veteran-class

[orchid hemlock]

so you are telling me, you never used the shovel special to stun mutants coming in?

[hybrid plover]

i have

i really dont know how me saying that implies i have not done that

[orchid hemlock]

"never use the SP" is just kinda crazy to me

because the specials is one of the shining points of Shovel

you might as well just use the mauls

[hybrid plover]

it's not that i'm saying you shouldn't use it, obviously

i dont know where this is even coming from

it's more that it isn't entirely a completely necessary move to make it work for anything that isn't havoc

that being said, you should still learn to use it of course because it is a useful move.

[orchid hemlock]

I mean you dont "need" to use the CS rev attack and hope to god your teamates kill the cara enemies

but I don't know what hill this trying to die on

Shovel SPs are pretty important to play the shovels optimally, no it isn't "required" but so is 90% of all of the other combos in this game then

When I talk about the combo "complexity" I'm just referring to how many variables of the combos you need to keep track of, like if you need to keep in your head which part of a Light combo you are in with the MK3 Evis or Branx to make sure you keep horde clearing. Or if you need to use multiple attack inputs like the shovel single target combo or the relic blade run attack to push attack

[dapper coyote]

The gang sees a chaos spawn belike

[void dragon]

The wisdom of the Emperor of Mankind, brought you by le moron

[wild vortex]

which of 3 infantry lasguns are actually worth using for Exe Stance + MF?

[hollow ibex]

agri and vraks

colum still kinda garbo

[wild vortex]

lasguns...

[void dragon]

does the mk5 helbore count? (i have tried the infantry lasguns and genuinely dont like any, maybe dislike the mk7 the less)

[hollow ibex]

oh lasguns

yeah don't bother

[hybrid plover]

mk5 is, better now

but i wouldn't recommend it still

[void dragon]

Mk5 helbore feels like a Infantry lasgun it it didnt sucked

[wild vortex]

I am unable to decide on a good weapon to use with Exe Stance + MF

I enjoy Recon Lasgun the most but I feel like it's not suited to maintaining high MF stacks

Helbores feel clunky

[austere mica]

Vigilant

[wild vortex]

which one?

[void dragon]

Helbores def need to have that mod that charges when you are ADSing as part of the base game

[austere mica]

Idk

I just know they got buffed from mid/bad to good

[meager echo]

auric spawn is kinda broken rn.

that is way more special than havoc.

[tall torrent]

I like it

[wild vortex]

Agri VAuto felt good in psykhanium

will give it a shot tomorrow

[dry cloak]

all of them

[hollow ibex]

mk5 the best helbore smh

i unirnically think it's the best rn

outside of havoc at least

[dry cloak]

realistically you can use any helbore

[hybrid plover]

i'll be honest

i dont like it more because it's just not as punchy to me

it doesn't really feel that good to me

[meager echo]

I think the dmg is viable. But not forgiving due to swap speed.

[hollow ibex]

it's so much better than before

and you can take one motion

[meager echo]

If they make body shot dmg higher or buff the swap speed i think it's better than plasma gun due to how ammo efficient it is.

[tame lodge]

Just don't shoot bodies

Or if you do

Crit

[pulsar zephyr]

Headshots only way to do it

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mallrats-stan-lee-stretch-question-gif-19261700

Problem solved

Haha

Ho ho

[distant mural]

One motion is mandatory on vet

[vivid silo]

I personally liked the Agrip (slug) combat shotgun. I was able to 1-shot any non-Crusher/Boss enemy (in Aurics, not Havoc obviously)

[dim escarp]

whats the equivalent of th for vet?

[hybrid plover]

th?

[dim escarp]

thammer

[hybrid plover]

not really

power sword is probably the closest thing with raw damage

[dim escarp]

hmmm

[calm shard]

chainaxe

it's the universal option

basically does the same thing as TH where it is comical overkill for one specific healthtype and a bit shit into everything else

except it's for carapace and flak

rather than unyielding

[remote galleon]

Are you guys actually using the smoke grenade?

[hybrid plover]

smokes are good yeah

[grand perch]

Best option for havoc rn

[hybrid plover]

honestly, I think it depends at least rn

smokes are always good but kraks have actually seen a lot of value with the current modifiers

[pseudo fiber]

Even better with the speed you can throw them now

[umbral scaffold]

whats the diff between scandar and achly power sword ?

[dry cloak]

moveset

[viscid sparrow]

just had a vet call me a "dumb fuck" after we lost a game (he was tunnelvisioned onto our downed ogryn who was extremely surrounded by elites and said the rest of us were "tunnelvisioned and a shit team", and I pointed out that me and the 4th player were killing stuff around him, causing him to call me a "dumb fuck")

[silver patrol]

owned

[viscid sparrow]

which side are you talking about, me or the vet?

[silver patrol]

humanity

[dry cloak]

nah that vets just stupid

[viscid sparrow]

I was also a vet, and spamming kraks at all the ragers and crushers the ogryn was surrounded by...

[dry cloak]

zealot has one good thing. stun grenades

it would probably save you the run

just for the future

usually 4 different classes make better team

[viscid sparrow]

we had a throwing knife zealot, I think... (or a zealot that forgot to use nades, they at least didn't use stun nades...)

[dry cloak]

throwing knives lost theyre value imo

[viscid sparrow]

also, btw, the vet's name was ELRashuns or something like that, and I feel like I have met a stupid and toxic vet with that name before...

[dry cloak]

block him if you are capable of that

in the last mission/s section

[viscid sparrow]

ye, found it and blocked.

I always forget to do that, thx for reminding!

[heavy rover]

Yep. Unless it's encroaching garden or infested armour

[midnight wyvern]

skissue

[slow sky]

The heretics

[umbral scaffold]

which tac axe do you guys prefer?

[hybrid plover]

mk4

[umbral scaffold]

ooooo

reason why?

[hybrid plover]

because the uppercut is really strong

and you can chain it with special

mk7 is typically the more practical option

but the uppercut on mk4 is so good

[umbral scaffold]

i’m guessing head taker bromentum are the ideal blessings?

[hybrid plover]

yes

you also want at least unarmored as one of your perks

i run carapace as the second one

[umbral scaffold]

why unarmoured?

[hybrid plover]

helps hit scab bruiser breakpoint

which in turn makes bromentum better

[umbral scaffold]

mmmm i seeeee

[toxic reef]

on zealot I go decimator bromentum

[stiff glacier]

Whats the worst variant of tacaxe

[hybrid plover]

the one that isn't mk7 or mk4 (i cant remember the actual number)

[umbral scaffold]

or 4 arbitrators

[turbid ibex]

4 ogryn

[umbral scaffold]

this is false
because 4 ogryns with big boom box can literally crash the game

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-eating-ice-eating-meme-ok-gif-22520091

[calm shard]

VII and II are effectively the same weapon

IV is the weirdo

[hybrid plover]

it's the good kind of weird

[surreal rune]

3 17% toughness curios on veteran

life is good

[stiff glacier]

2 21% hp and one 17% toughness for me

[tame lodge]

See?

