste host crashed

[distant plaza]

if you wanna be cheesy, infiltrate into the midst of hordes and slam home a kill on a poxwalker
rather than using it for high value targets/aoe/and so on sniff

[static radish]

i got that stealth grenade build

[distant plaza]

from what i gathered when i did the penance
it's the suppression applied to enemies near you when you pop out of stealth that counts for the penance

[frank basin]

is only one crit shot, not useful using rapid firing weapon, but one shot weapon is do

i wish that ranged buff lingering crits for duration

rather consume the crit shot

[hollow ibex]

tbf lingering crit would prob be a bit op unless they toned down the cirt chance

which i wouldn't want them to

[sharp epoch]

discount shout

[void dragon]

scam shout, dont even stagger melee enemies

[serene bough]

I cant think of any practical use of infiltrate other than being able to underhand 2 shredders undetected

Which ofc its not very useful

[hollow ibex]

Hey stealth bomber goes hard

Though yeah infill in general is not in a good state

[serene bough]

Its pretty good in isolation but yeah, not in comparison to what exe and voc do

[hollow ibex]

yeah ofc

[calm shard]

please god lower its cooldown

and give it like its own cooldown reduction upgrade

make it the de facto unga bunga damage ability

[steep flower]

Free objectives
Free revives
Not being bothered by chaf while on special killing duty thanks to low profile

[serene bough]

Voc does objectives & revives well enough

And low profile is trolling

[steep flower]

Do that while under fire; voc will push first wave but after that chaf will still get ya; infiltrate lets you solo an interrogation

[steep flower]

Instead of dodging all the time & pulling out melee to fend off chaf you can shoot while in the middle of the horde as long as you’re with teammates; it basically makes you invis for up to 18 sec

[serene bough]

Infiltrate lets you solo objectives but its nowhere near all the trade offs to use it over voc

[steep flower]

As long as you’re near teammates & don’t attack chaf

[serene bough]

I really hate low profile

[hollow ibex]

i still love infil but boy does it need help

[hollow ibex]

yeah i don't think it's good design

[steep flower]

Ofc but you said you can’t see any other use other than what you listed so ye; i gave you a list what it does

[steep flower]

You might do ye but its value is underrated

I know; i played it

[serene bough]

Practical use, I wouldn't say bringing infiltrate just to solo objectives is worth constant gold toughness and stagger replenishment through a whole mission

[serene bough]

Its throwing

You screw your team bc you cant manage your horde

[steep flower]

You have no idea and thats ok; maybe one day you’ll see

[hollow ibex]

eh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1428625649047834714/5292FC1.MP4?ex=68f5d1d1&is=68f48051&hm=70556fd26a06f39aea3b2486180dce58c84db51528d6df66b05ebc29bf90181e&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1422753980957589554/56BA4F1.MP4?ex=68f63626&is=68f4e4a6&hm=5bf5a22112b5a46127192a0a02174671ad90b3a5bafbfcccebedc58a91fe0531&

[serene bough]

Im talking about low profile not stealth + shredders

[steep flower]

Mah man is using the mk3 shovel finally
Good

[serene bough]

Stealth w/ shredders is the only use i can see as viable

[hollow ibex]

yah it's fun now that vet has a bunch of damage juicing on the right side

though i sitll can't stand deci

[serene bough]

Objectives are okay too but the time to do an event vs how much time you spend in a mission is not worth the investment

[steep flower]

Then you need to revisit the thing & detox yourself from voc usage

[serene bough]

Ur just not making good arguments for its usage

[steep flower]

Only source of cleave really; only picked for that reason

[steep flower]

Nah boi; you refuse to listen - gave you enough

[serene bough]

Shredders aside the trade offs of infil to the other two abilities are not worth the investment

[steep flower]

You need to do better

[serene bough]

Your points are shredders (already addressed), objectives (once or twice a mission), and low profile (trolling)

Vs constant gold toughness ans stagger throughout the duration of a mission, or high ranged buffs & visual improvements

[steep flower]

And revives

[serene bough]

VoC then revive is equal if not better

Esp now that people seem to take revive speed on curios it seems

[steep flower]

Depends on the situation

[serene bough]

Nah

Theyre almost identical unless you want to troll revive your teammate being bonked by 7 maulers/crushers

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[steep flower]

You know they added grace period after revive for fire & overheads right?

