veteran-class

[tall torrent]

It has crit string of 3

[thorn lark]

all right

[sudden cedar]

Good to have confirmation on that.

[tall torrent]

Also take rending strikes with it
Helps flak, maniac and unyielding ADMs

One of the few guns to actually get good benefit with rending

[fervent quest]

if you have Serrated Blade will a chain axe rev inflict multiple bleeds? I'd test myself but not home rn

[tall torrent]

no, only once

[sterile wadi]

So how about that Lasrifle

[turbid ibex]

we have like 3 of them

[sterile wadi]

How bout it

[turbid ibex]

who about it

[steel veldt]

enlighten me Vet chat

[turbid ibex]

ok

[steel veldt]

when Cutthroat says "GIVE THE THE OL' KASRKIN DOUBLE TAP!"

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/caseoh-flashbang-renza-gif-3499959455427823758

[steel veldt]

who are those people

enlighten me on lore

[sterile wadi]

The Karskins?

[steel veldt]

Yeah

[turbid ibex]

its actually a typo

they meant to say "car skin" as in car cosmetics for hit game rocket league

[sterile wadi]

They are like special force guardsmen

Like the Scions, if you know what those are

Iirc they might have some biological mods but I might be wrong on that

[steel veldt]

never heard of the Scions

tbh

[sterile wadi]

Theyre sorta the same, but they love using hotshot las-guns

They do lots of behind enemy lines stuff

[steel veldt]

Are those the snipers?

[sterile wadi]

No

Imagine a lasgun but needs a cooling backpack / ammo backpack because its beefed up

[steel veldt]

So the average Infiltrate gamer when he has grenades

PREPPING STEALTH STRIKE! throws 20 fucking grenades

[sterile wadi]

Yeah

Except lorewise the Karskins are like

The grenade versions of the scions

Problem?
Grenade
👍

The scions get rented by the inquisition alot also

If I remember

[steel veldt]

amazing

I still love Darktide's wonderful gameplay of being a stealth character who throws grenades.

[sterile wadi]

Karskins are also exclusively Cadian

While Scions are any

[steel veldt]

Cadians are the best tbh.

[torn night]

🫃

[sterile wadi]

Not fond of Cadians

[narrow frost]

thought you said Canadians

[sterile wadi]

Read about the Chem Dogs

[steel veldt]

Savlar Chem Dogs?

What about 'em?

[sterile wadi]

Read about em

They're neat

[serene sage]

Cadians huffed too much copium after they lost their planet imo.

[sterile wadi]

I love Penal Legions

[tame lodge]

Savlar Chem Addicted Dogs

[spark helm]

What's the deal with Catachan?

[turbid ibex]

space australia

[tame lodge]

Death World

[spark helm]

What are those?

[turbid ibex]

i think the name is pretty self explanatory

[tame lodge]

Extremely hostile place

[spark helm]

I prefer specifics tbh.

[spark helm]

How's that decided?

[tame lodge]

The imperium goes there and decides that the place is too dangerous for widespread human colonization

Either the environment wants to kill you
Or the fauna/flora

[turbid ibex]

sometimes both

[tame lodge]

Catachan is covered in jungles

So the fauna and flora just wants to kill you

So basically every human born there

Either die

Or become super human

They are like

Vietnam inspired

But currently the best jungle fighters are Brazilians

[sudden cedar]

Catachan Jungle Fighters are sometimes called Baby Ogryns

[tame lodge]

So it's definitely a Brazil reference

https://tenor.com/view/brasil-mentioned-brasil-mentioned-brahma-anime-gif-15357834161136461942

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-brasil-brazil-hexa-copa-do-mundo2022-gif-27190567

[crimson wyvern]

what has saul goodman go tto do with brasil

or is that the joke

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-kazuma-brazil-flag-gif-16314578572881327907

[smoky sapphire]

if cadians are the best, then why did they fail defending cadia

[steel veldt]

Shiiiiiiiiiit good question

[smoky sapphire]

now they're not cadians anymore they're just ns

[plain osprey]

"you shut your mouth or i'll shut it for you"

[muted valley]

"You come over here and say that!"

[hybrid plover]

I am starting to realize, vet has enough damage that you don't actually need weapon specialist for a melee heavy build anymore

[sharp epoch]

it still has a lot of buffs for one point

pretty valuable point

[plain osprey]

Best part of the update was looking at all the zealot faces realizing that vet can do more melee damage than them now

[hybrid plover]

True.

But then you have focus target.

[plain osprey]

DONT MESS WITH THE GUARD

[hybrid plover]

I didn't realize how much focus target could do for a melee build until yesterday tbh

[sharp epoch]

Is it just one point into FT?

[hasty burrow]

can anyone recommend the best combat blade vet build? i want to melt shit

[tall torrent]

elite "special forces" cadian soldiers

[steel veldt]

Oh

[orchid hemlock]

No

😞

[tall torrent]

they wear better armor (carapace), have access to better weapons & better training and are deployed in the worst battle zones

they're basically the strongest a regular human can be in 40k without mutation/augmentation

[hybrid plover]

Two points

[steel veldt]

Damn

[hybrid plover]

One for the actual keystone and the bottom right subnode for the extra damage on kill

Might adjust it to get the node for 6 stacks

But I was doing crazy damage with a taxe on a monstrous specialist

[tall torrent]

meh

[hybrid plover]

Think its not all that worth?

