I have fun on low difficulties every once in awhile
#veteran-class
calm shard
meager echo
Im mediore at best.
calm shard
I am not bragging I am calling you an idiot for unrelated reasons to my ego
Higher difficulties should not be accessible to average players otherwise people who need a game to be challenging cannot find enjoyment
If you do not have fun on higher difficulties then you can simply lower the difficulty to a level where it's fun for you
There's only so much you can restrict yourself while still playing the game on higher difficulties
Especially if the weapons you happen to like using are the stronger ones
Like yeah I could go and try to solo havoc 40 with a devil's claw sword and that'd be a "challenge" but it sure wouldn't be a fun one because I don't like the devil's claw sword, and I don't like doing solo runs
calm shard
If you do not have fun on higher difficulties then you can simply lower the diff...
Equally also this right here is why all the major cosmetic rewards from havoc require Havoc 25 at the highest
So people who do not enjoy Havoc's challenge do not need to interact with it too much to get the snazzy black uniforms
meager echo
Then i respectfully disagree.
I think people should be able to clear havoc regardless of their skill.
They should have the cheese option and the high effort option for people enjoy the challenge.
calm shard
You cannot have both
They will conflict with eachother, and everyone will choose the cheese option simply because why wouldn't they
Helldivers 2 had this exact problem
Everyone and their fucking dog is a meta-chaser like you in that game
And they constantly bitch about the game being easy, and the devs keep buffing and buffing and buffing because weapons being good isn't enough for them
And there's no challenge to be had for someone like me because I don't like solo runs, and I want my games to be challenging most of the time
meager echo
The way i see it like in elden ring we have the omegalul build with mimic and the no aow play style to enjoy the game.
calm shard
Elden Ring is not a coop focused game
Elden Ring is designed for solo play, and any coop inherently makes the game much easier as a result
meager echo
We can have different lobbies for different group of people right ?
eternal venture
Helping out in havoc 30s is always funny
calm shard
Darktide is designed entirely around the expectation that there will be four players
Like literally it's a core part of the design because of Coherency
eternal venture
it has the highest concentration of dunning-kruger players who try to coach everyone else on the team
willow prairie
yeah because they're not good enough to get to 40
calm shard
We can have different lobbies for different group of people right ?
This would inevitably divide the playerbase, and one side or the other would simply cease to exist
Likely the "I want the game to be hard actually" side as that tends to be a smaller part of the community
Again see Helldivers 2
There was a brief moment that Difficulty 10 was actually kind of hard depending on how the game was feeling (and the enemy faction ofc)
And literally exactly this happened
oop that's not the full thing
meager echo
I'm against the idea making the game harder especially just for the small minority of players.
Just do challenges run.
calm shard
calm shard
I'm against the idea making the game harder especially just for the small minori...
What the fuck do you think Havoc is?
Nothing is forcing you to engage with it if you don't like it
It's there specifically for the people who want shit to be harder
Again as I said earlier the most desirable cosmetics from it require Havoc 25 at the highest
meager echo
Do you think havoc need to be more difficult than it is right now ?
calm shard
Everything beyond that is just to flex
eternal venture
Wait aren't you guys arguing for the same thing
calm shard
And get the snazzy titles from Havoc 40
meager echo
I dont think so at all, average players struggle after new tree, they are not winning more my friend.
calm shard
Wait aren't you guys arguing for the same thing
I'm arguing that hard difficulties that exclude average players should be allowed to be hard
Nate thinks that average players should be able to accomplish anything
willow prairie
yeah except havoc isn't that hard and is mostly annoying to go through
eternal venture
I... don't think that's what he's arguing?
Thing is
Havoc right now is hard and tedious
a lot of the good players don't like it either
meager echo
Its only easy for meta abuser.
eternal venture
and it just makes the game even harder for average players
willow prairie
there basically zero variety and the modifier isn't fun
calm shard
The tedious part comes from some straight dogshit modifiers
eternal venture
I think what Nate is saying is that there's no need to make Havoc even harder than it already is
when you could make it 'easier,' and it would STILL be too hard for your average player unless they put in the work to get better
(which is fine)
willow prairie
breakpoint literally don't exist because modifier etc
meager echo
Most people are not meta abuser like me, they don't join discord to ask for advice man.
eternal venture
Ahh I missed that
meager echo
If you nerf the game, they wont even play havoc.
turbid ibex
If you nerf the game, they wont even play havoc.
I dont see the problem tbh
eternal venture
The tedious part comes from some straight dogshit modifiers
imo it's a combination of ass modifiers, enemy health buffs, and less frequent gold toughness compared to before the patch
calm shard
Less frequent gold toughness needs to happen more
turbid ibex
Lower difficulties exist for a reason
calm shard
Until gold toughness is no more
eternal venture
Gold toughness is indeed a problem
meager echo
So what is the incentive for the dev to improve havoc if most dont play it man.
calm shard
Most don't play it, but statistically it's the most dedicated players that spend the most money on the game
There's monetary incentives in providing content that extremely dedicated players can continue to enjoy if the regular game doesn't keep appealing to them
Which is also why Havoc keeps getting new modifiers and having old events pushed into it
eternal venture
Aspirational content that most players can't do unless they put in the time and effort to improve is fine imo
turbid ibex
Aspirational content that most players can't do unless they put in the time and ...
Yeah like
eternal venture
The problem is that the devs are in an arms race with the players (and themselves)
turbid ibex
Shocking news
eternal venture
and thus we get powercreep
turbid ibex
Hardest difficulty supposed to be difficult
eternal venture
The combination of enemy health buffs, tree changes, the enemy horde trigger changes, and the current havoc modifiers make the list of viable weapons in havoc even smaller than it was before
which means the game is more one-dimensional
and thus, more tedious/boring
There's even less room for experimentation than there was before
Good players can and do make suboptimal weapons and talents work all the time, of course
But the gap between, say, bringing kraks and VoC + bolter or plasma + psword to a mission
and literally anything else
willow prairie
difficult =/= annoying
eternal venture
is huge
yeah exactly
the current state of things just makes the game more one-dimensional and annoying to 'solve'
chuck kraks at wall of armor and meat while frontline staggers it
riveting gameplay
pseudo fiber
Why is gold toughness not just more toughness why does it even have the additional effect
eternal venture
No idea
pseudo fiber
Just make it better against ranged if it needs to stay special
eternal venture
Problem is, Havoc is pretty much balanced around gold toughness preventing snipers/overheads/bursters from doing massive health damage
and it's balanced around gold toughness existing to help you push up against walls of gunners that will otherwise shred you in 2 seconds
calm shard
The combination of enemy health buffs, tree changes, the enemy horde trigger cha...
I haven't really felt this personally?
On Psyker and Vet
meager echo
Problem is, Havoc is pretty much balanced around gold toughness preventing snipe...
No gold is straight up no hit run.
eternal venture
so they'd probably have to completely revamp Havoc scaling and spawns
meager echo
No one can face tank.
eternal venture
On Psyker and Vet
tbf Psyker is the same but even stronger now
calm shard
Zealot, Arbites, and Ogryn are 100% capable of facetanking even on havoc
Or well "face" tanking in that you can get hit in between dodges relatively frequently
because why wouldn't you be dodging
eternal venture
Its old builds got even better, melee psyker is now viable, and Just a Dream lets it tank hits better than Vet can in most situations
azure narwhal
Why is gold toughness not just more toughness why does it even have the addition...
