veteran-class

[frigid shuttle]

that's just practice

[tall torrent]

the top performing weapons all need pretty major nerfs tbh

[frigid shuttle]

how strong is the controller aimassist?

[hybrid plover]

i have a suggestion for those who don't feel too comfy with ranged

toggle ads

[frigid shuttle]

feck off, thanks

[tall torrent]

and I do think those top performers can all be nerfed without being made useless

[tall torrent]

wat

[vestal olive]

especially when i had blitz bound to a thumb mouse button so putting pressure on the left side of the mouse made me shank my shots 60% of the time.... didnt take me long to realize i needed to change my controls for zealot...

[dark surge]

really cant aim much with my game runs at 20 fps regularly

[foggy rune]

Buff the mk 4 chain axe 🗣️

[frigid shuttle]

if you want to make the game harder for yourself, don't use "top performing weapons"

play with other people who don't want to play with "top performing weapons"

[tall torrent]

are u one of those "buff only" people

[hybrid plover]

ah yeah, everyone just has that choice to

not do that

[ivory trail]

I just miss 3 on a shotgunner 3m away

[willow prairie]

strong enough to make you miss headshot because it gravitates toward body

[hybrid plover]

like i don't get what you're saying here

[tall torrent]

like, I'm pretty radical on the side of "most things need buffs" but I still think the top performers need to brought down a bit

[willow prairie]

my biggest pet peeves with the tides game is that there no way to have mixed input

if i play on my deck sure as shit i am not hitting anything ranged

[frigid shuttle]

Most weapons have either a damage of a wet noodle or a moveset that I loathe (without mods).

[foggy rune]

Just use a rock

[tall torrent]

yea and most of them should be made better

[frigid shuttle]

And it's not like nerfing would solve the 0.1% sweats issue of content being too easy.

[hybrid plover]

most of them should be made better

[meager echo]

I think he has a point tho. It's not that deep.
Like in elden ring the game has the auto win weapons and the high effort weapons.
It is that way so everyone can have fun regardless of skill level.

[hybrid plover]

but the top performers should also be leveled out as well

[foggy rune]

Nerf inferno staff

[vestal olive]

you dont queue up in elden ring though

[frigid shuttle]

nightreign...

[hybrid plover]

Some of them are legit so powerful that it actually does affect the game for other people

For example.

Rumbler ogryn.

[tall torrent]

there's a difference between nerfing top performers because I want difficulty, and nerfing top performers and buffing other weapons at the same time so that there's more variety

[dark surge]

😭

give this shit an enemy cap

please

[frigid shuttle]

Inferno is too good, can agree too that.

[dark surge]

even in vermintide the flamestorm had a 50 enemy cap that got dropped to 12 in tbt and it still does top dps

[frigid shuttle]

But it's due to infinite cleave.

[vestal olive]

idea: make the ammo modifier on havoc likewise put a cap on peril

75% reduced ammo -> peril is capped at 25% (you will explode at 25%)

:^)

[hybrid plover]

Like of course there needs to be those particular things that can allow a player to pick up the game and rock with it.

But those things shouldn't be able to adversely affect the game for everyone else.

[meager echo]

I also think you are right. Top performer are way too strong right now. It's bad for the game because the dev try to balance the game around them.

[hybrid plover]

It is a genuinely complicated issue that affects many games. Not just Darktide.

[foggy rune]

Does havoc also change toughness or is that just a modifier?

[frigid shuttle]

I also don't think that you should balance around top1% playerbase, it kills casuals.

[hybrid plover]

toughness nerf and no grace period

[vestal olive]

In all seriousness, I think if ammo is going to get shafted, staff should be affected in some way

[ivory trail]

Also is that it don't make much sense to make things perfectly balance in a coop game as we aren't competing. As long as it isn't breaking others experience it should be left alone

[foggy rune]

Make the smite staff better too

[tall torrent]

I'm not asking for perfect balance just a smaller discrepancy between the top performers and the rest

[frigid shuttle]

it's all fantasy anyway, has never delivered on balance

[tall torrent]

preferably by tuning down the top performers so they're less op and buffing the rest so they actually stand close to the top

[vestal olive]

I don't think the discrepancy is that much of an issue. I do generally agree with "play worse stuff in aurics then"

But the reason havoc 40s are so ass is because the top builds are too powerful for the game to handle without doing completely ass shit like pink crusher packs and stimmed boys never dying

[ivory trail]

Buffing the bottom is the best way imo

[eternal venture]

(Buff Infil!)

[tall torrent]

if u buff the bottom towards the current top performers as a standard then u giga power creep the game again

[eternal venture]

Thing is, even if Infil does get buffed

It's still VoC or bust in most cases (see: Exe Stance)

[foggy rune]

Me and this one guy spent a whole minute in a melee fight with a single stimmed bulwark

[vestal olive]

buff bottom (slightly), nerf top slightly, nerf high level havoc in accordance

[tall torrent]

nah most weapons need pretty sizeable buffs

[foggy rune]

Does that include my mk 4 chain axe asking for my beloved?

[vestal olive]

But not so much that they are close to equal

discrepancy isnt bad

[tall torrent]

yea I think that can use some buffs

[foggy rune]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[tall torrent]

it's pretty close to being perfectly balanced imo
perfect balance to me is where it's good enough on its own and can get rly strong given u specifically build for it
but also that specific build should have tradeoffs elsewhere

should be like, it works well at a baseline then u can make it "op" given enough investment (that also have opportunity costs)

[foggy rune]

Brb Going to make a chainaxe stealth build

[tall torrent]

so u end up with more builds that are op in diff ways

cuz at this point there's no going back from power creep

u might as well make power creep more interesting

[vestal olive]

I think if FS grabs their collective nuts they could do it

they wont though cause it'd piss so many people off even if they did it right

(it being "go back from power creep")

[tall torrent]

chainaxe 4 specifically
I think if the saw-rip atks ticked faster, and heavy sweeping atks had good cleave dmg with no CDDC & slightly faster chain time, it'd be basically perfect

I also don't think it's hard to nerf top performers without making them useless

cleave blessings in general should be less value

[eternal venture]

You could even nerf gold toughness by making it just heavily reduce the damage you take from the next hit

Instead of preventing it from breaking toughness entirely

That way, it'd still be very strong at preventing overhead/sniper/burster deaths

without making it the absolute best at the job

[tall torrent]

my idea for D&H nerf was to make that node increase the ability's CD and have the gold toughness be a lower value with a shorter duration
on top of CDR nerf

so that the gold toughness state is deactivated easily from taking dmg even when it's up
and it's up less often

[eternal venture]

Hmm that's a neat idea

[tall torrent]

this is less code-intensive than reworking gold toughness' entire mechanic

so easier to execute

[eternal venture]

Yeah

Gotta keep in mind that making things for the devs = more likely to pass

[tall torrent]

well it didn't lol

99% sure most playtesters don't like me

[eternal venture]

[vestal olive]

Being able to get back into gold toughness feels egregious to me

after "losing" it

instead of it raising your toughness cap for the duration, I feel like a DOOM style overheal (where you cannot heal back the extra health gained once lost) would make more sense with gold toughness

[eternal venture]

Yeah I've been questioning this since it got added

I thought it was a bug lol

Instead, what gold toughness does is increase your toughness cap and lets you 'overcap' for a duration

very strange

[vestal olive]

Wait that was an addition?