[tall torrent]

yea

[hybrid plover]

I was struggling to figure out what I'd actually want to trade since I'm using a lot of the damage nodes on right side too

[tall torrent]

vet has too many good talents elsewhere

[hybrid plover]

Yeah that's what I was suspecting.

[tall torrent]

I think taking all other dmg talents + all toughness nodes

is higher priority

and even if u have all of them

the 2 grenade upgrades are still better lol

[hybrid plover]

I was smoking on this build so I'm not pressed for the grenade nodes

[sharp epoch]

you think taking all grenade nodes is worth it for krak

[tall torrent]

grenadier prob not worth

[sharp epoch]

replaced with out for blood or 25% toughness?

[tall torrent]

25 TGH
and serrated over field improv if sunder power sword
it's what I run

[sharp epoch]

Field improv has helped in a clutch on h40 multiple times so I want to keep that at least

[tall torrent]

then yea basically just same build

[sharp epoch]

alr alr

[tall torrent]

exe/voc interchangeable

[sharp epoch]

VOC you still one tap flak gunners?

[hybrid plover]

Mk6 is ur best bet

[tall torrent]

no

well

it's rng

crit-weakspot + a bunch of buffs up

[sharp epoch]

probably have to stack skirmisher and the weapon swap

[tall torrent]

with exe stance it's less rng

but still rng

[meager echo]

I think out for blood is better than the second 25 flat tougness.

[hybrid plover]

But honestly, in terms of build, main perks are usually flak + unyielding but if you have bring it down, can trade unyielding for unarmored for better horde clear

[meager echo]

It's all about replenish gold anyway.

[sharp epoch]

I find I can one tap them if I got agile engagement up whoch is easy to proc, I don't need skirmisher or crits always

or high heat is pretty consistent

[tall torrent]

I like 25 tgh a lot more
given that vet has the worst CDR, gold doesn't last forever

[sharp epoch]

25 toughness would be better on exe stance too compared to o4b

[tall torrent]

25 tgh is just very generalist and there's no case where it scales bad

[meager echo]

25 base toughness is very strong in h40

[sharp epoch]

though havoc 40 that just means like what 12 more toughness

or is it actually 25+

[meager echo]

It's scale way more than 17% toughness curio

[tall torrent]

havoc's toughness penalty at most is -45 to base
with max from vet tree u have 165, so it becomes 120 base
if u miss one 25, u have 140 so it becomes 95 base
ur toughness curio/perk scale from this base value

lets say u run a +17% and three 5% perks, for +32% (which I run personally)
at 120 base u get 158.4
at 95 base u get 125.4

30 diff

[sharp epoch]

wow thats a lot

I have around like 119 toughness in h40 sob

[tall torrent]

there's 1 niche toughness breakpoint

plasma gunner shot 130 dmg with 3x toughness multi
if u have iron will, max toughness and have max coherency with close order
u need 131 or more toughness to be able to not have toughness break from 1 shot

[meager echo]

I don't even try to fight aggressively without gold in h40, too risky. With gold you can get away with anything.

[sharp epoch]

I might drop extra ammo for that 25% toughness now

[meager echo]

Btw you can check your toughness and hp with solo play mod.

[tall torrent]

it's 25 toughness, not 25%

[sharp epoch]

oh yeah, also could swap out skirmisher because other than initial fights I find I dont utilize it that well

[meager echo]

it's very strong, and easy to keep 4 stack

[sharp epoch]

sometimes I gotta slide side to side to keep it up which is annoying

[gray anvil]

How do yall feel about the infantry lasgun theese days i used to love them but they kinda feel useless compared to the other 2 lasguns nowadays recon melts everything with infernus and the hellbore keeps decent firing speed and can still deal with crushers while the infinitry just kinda exists

[meager echo]

dodge slide during 3rd hit of ps is just enough for all your dodge to comeback again.

so you get 1 dodge and 1 dodge slide with every special activation.

[orchid hemlock]

ILAS has Ghost

[sharp epoch]

it just breaks my timings when I'm kinda forced to slide randomly

idk

[meager echo]

It's very awkward initially but you get used to it very quick.

[gray anvil]

I mean yeah but gold toughness + gunner resist is usually enough to power through gunner crowds which i bring pretty much every run

[orchid hemlock]

Nothing can prevent gunners in havoc

Nothing

Except ghost

[gray anvil]

Tbh i dont have a consistent group for havoc so I stick to auric

I dint feel like getting off work and spending 3 of the 5 hours i got looking for a team lol

[orchid hemlock]

It is conditional so the question of whether it's worth it it's debatable

But that's ILAS strength

It's also the second most ammo efficient lasgun in the game

[sharp epoch]

it takes like 5 minutes unless your picky or its really late

wait unless if your low clearance just host your own

[orchid hemlock]

ILAS is also one of the few range weapons that kills mutants quickly

[sharp epoch]

lowest ttk is rock🙂‍↕️

[orchid hemlock]

The problem with ILAS tho is the rending

I wonder if going rending AND onslaught can fix it 🤔

I know it's heavy cope but I'll take what I can get 💀

[tall torrent]

it's still pretty generous tbh

[sharp epoch]

Yeah I want to run power di to see how much value and uptime some of these talents are getting

[tidal tartan]

dooes this game go into decimals for toughness curios? like is the true value of this 17.06 toughness or something and a 420 power one would be 17.23?