Ogryn too strong they break the 4th wall and defeat the game itself

Plus Fatshark toned down the detonations to avoid fps drops and crashes

[steel barn]

Sad that they toned down the detonations, it was funny when it was basically a benchmark test

But like I completely understand why and it's for the best that they did

[stiff glacier]

damn it it seems game does not want to save one of my loadouts on each class

like i swap things out, take another loadout, go back to one i edited and now all changes were reverted

[steep flower]

1 hp & 2 toughness curios on vet and you'll be good; there is no other way (unless non-havoc)

[frank basin]

3 charge is crazy

Now tjey nerf down 50s

[meager echo]

Lots of vet in my sv run this.

[dim escarp]

is chainaxe good for crowd control

or only single target

[dry cloak]

its classic fatshark axe. more single target damage for horde clear. horde however is suffcient

worse than chainsword but sufficient

[vivid silo]

You should do the following steps:

1. Make changes to talents
2. Press Esc (or some other key on console) to exit the loadout screen completely before doing ANYTHING else (don't change weapons or anything else). Load out into the Morningstar to be sure.
3. Open loadouts again and change to another loadout or change weapons etc

[tame lodge]

Not the greatest

[steep flower]

On mk4 push att into heavy & repeat - yes

[hollow ibex]

XII's actually quite good at crowd control now

[umbral scaffold]

someone said earlier i should put unarmoured on my tac axe

and i forgot why

[sudden cedar]

Probably because of some bReAkPoInTs

[umbral scaffold]

should i do it

or keep it flak cara

[sudden cedar]

I don't know.

[hybrid plover]

That was me

[umbral scaffold]

yes hello

[hybrid plover]

I usually don't care that much about bps *butj

Tac axe particularly likes when you can one shot something

[hollow ibex]

scab bruiser says hello

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. Those guys

Since their heads are unarmored

[umbral scaffold]

i see i see

should i should do cara unarm?

[hybrid plover]

That's what I've been running

Dreg bruisers aren't as much of an issue

And it helps to have carapace more than ever nowadays

[umbral scaffold]

i was using the tax for a bit, even though it’s not meant for horde clear it still mulches baddies

[hybrid plover]

Taxe is very good at horde clear with bromentum

That's why you want unarmored

[umbral scaffold]

yez

[hybrid plover]

It makes that horde clear much more consistent

[umbral scaffold]

i’m using it with WS

very fun

very powaful

[hybrid plover]

Also, it's the only weapon that you dont need trench fighter for imho

And one of the best melee weapons for builds that don't use ws

[umbral scaffold]

so what, drop trench fighter for serrated?

[hollow ibex]

you should be taking serrated anyway

it's basically mandatory

[hybrid plover]

I'd say take serrated because it attacks so fast that you do actually get value from it

It's the one weapon I'd say you can run both serrated and field improv with

[hollow ibex]

nah just don't take improv

[hybrid plover]

Just cuz 10% attack speed doesn't actually do that much for tac axe specifically

[hybrid plover]

You kinda do have to choose between trench or field improv on this one

[umbral scaffold]

i only take field improv in havoc

outside of that i found it useless

[hollow ibex]

yeah i'd prob take it for havoc, wouldn't outside of havoc

[hybrid plover]

And while I'd go trench with any other weapon, tac axe is a particular case that you can run without it and barely feel a difference

So it basically makes field a "why not" sorta pick

[umbral scaffold]

i can see why you say that

i respect your ideas

[hollow ibex]

i'd rather just put that point elsewhere lol

if i take it off TF

instead of a tax talent

[hybrid plover]

The tree won't really let you play it that way

Since Field Improv also links into Serrated

[hollow ibex]

oh right

i always take TF

[hybrid plover]

And also goes down into CaB

If anything, you could take off serrated but

I wouldn't recommend because tac axe actually likes having it

And it is basically free damage so why not

[steep flower]

Mk3 shovel with it makes unyielding bearable & hordes die quicker; very nutty

[hollow ibex]

i have no idea why light spam serrated mk3 shovel is usable

the damage should be shit

[sudden cedar]

Recommending a weapon that isn't the Dueling Sword? Unthinkable!

[hollow ibex]

the bleed damage actually isn't that much

but yet it's actually not bad lol

[steep flower]

Cause its good; always has been
I like being right when i am

[viscid sparrow]

I use serrated with non-folding shovel, because it kills both types of ragers, muties quicker, and maulers are easier to kill too.

[steep flower]

Natural combo with uncanny on that one; why use push att when you can just l1 spam

[trim badger]

Knife ofc!

[steep flower]

Safer, quicker

[serene sage]

I remember the days when Grenade Tinkerer gave you TWBS for free

[hybrid plover]

Because it's basically two channels of damage and uncanny is abrasively powerful with DoTs

[steep flower]

Uncanny on mk3 tho is not needed; skullcrusher & deci

[hybrid plover]

And also kind-of the same reason power sword works with serrated where bleed ignores cleave distribution so horde clear also becomes more consistent

[hollow ibex]

definitely not always has been lol. i tried it in the past before vet buffs and the light damage was just horrendous

[steep flower]

Even tho PS already kills enough and 2 bleed stacks per hit don’t do that much if anything at all

[hollow ibex]

i tested without frags and the bleed damage was like... 10k or something lol

so not great

i guess the fast attack speed / right side damage juice makes it work

and good cleave

[trim badger]

Vet bleed needs to be reverted back to just 1 stack tho

[hybrid plover]

It doesn't need to be that much bleed damage for it to have an impact

[steep flower]

You build it wrong then; SC & Deci with flak & cara; thats the way
Anything else and ye no wonder you had underperformance

[viscid sparrow]

in terms of blessings I use Uncanny and Deci on non-folding shovel (I use Deci because light spam kills single targets faster with it)

[steep flower]

Ye and make it dogshit as before

[steep flower]

Ye thats the best combo for that one
And deci is picked more for cleave than dmg

[trim badger]

It wasn't bad, it just had 500 tax nodes and forced you to take smokes lol

That's why it was buffed to 2

But now that it's basically free to get

It became too good

If anything just give it the Ogryn treatment

2 on heavy 1 on light

[steep flower]

Would be so ass

[void dragon]

That would much likely kill it since vet rarely uses heavy attacks in a way would benefit bleed

[hybrid plover]

It's particularly good on mainly two things

Power sword with sunder (in havoc)

And knife

[steep flower]

Uncanny & mercy killer

[trim badger]

Mercy killer actually goated blessing rn

[void dragon]

Shovels with their uncanny strike make good use of that bleed

[hybrid plover]

Not even

I use uncanny + flesh tearer

[trim badger]

On vet????

😭

[hybrid plover]

Yep.