I played on release but i didnt play a lot back then

[eternal venture]

Pretty sure it's been that way since the talent trees were added

[vestal olive]

was gold toughness even a thing at all on release? wait it wasnt was it. there wasnt even alternative abilities right?

(i played < 10 hours on release before quitting because of peformance issues)

[tall torrent]

yea just volley fire

but it was mega op

x0.25 TDR when volley fire is active

[vestal olive]

but ever since gold toughness has existed, I think its behaved this way yeah?

[eternal venture]

Nah

It was added when the talent trees were added

[vestal olive]

One powercreep thing I appreciate greatly is that you dont take damage when you get hit at full toughness (overheads/sniper/box burster exceptions)

I dont know if it was playtesting or release but ive heard that was not always the case

[eternal venture]

Nah I'm pretty sure that's always been a function of gold toughness

It's part of what makes it so strong

I'm predicting that's what will get nerfed

[vestal olive]

no not gold toughness

just regular toughness

[eternal venture]

Ahh

Yeah that is nice

[vestal olive]

in my experience, people rarely bring gold toughness into auric maels which is nice

or bubble. its really fun :D

bubble more common than gold toughness

[wicked patrol]

What melee weapon do you guys run on a vet Bolter build

I typically stick to power sword but it's way too slow to pair with bolter

[hybrid plover]

knoife

tac axe

combat axe

[dapper coyote]

I do like Chainswords ngl

Hehehehehe BRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[wicked patrol]

I've been using the knife again recently, just did in replacement of the dueling sword on my plasma build and yea I really like it

[hybrid plover]

technically dueling sword but i refuse to use it out of principle

[wicked patrol]

Same

I'll use it on psyker and only psyker out of principle

What tac axe and combat axe variants

[hybrid plover]

mk7 is usually the pick for tac axe

but i like mk4 personally

and combat axe

rashad always

like there's no reason to use anything else

[foggy rune]

Hahaha chain go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[wicked patrol]

shock maul any decent?

[foggy rune]

No just use a chain weapon

[hybrid plover]

shock maul just feels more like an arbitrator wepaon honestly

[willow prairie]

how did you know except the fact that all the animation is the exact same

smh

[wicked patrol]

I use crusher and shield w shock maul

[hybrid plover]

and arby being the only class that can cheat skullcrusher out

[willow prairie]

also no it just a worse multi class crusher

[wicked patrol]

Well

Vet doesn't have crusher or else I'd 100% be using it

[frigid shuttle]

Fatshark should just make all weapons available for all classes. ⚖️

[wicked patrol]

Can't wait to use oryn pickaxe on zealot

[dark surge]

only a spoonful

[wicked patrol]

Real

[frigid shuttle]

relic blade ogryn

[meager echo]

1500 lv with havoc lv2 hahaa

[wicked patrol]

My vet is over level 200 and I still haven't touched havoc ngl

Haven't found a group

[hybrid plover]

man knows havoc aint for him

[meager echo]

The hidden master has just come back from his hiatus.

[hybrid plover]

honestly i get it

[hybrid plover]

i go for the pub experience

it is

a rollercoaster

[wicked patrol]

I also am not playing with mods cause this most recent update broke my mod list

So that doesn't help

[frigid shuttle]

most op cheatmods are working

so just cull your list of the chaff

all you need is skitarius, nameplates, spideysense?

or combo tracker if you don't want to go full hax with skitarius

[hybrid plover]

also do remember to update the mod loader

[willow prairie]

I personally don't use spidey but game audio is ultra fucked i kinda get it

[wicked patrol]

Honestly this was probably why I had issues

Also cannot forget the vacuum capsule mod, still works too

[frigid shuttle]

oh, crystalline focus is also peak for the memes.

[dapper coyote]

Go for heresy, you'll get competent teammates without grinding your nutsack off

Uprising or malice? Nah fam, you'll get idiots

[frigid shuttle]

Heresy is harder than auric sometimes

because of the teammates

Team-enemies might be a better term

[dapper coyote]

Lmao

But I'll always get lvl 30 squads instead of 15s

Or 20s

And d i e

Last time i played malice, i got an arbites, i was like ayyy

Until he used his shredder autopistol

To hunt snipers

Yes

He chase snipers

That was on the far ends of the map

With shredder autopistols....

[ivory trail]

On malice you should be able to pull the team even if those are teamemies

Heresy and above is a bit tricky as one mistake your health is gone

[dapper coyote]

I had waaaaayyyy more enjoyment in heresy than the other 2

Suddenly my resources is are piling up (which is nice)

[ivory trail]

I feel that resource don't get better beyond damnation

Not that anyone playing above need more though

[midnight wyvern]

its only increasing the cap with shout no?

not with book

pretty sure if you lose Book gold you can't get it back

[vestal olive]

naw

[slow sky]

teehee

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414807952950558782/1422794039593275493/evil-seal-smile.gif

[austere mica]

Getting too silly

[near plover]

Wait, is the scoreboard a mod or have I just never found the button for it?

[spiral dew]

haven't played vet in a hot minute. Are the pinned guides updated? If not, anybody got a link to post-update talents?

[slow sky]

its a mod

[near plover]

🙁

[midnight wyvern]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[spiral dew]

that just links to the build editor. If that's a 'make your own build' suggestion, that's fine. I've already updated my talents. Just want to check for solid options that's aren't obvious choices

[midnight wyvern]

wot

"anyone got a link to post update talents"

english correctly and you'll get the thing you want

[spiral dew]

optimal post update talent builds, I should have said

however, I referenced the pinned guides, so what I intended should have perhaps been obvious?

[dapper coyote]

"HP Office InkJet Pro 6978"

Epic

[crimson pebble]

unepic perhaps

[dapper coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013

[slow sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414807952950558782/1422794039593275493/evil-seal-smile.gif

[hybrid plover]

skirmisher and exploit weakness are now very strong

[near plover]

Do Tunnel Vision (+10% Stamina on weak spot kill) and Deadshot cancel each other out?

[dry cloak]

if you kill fast enough

[near plover]

TY. Next question: any point to +75% Krak damage? Stock grenades seem to delete anything excluding lords (in psykarium, at least).

[slow sky]

lords?

[primal zealot]

he means lorde

[slow sky]

Kraks dont natively kill crushers on damnation+, with it tho it'll ensure a kill even up to havoc 40
Plus it absolutely juices their boss damage ability, you can easy toss a few and watch a boss vanish

[midnight wyvern]

pretty sure they do like 4000 something damage without it no?

they do 10k ish with so probably in the 6ks actually

but havoc scaling will stop it one shotting, damage node is to keep it 1 tapping lol

helps for spamming on bosses too

[nimble bridge]

what about the game after

[nimble finch]

what's consensus on mk3 bolter?

