veteran-class

[hybrid plover]

you know

the fact that i already could gather that this person was a smyker

just based on that

[toxic reef]

I was arby so it was easy mode but still

[hybrid plover]

tells me i play this game too fucking much

[sullen scarab]

I didn't even know it boosted the grenades lol, it gives it a bonus when you have the pistol out when you toss teh grenade?

[hybrid plover]

so they're not even doing the damage dealing version

[hybrid plover]

the bonus is there regardless of what weapon you have out

[toxic reef]

yeah I have no idea what their gameplan was

[sullen scarab]

hell yeah

[hybrid plover]

i'm not sure why exactly that's the case

or if it's intended

but it does make lethal prox a lot more consistent to use

[hybrid plover]

you should try it with tinkered shredders

just uh

[sullen scarab]

holy shit

[hybrid plover]

be wary of daemonhosts

[sullen scarab]

LOL

[hybrid plover]

actually hold up

[sullen scarab]

what's the name of the mod that does the charging for you on the helbores?

[hybrid plover]

Helbore passive charge

[sullen scarab]

ty

[ancient path]

ps fuck trappers

[sullen scarab]

true

[ancient path]

that's a fov.

[sullen scarab]

oop its at 0/0 seconds

[hybrid plover]

it's at the highest the game innately can go

117

i just also have a weapon fov mod because i dont like how close up the weapon models are by default

honestly now that i'm looking at it though

i'm not sure why bistol specifically is that far out

[sullen scarab]

oh it sworking now

LOOOL

what the hell was that aoe lmao

bro got the fragment upgrade package

i was like

ok it'll be bigger

i wasn't expecting it to tag the entire fucking room lmao

[hybrid plover]

yeah it's actually really significant

[hollow ibex]

The one thing bistol is good for

[sullen scarab]

i can't tell which helbore I like more yet lol

Unyielding/Carapace for the perks I guess?

[steel veldt]

are any of the Weapon Specialist modifiers worth outside of always prepared

[orchid hemlock]

This is for havoc 40s

In fact I don't use WOF on it anymore

I use hotshot

[toxic reef]

man, bolter with exec stance is so much fun

[hollow ibex]

Toughness regen one is good too

[toxic reef]

I've never done a dedicated build for bolter before, just have had it as boss killer

[steel veldt]

Will think about it

[toxic reef]

especially with volley adept for that fast reload

[hollow ibex]

It’s basically forty percent toughness regen on demand

[steel veldt]

ooo

[orchid hemlock]

Reminder

[toxic reef]

dark communion auric maelstrom

[sullen scarab]

Is hotshot so you can cleave through more elites?

[orchid hemlock]

You can't cleave thru elites

It's because cleaving in Havoc is extremely difficult to do without insane cleave values

[sullen scarab]

ohhhh ok

[orchid hemlock]

Hellbore is one of the few guns with hotshot that can do it

[sullen scarab]

is it to guarantee you can cleave through and hit an important unit?

[orchid hemlock]

Yes, cleave on range weapons is to shoot thru trash mobs

[sullen scarab]

[orchid hemlock]

Another good blessing is armorbane

But you really need to be on top of your shots

[sullen scarab]

yeah lol

I think I'll keep wof on right now on the slower one

[hollow ibex]

WOF on mk5

Peak

[sullen scarab]

mkv is unyielding/carapace, wof/surgical right?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[steel veldt]

I'll see if I can take it

[hollow ibex]

Though tbh meta is prob surgical armorbane

That being said

[orchid hemlock]

The only problem with WOF is that sometimes you fire soo quickly that it starts to have anti synergy with Surgical

[hollow ibex]

I unironically think WOF is better overall on mk5

Even despite the anti synergies

[sullen scarab]

i remember that being a thing lol

[hybrid plover]

gone are the days of bugged hotshot

😔

[sullen scarab]

mk5 definitely feels the best to shoot lol

i like the mkiv though but I feel like I"m gonna whiff with it lmao

[hollow ibex]

Mk V is very fun

[hybrid plover]

i want to throw a suggestion

toggle ur ads

[sullen scarab]

I can't, my years of muscle memory will go away

LOL

[hollow ibex]

Same LOL

I tried

[sullen scarab]

[hollow ibex]

But I just can’t make it work

[sullen scarab]

Yes

It's honestly more like me positioning badly and then 300000 poxwalkers teleport behind me the second I hit Executioner stance and go nothing personnel kid then slap my ass

[toxic reef]

you just hope the toughness regen is enough lol

[sullen scarab]

Yeah lmao

I had a match earlier I saw a sniper, hit stance, then thought I could regen through the melee damage of the poxwalkers and went down instead

Almost quit the match immediately out of embarrassment but didn't because I never leave!!!!!

[toxic reef]

yeah I want the little xp I get when failing a mission

and if I die I just watch something on my laptop

[sullen scarab]

Loool

Yes

[serene bough]

my mods arent loading and idk why

[surreal rune]

you have wof to shoot many ranged elites or ragers, wait for surgical on tougher enemies

[hollow ibex]

Stacking surgical?

Fuck it we ball

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1395862442566877266/23CFFD1.MP4?ex=68f2a4b4&is=68f15334&hm=baa069daa8e885a7b2ebc34633c35700fcb792fcd59c1174403d11c19beeb2c5&

I need to get a new clip

This is on old vet lol

[sullen scarab]

for the mk6 knife, is it ok to spam light attacks for horde clear, or are you supposed to do teh heavy combo lol

[hybrid plover]

mix it up

[surreal rune]

is that the knife with the heavy slashes

[hybrid plover]

because those heavies have more cleave than the lights

[sullen scarab]

yeah

i knew knife gremlin would teach me

[surreal rune]

they have more cleave and better stagger yeah

[sullen scarab]

was it heavy > heavy > light > light repeat?

trying to remember lol

i'm trying to put together a meme bleed build

[surreal rune]

spamming lights also works

for vet?

