veteran-class

[willow prairie]

I have to remember that my melee weapon have range

[eternal venture]

Yeah I gain all sorts of bad habits going back to VT2

Hitboxes are also way more jank in that game

[ivory trail]

Best recon las is fire racon las?

[hollow ibex]

Boy do I have the copy pasta for you

[jaunty tinsel]

is this of current patch? last i checked (some time ago) XII was just objectively the play

[hollow ibex]

Current yah

I’d say XII and VI are similarly strong

[jaunty tinsel]

just down to preference really?

[hollow ibex]

XIV is just niche

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[ivory trail]

Oh I never notice XII nerf move speed. Was using VIc from the dawn

[hollow ibex]

The move speed reduction is kinda annoying

[ivory trail]

I remember finding out XIV and XII eat way more ammo so I stick with VIc. XIV was shooting 2/shot but don't give much damage and XII was doing way less damage with the same ammo pool.

Too many small change while I am in cyro sleep

[jaunty tinsel]

i think i mostly prefer VIc myself too, just was usting XII for a long time because it seemed to be the best choice when i asked previously

[willow prairie]

easiest one to use

[dapper coyote]

I always see Reccy lasguns as lazy lasguns

Hold down M1 and call it a day

[ivory trail]

I like having fingers so recon my fav. Also plasma.

[dapper coyote]

Same

My fingers do hurt playing other lasguns sometimes

[hollow ibex]

basically exactly how it's designed lol

[hollow ibex]

if you're on PC, you can use skitarius or full auto mod

because some weapons in this game are just carpal distributors

[charred salmon]

what is the best combo for single targets and for hordes with chain sword?

[ivory trail]

Any reason to charge fire plasma? It seems that the damage/ammo is the same or at least very close

[dry cloak]

For horde its light spam fornelites ita heavy spam with mk13g

[austere mica]

No

[dry cloak]

Now? If really want to

[fair shale]

There's a reaper standing still

[austere mica]

It does 2.6x damage for 3x ammo

[fair shale]

Yeah, and iirc it gets worse when you factor in blessings

I run optimized cooling and uhhh, blaze away on it and the M1s will hit for 1300

[hollow ibex]

which one

[austere mica]

This is because plasma is a Well Designed and Balanced weapon which is very Fun

[fair shale]

Hey you said it

[grand perch]

good ol plasma

[fair shale]

Is there genuinely a reason to not use plasma outside "i find X more fun"

[austere mica]

Helbore does the same thing more ammo efficiently

[fair shale]

Does it? Cause Plasma can efficiently murder a lot with like 3 shots

[slow sky]

you can get declined swiftly in party finder

[fair shale]

That hallway? Gone

[slow sky]

its so peak

[fair shale]

Im ngl I think thats vet stigma

[slow sky]

yknow what else can do that

[austere mica]

Oh well it doesn't have infinite cleave but it can 1 tap basically everything

[fair shale]

VIII Shotgun

[narrow frost]

(edited)

[fair shale]

I still havent tried double barrel vet tbh

[austere mica]

Do it

Now

[charred salmon]

xiii

[austere mica]

Knife and dbarrel

Weapon spec

[fair shale]

Nah, I haven't been in a DT mood in like a week

[austere mica]

Manstopper flechette

[tribal tangle]

Probably pretty good with weapons specialist reload talent

[austere mica]

Kill everything

Go fast

Eat shit

[slow sky]

id argue its better than DS plasma, just requires a better player

[tribal tangle]

Just kraks for cara? Or frags and beat down with shovel

[fair shale]

Regrettably I am an arby main now, I don't qualify for better player for most people

[austere mica]

People keep asking for melta but we already have it

[slow sky]

kraks for bulwarks and bosses (and cara blobs in havoc)
shredder is overkill, you literally have shovel and double barrel

[fair shale]

Honestly

Melta would be such a waste

For most things

I dont think a lot of people would like it

[tribal tangle]

I need to try shovel post tree changes, haven't played much vet yet

Vet needs more melees, for the gun class

[slow sky]

like look at these numbers
genuinely
thats a purg staff psyker im competing with

[tribal tangle]

Double cleave must shred

Double barrel

[fair shale]

Which ones purge?

I assume Psyk

[slow sky]

the only one with warpfire damage

[tribal tangle]

Flame throwa

[fair shale]

That makes sense now

[tribal tangle]

Fwame tchrowa

[fair shale]

What was metro?

[slow sky]

arbites

[fair shale]

Had to be that or Og

[slow sky]

last guy was ogryn

[tribal tangle]

This is why I play every character and so many different builds

Sometimes i just get an itch to play a build or use certain weapons

[fair shale]

My itch has been nazi killing

[hollow ibex]

eh just light spam

[fair shale]

So ive been working on shooting hitler in the testicles better in SE5 lately

[fair shale]

Are they just declining cause you're on a semi unorthodox build?

[slow sky]

i dont know what happened there

[austere mica]

They can't be

[slow sky]

it was an instant decline

[fair shale]

Maybe they already accepted 4th

[austere mica]

That return time was so short they clicked it as soon as it appeared

Wait Cole which dev hates you the most

[slow sky]

why do you ask

[fair shale]

The devs hate you?

[austere mica]

Do they work near the servers

[fair shale]

Like unironically?

[austere mica]

Maybe they decline the havoc requests for you

[slow sky]

ANGIE

[tribal tangle]

This is my wrist after too much knife

[slow sky]

IT HAS TO BE ANGIE

[austere mica]

The 0-100 confirms my suspicions

[grand perch]

they wanted to decline someone else, you slid into their position right as they clicked

[slow sky]

there is no other explanation

[grand perch]

where'd you get that pic of my teen years?

[slow sky]

it has to be them

[austere mica]

Can you take revenge on them from your cupboard

[fair shale]

Im ngl that pic just reminds me of severe anorexia

[grand perch]

btw which mod is that, lets you preview whos on the team?

[slow sky]

angie works on a lot of the new weapons and weapon changes that you guys have really liked
they also are an expert at psyop warfare

is the head of fatsharks psyop department in fact

[fair shale]

Which weapons?

Cause im ngl I've only specifically really liked 3 since coming back

[slow sky]

relic blade and FGS, arbites weapons, evis/vigil/paul changes

and more

[fair shale]

I like specifically the arbites weapons, so thats good

[tribal tangle]

Tell them pls give ogryn big hammer

[slow sky]

just know the person behind those being good is watching me from their evil chair flipping the switches and spawning trappers behind me because they think its funny

[tribal tangle]

Also psyker nerds need staves

[fair shale]

Just dodge, is simple

[tribal tangle]

Someone tell gws to hurry their development hell pipeline so we can get more than 3 weapons per year

[void dragon]

question: currently which mk of the dueling sword is the worst?

[hollow ibex]

mk5 prob

[void dragon]

even when it was buffed recently?

[tribal tangle]

5 doesn't have pokes so its not as good by default

[junior grail]

I kinda like the lights on markV

[tribal tangle]

Just on ap basis

[hollow ibex]

yeah it kinda has the worst of the mk2 and the worst of the mk4 lol

in exchange for meme tier dodges

[slow sky]

mk5 is currently the best

[void dragon]

Good lord can ObeseFish do ANYTHING right? Then which is the worse one?

[frigid shuttle]

I just want weapons with relic blade (fgs ok too) moveset on all classes.

[fair shale]

Id like more big swords too

[void dragon]

Also, did they really buffed it that much?