Get your memo before you speak

[serene bough]

If you believe having easier revives is worth taking infil over voc despite all the defects of infiltrate I wont argue

[steep flower]

All depends on team composition too

Mission too

[serene bough]

Im just informing you that the reasons youd take infil over the others are not anywhere equal or comparable to the benefits of the other two abilities and acting as if the ability is so is disingenuous at best

[steep flower]

Its a team based game & vet has many playstyles that offer all good benefits

[serene bough]

Further touching up for infiltrate is required for it to be more competitive of a choice

[narrow widget]

infiltrate mains when they realize shroudfield exists:

[steep flower]

I never said it was equal; you keep rewinding that like a broken record

[calm shard]

tbh shroudfield is worse in a lot of ways

mostly opportunity cost

because why do only one big hit when you could just be using Fury and do two big hits?

[serene bough]

Yes, because that is my point lol

[narrow widget]

infiltrate also has issues with opportunity cost

[calm shard]

Infiltrate is at least the biggest damage boost of the actives for vet

[serene bough]

Im not going to change narrative or be hypocritical of my argument it should be consistent

[steep flower]

Not when you run overwatch (which you should)

[calm shard]

hell yeah spend 1 talent point for arguably a sidegrade to the default talent

gaming

[steep flower]

There is a reason fotf uses 2 charges; despite long cd infiltrate double charge lets you use it more often in a pinch

And 8 sec invis is a long time

Combine it with a mobile weapon; you can go & rescue your team from a hopeless situation

[narrow widget]

or rescue them into mauler overhead

[steep flower]

Grace period was introduced to that… and fire dmg

So they won’t die

[serene bough]

The grace period doesn't do much improvement lol

It'll prevent you from instadeath but voc still better bc full stagger and space making

[steep flower]

Its like 2 sec atleast; my friend got rezzed in fire and he survived

[steep flower]

Thats such cope its hilarious

[serene bough]

Mmm yes

[steep flower]

Stagger & space making undeniably

[serene bough]

Im aware you enjoy infiltrate and can display its usage but these points your making are just not convincing enough to use over voc

Perhaps your own skill and the skill of your team can compensate for using but its still not worth for many players/situations imo over voc or exe

[steep flower]

It all comes down to personal skill & team composition & mission you’re tackling - it still has value and it may not be on par with other things but thats like comparing a fish innability to fly to a bird… sure it can’t fly (can hover tho) but it can swim… and thats undeniable value of it

[serene bough]

Im not sure what to say to that analogy

All I can say is several team comps will prefer gold toughness and stagger over aggro dumping and objective/revive utility

[steep flower]

Ppl learn; stagnation is the muderer of joy - and making things other than meta and seeing tgem work & their value makes playing this game (and others) more enjoyable

[steep flower]

Basically; invis will never be as good & easy to use as voc but it does other things good if not better than it - just like fish cannot fly but can hover over the waves so does bird cannot swim but it can stay afloat

[sharp epoch]

its 1

but thats enough to dodge backwards out of fire

[steep flower]

To me it lasted longer than 1 when my friend got revived in fire

[sharp epoch]

I think counterfire gives a bigger damage boost in terms of total throughout the game because its uptime is almost forever

[steep flower]

Maybe perception mishap

[hybrid plover]

You mean exe stance?

[serene bough]

No what I meant was your analogy was kind of ridiculous lol

[dapper coyote]

Chat, wtf is cleave or strength?