[sharp epoch]

yeah I think if it's like 410 curio its 16% rounded up

[tidal tartan]

good 2 know thanks papa

[meager echo]

It's very hard to estimate correctly because you get full stack from running from place to place. During combat you only need to reset it once every 10 second. It's awkward but very strong buff.

[tidal tartan]

Just dash slide once every ten seconds for a +30% damage buff on one talent

[meager echo]

Skirmisher up time is low when fighting bosses, unless it's captain or lt then it's very easy to keep 4 stacks all the time.

[tidal tartan]

I constantly use recon lasgun and just dash slide every now and then to keep it stacked

[sharp epoch]

I got the clunkiest build plasma + ps sob

[tidal tartan]

fatty fat fat

yeah my skirmisher uptime was legit horrible when I started using it but I'm building the muscle memory

[willow prairie]

bruh i just doored 2 boss in havoc but steam recording not working

😭

[tidal tartan]

rip

[willow prairie]

that shit was mad funny

[sharp epoch]

doorings pretty cheap but I suppose its similar to knocking them off

[willow prairie]

anyway vet good

[tidal tartan]

this thing is awesome as a secondary defensive weapon being able to stand there and parry bosses with no issue is very nice utlity for a ranged build + skullcrusher access ezpz

Krak + a few slaps into unloading

[willow prairie]

yeah it suck as actual melee unfortunately

[tidal tartan]

the flak damage specifically sucks but I use recon lasgun for them 100% of the time regardless so idc

[meager echo]

Lots of fun weapon get invalidated because of crushers and armour spam. Every time crushers show up I get frustrated for not bringing anti-carapace to deal with them in a timely manner.

[sharp epoch]

the zealots name 💀

[tidal tartan]

very true but I do think there should be a niche for weapons that suck as armor but are better otherwise to use specifically alongside anti armor/elite ranged weapons

[sharp epoch]

I think the problem is proper ranged anti armor weapons which dont eat all your ammo, only one I can think of thats okay is helbore

[tidal tartan]

dclaw can't do abolute shit to a crusher but has all the utility I want from it in my build

recon lasgun is anti armor if you're not a pussy

[meager echo]

Unless you go exe stance, Hellbore crusher ttk is kinda slow.

[sharp epoch]

yeah its only okay at it

[tidal tartan]

I use exe stance exclusively rn

[sharp epoch]

So basically vets forced to take an anti armor melee, ds or ps choose your poison

or knife I guess

[meager echo]

The problem with helbore is that gun need you to hit heads consistently.

body shots dmg is too low and no stagger.

[plain osprey]

Also primary fire on hellbore feels weirds. Its ads or nothing

[tidal tartan]

idk helbore aint bad

[sharp epoch]

doesnt provide much utility to the team other than not consuming ammo if you run exe stance too

[tidal tartan]

oh I forgot to stack skirmisher too

[sharp epoch]

thats mmf fully stacked and every buff on it and only auric 😭

[meager echo]

It's very strong, for specialist sniping and reapers kill.
It's 2 body shots most specialist.
The prolem is if elite gunners or shotgunners standing far away, you have to hit head ( 2 shots). If you body shots them it become 4 or 5 shots.

[tidal tartan]

you definitely do not need to hit 2 headshots

that is very fake news

[meager echo]

oh I play mark V, voc not exe stance.

If we compare helbore to other low skill weapon like plasma gun or bolt pistol. You 2 shots body shot elite gunners most of the time. 1 shot head shot with crit.

[tidal tartan]

no exe

[sharp epoch]

low skill 😔

[tidal tartan]

there the mkV doesnt kill without MMF

but I genuinely can't think of a reason to play a helbore without MMF

[sharp epoch]

I've seen FT builds, but idk that was before they buffed MMF this patch

[meager echo]

I mean it as low skill floor. Not as in players using them are not skillfull.

[sharp epoch]

I'd argue every weapon is just point in click, some just have more hoops, helbore has charge mechanic, plasma has heat, revolver and bolt pistol don't really have any

[foggy rune]

I'm new to vet what do I put on plasma gun?

[meager echo]

Some weapons are more forgiving. Like bolt pistol and plasma gun you can just get away with 2 body shots.

[sharp epoch]

true

[meager echo]

And you stagger them as well.

[pseudo fiber]

unarmored, flak, gets hot, rising heat

[meager echo]

If you get map that have gunners standing far away like silo cluster first section, it's very hard to hit head consistently.

[tidal tartan]

that's why you use recon + exe stance to have 20 tries to hit the head

[meager echo]

Everytime I use helbore to shoot something far away, I get remind that I'm suck at aiming

[foggy rune]

Unarmored?

[narrow frost]

tox bomber and dreg gunner

[foggy rune]

Have you tried aiming at the target?

[serene bough]

Helbore and recon are definitely better but you can still use ilas pretty well in auric

I personally wouldn't bother in havoc currently

[meager echo]

Thanks. Why didn't I think about that.