[sullen scarab]

after learning about the grenade bolt pistol exploit

yes lmao

[hybrid plover]

i gotchu

this is a chain i use for horde clear pretty often

[surreal rune]

the bleed from serrated is pretty good horde clear too

[sullen scarab]

yeah i'm gonna put that on

[surreal rune]

mercy killer is a good pick now

as serrated is easier to get

[hybrid plover]

i like serrated + flesh tearer a lot

mercy killer is really good for single target

flesh tearer makes the bleed way more consistent for horde clear

[sullen scarab]

lacerate + Flesh Tearer any good now, or still cheeks

[hollow ibex]

If you want to light spam mk3 is better

[hybrid plover]

eh, because serrated is a thing, there's not really much need for lacerate anymore

the main reason you wanted lacerate is because it was a way to guarantee bleed stacks

[sullen scarab]

true

and yeah I'm trying to get into the mk6 because the mk3 light spam break my hand for the rest of the week lmao

and the auto attack mod doesn't work well for me

uncanny strike is still busted right

[surreal rune]

yeah

[sullen scarab]

wafting between lacerate + mercy killer or lacerate uncanny lol

[wild vortex]

Is there a way to make Power Falchion feel good

[hybrid plover]

Push attack + heavy + light

[sullen scarab]

ohhhhh

that's sick

i like it

[hybrid plover]

cuz the heavy light that comes after push attack also comes at a really good angle to hit heads

and since you're pushing too, you're also giving yourself more space

[sullen scarab]

ahhhh i see

[hybrid plover]

note how despite me getting hit, i never got hit enough to actually take damage

and this is without ws, mind you

[sullen scarab]

yeah seems safe

[hybrid plover]

keep in mind that while the push attack is a stab

it also has pretty good cleave as well

[sullen scarab]

i see

[hybrid plover]

mk6 push attack is just

really good

[sullen scarab]

isn't the push attack also the super high damage stab too

the nuke

[hybrid plover]

ye

[sullen scarab]

I slapped this together for a knife bleed bolt pistol grenade build, anything I should change on it

for lols

[hollow ibex]

Focus target and basically all the right hand side melee talents

[hybrid plover]

ofc in havoc, you'll have to do a lot more mixing up for horde clear since things attack faster

[wild vortex]

Damn

[sullen scarab]

something like that

based it on your knife bolter build from last time lol

[hybrid plover]

i'm tempted to say, you rlly dont need unyielding on knife

it is one of the highest damaging weapons for unyielding in the game

[sullen scarab]

true

wasn't it carapace/flak?

[hybrid plover]

i actually run cara + unarmored

[sullen scarab]

i wasn't able to fit in bring it down, not sure if I should get rid of like out for blood for bring it down

or give up on your toes

[hybrid plover]

on your toes

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[hybrid plover]

out for blood gets crazy use out of buffed shredders

[sullen scarab]

ok LOL

i'll do that

[hybrid plover]

or you can be bold

[orchid hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1319016150822031491/894568981946576916.gif

FLESH TEARER FLESH TEARER FLESH TEARER AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[sullen scarab]

LOL

its a meme build for fun

[hybrid plover]

and trade out for blood for grenadier

become a gambler

[sullen scarab]

perfect lmao

something like that

rip out for blood

[hybrid plover]

it good

[sullen scarab]

out for blood good with buffed shredder, but no points to take it, sadge

[hybrid plover]

i mean you're probably going to break the game anyway

like unironically

[wild vortex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0218387-9ada-4e69-b376-951364659d25/temp-8

[sullen scarab]

yes LOL

I'll just shout at people

[wild vortex]

Something like that?

[sullen scarab]

for toughness

[hybrid plover]

i'm gonna argue that serrated

[orchid hemlock]

Wrong

[hybrid plover]

honestly enables flesh tearer more than even mercy killer

[hybrid plover]

cuz 10 bleed stacks on crit is fucking stupidly strong and makes something the knife isn't exactly supposed to be good at

pretty darn good at it

while still letting it be really good for single target

[sullen scarab]

stab time

[hybrid plover]

and the fact that serrated means you never have downtime for bleed to decay ever

even more so

[orchid hemlock]

Saul is that you?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah though tbh I would drop six stacks and covering fire

And take agile engagement

[hybrid plover]

https://gyazo.com/eb31b8ee2d3d0d30e44de62e02f2d36a

[hollow ibex]

And potentially move field improv to serrated blade

I think I run carapace flak on my falch

Idr

[hybrid plover]

i was told

yesterday

that cara unyielding is the play

cuz flak doesn't do much

think it was path that said it?

i cant remember i was loopy on a fever

and still am

[orchid hemlock]

Tbh I've noticed that everything becomes cara/unyield in havoc because breakpoints don't exist anymore 😔

[hybrid plover]

i like cara unarmored on knife tbh

and tac axe and combat axe too

[orchid hemlock]

No

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1319016150822031491/894568981946576916.gif

[hybrid plover]

well that's just ur opinion

i could go unyielding but honestly

i really dont think knife is pressed for unyielding damage

like at all

and i'd rather just try to make it more consistent for the hitmass mayhem of groaner hordes

unarmored is kind of mandatory on the axes tho

i suppose if it's 21st mobian, unarmored becomes flak tho

at least for knoife

[sullen scarab]

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think there are any breakpoints for groaners on knife, even thru hordes

Well knife is not a wave clearing weapon either so

[hybrid plover]

this is true, but it does make the knife actually clear through those hordes more consistently from my experience

i been runnin it with double barrel and it's been doin me good service in havoc

[orchid hemlock]

I'm sure but that can be a Mandela effect

The reason you take unarmored on knife is if you really want to consistently one shot gunners

Knife already one shots groaners, so unarmored will only help with the cleaved damage

Which isn't great on knife

[hybrid plover]

that's where flesh tearer comes in :)

bleed ignores cleave distribution

makes it feel way better than it should be honestly

and it does get some mileage particularly with unarmored

because ironically enough

bleed itself doesn't do as much damage to unarmored targets

which is

really weird

[orchid hemlock]

Oh wait you were serious about FT?

I thought you were memeing this whole time 💀

[hybrid plover]

wait whuh

I think it was someone else that mentioned FT for power falchion

[hollow ibex]

I should probably run tests again to compare FT with lacerate

Last time I checked they were fairly similar on mk3

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah you only take FT on Vet if you pair it with Mercy

[hybrid plover]

call me crazy

i think it works with bleed blessings too

if you use the subnode that gives extra damage on marked kill too since that does buff the bleed as well

[orchid hemlock]

Wait which other bleed blessing?

You mean the talent?

[hybrid plover]

prolly flesh

and serrated

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[hybrid plover]

i honestly dont see much reason to even use lacerate on vet at this point

[orchid hemlock]

Lacerate is probably one of the worst blessings in the entire game

And the second worst blessing on knife

[hybrid plover]

it was "okay" solely because it was the only guaranteed way to get bleed for vet once upon a time

flesh just wasn't that consistent

[orchid hemlock]

No flesh is horrific on knife unironically

I would rather take Haymaker

[hollow ibex]

It’s decent on mk3

[hybrid plover]

okay say what you want about bleed blessings but this is just crazy talk lmao

haymaker is straight up

[hollow ibex]

You proc it while light spamming at head level lol

[hybrid plover]

the absolute worst blessing in the game

like it's not even close

haymaker is actually trolling

[orchid hemlock]

I mean if you spam lights maybe

But why are you spamming lights on knife all the time?