Rending is AP or ignore armor

[steep flower]

That analogy is used in psychology

[dapper coyote]

I keep seeing them in my shotguns blessings but i NEVER know what the fuck does it truly mean

Is it extra DMG? is it extra knockback?

[serene bough]

Uh

Okay lols

[silver patrol]

cleave is how many targets the weapon can hit

strength is damage, stagger and cleave

[dapper coyote]

Nvm i got the answer on the other channels already

[calm shard]

yeah prob but only for gun

[sharp epoch]

yeye

[hybrid plover]

All you need rlly since veteran is already kind of a monster in melee rn

[gilded wraith]

Any opinions on top 5 melee? PS and knife, what would the other 3 be?

[silver patrol]

for veteran only?

[hybrid plover]

Rashad combat axe, mk7 tac axe, dueling sword mk4 (ough)

[silver patrol]

what about the falchion

[gilded wraith]

Thanks!

[hybrid plover]

Not really great tbh

Decent damage

But the movesets are weird and kinda unresponsive, blessing pool isn't great, and no stagger

[silver patrol]

maybe i was too used to the duelling sword, but i also thought it was kinda meh

especially when it's not powered up

[hybrid plover]

Nah it genuinely is just kinda mid.

And yeah

Unpowered is horrendous

Its like they didn't learn anything from how well they designed the relic blade

[silver patrol]

i was pretty excited for it since i really like the relic blade

[hybrid plover]

Because that weapon functions similarly with virtually the same blessing pool and its not even close

It's just way better

[hollow ibex]

FS learned nothing about why people like RB

[silver patrol]

yeah i feel there was some hype about before release (excluding the fact it's another damned melee weapon instead of ranged weapon for the supposedly ranged class), but everyone stopped talking about it the day after

[hybrid plover]

Because it's mid middington

It's not bad mind you.

But there are just much better options

And it doesn't actually feel great to use

There is just something about the swings and how delayed they feel that make it feel, not great

That's my #1 complaint with it personally

[hollow ibex]

Tbf vet isn’t really a ranged class anymore

[hybrid plover]

Never was

[silver patrol]

i don't think it's controversial to say it's the class with a supposed ranged focus that other classes don't have (except psyker but that's more about psionics)

[hybrid plover]

If there's anything this rework did, it's at least make it clear what veteran is supposed to be

[silver patrol]

a bomber?

[hybrid plover]

Everyman class

[hollow ibex]

Nah it’s been a hybrid class for a very long time

[hybrid plover]

Hybrid

[hollow ibex]

Melee is very important on vet

[hybrid plover]

Especially now as they are one of the best melee damage dealers

[hollow ibex]

The vets I see with the lowest damage are typically those spraying recon las all game

[hybrid plover]

A good vet will make even something like a combat knife put in work not just as a mobility tool but as a proper melee weapon nowadays

And that's without considering power sword

Power sword just kinda makes vet almost unrivaled in melee

[sharp epoch]

Meh vet may have the most dps, but survivabillity is way worse than other melee classes

[shy raft]

PS is insane on havoc

[hybrid plover]

Ya true.

But thats a good trade off then.

High highs. Low lows.

[shy raft]

Martyr has much more damage than vet and psyker tho

however, skill ceiling

[sharp epoch]

his dr is very conditional and team oriented (close order drill and iron will) and the ps mobillity is one of the worse in the game

[hybrid plover]

More damage than psyker is kinda debatable tbh

[sharp epoch]

also no stagger with ps on crushers and bulwarks unlike ogryn and arb

[hybrid plover]

Melee psyker is absolutely busted rn

[shy raft]

eh, lets say more damage to armors

melee psyker is insane

[hybrid plover]

Even that is debatable

[shy raft]

I revived my old 300lv psyker

holy hell

[hybrid plover]

Because fgs + dd

Or anything with uncanny + dd

[hollow ibex]

psykers have a built in class feature that lowers the difficulty level of every match they join by one level