If you can hit head consistently, I think helbore is way stronger than plasma gun. Better amo eco, larger mag, faster reapers ttk and can deal boss dmg.

[void dragon]

dont you get that the issue is not the lack of trying but the technique of aiming ?

[serene bough]

Plasma can be equip and shot much faster though

And its hitbox is the size of a log

[void dragon]

but plasma, for some unholy reason, is not a good caparace busting weapon

[serene bough]

Helbore still great but I find plasma overall better still

[meager echo]

Oh, i forget about the swap speed tax point for playing helbore

[void dragon]

Plasma is considered better because its a horde masher weapon

[serene bough]

Lols

[meager echo]

Why is that a thing tho. Are they trying to stop people from qq cancel the stab attack ?

[foggy rune]

He's probably looking at the target too much and not the points he's actually aiming at

[sharp epoch]

yes but the penetration

that feeling when you lineup 10 scab shotgunners in the head

[serene bough]

Cleave of plasma definitely should be addressed at some point

[meager echo]

And shooting specialist behind horde. So good

[serene bough]

Idk why they decided to buff to 100 cleave for lights

If anything, helbore should have that cleave since youre committing to swap speed penalties and a sniping role

[meager echo]

And the wall bang, shooting gunners through cover is satisfying.

[void dragon]

nah, helbore is now a real sniper gun, and the swap penalty isnt as outrageous as it used to be

[sharp epoch]

I think it's fine considering we got a class that has infinite cleave over a large 360 radius

[void dragon]

but the lights of plasma should not have such cleave

[surreal rune]

i tested the hellbore now and it cant one shot crushers?

[void dragon]

if anything its charge attack needs a big buff

[surreal rune]

i may get like mid 5000 damage

[serene bough]

I dont think either are healthy imo

[surreal rune]

but one shots no longer

[serene bough]

I just hate when my charge shot gets blocked by some trash mob

[meager echo]

Tbh they should remove cleave on range weapon and make elites, specialist taller or stand out so you can shoot them through horde.

[void dragon]

nope, crushers have been super buffed, now they take 2 helbore shots

[surreal rune]

it can two shot them consistently but

far too slow

[void dragon]

hardly true when not many weapons can kill them as fast as a krak nade

[sharp epoch]

It's just always gonna be a staple of horde shooters, flamethrowers/grenade launchers aka inferno and trauma and rumbler

[surreal rune]

even without crits

[surreal rune]

i mean it has its niche

[serene bough]

I get flamethrowers in a zombie game are staple but soulblaze is just completely ridiculous

[void dragon]

its quite neat when you can go exe stance and just click heads of the plasma goons and see them crumble

[serene bough]

Genuinely becomes less fun to play the game when everything is just dying to infinite cleave AoE

[surreal rune]

you mean the inferno staff?

yeah its certainly effective but

i dont feel its fub

fun

[meager echo]

It happened in every game. I remember warframe meta is just aoe every room.

[junior grail]

I want a plasma variant, one that doesn't cleave but has a large aoe

[surreal rune]

to play with in a team or as a psyker with it

[foggy rune]

Like the one from space marine?

[junior grail]

Yes pwease can I has?

[serene bough]

Yeah, which is why it would be nice if they address these weapons and their cleave properties

[foggy rune]

Idk I just like the Mk 4 chain axe

[torn night]

🫃

[meager echo]

The problem is that, specialist can target you through horde, If you can't kill them through horde you have big problem. That's why plasma gun is so strong.

[sharp epoch]

It's not even the strongest psyker build anymore, it's scrier's smite build

4 mil damage is crazy

[meager echo]

If they make specialist taller, I doubt you ever need the cleave property for range weapons.

[serene bough]

This is just further evidence that infinite cleave and mass AoE is not healthy for the game

Idk if youd consider smite "infinite cleave" but its pretty close

[meager echo]

It's full screen aoe so pretty much infinite cleave.

[serene bough]

Im okay with this being mitigated by resource limitation, i.e. shredders have grenade limit, flamer on zealot has ammo count, or plasma (ideally) would require charge shot for high cleave to offset the cleave w/ charge time & ammo econ management

[void dragon]

smite spam is lame and a snooze fiesta, it should have a drawback for holding it all the time, and i mean a NASTY one

[sharp epoch]

psyker has peril 🤠

[void dragon]

smite spam should have omega peril, if you reach 99% you die and become a DH

[surreal rune]

its still boring but

it runs through the hands, right

no gloves or talisman or anything

just a bunch of electricity through the fingers

[junior grail]

Let's push Crystalline Will further into that

[serene bough]

To balance psyker with the current power of their cleave, bursting yourself should result in the game uninstalling itself

[surreal rune]

perhaps it could have self damage if you hold it for a minute and a half

[void dragon]

nah, crystaline will doesnt work for this, you spam smite you DIE!

[junior grail]

Failed peril explosions with Crystalline Will leaves behind a crystal egg that will hatch into Daemon muahahaha

[void dragon]

make it if you hold it for 10 seconds straight

and im being generous

[tall torrent]

Peril is nothing

[meager echo]

I don't think fatshark need to nerf smite. Let people win the game how they want. In my sever you don't see any psyker run smite in high havoc. Let people have their fun.