[fair shale]

Do you see parry as a nerf to DS? I kinda trust your opinions on things.

[void dragon]

Imagine biggerest sword for ogryn

[tall torrent]

martyr not actually highest dmg lol

[frigid shuttle]

Depends on what you're doing.

[void dragon]

Is it facts? They should buff martyrdom?

[tall torrent]

if psyker not in team, whoever runs ahead is usually most dmg

assuming not havoc

[fair shale]

Cleaving a Bon Bon in twain would be rad tbh

[frigid shuttle]

I usually get 1st or 2nd as martyr, even if i play babysitter for the laggards, on auric.

[tall torrent]

martyr's dmg bonus over IJ is usually not high enough to matter significantly for hits-to-kill vs most enemies

[narrow widget]

MOAR GREEN CIRCLES

[frigid shuttle]

But I also waste time sniping specialists, since randoms can't be relied on.

Usually have 50-80% of specialist kills.

[narrow widget]

nah they should murder vet instead

this will fix every problem the game has

[slow sky]

yes, you should see how much damage the light smiter does

[void dragon]

Seriously, why people hate counter sniping? All what they do is swing in melee and die because bad at it

[frigid shuttle]

Tunnelvision feels good

[void dragon]

Damnit, I want to use that stupid sword because it would look cool on my drip, but ObeseFish refuses to make them fair and also balanced

[void dragon]

But then which one is the worse one? Surely one is at least remotely the more honest

[frigid shuttle]

Just use whatever is fun for you.

[austere mica]

Except smite

[frigid shuttle]

Smite is okay, among consenting adults.

[void dragon]

But shovel doesn't look that good TT_TT

[narrow widget]

the average smyker getting barreled 10+ times per match:

[void dragon]

I use smite only if I use it for less than 2 seconds

Gods I used it once holding it and almost felt asleep irl

[frigid shuttle]

Doesnt work with cheatmod

They can see 'em

[slow sky]

youre not gonna like my answer

ds4

[void dragon]

MORBIDLYOBESESHRIMP!!!!!!

[ivory trail]

DS4 is the only one I didn't use when it was psyker only

[void dragon]

*scribble in book of grudges

[ivory trail]

DS2 and 5 is very much the same back then, no idea now.

[dry cloak]

I just dont use ds at all

Does not fit themes of my builds

[void dragon]

I shall use the DClaw out of spite, even if it doesn't fit the drip, just to hate on ObeseFish for this misdemeanor

[dry cloak]

Good it will make you a better player

[slow sky]

ds2 has actual horde clear and also has stabs
ds5 has deceptive horde clear with its light spam, with the smiter light having enough damage with its buff that it can be spammed into elites too, and the heavies are only a little worse than stabs, but also has 2 dodge distance stats
ds4 only really has stabs, thats it

[ivory trail]

Just read the earlier topic: is running to the front, triggering everything but never clean up is a non havoc thing? If yes maybe I should go there instead

[dry cloak]

Some people still have speedrunner mind set

[void dragon]

And those jerks are the first to die in my experience

[slow sky]

oops

[void dragon]

Me status: jelly that I can't steal your builds mate (know that it's not what makes the player but I still have to round up mine to be good builds)

[dapper coyote]

Ayo

Tech

Actually tech

I can finally use other than reccy

[hollow ibex]

without skitarius i prob couldn't use half the weps in this game lol

[charred salmon]

It just seems kinda not very good

[slow sky]

i just updated this one

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fad575e-f27e-44fc-bd9f-f62dd7ed4001/how-to-have-fun?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hollow ibex]

mark 4 is prob the better mark now

though i don't think any of the chords are particularly great

[charred salmon]

They both feel really weird. But I guess I'm used to relic blade

[hollow ibex]

chaxe is good though, if you wnat a chain weapon

[charred salmon]

I thought I heard chax was bad

What is good veteran weapon

[hollow ibex]

nah they're pretty good now

[hollow ibex]

one that can do everything

those are the best types of weapons

then the tier after that are weapons that excel at certain tasks

[ivory trail]

Chaxe better than blade?

[slow sky]

like the mk1 shovel

[hollow ibex]

peak copium right here

[slow sky]

is it

[hollow ibex]

could've been 50% more damage if you were running rashad or psword

[slow sky]

nope

[ivory trail]

I use to play heavy sword on zealot. Not sure it works on vet

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[hollow ibex]

it does... just have something for carapace

kraks or ranged weapon

[tall torrent]

DB is more dmg than plasma yea

a lot better ammo efficiency

[hybrid plover]

ds plasma is overrated to begin with

[tall torrent]

DS is not a high scoreboard dmg weapon and plasma is used on 1 guy at a time, usually

compared to DB with manstopper flechette bleeding everything + shovel being an uncanny stick

don't think shovel pulls much ahead of knife for this use case tho

[midnight wyvern]

That sounds pretty fun

[slow sky]

shovel definitely pulls ahead of knife in terms of actual total damage output, mostly cuz it can actually cleave things

you can use it to control and kill hordes, knife whittles them away and just kinda dances around them

[ivory trail]

One of my problem is ramdos are normally bad with armor and sheild so I favor plasma (and it was boltgun before plasma is added).

[tall torrent]

the cleave is pretty meh still, 10.5 base
even with 10 stack decimator it's not great
knife with flesh is pretty hilarious atm, I don't think the discrepancy would be that far off

[meager echo]

Only Ds is overrated. Plasma gun is low effort high reward weapon.

Ds suck so much in havoc. Cant deal with horde in a timely manner.

[slow sky]

just weave some pushes in for hitmass reductions, and serrated blade is stacking on every hit

a voc also quickly makes anything cleavable

when theyre all on the floor

[tall torrent]

it's not good enough at cleave that it pulls that far ahead over flesh tearer knife tbh

[umbral harness]

Im sorry but bullet hose recon doesnt compare to strong recon

I finally managed to properly play today and test both

[feral cave]

Ok so, for Havoc Veteran meta, with Trench Fighter Drill and Rending Strikes (serrated Blade optional), how is the chainsword not meta compared to the power sword?

You take Shred and Wrath/Devastating Strike and use the blue one/Mk XIIIg,

[hybrid plover]

because power sword does significantly more damage across the board

and has a means to cleave the one thing that can't usually be cleaved

that second point alone makes it valuable

[feral cave]

Yeah but only sometimes.
Chainsword swings do 3-digit damage all the time, no need for activation.

And yes I remember that Sunder does do the crazy cleave, but what things can't be cleaved through that it can? Honestly forgot.

[tall torrent]

carapace
and it does not have inf cleave

[feral cave]

Ok then.

Other than that, has the power flachion become meta at all?

[hybrid plover]

nope

[ivory trail]

flachion is worst than sword?

[hybrid plover]

significantly actually

and the mobility difference is not enough to justify how off the mark falchion is compared to sword

it's usable

but not great.

[tall torrent]

we wish

[feral cave]

WHat if falchion got access to Sunder?

[hybrid plover]

gonna be better than it is currently

but in damage, sword still wins

like it's not even close

[tall torrent]

much better than it is rn but it still lacks in many areas

it's pretty weak in stagger
unpowered attacks are really bad
and single target dmg is kinda meh

[umbral harness]

Wow

I love falchion

Way better special than power sword that gives you 3 special attacks max

[feral cave]

Hopefully it does get Sunder.