[shy raft]

veteran has lots of survivability tw

but not much mobility

[mighty willow]

My geeked ass being exploded by a mauler spawning behind me everytime i try to use the left side of the skill tree

[hollow ibex]

vet surv is there until it isn't

aka the moment iron will drops

[shy raft]

eh

[sharp epoch]

and you get thrown out of the team coherency by a mutie

[shy raft]

veterans high skill ceiling is keeping iron will up lmao

right side keystone helps with that a lot

still, all classes weaker than zealot in term of survivability

[heavy rover]

high skill ceiling is using left side keystone to keep up iron will

[shy raft]

I'd rather 4 veteran than 4 arbites

[shy raft]

that's suicide lmao

[mighty willow]

Yeah, but Zealot is silly tanky now

[sharp epoch]

4 arbs can win, they'll just clear super slow

[shy raft]

4 arbs can win indeed

4 veteran will win on h40

[sharp epoch]

people have soloed h40 on an arb but not vet

[shy raft]

arb almost like created for clutch

[heavy rover]

I prefer thinking of it as putting on ankle weights like Rock Lee or Goku

[shy raft]

I've only played it pre patch

[mighty willow]

Being a vet main for a while i will say. Other veterans scare me cause it's a gamble of if they are God Tier or a ragequitter

[hybrid plover]

I'll be real. This is why I've been preferring exe stance in havoc lately

[shy raft]

but I was able tor egularly clear eveything when clutching

it was impossible to die

[hybrid plover]

I ran it on vent purge with counterfire and enhanced on a 33 yesterday

Was so comfy

[shy raft]

God's gamble lmao

it was worse on arby, dunno if it's still

[mighty willow]

They either know exactly what they are doing and never go down. Or they go down almost immediately and i see their icon be replaced by a Bot

[sharp epoch]

Yeah I was running melee exe stance on havoc too, still can't decide between them. On one hand, shout keeps your team alive, on the other, exe keeps me alive

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a02606aa-11c1-4470-9bb1-fc3f2d315f31/emperors-fusiliers

been really liking this

[shy raft]

team always priority

[hollow ibex]

though still leans more ranged than melee

prob 60/40

[heavy rover]

I will say, it does get hilarious combining Iron Will and Exhilerating Takedown. absurd damage reduction

[sharp epoch]

but maybe I am the team

[shy raft]

until 50 crushers

or 50 maulers

[sharp epoch]

if exhilerating worked for melee that would be nice

[hollow ibex]

would be insane if it did tbh

[heavy rover]

that would go crazy of it did

[slow spade]

Close Quarters Order + Exhil Takedown + Iron Will

very funny times

[sharp epoch]

please fatshark 🙏 😔

[hybrid plover]

also born leader if you can get it

since that helps your team a lot with exe stance actually

[mighty willow]

Like, every class has a stereotype. But i feel vet is the most popular one to the point their stereotype is the embodiment of "that one in a million chance you'll get a cadian who can solo a Space Marine, while the rest is cannon fodder"

[slow spade]

a lot of Vet talents synergize with coherency so I usually try to get Born Leader now

[sharp epoch]

Like 2% toughness per second roughly for exe, not including ck and o4b

[slow spade]

especially on higher diffs where grenade spam shines

[hybrid plover]

confirmed kill is what makes it kinda bonkers

[slow spade]

iirc Born Leader is 20% toughness of what you regen

[hybrid plover]

ye

[slow spade]

so it's usually way more value as Vet is typically high toughness

[hybrid plover]

the only unfortunate thing

[slow spade]

though I suppose that requires teammates to not get demolished from being shot at