[sharp epoch]

fatshark - we hear you were gonna buff psyker where they turn into a friendly dh when exploding

[junior grail]

Peril ain't perilous nowadays

[surreal rune]

smite doesnt let other people have fun

its literally a turn the game off button

[void dragon]

thing is that if they do this people will be stronger because smite spaming is actually inneficient

[surreal rune]

i could piss and shit and eat dinner while playing smite

[surreal rune]

with how many play it

[serene bough]

Quality design by obese fish

[junior grail]

I love playing SG but I also feel it shouldn't quell peril, at least not by 50%

[junior grail]

That timely ragequit tho haha

[void dragon]

they actually buffed something in the Psyker cd reduction perks, it was not as easy to chain SG before

[junior grail]

Is it just me or is insta-quitting the play nowadays?

[serene bough]

Im guilty of dying to something stupid too early and then quitting

Not in havoc though

I am toxicity incarnate

[surreal rune]

does anyone else miss the mechanic of stealth back in vermintide where you could pass through enemies

[void dragon]

i had to quit in a game because irl needed me, not havoc but it happened to me, other cases was obesefish fault

[foggy rune]

I've seen that more

[void dragon]

the servers were quite messy recently

[junior grail]

Me, I vote Vet to have that. If at least to be different from Zealot

[meager echo]

that would not be a good idea. 4 zealots skipping through h40

[sharp epoch]

4% cdr reduction per elite/special to 100% cdr over 3 seconds is what they changed. its more consistent but longer if theres a elite spam

[void dragon]

not for zealot, they have omega boss bonk, let the veteran have new toy

[junior grail]

Everytime it happens my game freezes up making me take random hits from supposedly enemies haha

[foggy rune]

It's your fault anyway you should have saved smh

[hybrid plover]

Here's a thought

Make that a trait of infiltrate

[foggy rune]

Do like chain axe as well or just axe?

[meager echo]

They should buff infiltrate, the skill is so bad compare to voc and exe stance. Why does it have 45s cooldown...

[hybrid plover]

I like all axes.

Chainaxe fun

Combat axe fun

Tac axe.

Fun.

[sharp epoch]

I feel like infiltrate should have been the reset on elite kill similar to other games like borderlands zero

[surreal rune]

the overwatch node makes it worse

[hybrid plover]

Tbf I worry for a stealth ability that goes on for a long time in this game though.

[foggy rune]

What should I use with the mk 4 chain axe on vet?

[hybrid plover]

It's not as much of a concern in vt2 solely because there just isn't as much shit to worry about with aggro dumping

[tall torrent]

I have a very dumb idea

No stealth

Make it give u ranged attack dodge state for a long duration

And buff ur damage a lot during that

[hybrid plover]

Wait.

You're actually cooking with that

That's not dumb at all.

I actually like the idea of that better than infiltrate actually being stealth.

[sharp epoch]

sounds like exe but extra steps

cause that gives you toughness regen to survive shooters as well

[hybrid plover]

Exe doesn't give you full on immunity to ranged damage or extra melee damage though.

[tall torrent]

Total damage, instead of ranged damage
Dodge state vs ranged attack can proc reciprocity & duck and dive

With a short cooldown

Never happening tho lol

[sharp epoch]

infil on vet was kinda like an afterthought tbh they just grabbed zealots stealth and changed a few stuff

[smoky sapphire]

woah

[void dragon]

i kinda like the infiltrate as a concept, but im not a fan of how its CD feel in aplication

[smoky sapphire]

that makes smite goated

[void dragon]

id doesnt feel that melee friedly

[hybrid plover]

Honestly that would kinda make it like scriers

And I wouldn't even mind that.

Just a beefed tf up commando

[foggy rune]

I just want sone decent melee bonuses when I exit stealth just so I can ambush a small group or one poor guy

[sharp epoch]

I'd like it if it didn't make your team take all the aggro, it just feels really punishing when you got a stealth person on your team

[void dragon]

That's because it's easy to misuse it, if you drop aggro and you are not frag carpet bombing the horde to retake that aggro by cc or raw damage then you are not using infiltrate correctly

[rapid egret]

am i broken or did they add 6 more days to the event?

[frigid shuttle]

just play quad smite psyker

[foggy rune]

Nah I'll just use it to kill that one gunner harassing everyone

[void dragon]

make this man a saint of the Emperor itself, he is a hero

[foggy rune]

Bold of you to assume the plan works

[torn night]

🫃

[meager echo]

nothing beat out of memory crash bs

[midnight wyvern]

just restart your game more often

[midnight wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395345902851461210/1425315116307447998/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-10-08_10-52-42.mp4?ex=68e723a4&is=68e5d224&hm=0f63db4ca251473572bd190c0bfe43cd97e27d901987ed94c270f3c81d698f82&

local man yells large creature to death

[umbral scaffold]

are people doing the build that like two taps bosses with the power sword

[tidal tartan]

We have a little toughness its called we have a little toughness

[hybrid plover]

Oh i never answered this

[foggy rune]

:(

[hybrid plover]