[tall torrent]

very strongly doubt it

they didn't even give sunder/perfect strike to relic blade

[thorn lark]

DS5 is quite fun tbh

Sunder and power cycler are relics of the past

[faint beacon]

I just wish the Falchion had an easier way to access staggering ragers instead of praying to god you manage to get to the part of the combo that does

[ivory trail]

Power Cycler still a must on PS?

[dapper coyote]

Is the bleed on melee hit node worth it for the veteran?

[sharp epoch]

yes lol

[midnight wyvern]

🫃

3 giga juiced attacks yeah

introduce yourself to the push attack stab into light overhead combo that just deletes things and you'll change your mind pretty fast

[hybrid plover]

on some weapons, it works

knife, you can go mercy killer for good weakspot damage or flesh tearer for really consistent bleed damage
power sword + sunder spreads those bleed stacks to a lot of targets
tac axe attacks really fast so it's very easy to get to max stacks

[umbral scaffold]

maaaan

vigilant autogun FUCKS

i love that stupid thing

[grand perch]

Weapons with high cleave, such as psword also profit from serrated blade a lot. Hitting like 4 guys is 8 bleed stacks, Which is also additional benefit for ogryns in the vicinity

Generally for me the question is would I rather have field improv or serrated now

[umbral scaffold]

every damn soldier knows that the best melee weapon is the shovel and 2nd best is combat blade

mainly because combat blade makes you achieve mach 3 speeds

[regal belfry]

yeets duelling sword at you

[umbral scaffold]

voices of command that shit awaaaaaaaaaaay

[willow prairie]

chat i woke up with my deck on the floor

[azure narwhal]

Similar situation for me, only a slight difference in wording

[bold sierra]

h40 krak bolter gaming, gotta both love and hate it when you're the only one with long-ranged weapon, killing ranged elites and rotten armors. Crazy that I got basically the same dmg as psyker fire staff

I seriously feel like people don't adapt to rotten armors lol

rotten armors spam crushers and ragers in droves and people still ask for smokes 😐

[meager echo]

what so bad about smoke ?

purple + rotten armour, no krak needed

oh that's one is stimm

let me send the purple one

[bold sierra]

off chance your ogryn actually does their job with aggro shielding, and maybe your ARBITES having shock mine, then yeah, smoke aint bad

most of the times you just see vets in rotten armors throwing down smokes at like 10 crushers then get pummeled

[meager echo]

If you play rotten armour, you need smoke because you can't shoot special through amour pack.

2nd vet can get krak

[bold sierra]

in throneside or carnival tileset I at least get smokes, but most of the times you don't even really need it, it obstructs your team's vision as well

[meager echo]

I only play pub so, you need to peel and buy time for them. You can't krak your way through in pubs.

[bold sierra]

not to mention, plasma gun doesn't infinite pen crushers

[meager echo]

no dood

can't cleave through carapace

you can check my score board. Mostly melee.

[bold sierra]

yeah that's what I said, cant cleave big bois carapace

you said "cant shoot special through armor pack" I was talking about that

[meager echo]

that's why if you get big armour pack, you need smoke to make special run to melee range.

you can't shoot through them

[thin stone]

Is power falchion viable for Havocs 40?

[bold sierra]

pretty good with serrated blade, doesnt deal as much dmg but it's a lot more mobile than regular power sword, was playing it

[thin stone]

I'm currently using power sword, but I don't like it's charging mechanism, I much prefer how the relic ?-blade/power-falchion works.

[meager echo]

That's why i need smoke to make them run to me, so I can deal with them.

or reposition to shoot them.

smoke is 30sec, you can freely use that time to deal with them.

the only one you need to worry about is bomber since they force you out of bubble or smoke.

[bold sierra]

the only specials I find are the worst are grenadiers, which already ignore smoke unless you throw right at them anyway. same with poxbursters, mutants. Snipers I have had 0 issue with them with bolter

other than that, idk what other special that smoke really counters that you cant already do with normal stuff

[meager echo]

for me, i rarely find the situation I need to use krak to deal with armour.

[thin stone]

I currently use Recon Lasgun + Power sword for my havoc veteran build

[bold sierra]

lol you'd be surprised by how often 1-2 kraks have saved my Havoc 40 rotten armor games vs packs of crushers WITHOUT any other CC source liek ogryns and shock mines

[meager echo]

That's being said, I play with krak vet h40. He has a 900k blitz dmg game.

he's the 2nd vet

[thin stone]

I also play krak vet

[meager echo]

all blitz are viable for vet h40, depend on your tatse. I think frag is the weakest.

[bold sierra]

I only really think smokes is best for carnival and throneside maps with long sightlines, other than that, it's not really needed most of the times, it just feels absolutely useless when enemies swarm you

frag did lose some power with the HP increases a bit lol

but it's still a decent CC and hordeclear source, especially when swarmed

[meager echo]

The problem I run notice during pub is you need a fail safe for bubble. One badly place bubble can ruin the run. Playing with smoke is more consistent. You can shutdown range twin + plasma gunner as well.

[bold sierra]

but krak really fills in for a lot of vet's loadouts with weapons that arent too anti-tanky

[bold sierra]

most of the times game goes south when psyker dies, so that's not untrue

[bold sierra]

I play witht he explosive bolter mark, it CCs and stagger ranged enemies so well, gunners, reapers and stuff aint no issue with it

[meager echo]

It's more like a pubs thing, if you have premade, I don't think smoke is that strong tbh.

[bold sierra]

hell I play with smokes sometimes in pubs too, most of the times people still pepega with it, especially when a bunch of crushers and bosses come

[meager echo]

Almost every vet in my sv (hongkong) run smoke. 2nd vet run krak.

[bold sierra]

yeah i noticed, I play hong kong too

[frank basin]

Hello konger

I just spoke history of Cantonese in zealot chat

[meager echo]

You also notice that they don't run ws as well haha despite it way stronger than ft.

[bold sierra]

ws?

[meager echo]

weapon specialist keystone

most choose focus target

[frank basin]

Focus target easier

[bold sierra]

ive seen a lot of weapon specialist, but it's a pretty selfish keystone tho

[frank basin]

Mmf and ws is skill required reflexes check

[bold sierra]

focus target helps with team and breakpoints pretty easily

[frank basin]

Is why no one is very reflexes playing 2 veteran keystone

[meager echo]

I'll say ws is safer since the as steroid + gurantee crit for breakpoint.

[frank basin]

Only one shot crit

[bold sierra]

mmf is pretty damn goated, I've played inf lasgun with MMF in H40 and it's pretty nice, pretty great breakpoints to shoot ranged elites with

[frank basin]

Not crit on duration

I wish if is crits on duration

[meager echo]

yeah for specialist.

[frank basin]

I shoot one time seen on show crit chance

[meager echo]

since they run smoke + bubble in every game, gunners is not an issue.

[frank basin]

From 100% to back to base crits

Oh I run double bubble with my friend

We both use flame staff

But he use fgs and I use deimos fs

[bold sierra]

lowkey I like seeing voidblast more than flame stuff these days

especially on rotten armor

[frank basin]

The ground blast is good cc stagger

Strike is just plasma on staff

[bold sierra]

decent soulblaze source too lol

[frank basin]

Yeah

It need empyric resolve to have less peril gen

[bold sierra]

tho i hate how limited psyker still feels, so reliant on soulblaze still

[ivory trail]

This is what I mean run to the front and not killing anything earlier

[frank basin]

That’s the whole thing about psyker

[meager echo]

The flame staff suppression is also a safety layer for the team. I notice it when playing with trauma blaze psyker.