[toxic reef]

pinning fire goes hard

[tepid otter]

I like it, pretty decent imo

[tame lodge]

New bolter? Pretty meh ngl

[stable socket]

what's the base crit on heavy laspistol? even without a 5% crit perk, it feels pretty ammo efficient with shock trooper

[tame lodge]

15%

[stable socket]

nice! with reciprocity that's a pretty respectable crit rate, i've been trying out the weapon a bunch and it's really grown on me - good ammo economy, almost instant swap, kills gunners and reapers in ~3-5 shots, good boss damage

[tepid otter]

Any hot takes on the Infantry Lasgun, I kinda wish I see it more being used in higher difficulties but I think its kinda meh compared to the other lasguns

[calm shard]

boosts boss damage, and makes them consistent throughout Havoc

[calm shard]

It is at the absolute best estimate of it. A direct downgrade to the Helbore Mk V but with a much better sight

[tame lodge]

I just wish it had thinner circles on the holos

[calm shard]

I'm not even really sure what you would do with the infantry lasgun

Just giving it more damage makes it directly better than Vigilants, or the laspistol

[tame lodge]

Just give it even more ammo

[calm shard]

Since it also has Infernus memes

[tame lodge]

🗣️

[calm shard]

And the fire rate variance on the infantry lasgun between marks feels like the highest variance of any weapon in the game

The IIb and Mk IX infantry lasguns are wildly different weapons

Even the Mk VII has a much different use case than the IIb

[tepid otter]

I just like my lasguns

[worn slate]

Whats the dump stat on the assualt chainaxe? mobility or defence?

[calm shard]

defence is worse

[worn slate]

alright

[serene bough]

has anyone tried covering fire with DB

i wonder if it would insta replenish toughness for allies

[dry cloak]

so ilas just lost its purpose yes?

[serene bough]

ilas hasnt had much relevancy since recon buffs

it was used in havoc 1.0 bc of ghost, but now havoc is armored elite spam so the gun isnt as relevant

[calm shard]

nah even further back when the first helbore buffs happened

[serene bough]

nah, recon and ilas dealt with lighter armored elites & common gunners whereas helbore could handle heavier ones as well

recon doesnt require aim whereas ilas does so its just better in almost all scenarios

idr when the first helbore buffs occured

[undone jungle]

sometimes i worry about my build then i look at my teammates running crit damage

[surreal rune]

bring them down boosts krak damage enough to one shot crushers on auric and above

but taking the extra damage node isnt bad either

[midnight wyvern]

how much damage does a krak do?

[surreal rune]

like

5500 to a crusher without any other boosts

iirc

[midnight wyvern]

so not above auric

crushers have 9750hp in H40, it'd help into somewhere in H20s though

[surreal rune]

ah right

[final locust]

anything new worth noting?

[final locust]

thats a lot of horsepower bro

[surreal rune]

the 75% is needed then

[midnight wyvern]

wonder if that boosts against pogryn

imma test

[surreal rune]

its unyielding and monstrosity damage iirc

[midnight wyvern]

[final locust]

Any new guns for vet?

or outfits

[midnight wyvern]

Bolter and Bolt pistol variants

both mid

[final locust]

damn

they'll never add that hellgun bro

🙁

[surreal rune]

im still waiting for the two handed chainaxe

[final locust]

games fun

but damn fatshark have a habit of not adding stuff people want

took them what a year or 2 to add a 2 handed power sword

[surreal rune]

sometimes it feels as though they forget about the game for 6 months

thats their usual schedule of expansive updates

[midnight wyvern]

4800

[surreal rune]

oh

[midnight wyvern]

2 of them with no buffs doesn't kill a H40 crusher

[tame lodge]

Fun fact
Vet needed more melee weapons
Fatshark added the Power Falchion
Vet STILL needs more melee weapons

That's the quality of weapons nowadays I guess

Back in my day

We'd get Pickaxe levels of swag

(ignore that shock maul was released at the same time)

[ivory trail]

I want my vet to have a gun that shoot knife

Extra meleeeeeeee

[tame lodge]

"Guns don't hurt people, butt stock of the gun that hurts people, we should invent a weapon that shoots butt stocks, write that down"

[grand perch]

Variable damage setting

More damage+ rending = more ammo used

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah
Inverse fall off still a thing on it

[grand perch]

That too

[faint beacon]

Falchion being so painfully mediocre

Upsets me to no ends

[final locust]

fatshark are allergic to adding stuff people want

instead they add rogue trader outfits rather than more cool weapons

[dry cloak]

i does its job good

[dry cloak]

if fatshark did that darktide would cease to exist a become something that aint a tide game

[surreal rune]

there still is a content drought

[dry cloak]

how so?

we got big update next in late november or december

yes i would want to new maps and stuff

but with fatshark just lower your expectations

most updates are happy suprise for me since i dont expect much

[fair shale]

I think the issue with any vet melee is that if you add something that isnt the PS levels of stupid no one will use it, but if you do add something that's PS levels of stupid vet now has two of the best melees in game.

And frankly I dont think we need 2 powerswords

[surreal rune]

it took them very long to give out the skill tree rework

[dry cloak]

yes. ogryn needed it first

now we got 3 in one update

[surreal rune]

yes

it is in a more playable spot

which is rather refreshing

[faint beacon]

I’d say barely seeing it manages to scrape by in a lot of things but absolutely folds in a very important thing veteran needs which is reliable stagger against ragers

[surreal rune]

but it feels as though more changes must come

[dry cloak]

shockmaul with falter

[dry cloak]

such as?

[faint beacon]

I could just use Tac axe and get 5x the benefit

Lmao

[surreal rune]

it is a lot to talk about

weapons need more buffs or changes

[dry cloak]

i have great success with shockmaul.

[dry cloak]

buffs? not exactly but changes yes

[fair shale]

Shock Maul(vet) feels safe tbh

Kinda like alt shovel

[dry cloak]

I want to hear what would you change

[tame lodge]

So Fatshark is a coward

They either

Get some courage juice

And nerf Psword

Or fuck it

[fair shale]

Make everything busted

Yeah

[tame lodge]

All Psword levels

[faint beacon]

I think it needs to be a mix tbh

Cause a PS nerf is absolutely due

[fair shale]

Nah I'm okay with some stuff being stronger and some stuff being weaker

[tame lodge]

It could but Fatshark ain't doing that

[faint beacon]

However small tweaks to the Falchion are needed

[fair shale]

PS just defo stands tall on the power chart

[faint beacon]

Imagine a powered sword right

That sucks against armor

Fucking what

Like you needing RS to make Falchion actually work

?????