[hybrid plover]

cuz mk3 is good at that

[orchid hemlock]

Flesh is anti synergy with how you want to use knife

Knife does the majority of its damage with weak points or hitting crits

Flesh provides neither

[hybrid plover]

https://gyazo.com/4008d6113ca155c1ae79ee8075e718b2

and yet...

[hollow ibex]

Wdym it gives both extra horde clear and single target damage

[hybrid plover]

i hope you know right bottom also buffs your bleed a fuck ton, right?

once upon a time

bleed wasn't that great

[orchid hemlock]

I mean I can run greys in a havoc 40 and probably top damage charts as a Psyker

I don't think that means greys are Havoc meta 💀

Bleed still isn't good

Hang on where is that chart?

Found it

[hybrid plover]

while there was a purge psyker, in that exact game

[orchid hemlock]

I honestly don't care, I have no idea what the context is and the skill difference, the difficulty, the modifiers ect...

Like I said, bleed on Vet is to enable Mercy

Bleed becomes just a nice bonus

But bleed by itself in isolation is generally bad in comparison to things like uncanny, riposte, Precog

[hollow ibex]

Well you’d take uncanny

[hybrid plover]

you take uncanny, clearly

[hollow ibex]

And then a bleed blessing

Try it out

You might like it

[hybrid plover]

hell it's pretty good even without it

if you bother to use rending strikes

[hollow ibex]

Bleed wasn’t bad even before the vet rework

[hybrid plover]

I don't think it was nearly as good back then as it is now

But vet's tree giga buffs bleed usage now

[orchid hemlock]

I want to on Zealot

But I feel like Vet doesn't have enough crit rate to enable Flesh constantly

[hybrid plover]

Here's the thing

Serrated, basically acts as a buffer for flesh to make it way more consistent

Because since every hit you make will do bleed, it's only a matter of time before that crit will come in and immediately make that bleed damage start putting it serious work

[spiral dew]

heavy las pistol users:

I read some people singing its praises. I don't get it. How is this weapon intended to be used?

[hybrid plover]

because vet already has a good innate crit chance, it isn't that hard for that to happen

and because you have reciprocity, that 1/3 hits very quickly becomes 1/2 hits

[orchid hemlock]

How?

[sullen scarab]

I like how this conversation is happening because I posted a picture of a knife

[orchid hemlock]

I'm not waiting for the bleed to stack I'll just kill the target by the time it does

[hybrid plover]

every attack you do, is two bleed stacks

therefore, there is never a point where there's downtime for the stacks to ever decay

and because knife is a pretty quick attacker, it is not that long before you end up with the crit to take advatage of serrated and turn two stacks into ten

[tall torrent]

vet has 35% base for knife, and up to 60% with reciprocity
if that's still not enough idk

[hybrid plover]

like have you actually tried this?

[orchid hemlock]

I honestly think bleed is just heavy cope at this point

[hybrid plover]

you can nonbelieve all u want

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

Also I understand that the point of bleed focus is to stack bleed as quickly as possible

Vet doesn't have the tools to do that

But Zealot does

[hollow ibex]

I was using lacerate

[tall torrent]

35~60% chance to instantly apply 10 stacks of bleed, with more consistent bleed stack than zealot

[hybrid plover]

...have we forgotten about serrated???

[orchid hemlock]

Force crits out via fury, and scourge

[orchid hemlock]

2 stacks

[hybrid plover]

i almost feel like i'm being trolled at this point

[hollow ibex]

Mainly as a quick draw sidearm

And mobility stick

Very good at that

[tall torrent]

Zealot is not that much higher crit chance compared to veteran and has less damage

[orchid hemlock]

It has a 100% crit and 100% rending button on demand

[tall torrent]

A 100% Mrending attack

Not a 100% rending attack

With lower damage than vet still

[orchid hemlock]

Dam it doesn't do anything to bleed feels bad 😔

[tall torrent]

Vet just very simply hits harder

[hybrid plover]

i have tried to preach the way

it has not worked

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think not agreeing with you is "trolling"

All you have given me in this convo is anecdotal claims

I literally gave you the stat sheet of bleed stacks being applied to different armor type. How am I trolling? 💀

[tall torrent]

Flesh tearer + serrated is pretty good tbh

The competitors aren’t as transformative comparatively

[hybrid plover]

Because you're downplaying everything i've said without actually giving it an attempt to see what I'm talking about.

[tall torrent]

Mercy killer is not good enough unfortunately

[hollow ibex]

I need to try this

[hybrid plover]

I'M TELLIN U

bleed knife actually has become pretty damn good with the rework

[tall torrent]

It’s hard carried by uncanny + skirmisher + EW

As it turns out +100% rending is op and then getting +45% damage makes it even better

[hybrid plover]

Especially since it still suffers from one major issue

You still have to proc the bleed first before that 60% weakspot actually does anything

[tall torrent]

That’s not the problem

The issue is that it’s simply not enough lol

It’s still not as good as DS in single target damage

DS does 2x its single target dps on carapace

Yes 2x

[hybrid plover]

I feel like if they just made it base damage, it'd be a lot better off

[tall torrent]

+60% melee damage from a single blessing is ridiculous

[hybrid plover]

Maybe still have to hit weakspot though

And make the value lower

[sharp epoch]

I think the major downside of melee vet though is most of their dr is conditional so you need to be near your team for close order drill and over 75% toughness, so you can't dive groups of enemies with no team like arb, zealots, and oggies

[tame lodge]

So nothing changed

Nothing ever happens

🗣️

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s a good trade off tbh

I don’t mind it

[sharp epoch]

People just see the damage and go like wow vet is better zealot, but no, vet is squishy when you get separated and excels when your kinda turtling as a team

[hybrid plover]

idk why people say that when the function of the classes are fundamentally different tbh

[tall torrent]

I don’t mind that because guardsmen are supposed to be sticking together to take on harder battles

It’s lore accuracy being conveyed in gameplay in a good way

[hybrid plover]

vet is a very good anchor basically

zealot is a frontliner

[tall torrent]

And yea vet does a lot of the heavy lifting in damage when they’re able to stick together as a team

That’s how the imperial guard wins

[tame lodge]

Hive World Origin 🗣️

[sonic kayak]

Mordian Iron Guard

[wild vortex]

How happy are you with the Vet tree rework btw

[tall torrent]

I only play forge world

[tame lodge]

[wild vortex]

Wasn't around when the patch dropped so I didn't see your take on it

[tall torrent]

7/10
a lot of good changes
some parts are really bad still

Middle section above aura
And bottom left section

Also krak not having instakill override and having to take tinkerer to kill crushers in havoc max

[wild vortex]

But MF is nice now

[tall torrent]

It’s not great

Keystone itself is better

But its pathing is so bad

That the resulting opportunity cost is just not worth it

U can take every other damage talent in the tree + FT and do at least 80% of MF’s job for ranged

While making ur melee way better

[sharp epoch]

In terms of vet's power level I think they took a slight hit cause tactical awareness was just that broken with shout especially, unless you were an exe stance vet

[wild vortex]

Even with Exe Stance?

