namely, the ranges you described of 20ish
#veteran-class
spark helm
Usually it'll be later in the evening. Around like maybe passed midnight is when I'll see more listing for havocs but there's no way I'm gonna be able to join because I'm just too low on havoc ladder currently.
signal garden
just give higher intensity, stagger immunity is annoying at the worst of times
spark helm
I appreciate it but I usually don't queue up with people from public discords. Too many weirdos. Got some friends that can make the time though so we'll see how it goes.
midnight wyvern
spark helm
It'll probably kinda suck at first since other friends are rusty.
signal garden
@spark helm well stop trying to request for 40's then, ive never waited more than 2 minutes if i wasnt looking for 35-40
sharp epoch
I appreciate it but I usually don't queue up with people from public discords. T...
whats the reason for that
signal garden
<a:huh_cat:1253125959075495996>
its as i said hes making a ton of excuses
midnight wyvern
lol
spark helm
you a bitch fr.
midnight wyvern
I hate it when I have help from someone I know is atleast semi competent
midnight wyvern
I am talking to you though
signal garden
so what DO i know
midnight wyvern
signal garden
"i dont play havocs, I dont talk to people, i have anxiety, im impatient, i dont deal with peopel in this discord, but im going to share my opinion anyways"
spark helm
whats the reason for that
Generally unpleasant pretty nasty people in my experience. Easy to swear off.
signal garden
"oh btw [japanese shrug mote]"
spark helm
"i dont play havocs, I dont talk to people, i have anxiety, im impatient, i dont...
That's why I said you a bitch. you just talking out your ass on my name.
signal garden
ah so a few bad people = everyone is a jerk
no youre giving a ton of excuses on why you havent done havocs
spark helm
Why do I need to not keep my peace when I just saiud I got friends setting up for havoc?
Why do you talk so much while being so dumb?
sharp epoch
Generally unpleasant pretty nasty people in my experience. Easy to swear off.
theres a way to play with people with barely any interaction just join off the fs code and its like party finder
signal garden
while disregarding other people's informed opinions
this the thing about you people who "cant stand how mean other people are"
spark helm
theres a way to play with people with barely any interaction just join off the f...
I'll run gauntlets with randoms in lobbies that's fine.
spark helm
I striclty said public discords have led me to be uncomfortable.
signal garden
and somehow other people are the problem
again "muh anxiety, everyone is bad but me"
lmao
spark helm
and youre insulting me
Don't talk wild on me and not know me and disregard everything I say.
You a bitch.
end of story
lol
spark helm
pfft
midnight wyvern
takes one to know one
tall torrent
midnight wyvern
<@197088037413322754> https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15947931621725654746/...
doink
turbid ibex
the fuck did i walk in on
spark helm
so you still a bitch but kind of funny.
signal garden
well the sooner you get over your anxiety, the better a person youll be
sharp epoch
<@197088037413322754> https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15947931621725654746/...
wow nerf
signal garden
god forbid you cope and compromise with your fellow refjects
midnight wyvern
the fuck did i walk in on
signal garden
if people suck or have shortcomings i consider it part of the larp
spark helm
god forbid you cope and compromise with your fellow refjects
I don't need to cope with people on some weird internet shit being actually terrible in a voice chat over nothing that actually matters. The fuck is you talkin about dude?
Shut the fuck up talkin on situations you don't experience and don't know. So corny
charred kraken
the fuck did i walk in on
sharp epoch
I like shroudfield a lot more than other zealot ults atm
my friend runs shroudfield its good but still puts the aggro on everyone else bad when no ogryn 😭
spark helm
Mfkers are actually hostile out here the moment they get comfortable with saying wild shit because they have a keyboard to fall back on. Of course I'm not going to be inviting that in when it happens so consistently to me lmao what?
tall torrent
my friend runs shroudfield its good but still puts the aggro on everyone else ba...
I think the shroudfield DR node actually rly good
midnight wyvern
who said you even had to voice chat lol, all someone did was say they could play the gamemode you said you wanted to do and we get this disertation on Yappenology
spark helm
Some people actually have boundaries. Crazy shit.
spark helm
who said you even had to voice chat lol, all someone did was say they could play...
I'm referring to the weirdo shit from public discord stuffs specifically heare.
sharp epoch
thats pretty good, is it ran with the martydom?
sharp epoch
or crit
signal garden
the public on the internet has a bunch of people
tall torrent
thats pretty good, is it ran with the martydom?
spark helm
If I change my mind on that, I change my mind on it. I already got people I just said htat I'm going to try havocs with you'll be fine.
signal garden
a few cringelords and sexual deviants does not the whole body make
spark helm
Okay? So what? I'm still gonna keep my peace where I can because I really don't owe it to someone else to politely just say that I don't want to run havocs with em. huh?
sharp epoch
no
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259187493266395178/142587720390384027...
inexorable on havoc seems not that good because you just lose all your stacks on a hit
tall torrent
inexorable on havoc seems not that good because you just lose all your stacks on...
no it's rly good
pretty easy to maintain 10~15+ stacks
midnight wyvern
inexorable on havoc seems not that good because you just lose all your stacks on...
wot
spark helm
It might be too hard to understand, but a boundary doesn't have to be a personal slight, nor some indication of character flaw.
The dude asked and I politely declined on top of already saying I'm covered on folk making an attempt with me so what really is the problem here?
sharp epoch
pretty easy to maintain 10~15+ stacks
ill take your word for it zealot is my least played class
signal garden
how you finna play zealot less than [the liability]
sharp epoch
theyre about the same i mainly play organ and arb
signal garden
good god
icy gulch
heya i havent really played since the big rework update, does veteran feel any different now?
spark helm
Left tree in a hard Renaissance currently. Builds that were already good got noticeable quality of life changes. It's easier to juice up what you got to bring up less used options more as well.
midnight wyvern
heya i havent really played since the big rework update, does veteran feel any d...
much worse
vet is pretty terrible now
icy gulch
im hearing 2 different answers ;-;
midnight wyvern
they're lying to you
gaslighting even
I would never do that to you
you can trust me
icy gulch
oh god
spark helm
You can also, alternatively, ignore us both and start experimenting on your own.
midnight wyvern
and arb
spark helm
Yeah
spark helm
But yeah, veteran got better with more options going up. Unsure what difficulty you play on but veteran doing pretty nice.
sharp epoch
heya i havent really played since the big rework update, does veteran feel any d...
shout and infil vet got nerfed, exe stance got buffed
melee vet got buffed though and mmf
spark helm
Marksman's Focus is far easier to manage as well.