[tame lodge]

A power weapon

Made for cutting metal

Sucking against armor

Oh what a crime

[faint beacon]

Hence I call the thing painfully mediocre

It literally just needs the smallest changes and it’s actually in a great spot

That and the PAs not staggering ragers is a fucking crime

[hollow ibex]

honestly i think the horde clear is an even bigger issue than power falch's single target damage

[faint beacon]

I think it’s clear is like moderately acceptable

Mixed clear is its issue

Actual normal horde it’s amazing

Which again just falls to the underlying issue it sucks against elites

[hollow ibex]

i think it's ok powered on

but once you lose power, it becomes a real shitshow

[tame lodge]

Powered Overhead being able to kill to groaners

But the sweep won't

[hollow ibex]

bros learned nothing from power sword design

[faint beacon]

It’s either they have to overall juice it’s damage or give it damage blessings

The joke is this won’t happen

And we’ll have this mediocre power weapon for ages

[tame lodge]

And people will shill for it

"it's not bad"

"it does its job"

"You have to hit heads"

"it's fun"

[dry cloak]

I have fun with it. Does not mean its very good. Look8ng at devil clae

[hollow ibex]

yeah power falch is fun

i use it

but boy do i wished it was better

[faint beacon]

My biggest bandaid fix is literally

Just give it better stagger values

Minimum PA staggers ragers

That’s all

Please

It has no fucking safety against rager packs

[tame lodge]

Fucking

Illisi powered stagger ragers

[faint beacon]

PF doesnt :)

Cause fuck you

Ironically enough that stagger bug was like peak PF

gets fixed

[atomic void]

surely there's more useable melees on vet now that u can deal mucho damagio in melee

[faint beacon]

Becomes abysmal dogshit

[faint beacon]

Veteran melee is risky hence you have to be careful with your melee choices

If you can’t get ragers off you

You’re going to die

End of story

[atomic void]

its shovel time

i unironically like the folded shovel idk if that's considerd good or not

its so fun

[faint beacon]

Mediocre

Not painfully mediocre like PF

I’m just genuinely torn on how painfully mediocre the Falchion is cause I genuinely love how it feels but it’s not like Tac Axe where it’s like

Oh yeah it has a draw back

But it can help you out in bad scenarios

No it’s just ass

Lmao

Also the fact it needs Rending Strikes is a crime

[azure narwhal]

Is the PF painfully mediocre at ragers though? Not praising it per say, but i wouldn't say it's that horrible. Been running Mk I with WS, cranial and wrath. It's pretty mid vs crushers but i've never felt bad vs ragers. Took it to auric maels yesterday and it felt fine

Like a uh

Walmart relic blade

Or

Down syndrome power sword

It does look damned good tho

[steel lagoon]

Would feel better with maybe a 5% boost to melee speed. Feels slow without Trench Fighter but maybe that's because my post-update zealot has so much melee haste.

[azure narwhal]

Id say that yes

I cannot deny

That i am relying on trench fighter and WS for my Mk I to work well

[midnight wyvern]

nah buff PS

PS weak

has to 2 shot crushers

smh

[steel lagoon]

3 lights to kill a crusher is too many!

actually, how many is it now their hp got buffed?

[midnight wyvern]

2

hits

no idea how many lights

cuz why light when stab

[surreal rune]

the poor mobility, constantly having to power up and any stun knocks you out of it, the terrible unpowered mode

[steel lagoon]

It's 4 lights with zero investment in melee talents on auric (tested in psyk)

[midnight wyvern]

[faint beacon]

Ironically the rework

To right side

Made unpowered good against horde

Not mixed but normal horde

[midnight wyvern]

unpowered PS only H40

[steel lagoon]

I've noticed my shovel became much more efficient vs horde. Skullcrusher/uncanny and then the bleed does the real damage

[faint beacon]

Usually when they pile in packs you need something to stagger them to get them off you

PF lacks that

Which is like a huge kill for a melee with vet

[surreal rune]

bleed actually helps a lot of options which were worse at hordes now

[faint beacon]

Seeing ragers are an Achilles heel

[surreal rune]

also, mercy killer combat blade is actually viable

[midnight wyvern]

give PF DS jab

[atomic void]

simply have your relic blade zealot kill the ragers haha

[azure narwhal]

I feel i pick em out fast enough and keep enough distance for chain stagger to very rarely happen but i see your point. Vet is backed up by VoC stagger and shredders in such cases, though this is situational.

It's kinda like getting cut and saying it's fine because you got bandage and disinfectant on you. Do you though

[faint beacon]

Yeah running Exe stance with like Kraks or Smokes make you realize real quick this weapon is not freedom of choice at all

And minimum could at least use a stagger buff on push attacks solely to supplement a get off me tool against ragers

• it uses stamina

It’s not too much to ask

[azure narwhal]

Totally. I don't know how this keeps happening to us tbh. Very odd choices, with power sword being as it is

It's literally the pipe water meme

Starving and getting fed

I LOVE my evisc zealot buy boy do i eat shit and train hard to play him well

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[faint beacon]

Rule #1 of Darktide

Never trust your teammates

[red robin]

Rule #2
but always be a trustworthy teammate that plays for the team

[hollow ibex]

nah

[red robin]

It saddens me to see players who are oblivious to seeing me in a net, but as soon I as I see them netted I drop everything to help them

[hollow ibex]

some teams don't deserve me playing for them

[red robin]

Ngl that’s where skill and game knowledge can shine the most

Conscientiousness is the true display of skill in most facets of life

But to be honest, if someone frequently puts themselves in a bad situation, and by extension the whole team, then yeah I agree they don’t deserve your effort

[hollow ibex]

yeah i'll default to being a teamplayer

but some teams just don't want me to do that

[dapper coyote]

Is infurnus good?

[surreal rune]

the blessing?

yeah

[foggy rune]

I just didn't want to be rude and interrupt you and your friend

[hollow ibex]

as long as you're not using it on helbore or ilas lol

good on laspis or recon las

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/wonder-of-true-wonder-of-u-true-truth-jojolion-gif-7634183602041154400

[foggy rune]

I won't always be there to save but the least I can do is hand you a grenade to clean you up

[elder vessel]

https://youtu.be/VdlpWj7inSk?si=U3U8fF63kMtK3ue5

The Peak about the Peak just dropped

[mystic dragon]

is brutal momentum still the go to blessing on power sword or does sunder over take it now w/ all the armor/buffs?

[elder vessel]

no its power cycler, if you have that you're good

[red robin]

Yfw

[mystic dragon]

I knew about power cycler. That's why I didn't mention it. I should have specified the second blessing.

[hollow ibex]

sunder is the better choice now

for the second slot

[mystic dragon]

ty

[tall torrent]

I think it needs a lot more than that

[dapper coyote]

I just played a match where a bot managed to clutch the game

We were in the end of carnival 1. Waiting of valk to arrive

I was down, someone got netted

Another one was down

And the last guy got dogged

The netted guy quit

And the bot freed himself

And rescued the dogged ogryn

Prompt rescuing me

And eventually the whole team

If that guy didn't quit, we would have got wiped at the end of the carnival

10/10 Emperor's chosen came to rescue and clutch the match

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

AI bot was like

[dapper coyote]

Yep, mf just popped from the stratosphere and saved our arses from getting nurgle's whooping

[hollow ibex]

sounds like the true mvp is the quitter

[paper salmon]

Did Executioner Stance always proc Focus target? Or is that a new interaction?