[steep flower]

Use mercy killer; you already bleed with serrated

[trim badger]

^

[hybrid plover]

I don't think you realize how significant doing 10 stacks of bleed on one crit is

[trim badger]

With mercy killer you can kill ragers and maulers in the same amount of times you could kill them with duelling sword

[void dragon]

Why be happy with the bleed when you can have more bleed? (answer: because it's rejection of mercy kill supremacy)

[hollow ibex]

i hate deci

never taking it

[steep flower]

Flesh tearer is soo overrated its criminal

[trim badger]

Ok hold on hold on

It's goated on Zealot

It's just bad on Vet now

[dim escarp]

idk abt the chainaxs, light attack sticks to mobs and the heavy attack doesnt unleas u charge it

[hybrid plover]

Have you all actually tried it?

[steep flower]

Its the only thing that makes shovel good vs hordes cause cleave from power; no other way - no wonder you underperformed cause you had no cleave

[hybrid plover]

Like real talk

[steep flower]

[void dragon]

Isn't zealot also bleed capable? Don't they also like mercy killer?

[orchid hemlock]

Bleed BLEED FOR ME

[trim badger]

Yes but they don't have the massive weakspot boost like vet does

[dim escarp]

veteran needs thammer too

[steep flower]

Lacerate is free

[dim escarp]

this is discrimination

[trim badger]

For some reason it takes so much more knife hits to kill stuff with zealot

But on vet it's either 1 or 2 heavies

[void dragon]

Damnit ObeseFish, the zealot was supposed to be the assassins!

[trim badger]

And also zealot relies on crits to trigger that bleeding

[hollow ibex]

8 cleave's not bad, too bad deci is ass

[orchid hemlock]

Lacerate Flesh is the best combo

Trust

[hybrid plover]

Flesh tearer gets good mileage out of vet because serrated will basically guarantee you hitting enough stacks to kill a lot of things in that single hit

[trim badger]

Theorically you can with stealth and the lie

Like*

[steep flower]

If you don’t your shovel is gonna be dog vs hordes; cope with it & you’ll see

[trim badger]

But vet has precision strikes, marksman, so many damage boosts for just existing (skirmisher / agile engagement)

[hybrid plover]

And for bigger targets, because every other hit does bleed, it makes hitting 16 stacks far more consistent

[trim badger]

So vet just takes serrated blade, those talents + mercy killer

[steep flower]

Fight bruisers without & with deci & you’ll see

[trim badger]

And vet knife deals so much dmg xddd

[void dragon]

by the time you stab one ctusher with the invi, Vet already does equivalent damage among many enemies

[hollow ibex]

yea, but mk3 shovel is doing fine without it now

[orchid hemlock]

Uncanny Flesh

Change my mind

[trim badger]

ME WHEN MY CHUD FRIEND TELLS ME TO NOT AIM FOR HEADSHOTS

[hollow ibex]

and SC is great anyway 🤷‍♀️

[hybrid plover]

Ive tried mercy and it doesn't have the horde consistency that flesh does

Like at all

[steep flower]

Was before too
Deci makes it better

[dim escarp]

all the melee weapons for vegetarian are so bogus compared to that dumb ds bruh

i need big thing to kill big things

[steep flower]

Hit body then hit head instead of rolling for crit

[void dragon]

Except the Power sword, that think is as busted if not more

[steep flower]

Its consistant

[trim badger]

But I'm playing Zealot

Crits come for free

[dim escarp]

its not bad but its idk

[void dragon]

Punch body, stab head, shrimple

[trim badger]

Unless book

[void dragon]

It is genuine one of the best weapons in the game

[orchid hemlock]

I'm unironically contemplating using Uncanny Flesh on Crit Zealot

Because doing boss damage is much more important in havoc now 🤔

[dim escarp]

by the time u charge ur ps u already killed them with the ds

[steep flower]

Its not really the hordes you should worry about but elites with them; thats why you take mercy cause you’ll be heavy attacking anyways

[trim badger]

??? What else were you supposed to use on knife zealot anyways?

[hybrid plover]

Those elites die very fast from the bleed too

That's what I mean by horde clear

[orchid hemlock]

Wait what, PS is by far the best melee weapon in the game at the moment

This is some fighting words

[steep flower]

Ye fair but its still a roulette vs guarantee

[trim badger]

Well right because mercy killer doesn't make it better against horde

But against those tanky elites

[dim escarp]

i thought yall moved over to the power knife

[orchid hemlock]

On crit Zealot it's Riposte/Uncanny or Precog/Riposte

[void dragon]

But by the time you fend off the swarm of ragers and bruisers you can watch a year of the DS trying to do the same, all while you killing crushers just as fast

[trim badger]

Presses F once:

[hybrid plover]

That's what I mean. It gives a good balance of both worlds

[orchid hemlock]

Wait there is a power knife????

[hybrid plover]

Single target and horde clear

[dim escarp]

isnt it a knife

[steep flower]

If you use charge that is

[dim escarp]

idk what weapon type falchion is

[void dragon]

Maybe it means the power falchion? Its bad tbh

[hollow ibex]

a falchion

[orchid hemlock]

Falchion is mid

[dim escarp]

wide knife

[hybrid plover]

Mercy only gives you single target competency, even if it's very good single target

[steep flower]

Sword…

[hollow ibex]

falchion is falchion

[dim escarp]

to short

[orchid hemlock]

Because Vet now gets some insane buffs on the bottom right, PS is now a monster of a weapon

[dim escarp]

maybe falchion is knife

[void dragon]

Always was

[orchid hemlock]

Like it's not even close it's soo cringe 😭

[trim badger]

I mean stealth don't use knife anymore (now it's thrust DS/Thammer)

And you wouldn't use a crit reliant build on book either

[hybrid plover]

Bottom right also actively buffs bleed too

[trim badger]

So ofc it's gonna be charge!!

[hollow ibex]

it's literally in the name bro 😭

[steep flower]

You know swords come with different sizes right? Zweihander & shortsword are still swords

[orchid hemlock]

I think old DS was still equal, because nothing in the tree after Desperado helped it that much

[trim badger]

PS always was a monster

[steep flower]

I use Thammer with charge; it feels & plays better

[trim badger]

There's a reason why Vet dealt and still deals more dmg than Zealot in Havoc

[orchid hemlock]

No but like, just getting free damage on melees on it makes it even better

[void dragon]

It was so powerful that didn't needed the perk tree

[trim badger]

Both DS and PS make vet a monster xddd

[dim escarp]

what if a falchion is a space marine knife thats actually a sword for humans

👍

[hybrid plover]

I honestly think knife is better than ds for vet

[void dragon]

Yeah, but I feel this time the Vet perk tree has some guilt on that

[serene bough]

Lol it would be kind of a cool idea if an astartes combat knife was a 2h melee weapon in this game

[steep flower]

Same for catachan knifes for their comandos while being swords for the rest of the populus

[trim badger]

Here bragging my melee weakspot acc

[trim badger]

Nahhhh

See the screenshot I sent

[void dragon]

Very informative, much seal

[trim badger]

See the one with 2m dmg?

That was my vet

[trim badger]

DS beast moment

Like in Havoc, it's undoubtable that the best option is either DS or PS

[hybrid plover]

I've reached numbers like that with knife too

[dim escarp]

which power sword mark do u use for havoc?

[hybrid plover]

Mk6

[void dragon]

Falchion is a sword damnit! Who is this source?