[tall torrent]

U can take exe stance by itself and not need MF

Exe is pretty hilariously durable now

[orchid hemlock]

Nooo 😭

How could you Path?

[storm pine]

Does Power Sword VI dump cleave target or mobility

[tall torrent]

It is actually pretty good tho

[tall torrent]

Cleave targets

[storm pine]

Is there a reason for that?

[wild vortex]

Yeezus

[hollow ibex]

Nah randomly chosen

[tall torrent]

Cuz it doesn’t matter much for this weapon

U get 0.8 more cleave when energized

[orchid hemlock]

Oh wait for some reason I read that as Lacerate

Nvm

Few

[tall torrent]

Brainrot supreme

[storm pine]

Doesn't the stat affect damage and not mass cleave or am I reading it wrong

[tall torrent]

No, just cleave budget

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah flesh + uncanny is probably the best combo if you care the most about bleed damage

[stuck gorge]

whats the build?

[orchid hemlock]

I remember when I tried to make it work on Zealot before the reworks 😔

[hollow ibex]

It’s always worked on zealot tho

[tall torrent]

don't tell me u read @hybrid plover 's whole talk on bleed while thinking it was about lacerate

lol

[orchid hemlock]

No I think we only mentioned lacerate once

And we both agreed it was doodoo

[tall torrent]

rending strikes helps vig auto a good amount

[narrow frost]

illusion of choice

[hollow ibex]

Not taking tinkerer 😭

[tall torrent]

this is the vet default I use, go either VoC or EXE

[tall torrent]

for auric u actually don't need it to 1 shot crusher with krak

[orchid hemlock]

No VOC 😔

[stuck gorge]

voc so bad they take no ability

[hollow ibex]

Yeah ig if you have skirmisher up

[tame lodge]

That's Cleave DAMAGE, not cleave TARGETS

[orchid hemlock]

Wait why are you taking serrated with the PS?

[tame lodge]

However

If you do hover over the stat

It'll have a wrong tooltip

[hollow ibex]

What else are you gonna take 😭

[tame lodge]

Real

[tame lodge]

The choices on that row are pretty 💀

[orchid hemlock]

But like but the time you get above 4 bleed stacks, the target is already dead 💀

[tame lodge]

Refer to my previous statement

💀

[orchid hemlock]

But wouldn't you prefer some safety or utility instead?

At the very least it is useful in those specific moments

[tame lodge]

The least egregious one on that row is Covert Operative

Because Flanking is literally easy af

But still, ranged only

[orchid hemlock]

Hey giving an Ogryn unlimited nades is pretty cinema 📽️

[tame lodge]

True
But woops
33% chance of being rockgryn

[orchid hemlock]

Then idk, unlimited nades for you 😈

[tame lodge]

12+ smokes

https://tenor.com/view/herogasm-soldier-boy-smoke-mothers-milk-mm-gif-26079205

[orchid hemlock]

https://youtu.be/CGSLPVRltXA?si=8sQcRvf8SKSMYVVA

[tall torrent]

mixed horde clear

[tall torrent]

no

cleave 5 maulers

hit them 5 times

10 bleed stacks on all of them

not uncommon that u need to swing a lot of times on mixed horde

[steel veldt]

where Always Prepared

[tall torrent]

most guns don't need it

[steel veldt]

Yeah but it's so fun

I use it with Bpistol

swap, shoot one shot, instakill

go back to melee

[tame lodge]

Wait
Shock Troop Gauntlet
On Rolling Steel

That's a thing?

[tall torrent]

it's ok

[quaint marsh]

No-Keystone vet is a thing right?

[hybrid plover]

im about to crash out

💀

[tall torrent]

wouldn't recommend tbh

1 point into WS or FT is pretty good value vs other talents

[quaint marsh]

Running this rn with Ilas cuz its fun, but Im not actually good enough to hit weakspots 100% of the time, so I dont get a shitload of value out of Marksman

Doing auric with it

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Been ages since I ran Laspistol

saying fuck it lets use it again

MMF or WS pathing is all im wondering and what should I pair with it

like DumDum + Inf?

[tall torrent]

WS tbh

[faint beacon]

II or X

[tall torrent]

I don't like infernus but it's ok

[tall torrent]

is this a real question

[faint beacon]

Perchance even though I know the awnser

(its II)

[faint beacon]

Well whats the prefered Perks now seeing right side pathing juices literally everything it touches @tall torrent

Flakiac? Flakyield?

[tall torrent]

maniac unyielding

[faint beacon]

I know its gonna be Flak Something

That so?

[tall torrent]

do u like gambling on crit to kill specialists

[hollow ibex]

But spending one point on it… idk

[faint beacon]

Depends on how im feeling

Im assuming Maniac + Unyield is just the safest bet then

[tame lodge]

ok maybe not the least egregious

[tall torrent]

yea

[tame lodge]

but still

[tall torrent]

flak doesn't change it that much tbh?

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

still roughly same shots to kill vs gunners and shotgunners

[sullen scarab]

Does knife need rending strikes if you take uncanny on it?

[tame lodge]

Nope

[sullen scarab]

Ok good

Oh yeah what do you take on the dueling sword?

Was it Thrust??

I remember thrust being a thing

[tranquil ledge]

67🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[void dragon]

question, what perks are used for the recon lasguns? for VIc and XII

[hollow ibex]

Flak unyielding and crit chance

[void dragon]

any of the 3? no matter the mk?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah though I would always take crit chance

I normally do unyielding crit

[austere mica]

I will end you myself

[hybrid plover]

Thrust if you want to really invest in single target with dueling sword

[sullen scarab]

Is it carapace/unyielding, precog/uncanny strike otherwise?