Well, it does not have the same behaviour as toughness so it would be confusing. Gold toughness getting melee'd is still gating your HP, normal toughness getting melee'd will chip. This would be hard to tell in one condensed big toughness bar
meager echo
Zealot, Arbites, and Ogryn are 100% capable of facetanking even on havoc
then remove gold on vet, i move on to ogry, arbites, or zealot
calm shard
Veteran can against ranged enemies specifically because Exe stance+MMF is wild
meager echo
why would i play vet
eternal venture
every class can get shredded in a couple seconds flat if you just walk into gunfire
meager echo
calm shard
The way you talk why do you play this game at all
eternal venture
You still need to dodge and slide, which isn't facetanking
willow prairie
On Psyker and Vet
yeah the 2 currently strongest class in the game with the strongest weapon
meager echo
The way you talk why do you play this game at all
I play to win, not to lose.
I don't like losing.
eternal venture
Vet has the "key" to solving the biggest problem in havoc right now
meager echo
eternal venture
which is massive amounts of health and armor
that key is called krak grenades
(also psword, bolter)
so yeah, it feeling the same or better after the patch would make sense
calm shard
I can't see how Zealot would get worse either
What with FOTF still being a "press this button to annihilate the nearest Crusher"
eternal venture
Zealot technically got much better as a class
but it is often relegated to chorus duty in havoc, even with the big buffs
calm shard
Which sucks because Chorus Zealot is outright bad
azure narwhal
Then again tbh i feel like people shove more things into "mandatory" in havoc then there really are. It's easy to blame personal faults on teamp comp/loadout but that can also blind you to your own play
azure narwhal
Which sucks because Chorus Zealot is outright bad
It is tbh
calm shard
Like genuinely would be a throw pick if people weren't so reliant on gold toughness
meager echo
Which sucks because Chorus Zealot is outright bad
no it isn't
eternal venture
But that is a product of Havoc demanding utility over straight damage
dark surge
Which sucks because Chorus Zealot is outright bad
?
meager echo
what are you talking about ?
eternal venture
Chorus buffs your team's damage by 30% for 10 seconds
azure narwhal
Chorus zealot got nerfed lately
meager echo
post your purple + rotten armour run time pls
eternal venture
makes everyone invulnerable, gives you gold toughness
dark surge
zealot lets you mass stun a horde and is essentially a get out of jail free card
meager echo
h40
willow prairie
chorus isn't spammable anymore doesn't mean it is bad
dark surge
thats the most valuable thing you could have on tide endgames
eternal venture
but it is not bad
calm shard
Every class in the game has tools to give the team breathing room, and most of them are not stunning you for 5 whole seconds to do so
willow prairie
but it being less spammable does make other ult more appealing
eternal venture
It is the best breathing room tool in the game though
how is that bad
Like you could call it a crutch
honest quiver
stunning..... you....??
calm shard
Arbites pocket smite, Vet shout+grenades/bolter, Ogryn box, taunt, charge, grenadier gauntlet, rumbler
eternal venture
which I would agree with
willow prairie
Every class in the game has tools to give the team breathing room, and most of t...
yeah stunning you for 5 seconds along with the entire horde
calm shard
Psyker voidblast staff, bubble, shriek (kinda), bolt pistol
willow prairie
while giving 30% damage to your team
meager echo
post your purple + rotten armour runs time then we talking about chorus weak or strong.
calm shard
All of which are stronger CC tools that don't stun you for 5 seconds, and usually also do damage
eternal venture
Arbites pocket smite, Vet shout+grenades/bolter, Ogryn box, taunt, charge, grena...
Regen Shock Mines is indeed very very good as well
dark surge
All of which are stronger CC tools that don't stun you for 5 seconds, and usuall...
doesn't shout last for 1 second
dark surge
you stun and then 2 seconds later they get back up unless you magdump kraks
calm shard
It's upwards of like 10 seconds on some of the human enemies depending on the stagger anim you get
dark surge
chorus is guaranteed
eternal venture
All of which are stronger CC tools that don't stun you for 5 seconds, and usuall...
None of those make your entire team invulnerable, though
willow prairie
bro cannot be real
calm shard
It's also very good at staggering bosses actually
eternal venture
Compensates for weak players
And it makes good players play even better
meager echo
Compensates for weak players
This is why chorus is so strong.
It make no skill players be on pair with fotf
dark surge
if i can take the pressure off my team for more than 5s such that they're not getting shot at, they dont have to worry about anything related to movement/blocking and can just do optimal dps
eternal venture
What a weak player uses as a crutch, a good player uses as a tool to be even stronger
calm shard
Except chorus doesn't really do that
meager echo
Go run fotf and see if you have better time than chorus in pubs.
eternal venture
etc etc
calm shard
If you could sprint while using it sure, but slow jog
calm shard
Go run fotf and see if you have better time than chorus in pubs.
I do usually because I actually get to play the game
But I also rarely play zealot
meager echo
then post your run time my guy
willow prairie
uh ok
dark surge
I run fotf too because im bored of chorus
calm shard
They're my least played at around level 87-ish true level
eternal venture
FotF tax axe my beloved
turbid ibex
Fotf and shroud are def a lot more fun than chorus
brisk marsh
FotF is more fun than Chorus, imo
dark surge
its way more fun
turbid ibex
But chorus is def not bad in the sense of being weak
eternal venture
Chorus just needs a rework imo
willow prairie
fotf is more fun but that doesn't mean chorus is weak
calm shard
I severely disagree just because of how much shit in this game outclasses it while allowing you to play the game
Shout vet is right there
eternal venture
Whether that’s a pulsing aura that lets you act during it, or something else, I dunno
calm shard
If you need your gold toughness to live play that
meager echo
I agree wholeheartedly that chorus is boring af. But calling it's weak ??
post your fotf run time in pubs with rotten armour + purple and compare the differnt.
dark surge
Golden toughness is like 50% of the reason why people bring chorus
eternal venture
I have a feeling chorus will always be your character holding the holy icon out because that’s a classic 40k mini pose
dark surge
the other 50% is to mass-stun a horde for longer periods of time
turbid ibex
If you could sprint while using it sure, but slow jog
Also ngl this is actually a pretty good idea
willow prairie
Golden toughness is like 50% of the reason why people bring chorus
yeah except for the cc and damage boost
gold toughness voc is enough
eternal venture
Exactly
eternal venture
PRAISE HIS NAME
dark surge
imagine if ogryn, arbites, vet or psyker could stand still for 5s+ and just focus on doing damage
dark surge
that's technically top optimal dps you're doing since they dont need to care about defending themselves
calm shard
imagine if ogryn, arbites, vet or psyker could stand still for 5s+ and just focu...
I don't need to imagine because literally all of them have tools to do this themselves
dark surge
they can just focus on dps
eternal venture
AND youre buffing their damage
meager echo
the same for venting shriek vs bubble.
I don't agree with the notion that venting shriek give you faster run.
eternal venture
I don't need to imagine because literally all of them have tools to do this them...
They can save those tools for when chorus isn’t up
calm shard
yeah bubble on Psyker is pretty good
eternal venture
Very good*
calm shard
Ironically not the best at what it does, and certainly not Psyker's strongest ability because Scrier's is stupid and Fatshark keeps buffing it for some unknowable reason
But it's def a strong ability
eternal venture
If this is a havoc vs not havoc divide we’re having here, then I totally understand
turbid ibex
the same for venting shriek vs bubble.