[stuck gorge]

wdym by that

did you have a game with a vet who has ping bound to m1

[paper salmon]

Or is it just a visual bug? Becuase the Focus Target stacks are building in my UI

No I'm in the training area.

[mortal aspen]

why would they not be building up?

that's just how the ability works

[paper salmon]

Oh wait, I thought the stacks built WHILE tagged. Not the other way around.

Blunt Brain moment

[stuck gorge]

you build up stacks and spend em all at once when you ping

lol

[toxic reef]

I'm bad at using focus target

I either forget I have it or simply tag stuff for visibility

[stuck gorge]

i only really ping when i cant kill it myself lol

[paper salmon]

Man, now I'm imagining how cool it would be if you COULD use Executioner Stance to mass apply focus target

[stuck gorge]

the day we get keystone / ability synergy...

(we just revert back to whc with vets using focus target + VoC for focus target against literally everything in a 9m radius)

[toxic reef]

I need to remember to install that mod that mutes ping sounds in case I get a serial pinger

[paper salmon]

Unless the synergy is something like "Ex-Stance counts as marking the targets" or something similar

[stuck gorge]

woe m1 ping be upon ye

[toxic reef]

I got one the other day and it's so bad with darktide's audio stacking

[mortal aspen]

does he know?

you can apply the 20% damage taken debuff to as many targets as you want simultaneously as WHC

by default

[stuck gorge]

we dont need saltzpyre 2.0 in this game 🥀

take your screaming into bonus damage back

[mortal aspen]

shout giving crit would be cool

[stuck gorge]

VoC subnode that makes it so you have to scream in voicechat to activate it instead of being on cooldown

[slow spade]

VoC should give buffs and 100 piss toughness c:

[spiral dew]

what ranged options are people leaning on these days? Auric+ specifically

Only play vet occasionally, already have optimal plasma, bolt gun, recon las, infantry auto. Wondering what else would be good to build up in the current environment.

[distant plaza]

helboooore

[spiral dew]

really? Cool. Best used with the talents on the left side of the tree?

[distant plaza]

i've been using it with my generalist Shredder/Voc/WS build
but i imagine it could be monstrous with ES+Marksmans Focus

[spiral dew]

gonna search but guessing stability is dump on helbore?

[distant plaza]

yepper

[spiral dew]

anything else worth a look? I enjoyed the autorifle/recon las playstyle

[distant plaza]

bolt pistol?
i suck at it but apparently the double barreled shotgun has potential

[steel veldt]

WS or Focus Target?

Using Bpistol and Knife

on VoC build

[stable socket]

i use a lot of heavy laspistol in h40 - good kill speed on everything except carapace, good boss damage, good ammo economy, and weapon swap is super fast. the downsides are 1) it's semi-auto so you really want the FullAuto mod 2) low cleave so you can't shoot through 30 dudes to kill a special

[surreal rune]

probably focus target for more damage

[steel veldt]

Why use it over Recon if I may ask

[surreal rune]

i believe ws only gives one crit shit to the laspistol?

shot lol

[steel veldt]

wdym

[surreal rune]

also yeah

it needs the full auto mod if you dont want carpel tunnel

[stable socket]

i tested in psykhanium and laspistol kills bosses faster than recon

[steel veldt]

how

[stable socket]

at least, with my build

[steel veldt]

it deals less damage, no?

and has less RoF

[surreal rune]

how would you build a laspistol

[stable socket]

i think the unyielding damage multiplier is higher

[surreal rune]

dump stat, refinements, blessings

[stable socket]

the exact same way you build recon lol

[tall torrent]

very high crit-weakspot vs unyielding

[steel veldt]

I see

fair

[stable socket]

dum dum + infernus, flak + unyielding, take reciprocity on the talent tree

[spiral dew]

presuming las pistol is still not great vs carapace?

[stable socket]

it suuuuuucks vs carapace

[steel veldt]

That's why we got the Catachan Combat Blade™

[tall torrent]

yea
ranged anti-carapace in general are meh

it's an armor type meant mainly for u to melee

[stable socket]

especially with rotten armor

[steel veldt]

Bolt weapons and Revolvers seem to kill them fast though, no?

[stable socket]

having to shoot through 40,000 carapace hp of rotten armor h40 crusher is just not feasible

[tall torrent]

ammo

[steel veldt]

I see I see

I still like shooting my bolt pistol at Crushers though

it's great fun

[stable socket]

if you don't have mods, laspistol is an F tier weapon because you have to click once for each shot

[steel veldt]

why?

Ah

yeah fair

[stable socket]

fullauto lets it shoot for as long as you hold down the button

[steel veldt]

I got that ye

arthritis simulator

[spiral dew]

issat why people are recommending unyielding/carapace on the falchion?

[tall torrent]

partly
the other half of the reason is that it doesn't get that much value from flak or maniac

[spiral dew]

on the subject of falchion, virtues of Energy Leakage vs Wrath? Does energy leakage still function while the weapon is on lockout?

[tall torrent]

yes, decays as heat drops

[steel veldt]

So I assume laspistol has way higher crit which makes it viable when you consider the humble recon one?

[distant plaza]

according to the HotE guide the heavy laspistol has a bonus +15% crit chance

[tall torrent]

innate +15% ranged crit chance
vet has 10% base

[steel veldt]

ooo

[tall torrent]

so u on avg crit once every 4 shots

then reciprocity stacks

up to 50% crit chance at max reciprocity stacks

[void dragon]

after trying the Zealot class for a while, i feel that it is still feels clunky to fight with it compared to basically everyone else, probably for how i was using Thammer, crusher and Evis most of the time, but the lack of buffs to the ranged side of its combat kinda hurts, dont love how pretty much have to double tap to kill something, all while its melee doesnt feel much stronger. Also, doesnt feel that it has many utility tools, the Blizes strike me as useful but never enough, Is this the Zealot experience even with the rework? feels that there are ways to tweak some melee weapons in the perks but the class weaponry doesnt feel there.

[stable socket]

i think it's mostly cuz of the scab health buffs

[tall torrent]

U deserve:

[stable socket]

so even though zealot got more melee power in the tree, enemies are also tankier

[steel veldt]

The humble Relic Blade

[void dragon]

cool indeed

so the class is a Boss shanker

[steel veldt]

Only with Shroudfield*

[tall torrent]

Shroudfield is

[stable socket]

imagine this with full stack marty

and thrust thammer

[tall torrent]

The biggest diff between vet and zealot melee is that

Vet gets both +damage and +crit
Zealot is usually either/or but not both

[void dragon]

honestly from how one dimensional the class can be i would expect to pull better numbers but at every corner i manage much better with others

[spiral dew]

It's a fun gimmick, but I still prefer the overall feel of relic blade

at least hammer is valid and usable now, esp with martyr

[void dragon]

either have means to solve a situation or brute force mutliple bad scenarios

zealot just feels there while the ocasional "oops i stole your boss"

[stable socket]

being able to burst a boss is very nice when you get something like double monster spawn + twins

there's no such thing as "stealing" when there's one boss per player

[void dragon]

i say steal as "Sorry Wolfer, this ass is MINE", more of a joke than a complain

[stable socket]

ah fair

whenever i'm on psyker i just hold block and pray that the zealot can kill rinda karnak before she beats my ass

[void dragon]

but it feels that the class is missing something outside of this nuke style, with Psyker, Veteran or Ogryn i feel im actively doing something, with Zealot i feel im waiting for something

[spiral dew]

have you tried the relic blade with a fotf crit build? I view my role as horde clear and ranged suppression. I try to optimize charged uptime. Get to where the problem is, kill the problem. I don't have a full group for havoc, but it works great in auric, and I usually have lots of orange numbers on scoreboard, unless a flame staff psyker is "stealing" my kills.