Can just use melee to refresh stacks. No crab walk needed.
calm shard
MMF has .5 second stamina regen delay pathing
which is pretty huge for push attack spam weapons
signal garden
heya i havent really played since the big rework update, does veteran feel any d...
two words
Tax
Break
3 more words
icy gulch
idk what that means but im scared
signal garden
2 for 1
icy gulch
i just remember not liking how theres a "1 build or nothing" mentality with each class
spark helm
idk what that means but im scared
Costs way less to spread your talents.
signal garden
Basically they did what they did for ogryn
"less stupid shit where you eat points just to move from left to right"
and "bundling talents no one took to sweeten the deal"
like grenade regen comes with lucky 2x grenade
icy gulch
no more 5% stamina just to get to my more grenade spam
midnight wyvern
like grenade regen comes with lucky 2x grenade
midnight wyvern
regen is a dif node
icy gulch
i feel good. emperor provide emperor protect
oh i was being very unspecific
my b
oh this is a rework oh my
🙂
signal garden
right scavenger is more accessible for different builds
mortal aspen
no more 5% stamina just to get to my more grenade spam
yes, but also forced to take 25% ammo to get infinite ammo (shock trooper)
midnight wyvern
signal garden
this is stupid of course, because scavenger is not something you should be foregoing, given the opportunity
midnight wyvern
good place to gander at the dif trees
icy gulch
yes, but also forced to take 25% ammo to get infinite ammo (shock trooper)
i dont mind
spark helm
oh this is a rework oh my
Exestance now has merged suppression immunity and guaranteed toughness generation throughout the duration. Some core talents of the past are placed further up and easier to get access to. Things like longshot feel much better so you can lean into your shooter builds a lot more reliably.
signal garden
like FS just make ait a passive, literally no one is going to take anything else!
midnight wyvern
Exestance now has merged suppression immunity and guaranteed toughness generatio...
the class has merged suppression immunity not exe stance
spark helm
the class has merged suppression immunity not exe stance
Ah misspoke
midnight wyvern
🤝
spark helm
Thought it was off exestance
But yeah veteran eating much better. More variety, more flexibility, more quality of life checkboxes. It's great. Not perfect (nothing is), but a very strong rework ftmp
signal garden
and of course one of the stamina regen delay nodes got removed and the value added passive to vet
which is quite huge
signal garden
because vet still has below average stamina regen relay for some reason
in spite of guardsmen having superb training
spark helm
I never understood the node.
Rather, it just always seemed so specific for it to be there.
turbid ibex
because vet still has below average stamina regen relay for some reason
i mean not really
midnight wyvern
he's just old
signal garden
ok maybe psyker has a noticeably less than average stamina
turbid ibex
ogryn has 1s, zealot also has 0.75s, psyker and arb have 0.5s
signal garden
but still
yeah but ogryn has like 10 base bars
and on a class whose MO is spam LMB
turbid ibex
yeah but vet isnt really below average when it comes to stamina delay
signal garden
so you never notice it
midnight wyvern
arb being .5 still boggles my mind
signal garden
well arb are borderline superhuman anyways
midnight wyvern
who gives a fuck about the lore
signal garden
something about the schola progenium
midnight wyvern
its a game we're yapping about
spark helm
Big shrug idk. I didn't know there were stamina recovery differences at base value for classes. Never paid enough attention to that angle of the game. Usually i just give myself the stamina if I want it through a curio or two and call it a day.
hollow ibex
It’s pretty noticeable if you sprint and have to start fighting
Or PA or block a lot
signal garden
another thing is prolonged combat is designed around pushblock attacking
hollow ibex
It’s the main reason why old vet stam econ was so dogshit
midnight wyvern
Or PA or block a lot
PS enjoyers
signal garden
and that means vet cant do it for as prolonged times as arbes or zealot
and then ofc ogryn ignores this mechanic because bully club
turbid ibex
and that means vet cant do it for as prolonged times as arbes or zealot
zealot has the same delay
signal garden
yeah but they get so much TGH off of dodge and have so much DR
spark helm
It’s pretty noticeable if you sprint and have to start fighting
I kind of just have ran a lot of right tree and it's not entirely uncommon for it to play into stamina interactions. And would be a weirdo with x2 max stamina before I embraced x2/×3 toughness.
signal garden
dodge for 30% stamina is pretty yuge
spark helm
I like duck and dive so
Sometimes, I just don't have to feel it.
I'd slot it in on keystoneless builds for vet often
calm shard
DLC career
psyker
spark helm
I ignore reviews most of the time.
steel veldt
So do I, I just went to check specs for my friend who wants to get into it.
spark helm
Gamer™ takes are useless and often the source of bland, narrow criticism.
Wouldn't know what people are complaining about. Something something plasma gunners or whatever.
midnight wyvern
HD2 tier review bombing?
game bad
steel veldt
Gamer™ takes are useless and often the source of bland, narrow criticism.
Would...
Capital G gamers are truly oppressed
spark helm
Capital G gamers are truly oppressed
Oppressed by deodorant maybe.
And principled purposeful illiteracy lol
dapper coyote
I would like to ask about (somehow missing) brunt's armory.
Can i get other versions of guns other than the lightest variants?
I've been try to roll for a good HB for a while
And all i got is the light variants
spark helm
I would like to ask about (somehow missing) brunt's armory.
Can i get other ver...
They're part of your marks tab and gained by weapon masteries. It's possible to get other marks in the shop but not the armory rolls.
midnight wyvern
go to the weapon in your inventory and click on it, top right will have "marks"
spark helm
^
dapper coyote
Ahhh
midnight wyvern
can change between the marks there
dapper coyote
I see
spark helm
Mhm. It came with the unlocked and unloaded patch
dapper coyote
Didn't know what that was, i thought it was cosmetic thingy
spark helm
Yeah that's understandable.
dapper coyote
So i can just take my current HB and instantly change it to heavy and back to light?
midnight wyvern
I dont know what a HB is
dapper coyote
Ahhh
dapper coyote
I dont know what a HB is
Helbore
midnight wyvern
💀
dapper coyote
The krieg lasguns
midnight wyvern
but yes
steel veldt
Oppressed by deodorant maybe.
And by their rampant bigotry losing them women
(wdym most women don't want to be sex slaves?)
spark helm
God i remember grinding out fucking marks. >_>
Pain the ass thankfully they changed that crap
Eugh.
dapper coyote
Im steadily getting more and more dockets, slowly im maxxing on my HB mastery, then I'll go back to Ilas or Reccy
spark helm
And by their rampant bigotry losing them women
Oh nah see that's just consequences of being wilfully shitty :y
steel veldt
Oh nah see that's just consequences of being wilfully shitty :y
mhm
spark helm
Im steadily getting more and more dockets, slowly im maxxing on my HB mastery, t...