I don't agree with the notion that venti...
It could give a faster run but it would also be a lot riskier
dark surge
gyze the pick rate on scrier's gaze is low which means it must be WEAK we need to buff it!
fatshark prob
meager echo
It could give a faster run but it would also be a lot riskier
In premade yes, in pubs no way it's faster
calm shard
in pubs you'd be lucky to have a single guy with horde clear
eternal venture
All my premade friends stop playing after a couple weeks 🙁 pub life it is
calm shard
this includes inferno psykers who somehow can't kill hordes
dark surge
actually crazy
calm shard
Chorus just makes you die slower because your group won't have damage
eternal venture
That’s a bad player issue then
calm shard
Especially if you (the one guaranteed good player) are the one running it
eternal venture
Not a bad ability issue
meager echo
Chorus just makes you die slower because your group won't have damage
no man, Think of it as a tool to enable less skill players.
willow prairie
wow whole team get 30% more damage and you still manage to have no damage
meager echo
You can't solo carry pubs
eternal venture
If the players are that bad then you were going to have a rough time anyway
calm shard
Having good damage can turn around a bad situation by killing enemies that cause problems
willow prairie
and you can just cancel it once the buff kick in so not like you're losing anything
eternal venture
If the players are decent, chorus will shore up their weaknesses
meager echo
It's strong because it's enable low-skill players to play optimally.
calm shard
You can't solo carry pubs
I sure fucking can...up to like havoc 29 on gun psyker
eternal venture
If they’re good, they’ll be even stronger
calm shard
Not quite good enough to carry above that yet
And my binging of FFXIV is not helping in that regard
dark surge
its also strong because it allows high-skilled players to just not care about the game
eternal venture
^
meager echo
The main reason I never run krak in pubs despite it so strong right now is you never need more dmg.
You need to keep your team mates alive.
They die to gunners not, crushers
eternal venture
tbh Havoc 40 is so predictable and tedious right now that I get more enjoyment out of helping H30s climb with off-meta builds
calm shard
Fun thing about that you can actually do both
eternal venture
I find they die to both crushers and gunners
calm shard
Use a vigilant autogun, laspistol, whatever head clicker of your choosing
eternal venture
I find smokes more fun anyway
calm shard
I have been adoring krak+exe vet
eternal venture
It is very fun aye
dark surge
tbh Havoc 40 is so predictable and tedious right now that I get more enjoyment o...
i can never get a game up with off-meta builds since i keep getting rejected
calm shard
I can't carry with it because I am shit but it's definitely capable of supporting the team and killing all the gunners
Born Leader +exe with CK you can just gun down every elite/special on the map and it keeps your teams normal toughness topped up the whole time
meager echo
Smoke + bubble = melee only run, no need to even engage with gunners
just straight up ignore them
turbid ibex
I have been adoring krak+exe vet
Ive been adoring crack
calm shard
i can never get a game up with off-meta builds since i keep getting rejected
People aren't checking your build they're looking for True Survivor title
meager echo
the only thing i shoot is specialists.
calm shard
Or already having done a 40
azure narwhal
Ive been adoring crack
Lay off the pipe mate
calm shard
Mostly because you need mods to check someones build
dark surge
People aren't checking your build they're looking for True Survivor title
this is the one ive been missing
calm shard
And I can tell you this for a fact because I don't have True Survivor
But I run literally every Havoc 40 cosmetic on my character frame
And get rejected anyways
dark surge
i honestly fucking hate party finder
steep flower
And I can tell you this for a *fact* because I don't have True Survivor
You want one? I can give you one
meager echo
Just take smoke, enable your front line to melee gunners.
Throw another smoke at your feet and take your time looking for specialists.
calm shard
You want one? I can give you one <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
Sure. I'll throw the game to ensure we fail
steep flower
Sure. I'll throw the game to ensure we fail <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926...
Nah you won’t
vapid void
recon lasgun or infantry lasgun?
turbid ibex
They serve different roles
turbid ibex
Just use whatever you have
vapid void
melk is sellin a 60% mobility recon one so
turbid ibex
That being said the ilas is kinda overshadowed by a lot of other options
turbid ibex
melk is sellin a 60% mobility recon one so
Recon dump stat is collateral
vapid void
which is ideal though, mobility?
turbid ibex
I remember at least one of the marks dumped cleave but mobility works on all og them
turbid ibex
Like as long as the other 3 stats are all at 80 it doesnt matter much
willow prairie
cleave damage is not a thing on ds anyway
calm shard
I remember at least one of the marks dumped cleave but mobility works on all og ...
Mk V dumps cleave because it gets replaced by defences
languid stump
So what if you can see
the darkest tide of me
No one will ever change
This reject that I have become
unreal nova
which is ideal though, mobility?
Def/cleave damage is better dump for ds4 and 5. Mobility for 2.
Mostly because mk2 actually has (small) area hitting attacks.
torn night
🫃
shell python
what kinda build works best for the shredder autopistol?
kinda thinking it works well on infiltrate/weapons spec
hollow ibex
kinda thinking it works well on infiltrate/weapons spec
good with WS yeah
usually best as a quickdraw sidearm
serene bough
These are my helbore (mkIII) builds give feedback pls and thanks (top is CK and Longshot)
trim badger
whats dump on dueling sword?
MK2 either
MK4 dump cleave
MK5 dump defense
trim badger
These are my helbore (mkIII) builds give feedback pls and thanks (top is CK and ...
No skirmisher?
trim badger
I find im not getting the 4 stack uptime as much as I'd like
You can dodgeslide once every 8s and you should be able to keep it up fully stacked
Yes if you dodgeslide it also counts
serene bough
I know but still tedious
Its a huge dmg boost but idk if worth if im going for heavier ranged focus
trim badger
I play with mk 4 and even then it's still worth it
serene bough
Where should I pull a point to include
gilded wraith
Where should I pull a point to include
What's your Tactical Awareness uptime?
serene bough
Pretty consistent i target specialists often
For exe build i can deff pull 25+ toughness node but idk about voc build
gilded wraith
Pretty consistent i target specialists often
I felt that way as well, but uptime mod only showed a 12% combat uptime.
Reality is, everyone targets specialist. The closer the team is to your skill level, the trickier the kills become.
serene bough
Mmm
I havent measured my uptime so you could be right
I can imagine not taking for exe stance but id imagine its still pretty important for VoC no?
gilded wraith
Definitely has more value for VoC and Infiltrate.
serene bough
If i had to choose between agile engagement or skirmisher which is best
hollow ibex
Prob skirmisher
serene bough
Could leave out 25+ toughness but thats pretty valuable
gilded wraith
Skirmisher
hollow ibex
both are very strong tho obviously
void dragon
I remember that they give equal damage boost, just that Agile engagement requirement is more weapon dependant
hollow ibex
well skirmisher is also base damage
serene bough
Helbore + ps6
hollow ibex
which is even better than AE
serene bough
Idk how necessary sup complex is for helbore w/voc
Maybe ill leave out agile and try that
@tall torrent any advice pls
Also, do kraks count as ranged kills and proc 25% melee dmg on agile
outer wolf
What's the alternative to plasma gun on H40? I hate that weapon
heavy rover
What's the alternative to plasma gun on H40? I hate that weapon
Helbore
agile forge
Do people still use the Bolter and Recon in high havoc?
idk how the meta's shifted
but they were popular for a while too iirc
recon 12 in particular iirc
meager echo
What's the alternative to plasma gun on H40? I hate that weapon
Why do you hate it ? Are you running out of ammo or it's too op for your enjoyment ?
outer wolf
Why do you hate it ? Are you running out of ammo or it's too op for your enjoyme...