[frank basin]

Flamestaff primary does stagger rager

[bold sierra]

it does, then you still see pepegas who just perma secondary fire lol

[frank basin]

I one see 30 dreg rager patrol and they come angry and I just primary panic spamming staggering them manage control all of it situations

[bold sierra]

never push bursters or netters with primary

[frank basin]

Thank showstopper

They don’t stagger?

And why burster not too?

Aren’t dmg is low and high stagger?

[bold sierra]

dont think secondary fire has good stagger

it does eventually, but not immediate

[frank basin]

Secondary is punch everything through with low stagger

Primary just a blast low dmg high stagger value

[bold sierra]

yeah

[meager echo]

I really hate this current rotation. Rotten armour give me crash everygame

[bold sierra]

i havent had any crashes since the hotfix before the latest hotfix

[frank basin]

[bold sierra]

before that...error mission aborts every time

lost like 5 havoc ranks cuz of it

[meager echo]

I avoid rotten armour like plague man. Just join random 21 for free win

[bold sierra]

went all the way from 38 to 32 😐

back to 40 now tho, last week

but BOI it was rough

[meager echo]

Just fish for good map man. Don't run rotten armour or purple.

[bold sierra]

rotten armor is pretty rough ngl

purple i'm cool with

rotten armor and stimms tho

[meager echo]

The new silo cluster or snow map is also big no.

cancer map.

[bold sierra]

yeah wtf is with silo cluster and void, lowkey silo is worse than void rn I feel

[sudden cedar]

Gloriana is the best map there is, outside of Throneside.

[meager echo]

I think easiest map is mercantile.

[meager echo]

Super charge paul ogryn would like to have a word

[sudden cedar]

Power Maul in its current state is inferior to what it once was.

[meager echo]

I still remember that time he yeeted 2 of my team mates out of the 1st section.

which the special attack

[sudden cedar]

Well you did that because of Barrels.

Its equally on you for detonating them and also on them for not paying attention to the barrels or removing them beforehand.

[meager echo]

I blame big man for bringing power maul.

it has to be his fault

[bold sierra]

aside from tht, i feel Paul is pretty good this patch, enemies just got a bit beefier but that affects everything anyway

shield/maul is the goat this patch tho

[sudden cedar]

How's Power Maul "pretty good" this patch, in your opinion?

[meager echo]

I don't even know what is good on ogryn right now. I saw people run various weapon... Borovian, shield n maul, Branx, mk3 club, powe maul.

before patch most of them run borovian or mk3 club.

[steep flower]

No CC? 👀

[steep flower]

Nothing changed; its the same stuff

[midnight wyvern]

just win

[steep flower]

Mk3b club, karsolas/branx & shield thats it

[tepid otter]

New map?

[meager echo]

I avoid those map. Too much for me... I always wait for the 21st moebian map

Secret tech

[steep flower]

Mah man does not know but thats ok

[midnight wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1425398624472404050/95cd5410c78344abaf2f81097ec4f53a.gif

[meager echo]

I think they re-add silo cluster map recently.

[steep flower]

Maybe you need better teammates?

[midnight wyvern]

introducing our sponsor

[sudden cedar]

Good teammates make all the difference.

[steep flower]

That was long time ago; it was bugged and out of rotation

[sudden cedar]

So does good communication

[native ocean]

"Tag dangerous elites so your teammates can kill them in time."

• Sun Tzu

[meager echo]

the best i can do is yes, no, thank you and wc

[sudden cedar]

Acceptable as a basis

[undone jungle]

do plasma gunners count as gunner% for curio resistance

[midnight wyvern]

no

[sudden cedar]

No.

[undone jungle]

damn

[bold sierra]

know what?

[undone jungle]

sniper%? or are they just unclassed

[sudden cedar]

Snipers are Snipers.

[midnight wyvern]

shotgunners but they don't have DR specific to them

[native ocean]

plasma gunners are not covered by any curio perk

[sudden cedar]

And damage resistance to snipers will work versus them

[bold sierra]

I saw ogryns with Paul do some pretyt nasty boss dmg, but to be fair I havent really touched ogryn yet this patch

[undone jungle]

bwehhh

[midnight wyvern]

DR to them also won't do jack shit even if you could equip it lol

[sudden cedar]

Is that what you would want from a weapon? Just damage?

[midnight wyvern]

they do like 119 damage and 3x to toughness

I think its like 96 damage now but

you still don't have 300 toughness

[bold sierra]

but so far from my testing in Havoc 40 modifiers simulacrum, its basic attacks are pretty good, but I'm still testing

[native ocean]

at least their telegraph is fine now and rof isn't ridiculous

[midnight wyvern]

yeah they're pretty neat now

they sound cool

[undone jungle]

it's decent. i don't think it's top tier but it's something actually worth considering outside of variety. the special is on a 12s cooldown but with the right blessings+talents its a 12s cooldown thunderhammer + zealot crusher with a larger stagger AOE than shredders

[midnight wyvern]

now that we can hear them

[ivory trail]

Paul raw damage is mid. It is alright after the patch. The special attact do around 1200 damage but the cooldown is too long for good DPS

[tepid otter]

[undone jungle]

the DPS isn't amazing tbh it's mostly a tauntgryn tool imo

not meme anymore but not a powerhouse like pickaxes

tbh those things are overtuned to shit anyway

[bold sierra]

I wouldnt mind if Paul get the FGS's power gauge treatment

would be peak

[ivory trail]

FGS?

[bold sierra]

force great sword

[native ocean]

true!

[midnight wyvern]

they mean Relic blade

[sudden cedar]

Would you pick the Power Maul more often if it could stagger every minor enemy more or less permanently in a substantial radius?

[native ocean]

Adding that extra sound when they are just about to fire was the right call

[sudden cedar]

Similar to how Smite works.

[steep flower]

Of all things it is not boss dmg for paul lemme tell ya

[undone jungle]

honestly would be better than it is rn. someone needs to make a timer mod or smth to actually keep track of the cooldown on it since the only way to know is a very subtle audio cue

[undone jungle]

nah thats just old paul and it was too niche

[bold sierra]

Paul's special can be pretyt clutch in like rotten armor crsuher clowncar here and there....way more than just spam light attacks with bully club I'll tell you that

[undone jungle]

new paul moveset is quite decent too

[bold sierra]

as far as I've seen

[undone jungle]

its mk3 club with some overheads and horizontals for mixed elites

[ivory trail]

old paul with BM is fun for a while

[native ocean]

I wish the heat gauge special was the standard for power weapons

[midnight wyvern]

PS with heat gauge

[sudden cedar]

@undone jungle Why is it too niche? And would you say Smite would also be niche then?

[native ocean]

The special to mash melee button gameplay is rancid

[undone jungle]

how would that work though

smite =/= old paul

[meager echo]

the bully club has very strong blessing tho. thunerous + skull crusher. That shiet enable boss dmg and purgatus like crazy.

[pseudo fiber]

They nerf PS ro compensate.
Game hits overwhelming negative

[bold sierra]

I'm testing it against Burgle in H40 psykanium, hitting the back weakspot deals like 1/4th ish of its heealth bar so that's SOMEWHAT decent, its normal attacks with bleeds seem pretty good dmg still

[undone jungle]

yea clubs are better boss DPS, frankly some of the best on gryn

[sudden cedar]

I never said Old Power Maul is Smite. I said it works somewhat similar in its effect.

[midnight wyvern]

yea lol

though they could give it a heat gauge and it still doesn't match Purg

[undone jungle]

i dont really see it...