[hybrid plover]

is that in pubs, you really want someone at least to run golden toughness

[slow spade]

yeah

[hybrid plover]

if you're gonna go exe stance

[slow spade]

just have a pocket Relic Zealot

[steep flower]

you mean stagger not goldie

[slow spade]

like any normal Havoc team UwU

[hybrid plover]

nope i mean gt

[steep flower]

its the stagger you need; not golden toughness

when you run exec

[hybrid plover]

stagger also helps

[slow spade]

the stagger helps but isn't the main value

[hybrid plover]

but the unfortunate reality as of late, is the amount of things that will just ignore your toughness in high havoc

especially with how awful the sounds been

[slow spade]

yeah the plasma gunners have been very rude laltely

[steep flower]

lemme tell ya this; if they would remove golden toughness from voc it would still be most picked ability for vet but if you would remove stagger from it it would immediately be replaced by other 2 abilities; maybe even make vet way less played

[slow spade]

if they removed gold toughness, everyone would just move to Exec stance lmao

more damage, toughness regen, and marking on like a 80% uptime (exag)

if you need stagger just drop a nade

5% is 100% chance if you're lucky UwU

[hybrid plover]

i dont think this is true anymore, honestly

exe stance glow up is very significant

[hollow ibex]

Yah ES pretty nutty now

[hybrid plover]

the stagger is nice, but it's not something you can rely on nearly as much anymore with tac awareness being nerfed the way it wasa

as opposed to exe stance which can potentially go on forever

[steep flower]

the only thing they added was 10% toughness per sec; ppl call xec stance pog now but that thoughness restoration is more of a bonus tbh - nothing else changed; and ppl not running CK is the other problem - you don't have problems with toughness regain unless you don't run it

[hybrid plover]

stun immunity

[steep flower]

its still the onlys tagger vet has from abilities with a press of a button

[shy raft]

or zealot

[hybrid plover]

but you have means of stagger, that isn't shout

gold toughness is the thing that isn't exactly replaceable

[steep flower]

ofc but we talk about abilities purely here

[hybrid plover]

i wasnt

i was talking about the general utility of the two

shout is great for the stagger and the golden toughness. but the stagger itself can somewhat be replaced by other utilties vet has

golden toughness simply cant other than someone else running it

and golden toughness right now... while a crutch, is also unignorable given a good chunk of damage in havoc that's taken ends up being damage that blue toughness cant prevent

even barrels contributing heavily to that problem

and flamer tanks

btw

i am getting tired of purg psykers, speaking of barrels

[slow spade]

yeah...I can't complain though because I run a grenade spam build

so I'm also very responsible for barrel damage on teammates lmao

[hybrid plover]

well, tbf

barrels and flamer tanks

gold doesnt do anything either

but what gold does do something about

are snipers and (silent) poxbursters :^)

[slow spade]

the fucking shooter hordes a flat +50 toughness helps a ton I find

[cobalt sparrow]

I have been killed by my psyker buddy blowing up barrels on me more than anything else the last week

[hybrid plover]

i tanked like five gunners at one point on exe stance on h40

shit is bonkers when you get enough toughness regen

[slow spade]

true

[primal zealot]

ok so whos the streamer who told everyone to only use recon

by the emperor if i get one more reconbot in a mission im gonna have a major league chudout

[slow spade]

the problem is that recon can be used to good effect

IF you have a good build...

meanwhile the average quickplay vet probably doesn't even have Shocktrooper UwU

[hybrid plover]

You don't even need shocktroop tbh

As long as you. You know. Use your melee.

[slow spade]

yeah but you know exactly what a random vet with a recon is going to be doing as soon as they see a poxwalker horde

[hybrid plover]

That's what I'm getting at

[slow spade]

eh still though I get the pain

[hybrid plover]

What I've really been annoyed about lately

[slow spade]

the servers? lol

[hybrid plover]

Is infinite smite psykers

I can't stand playing with them

Hate it

[slow spade]

ah yeah, I hear they've been rampant in the latest Havoc season

[hybrid plover]

Yes. And I don't even think it's that good.