I just don't like the weapon itself. It's not fun
Feels like shit
heavy rover
Really?
Yeah. Helbore is my go-to. Its sights have been improved. Draw time has been sped up. And I don't see myself panicking over ammo even on havoc 40
meager echo
What do you want to use your gun for, sniping specialists ? I don't think there are many options viable.
outer wolf
What do you want to use your gun for, sniping specialists ? I don't think there ...
Nice question. I'm basically the krak guy so... I'm not sure what's my purpose beyond that. It's been ages since I did H40 on my vet so I'm kinda lost what's the meta these days
heavy rover
Even if you're running the medium-firing mk III helbore, I found myself able to one-shot reapers on havoc 40
outer wolf
Even if you're running the medium-firing mk III helbore, I found myself able to ...
And what's the preferred mk? Also, any build in particular? I'm going VoC, surprise surprise
heavy rover
Nice question. I'm basically the krak guy so... I'm not sure what's my purpose b...
I can share you my build if you want to give it a try. Do note that there's a lot of flexibility as noted in the build notes https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-havoc
The go-to on helbore is either the mk iv (slowest firing) or the mk III (medium firing)
Down to preference between the two
meager echo
Nice question. I'm basically the krak guy so... I'm not sure what's my purpose b...
If you looking for a gun that can shoot gunners and specialist effectively I think helbore is the only sensible choice.
Other guns might run into ammo problems if you shoot gunners.
outer wolf
If you looking for a gun that can shoot gunners and specialist effectively I thi...
Hellbore it is then, I don't remember the last time I played with that gun, maybe I never did, lol
hollow ibex
The go-to on helbore is either the mk iv (slowest firing) or the mk III (medium ...
i won't stand for this mkv slander
heavy rover
Hellbore it is then, I don't remember the last time I played with that gun, mayb...
also do note that when we talk about draw time, the old version of the helbore was pull out, flick switch, aim down sights, now it's recently been updated that you can immediately start aiming down sights right before you flick the switch
heavy rover
i won't stand for this mkv slander
I'll admit, the mk v helbore is hilarious with weight of fire
outer wolf
also do note that when we talk about draw time, the old version of the helbore w...
I see
So mkIII to start with?
heavy rover
So mkIII to start with?
yeah, I'd say so. It is the middle ground among the variants. You can then tune your desired mk to your liking
meager echo
Zarona is also good if you don't like helbore. But I'm pretty sure that gun has ammo problem
outer wolf
Used to be a huge zarona nerd back in the day
meager echo
Ammo restriction suck man.
outer wolf
And is the hellbore worth charging it (I guess it is) or just use it as regular rifle
heavy rover
yeah, best to charge it. it's also why Weight of Fire is one of the recommended blessing to speed up charge time
charging it up also gives you the opportunity to build up crit with Surgical, and save ammo thanks to shock trooper talent
spark helm
Better to charge but when you're familiar with your dmg you can easily swing uncharged shots, hipfire even
spark helm
Still weapon specialist?
Usually yeah. I never tried the other keystones with it
outer wolf
Ok, all set, gonna try it. Pray for this rusty vet
signal laurel
Usually yeah. I never tried the other keystones with it
Man stopper and flechette? Is there something I’m missing with the flechette bc I’ve never got any mileage out of bleed stacks on something that does 1500 damage on alt fire
spark helm
Man stopper and flechette? Is there something I’m missing with the flechette bc ...
That's the combo I use with just swapping back between melee and ranged. Haven't tried others yet
signal laurel
That's the combo I use with just swapping back between melee and ranged. Haven't...
I’ve been wanting to make the db work on other classes including arbites. Just haven’t really seen a point in using it
spark helm
It's s nice weapon for punching holes in crowds and tearing specials and some elites open.
I personally feel like most of its strengths are easier to reveal on vet than zealot or psyker. I ignore arbites because it's kind of a hard class to fail building weapons for.
The extra bleed is good for larger targets imo. Scattershot and man-stopper make sense to combo on paper but don't quote me.
It's one of my more underused tools currently. But I like it a lot
hollow ibex
Man stopper and flechette? Is there something I’m missing with the flechette bc ...
There’s really bad damage drop off on DB
And you can proc bleed on an entire horde thanks to manstopper
spark helm
Can try this one maybe. Gave it a spin with other melee options and it felt fine.
hollow ibex
Also you need flechette for specialist sniping at range
So flechette is pretty important to take on vet DB
spark helm
I usually play in aurics so idk anything about how dbs fair in high havoc or havoc period but in aurics it can definitely put in work.
It's also a weapon that really benefits from things like Always Prepared and is extremely noticeable when you don't have it.
azure narwhal
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fad575e-f27e-44fc-bd9f-f62dd7ed4001/ho...
The cruelty...
spark helm
What?
spark helm
Ah
Damn that build was actually fun too
I'm a weirdo that like duck and dive so I scooped that and dropped the +25 toughness node for it. Sacrilege to most, fulfillment for me
tall torrent
I don’t rly play MF much sorry
hybrid plover
I usually play in aurics so idk anything about how dbs fair in high havoc or hav...
Db is very havoc viable
It just requires a particular finesse to pull it off.
faint beacon
hybrid plover
Rotten armor does give it trouble though since that actively counters the thing that's really good about it.
warm schooner
still pretty effective against clearing ragers and maulers
the bulwark shields and carapace will stop the infinite cleave of manstopper though
serene bough
Rotten armor with the recent buff to crushers is kinda wild
It seems to spawn just as many crushers as previous patch
calm shard
krak grenades willing rotten armor 20K effective HP crushers into existence so that they can have a use case
it was an inside job I tell you
narrow frost
@tall torrent for fire shotgun, is there a limit for how much burn you can apply
I read in your guide as if atleast 1 pellet hits a enemy
but how many pellets does it have
plus would manstopper make the pellets hit more then 1 target
analog mural
Didn't they add a cleave limit to the fire shotty? Like 4 I think?
hollow ibex
yeah it's pretty sad
narrow frost
I wonder if its a hard cap, so manstopper wouldnt work
calm shard
fire shotgun with manstopper cleave on the fire shell+goes through bulwarks would be pretty rad
could run scattershot+flechette
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> for fire shotgun, is there a limit for how much burn you c...
Yea 10
Up to 6 per shot
0.45 stacks per pellet
tall torrent
Hard cap at 10 stacks regardless of how many shots u fire at the same guy
narrow frost
sorry, not the cap on a single target. How many enemies can you debuff with 1 shot
bad wording on my part
tame lodge
but how many pellets does it have
18 pellets iirc
narrow frost
now would arby cleave increase + manstopper make it hit like 50 enemies
tall torrent
sorry, not the cap on a single target. How many enemies can you debuff with 1 sh...
However many u hit
The hard cap is 128 enemies
But that’s for every single attack in the game
narrow frost
Okay, thank you
tall torrent
128 enemies regardless of their mass
narrow frost
interesting
hybrid plover
Rotten armor with the recent buff to crushers is kinda wild
I'm honestly a tad tired of it.