[meager echo]

They already got review bomb with the initial change to ps

[undone jungle]

smite can lockdown an entire horde and let you take a leak while you hold down M1 with your wireless mouse

[meager echo]

doubt they ever do that again.

[steep flower]

Was always worth it; ppl didn’t know how 2 build it & utilize it… not to mention bias to its effectiveness acumulated over the years

[pseudo fiber]

What about a second review bomb over a deserved (theoretical Chinese) nerf?

[undone jungle]

I was one of the few that did try running it over the years and the main issue is that its old special was too niche compared to existing ogryn options for CC

slab shields H2 was deadass more useful in terms of CC 90% of the time

clubs had an AOE slap stagger that disabled rager groups

pickaxe special

it goes on and on

dont forget old paul had a horrible activation lag

[steep flower]

Its 12 secs

[undone jungle]

yes i know

i cant keep count of 12s when im pushing 4 dogs off me per second on high havoc 😭

[steep flower]

Niche yes
Underrated yes

[undone jungle]

ehh rightfully so though

tbh back before pickaxes were a thing

it was very underrated

[meager echo]

I think it's the main reason why they did very little change to DS this patch.

[midnight wyvern]

its a pretty distinct and sharp sound, have not had a problem hearing it

[pseudo fiber]

They should rip the bandaid off and nerf it and in the patch notes call anyone who complains and review bombs bitchmade

[undone jungle]

i play with the music off and i deadass cant hear it over the in game audio mid fight

[midnight wyvern]

I have game music on and am usually listening to my own music and probably in a VC as of late

and I can hear it

💀

[steep flower]

It is literally the same… outside heavy overhead after pushing (not push attack) which is dogshit to execute in the middle of a fight
And heavy overhead after first 2 lights which is also mid to use with everything else around you cause it takes too long to execute even with 22,5% att spd - you’re asking for chip dmg doing it

[undone jungle]

heavy overhead comes out after push (not pa) too

[meager echo]

I predict they will gradually nerf it a little every patch to avoid lash back.

[steep flower]

Now take it to actual environment and you’ll see

[bold sierra]

Paul's push-> h1 overhead deals pretty good carapace dmg

[steep flower]

You really build it wrong/not used it correctly then

That thing was a beast

[midnight wyvern]

I mean I quite like Paul against stuff, really nice for being the captain damage as the bonk does some really good damage

and you can just self stack SC before the bonk

[steep flower]

Until carapace

[midnight wyvern]

I've not had a problem clearing 40s with it and I don't use Ogryn in havoc very often lol

[elder vessel]

Feels still weird that the chainsword is the only chain weapon doesn't have any innate ripping in its moveset

so the blade just stops on armor without ripping and it feels

[midnight wyvern]

and I prefer it over the Bully club because you have utility in the powered bonk

[elder vessel]

wrong

[midnight wyvern]

and burst if needed

[steep flower]

I play with my own music and can do it… and i have ADHD
You can do it

[steep flower]

What i typed; read with understanding

[steep flower]

If you wanna do cara dmg use 2 lights & heavy combo; its better

[bold sierra]

yeah ig it is more dmg

from my testing so far, Paul's push -> overhead combo deals pretty damn good dmg on par with pickaxe

ig it comes down to picking your poison, I think even despite the 12s cd, the special can be pretty value at times

[steep flower]

But its too clunky to use; try using it in stress inducing environment then we’ll talk

[meager echo]

the slide attack is anoying af on paul man.

[steep flower]

Oh it is… but you need to be aware of many things for it… like the fact shockwave cannot stagger crushers nor bosses unless build proper which is a joke

[steep flower]

Its good

[meager echo]

I really hate it.

[elder vessel]

its not a single target attack

so I slide

I muscle memory a light to hit a big target

but its not the downward bonk I want

I hate it

bad slide attacm

[steep flower]

Or push att into 3rd & 4th light chain

[bold sierra]

I think in terms of general mobility, Paul's probably better than Pickaxe imo. Push comes to shove, just light or heavy spam with the brittle push lol

occasionally an overhead here and there

[meager echo]

man the borovian light spam is un match.

[bold sierra]

still slower tho, and given that ogryns dont get as much bleed with light attack now I think it's not as good as be4

and Paul's basic horizontal heavy is pretty good

[steep flower]

Paul will never be as good as karl heavy spam in general use; paul has advantage of the special and thats it

Was not before

Is not now

[elder vessel]

Paul doesn't do the same damage as an actual semi truck

pick does tho

[steep flower]

It is but if you’re building just for that… why not just use the shield or karl? You’ll have better results

[bold sierra]

I meannnn....on Crusher, Paul's light attack dmg is like 400ish and it's like...idk, 2x faster than Pickaxe, I'm testing the pickaxe with the highest overhead light spam dmg but like only 1k dmg. Same deal applies to heavy attacks too, Paul's overhead dmg is actually pretty insane. So it's basically just lower dmg/faster speed, or the other way around

[bold sierra]

all I know is they're all kinda the same with some different flavors tbh, some has higher skill ceiling than others but they're not THAT much different, but I'll say Shield is very nice in general for its block

I dont play Ogryn as much as the other classes, but I have played a decent amount of him, +125 levels over 30

[elder vessel]

Interjecting the Branx into this conversation

[mortal aspen]

this is actually kinda sad

power sword can do it in 3 attacks I think?

[midnight mortar]

Does he know?

[bold sierra]

i mean yeah there's a heavy in there I know that, Paul's overhead heavy is like 1.3k -> 1.6k+ too, without headtaker might I add

well, there's skullcrsuher but yeah

[elder vessel]

with Power Cycler, Cara Dmg, Elite dmg

This pick doesn't even have cara on it so I could do it in 3

[meager echo]

power maul actually not bad.

[willow prairie]

yeah it decent after buff

the biggest change is paul getting actual single target combo

you could do light light bc but paul have massive delay to blocking for shit and giggles

h3 after special is good too

[meager echo]

the only thing i hate is the slide attack. It mess up my muscle memory. I hate it so much.

[bold sierra]

Paul's lights also definitely has more stagger force than Pick's lights

[dapper coyote]

Paul... Power mauls...

So

Shock mauls is Saul?

[calm shard]

that makes the arbites shock maul Asshole

[dapper coyote]

BETTER CALL SAUL,

YOU GOT PROBLEMS WITH CARAPACE OR SCAB RAGERS?

BETTER CALL SAUL BABY

[steep flower]

Now go & fight those enemies with other elites, chaf & specials
Dmg wise its good; execution wise its mid at best

[dapper coyote]

He'll bail you out from execution by the inquisition

Somehow

[steep flower]

On karl you use special into heavy into light; its uncomparable to paul in dps, safety & speed

[willow prairie]

It's a general problem with weapon that don't have mixed horde combo

tbf

or can't switch between horde and st fast enough

[steep flower]

It does; its called 3rd & 4th light att chain together with heavies; paul struggles in st but not mixed horde unless crusher is in there - otherwise you CC everything

[torn night]

🫃

[bold sierra]

idk, I compared it to just simply light spam with Paul, with pretty damn good stagger, the thing's light spam is so fast, with Confident Strike you can just perma regen toughness. not to mention it's nicer with Brutish Strength.

tho i will admit, karl's special is great immediate stagger

[steep flower]

Ye its solid but if you wanna have more power to it you have to use power surge… or another thing i’ve discovered which has a use which is thunderstrike

[bold sierra]

i just use skullcrusher so far, but might give power surge a try sometimes idk

[steep flower]

Its more about its combo being soo fast & fluid you can use it in a mixed horde situation; paul struggles with its own light light heavy combo
As i was saying for some time now; if they add heavy overhead after 1st light att its gonna be a massive buff

[steep flower]

Always have skullcrusher; power surge allows you to always stagger crushers with shockwave; normaly you cannot

[ivory trail]

One thing good for SC with power surge, SC's debuff also apply by the blast.