Just take your time and build stuff up. There's tricks like using your pockets for greens to sacrifice n all that too
midnight wyvern
God i remember grinding out fucking marks. >_>
Pain the ass thankfully they cha...
you still need mastery levels to use other marks lol
spark helm
It'll go by faster the less you think about it.
spark helm
you still need mastery levels to use other marks lol
Yeah but that's offset by how quickly you get those levels. At least in my mind
Idk how this system feels for people with nothing building up an arsenal.
dapper coyote
It'll go by faster the less you think about it.
ILAS FOR THE MECHANICUS GRANNY, PLASTEEL FOR HER PLASTEEL CHAIR
midnight wyvern
Yeah but that's offset by how quickly you get those levels. At least in my mind
...
my brother came back recently and proceeded to stop playing
spark helm
When I came back I think I had like
midnight wyvern
the resources in DT still suck dogass for people that don't have any
spark helm
I can see that one for sure.
mortal aspen
holy shit what happened
most people care about content, the update only gave 1 new enemy (tough, poorly telegraphed, buggy) and 1 new mortis map (who cares about mortis)
i doubt the vast majority care that the trees got better
spark helm
That's the rub with any late game crafting loop but I definitely got to experience the broke boy mines for a week or so while grinding remainder masteries.
steel veldt
most people care about content, the update only gave 1 new enemy (tough, poorly ...
wow people suck
mortal aspen
also no nerfs to the meta weapons
new vet weapon is pretty average and not a gun like some hoped
spark helm
But so much of it was easy because I think the game calculated max masteries for most of my weapons. Anything I wasn't using or barely touched took up the rest of the time.
Privileged start tbh
steel veldt
I still don't understand why anyone wants DS and Knife to be nerfed when they are only amazing because they can deal with carapace
mortal aspen
countless reasons to be dissatisfied
steel veldt
the issue is clearly in carapace
Like
do you want everyone to suck against carapace
or do you want a buff for devil's claw heavy sword whatever
It reeks of "I love the way this sucks"
mortal aspen
DS deals with every single enemy in the game and is also a very safe and mobile weapon
midnight wyvern
But so much of it was easy because I think the game calculated max masteries for...
yea it was just related to how many blessings you had unlocked in the previous thing
mortal aspen
and it's not the only weapon that's op
Power Sword deals with every enemy in the game, while also cleaving through the entire horde
steel veldt
I never see Power Sword being used
spark helm
yea it was just related to how many blessings you had unlocked in the previous t...
Mhm. I got lucky for maybe four families of weapons for most classes between ranged and melee already good to go.
hollow ibex
I never see Power Sword being used
A lot of people hate how it feels
midnight wyvern
I never see Power Sword being used
self report
spark helm
Ogryn had the least iirc.
elder void
they should just remove everything with carapace and replace them with storm vermin, i mean it works in their other game are they stupid?
steel veldt
self report
I don't play Havoc man
midnight wyvern
I know
steel veldt
I have like 100 hours
steel veldt
I wouldn't mind a nerf on DS, Knife, whatever else, what I do mind is that everyone wants them removed or nerfed into being dogshit
that's my problem
spark helm
Oh yeah. P.sword been one of the biggest players in this game for as long as i can remember.
mortal aspen
the game obviously has a power creep issue because Fatshark are scared shitless of the chinese review bombers who hate nerfs
midnight wyvern
Oh yeah. P.sword been one of the biggest players in this game for as long as i c...
yeah its always been good it just feels dogshit till you get used to it
mortal aspen
the gameplay suffers because they can't nerf anything properly
steel veldt
Chinese people have Darktide?
spark helm
Ds catching a nerf, as much as I actually like that weapon, was definitely warranted. It was always a strong weapon but limited with who could use it. When that got opened up, classes that could make it go even crazier (zealot especially) just totally trivialized things.
Eventually that'll get real stale for a live service game
steel veldt
I'd expect not due to all the gore and skulls
mortal aspen
and they instead release a patch that makes 3\5 classes like 50% stronger lule
midnight wyvern
Ds catching a nerf, as much as I actually like that weapon, was definitely warra...
in reality though, it was barely a nerf lol
olive halo
bros, what gun do you recommend for mmf? I tried a couple but I don't think I'm going about it right
fair shale
I genuinely do not think swapping poke to parry was a nerf, just raised the skill floor a little, but parry is genuinely such a cracked special ability on a melee
midnight wyvern
bros, what gun do you recommend for mmf? I tried a couple but I don't think I'm ...
Hellbore, vigiliant autoguns
hollow ibex
bros, what gun do you recommend for mmf? I tried a couple but I don't think I'm ...
Vigil IAG helbore are common picks
midnight wyvern
plasma if you're feeling extra ammo hungry
spark helm
in reality though, it was barely a nerf lol
I haven't played with that weapon since this update because I just wanted to explore other things again but I noticed it still can do the basics of what it was already meant so eh such is the rub.
grand perch
infantry las
midnight wyvern
I haven't played with that weapon since this update because I just wanted to exp...
still does everything it did before but its special is goated
incredible
spark helm
I did find it funny being in a match eith someone complaining about the ds nerfs while a whole ass zealot was still poking heads
midnight wyvern
the parry fucks hard
spark helm
still does everything it did before but its special is goated
I was surprised they actually allowed for the parry. I didn't think they had the stones.
They shut me right the fuck up
signal garden
its janky, what was wrong with the brettonian longsword type parry
spark helm
Saw some footage the other day and nodded my head
Wait BLS had a parry?
At no point did I ever use that function. Has it always been a thing?
mortal aspen
there are no weapons with the DT parry
spark helm
Well, it wasn't a special function with rapier but you know what I mean.
steel veldt
what's BLS
mortal aspen
rapier is unique in that you can use special without breaking block (and that it has a special in the first place)
spark helm
what's BLS
Bretonnian Longsword. Vermintide 2 weapon for the Grail Knight.
steel veldt
Oooh
signal garden
it has automatic block on charging a heavy
right its a seamless integration
spark helm
rapier is unique in that you can use special without breaking block (and that it...
Yeah the little gun
signal garden
you just ready a heavy attack, block a stray hit, and return with a big phat brettonian bonk
steel veldt
He mains Relic Blade and is using his Vermintide muscle memory
constantly
He still calls Trappers Hookrats
it's so cute
spark helm
It was a fun class when I finally got around to it. I like big doink damage builds that turn elites and bosses to dust
midnight wyvern
He still calls Trappers Hookrats
@steep flower group calling ragers plague rats
signal garden
and the novel concept of no ranged weapons
spark helm
Oh no
spark helm
The fucking plague rats use to give me so much grief when I was new to that game.