[slow spade]

honestly I get Havoc is hard but I still want to have fun

[slow spade]

agreed, at least purg psykers don't just turn off the enemy

[hybrid plover]

It just stalls everything to the point where another time based horde is gonna come around and sandwich you

And before someone says EP smite is highest dps

[slow spade]

god yeah that's the worst part, they usually don't have the dps to make Havoc not a slog

[hybrid plover]

Idc because it still doesn't do that much damage at the end of the day

[slow spade]

agreed, I think those EP smite build posts are the exception and not the rule

to be fair, I'm not in high Havocs

[hybrid plover]

I am.

It sucks.

[slow spade]

pain :c

yeah I didn't like the new Havoc modifiers that much. Don't want to have to hate my teammates as well lol

[hybrid plover]

I want my reciprocity buffs God dammit

[slow spade]

I LOVE CRIT

I need to try a tac axe build one day

I know they're good on Arbites but I want to see them with the funny rending and damage a vet can give lol

[hybrid plover]

Tac axe is really good on vet rn

[slow spade]

yeah I've been seeing it lately and I've been liking what I see so far

got a maelstrom

see ya c:

[primal zealot]

reconbots are worse

[red robin]

Man

I used to sleep on the tac axe

But playing it with double barrel hotswap feels like doom

The push attack insanely fun and fluid in gameplay

[narrow frost]

its always been this way, but people kept saying its bad

[hybrid plover]

i've always been a tac axe believer

the buff just made it better

and now that vet is just beefed tf up, it's way better now

[gentle lake]

Man

[covert fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1082449202023510107/1328190847572905994/togif.gif

[cobalt sparrow]

this sounds great

[red robin]

it be fun

[cobalt sparrow]

whats your talent set up look like for that if you dont mind me asking?

[red robin]

lemme go check rq

[mortal aspen]

the build (tm)

[red robin]

ur pick of blitz really

[cobalt sparrow]

my goat

tyvm, this sounds like a fun setup

[red robin]

taxe good into carapace, but krak can just dissect them

one motion is kinda overkill on db and taxe, but i just like insta swap

revive speed on curios is personal pref ngl, can take gunner resist if ya want

[stable socket]

i feel like krak is the best crusher deleter this patch, in tight spaces sometimes you can get 4-5 crusher kills in one throw with how many are stacked on each other, really useful in rotten cuz once the crushers die your team can just steamroll the ragers/maulers

[red robin]

invigorated on weapon specialist is really just for push attack spam and consistent stamina uptime, can take on your toes instead for more toughness

[storm pine]

How does this build deal with Carapace?

[red robin]

i misclicked shredder and was lazy to reset to take krak

[cobalt sparrow]

awesome, ty!

[red robin]

but taxe does work

[narrow frost]

If you hit the crusher in the head it'll deal damage

[elder vessel]

rizzless weapon

Boring special

[red robin]

whats a rizz weapon?

[elder vessel]

No flair

[red robin]

if its dclaw

you up in the patrician echelons

[storm pine]

yeah I found it kills Crushers and Maulers eventually but it takes a while compared to actual piercing weapons
Still worth it since spamming dodge on tac axe basically makes you invincible against hordes

[mortal aspen]

[elder vessel]

chainaxe is a rizz weapon

[red robin]

ooo

[storm pine]

TRU

[red robin]

what do you take on chainaxe?

need more excuses to use it

[elder vessel]

headtaker/slaughterer/thrust

carapace/flak/maniac

[red robin]

what variant goes off?

[elder vessel]

4

[red robin]

either or?

ok ok

[hollow ibex]

i think 12 is better tbh

[elder vessel]

you think

You'd be wrong tho

[hollow ibex]

nah

[storm pine]

I like chainaxe and other slow movespeed weapons (that can deal with Carapace) paired with revolver or laspistol

[hollow ibex]

XII is safer in hordes

[red robin]

dump stat?

defenses or mobility?

[hollow ibex]

and the horde clear speed difference is basically irrelevant