[bold sierra]

honestly the light light heavy combo, push -> heavy combo are cool and all, but we really don't need it honestly. Just push 1-2 times, apply like 8 brittles on enemies in a group and just light spam, heavy spam, perma toughness regen, knock maulers and ragers around, crushers too.

Paul's got pretty damn good stagger and cleave, I think it can just survive on its own without needing any of those overhead combos. Great for certain situations, but for mixed horde, I'd just light spam and stuff.

[charred salmon]

Why do people say chain sword is good? Is it just high damage?

[steep flower]

It always could… and that special before was spammable

[steep flower]

They are coping; it got buffed but its still oof

Cause no stagger

[ivory trail]

Power surge give you 2 blast, so 2x skullcrusher

[steep flower]

On key elites like crushers

[steep flower]

Yes; and i used it before

It was broken but blast radius wasn’t

So you spammed and applied sc everytime you needed it

Ppl have no idea

How busted it was

[bold sierra]

the new dmg on the rev is great on zealot mostly, it hits that 1-shot rev heavy in H40 for Crushers with Chastise. But I'll say it needs to be buffed more.

Uncanny strike would be great

[steep flower]

Use it on arby

[bold sierra]

uncanny on chainsword would be peak with bloodletter

[steep flower]

Just like before; only arby can use chainsword to its fullest; not even zealot can

[bold sierra]

chainsword is amazing for captain's shield shredding tho

[ivory trail]

Paul special isn't that big IMO. The timer is a bit annoying honestly. I prefer old Paul spam.

[steep flower]

Exacly; light spam with it… might aswell use mk3b bully club

[steep flower]

You could get 11m radius man

Still can

[steep flower]

So is evis & chainaxe

[ivory trail]

New Paul L3L4 loop's speed buff is something new if you ask me

[bold sierra]

bully club feels slower, with less stagger tho i feel, it does have thunderous tho

[steep flower]

They added 10% att spd on the chain; its nice

[bold sierra]

well yeah, but evis is zealot's exclusive, and chainaxe has wayyy better dmg, but not as good in terms of general hordeclear compared to chainsword at least.

[steep flower]

Ye and that makes it do more dmg

[steep flower]

Chainaxe is still better than chainsword UNLESS you have a crit build then chainsword can be nasty; otherwise take chainaxe everytime

[bold sierra]

i mean Brutish Strength is a thing, but yes, i guess it does open up some things, same with Paul with not having to use thunderous

[steep flower]

Its more about brittling cara & stacking bleed

Even after batter nerf its still strong

[bold sierra]

yeah, brutish strength, 4 brittles on push

[ivory trail]

Chainsword is on the middle ground that it is alright on many things but lack the punch

[bold sierra]

yeah it'd be nice if its light rev can stagger crusher lol

uncanny would be so peak for chainsword

tap enemies with blood letter

[ivory trail]

Oh yeah, just find out something today: Thammer don't work on shield.

[bold sierra]

captain/lt shield

?

or bulwark's shield

?

[ivory trail]

Captain

[bold sierra]

i mean yeah, captain's shield has dmg cap lol

[steep flower]

It cant even stagger reapers lmao

[bold sierra]

but great thing with Thammer is it can help push that heavy charge hit pass the shield regen point, dealing more dmg

[steep flower]

810 dmg cap; twins have 6000

[bold sierra]

Thammer's charge works on LT'

shield tho

doesnt have cap

[steep flower]

Aka twins

[steep flower]

Wrong; 6000

[bold sierra]

but they have HP's dmg cap xD

[ivory trail]

Oh it is dmg cap. Never think of that. No wonder gunlugger oyg just stomp it

[bold sierra]

well wahtever it is, you can 2-shot their shield, without full thrust stacks even I think

[steep flower]

Believe me its not ‚whatever it is’; i did testing and its soo much better to know that cause it makes killing them faster

And you want to erase the sword twin as fast as possible

[bold sierra]

I'll do some testing there, cuz everytime I chastise thammer power heavy their shield, they lose like 50%+ of their shield

[steep flower]

Ye; their shields have 12k hp

6k dmg cap on singular attack

[bold sierra]

could also be other people's dmg soruces chipping in too

so looked like 50%+

but it is good, well, with Chastise

[steep flower]

200% extra melee dmg for sword twin
300% extra melee dmg for plasma twin

Knowledge is power
Use it

[azure narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-40k-warhammer-40k-dawn-lf-dawn-of-war-gif-9274783432445566798

[steep flower]

Yet another L for shroudfield; always a meme, still a meme

[azure narwhal]

True blood raven

Hmm

[azure narwhal]

Do you think even current shroudfield is worse than chastise for thammer?

[bold sierra]

nahhhh, shroudfield is so peak, nothing's one-shotting better than it. And I've full-saved my team like 2-3 times in a Havoc game once

[bold sierra]

shroudfield's wayyy better at boss-killing than chastise, but chastise does have better flexibility

they're kinda similar, with different flavors

[azure narwhal]

I mean yeah of course

Thing is though

Most shroudfield players i see

[bold sierra]

giga boss dmg

[azure narwhal]

Despite 1 shotting bosses don't hold up well on dmg consistency

But i can't say for sure

[bold sierra]

yeah ngl, most shroudfield thammer I've seen so far....kinda dont know how to play lmao

they dont rescue team, they deal dmg like shit

[azure narwhal]

For thammer though i do run shroudfield, since well, funny big dmg bonk

[bold sierra]

probably just got out of playing DS or sth lmao

[azure narwhal]

This is true too

[bold sierra]

they're so bad

[azure narwhal]

You use marty?

[bold sierra]

and I got the game above before the first hotfix since the patch, I was getting MEGA packloss

[bold sierra]

yes

[azure narwhal]

Thought so

I'm running IJ on mine, not the biggest fan of marty but i could sometime

It did get buffed so

[bold sierra]

but you only need like 2-3 stacks of martyr really, to hit them nice boss one-shot breakpoints

[azure narwhal]

Yeah understandable

[bold sierra]

and you don't need ALL +1 wounds curioses anymore, only 2 is enough

[azure narwhal]

So i've heard

[bold sierra]

1 +toughness curios is great

[azure narwhal]

If i do run marty i'll likely do the same

2 wounds 1 toughness

[bold sierra]

IJ doesnt help with shroud one-shot xD, cuz it activates after attacking lol

[azure narwhal]

Oh i am aware, not what i use it for, it's for sustain

Hordes and the like

[bold sierra]

yeah

[azure narwhal]

Since crucis has horizontal heavies

They syngergyze well with more punch and att speed

[bold sierra]

I swear tho, people gotta utilize more of its light attack, crucis's light3 is crazy good

crucis's light spam is great against maulers, ragers and even crushers in general too

it's genuinely good dmg

every thammer user I've seen after this patch only knows how to heavy spam and special heavy...seriously gotta throw in some lights and pushfollows lol

especially for certain elites and specials, or certain chaffs

[charred salmon]

What is good melee for veteran

[steep flower]

Yes

[steep flower]

Its good for bosses but thats it; vs elites you are less potent & vs prolonged encounters too due to havong just 1 charge; also extra att spd after charge is great for many weapons; shroudfield does not offer such boons

[steep flower]

Its better to powerup still; its usable and great but if you can use powerup

[hexed crystal]

What are some good weapons to snipe with ? I've been using the zarona revolver and it's been quite fun, but I feel like it might not be the best option

[steep flower]

I do more with charge

[bold sierra]

yeah I did say chastise has more flexibility, but shroud does let you just 1-shot crusher with a single light attack in the back lol, and the 75% -threat goes really hard

[bold sierra]

I mean that depends on the amount of bosses lol, I was one-shotting the majoirty of bosses, that was like 70-80% of the game's boss dmg xD

[steep flower]

Charge does too; all you need is to activate prime target

[steep flower]

Me 2

With charge

[azure narwhal]

Could try agripinaa combat shotgun

[steep flower]

And i was actualy helpful in elite waves

[azure narwhal]

You using marty as well?