I kept thinking i had to parry every single swing in their combo so I'd actually mess up the parry needed and die
mortal aspen
monkes are scary and much more threatening than berserkers in dt
they teach the importance of blocking
spark helm
Yeah the little bastards actually hurt in a game that's just meaner about punishing your failed skill checks.
Cataclysm slave rat from the back?
spark helm
The last time I played was probably last year. If I'm down to delete enough things I'd like to see what that versus mode has going on now.
spark helm
Yeah I love that shit
L4d2 versus was too much fun for me to learn so I sad when the released testing for vt2 vs didn't work for me.
steel veldt
Imagine DT versus
spark helm
World #1 Scab Trapper Found Murdered
steel veldt
Exactly.
he would kite everyone and backpedal trap people
somehow Neo dodge bullets
And then solo 1v4
steel veldt
What about Hoonters
spark helm
Apprentices, merely second to their masters, the jockey.
My friends made a joke years ago when we were doing realism expert marathons. Jockeys straight up became the most dangerous thing
Jockey "The Assassin". Mobile little bastard that'll hop off a wall and scratch someone's neck open then kidnap someone else
The real danger in vs were cracked spitters.
steel veldt
Jockey ledgers
Only 2nd to Chargers
I just realised
Imagine if in DT Versus Mutants could CHOOSE where to throw you
dapper coyote
Imagine if in DT Versus Mutants could CHOOSE where to throw you
Off the cliff you go...
dapper coyote
Mutants would literally yeet every player off the map
spark helm
Off the cliff is too easy.
dapper coyote
Send him to the trapper
spark helm
Survivor players need to be reminded of their namesake.
It's not enough to kill them
You gotta drag it out. Really break em down yk?
Gotta start using hunter crouches as psych warfare before roaming to someone else.
The obvious death pits are too easy. They're thinking about it. Gotta force them out with pressure then bring them to death pits. Now that's where the real game starts. The mental
spark helm
Is this thing okay to take btw
Super common.
steel veldt
Yea wtf was that Redditor saying
"Why does nobody use Field Improvisation"
like I use it, 24/7
spark helm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
steel veldt
becuase of Serrated Blade
spark helm
I love it.
hollow ibex
I always take it for serrated blade
Take one or the other
Not both
You don’t need to take field
Improv to take serrated blade btw
steel veldt
It seems more cost effective tho
spark helm
It's down to what you're about with your build. I personally don't care about bleed anymore for veteran but field improvisation is extremely nice. Free nades for you means more problems for mobs.
steel veldt
Both are tax nodes
I love the bleed tho
steel veldt
wdym by shittiest warlock
I mean I could take Trench Fighter Drill instead?
I take Iron Will on every build
steep flower
Is this thing okay to take btw
ALWAYS TAKE IT
steel veldt
ALWAYS TAKE IT
Yeah that validates me, I trust you immensely
spark helm
wdym by shittiest warlock
Destiny 2 reference. Warlocks have an ability where they throw down a circld "well" to get health. Some special armors allow for the well to have more unique interactions. There's also a super that's just plainly a superior well that still benefits from other passive interactions.
steel veldt
Oh, I played D2 for like 2 min
spark helm
Yeah np
steel veldt
and played Hunter and the tank class
tall torrent
Is this thing okay to take btw
outside of knife, tac axe (if u take trench fighter for it) and sunder power sword
this is basically the default path down
steel veldt
because back then I thought my rogue main ass would main the titan
sharp epoch
only take field improv if you like your teammates
steel veldt
outside of knife, tac axe (if u take trench fighter for it) and sunder power swo...
Why outside of knife? I use knife
tall torrent
Why outside of knife? I use knife
for those 3 cases it's better to just take serrated blade and go down to bottom half of tree
steel veldt
I take serrated blade no matter my weapon tbh
even if I use something like a combat axe for some reason
I take my serrated blade
tall torrent
serrated is not "good"
hybrid plover
Knife, tac axe and sunder power actually validate the use of serrated
steel veldt
serrated is not "good"
That's fair, I don't plan to play Havoc
I main Knife as of now anyway
And I just like bleeding people
hybrid plover
Turns a "tax" node into a genuinely powerful one
steel veldt
Also put confirmed kill on every build
only now realised how good it is
swapped out Skirmisher for it
on my VoC build
midnight wyvern
hybrid plover
swapped out Skirmisher for it
Wait what
hybrid plover
Why skirmisher
tall torrent
Turns a "tax" node into a genuinely powerful one
it's just alr
steel veldt
Is skirmisher that good?
hybrid plover
Because skirmisher is possibly one of vet's strongest nodes
midnight wyvern
no
hes gonna try gaslight you into believing otherwise
I didn't even get to finish typing it
they're getting faster
Gaslighters all
steel veldt
I only had it on like 2 builds tbh
because 3 of them are Exe Stance builds
which is funny
becuase I never use Exe Stance
I should delete one of the Exe Stance builds
steel veldt
I guess you're right
midnight wyvern
steel veldt
(I am actually a dragon though)
Dragon spotted
opinion validated
I have free will
midnight wyvern
yeah show the class
hybrid plover
For the one that you switched skirmisher out for
midnight wyvern
toy
steel veldt
Just know I am too lazy to remake the build
and the build works fine for me
so I probably won't listen to your suggestions
midnight wyvern
who said we were gonna make any
steel veldt
Arguably I should have taken WS
because I like it more
but I decided for some reason I only will use WS if I am running the funny Infiltrate build
hybrid plover
Tbh
midnight wyvern
Boltgun IS BETTER.
depends
signal garden
50% up from 25% makes all the difference for non-ExeStance
steel veldt
you could've taken infiltrate
I actually really like Infiltrate
signal garden
swap speed that is
steel veldt
It was originally my first Vet build
midnight wyvern
I dont think ive played more than 1 match with infiltrate
hybrid plover
Its okay. But that red node on the bottom unfortunately isn't as good as it used to be. 😔
midnight wyvern
yeah gooder to switch to other red node
midnight wyvern
depends what the goal is too
steel veldt
What CQK?
hybrid plover
Ye
signal garden
yeah i dont see that being used over "30% stamina on dodge"
steel veldt
So with a boltgun
hybrid plover
Yes.
midnight wyvern
Exe Stance makes you instantly equip your ranged weapon?