(just in terms of measuring performance. I idgaf who's killing as long as the necessary targets are dying fast)

[void dragon]

honestly? for how teams are, im ALWAYS the horde/specialist killer

that's not particularly new

[steel veldt]

that's just being a generalist?

That would be OP

You clear hordes and specialsits

you can't have both

[void dragon]

OP HOW?! everyone should be doing that

[steel veldt]

your specialty is quite literally "killing every type of enemy" lol

If you SPECIALIZED in that

it would be op

[spiral dew]

relic blade fares extremely well vs mixed hordes. knives deal with specialists, bolt gun for monsters and softening up crusher packs

rb is also very 'safe' ime, the cleave is ridiculous

not as safe as crusher, but it actually kills things

[atomic void]

crusher kills things

just use combos

[spiral dew]

the only thing it doesn't deal well with is massed bulwarks, unless someone else opens them up, then you can readily cleave those down quickly too.

[void dragon]

psyker has a lot of AoE to deal with hordes and have tools on staff/blitz/gun to deal with specialists
Veteran is THE specialist original hunter and frags help a lot to make room and clear swarms
Ogryn general cc in melee can manage even the hardest to stagger enemies and can use weapons for anti long range in GG and Hstubbers
Zealot feels that can manage all in a bubble, but outside of it its hard because its ranged prowes is limited and not that buffed like other classes while going melee for them is not always a smart idea

[atomic void]

no real need for ranged builds or buffs tbh, zealot's job is to frontline and blender crowds and make space not by stagger but by mowing down things while having very good DR

[spiral dew]

what's the swing pattern? ttk always feels painfully slow to me

[void dragon]

zealot doesnt frontline tbh, it deals damage, but it doesnt hold a line that well

[atomic void]

its also the easiest class to get used to imo because it's literally just "darktide: basics"

you do

by killing everything before they can do anything

[atomic void]

push attack into light or push attack spam for single target
light into heavy loop for crowds
slaughterer vs skullcrusher for blessings

[spiral dew]

I strongly disagree. Depends on the loadout. Some weapons can easily hold a line and clear tight spaces. Notably crusher and relic blade

[atomic void]

it doesnt 1 shot things but it kills decently enough while keeping u very safe

[mortal aspen]

yeah you can

everybody already does actually

[spiral dew]

I imagine it gets more appealing on havoc?

[mortal aspen]

[atomic void]

this tbh

in aurics and below all classes can do everything lol

[steel veldt]

everyone is good at it

[atomic void]

it doesnt matter

[steel veldt]

but I meant like

specializing in it

[void dragon]

and that's basically all the good weapons of the class, and while it can slow down a horde classes that are dedicated frontlines like ogryn and Arby can STOP it entirely

[steel veldt]

and being hte best at it

[atomic void]

nah zealot makes use of a lot of the melee arsenal simply because u have melee rending on demand

[spiral dew]

nah, they use duelling sword and knife very well still, hammer has reasonable horde clear and very fast unyielding ttk. Some people use tac axe to very good effect, but I don't know how that works

[atomic void]

im doing well with all chain weapons, crusher, rb, knife, hammer ect just fine

idk about havoc but havoc is doodooo

[atomic void]

thammer horde clear is not good sadly

but it has its niche

[spiral dew]

what difficulty are you talking about, so I have a frame of reference

[void dragon]

knife doesnt slow a mixed horde, and the evil toothpick doesnt exist stop trying to gaslight me (have to try Taxe on a crit build, could be interesting)

[void dragon]

mostly Aurics of High intensity but also around Havoc 20

[spiral dew]

different role. Flamer does that job if you've got a knife/duelling sword equipped

[atomic void]

if you're running knife and u wanna deal with mixed horde easily u can simply get a flamer lol

zealot does not have an issue with killing anything

[spiral dew]

Auric? Then you're playing with consistently bad zealots? I dunno

[atomic void]

at the level you're mentioning just grab literally any weapon u like and take a revolver to snipe specials and boom

you're good to go

[void dragon]

im trying to learn the class, and doesnt feel near as good as others i have tried (also rude! im lame at worse, not bad!)

[atomic void]

its just that other classes have ranged and melee builds or hybrids while zealot is le melee class

once u get used to that you're golden tho

like i said the class's gameplay loop is just darktide combat: the basics

u got your melee that functions as a primary and your side arm covers a weakness or certain need

all what u need

nothing super fancy

[void dragon]

i have no issues surviving and killing, it just no other class left me feeling this incomplete, like im missing something in the puzzle (also dont love that the blitzes still havent changed because knife has regeneration and the rest doesnt feel that worth)

[atomic void]

the rest are cool but u just gotta use them wisely basically

[void dragon]

probably this is the thing? i guess is just 0% flashy, 100% effective on what it does

[tall torrent]

if ur used to power sword
then yes almost everything zealot has is comparatively worse

[spiral dew]

knife is a great blitz. Both stun and fire have their place, but knife covers a major weakness and gives you the flexibility to address non-special threats in range/melee slots

stun grenade is slept on, but depends on a good team

[foggy rune]

Man I better be careful when I use these grenade and I just forgot that I had them

[void dragon]

i knew it was better than my beloved Eviserator, but also better than Relic blade? what's going on, is the RB just falchion+?

[spiral dew]

relic blade is very, very good

and easy to use well

just slightly trickier than evisc

but only slightly

[void dragon]

"covers a major weakness" if range is that for the zealot, what's it for the other classes?

[spiral dew]

no, quick swapping to ranged to deal with specialists. Most of the weapons that zealot has to address that are relatively slow to ready. It also eliminates the ready animation for the bolt gun

[tall torrent]

power sword is like at least 2x better than relic blade lol

[spiral dew]

hit 2, q to throw knife, shoot

[stable socket]

knife lets you do 2 specific things: 1) bring flamer and still be able to kill specials at range 2) knife cancel the bolter draw animation so you can pull it out very quickly to kill stuff

[spiral dew]

also instant kill specials on a headshot without swapping from melee. Allows for extremely quick reactions

[void dragon]

ok does Psword needs a nerf? how is that short cirquiting thing doing melee better than Zealot?

[spiral dew]

I don't honestly think psword is better than relic blade

[stable socket]

1. is useful to stack burn on top of soulblaze because it lets you brute force mixed hordes until only carapce is left and 2) is good because you can swap between melee and bolter fast, which lets you kill even more specials quickly

[spiral dew]

having used both, with lots of time on relic. What exactly does psword do better than rb?