This havoc season in general is just kinda tiring
Current modifiers just compound into some of the most sloggish gameplay I've ever experienced in this game
Except cranial maybe
spark helm
It just requires a particular finesse to pull it off.
Sounds about right. I'm interested to get there.
I had a havoc run start and about a quarter way through, it just crashed./
So I'm pretty annoyed. :/
I actually really wanted to make some serious time today for starter havoc runs but that crash and the length of time spent in the mission now just bled out into what I gotta take care of for today so...
hybrid plover
Yeah the servers have also just been pure ass
I was running a vigil havoc and we had like
Six dcs
spark helm
havoc is definitely interesting ig though. Different flow in many respects and I actually like the challenge so far.
But for whatever reason aurics are far more stable so I just stay there.
hybrid plover
I like Havoc. I'm not entirely fond of Havoc at this moment though.
It really feels like they power crept havoc itself to deal with the power creep the games having.
Because the current modifiers are crazy bad in the higher tiers.
spark helm
Seems like one of those earlier stages of raid content spheres yk?
I'm not really sure how people talk about havoc in some ways since now I'm just that new to doing it.
Havoc has been out for what like eight months or something?
hybrid plover
Ye
spark helm
I forgot when it debuted.
hybrid plover
And while havoc has had some fuckass or outright broken (rituals) modifiers
Its never felt this sloggish before
dapper coyote
While grinding for more EMONEs and PLASTEEL/Diamantine bricks.
I decided to make a new operator,
Behold his name is FatherGarcia (Zealot, Fanatic)
He shall be a shotgun wielding Rsword later on.
Referencing
https://youtu.be/ck4wUdFtAVY?si=0PgpjafaIyn1lT-H
spark helm
Idk 100% but it seems like the kind of thing that can come with dropping raid level kind of content. It's a lot more delicate than some can realize . It's not a raid raid like Destiny or traditional MMOS but the way people approach it feels somewhat similar in terms of how coordinated people have to consciously be in order to have better runs.
spark helm
But I don't have a fucking clue what I'm seeing in Havoc 40 lmao
spark helm
I think the rotten garden armor I did a few days ago was like
Yeah what the fuck is up with that?
I don't mind it yet but wasn't rot armor introduced in that one event?
Feels like they're using these events to stress test possible additions to havoc later
hybrid plover
I don't mind it yet but wasn't rot armor introduced in that one event?
Yes. And it was already pretty damn troublesome even in Auric
hybrid plover
That's cranial
spark helm
Oh.
hybrid plover
Or are you talking about the clouds
spark helm
the ones that displace and cause corruption
I totally get why people run corruption curios now
hybrid plover
Because every blessed enemy explodes in pox gas.
hybrid plover
I think that should be rng at least. Cuz you just end up not being able to see a damn thing sometimes
spark helm
For reference on the type of time I'm on, I miss the old blood tornados from chaos wastes.
Absolute freak mindset
hybrid plover
Just cloud after cloud.
hybrid plover
Until an overhead you didn't see gets you.
spark helm
https://tenor.com/view/sonic-gif-4656385985544318455
"Oh they tryna kill us kill us. Ohhhhmhmhmhmhmhhm~"
hybrid plover
It's funny because you'd think since tox bombers can't really spawn in rotten armor
That it'd be fine and all
tall torrent
Yes. And it was already pretty damn troublesome even in Auric
Rot armor event was not that bad tbh
spark helm
So havocs just combine unique modifiers with um the auric maelstrom ones?
tall torrent
People struggled because 99% players can’t deal with more than 1 crusher at a time with melee
hybrid plover
Rot armor event was not that bad tbh
Troublesome for the avg player in auric
tall torrent
Rot armor can be made a lot better if it reduced DOT as well
hybrid plover
We're not those players, sadly to say.
tall torrent
And uncanny needs to be obliterated
hybrid plover
I think there just needs to be a second look at how carapace affects the game loop as a whole tbh
dapper coyote
Which combat axe is the good one?
tall torrent
3
dapper coyote
Which is? I don't remember the marks
tall torrent
I think there just needs to be a second look at how carapace affects the game lo...
It’s more of a weapon tuning problem
tall torrent
Which is? I don't remember the marks
Rashad
dry cloak
Which combat axe is the good one?
choose between atnax or rashad
vapid void
which recon lasgun variant do i use?
distant dune
What’s a good weapon to use for ranged veteran for someone who gas bad aim?
dapper coyote
What’s a good weapon to use for ranged veteran for someone who gas bad aim?
Shotgun or Reccy
Or braced
distant dune
Any particular marks or just whatever generates my gellar field?
dry cloak
which recon lasgun variant do i use?
6c
dapper coyote
Any particular marks or just whatever generates my gellar field?
For combat shotguns, I'd avoid the lightest one (the green) and use either medium (blue) or heavy (tan)
For reccy i heard the medium one (green?) is the most popular
For more fuck aiming, use DB
Just look at the general direction and you'll probably kill SOMETHING with that duo doompipes
vapid void
is recon lasgun's dump stat mobility like everything else?
dapper coyote
Yes
distant dune
Do the individual pellets of the shotguns count against accuracy for the Make Every Shot Count penance
vapid void
melk is selling a 60 mobility one so i might use that
dapper coyote
Idk, I've done that penance i think? Without using shotguns before
tame lodge
Do the individual pellets of the shotguns count against accuracy for the Make Ev...
Nope
distant dune
Okay so that penance is actually a lot easier than I thought
dapper coyote
Do note that the heavy Combat shotguns SUPRESSES and stun enemies that are close to the trajectory of your buckshot when you shoot that thing
tall torrent
What’s a good weapon to use for ranged veteran for someone who gas bad aim?
Recon lasgun
All 3 are ok, personally prefer VIc
dapper coyote
This allows your near misses to easily reconnect since they'll standstill being in shock of awe
tall torrent
which recon lasgun variant do i use?
All 3 variants are ok, personally prefer VIc
dapper coyote
Oh and you'll throwback anything that isn't bigger than a dude
I think you'll also stun Crushers on head hits though im uncertain about this one
dry cloak
I think you'll also stun Crushers on head hits though im uncertain about this on...
with agripinna slug sure
dapper coyote
with agripinna slug sure
Oh absolutely
tall torrent
I think you'll also stun Crushers on head hits though im uncertain about this on...
Stagger isn’t the same as stun, but yes they do stagger crushers
dapper coyote
That shit will throw off a fucking crusher
dapper coyote
But i do feel like the light one isn't good for higher difficulties
So im sticking to medium/heavy
dry cloak
But i do feel like the light one isn't good for higher difficulties
then you are using it wrong
it godly on proper vet built
tall torrent
Agripinaa is the best combat shotgun
dry cloak
on avarge yes
distant dune
Why does the VIc reccy have significantly less ammo?
dapper coyote
Is it the tan one?
dry cloak
its the green one
tall torrent
Why does the VIc reccy have significantly less ammo?