yes
steel veldt
You can instantly pull it out
signal garden
its always done that yet
steel veldt
Why can't I read
signal garden
it used to reload on active
steel veldt
I always would pull out my boltgun then activate it
signal garden
and thats the real kicker
hybrid plover
yeah i dont see that being used over "30% stamina on dodge"
That's not good either tbh
steel veldt
instead of just activating it
midnight wyvern
yeah i dont see that being used over "30% stamina on dodge"
5s internal cooldown on that
hybrid plover
It has an internal cooldown
signal garden
That's not good either tbh
meh ive found use... delivering a capsule or some shit
im still choosing it over close damage, as that has never helped me reach breakpoints that i know of
steel veldt
holy shit yeah you can cancel the time to pull out the boltgun
signal garden
i dont know if you know this
but there was a time when 4x vet was the way to clear the stupid fog missions
we had the vermintide style perks
and the only thing with accceptable dps and good unit cohesion was 4x bolters because well
you would just whip out the bolter ,blam blam
press F
full ammo again
sharp epoch
it used to reload on active
though counterfire was always the better choice instead of reload instantly except for bolter
signal garden
i feel like reload on ES was built in to ES wasnt it?
odd sparrow
really miss full reload on ability
tall torrent
i feel like reload on ES was built in to ES wasnt it?
no
plain osprey
sullen scarab
does Chink in their Armor apply to melee as well, or just ranged?
sullen scarab
orchid hemlock
Context 😈
midnight wyvern
midnight wyvern
Does it apply to melee weapons at all, or nah
yesn't
sullen scarab
damnb......
orchid hemlock
Does it apply to melee weapons at all, or nah
Wait does that talent even exist anymore?
I thought they removed it
midnight wyvern
it still exists
sullen scarab
Unfortunate name and all, yes lmao
sullen scarab
orchid hemlock
Oh for MF
sullen scarab
ye
orchid hemlock
Never used it so I don't care
orchid hemlock
Tunnel vision is by far the best node
sullen scarab
yeah
orchid hemlock
And too many other points for other nodes
I've seen people make ILAS Work by taking it with rending strikes
Because one of the weaknesses of ILAS is armor pen
sullen scarab
yeah lol
i do want to give ILAS another go, but man, its so hard to whip it out nowadahs
I remember in beta/launch where the game was slower you would like pop ult and slowly pick off shooter with it
orchid hemlock
Maybe this could work?
signal garden
lets put it this way
if you combine headshots with shredder i see it being quite useful since bleed is amped by rending i think
sullen scarab
That looks good
orchid hemlock
With the MF on the rending instead
signal garden
but i dont see myself actively swinging a melee weapon and getting headshots and NOT going WS
because that sounds incredibly tedious
sullen scarab
Yeah it was more of like, a curious question lol
orchid hemlock
U can all play the objectively correct lasgun build tho 😈
sullen scarab
U can all play the objectively correct lasgun build tho 😈
https://darktide.gam...
I run this build LOL
signal garden
yeah but the counter qeustion is whther you should
sullen scarab
My friend were laughing so hard when I hit ES and everything meltrd
orchid hemlock
ES?
sullen scarab
Executioner stance
orchid hemlock
Idk about melted, but you do shoot for a long time
The strength of the build is actually the melee 💀
sullen scarab
Like we had rooms of ragers and stuff and I kept shooting infinitely and they dropped
Yeah LOL
Skirmisher exploit weakness is always top tier
orchid hemlock
You get to use recon, but also use the best Vet weapon in the game without sacrificing damage for both
sullen scarab
Exactly
It feels so good to play lmao
Walk into room, hit ult, sweep all the shooters and specials, pull out ps and slide around decapitating crushers
orchid hemlock
I still think this is still better in most game mode:
Melee I'm still testing, probably into Armor DS is better
But the idea is that Vraks turns into a monster with MF
sullen scarab
Yeah I tried that one out!
I did like it
Oh I see you changed the grenade to Krak, that's what I ended up doing when I ran it lol
The title is A+++
signal garden
shocktrooper didnt used to have an internal cooldown
once again FS thought it was too fun and did something about it
autumn sorrel
What stat do I dump for Infantry lasguns? Mobility?
viscid sparrow
But the idea is that Vraks turns into a monster with MF
I dislike Marksman Focus, because it no longer has the "you get stacks passively by crouch-walking/standing still" node, meaning aiming is the only way to get stacks...
(yes, I know its a skill issue)
I always take the Tag keystone, but I guess I could try Weapons Specialist for the first time now that the route to it has actually good and/or necessary nodes...?
desert valve
I dislike Marksman Focus, because it no longer has the "you get stacks passively...
The solution to your skill issue is to treat the game like it's a Point & Click adventure.
viscid sparrow
The solution to your skill issue is to treat the game like it's a Point & Click ...
aiming for heads with gun consistently is too hard for me, especially if the gun has any recoil...
desert valve
aiming for heads with gun consistently is too hard for me, especially if the gun...
Then use Executioner Stance.
And if you want to get stupid with it:
Get a MkIV then slap the Surgical & Deadly Accurate blessings on it with the Critical Hit & Weakspot perks.
signal garden
What stat do I dump for Infantry lasguns? Mobility?
consider dumping the ilas gun
serene bough
What stat do I dump for Infantry lasguns? Mobility?
yes
serene bough
I dislike Marksman Focus, because it no longer has the "you get stacks passively...
The stacks decay one at a time now with no movement penalty and melee weakspot kills will refresh the current stack you're at
i.e. its very easy to keep at max stacks throughout the game
hybrid plover
i do want to give ILAS another go, but man, its so hard to whip it out nowadahs
Its not that bad anymore
Well at least on vet.
But that's more because vet itself just has so much free damage to take advantage of that it also acts as a buffer for all the weapons that weren't as viable before the update
sullen scarab
Yeee
signal garden
its the shockmine effect
sullen scarab
Also axe gremlin instead of knife gremlin?!?!
signal garden
i have thingy that ignores half the problems so i can deal with the other problems
sullen scarab
I love the tacaxe
signal garden
serrated blade has fun raw damage options for dagger
hybrid plover
Melee vet build, but with focus target and onslaught goes absolutely bonkers in havoc
sullen scarab
The heavy attack to push attack loop feels so good, I don't know how to explain it
signal garden
but tacax is just good on... all the classes that can use it?
sullen scarab
It's so smooth
hybrid plover
It's the one weapon I genuinely don't recommend using weapon specialist on
hybrid plover
That's what I used for an h40 I did the other day
You can choose whatever ranged weapon u want though
But yeah, fast attacks. FT increasing damage on target and basically granting 8% damage at all times also synergizes very well with bromentum since you want to make sure you can get a lot of weak spot one shots
sullen scarab
Hell yeah, thank you sir
I'll have fun with this
i like the bleed
Is the columnus any good as an IAG nowadays? since most of the time people run the other one
tall torrent
but tacax is just good on... all the classes that can use it?
best budget melee
signal garden
@sullen scarab skill issue. But you can pay me to aim with that thing
One night I was hella tired and eyes were fatigued
And I was in a dark stage in game, and the bright white muzzle flash just put my ass out for the night
Fuck the autogun
hollow ibex
Is the columnus any good as an IAG nowadays? since most of the time people run t...