[steep flower]

Cause more charges & the push that the charge does staggers ragers which you need for Thammer

[bold sierra]

aint no way you're one-shotting bosses with chastise dude, maybe against 0u1411402.2.3

dang cat

[steep flower]

Lmao no; dogshit

[steep flower]

Devious creature

[bold sierra]

burgle's weakspot SOMETIMES with chastise, then yeah

[azure narwhal]

Piety with thammer then or? Don't see hamer as a crit weapon tbh unless i'm unaware of some build

[bold sierra]

I've been thammering since the dawn of Havoc xD, even back then shroud beats out on thammer's boss oneshot

[tall torrent]

TH is not a crit weapon

[bold sierra]

not as good tho

[tall torrent]

Go martyr or IJ

[azure narwhal]

Yeah thought so

[steep flower]

Not 1 shotting no; its not about 1 shots - its about general usability

[bold sierra]

I mean yeah

[tall torrent]

Piety TH is kinda just meme

[steep flower]

Yes; its there to proc your cdr & enduring faith & scourge

[bold sierra]

TH isnt crit-focused, but extra crit dmg is still better dmg, and it's always nice to have a lot of crits for the TDR and stuff from the keystone

[azure narwhal]

I see

[tall torrent]

It’s comparatively not as good as just getting more damage

[bold sierra]

the little bit extra dmg from IJ is not at all noticeable compared to the crits you get from Piety imo, esepcially when it applies to your ranged weapons too

[steep flower]

Its for those thongs that i listed; it makes it more consistent

[azure narwhal]

Tbh only weapon i do feel IJ works really well for me on is the relic blade, i've had a fine time with it

But maybe piety can outdo it, dunno

[bold sierra]

nah relic blade is great with IJ

with the cdr weakspot hit

[tall torrent]

Piety is overall strongest keystone

[turbid ibex]

IJ also works with ranged

[bold sierra]

not as good as crits tho

[turbid ibex]

Depends on the weapon

[bold sierra]

crits on certain weapons is wayyy better than 10-20% dmg+

like inf autogun

[azure narwhal]

Would you apply that unconditionally to weapons like RB too though? Where att speed is pretty handy and crit scaling is nothing to write home about?

[tall torrent]

I play a meme build relic blade

[azure narwhal]

I mean

[azure narwhal]

Scenario where rb would have the most dps pathing

[turbid ibex]

Keep in mind that +10-20% damage is also boosting your crit damage

[bold sierra]

i mean yeah, but if u aint dealing as much criting then it doesnt matter

but most of the times u get 6-7 stacks at best lol

[tall torrent]

Crits don’t matter that much for TH itself, ur crit-weakspot does like 20% extra compared to just weakspot

Whereas IJ is just 20% extra regardless of crit

[turbid ibex]

Whats even the crit damage multiplier for thammer exactly?

[tall torrent]

It’s not good lol

[turbid ibex]

Also attack speed

[turbid ibex]

Ye but exact numbers

[bold sierra]

like I said, thammer is not a crit-focused weapon, and I did say it does have the best crit dmg multiplier, BUT it helps with cdr and tdr and piety last node, helps A LOT in survivability

[tall torrent]

If the crit mod was actually good then sure rolling for RNG to have a chance to hit much harder is good

[tall torrent]

Piety is more for TDR

CDR is not even tied to keystone anymore

And the best CDR is IJ’s path

[bold sierra]

I'll still say its crits are better than having like 7-8%+ dmg most of the times tho

[tall torrent]

It shouldn’t be 7-8% most of the time

It’s more like 15-20%

[bold sierra]

depends on the situation tbh, you're not always getting gunners shooting at you for mega stack buildup and waht not

typically you dodge around in a horde hitting enemies, you're not letting them attackign you giving you successful dodges, can build up to 8 stacks at best

and 200ish more dmg on crits with thammer (on light attacks), despite not being all the times...I think it's still better than 20%+ dmg occasionally

[hearty panther]

Impassible is my favourite new Zealot node lol

[tall torrent]

Are u using the 10s upgrade

[bold sierra]

nope

[tall torrent]

lol u should

[hearty panther]

Sometimes I'll take crit cdr just so I can reach Prime Target but yea

[bold sierra]

I mean I would

if I have more points tbh

and I prefer some other nodes than it

[tall torrent]

U should? Zealot tree is not that starved for points

Unlike vet

IJ is good only when u actually get all 3 subnodes tbh

[hearty panther]

Nah

You can pass up the toughness gen

Plenty of other good sources

[tall torrent]

8%/s passive is good

[hearty panther]

But it is very good

Yes

[bold sierra]

tbh I prefer how it worked before xD

I THINK

but whatever

[tall torrent]

They didn’t change how it worked

They just added more stuff onto it

And made the toughness node much better than before

[bold sierra]

they did, you regen toughness/s now, instead of immediate amount

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s better

Previously the toughness node basically wasn’t worth taking

Just worse second wind

[bold sierra]

EH...I think i prefer getting all of my toughness+ immediately instead of per sec, at least by a bit

[tall torrent]

On a 6s cooldown lol

[hearty panther]

10s of passive t/s is uh

Like really good

[bold sierra]

but either way, Stalwart just so much nicer for thammer

[turbid ibex]

Big

[hearty panther]

But we are spoiled for toughness now

EWEW is also really good now

[tall torrent]

I only take second wind + IJ toughness now

[hearty panther]

Second Wind continues to exist

Prime Target is a nice supplemental

Hubris is dope, not toughness but still

And cdr is improved across the board

[tall torrent]

And shroudfield DR

[bold sierra]

Prime target is nice, but I just don't like nodes that require you to kill in order to activate

[tall torrent]

Shroud’s DR actually rly good lol

[hearty panther]

8 seconds is a long time yeah

[bold sierra]

I like readily available as possible buffs

[hearty panther]

Short cd too

[tall torrent]

8s uptime for a 10-13s CD ult

lol

[bold sierra]

it's huge for when trying to trut through fire

or tox bomb

[tall torrent]

Master crafted shroudfield is good but 99% people can’t use it

The tooltip is also wrong

It’s not +5s to duration

It’s 5s duration

Up from a base of 3s

[bold sierra]

2s is huge, and yeah

master crafted is just peak

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

[steep flower]

Unless slower weapons like Thammer

[bold sierra]

75%-threat is the best part

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s still just better

Weakspot hit anything within 2s

[bold sierra]

for shroud I like the middle cdr better wit martyr

[steep flower]

Mandatory i would say

[bold sierra]

you get targeted less anyway, I ahvent had a bad time surviving AT ALL with shroud

martyr

[tall torrent]

Martyr is ok

[steep flower]

Tested it; had less upkeep on charge

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately not as good as IJ atm

If they made martyr affect impact it’d be prob closer

[bold sierra]

I disagree tbh, but that dpeends ont he player

[tall torrent]

Hit weakspot more

[bold sierra]

been martyring a lot in H40, dont think i've felt tankier.