[dim escarp]

gpt

[serene bough]

DS on vet feels like a downgrade compared to PS

[void dragon]

Ah, abominable Intelligence, that makes sense

[hybrid plover]

DS has like

[serene bough]

Unless your intention of using the DS is as a safety stick to kite baddies

[dim escarp]

hey in CSGO theres a knife called the falchion

[hybrid plover]

No horde clear

[trim badger]

DS do be a lot safer and can shred bosses a lot faster than PS

Or, alternatively, DS can reach 1 shot breakpoints a lot better if thrust

[void dragon]

Back in the day there was stupid stuff too, that proves NOTHING!

[serene bough]

Yes but trash horde clear compared to PS

[trim badger]

PS is a lot better at CC

[trim badger]

Of course

[dim escarp]

i just researched it

[trim badger]

PS is a lot more generalist

DS is better against elites/bosses

If your weakspot acc is good ofc

Otherwise PS is better

[serene bough]

Id argue the generalist melee weapon is more favorable in this context for H40

Esp since krak buffs help to deal with single target a lot more now

[trim badger]

Meh, 90% of the time you have a ducker psyker using flame so

[dim escarp]

why cant we get a xenophase blade like space marine 2?

its just a type of power sword gang

[void dragon]

Even abominable intelligence can't agree on simple stuff like this

[dim escarp]

perfect counter balance for DS

[hybrid plover]

Yes. And what happens when that psyker dies and you don't have an actual means of crowd control?

[trim badger]

I like destroying twins and monstrosities in no time

[hybrid plover]

That's why I do not like dueling sword

[trim badger]

Get good and don't get hit by the trash

Ofc

[serene bough]

Im just talking about vet in isolation of other classes

[trim badger]

DS still extremely safe

You'll just kill them slower

Than PS

[serene bough]

Psyker pyrostaff/smite spam makes everything a snoozer in H40

[hybrid plover]

DS is not saving you from being cornered by a h40 horde

[trim badger]

I'd still probably run DS

[trim badger]

It works for me

[dim escarp]

u cant lunge to go faster with PS

[trim badger]

(nowadays I tend to not accept psykers cuz they make the mode boring)

(unless Rotten purple xdd)

[void dragon]

With the mobility it has? It's probably the one weapon saving you from it

[trim badger]

^

[hybrid plover]

Using mobility to constantly kite a horde when things have gone badly already only goes so far.

[trim badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1403828132406100019/almost_no_hit.mp4?ex=68f1f594&is=68f0a414&hm=da0f7ffe4d68ffa333790e5d8deb518c9740e39dc6fa742dd4ddcce8499daba1&

This video was made before the vet rework (megabuff)

DS is a beast

Even without the poke stagger, now you can just parry the attacks easily

And these twins apparently have more HP than they should because of a bug on my mods

The fuck is PS supposed to do here

[dim escarp]

ds just makes the game boring

[trim badger]

Take 5 million more years

[hybrid plover]

I mean that's what the DS is particularly good at

I agree with that.

[trim badger]

I'm trying to say that the "loss" of DS against horde vs PS is barely nothing compared to the loss of everything else PS has compared to DS

[void dragon]

And yet some other weapons on vet aren't that graceful, then it's still nerfs to specific weapons instead to veteran or what?

[trim badger]

Hm?

DS needs nerfs xdd

If anything

[void dragon]

But also to the Psword?

[trim badger]

Now that is a good question

[hybrid plover]

Dueling sword needs a rework across the board rlly

[trim badger]

I would've prefeered if they reworked PS into the PF instead of making PF a new weapon

[dim escarp]

readd the early access ps

[trim badger]

Depends on what you define as rework

[void dragon]

DS robbed the DClaw it's lunch niche and no one cared, not even ObeseFish

[trim badger]

Easiest solution would be just removing uncanny from it, and adding a new "blessing"

That is just fixed rending

Like 30%

[hybrid plover]

Make the single target not as busted while making its horde clear actually competent

[trim badger]

And that's it

[trim badger]

At that point just buff MK2 sweep heavy attack

If anything I think DS should suck against horde and be good against elites

But not insanely good against cara as it is rn

[void dragon]

So any other weapon while being hyper mobility stick?
Imo it should have this power but it's mobility be crippled, it's Dueling sword, not "IM RUNNING FROM MY PROBLEMS" sword

Make it's dodges be quite small, you should be precise with those

Lean into needing parry

[hybrid plover]

Funny cuz knife does actually fulfill this niche depending on how you set it up

[willow prairie]

making anything suck at carapace pretty much kill the weapon in high difficulty

[hybrid plover]

That's why I recommended flesh tearer and not mercy

[willow prairie]

notable example including not ds, relic blade, psword

[dim escarp]

knife heavy attack takes 10 yrs

[void dragon]

Which is why it's the N°2 strongest weapon, and probably needs a weakness niche too

[willow prairie]

yeah you don't do knife heavy attack for dps

you spam push attack

[void dragon]

Or special light heavy

[trim badger]

I feel sad using DS because it's my fav weapon but it's so OP

[hybrid plover]

You do knife heavies to cleave through hordes and spread bleed stacks

[willow prairie]

it's slower than pa spam

[hybrid plover]

Not dps

[dim escarp]

i mean single target

[willow prairie]

.

[hybrid plover]

Mk3?

[willow prairie]

both

not like you should use mk3 anyway

since the other one is straight up better

[meager echo]

No way ds is op man. The op one is ps. I don't think ds need a nerf of any kind

[hybrid plover]

Yes it does.

[dim escarp]

u think ppl would use ds without its heavy attack

[void dragon]

Delusional, or liar

[willow prairie]

people literally only use ds for it heavy attack

[void dragon]

But Psword also should be checked

[trim badger]

Parry is stupid and should be removed from DS

[dim escarp]

i know thats why im asking

[trim badger]

Bring back poke but make it not stagger Ogryns nor maulers

[void dragon]

DClaw: I'm not stupid YURRSTUUPID! TT_TT

[meager echo]

No one use it in my sv. It's suck. Dont take my word for it. Switch to hongkong and check h40 lobbies.

[dim escarp]

what if u added a heavy slash after the poke on the ds

[willow prairie]

then what the point of bringing it back lmao

[hybrid plover]

Dueling sword is a weird case where it is extremely overtuned in one regard

[trim badger]

I meant to say parry is stupid for the DS

[willow prairie]

ds is only good at single target anyway

[hybrid plover]

And kind of undertuned in another

[trim badger]

That's not a bad thing

The bad thing is that it doesn't suck enough on what's supposed to be weak

[void dragon]

As it is now, probably
Issue is that DS current state isn't really healthy

[trim badger]

It's supposed to be weak at horde clear but it's not really

The easiest way to nerf MK4 against horde

[hybrid plover]

It's pretty weak at horde clear in havoc tbh

[trim badger]

Is to force push attacks into the combo

[willow prairie]

bro hitting grand total of 1 enemy in havoc and 2 in auric

[dim escarp]

DS current state is good for the game

[trim badger]

Just like VT2 rapier does!!!