Because it consumes 1 ammo per shot and unlike XII it actually deals damage with each shot
XIV consumes 2 ammo per shot
distant dune
Ah
dapper coyote
"Actually deals dmg with each shot"
distant dune
Wait, what? The XII doesn’t deal damage on each shot?
tall torrent
XII’s damage per shot might as well be scratching them with sandpaper
dapper coyote
That's how i feel on the light reccy las
dry cloak
it does but miniscule amunts
distant dune
I mean… on heresy in the meat grinder the XII melts maulers
distant dune
With chest shots no less
dry cloak
I mean… on heresy in the meat grinder the XII melts maulers
yes because mauler body is flak
while head is cara
dapper coyote
Volume of fire over damage
Flamer but with extra steps?
distant dune
Ohhhhh
dapper coyote
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
distant dune
Okay so I’m noticing that the reccy is outright bad against carapace no matter the mark
dry cloak
dapper coyote
Brunt can we have flamer?
We have flamer at home.
Flamer at home:
dry cloak
Okay so I’m noticing that the reccy is outright bad against carapace no matter t...
there are not many guns good agiants cara without vertain blessings
dry cloak
Brunt can we have flamer?
We have flamer at home.
Flamer at home:
nah thats deadorant in a can with lighter
distant dune
nah thats deadorant in a can with lighter
Petition to give Veteran such a device :3
tame lodge
Okay so I’m noticing that the reccy is outright bad against carapace no matter t...
Yup
That being said you can get the bait talent on the bottom right, Onslaught
distant dune
I currently have Dumdum and Infernus on my reccy
hollow ibex
that's the meta yeah
distant dune
IT IS?!?!?!
I usually avoid meta like the plague and just go with what sounds fun and useful
sullen scarab
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/fu...
I can confirm this build is very good
For those of you that use knives, is the single target rotation for the MK6 just spamming the push attack? It feels like the single target rotation is spamming push attack
hollow ibex
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/fu...
onslaught
🤢
tame lodge
For those of you that use knives, is the single target rotation for the MK6 just...
Pretty much
Knives Push Attack dps is really high
hollow ibex
Some combination of that
Because chaining just heavies isn’t very safe with mk6
Can also do light heavy
wild vortex
like higui said onslaught's a trap
why
tall torrent
Okay so I’m noticing that the reccy is outright bad against carapace no matter t...
Onslaught makes it ok at it but not good still
jolly plinth
why
Even with Onslaught it's just not very good. Somewhere between like 1500-2000 DPS on crushers
And you waste a shitload of bullets
hollow ibex
Yeah
And esp with kraks being very good now
Melee being juiced as fuck
Even less of a reason to take onslaught
jolly plinth
Yeah you can waste 1/2 a mag on a crusher or just melee it or chuck a krak at it
I have an onslaught mk12 build for memes but it's not optimal
wild vortex
I see
Yeah generally I use kraks for cara
Or special attack from my mk7 shovel
Shovel I find to be really good melee to accompany with recon lasgun
hollow ibex
mk3 shovel 
vapid void
what is a weapons "secondary action" for vet penances?
the guns ive seen have flashlight as their special
mortal aspen
rightclick
vapid void
so just ADS?
mortal aspen
well not all of them are ADS, but yes
orchid hemlock
onslaught
Onslaught is very strong as a damage tool for XII
The reason I take it, is so that you can take all of the right side melee nodes for free and still retain the damage of the recon
tidal arch
Hi guys
hollow ibex
Onslaught is very strong as a damage tool for XII
The reason I take it, is so ...
bro you got all the right side melee talents with a PS6 AND kraks 😭
shooting crushers at that point is just a waste of ammo
tame lodge
hollow ibex
mortal aspen
I tried Recon with Onslaught vs crushers, it felt really bad
like yes, you can kill them
but if there is more than one, it's going to take ages
and that's just auric
tidal arch
Isn't the krak good for mercing crushers?
mortal aspen
I think that was even before they got their hp buff
hollow ibex
Isn't the krak good for mercing crushers?
yeah that's what i'm saying
tidal arch
I just unlocked auric
orchid hemlock
Aren't you already taking the melee buffs
What I'm saying is that instead of taking, rending strikes, bring it down, FT and RF to give more damage to the recon
You just take Onslaught and the rest of the points go to the melee nodes and WS
It's not like before where you need to waste 3 points to grab it
tidal arch
So im still a fresh faced newb but that's what I use .
hollow ibex
the build already takes ps6 (which fucks crushers), and kraks (which fucks crushers), so taking onslaught on top of all that is just a waste tbh
tidal arch
Ps6?
hollow ibex
What I'm saying is that instead of taking, rending strikes, bring it down, FT an...
you're going to need 5 shots to catch up to rending strikes, and then prob more to overtake it, so it's prob only really worth for shooting crushers/maulers
tidal arch
So the power sword is better than the dueling sword?
tame lodge
Yeah
Good single target damage
Good horde clearing prowess
tall torrent
tame lodge
Just not the best dodges
hollow ibex
76 bullets to kill a single crusher while skirmisher is active 💀
would be better with focus target obviously
tidal arch
Anyone wanna do some missions?
hollow ibex
but i really don't think onslaught is worth it
tidal arch
You can relentlessly mock my shit build
tame lodge
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/10354502933935199997/BDF26598F80D9F4EF55AFC...
Cutthroat be like
"Sanction my balls" lol
hollow ibex
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/10354502933935199997/BDF26598F80D9F4EF55AFC...
what am i watching?
orchid hemlock
shooting crushers at that point is just a waste of ammo
Never said anything hint about shooting crushers 💅🏻
Free damage is free damage
hollow ibex
Never said anything hint about shooting crushers 💅🏻
you're going to need 5 shots to catch up to rending strikes, and then prob more to overtake it, so it's prob only really worth for shooting crushers/maulers
mortal aspen
free damage
costs a talent point
orchid hemlock
>you're going to need 5 shots to catch up to rending strikes, and then prob more...
5 shots is like nothing on XII
tall torrent
what am i watching?
"bonding" conversation
tame lodge
Your planet broke
I fight because of that
We're going to kill you
Kill my balls
Darktide 2025
orchid hemlock
I don't see anything else on the tree that might be better
Maybe Killzone?
SC is good, but it doesn't help do damage to unyielding
Best target I noticed for onslaught isn't even crushers on Havoc, it's reapers
I can also shoot the little toes of the Bullwalks 
tidal arch
That was gonna be my next question
tame lodge
🫡
tidal arch
I use the dueling sword and recon lasrifle
Im still fiddling the build but I think it works.
hollow ibex
So is voice of command viable?
strongest ult on vet
tidal arch
10-4
hollow ibex
5 shots is like nothing on XII
like i said, it's going to be more than 5 shots, SC is a good take, i'd just take that or normal rending
tidal arch
Ill switch to that once I get armorbane
tame lodge
Dueling Sword lacks on the horde clearing aspect
And we don't really recommend shooting hordes
Unless like
Hyper specific weapons
hollow ibex
"bonding" conversation
oh lmao i was expectign the ogryn to ledge himself or something so wasn't paying attention to the convo
tidal arch
Unless like
Which weapons?
hollow ibex
she can sanction me
tame lodge
Which weapons?
Shotguns with Manstopper blessing (specially double barrel)
Braced Auto 8
orchid hemlock
like i said, it's going to be more than 5 shots, SC is a good take, i'd just tak...