Or riposte/us

[hybrid plover]

Mix of precog/uncanny/riposte

And those perks are fine

It's not like dueling sword is really gonna be a horde clear kinda weapon anyway

If you run thrust, I'd recommend uncanny tho

[willow prairie]

uncanny is a must on ds

you do everything worse otherwise

you used to be able to 2 shot auric crusher with only 1 stack of thrust before hp buff but even then riposte is still better

and it doesn't do much in havoc

also doesn't scale off attack speed

[tall torrent]

I lowkey like shred

[willow prairie]

I mean ds is a fast hitting weapon

It does make sense

on other hand riposte just do the same thing really

[hollow ibex]

Shred my beloved

[junior grail]

What ability should I run with Bolt Pistol?

[hollow ibex]

Anything

But a good idea to run with WS

[sullen scarab]

Awesome, ty guys

[dim escarp]

zealot doesnt deserve the thunder hammer

veteran does

instead replace zealot thammer with some kinda god emperor religious book they can smack people with

👍

[meager echo]

Hong kong meta vs Rottern armour + purple

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-damn-good-deal-good-deal-id-make-that-deal-gif-27676387

[void dragon]

legit fotage of Zealot new weapon: the Lectitio Divinatus

[junior grail]

Zealot Book needs to be an actual book

[void dragon]

we need skill and blitz skins for book and rock

[fair shale]

Mozgus is such a memorable dude tbh

That was a good arc

[sullen scarab]

do you need superiority complex for the knives? I feel liek I'm still hitting 4 shot kills on crushers without it lol

[hybrid plover]

it's nice to have

because it's a flat damage increase for everything you use

not just your melee

[sullen scarab]

yeah hm

just trying to figure out what to do to squeeze in explosions and stuff LOL

[hybrid plover]

yeah if you're using shredders

i'd keep it

since it affects ur bleed too

[sullen scarab]

ohhhhh!

I had no idea lmao

ok

i realized I had rending strikes on

but I don't think I need it lol

i really wanted to take Out for Blood

but I think I'm ok now that I have a +25 toughness node lol

[hybrid plover]

yeah if ur using uncanny, there is absolutely no need for rending strikes

[hollow ibex]

"DB can't deal with specials at range!!"

[rancid egret]

Lore accurate POV of facing your average zealot.

[void dragon]

DB superiority propaganda

[rancid egret]

Classic berserk

[hollow ibex]

yeah DB really is so satisfying

[void dragon]

seriously, underhand frag nades while invi so they benefit from the damage amp is quite good strat, a good nova of damage

[hollow ibex]

yeah i feel like a psyker

every 45 seconds that is

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-look-what-they-need-to-mimic-a-fraction-of-our-power-gif-25672186

psykers watching me play

[void dragon]

honestly feel that sparkheads got a lil too much defenses

always meant to do damage, but now they are quite sturdy

those perks need to give less

[hollow ibex]

fs: got it, 10 more buffs to psyker it is

https://tenor.com/view/amin11ghasemi-gif-11836505681003332569

[willow prairie]

psyker need to get pregnant

[mortal aspen]

Mozgus did nothing wrong

[tame lodge]

We heard your feedback
Next Scriers buff literally makes psyker immune

Thx for your feedback

ghosts the community for another 3 months

[sullen scarab]

Maybe they're testing the cool down of the veteran infiltrate, that's why we don't see them for 3 months

[void dragon]

Real AND relatable

[hybrid plover]

silo cluster is so ass 😭

@eternal venture i eat my words wholeheartedly

[willow prairie]

excise vault:

[hybrid plover]

both are contenders for pretty bad maps on havoc

twas a cranial armor and good lord it's bad

there's just no where to go and so much armor to get through lmao

[toxic reef]

excise vault is at least a cool looking map, silo cluster is difficult AND ugly

[hybrid plover]

honestly i dont think silo would have been

as bad

if not for the rotten armor

[toxic reef]

silo cluster is just my least fav map overall

[meager echo]

The first section and last room is cancer especially in pubs.

[hybrid plover]

we kept wiping at the first section

[toxic reef]

the only good part is the mid event

[meager echo]

I think best way is to just rush through the high ground first section. If you get stuck down stair it's hopeless.

[toxic reef]

you'd think the crowded underbelly of a hive city wouldn't have that many open spaces

[hybrid plover]

that straight up just isnt possible with how much armor is waiting for you

i think if it wasn't armor

maybe

but that was the thing really sealing the deal in a lot of cases

[meager echo]

The last room is also very cancer, you can't solo all 3 corruptor. If you play in pubs it take forever -.-

[hybrid plover]

i had a good weapon for that

well, weapons

that being said

new bolter

i can at least give it this

it does help make space in the carapace hordes sometimes

and does a lot of collateral to the stuff around them

cuz it was actually putting in work that game but

[eternal venture]

Actual worst map lol

[hybrid plover]

alas

[eternal venture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1148594245213634642.webp?size=96

[meager echo]

Everytime i play silo cluster, I pray that we get bosses spawn early so we can kite backward. If you get downstair and bosses start to spawn it's very awkward

[hybrid plover]

honestly

[eternal venture]

Yeah if you don't have room to back up, it's pain

[hybrid plover]

the bosses weren't even the real problem

[eternal venture]

It's the nonstop crusher gauntlets and super long gunner sightlines

that map is simply not made for havoc density lol

[hybrid plover]

other than that one run with the two chaos spawns at that very beginning for some fucking reason

[meager echo]

It's a big area with no cover. Bosses force you to stay still get spray by gunners.

[eternal venture]

Yeah that run felt the comfiest (until it wasn't comfy)

Once you get past the first area, it's not SO bad

[hybrid plover]

focus target was helping too

[eternal venture]

but it's still one of the harder maps overall

[hybrid plover]

i honestly should just relent to using focus target for rotten at this point

[eternal venture]

Honestly the worst thing about rotten armor, for me

[hybrid plover]

since it does actually make ur melee a lot stronger against the armored targets you need to kill

[eternal venture]

is the nonstop green gas turning my screen into a baja blast bottle

[meager echo]

If the psyker in your team decide to run venting shriek, the first section is pure cbt

[eternal venture]

Oh yeah I've had psykers run shriek and scriers on that map before

it's borderline griefing lol

[meager echo]

i don't even see the big dmg they all talking about.

[eternal venture]

It's mostly overkill imo

on trash mobs

which you are already overkilling anyway

it does nothing for armor (which is the scariest thing this patch

[hybrid plover]

and to think

[eternal venture]

Oh god a shriek psyker just joined my party LOL

LOOK WHAT YOU DID

[hybrid plover]

the second modifier is the easiest one right n-

oh no

[eternal venture]

aaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The 40 I had last night was brainworms + purple Power Matrix

and we oneshot it

this map and mod combo is straight asscheeks

[hybrid plover]

funny thing is

it could be worse

since you have cranial

imagine if that was stimms or garden instead

[meager echo]

Trauma psyker run venting shriek. He's very good but even with that the trade off is not worth imo.