[willow prairie]

yes it is weak at horde clear

[meager echo]

Vt2 rapier horde clearing is crazy man.

Especially on whc.

[willow prairie]

that doesn't make sense for a nerf considering the push attack have the highest cleave

[dim escarp]

need more weapons like DS

[hybrid plover]

Annoying how it's gotten to the point where balance talks have become centered around havoc

[willow prairie]

it fine

just ult

[hybrid plover]

Because of the power creep that havoc caused

[willow prairie]

also rapier is fucking op

also play vt2 when

[dim escarp]

like why isnt there a knife with a poke like ds

cmon

[trim badger]

I do still hold the opinion that carapace should be reworked entirely

[hybrid plover]

...

[willow prairie]

yeah that called the mk3

[dim escarp]

no

[willow prairie]

but it suck

[dim escarp]

thats a strikedown

[trim badger]

Rending blessings need to go away

Carapace needs to be nerfed

[willow prairie]

it's a poke

bruh

[dim escarp]

it is?

idk

[hybrid plover]

I mean

[dim escarp]

its not good enough

[trim badger]

Brittleness blessings also need to go away

[hybrid plover]

Mk6 push attack is a poke

[willow prairie]

the closest thing to crusher in vt2 is cw and every weapon can deal with it regardless of armor damage value

[dim escarp]

oh my god bruh

i dont mean a push

[willow prairie]

if you hit weakspot

[dim escarp]

i mean a poke with the knife

[trim badger]

It's almost like they don't have rending / brittleness in VT2 and armor is actually a threat there!!! Wow!!!

[dim escarp]

UK stabbing attack yk

good shit

[trim badger]

Especially Chaos Warriors!!!

[willow prairie]

yeah but every weapon can deal with cw if you hit head

[fair shale]

The chaos warrior when I poke him in the face with my rapier

[trim badger]

Takes like 4 pokes for em to die tho

[dim escarp]

i need knife that can be compact and do the same dmg as ds

[void dragon]

It's probably safe to say that we need a blessings rebalance patch asap, so many are outright busted or on the wrong weapon or some other issue that makes some weapons just terrible and others busted

[dim escarp]

same skillset

[hybrid plover]

Please God no

[fair shale]

Thats not very long for a CW tbf

[dim escarp]

why not

[void dragon]

It started, now they want all to become DS

[dim escarp]

its gonna be less powerful light attack

cause its a knife

[trim badger]

I don't remember the exact number of hits in legend/cata tho

It's probably more tbh

[fair shale]

I dont remember it being excessive

You could also mix in gunshots

[trim badger]

Idk I play versus only nowadays in VT2

:3

[fair shale]

I havent played vt2 in a minute tbh

Did love Saltz rapier tho

[willow prairie]

yeah it was the duelling sword before it was hot

[hybrid plover]

We do not need an even more mobile dueling sword

[willow prairie]

with actually good horde clear

[fair shale]

Its better than DS tbh

[trim badger]

Level 200 in versus... Kill me

[dim escarp]

im talking about a duelling knife, its balanced

u dont see the vision

[fair shale]

Better moveset, attached infinite ammo pistol

[glacial ferry]

need a gun that shoots dueling swords

[willow prairie]

the pistol is ass but it way better moveset yeha

[fair shale]

Crossbow

[willow prairie]

it just extremely fast

on whc also insta kill any human enemy

[hybrid plover]

The vision you're seeing is cooked bro

That shit would be a problem

[fair shale]

Its ass on its own but having free ranged shots that interact with blessings and crits is nice

Having it as an addition to an already great weapon? Amazing

[trim badger]

Reminder that it doesn't include CW, Bulwarks and Flag bearers

[hybrid plover]

Ds4 is already insanely good as is stands even with the lights not being the greatest

[willow prairie]

also 0.25x block cost

[fair shale]

God

I love Saltz tbh

[willow prairie]

yeah because they're not human sized

bruh

[dim escarp]

duelling knife, same heavy attack as DS, same parry, light attack remains the same as the current knife

amazing

[trim badger]

You can fire while blocking

Perfect thing to do against berserkers

[willow prairie]

it still does good anyway because heavy does decent armor damage

[dim escarp]

oh yeah and more dodges

[glacial ferry]

crit headshots on bh could kill most specials in one hit on rapier

[willow prairie]

rapier also can switch between horde and single target fast enough that not having armor damage on light isn't too bad

[glacial ferry]

with the pistol

[hybrid plover]

Ur smoking something crazy rn

[fair shale]

It was beautiful

[meager echo]

I think ds is kinda balance in havoc. High single target dps with 0 horde clearing.
If anything, they should buff other weapons so they can deal with carapace.
If fatshark nerf ds, they just move on to the next best thing vs carapace.

[dim escarp]

im cooking

[fair shale]

BH Saltz was >>>>>>

I love that class

[trim badger]

Calling DS balanced in Havoc means you must think 80% of melee arsenal is weak there

[willow prairie]

yeah I've been saying carapace is the bane of melee weapon balancing

[fair shale]

Immaculate drip too

[willow prairie]

because it fucking is

stop

coping

[trim badger]

^^^^^ so much

[willow prairie]

this is why we can't have nice thing

[trim badger]

I'm not coping

[glacial ferry]

ds needs finesse nerfs and rending needs removed

[trim badger]

I never said it was wrong

[dim escarp]

oh my god bro i just had the greatest idea ever

[meager echo]

Yeah most weapons are too weak for havoc.

[dim escarp]

instead of melee weapons

why not use fists

[trim badger]

Removing rending would be enough

As a start

[glacial ferry]

maybe with the hp buffs but the h40 grey runs tells me otherwise

[dim escarp]

fistfighting nurgleoids, amazing

[trim badger]

If anything cara needs to be reworked entirely

[hybrid plover]

It wouldn't be enough entirely

Because precog exists

Finesse does need to be dumbed down too

[glacial ferry]

unless they implement an actual armor system to the game with healthpoints on limbs there's not really much they can do

[dim escarp]

fatass shark needs to add more melee

[fair shale]

Ive been asking for fist weapons for og for awhile, id kill for a powerfist on vet tho tbh

[trim badger]

VT2 didn't need allthat

[dim escarp]

or power knuckledusters

[glacial ferry]

vt2 had a lot of different things that made cw more scary than crushers

[trim badger]

Literally just 2

[fair shale]

Trynna feel like this guy tbh

[glacial ferry]

faster attacks, more attacks, better tracking, dodges that didn't give i-frames, etc.