Pls actually try it I've had 5 convos about this this month 😞
tame lodge
hollow ibex
Pls actually try it I've had 5 convos about this this month 😞
deserved, for taking onslaught
mortal aspen
the one with cleave is pretty fun to shoot elite trains with
orchid hemlock
I don't think Onslaught propaganda is going to work around here
I think the Onslaught shit started when Tanner coped with it for the Vraks
hollow ibex
onslaught's been a noob magnet talent as far as i can remember
mortal aspen
not much ooomph
it's not Bolter or DB for sure
orchid hemlock
onslaught's been a noob magnet talent as far as i can remember
It's a good magnet because people who use it on the most questionable weapons, I've seen people cope on it with mk3 knife or pen shot with bolt gun thinking it does 80% brittle
And people tried to cope with wasting 3 talent points to grab it
But XII and only costing one node now is a different beast 😈
hollow ibex
@tall torrent what do you think of onslaught now that the pathing isn't dogshit
worth taking?
wild vortex
I think path recommends it for the mk12 in his guide
hollow ibex
yeah, if you plan on shooting crushers lol
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> what do you think of onslaught now that the pathing isn't ...
meh
orchid hemlock
I only take it on XII so ill take that W 😈
tame lodge
yeah, if you plan on shooting crushers lol
Which you shouldn't even think about it nowadays
6k hp
🗣️
orchid hemlock
If it was VIc I would do something like:
void dragon
https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735
is this me hoping that the zealot has good build variety? i feel that while the perk tree looks nice its not really enabling any new style
and i fear im running out of copium
void dragon
Have we fallen so far
we have been like this since before the perk tree rework
(have a reconlasgun onslaught build myself)
hybrid plover
I mean.
It "works".
It's just.
Slow.
It used to be so much better before the rework ironically
Because crushers weren't as beefy.
That being said.
Onslaught tac axe.
:)
I'll give onslaught recon this however. Fastest firing one is good for softening up a crusher to wail at it with your melee.
hybrid plover
Onslaught tac axe.
This is my daily serving of propaganda
It is genuinely not that bad
sharp epoch
If it was VIc I would do something like:
I don't think tinkerer is needed on non havoc at least
Could be swapped for superiority complex
hybrid plover
Does skirmisher alone let it hit the BP for a crusher one shot?
hollow ibex
i think kraks do 6k base?
hollow ibex
Does skirmisher alone let it hit the BP for a crusher one shot?
ok yeah def
5.5k or so base damage
wait no talents are impacting it reee
but with a normal build + skirmisher you can hit one shot crusher breakpoint on kraks
pretty easily
hybrid plover
Alright. Brain is a little cooked and I'm at work rn so I couldn't do the math lol
short agate
This class really growing on me. Thanks for letting us fight like real Astra Milatarum 🫡.
hybrid plover
Veteran is a top 5 class
hybrid plover
Onslaught should give 5% per melee hit (crit?)
This is basically how exploit weakness worked
Before the rework
tame lodge
btw this would be a 2 shot on old crusher
mortal aspen
I probably need to try out the other taxes, I've only really used 7
hybrid plover
I probably need to try out the other taxes, I've only really used 7
Mk4 is fun
Uppercut do damage
hybrid plover
Like dis actually
hollow ibex
Mk4 is fun
Yeah though not a fan of it on vet
hybrid plover
Yeah it feels more like a zealot pick
But I still like it on vet even if it's not necessarily the best mark for em
hollow ibex
Marty Taxe mk4 goes hard
hybrid plover
My first h40 win was a martyr chorus with mk4 taxe
I hold that setup dearly to my heart
calm shard
my first h40 win had no chorus and I was playing shout vet with power sword+bistol
wild vortex
I am sucking so hard trying to play Exe Stance + MF
I'm not gonna try to play that again
last match almost fried my brain
sullen scarab
The bleed knife grenadier build I'm running is cracking me up so much
I throw a frag
It splits I to two
Everyone in five rooms is bleeding
tepid otter
Does lethal proximity from Bistol actually increase your grenade blast radius as well, I think I saw someone mention that here
sullen scarab
yes it does
i can hit hte entire room in the testing grounds when I toss a grenade in the middle
sullen scarab
hope you're running DB too
db?
oh the shotgun!
i'm running the bolt pistol
with the explosion size increase
tepid otter
Hmm, might try my own Grenade Vet now too, I had one before the talent tree reworked but everything just reset after the update
hollow ibex
i'm running the bolt pistol
That’s fair too
hollow ibex
Hmm, might try my own Grenade Vet now too, I had one before the talent tree rewo...
Super powerful
sullen scarab
Hmm, might try my own Grenade Vet now too, I had one before the talent tree rewo...
its really fun lol
i toss two grenades
sometimes it procs 4 grenade throws
everything is bleeding
hollow ibex
sullen scarab
That’s fair too
for the shotgun, I guess you're running like flechette
tepid otter
Is there a limit to how many stacks bleed stacks enemies can get from you
hollow ibex
Hmm, might try my own Grenade Vet now too, I had one before the talent tree rewo...
you can see me slightly confused here "where did everything go?"
sullen scarab
LOL
hollow ibex
"oh wait they're all dead already"
hollow ibex
yuuuup
hollow ibex
Is there a limit to how many stacks bleed stacks enemies can get from you
bleed maxes out at 16 stacks
tepid otter
what are thse ones that are like identical right next to each other
tepid otter
Ohhh
hollow ibex
you can obviously take bistol too
and if you run something with uncanny, you can move rending strikes to tinkerer for bigger radius
tepid otter
Huh, does the dmg boost work on the nades after exiting stealth
hollow ibex
ah yes
i moved rending strikes over to CQKZ
for even more grenade damage
so if you really need to nuke a horde, stealth, underhand one grenade, overhand the second nade
and poof the horde is gone
updated the build
sullen scarab
excellent
hollow ibex
5% movement speed node over grenade tinkerer?
i really like the move speed nodes
sullen scarab
how come overhand the second nade, to leave stealth for the bonus?
unreal nova
Someone wants a 'nadier build?
hollow ibex
it's just personal pref
sullen scarab
i can tell LOL
hollow ibex
how come overhand the second nade, to leave stealth for the bonus?
yeah
sullen scarab
i'll try it
it looks so fun
I installed hte mod that lets you have like 28 build slots thank god
hollow ibex
it's the only reason to play infil right now
sullen scarab
hollow ibex
to be a stealth bomber
hollow ibex
up to you
charred salmon
which is more useful +20% damage to ogryns and monstrocities or +25 toughness?
hollow ibex
i like one motion because bistol doesn't hit breakpoints unless it crits
and if it crits, you don't need longshot anyway prob
hollow ibex
could be wrong, haven't exhaustively tested breakpoints or anything lol
hollow ibex
which is more useful +20% damage to ogryns and monstrocities or +25 toughness?
i would take at least one 25 toughness node
after that it just depends on your build
charred salmon
i would take at least one 25 toughness node
how much is 25 toughness is that a lot? i have 1 toughness node but idk if i should get 2
hollow ibex
how much is 25 toughness is that a lot? i have 1 toughness node but idk if i sho...
It’s a lot
Even taking 2 might be a good idea
hollow ibex
I only run one but it just comes down to what your comfortable with
unreal nova
This build barely hits 20x Toughness from memory.
hollow ibex
Not taking either is asking to get hurt though
unreal nova
I only take Tactical reload cos knoife is fast pullout anyway.
charred salmon
It’s a lot
Is it worth not getting+20% orygn and monstrosity damage?
hollow ibex
Is it worth not getting+20% orygn and monstrosity damage?
it can be but really depends on the build
charred salmon
Idk I'm using pretty much meta duel sword build
hollow ibex
what's the build?
charred salmon
Most people use the damage but in kinda bad so I might benefit from toughness
unreal nova
Idk I'm using pretty much meta duel sword build
I can just use DS4 with the build I posted. I usually run it if I know they are dragging me to USEast at up to 400 ping.