Headtaker and slaughterer for more generalist build

Bloodletting and thunderous if you want to delete single targets

[tidal tartan]

bloodletting thunderous lets you rev click fine enough used it a good bit does fine

I have other sources of rending so I use the mk12 with bloodletting/thrust instead

but thats just because I like it better it's almost certainly worse

[hybrid plover]

Sometimes the less ideal choice is what you like

I run a weird knife build so I get it

[tidal tartan]

clicking with mk4 to apply bleed/brittleness is more effocient especially if your boss damager is your sword but I enjoy shredding entire captain shields with one hit

[midnight wyvern]

how am I supposed to know lol

im using a bolter

other guy has a chainsword

[sharp epoch]

theres like no build that does that

[tidal tartan]

wish there were more cosmetics that had a no armor light infantry feel

[hollow ibex]

very true

[dapper coyote]

Is the heavy helbore lasgun bayonet can go through multiple target? (its slash instead of stab)

[hollow ibex]

not really, it's just ass bad

[dapper coyote]

Ah i see

[tame lodge]

6.5 cleave instead of 3

Not the greatest damage distribution though

Nor the speed

[dapper coyote]

Cheers, imma put myself in a match later on to see if i can use the most of it

[limber quiver]

Does the marksman focus penance only count ranged kills while at 10+ stacks of marksman's focus?

[gilded wraith]

How does the slow recon hold up in non-havoc after rework?

[sharp epoch]

isnt that what the penance says

[sharp epoch]

it works

[midnight wyvern]

no you can do it with melee, I see people recommending it all the time in here

unless it was changed with the tree reworks but I doubt it

[gilded wraith]

Cool, used it a lot in the past.

[olive halo]

for the helbore, do you guys bother waiting for surgical to reach max stacks or just shoot with a lower crit chance

[tame lodge]

50%

You CRIT or you don't

[olive halo]

seems about right yeah, bcz waiting the full 3 seconds for 100% crit seemed worse than just shooting more

[limber quiver]

Fatshark isn't known for their accurate descriptions of various things

[olive halo]

tbh what good thing is fatshark known for

[limber quiver]

Melee did work, completed it nice & fast ||Was that supposed to be a smart comment||

[austere mica]

Gameplay

[olive halo]

every time I hear their name its involved in some scandal

[olive halo]

DT on release day moment

[austere mica]

The Game is Fun to Play

[limber quiver]

Its really really hard for a game's core gameplay loop to hook me so tightly

But DarkTide's completely got me

I love it

So yes, gameplay

Really fun and satisfying melee, horde shooters are my favorite, as well as melee-oriented games (greatswords especially)

[olive halo]

now that you mention it, god I wish we had more greatswords

we got heavy eviscerator and the force great sword

[austere mica]

And relic

[olive halo]

is relic a greatsword or longsword

[austere mica]

Greatsword

[olive halo]

gotcha

[hollow ibex]

hsword is the longsword

[austere mica]

I'd have to ask one of the hema creatures for what it is more exactly but it's a greatsword

Hsword is a falchion

[hollow ibex]

it functions more like a longsword tho

[austere mica]

It has like 2 stabs across all marks

And the special is something you can't do with a longsword

[hollow ibex]

idk what the special is even supposed to represent

[austere mica]

Using the back of the blade

Because it's a one-sided curved blade

[hollow ibex]

because falchions are supposed to be one handed weapons

and we have an actual falchion in the game

[thorn bronze]

any tips for falchion blessings?

[austere mica]

Power falchion is a cutlass

A really thick cutlass

[hollow ibex]

well it's WH where everything is made up and logic doesn't matter so i guess it's all moot

[austere mica]

But all Warhammer power weapons have hilariously thick blades

[hollow ibex]

🤷

[hollow ibex]

cranial + wrath/leakage/heatsink

[thorn bronze]

baller

[tame lodge]

The special and the light attack after it are using the back edge of the Hsword

[hollow ibex]

Idk what weapons IRL would be used like that

[hollow ibex]

But prob neither the falch nor the long sword

So hsword is just hsword at the end of the day ig

[tame lodge]

Power Falchion reminds me of the wing Chun butterfly sword

[tame lodge]

Most likely knife

Since you can use it as a snappy attack

But it's also a knife and most knifes don't have a back edge

https://tenor.com/view/that's-not-a-knife-that's-a-knife-crocodile-dundee-gif-17875218452824390581

https://youtu.be/kZeGOYzUeBQ?si=-NrRfrbmCbdJHcnU

[distant mural]

A lot of combat knifes have 2 edges.

Depends on the style

[tame lodge]

I'm probably butchering the nomenclature with all these "back edges" and shit

And if some hema nerd saw it

They'd probably beat me up

[distant mural]

A single edged knife like the bowie knife will be more usefull as a tool because no back edge makes it more sturdy but 2 edges is a lot better for stabbing.

You can also like hammer on the back of the bowie knife to split logs etc.

[tall torrent]

this is why I don't like the absolution cerulus skin for power sword as much as semiarid tactical

it's so comically thick it might as well be a mace

[tame lodge]

Bro's out here playing with Berserker's Dragon Slayer

"It was too big to be called a sword. Massive, thick, heavy, and far too rough. Indeed, it was a heap of raw iron."