[atomic void]

power sword is stupid

[void dragon]

there is so much utility on those on top of their regular power and availability
*stares at other grenades
WHY you cant be like your brother?

[atomic void]

no one can deny that

[stable socket]

and also you get knives back on melee elite/special kills which means your frag bomb ogryn/krak vet can throw even more nades, whereas with the other 2 zealot nades you're competing for grenade boxes

[tall torrent]

yes it can use some nerfs

[atomic void]

it simply has more juiced dmg
and once u get used to turning on its actually easier to operate than rb

u can also cleave carapace

soooo

[spiral dew]

I dunno, rb is dead simple and its activation is a block.

Does psword activation block also?

[atomic void]

i just find it annoying

rb more fun

fun > raw dps

[tall torrent]

Quite literally every metric that matters

[atomic void]

this post was fact checked by true relic bladers

[stable socket]

if only relic blade had sunder...

[atomic void]

so peak

[tall torrent]

sunder in its current state is very unhealthy for the game

[atomic void]

its stupid

carapace is not meant to be cleaved that's the whole point

[tall torrent]

cleave blessings in general should be tuned down

[stable socket]

tell that to trapper nets

[void dragon]

trappers get a free pass because nurgle said so

[stable socket]

when i stop getting trapped through carapace i will concede that carapace cannot be cleaved

[tame lodge]

Horde clear
Single target

[void dragon]

wait, does the frigging Psword has better mobility than Relic blades?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-walter-white-falling-walter-white-sad-hank-death-breaking-bad-gif-11929995292147864802

[tame lodge]

[atomic void]

relic blade if u wanna talk objectively comes short

[spiral dew]

Curious about the hordeclear claim specifically. How was that tested? RB seems to have a significant range advantage over the psword, though maybe that's a subjective feeling since I haven't ever tested them side by side myself

[atomic void]

but its no slouch

PS is simply a funny weapon

[tame lodge]

Can't compete with Brutal Momentum

Because brutal momentum is a fair and balanced blessing

[spiral dew]

so you sac power cycler for brutal momentum, and take sunder?

[tame lodge]

Nope

BM Power Cycler

[void dragon]

can confirm, ppl just dont like the turn on loop but is undeniably strong

[tame lodge]

Sunder Power Cycler

[spiral dew]

so you have to take power cycler, which makes sunder a non-issue?

[tame lodge]

Sunder is also 400% cleave

And cleave carapace

[stable socket]

isn't the horde clear with sunder also really good

[tame lodge]

Both blessings are fair and balanced

[tall torrent]

Power sword vs 50 pox is ~9s (sunder) and ~8.4s (BM) which leads relic blade at closer to 10s (this is if relic blade is turned on)

Power sword’s activated light attacks can stagger ragers & maulers, while attacking faster

Power sword with sunder has 43.6 effective cleave while being able to cleave through carapace, resulting in the highest melee mixed horde dps in the game

[stable socket]

if there's maulers in the mix, sunder lets you not bounce at head height

[void dragon]

Sunder PCicler can deal with anything

[stable socket]

it is pretty weird that the heavies on the mk6 have no purpose

[spiral dew]

interesting. I'll give the sunder blessing mix a shot

[tall torrent]

power sword is so ridiculous that rashad and arb maul look comparatively balanced

[void dragon]

what IS a balanced weapon in this trying times for the "Fair and also Balanced" enjoyers?

[tall torrent]

Ur not gonna like my answer

[tame lodge]

Shock Maul

[void dragon]

I already aware, HIT ME!

[tall torrent]

For havoc prob Rashad is the closest thing to “good & balanced” melee on vet

Which is a crazy thing to say

[tall torrent]

Also tac axe 7 and chainaxe 12

[void dragon]

Time to embrace the rashad , Taxe and Chadaxe ways i guess

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[spiral dew]

what were the rb times? Also, was this prepatch?

[tame lodge]

Are we talking about the same broken af Rashad

[tall torrent]

relic blade close to 10s because cleave is worse

and power sword gets serrated blade on vet tree

and yes this was prepatch numbers

currently power sword might be higher?

[split grove]

Rashad cleave maxes on havoc right

[spiral dew]

you can get 50% cleave built in now from Against the Odds, which is why I ask

[tall torrent]

wat

[tame lodge]

Maxes on normals

1.5 cleave is 1 walker

[split grove]

Bromentum

[tame lodge]

Or 2 groaners because they have 1.25 each

Oh BM

It's always 4 targets

[split grove]

I c

[tall torrent]

yea
no cleave on elites
takes 5~6 atks to kill 1 crusher
doesn't instantly delete boss
no uncanny to cheese bleed

[tame lodge]

As long as they are not ogryns

[split grove]

I didnt know theres a cap

[tame lodge]

But because Rashad has 1.5 cleave

It won't punch through the 4th target with BM

[tall torrent]

still not as high as power sword

[split grove]

Ah so i put mentum on psword

And now im dumb

[tame lodge]

At 60% cleave, Psword should have 10.7 cleave

[tall torrent]

10.9

[tall torrent]

not how it works

[tame lodge]

With BM you kill 4 walkers, they would amount to 6 cleave, so you can still punch through and hit a 5th

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-bob-parr-the-incredibles-gif-7194125

[tall torrent]

just get it right the first time

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[void dragon]

@tall torrent what does the Chain axe needs? similar to the Rashad?

[tall torrent]

it's sorta similar ish role

but it has cleave

[steel veldt]

Holy shit tested Laspistol, it shreds maulers for some reason on headshots

bruh

crit moment

[void dragon]

blessings and perks for it? same as old age?

[tall torrent]

also mk12 over mk4

[tall torrent]

flak, carapace, headtaker, slaughterer

it's kinda funny that the light sweep does like 3x more on flak than on unarmored but

watever

[steel veldt]

might try infantry lasgun again, for the aura

[void dragon]

fortunately have like 2 builds on my veteran that uses Psword, so i havent falen into the brainrot

[tame lodge]

Btw
When guide

2026?

[void dragon]

40027 not sooner

[tame lodge]

So I can just post screenshots from it when people ask for info

I really don't feel like sorting through what you already posted as pictures

[tall torrent]

soon maybe

[tall torrent]

reworking weapon sections

[tame lodge]

How much did the vet rework shake it

[tall torrent]

not that much (?)

[meager echo]

shout do infinite bleed

[tall torrent]

it's 5 bleed stacks & cannot drop below 5 stacks

[mortal aspen]

your power sword is curved, you need to consult Hadron asap

[meager echo]

buff in mortis trial are hillarious

[meager echo]

I thought it is 9999 bleed... The wording is wierd.

[tame lodge]

You should probably find a way to highlight the dump stats

[spiral dew]

when those horde clear tests are performed, what are the parameters? Talented/untalented? Just a mass of 50 poxwalkers spawned into the psychanium?

(asking because I want to be able to duplicate the testing for myself)

[steel veldt]

Yk it's not that bad

the infantry lasgun

I only died because my dumbshit Zealot did not push away a poxburster

[umbral scaffold]

is chainaxe able to complete with the chainsword?