[eternal venture]

Well

we got double full-strength plogryns right at the bottom of the stairwell

with no bubble

[eternal venture]

Yeah there are some good psykers I play with in NA server who I can trust to run shriek/scriers

But even they will switch to bubble if things get rough

and they would just be better off running bubble anyway

[dark surge]

if a map is too open then bubble is the best choice

unless you want to risk rolling 200 reapers

[eternal venture]

(You'll always get the reapers)

[dark surge]

if its cqc then anything goes

[hybrid plover]

it's funny because silo is kind of the opposite

[meager echo]

I joined his party for random rotten armour thrill. His psyker friend play purg bubble, but he take 3 toughness curios... Instant dead to pox burster.

[eternal venture]

lol the classic

I run triple toughness curios on psyker sometimes just for fun

[hybrid plover]

it's not that it's too open more that the sightlines are so narrow and there's so many little gaps to fire on you from

[eternal venture]

It's less-bad now that we have Just a Dream

but before the patch? one burster takes you to 40% hp

Yeah, Silo is made for these long firefights

Different vision of the game from when it was still in dev

[meager echo]

we play 3 man most of the time during that run. And without bubble, no one can do anything, just stand behind cover waiting.

[eternal venture]

I reckon

[eternal venture]

Yeah it makes the match slow

[meager echo]

I don't even know what people talking about all the toughness regen buff no need bubble

I don't buy any of that.

Pure defensive comp is way faster than yolo full dps. Most people can't play perfectly, they don't need more dps, they need to stay alive.

[eternal venture]

Yup

Unless Havoc changes in some signficant way in the future, utility ults will always be better than more damage ults

Chorus is always going to be safer and smoother than FotF

VoC always smoother than exe or infil

Even if FotF and VoC are good

yellow toughness is just too important

Shroudfield is a unique case because it actually turns zealot into a boss nuker

but chorus is still the 'safe' choice

[meager echo]

You need to enable your average team mate to do well, they don't need you to deal more dmg. Just make it easier for them and the run is smoother.

[eternal venture]

Yup

Players already do "enough" damage

in most cases

[dark surge]

first horde on garden and rotten

actually crazy

[meager echo]

Sometime you can have shotgunners seed in rotten armour map, it's the easiest seed. Way better than the mauler one.

[sudden cedar]

@eternal venture Zealot can be a Boss Nuker without shroudfield and without the Shroudfield Martyrdom Meme Build. It won't be a one-shot, but that way the Zealot will remain useful for other encounters as well

[hybrid plover]

shroudfield is also just an extra risk on top of a lot of things happening already

[eternal venture]

FotF lets Zealot nuke too, yes

but still, in H40, you'd still usually rather have Chorus

[hybrid plover]

even if the player is actively being careful to not just aggro dump, just because so much is happening, it can inevitably cause that anyway

[meager echo]

I think shroudfiled zealot is legit, it's just hard to pull of with randoms.

[eternal venture]

Vet can be your bosskiller and elite killer with Kraks while also providing VoC

[hybrid plover]

:)

[eternal venture]

hehehehe

Yeah Shroudfield is legit

You need people building around you though

[hybrid plover]

i can at least attest that i was doing the big numbers

shroudfield is more for premades imho

[eternal venture]

Yeah

You can make anything work with premades, admittedly

Wish those ults were easier to pull off with randoms

[dark surge]

man this team is pacing like crazy

[eternal venture]

I rarely get to play FotF in pubs above like

H35 lol

[hybrid plover]

that being said

there is one ability that surprisingly works well with even pubs as long as you have a source of golden toughness

exe stance

[eternal venture]

Yeah exe is legit if there's a zealot with chorus

[hybrid plover]

especially in the modifiers like vent purge and lights out

[meager echo]

I don't like the chorus cdr nerf at all. It's only affect premade zealots, it hurt the class in pubs run. The only unique build for average players to enjoy zealot in havoc.

[hybrid plover]

since enhanced target priority makes a huge difference actually

[sudden cedar]

Nuncio Aquila could give Golden Toughness as well. Removes the need for having Voice of Command or Chorus. The side effects of that decision however.. eeeh.. not sure.

[hybrid plover]

it's extra investment but for the information it can provide for the team, it's pretty powerful

[eternal venture]

This is very true

People used to crap on it in here, but

It's super helpful in havoc

[hybrid plover]

the only reason

[eternal venture]

where there are more than enough kills to keep it going

[hybrid plover]

i do not use it more

[eternal venture]

and the 8s duration is very nice

[hybrid plover]

is solely because this game's sound sucks

and there are times where you're going to take a cheap poxburster that you can't hear at all in the middle of all the madness happening

[eternal venture]

Nuncio applying gold would be crazy

with the other buffs and debuffs it provides

it's a decent 'replacement' for gold toughness when fighting gunners, though

[meager echo]

I would love to see the win rate of average havoc run. I don't think the game need to be harder than this. Unless fatshark show that the win rate somehow go up significantly after new tree I don't think we need players nerf at all.

[eternal venture]

Yeah I'd like to see the winrate too

Surely they have internal statistics

I'm certain it went down pretty drastically after the patch lol

They definitely could make the game even harder, but they shouldn't

[hybrid plover]

i highly doubt win rate went up after the update

[eternal venture]

Like this season feels totally inspired by Deathwish from Vermintide

for all the wrong reasons

[hybrid plover]

solely because the current modifiers

are fucking brutal

[meager echo]

Popular content creator keep asking for nerf. And they hard stuck mid h30s with the most op shit in the game.

[eternal venture]

The current modifiers compound with the Crusher and Rager hp buffs, too

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bQszi.gif

[eternal venture]

It took me almost two weeks to climb back up to true 40 lol

though a lot of that was due to the nonstop crashes in the first week

[sudden cedar]

Aye

[eternal venture]

I avoided purple + rotten armor if I saw it, too

and pox gas

[sudden cedar]

The crashes made it way too risky

[hybrid plover]

rotten garden makes me cry

[eternal venture]

Yeah I lost way too many ranks to crashes

Rotten Garden is more evil than red + yellow

[sudden cedar]

I don't agree on that.

[meager echo]

It's straight up un-fun to play.

[hybrid plover]

i actually won one the other day and it's just a slog and a half

[meager echo]

No one need that

[eternal venture]

Yeah those matches usually take like... 50+ minutes lol

[hybrid plover]

those two modifiers compound into each other in a very gross way

[sudden cedar]

All in line with Nurgle.