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-guts-walk-anime-gif-9724918

[distant mural]

The animation was soo cursed and bad i cant belive this actually happened😂

[azure narwhal]

NOO NOT THIS ONE

[distant mural]

The swords clashing sounds kill me every time

[mortal aspen]

clang.mp3

[distant mural]

Forreal

[rancid egret]

What's the highest toughness y'all seen so far on a curio?

I have a 17% one, is there an 18% one?

[distant mural]

No 17 is max

Quite rare

I dont have a single char with 3

[sharp epoch]

i got a 19 one

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-gif-13205356

[sharp epoch]

[desert valve]

His legs are 7" long.

[tender pasture]

The next time I see someone do distal taper in 40k will be the first

[rancid egret]

Nice, thank you fellow guard.

[frank basin]

My friend went for “fuck that, I’m going to bleed build with serrated blade and flesh tearer, lacerate” then I try convince him armored enemy going be hard to kill with bleed without Rending

So I give him solution flesh tearer and uncanny

I can’t force him not go bleed weapon

[limber quiver]

Still waiting on a relic sword skin

||Red/Blue generic ones don't count||

||Give me an edgy black one to match my drip, like battle-forged or whatever that would be sO COOL URGHHhh||

[tepid otter]

Relic blade is for.. zealots? Or psykers

[torn night]

🫃

[tepid otter]

Wuh the hell

[distant mural]

Bleed is allways usefull imo

[meager echo]

what a name

[crude wind]

Uses FotF

[teal canyon]

Do they made lasgun viable?

[steep flower]

Always was; just out classed by helbore (altho now that vet has suppression immunity its better on him)

Same for revolver

[teal canyon]

No horde, no carapace clear? Yes?

[steep flower]

Thats what you’re melee is for

[teal canyon]

Ok. Not viable

[willow prairie]

lmao

[teal canyon]

Even auto pistol is somewhat viable as run n gun suppression tool for closing the distance and shredding hordes

Game be like: versatile
Expectations - do everything but worse
Reality - do nothing

[normal bay]

Most ranged weapons are bad at both of these lol

Or if not, it's a complete waste of ammo

[teal canyon]

No

[normal bay]

It's great for ranged and most elites. Has decent boss damage too

Especially with Exe stance

[teal canyon]

Outside of vigilant autoguns there is no weapon that aren't just better than lasgun

Even freaking laspistol

[azure narwhal]

There are a lot of good weapons that don't deal with carapace and it's not the end of the world, especially as vet tbh

Kraks are now as good as can be

[teal canyon]

They usually do with right build or at least deal with hordes better

[dry cloak]

helbore 4 with exe stance kills carapce

no problem

[teal canyon]

I bought this game to be lasgun vet and I'm ain't gonna sugarcoat it

It suck

[dry cloak]

reconlasgun my boy

[dry cloak]

yeah we know

a victim of power creep thats still balanced around a game that does not exist

[azure narwhal]

You can make it work regardless but if you don't like it 🤷‍♂️

[teal canyon]

Don't like recon, but with 50% switch speed Lucius gonna get some action for sure

[dry cloak]

why you dont like recom?

[teal canyon]

But recon effective, yes

[dry cloak]

if you used mk12 only then no wonder

[jaunty sphinx]

dump on helbore?

[teal canyon]

I dunno. Not because it bad, it good

[dry cloak]

stab

[jaunty sphinx]

thanks

[dry cloak]

infratry alsguns are a relic of the past in therye current state and hopefully they get some love next patch. same goes for twin link stubbers on ogryn

[teal canyon]

I think it's just not satisfying as braced autogun

[dry cloak]

also fun fact

recoil of inflas is visual

not factual

[teal canyon]

Yes

One of the points of my frustrations

[dry cloak]

the most similiar weapon to infatry lasgun would be helbore mk5

[steep flower]

Ammo especially if you go with shock trooper

[dry cloak]

and you dont even need one motion anymore

[grand perch]

i certainly hope weapons like ILAS and DClaw are bound for a major touch up

[dry cloak]

yes

i like this

well you can be a masochist like me and just play with devilclaw

[grand perch]

eh only for fun in auric

[dry cloak]

i dont even play auric anymore

not enough strenght in me after work

[teal canyon]

Auric use to be easier than not auric just because that ppl actually carried their weight and was alert

[dry cloak]

i play this game for a year you dont have to tell me

[teal canyon]

Meanwhile one level lower and we have a speed running Joe. Wannabe speed running Joe, me and a guy I cover because he is actually killing stuff before moving ahead

[dry cloak]

usuall thing that happens to my freind and i

[midnight wyvern]

who is joe?

[mortal aspen]

[teal canyon]

Joe Kerr

https://tenor.com/view/joker-laughing-gif-9806460305539250666

[mortal aspen]

@umbral scaffold
you can take whatever grenade and grenade perks you want
almost any melee\ranged will work

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-cat-funny-cat-flashbang-flashbang-gif-8479999063609699416

[umbral scaffold]

[keen sedge]

Perks and blessings for the vigilant autogun?