Not great still
Vraks or Agri for IAG
Are still the best options
hearty panther
proud of my lil guy, the taxe
much improved without just overshooting the mark and turning into the new bullshit FotM
sharp epoch
proud of my lil guy, the taxe
might be the next ds if ds gets the nerf
tall torrent
might be the next ds if ds gets the nerf
nah it doesn't do nearly as good as DS into carapace & unyielding
sharp epoch
all class, decent hordeclear and mobillity, ok against armor, it'll be the next mobillity option once ds is a little worse against armor. i mean it was used to solo h40
tall torrent
all class, decent hordeclear and mobillity, ok against armor, it'll be the next ...
nah it'll just be knife lol
sullen scarab
Are still the best options
What do you run on the Agripinna IAG nowadays? Flak/Maniac and Dumdum/Deathspitter?
since I'm guessing you don't need to run Crit on it like the other ones
hollow ibex
What do you run on the Agripinna IAG nowadays? Flak/Maniac and Dumdum/Deathspitt...
Yeah that works
Flak maniac unyielding
Some combo of those
Though I’d recommend always taking flak
hybrid plover
Is the columnus any good as an IAG nowadays? since most of the time people run t...
I like it personally.
It isn't necessarily the best in numbers but it's controllable and there's some value to the damage drop off not being as steep as vraks
Really easy to hit heads with.
sullen scarab
I'll try it out, it's always been my favorite for sound effects lmao
tall torrent
it's good
hybrid plover
I mean i did a havoc 40 with it so it's usable enough for that.
sullen scarab
that's true LOL
tall torrent
it's basically "what if the vraks mk5 infantry autogun was actually balanced"
tall torrent
ya
hybrid plover
Yes. Because crit stringing.
sullen scarab
oh yeah quick question on tacaxe, unarmored/flak is for hitting breakpoints right
on bruisers?
tall torrent
oh yeah quick question on tacaxe, unarmored/flak is for hitting breakpoints righ...
just unarmored
u don't have to run flak on it
I run carapace
hybrid plover
oh yeah quick question on tacaxe, unarmored/flak is for hitting breakpoints righ...
Ye
sullen scarab
i knew you told me unarmored last time
does the Agripinna MKI rely on crit stringing, or is it just the vraks and columnus?
tall torrent
does the Agripinna MKI rely on crit stringing, or is it just the vraks and colum...
just the latter
hollow ibex
it's good
I hate it. Too Vraks pilled. Everytime I have to hold the trigger for a bit longer than I’d expect because I’m using a Columnus, not a Vraks 
tall torrent
huh, I thought the super fast firing one needed crits
just vraks & columnus
sullen scarab
oh ok LOL
tall torrent
agripinaa mk1 doesn't rly need crit
sullen scarab
i understand
tall torrent
2-string is meh
sullen scarab
my brain is expanding
sullen scarab
Ye
I'm guessing you put UNyielding on the tacaxe because you have onslaught for carapace
tall torrent
@hybrid plover do u think melee atk reach is important in guide
hollow ibex
What’s the range difference between say relic and knife?
sudden cedar
@hollow ibex Quite substantial.
tall torrent
What’s the range difference between say relic and knife?
large?
sharp epoch
@tall torrent does plasma penetrate through crushers?
hollow ibex
Well yeah, just wondering if you have exact distances
fair shale
agripinaa mk1 doesn't rly need crit
To this day I still have no idea what blessings to actually put on a Mk1
hollow ibex
And if a lot of weapons have the same range
hollow ibex
To this day I still have no idea what blessings to actually put on a Mk1
Dum dum deathspitter
Or DD Sustained Fire
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> does plasma penetrate through crushers?
no
cannot cleave through carapace
fair shale
I swear it could
sharp epoch
thats what I thought from gameplay
bulwark shields stop it too pretty sure but still do some damage
tall torrent
bulwark shields stop it too pretty sure but still do some damage
yes
it can dmg bulwark on hitting shield
but won't penetrate bulwark if it hits shield
fair shale
So you're telling me
Plasma can pen like 3 feet of solid concrete
But not a crusher
sullen scarab
meat confirmed stronger than concrete
tall torrent
But not a crusher
carapace blocks cleave
tall torrent
Plasma can pen like 3 feet of solid concrete
terrain penetration is a separate stat from cleave
sullen scarab
is ilevel 410 curio with +17% toughness actually 17% toughness?
tall torrent
is ilevel 410 curio with +17% toughness actually 17% toughness?
yez
sullen scarab
royal hollow
What to dump on autopistol?
hybrid plover
<@109528432425062400> do u think melee atk reach is important in guide
Honestly, yes.
Especially since some people don't realize how long the reach is on some attacks
Like mk6 knife push atk
hybrid plover
I'm guessing you put UNyielding on the tacaxe because you have onslaught for car...
Believe it or not
I dont
Because bring it down
I'd rather have the tac axe be more consistent for horde clear since I already have a damage buff to unyielding on top of focus target also debuffing them
hollow ibex
What to dump on autopistol?
Mobility
willow canyon
How much damage does a sniper do in auric?
tall torrent
How much damage does a sniper do in auric?
122.5 health
1225 toughness
tame lodge
Easily tankable 
hybrid plover
makes sense
If you really want. I'd imagine carapace working out if only because you hate crushers
I was running flak because of 21st moebian modifier
foggy rune
I kinda like chainsword
Use the chainaxe instead for no reason at all
willow prairie
if only chain axe good
tall torrent
Honestly, yes.
Unfortunately it seems rather complicated
hybrid plover
Unfortunately it seems rather complicated
I had a sneaking suspicion it would be.
Especially given all of the factors around melee reach down to even something like latency affecting it.
I mean if it's not exactly a reasonable metric to measure, 🤷♀️
It is what it is.
People just gotta figure some things out on their own.
hollow ibex
Yeah I mean ranges is mostly just a vibe thing imo
hybrid plover
Really it's just more for those cases where the animation really deceives you on how much the reach of that attack actually is
Like again mk6 knife push attack actually having some considerable reach
More than you'd think at first glance.