Because at that point, melee is just relying on agile to not die.
normal river
I this true? I dont know anything about metas. I saw it on a new builds description
hybrid plover
I this true? I dont know anything about metas. I saw it on a new builds descript...
Revive affects anything to do with assisting a teammate.
hybrid plover
It's very good actually
normal river
it got buffed
in what way
hybrid plover
You will notice it when helping people on ledges or in nets
normal river
Revive affects anything to do with assisting a teammate.
it does this now and didnt before?
narrow frost
Correct
before it was only revive speed, not rescue speed
now it affects ledges, nets, and respawn totems
normal river
ok ty
spark helm
I am sucking so hard trying to play Exe Stance + MF
What's tripping you up?
It can be one of the harder ways to play but exestance mmf is one of my bread and butters.
tepid otter
Still cant find a gun I enjoy using Exec with yet
tame lodge
I this true? I dont know anything about metas. I saw it on a new builds descript...
Meta is a strong word
I'd say it's good
But also does nothing if your team is good
frigid shuttle
I this true? I dont know anything about metas. I saw it on a new builds descript...
It is like wound curios, but for the team sucking, instead of you.
hybrid plover
It is like wound curios, but for the team sucking, instead of you.
I don't think this is a fair assessment because there's just situations where skill level is a moot point for something like this.
No amount of skill will completely nullify the threat of a barrel propelling you off a ledge lmao
Or a silent trapper or poxburster. It's an insurance plan that actually does have more practical use than wounds do because it circumvents the stuff you sometimes just can't help.
frigid shuttle
No amount of skill will completely nullify the threat of a barrel propelling you...
Skill might not be able to help, but (cheat) mods can.
hybrid plover
Like don't get me wrong.
Calling it "meta", is debatable.
But it is pretty useful for what it can do.
distant plaza
Does the pox gas modifier reduce horde spawns/patrols?
hybrid plover
Does the pox gas modifier reduce horde spawns/patrols?
Nope.
Unless you're talking about that weird maelstrom that I've seen that constantly does corruption damage but completely takes out hordes.
distant plaza
No, it was a Heresy Power Matrix HL-17-36
Duo’d it with a zealot with a case of the zoomies
Which, given the modifier I guess makes sense
But like, no conga lines of crushers/heavy mixed hordes
It all felt terribly easy compared to some four man matches I played earlier today
distant plaza
Kk, I’ll chalk it up to that then
calm shard
I this true? I dont know anything about metas. I saw it on a new builds descript...
curio substats have never had a stable meta beyond "take at least one gunner resist or you will die"
hybrid plover
Hell I don't even think you need that if you're not playing Havoc
Oh yeah. Speaking of
Revive speed definitely does hold weight in havoc
Because a perfect havoc game is never a guarantee lmao
tepid otter
I just grab the VoC revive thing
hybrid plover
I just grab the VoC revive thing <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
You poor thing.
tepid otter
hybrid plover
Like why don't they just take off all the debuffs at this point
It would still be debatable as to if it's even worth it, without the debuffs
hollow ibex
vet just generally needs another rework lmao
hybrid plover
Just let people have their revive build without severely nerfing themselves for crying out loud
low oar
I want my payday "get the fuck up" experience
orchid hemlock
that's what a bunch of vet's "support" talents are
It's time to revive the BUILT
Born Leader
Here I come 😈
low oar
Payday balance was never a concept tbh
How the hell do you just make a perk that does instant ranged revives
orchid hemlock
Payday balance was never a concept tbh
How the hell do you just make a perk that...
willow prairie
dog
surreal rune
how it feels playing vet when the stealth zealot shifts all agro onto you just to a kill a doo doo fart crusher idk
wild vortex
What's tripping you up?
I just get surrounded and die. Or I take too long to kill stuff with Exe Stance. Or it falls off when I'm reloading
Just not a good time
Unfathomable amounts of skill issue obviously but unlike other stuff I try, here I'm just genuinely stumped
frigid shuttle
I just grab the VoC revive thing <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
pay 1 talent point, so you can get +50% longer cooldown on your ability?
All for the privilege of getting nitwits off the floor slightly faster?
peak fatshark design
if you want to revive people, just run triple revive speed curio
shout -> pick 'em up
hollow ibex
basically all the vet support talents are cucking yourself
steep flower
All for the *privilege* of getting nitwits off the floor slightly faster?
Just get revive speed for your curios; it will be better
Hell; use ‚no one left behind’ talent too
Be the handmaiden from v2
tame lodge
I want my payday "get the fuck up" experience
Because pointing and yelling at someone insta heals gunshots
slate kayak
Is vet meant to be support for the team?
I was planning for infiltrate build but I am unsure how that will help the team and if the 3 other teammates die, then I have to defend all by myself.
Plus I think infiltrate only works if the other team can take care of the enemies without them all ganging up on you
hybrid plover
Plus I think infiltrate only works if the other team can take care of the enemie...
Infiltrate is a positioning tool.
And that's about as good as it gets, unfortunately.
It is not in a good place right now.
And I suppose you can get good revives and a decent amount of burst damage.
willow prairie
stealth bomber is real
slate kayak
Mainly stuck with ogryn so unsure how to build vet.
meager echo
stealth bomber is real
Bomber is the most bs specialist in this game.
Sometimes they stand in places you cant even shoot back and throw nade at you.
Most of the time i have to wait for my teammates to ping his position for me.
In mercantile first event, they stand in the floor above where you cant shoot them and chuck down grenade.
slate kayak
Executioners stance is another option
Then I think about how teammates would like voice of command
meager echo
Its best to just tell team in chat to help you by pinging specialist
hybrid plover
Executioners stance is another option
Exe stance with enhanced is extremely useful in low visibility modifiers, ngl
sonic kayak
stealth bomber is real
READY FOR A BOOM?
hybrid plover
I was running that on a lights out carnival with counterfire
meager echo
In chasm station 2nd event ( hacking the thing at the middle of the room)
Sometimes my team mates ping the direction of bombers and i cant even see them.
I can only see the trail of the grenade. Its pure bs. 
hybrid plover
It was so nice to see all the fodder gunners waiting to tear your shit up.
hybrid plover
**READY FOR A BOOM?**
Now if only there weren't so many fucking tox bombers that game :^]
But btw
Exe stance
sullen scarab
anyone got a good weapon specialist bolter build with rashad?
sullen scarab
I keep having to bounce between like....one motion or the fast reload
and I'm like nooooooo i want both
hybrid plover
Shit be doing da damage
hollow ibex
anyone got a good weapon specialist bolter build with rashad?
Bolter WS… brave man
meager echo
I hate 2nd event of chasm station so much.
If bombers spawn on the floor above the medicate, u cant do anything to them.
steel barn
Am I insane for thinking Vet Stealth might actually be better than Zealot Stealth
hybrid plover
Bolter WS… brave man <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832...
Let em cook 🔥
steel barn
Last a lil longer, -90% threat compared to zealots 75%, can have 2 charges. I've been enjoying it a lot more than my zealot stealth build