[meager echo]

I don't feel any accomplishment from winning purple + rotten armour, just relief because it's over.

[eternal venture]

I feel like taking a nap after purple armor

It definitely feels like playing against nurgle on tabletop

just nonstop tarpit units bogging you down

[dark surge]

i just played the most fun h40 of my life and it was on rotten garden

questioning my life rn

[eternal venture]

lmao

[dark surge]

stim + rotten makes me want to alt f4 though

[warm schooner]

rotten garden isn't that bad imo

stim rotten is definitely worse

[eternal venture]

Stimm + rotten or purple

now that's the worst

[hybrid plover]

it depends on the map too honestly

[warm schooner]

blue stim can eat a dick

[eternal venture]

Just because it's all rng-based on whether you'll get three blue dreg ragers in your face

[dark surge]

stim + rotten + power outage

🤑

rotten garden isnt really that bad

[hybrid plover]

like

the one i did was on vigil station

[warm schooner]

a lot of rotten comes down to how well your team can control the front line

[hybrid plover]

tough, but doable

if it was silo cluster???

[warm schooner]

unfortunately a lot of people rely on damage for control

[eternal venture]

I'll raise you a stim + rotten + pox gas

[hybrid plover]

i just do not see that happening

[dark surge]

my recent one was on consignment yard

[sudden cedar]

Damage is unfortunately not control.

[hybrid plover]

consignment yard is also a decently tame map

[eternal venture]

I've done rotten + stimm on silo

[hybrid plover]

other than some annoying sight lines

[dark surge]

but man the people i played with were

actually fucking insane

i have never seen someone pace this fast

end event in 22 minutes or so

[meager echo]

I disagree with the notion of the top 1% high skill players about the power creep " buff everything, don't nerf anything "
Average players can't win h40 consistently even with the meta builds.
If high skill players want the meta to change, they should ask fat shark to buff other under-powered weapons or builds. Everyone win this way.
Nerf only benefit high skill players, everyone else suffer.

[eternal venture]

The topmost end of players can just run duos or solos if they want challenge still

[hybrid plover]

my take is, we should have never started balancing around havoc to begin with

[eternal venture]

And even good players don't like the current meta

[hybrid plover]

because now fatshark is also power creeping havoc itself to accomodate for the increasing power creep that's happening

[eternal venture]

Alright so, now I can't even start a new mission

or host a havoc

[sudden cedar]

I dislike the lack of weapons that are decent or good at dealing with Carapace, or the lack of variety of it.

[eternal venture]

and if I join someone else's havoc, it says someone is still in a mission

wtf

Must be some weird error on fatshark's backend

[hybrid plover]

carapace seriously needs to be looked at

[eternal venture]

This

[warm schooner]

did someone leave a havoc you were in?

[eternal venture]

Nah

[meager echo]

I hate people complain about the lack of challenge, just use white weapon or something. Why should the game be balanced around 1% high skill players. It's dumb.

[dark surge]

i would not mind crusher spam if all weapons had an actual fucking option to deal with them

[eternal venture]

We all left together, then suddenly I'm unable to host. And now lobbies with me in them can't start, either

[dark surge]

even in vermintide stormvermin had an unarmored head, chaos warrior isnt cladded in full super armor, mauler's body is infantry

[warm schooner]

might need to derank

[eternal venture]

Sadly I might need to

[sudden cedar]

I don't have anything against the idea that Crushers should be more tanky to be more what they are supposed to, but it forces a way of dealing with them, solely with them, in the loadout, which boils down to just a few weapon options unless you build your talents around it.

[eternal venture]

that sucks so much

[sudden cedar]

Essentially, Dueling Sword or Knife.

And that is a shame for every other weapon that exists in the game so far.

[hybrid plover]

I mean there is more options than just those two

But it invalidates the ones that quite literally can't deal with them

[sudden cedar]

Sure, but they are the most prominent ones that most people will gravitate toward to.

And, as you said, it is to the detriment of the weapons that aren't them.

[eternal venture]

I would not be surprised if the health buffs and havoc mods were part of some dev's plan to make kraks good again lol

[pseudo fiber]

Or the power sword since hey we're in the vet class channel

[hybrid plover]

I actually said this to myself

[eternal venture]

because we're now in a Grail Knight situation where the ability to delete multiple armored elites on-demand is premium value

[hybrid plover]

I really do think

That someone at Fatshark wanted kraks to be really, really good

And then balanced the entire game around them

[pseudo fiber]

Honestly the current havoc rotation is not good I hope they have a look at the modifiers.

And maybe just throw stims back into the development pipeline for a while because jts almost there

[meager echo]

To me it's a pick your poison situation.
Do we want more weapons to deal with carapace or making everything else equally useless against carapace.

[dark surge]

yeah current havoc is just not fun

rotten armor is dogshit, blue stim is dogshit

[sudden cedar]

I disagree, but that is probably just me.

[dark surge]

i dont know why pox gas is still in rotation

[eternal venture]

idk it's awful

[warm schooner]

rotten armor honestly isn't that bad, a lot of people just need to learn to juggle cc

[eternal venture]

Rotten armor is probably the least-worst of the current modifiers

It turns the game into a slog, though

[hybrid plover]

it's bad on certain maps

[eternal venture]

of your frontline staggering the elite blob as you slowly kite backwards and chuck kraks at it

[sudden cedar]

I do wish that Rotten Armour is a modifier in Auric Maelstrom.

[eternal venture]

and avoiding the trappers who hide inside said armored blob

[dark surge]

its the uninteractive-kind of frontlining

[eternal venture]

yeah

[meager echo]

Rotten armor is bad for the game, It's invalidated many melee options.

[warm schooner]

I think rotten would be more interesting if there were more diverse ways of killing carapace like people have said

[hybrid plover]

me and cactus were doing cranial rotten on silo and the fact that you can barely move anywhere actively works against you with rotten

[eternal venture]

From what I've heard, rotten armor is actually supposed to be weak to ranged attacks as the enemy's health goes lower - but it just doesn't work properly

[pseudo fiber]

Maybe if they remove blue stims

[eternal venture]

But I haven't seen the code myself to confirm for myself (Source: some people I've played with)

[pseudo fiber]

Hrm...