[meager echo]

I think you need to test it with mixed horde. I don't know if creature spawner have that.
Usually mixed horde is the problem not pure poxwallker or groaners.

[umbral scaffold]

chainsword just feels absolutely insane right now

i hope chainaxe is the same

[hollow ibex]

might be better, tbh

[tame lodge]

Might be worse ngl

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-mald-ratio-gif-24944390

[umbral scaffold]

[tame lodge]

Chainsword can clear hordes at an acceptable time

[hollow ibex]

chaxe horde clear isn't bad tbh

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-with-tongue-cat-smiling-gif-11949735780193730026

[hollow ibex]

and it's very safe

[tame lodge]

Mk4 is capped

Mk12 lights 💀

Gotta say though

[hollow ibex]

4 is capped but has PA for horde control

12 horde clear is saved by vet right side

[spiral dew]

someone is generating the timed numbers somehow though?

I just want to find out what the testing protocol was (whatever it is) so I can assess weapons for myself.

[tame lodge]

Mk4 heavies will kill 2 poxxers per swing when stacked

[tame lodge]

Most likely using talents
Targets blobbed into a wall

[tame lodge]

"saved" and it's one of the worst cleave damage distribution

[umbral scaffold]

which chainaxe is the best?

[tame lodge]

Mk4

(it's probably the 12)

[meager echo]

Are you talking about reginald spread sheet?
I don't know how he do it. Maybe there are details explain in the sheets. I'm not sure.

[hollow ibex]

all i can say is that when i tried it, didn't feel the "bad" horde clear because it's a very safe weapon to use in hordes

[hybrid plover]

Cleave damage ain't everything

Horde management is also very important

And mk12 chainaxe has got that in spades tbh

[azure narwhal]

finally got some time for more vet

how is new bistol?

[tall torrent]

I can

[azure narwhal]

still collateral dump on it?

[tame lodge]

Forgot to run the bat file again

[spiral dew]

yeah, seems we're using numbers to assess performance, but I can't duplicate the power sword's horde clear in live vs relic blade.

Trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. I'm sure part of it is less familiarity/skill issue, but a test environment would let me assess and improve too

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Saw the both mobilities being 60 at the bottom and cleave targets being on the mid-ish side
Got a bit confused

[meager echo]

I think the spread sheets are just raw data.
It dont translate well to the game.
Usually the best method is to just use power di to check your performance in real matches.

[spiral dew]

power di? Not familiar with it

more detailed alternative to scoreboard?

[meager echo]

Oh its a mod, to see damage deal to what target.
Its very specific like horde dmg, elite dmg, montrosity dmg.

[hybrid plover]

Eh

[steel veldt]

I noticed with funny infantry, I can't headshot for shit

unlike with recon

[hybrid plover]

New bistol is just

[sharp epoch]

Yes, it can even give info on ability uptimes

[hybrid plover]

Disapppointing

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[meager echo]

I like the aoe stagger, but trading it for direct dmg is not worth.

[spiral dew]

awesome. I'll grab it. Any conflicts with scoreboard or does it act like a scoreboard plug in?

[void dragon]

Feels "Fine" (TM) on Zealot, but that's not saying much praises

[hybrid plover]

Honestly prefer the actual bolt gun for that cuz it at least does actual damage

[sharp epoch]

you can run both I think power di condenses the info at the end

[tame lodge]

dclaw for reference

knife 6 for reference

[meager echo]

I tried using the mark vi some games, can't one shot specialist just feel bad man...

[void dragon]

Dclaw superiority

[tame lodge]

We ain't falling for dclaw propaganda

[meager echo]

I cant find a creative way to use the aoe stagger as well.

[tame lodge]

But to be fair

Orestes 12 lights CDD isn't the worst one

So that's ok

[void dragon]

on the Zealot its good to stagger while moving forward, since it cant kill enemies with a single shot anyway

[shadow fable]

What's the setup for Power Falchion?

Using Flak + Carapace and Energy Leakage + Decapitator rn

[tame lodge]

Not Decapitator

It's usually

Cranial Wrath

Cranial Leakage

Cranial Heatsink

[shadow fable]

Flak + Carapace still good tho?

[steel veldt]

infantry lasgun attempt went well

I'd show leaderboard but I crashed near the end anyway

(I did horribly)

[meager echo]

i can't use that gun. The recoil is just too much for me

[tame lodge]

Doesn't get much value from flak iirc

Nor maniacs

[shadow fable]

elite maybe then?

[tame lodge]

So Unyielding + Carapace might be better

[tame lodge]

Usable I think

Actually I have an idea

What's the hardest hitting carapace damage weapon on Arby's

Woops wrong chat

Feel free to answer

The answer is Rashad though

[steel veldt]

Yeah same

for 200 damage it has the same recoil as a bolt pistol

which does 500 damage

Like what's the point

[meager echo]

cool scope tho

[steel veldt]

and recon has no recoil

and deals 150 damage

so like, ??????

[warm schooner]

been playing a lot of this, pretty fun build

[slow sky]

Its my go to havoc build
And the results are noticeable

[hybrid plover]

I've been honestly wondering about axing precision strikes off for certain builds tbh

[tame lodge]

no thoughts, just laits

[hollow ibex]

DB WS build

practically cheating reeeeee

[tame lodge]

wrong chat again

woops

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[hollow ibex]

martyrdom gaming

https://tenor.com/view/christian-bale-american-psycho-walk-jam-patrick-bateman-gif-15074638149862812743

[tame lodge]

"too risky"

Imagine the horror I went through

When a teammate tried to heal me

And the other martyr

Poor guy was trying to help

Even asked why no heal

So it was definitely innocent

[hollow ibex]

or he was just looking for plausible deniability

because healing marty zealots is tantamount to griefing

and he knows it

[tame lodge]

new spooktober plans

chase martyrs with a green stimm aimed at em

[slow sky]

Is that the 10% rending

I dont think i ever take that on any build ever

[hollow ibex]

precision strikes is 30% bonus weakspot damage

[tepid otter]

What weapons are worth taking Rending on, or is it like a must have

[hollow ibex]

weapons with bad specific ADMs that you want to correct

though realistically whether you take rending strikes will prob come down more to your build and whether you can reach it

in most cases

[tame lodge]

iLas and Vigis iirc

[slow spade]

Recon can benefit from it if you're doing some Focus Target build or whatever

[tall torrent]

falchion
DC sword
vig auto
recon
inf las

are prob the main examples

[tame lodge]

Falchion 😭

[hybrid plover]

Honestly I even take it on knife so I don't have to use uncanny

Not necessary but it helps.

[manic umbra]

What’s our current S tier ranged options besides Plasma for hybrid build?

Helbore is good but mostly for ranged/not for the classic hybrid WS build no?

[tepid otter]

Bolter and dont let nobody tell you different

[toxic reef]

double barrel is p clutch

likes the free reload on swaps

[hybrid plover]

I'd argue a good player makes double barrel actually overpowered for what it can do

Especially now with vet's beefed up damage