[atomic void]

MARTY PEAK1!!!!1111

[bold sierra]

and IJ with shroud is big oof anyway

[steep flower]

Just be better 4head

[tall torrent]

No srsly if u avg 40-50% melee weakspot hit rate in scoreboard/powerDI that’s roughly 1 weakspot hit of every 2 hits

[steep flower]

Do you like glass cannon? Then use it

[bold sierra]

tbh most of the times they barely go through my toughness anyway

[tall torrent]

You have to attack slower than 1 swing every 2s to get bad uptime on it

[atomic void]

play max height characters to always hit heads without even trying

[bold sierra]

but you do have to look out for that ig

[tall torrent]

Unless u play like

[bold sierra]

then again, you dont need ALL stacks

[tall torrent]

Evis XV with the cursed weakspot detection for light sweep

Or the uppercut relic blade that has no weakspot priority for uppercut

[steep flower]

Man… even in this game being short sucks…

[atomic void]

wait

fr?

[tall torrent]

Why do u think I say mk10 is better lol

[steep flower]

Basically; when you use it - aim highier

[atomic void]

this explains why i have to actually aim that move as opposed to every other weapon in the game 😭

everything else i just swing at head level

with this mf uppercut i have to angle it and shit

[steep flower]

Its a thinking mans weapon

[tall torrent]

Vet’s mk2b falchion’s uppercut does have better detection for weakspot hit

[steep flower]

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately falchions leave a lot to be desired atm

[atomic void]

it is very satisfying to pull off

[tall torrent]

Stagger

Cleave

Damage

And many others

[turbid ibex]

Blessings

[steep flower]

Nah they’re good

[atomic void]

you know what other move that feels allergic to hitting heads

the light following push attack on crusher

[tall torrent]

Crusher push atk

[atomic void]

i also have to angle it

[tall torrent]

Also doesn’t have weakspot priority

But u can build crit and cope with it

[atomic void]

attack meant to be used to smack heads
no headshot priority

what did they mean by this

[tall torrent]

Trolling zealot players into gaslighting themselves

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-trolled-trollge-troll-success-gif-22597471

[void dragon]

First time I heard that moves can have headshot priority, can confirm: got trolled hard

[void dragon]

Is that why I feel crit crusher feels that runs better? Because headshoting with the headshot move is dumb hard?

[tall torrent]

As it turns out hitting weakspot on a mauler that’s flying backwards with an atk that doesn’t have weakspot priority is not super consistent

Who’d have thought

[turbid ibex]

Me

[void dragon]

Not ObeseFish obviously

[tame lodge]

Waiting for the day they chain mk2s sprint stab into uppercut

[dry cloak]

i got a conundrum

if longlas was ever added to darktide

then how would it work

because my only idera i las bolt action that shocktrooper does not work with

[tame lodge]

Plasma but shock trooper works on it

[dry cloak]

longlas aint a plasma

[void dragon]

Super heavy gun, you are slow as molasses and it can only shoot on fully charged shot, but it has great cleave and projectile radius

[dry cloak]

its a sniper rifle

[dry cloak]

but then it has like 20 shots total

[hearty panther]

my idea is that you equip it and hadron berates you while youre stuck sitting in the valkyrie for the entire mission for being stupid enough to bring an entire fucking sniper rifle to an CQC urban engagement zone

[void dragon]

Can 3 tap bosses, go get em boss

[void dragon]

Hey, I brought my Helbore to melee and I MEANT IT!

[red robin]

Ngl

[void dragon]

And a longlas would be a sniper mounted turret

[red robin]

Would be cool if it had a scope charge shot mechanic like sniper from tf2

[void dragon]

As per usual, there is a mod for it

[red robin]

Horrific downside of aiming is dmg but melee units will make it hell on earth

I hope blessings would be anything sniper related past surgical and deadly accurate

They fun but variety is the spice of life

[void dragon]

Hypothetical longlas has no Surgical, you are at the whims of luck with this one (it has good crit chance tho)

Also you can't pick small ammo packs while using it, because it would not recharge any ammo

[red robin]

Ngl that would be a hellish downside

If the base ammo is super low, survivalist would still make it have some uptime

[void dragon]

Survivalist seriously is something that hinders any chance to control ammo in the game

But as long as ObeseFish hate ammo in havoc it will not be changed

[hearty panther]

Battlefieeeeld

[hexed crystal]

Anyone got a good snipe build ?

[ivory trail]

Hellbore fell very lackluster. I give it some try but it never work. Not even feel good on heresy

[grand perch]

its an acquired taste but well worth it

[hearty panther]

helbore is very worth putting the time into

it will reward you

grrr twenty minutes

[grand perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1412877929590820895/image.png?ex=68ea035c&is=68e8b1dc&hm=2a3a5b08cc0c82145a7d2afb06b0aa35788c4e6cccf4065b3f1dc927a2d78b9e&

[red robin]

Semi auto vigilant and Helbore fun

MMF fun to use with them also

Marksmen Focus

[dusk phoenix]

What are vets running in Havocs these days? i dont know what gameslantern builds are worth a shit XD

[dapper coyote]

Give us sniper rifles so that we can be tunnel visioned and d i e

[tame lodge]

Sm2 lasfusil

[dapper coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-heavy-pootis-engage-dragging-gif-24947347

[charred salmon]

What are people using on veteran like duel blade or what?

[dapper coyote]

A single mauler getting to the veteran sniper

[dapper coyote]

Knoif

Fuckin shank them on the streets man

[charred salmon]

Why

[dapper coyote]

Bleeeeeeeddddd

And fast

And you can steal more EMONE from their pockets more

No enforcers or Arbites will stop you because you have the holy loicense of sanctioned stabbin from the inquisition itself

[void dragon]

Hey, I was not the one who started it! Blame magister for it!

[dapper coyote]

So go ahead and mug em captain wolfer of his pocket change

[void dragon]

I'm stealing no pocket money, I'm robbing him of all the Valkyries he owns

[dapper coyote]

Romanian Veteran

[tame lodge]

" Good " is subjective

Everything is good in my hands

[dapper coyote]

Knicks every equipment off the moebian 6.

[tame lodge]

Power Sword 6

Kills everything

[void dragon]

The real question is "what is a build that can hinder the absolute less a pepega player?" From there you can tweak to your liking

[dapper coyote]

Can't start a war without any gun

[dapper coyote]

Stealth

Spam it

Its funny

[void dragon]

Instructions unclear, tried to spam stealth but can't do it 24/7, died on the first room because gravity is too strong of a boss

[charred salmon]

Isn't it kinda annoying to have to spam clicks all the time or not too bad? It doesn't have much aoe does it?

[void dragon]

Also have like only one stealth build that feels it works, so would want another worthy of low Havoc

Knife mobility is the big seller, but it's weak spot damage is quite good so no need to spam that much all considered

[dapper coyote]

Lo and behold, Full auto mod (im not sure if it worked on melee)

Surprisingly

It can do crowds just fine

Despite the small stature of the knoifs

Also can i switch my aim to toggle instead of hold?

[tame lodge]

Mk 3/6 lights have 3 cleave