[dim escarp]

oh my god we need this

[glacial ferry]

less rending, less crit chance, less damage as well

[dim escarp]

for veteran ONLY

and maybe ogryn

[glacial ferry]

give ogryn one of those steam drill fists

[trim badger]

Remove rending/brittleness in general, or make them basekit to different weapons

Make carapace weaker

80% of issues solved

Then you can adjust the remaining outliers

And happy life

[dim escarp]

what if the next melee weapon is a flashlight so u can see wtf is going on in lights out

[trim badger]

Noob not using servo friend mod

/j

[glacial ferry]

The main problem is that the game's entire balance has shifted away from armor/enemy variety towards spamming blobs of elites and specials

[sudden cedar]

Already exists in game and even without it its doable

[dim escarp]

really

[surreal rune]

its a fun mode but i think it was designed in a phase of the game where weapon customization was planned and expected

[sudden cedar]

I'd say its the other way around

[surreal rune]

so anyone may put a flashlight on a gun

[sudden cedar]

You are a noob if you do use it

[glacial ferry]

you could remove those things and make carapace weaker but kinda doesn't resolve the issue that aoe spam just becomes slightly better in that case

[sudden cedar]

Because you can't do it without

[trim badger]

Infinite cleave also needs to be adressed true

If anything flamestaff is 90% of the issues

[dim escarp]

well i want a flashlight on my melee weapon idk

[glacial ferry]

psyker is 90% of issues

[trim badger]

Zealot flamer is still limited and only pops off because of rending

[sudden cedar]

Zealot flamer is made obsolete by a Purgatus Psyker

[glacial ferry]

a lot of aoe needs less effective radius/range and/or a cleave limit that doesn't penetrate carapace

then dots themselves needs to have damage nerfs

or a limit to their application in aoe cases

[fair shale]

Ive been convinced to reinstall VT2

[dim escarp]

i think this could balance the game if veterans had it

[fair shale]

No class in DT itches the BH Saltz itch

[dim escarp]

idk tho

[sudden cedar]

A Custodes weapon?

[dim escarp]

noo

[fair shale]

We can get the marine variant if you find that preferable

[dim escarp]

thats obviously the mass produced cadian spear bolter gun spear

[sudden cedar]

Sure...

[glacial ferry]

if bounty hunter was in darktide I'd play the game

[trim badger]

Exe stance Helbore

[void dragon]

Counter argument, I feel Veterans need a fist of the power type

[fair shale]

Absolutely not lol.

[fair shale]

Me when I drink funny purple potion, see a boss, and press F twice

[void dragon]

Helbore sniper appreciators are judging you

[dim escarp]

i agree, a power fist with a bolter under it

[fair shale]

Things legit my least favorite gun in this game

[meager echo]

Are players too strong now? I don't think that is the case in havoc at all for auric maybe.
The current rotation is ridiculous. I don't think average pubs win rate go up after new tree update.

[fair shale]

Also feels nothing like how I like to Saltz tbh

[dim escarp]

maybe a stormbolter.... attached to a sword

[glacial ferry]

hearing "roar mighty duo" into "holy justice" and sweating

[fair shale]

Do you want to see the coolest weapon in warhammer rq

[void dragon]

They do need to make it so you charge shots while in ADS

[dim escarp]

sure

[fair shale]

Alexis Polux had a powerfist with a combi melta attached to it

[sudden cedar]

The tactical rock?

[void dragon]

Glorious

[glacial ferry]

the fun part of bounty hunter is putting parry on your weapon and blocking attacks into shooting your crossbow to apply hunter then pressing f

the fun in exe stance is going into melee bc ranged isn't fun

[void dragon]

That's to peak of a weapon for mortal, non-ogryn hands

[dim escarp]

oh yeahh, now with that we can clear tertium of the rot overnight

[unreal nova]

Problem of balancing based on havoc which is a must with how bs it has become

[fair shale]

Polux gotta be one of my favorite marines ever

[meager echo]

My average h40s are way longer now. Before it usually 25mins now it reach 35 to 40 mins.

[glacial ferry]

players can be too strong and there can be difficulty in the game at the same time

[fair shale]

Tbf I think this is entirely due to this season's rampant rot armor spam with buffed crushers

[glacial ferry]

largely the difficulty is just driven by modifier combos now, auric doesn't have anything that makes enemies more difficult just different enemy spams

[fair shale]

Havocs are a fuckin slog rn

Legit they feel more like a mental endurance check atm

[unreal nova]

Rot+purple or rot+stimms. GL with unkillable tanky bastards.

[glacial ferry]

80% dr that additive with pox gas dr seems hilariously dull lol

[fair shale]

Literally

Its not even fun rn

Its a mental endurance check of how much you're willing to m1 a crusher repeatedly

[trim badger]

That's cuz this season is based on buffing enemies tankyness

[unreal nova]

Throw in fart gas mission for even more undying.

[glacial ferry]

game's difficulty is cakewalk aurics or slug-paced havoc pubs with little to no in-between

[trim badger]

All of the starting 4 mutators this season were resistance Related

Moebian 21st
The Encroaching Garden
Corrupted Stims
Rotten Armor

[fair shale]

Im in a weird flux rn where I can cakewalk maelstroms but I cannot get out of auric 30 atm

[trim badger]

They removed Moebian 21st again, and readded Cranial Corruption

Honestly cranial corruption looks so much better now visually

I see why they wanted to readd that one

[fair shale]

Havoc rn feels like an obligation to find a premade tbh

[trim badger]

Meh I play with randos

Now that I'm 40

[fair shale]

Yeah when you're 40 it doesnt matter

[glacial ferry]

If the patch had anything interesting to me I'd play solo aurics again but not even a new map and I got my solo clear with falchion immediately before I helped some friends get to h34 or something and uninstalled

from what I've seen pubs are not amazing in the big armor mode

[meager echo]

It take way longer to complete the run and people still asking for nerf.
Just make other stuff stronger so everyone has new toys to use.
Why would anyone want to be weak in the game.
If you are looking for the challenge host your own lobbies with like minded friends and use off meta stuff, why making everyone else suffer...

[glacial ferry]

people don't want to be weak it's moreso that to counter the player's strengths the enemy numbers are so high that they were crashing the servers for a week

can't even reconnect into havocs if you play aggressively and dc lol you have to wait for the number of entities to go down

The game just doesn't function in high density either, ai breaks all the time and enemies stop animating correctly, sounds overlap a ton or stop working entirely

but if you rebalanced the game you could still have strong things in context that everything is weaker

[meager echo]

The main reason people play havoc is for the density and bosses spawn.
More stuff to kills is fun.

[glacial ferry]

yeah if the stuff can fight back lol

but if in order to fight back you need 15 crushers with 80% dr covered by flamers and bombers and a twin spawn with healing, it's just a numbers game

[meager echo]

Then they should ask for enemies move sets, not numbers change.

[glacial ferry]

I mean largely why they had yellow and red last havoc was because people kept complaining that you could stagger everything to death

this patch you can still do that they just have infinite health for some time, movesets dont matter

like yeah, enemies need movesets, they also need better stagger res, higher health, more variety, more counterplay, more of anything but density

[meager echo]

Then don't use the weapons that perma stagger the mobs. What so hard about it?
I saw content creator complain about meta being stagnant then hard stuck h35. Even with rumbler + smite spam.

Its a joke man.