Eviscerator vanguard lights having... surprisingly short reach
hybrid plover
Combat shotgun blessings? For accatran
Depends on ur keystone
I run manstopper + flechette on mine for ws
Full bore and No Respite can work but it's not nearly as consistent on accatran.
Fire Frenzy + Deathspitter and
Scattershot + Flechette also work
If you're not using ws, which honestly, accatran doesn't feel that good on other keystones
Oh, and scattershot and manstopper if you really just want it as a horde clearer without ws
sullen scarab
If you really want. I'd imagine carapace working out if only because you hate cr...
Was wondering if I should run unarmored/Carapace or unarmored/unyielding honestly
hybrid plover
Was wondering if I should run unarmored/Carapace or unarmored/unyielding honestl...
I would say unarmored/carapace only because serrated is there.
Bleed does considerable damage to unyielding
sullen scarab
ahhhh ok
i had no idea
excellent
and yeah I mostly run aurics so its crusher spam that's super annoying lol
hybrid plover
Ye. Bleed is weird. It hurts maniacs and unyielding enemies real hard
But ironically
tall torrent
Just maniac
sullen scarab
doesn't it help stack brittleness from onslaught as well?
hybrid plover
Im p.sure it also does pretty reasonable damage to unyielding too with onslaught in the mix
sullen scarab
yeah
hybrid plover
I mean, I wasn't exactly wrong.
Just that maniacs is the only enemy that bleed damages in full.
sullen scarab
is adm average damage per minute?
hybrid plover
Armor damage modifier
tall torrent
sullen scarab
ahhh ok
hollow ibex
How do you even get 31 burn stacks 
hybrid plover
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1425956264277446667/ch...
That's a got damn power sword thougg
sullen scarab
Does the bleed stack brittleness from onslaught onto carapace units?
hybrid plover
Of course the bleed ain't doing much when the sword itself is just going to nuke it out of existence.
sullen scarab
LOL
tall torrent
That's a got damn power sword thougg
I can do it with a rashad and it'll be like 5% of total
bleed + brittle for monster dps is just MASSIVELY overrated by people who pretend to understand game mechanics
and by those that don't understand what weapons are actually good vs which enemies
hybrid plover
Yeah. But those are the slow hard hitters.
Tac axe innately isn't the best against unyielding so the bleed does at least help as a second channel of damage
That and focus target increasing all damage actually does result in decent perfomance.
sullen scarab
does putting +unyielding on the tacaxe help with the bosses to a noticeable degree, or nah
tall torrent
does putting +unyielding on the tacaxe help with the bosses to a noticeable degr...
yes but like
it's not gonna be a top performer by any stretch
hybrid plover
does putting +unyielding on the tacaxe help with the bosses to a noticeable degr...
Honestly. When I used it, while it helps
It's no deal breaker.
tall torrent
ur crit-weakspot overhead heavy atk does less than half of a non-crit weakspot hit from power sword
we live in a society
sullen scarab
hybrid plover
You're better off putting that perk to something you know is going to increase your performance across the board
tall torrent
just do carapace tbh
I think with this patch, carapace and flak's value went up as perks
hybrid plover
Whether it be cara to deal with crushers or flak to deal with more mixed hordes
tall torrent
basically every weapon that wanted unarmored before the patch sorta still want unarmored
sullen scarab
Yeah, I'll go with Carapace haha
Thanks guys, helped a ton
I'll just shoot the bosses
tall torrent
also @hybrid plover did u see this I posted earlier
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15947931621725654746/605C4AF36B366BA3FC7E3F20D6820D39FF1C21BC/
hybrid plover
U don't even need to
hybrid plover
also <@109528432425062400> did u see this I posted earlier
https://cdn.steamuser...
Holy shit.
I didn't know shroudfield could actually make relic do that now.
sullen scarab
Holy shit
tall torrent
Holy shit.
hybrid plover
Hmm.
dusk osprey
the tail clipping thru the wall threw me off so hard i missed the onemag
tall torrent
it's a hybrid frontliner
hybrid plover
Yeah I think I need to try that.
hybrid plover
Honestly.
hybrid plover
It's not shroudfield itself i find much issue with
hybrid plover
It's Mastercrafted that gives me conniptions
tall torrent
mastercrafted is good but I sorta prefer the DR path
and tbh shroudfield is just for that 1 big alpha strike
hybrid plover
Even with the cool down nerf, that lower threat is so easy to spam and misuse and cause problems.
tall torrent
flak, carapace, cranial for relic blade
I run leakage as 2nd blessing
sullen scarab
Which blade is that one?
tall torrent
mk10, the better one
hybrid plover
The good one
sullen scarab
Ok I figured lol
hybrid plover
I really wish the other one's uppercut had hit box prioritization
tall torrent
flak, carapace, cranial for relic blade
I run leakage as 2nd blessing
can do wrath but it's kinda boring
hybrid plover
It would be so much better.
tall torrent
and the issue is that relic blade just meh vs carapace mixed horde cuz no perfect strike or sunder
if it had either it'd be so good
tall torrent
Even with the cool down nerf, that lower threat is so easy to spam and misuse an...
also that DR node gives 50% toughness whenever u ult
hybrid plover
And yet
Infiltrate
30% TDR for 5 seconds
On a 45 second cooldown
Make it make sense Fatshark!!!
I mean I guess it also fully replenishes toughness but like, in regard to everything else Shroudfield does
tall torrent
also shroudfield allows u to backstab with horizontal energized sweep and it kills like 3 ragers in 1 hit lol
hybrid plover
I'm surprised they didn't just bake that into Infiltrate too at this point.
hybrid plover
also shroudfield allows u to backstab with horizontal energized sweep and it kil...
I used to do this with Evi way back when I first started playing consistently lol
When I crutched way hard on stealth zealot
That was also when you could just instantly get your ult back with pious
tall torrent
It would be so much better.
also u do need flak + a bunch of dmg buffs to make captain 1 shot possible on relic blade if not going martyr
but martyr feels like ass compared to IJ
relic shroud is not getting any monster 1 taps tho
hybrid plover
I like martyr with chorus specifically
tall torrent
u do at best like 1/2 their health bar
which is still pretty good
but it's not gonna win any awards
hybrid plover
It's serviceable. Usually there's three others attacking the monster so it'll just make the job easier.
Usually.
hybrid plover
Not huffing copium whatsoever
I'm glad that's the one enemy they decided not to up the health for with the shield gating
hollow ibex
also u do need flak + a bunch of dmg buffs to make captain 1 shot possible on re...