[dark surge]

oh fucking please

please do

i will do ANYTHING to get any-DR related modifier out of the fucking game

[hybrid plover]

i will die on this hill

and say final toll is the best havoc modifier

[warm schooner]

wut

[dark surge]

final toll is fun because it forces you to actually play the game

[hybrid plover]

it just means you have to be careful with the elites you're attacking and make sure you actually finish them off

it's a skill check and an actually good one

no cheesy dr or healing factor

[dark surge]

at this point i want fatshark to just copy deathwish from modded vt 1:1

[hybrid plover]

and if they actually fix them

[dark surge]

i would actually enjoy playing frontline in havoc

[hybrid plover]

rituals could be a contender too

because i really like the idea of rituals

but their implementation is so ass

[eternal venture]

They'd be fun if every map didn't have a bugged ritual spot or three

Ahh

[cunning haven]

any opinions on running 3x revive speed + leave no one behind?

[meager echo]

Histg auric is really fun after update. It's like havoc lite minus the bosses spawn.

[eternal venture]

The game thinks my previous party is still together

the hell

[warm schooner]

yeah you prob need to do the cancel ongoing deployment

[eternal venture]

that's so sad

[warm schooner]

iirc it shouldn't derank even though it says it will

[eternal venture]

Let's see what happens

[warm schooner]

have a friend who had this happen multiple times

[eternal venture]

Yeah I've heard of it happening before

[meager echo]

it won't derank, happen to me frequently.

If you at 40, cancel don't derank

[eternal venture]

Okay, it fixed it

ty

Yeah I didn't know if it would actually derank you

[meager echo]

If you host your run, that bug happen all the time.

[eternal venture]

So strange

[cunning haven]

?

[meager echo]

3x revive speed is good. Don't take leave no one behind. Take demo team instead.

[cunning haven]

i am also taking demo team 🙂

[meager echo]

Then you can freely spend the extra talent point on something else. Leave no one behind is not good enough.

[calm shard]

most do

there are a few outliers that straight up can't kill crushers, but most weapons can deal with them to some extent

Heavy Sword and Dclaw are the 2 weapons that immediately come to mind as being incapable of killing Crushers

[meager echo]

If you can't kill crushers in a timely manners, the game become very tedious.

[calm shard]

bull butcher ogryn knife has a pretty bad time of it too

I mean timely manner is relative

[cunning haven]

alrighty, thanks

[calm shard]

Do you mean "timely manner" power sword

Or "timely manner" combat axe/knife

[meager echo]

I'm not sure. I want power sword ttk but I don't know if that unreasonable or not.

Even with how strong power sword is right now, playing into rotten armour still feel very tedious.

[cunning haven]

rotten armor makes my recon lasgun sad

[turbid ibex]

Rotten armor makes sad

[calm shard]

yes because rotten armor is tedious

power sword's carapace damage is imo wildly overpowered and needs to be severely nerfed

like you have Power Sword carapace damage and it's several leagues above the next best carapace killing weapons

[meager echo]

I can agree that the cleave component is op, the single target is ok.

[calm shard]

No

2 shotting 6500 HP crushers is not okay

[toxic reef]

zealot's revive talent is easier to take, since it's a path you have to go through

[meager echo]

Its suppose to deal high dmg, else no reason to use a zero mobility weapon with sub par dps.

[calm shard]

Or what is it in havoc 3 shots?

Power Sword has some of the best DPS into every health type in the game across all weapons

It does not have a single weakness outside of that mobility

It is best in slot into everything

[toxic reef]

is 2 shot with focus target or

[calm shard]

Just precision strikes+superiority complex

[meager echo]

Then how much is resonable ? Half dps of current ps ?

[calm shard]

If you aren't using FT (or Bring It Down) one of the 2 melee has to crit

[calm shard]

About a third, where the other good carapace killers are at right now

Because PS genuinely has triple the carapace damage of the other good into carapace weapons

[meager echo]

Thats around 2k

So just use rashad instead

[toxic reef]

ok I was testing out psword stuff in psyk and idr if I was on a crit build so

[calm shard]

rashad doesn't have psword cleave and stagger

[meager echo]

Even slab shield ogryn hit 1k8 dps on carapace

[calm shard]

yes because slab shield on ogryn is good into carapace

and always has been

[meager echo]

Then why would i play vet then

[tall torrent]

4 (but u pay 4 stamina to do it since u need to do the push atk combo twice)

[meager echo]

Just block cancel h1, less input, similar dps ...

[turbid ibex]

Because vet has other stuff than pord into carapace

[calm shard]

This is the most shallow whataboutism bullshit from someone who clearly just wants to unga bunga power sword every game

[meager echo]

I dont want to my ability to deal with carapace tight to cooldown

Its tedious

[calm shard]

Then use things like the knife

The balanced anti-carapace weapons

That have a third of power sword's dps because the power sword is wildly overpowered and needs to be heavily nerfed

[tall torrent]

I think ~4.5k is a sweet spot where it is above the rest but not so ridiculously ahead

And it’ll still kill havoc crusher in 2 combos but u need to land all 6 atks to weakspot

[tall torrent]

Knife is around half

[meager echo]

Nah dood. If they nerf ps i just move on to the next best thing.

I dont want high effort gameplay

[azure narwhal]

[tall torrent]

There kinda just isn’t

lol

[azure narwhal]

Darktide has the only community which doesn't want to play the game

[turbid ibex]

What difficulty do you play on

[meager echo]

Sedation

I cant handle more than 2 groaners

[turbid ibex]

Like the ramones music

Pog

[meager echo]

I want to play the game with no hands, no brain only function computer

[azure narwhal]

Yes

[meager echo]

This is at least reasonable for a weapon with no mobility and cant stagger crushers.
If its 1/3 dps i just move to perma stagger weapons and enjoy the game, no point using it.

[calm shard]

meta chasing like this seems exhausting when most people take far less to enjoy the game

[meager echo]

Dood, let me tell you something.

Im back to h40 in a day after new tree, only playing pubs.
If anything, this game does not need more nerf.

Average players dont win havoc.

[calm shard]

and they shouldn't

because that's the entire point of Havoc

[meager echo]

Why would you gate keeping havoc.

[calm shard]

God you talk like a Helldiver 2 player

Harder difficulties inherently exist to gatekeep bad players because they are not designed for them

They are meant to give a challenge to people who are better at the game

[willow prairie]

bro probably like back to basic lmao

half the havoc modifier suck shit but whatever

[meager echo]

Oh boy

[calm shard]

You cannot have a high difficulty that average players can consistently succeed at, or that defeats the point

[willow prairie]

they're more annoying than difficult

[calm shard]

Because if average players can succeed then it will not be a challenge for good ones

[meager echo]

Im far from a good player

I dont think h40 is hard

Tbh

[calm shard]

Good players do not have fun on lower difficulties

[willow prairie]

yeah it just a fucking slog

especially after update

[calm shard]

Or well some of them don't

[meager echo]

Its not something to brag about my guy.