[narrow frost]

Imagine if they added another normal board difficulty that was H40 but with no mods (maybe dying light since it's not that bad)

And then they removed havoc

[glacial ferry]

what if you could choose your map and modifiers for havoc

I'd play 1-2-veg havoc 40

[narrow frost]

Never heard of this "choosing mission" sounds like magic

Why do they keep taking a step backwards

Vt2 had a great mission selection system

[glacial ferry]

having options in your experience? sounds like bullshit

[narrow frost]

Darktide though?

Guess we go gamble

[glacial ferry]

what if you could choose your maps and you could play civi twins with stims

[narrow frost]

Egg murdath and I were trying to roll a consignment yard so they could duo it. We did 3 havocs and out of the 9 maps we rolled none rolled it

[glacial ferry]

you kill a crusher that turns into 2 maulers that instant overhead into blue stim

[narrow frost]

Lmao

Blue stims were a mistake

Hmmm yes

[glacial ferry]

I felt like there was a weight system for map generation

[narrow frost]

80% Dr and carapace armor

[glacial ferry]

I rolled that consignment yard map 4 weeks in a row

[narrow frost]

Hmmm yes

There must be

[glacial ferry]

only cleared it with pubs once that entire time lol

[willow prairie]

this is a certified vermintide 2 moment

[narrow frost]

I only get mercantile and power matrix

[willow prairie]

they should add back to basic to havoc fr fr

[narrow frost]

Yes

[glacial ferry]

anyone doing a level 1 grey items havoc 40 run yet

[narrow frost]

Haven't seen it yet

It would be easier to do now since we can select server

[meager echo]

There are more unusable weapons than usable in havoc. Nerfing players power is going to make it worse.

[glacial ferry]

I doubt the first part and I doubt nerfing the strong things will make the first part more true

[willow prairie]

there was a level 1 havoc 40 run

[glacial ferry]

I remember dorn and friends runs back in havoc 1.0

found someone who completed it as a level 1 but their crew looked pretty stacked lol

[meager echo]

Most range weapons are useless in havoc.
After new tree weapons like tac axe completely disappear. I saw no one run it in my sv.

[glacial ferry]

I'm literally watching a streamer play havoc 40 right now with taxe, it looks fine

[meager echo]

Thats not represent the vast majority of players.

[narrow frost]

Taxe is so fun

but its not enough to come back for

[meager echo]

Take a look at h40 lobbies.

[narrow frost]

you get 2 min then a disconnect

[glacial ferry]

I don't think majority of players care enough to try outside of meta tools in the game

watching people take turns dc'ing is hilarious

One person goes, they come back, another person goes lol

[narrow frost]

muscial chairs

[meager echo]

Then why would dev cater the game to the minority. It doesnt make sense right ?

[glacial ferry]

Idk if the majority of players play havoc, the mode you believe things are useless in

like havoc itself is a compromise with a minority of players

[narrow frost]

The average player is in malice-heresy

havoc is not a thought for more then like 50% of players

[meager echo]

If we are talking about auric then no, they are not winning more after patch.

[hollow ibex]

I would consider havoc if it weren’t for party finder and all the other bullshit

[glacial ferry]

I think you're also assuming that if we nerf everything enemy density remains the same and not changed, which it would be changed

[grand perch]

But they're balancing classes around it basically

[narrow frost]

yup

[glacial ferry]

big fish moment

I mean if you play auric and lower there's not really a lot of thought you can have for balance, havoc is the only mode where they're pushing anything whatsoever lol

once that mode came out auric was pretty much dead balance-wise

[meager echo]

Bro i dont think average players look up guide let alone using meta build.

[glacial ferry]

you don't think havoc 40 players don't follow a meta?

bc I can tell you for sure that I notice an uptick in rumblergryn after mr.e's video lol

[narrow frost]

waiter waiter

[meager echo]

He hard stuck h35 for weeks man

[narrow frost]

more bumblers

[faint beacon]

Mainly cause the average player plays psyker and still asks for buffs even though the class nukes everything

[meager echo]

I watch his stream

[glacial ferry]

I'm sure he was, I don't think he's very good either lol

[faint beacon]

Waiter waiter

More purg users please!

[narrow frost]

party finder is 75% psyker, 15% vet, rest is mix

H40 west coast

[meager echo]

He advocated for chorus nerf then guess what? After new tree all he play is rumbler.

[glacial ferry]

what if I played the class that's designed to top damage and fucking die

[narrow frost]

uninstall, play Plants vs Zombies

a better game

[glacial ferry]

have you seen plants vs zombies fusion

[narrow frost]

no

[glacial ferry]

that stuff is wild

[narrow frost]

new game?

[faint beacon]

15% vet

Should be less

[narrow frost]

nerf vet

[glacial ferry]

mod for pvz 1

[fair shale]

I watched some dude play a Chinese pvz mod recently

[narrow frost]

I'm looking at it now

looks cool

[fair shale]

Was brutal

[glacial ferry]

you get to combine your plants and make some disgusting creatures

[narrow frost]

yeah

looks cool

rainbow squash in the back

[glacial ferry]

Occasionally I get recommended a video that is just combining like fusion upon fusion upon fusion

just 100 plants to make a little guy that does everything and he's so cool

[faint beacon]

Exactly

Buff psyker

Nerf vet

[glacial ferry]

give a buff where scrier's applies an aoe stack of soulblaze around psyker and for every stack of DD you get 5% global rending and power boost

it will finally compete with oogryn

[meager echo]

How about, uncapped soul blaze

[glacial ferry]

of course, that's what the aoe is for 🙂

[faint beacon]

Golden toughness

On use

This is what psyker needs

Finally it will be able to compete with the overpowered Veteran class

[glacial ferry]

gold toughness and the cap increases every second

starting from like 55 and increase by 5 per second

[narrow frost]

while in gaze

until death

[faint beacon]

I still think it’s fucking crazy how 4/5 classes I’ll actually notice like

Wow I should be careful in X scenario

And then Psyker is literally just

Press button to kill Spider-Man

[glacial ferry]

you regenerate health based on the amount of damage you dealt while in gaze as well

it's a class that previously was gambling on what oneshots in melee to winning every gamble every time lol

[faint beacon]

https://youtu.be/2lR-f_jx-hI?si=hv23PXtzKNPod2ZL

@narrow frost the psyker experience

[glacial ferry]

shrimply stand still and trauma/burga, or walk up murder with sword, life is fleeting

[meager echo]

Trauma staff is one of the highest apm gameplay ive ever seen in this game.

Constantly weapon swap.

[narrow frost]

you can say that for every weapon

if you want to min max its attack pattern you qq cancel or macro it

[steep flower]

I almost never swap when i use trauma; why would i ever pull out my melee other than to kill a mutant?

[meager echo]

I watched psyker pov while waiting to be rescued. He qq cancel a lot.

[steep flower]

I don’t do that; i respect my fingers & my hardware

[meager echo]

Its very impressive tbh. He actually kiting and doing stuff.

[steep flower]

Like every good player should

[sudden cedar]

Do you expect praise for doing your duty, conscript?

[low gyro]

is my Vet lookin good?