Typical Marty win
hybrid plover
Captains would be so obnoxious to fight
tall torrent
Typical Marty win
unfortunately still mogged by IJ
if martyr gave strength instead of dmg it'd be so much better
would help with stagger and cleave
mortal aspen
the new zealot with the right keystone actually has some good consistent passive toughness regen
hollow ibex
What are the buffs that IJ has over Marty again
mortal aspen
really tempted to try it
hollow ibex
Besides dodge
tall torrent
What are the buffs that IJ has over Marty again
+20%Tdmg
+20%Tatk speed
+10% dodge distance
+10% dodge speed
+8% max toughness/s
martyr is
+50%Mdmg
+30%Matk speed
u do get more TDR but u will have less toughness so it's not that diff in the end in terms of effective toughness
and the toughness gain modifier is nice but not as good as passive toughness gain
tall torrent
that 30%dmg diff is also smaller than u think because it adds onto other dmg bonuses
hollow ibex
Better dodge is also just a bit less valuable on zealot
tall torrent
nah it matters a lot
hollow ibex
When you have an I win button that’s constantly up
tall torrent
it's the same dodge buff like vet's WS
except it works all the time instead of only from weapon swaps
hollow ibex
+20%Tdmg
+20%Tatk speed
+10% dodge distance
+10% dodge speed
+8% max toughness/s
Realistically you’re also not going to be on max stacks
tall torrent
Realistically you’re also not going to be on max stacks
15+ is ez
hollow ibex
I average 15-16
tall torrent
still good enough
hollow ibex
So factoring that in too
tall torrent
the important stuff is dodge speed
hollow ibex
Don’t really think IJ is a clear winner
tall torrent
makes all the difference
hollow ibex
I can see it being better in havoc
tall torrent
Don’t really think IJ is a clear winner
it wins from having more versatile buffs + lower point cost
hollow ibex
Where survivability is important
tall torrent
keystone themselves they're equal cost (keystone + 3 subnodes)
but martyr requires extra spec
hollow ibex
But otherwise nah
void dragon
Hey @tall torrent , how bad would be for a zealot to branch into grievous wounds for a Thammer so it has the stagger to can actually interrupt rager's combos with it's sweeping heavy attacks? Aside from the stamina aura I mean.
tall torrent
Hey <@366562874039992331> , how bad would be for a zealot to branch into grievou...
Well
Point cost will be bad
But also, even when it can stagger, it’s not gonna kill them fast cuz the weapon’s maniac damage is ass
void dragon
Well
Point cost will be bad
But also, even when it can stagger, it’s not gonna k...
Yeah, but at least you are alive!...maybe
(Gosh darnit MorbidlyobeseShrimp, buff that damned thing!)
Ty for the answer mate
covert fable
Is solo play fixed
faint forge
Recommended Blessings for Plasma gun?
tall torrent
Recommended Blessings for Plasma gun?
Gets hot
Rising heat
hybrid plover
Don’t really think IJ is a clear winner
The sole fact that Marty requires you to be low health to take advantage of it is kinda what puts IJ ahead in most cases imho
I can see an argument for Martyrdom synergizing well with chorus particularly but for anything else, I'd rather do IJ because the extra survivability and lack of need to fight on the edge does work in its favor for the other abilities
Chorus is an exception because of golden toughness.
sharp epoch
wow the new cosmetic 10/10
calm shard
not new
calm shard
The sole fact that Marty requires you to be low health to take advantage of it i...
pffsh if I needed health I wouldn't be a psyker main
give me that attack speed I'm going combat axing
eswpecially now that marty also gives toughness replenishment ontop of the stupid damage, TDR, and attack speed
who needs actual HP when you can have so much effective HP instead?
hybrid plover
Me watching the Marty player go down five fucking times in the first half of the map because they keep taking chip damage
sullen scarab
lmaooo
tame lodge
Well
In the past
But not too much in the past
9 wasn't worth running because you could just go 7 and have a better time
sullen scarab
oh yeah the fast firing one
tame lodge
That's 2b
sullen scarab
i hate how they changed the names lol
yeah
I remember previously the "medium" one was best
out of the slower ones
since the slowest one was too slow
I guess I'll have to try out the IIb then lol
hollow ibex
Me watching the Marty player go down five fucking times in the first half of the...
Jokes aside Marty is super forgiving on auric, idk about havoc though
hybrid plover
Jokes aside Marty is super forgiving on auric, idk about havoc though
The consequences of balancing around Havoc have been catastrophic
Havoc is super unforgiving for Martyrdom because taking chip damage is significantly easier.
And that's the thing that kills Martyrdom
But Auric?
hybrid plover
I mean. Anything works on Auric.
sullen scarab
I need to be better at martyrdom, my ass always gets some random chip damage lmao
spark helm
Just keep sharpening your fundamentals, I'd say.
eternal venture
Martyrdom works in havoc, but you need to play clean
Can't just mush your face into blobs of crushers
spark helm
Have tangible goals for your missions and tighten those up over time as you can.
sullen scarab
yeah I just need to get better at the fundamentals, just not used to having like 25 hp lmao
eternal venture
I like how even with the Exe buffs, you usually just bring VoC + Kraks to havoc anyway
as vet
I mean anyone with eyeballs and a brain knew that the havoc meta wasn't going to shift very much
sharp epoch
I think exe is better than voc especially with the changes to enemy hp
spark helm
yeah I just need to get better at the fundamentals, just not used to having like...
Start with something like running missions and practicing taking as few hits as possible from hordes. Some hits are negligible and it's whatever but what I'd say to go for with that mindset for example is "how do I proactively give up health to gain benefits more deliberately as opposed to just getting hit."
eternal venture
Your average Rotten Armor match is 40-60 minutes of kiting backwards as you chuck kraks at the crushers
Exe actually is really good now, too, yeah
It's really just Rotten Armor and Purple that are a problem
sharp epoch
contaminated stimms is my opp, rotten armor and purple get melted by good psykers
eternal venture
stimms can be absolutely nasty
If you get unlucky and have to kille 3-4 blue ragers on you
sharp epoch
if your immobile you literally just get shredded by them and you cant do anything
eternal venture
Blue Bulwarks suuuck too
sharp epoch
apparently they got more hp than a lieutenant
meager echo
skirmisher is pretty much mandatory now, once you get used to it, it pretty much 4 stacks all the time.
hollow ibex
Finally vet getting the arbites treatment
warm schooner
Yeah skirmisher is super easy to keep active with the new changes
willow prairie
man vt2 after darktide is something