[midnight wyvern]

no

[royal hollow]

He looks like he gets his sandwiches stolen by his coworkers

[low gyro]

Honestly
Thats on line with him.
I head canon that the Rejects share little rooms that hold 4 Rejects at a time, and honestly his rations and corpse starch sandwiches would be robbed more than one time from the shared fridge

[royal hollow]

Have a mediocre day

[charred salmon]

Is duel sword better than knife

[serene bough]

Yeah id say so

[serene bough]

Still not enough maybe just give psyker baseline gold toughness as a node and he'll be finally competitive

Small number like 100 would work

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/modcheck-discord-twitch-spongebob-looking-gif-21451454

[normal pawn]

dude already got his leg stolen, probably does.

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-smol-gif-10548863064729152696

[dense bolt]

'

[sharp epoch]

macro?

[wild vortex]

You can and should do that even without macro tho

[shell python]

so what kinda weapons should you bring as an infiltrate weapons spec build?

[hollow ibex]

Frags

Rashad or psword

Double barrel

[calm shard]

weapons that benefit from the immense short duration damage of infiltrate that come to mind are the tactical axe, combat axe, chainaxe, and power sword

[shell python]

gotcha
and whats the best usage case for infiltrate?

[hollow ibex]

Turning frags into nukes

Otherwise the other ults are just straight up better

[sullen scarab]

Any good Helbore builds? I haven't touched them in like a year lol

Oh wait I see them above

My good friends have already made them here....

[orchid hemlock]

Helbore isn't just a build

It's a lifestyle

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cee53c5-6790-478f-88b0-9e58dcb16bbb/infinite-ammo-glitch?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hybrid plover]

I'm honestly surprised you use cara on mk4 and not maniacs. guaranteeing one shots on specialists like at all times is so good for it

well, except for mutants because mutants fucking suck

[toxic reef]

what blessings do people run on reg bolter with exec stance?

is surgical even worth it

[hybrid plover]

it's between pinning fire and puncture or surgical and puncture for two completely different reasons

i personally prefer pinning fire and puncture because it's just more versatile but

[tame lodge]

I mean

[hybrid plover]

if you're wanting to use bolter as a marksman sorta weapon, surgical is a very good choice for it

[tame lodge]

800 maniacs body shot on Mk4 goes hard

[toxic reef]

yeah I just don't think I care to aim enough to make surgical worth it

I do that on helbore instead

is it carapace unyielding or do I just go like flak maniac

[hybrid plover]

it do, but it can go ever harder

[hybrid plover]

i wouldn't really recommend carapace for bolter

moreso because with the ammo change, you kinda dont want to try and make it a means to deal with them

i run flak unyielding personally

[toxic reef]

ye it's just what I have for backup bolters on like zealot

I'll try that, ty

[hybrid plover]

maniac is a little overkill honestly

cuz pinning fire stacks will often make you one shot the vast majority of them anyway

[toxic reef]

ye I just didn't know if there was any meaningful breakpoint

[hollow ibex]

It can help with breakpoints though

[hybrid plover]

actually

you know what

[sullen scarab]

Thank you.....

[hybrid plover]

i guess given there is a particular enemy recently that it does actually help with

[toxic reef]

true

[hybrid plover]

it's really up to preference at that point.

[toxic reef]

well I'll try with flak now

[hybrid plover]

cuz plasma gunners

and scab ragers if you just want to unload on a horde of em

[sullen scarab]

I know the build is good when it has Skirmisher on it

[hybrid plover]

people who say skirmisher isn't good on ranged builds

do not heed their lies

they do not know the chacha slide

[sullen scarab]

Yes

I still love how sliding in this game is a thing like imagine being a cultist and shitting your pants when a veteran comes sliding up a staircase with a gun

[hybrid plover]

i like, instinctively dodge slide at this point

because of skirmisher

[sullen scarab]

Yes

[hybrid plover]

and it's spread to my other classes too now

[sullen scarab]

Walking normally is forbidden

[tame lodge]

"Heard those atomans could slide up stairs, BOTH WAYS"

[hybrid plover]

Rejects really are just built different.

[sullen scarab]

Imagine seeing an Ogryn slide up the stairs with a poop shovel

Bro I would be out

[hybrid plover]

why imagine it

when it actually happens

you, yes you

can be that ogryn chacha sliding up the archivum sycorax staircase

[sullen scarab]

Absolutely true

[hybrid plover]

do it with the cleavers

it's so goofy

[sullen scarab]

Laoal

I like doing the slide animation with the bolt pistol because you always walk at their weird angle with it

[hybrid plover]

it feels so gung ho

[sullen scarab]

Where your upper torso is locked into the firing stance

Yes LOL

Proper marksman stance, point gun from hip vaguely at enemy

Slide up stairs

[hybrid plover]

you all are playing Darktide

I'm playing Trepang2 with this dumb pistol

[sullen scarab]

LOL

[hybrid plover]

I'm honestly glad

That bistol actually did get some genuine help with the rework

Because it's now actually viable as a side arm and not as a blessing stick

That being said

Lethal Prox with Kraks?

That little bit of radius increase actually makes a difference in chokepoints

[stuck gorge]

I love how sliding off a ledge flings you, just inagining a cultist seeing a reject in the distance only for them to suddenly start flying at Mach 5 towards them

[hybrid plover]

This is so abusable with knife

And it just feels cool

[hollow ibex]

It still feels so ass tbh

Can’t body shot trappers without crit 😭

[hybrid plover]

Weapon spec

Become the gunslinger you were meant to be

[hollow ibex]

Yeah not a huge fan of being dependent on that

If you need consecutive shots for example

Ngl I think Agri CS is the better handcannon

Super fast draw

High damage single shot

Massive tube

[hybrid plover]

I mean I think it is too

Bistol aint

the best

but it's actually way more usable than it used to be

[ancient path]

1. i hate trappers

2. jesus fucking christ can i report people for throwing

outside of my lexmate

how are you doing this poorly in auric

outside of like--- griefing

[hybrid plover]

probably new

[ancient path]

its auric..........

[hybrid plover]

yeah

[ancient path]

you have to do so many matches to get into auric

AND they were playing shout with dueling sword (stephen)

[hybrid plover]

yep

[hollow ibex]

I genuinely think it’s more or less in the same place it was before: stat stick that is carried by WS 😭

Painful

[void dragon]

someone have builds for each of the Helbore mks?

[ancient path]

wound curios btw!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am not good at darktide and i usually dont care

but what the fuck

i'm popping castigator's stance to revive people

[hybrid plover]

yeah i'm genuinely going to assume this person is very new and might have actually been let into the game by somebody

[ancient path]

has to be.

i was curious on if he was throwing because he asked if anyone wants to do havoc and no one responded

maybe he let his little cousin play

STILL an asshole thing to do

[hybrid plover]

okay the havoc thing is funny actually

[ancient path]

my dude i dont even want to play UPRISING with you

[toxic reef]

may I introduce to you even more dead weight

[hybrid plover]

their highest stat is stagger

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombay-hara-kiri-gif-11022966

[toxic reef]

smyker lel

[hybrid plover]

dont tell me...

oh hell nah