[frank basin]

Stun storm grenade

[wicked epoch]

did they make chain wapons stronger?

weapons

it sure kinda feels it

[frank basin]

Chainaxe do

Chainsword nah

[wicked epoch]

yeah, chainaxe muy stronk

when did they make my bae so strong

[frank basin]

Could be update while ago

[wicked epoch]

nice

thanks

[steep flower]

Lmao it always was

Even before the update

Chainsword got buffed; its finesse modifier finally doing smth

But since it can’t reliably stagger crushers (outside arby ofc) its still dogshit

[azure narwhal]

Was about to say about cs

It is nowhere near as bad though

[steep flower]

8 more dmg on heavies on mk4 & weakspot & crit modifier got up from 1,09 to 1,19

[azure narwhal]

If we're looking at the weapon itself only, one might say playing evisc is harder

It's just zealot carrying it with fotf

And perfect strike

[steep flower]

Tbh evis got nerfed this patch

[azure narwhal]

I saw

[steep flower]

By proxy

Indirectly

[azure narwhal]

They keep murdering my already murdered boy

Somehow

[steep flower]

Remowing ‚Hammer of Faith’ (30% impact talent) was a colossal mistake

[azure narwhal]

/;

[steep flower]

Cause now its way less reliable in staggering crushers (you have to take ‚grievous wounds’ and hit weakspot; you miss = you lose tho…)

[tall torrent]

This part didn’t rly matter, it’s grievous wounds being moved to be harder to reach that makes it worse

But zealot tree is a lot better for damage than before

[olive halo]

rq, for the focus target penance, do I have to kill or does it still count if my teammate kills a target I tagged?

[steep flower]

It did; It allowed you to stagger crushers on demand on mk15 heavy rev

[tall torrent]

Grievous wounds was always the better pick in the first place

HoF was buried under 2 mid talents

GW was 1 point off from TWBS

[steep flower]

Miss a weakspot & you lose; HoF allowed for better safety cause body could stagger too; talent wise fair point but with HoF you were able to choose 2 most important auras & not loner

So either way if we look at consistency; HoF was better

[tall torrent]

Nah GW was just better
Don’t miss head with melee
Better point economy

Middle branch was so bad before

[steep flower]

don’t miss head with melee is such a ‚just insert action here forehead’; sometimes you can’t - all situation dependent
‚Better point economy’ if you take TWBS always then sure; i you don’t, pointwise is the same investment (outside what the talents on the way provide)

[steep flower]

It was; i miss sainted gunslinger tho; was much better than what we have now tbh; out of pocket

[tall torrent]

I think Evis needs better stagger in the first place

[steep flower]

Imagine a 2h chainsword not being able to stagger a crusher

[umbral scaffold]

meanwhile, the humble shovel

[steep flower]

Mah man

[umbral scaffold]

with the update i thought the normal chainsword was peak because of the tree rework

then i tried the shovel again

never going back

[steep flower]

Don’t forget; stagger values were broken and that has been fixed so its as dogshit as before

[umbral scaffold]

[tall torrent]

Chainsword got better than before

Now can stagger 1 rager at a time without doing special attacks

[umbral scaffold]

but shovel

goes bonk

[tall torrent]

Shovel is still

[umbral scaffold]

therefore it’s objectively better

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[umbral scaffold]

tell me buster

what do i not know

i only know the basics of vet

[tall torrent]

Go fight 3+ ragers at the same time with melee only, and not take any damaging hits

You can very quickly filter out a lot of melee weapons

Unfortunately most melee weapons are made to be good only vs 1~2

[umbral scaffold]

why would i get that close to ragers in melee in the first place silly

[tall torrent]

But game spams them at double digit numbers

[tall torrent]

It’s better to know what a weapon is capable of & what it’s not

[umbral scaffold]

i mean i’ve been doing fine, taking a little bit of damage is okay

i don’t play the game for the challenge of taking zero damage

[atomic void]

i unironically like that most weapons dont bully ragers

they're not trash mobs that should be bullied and killed with 0 effort

[turbid ibex]

Counterpoint: the loading screen says there is strength in ignorance

[atomic void]

[atomic void]

rager buff when

[umbral scaffold]

aren’t ragers supposed to be pretty annoying in that regard anyways?

[tall torrent]

If u can’t minimize chip damage fighting 3 ragers, u will only take more when they’re spammed at greater numbers

[tall torrent]

No they’re pretty predictable actually

It’s basically just a math game against them

[umbral scaffold]

i mean it makes sense why they don’t stagger easily and why ogryn has the best kit for handling them imo

big man with stronkness

[atomic void]

i feel like ragers are only a real danger in havoc now simply because everything in havoc kills you

there's like 10 billion things that can just bully them in base game

[turbid ibex]

If only it was a meth game instead😔

[umbral scaffold]

ragers are just a health check if you get caught slackin

[tall torrent]

Wat

[umbral scaffold]

personally for me if i notice ragers i just bring out my rager deleter (plasma cannon)

[tall torrent]

I think even for auric it’s a good idea to know what deals with them well and what doesn’t

[atomic void]

that's true fo sure

[tall torrent]

Most melee weapons can only do up to 2 ragers with safety

And once mass goes up it’s much worse

[atomic void]

when i first started playing and had no good rolls on melee weapons i just pulled out my ranged for them lol

then i had to actually learn how to fight them

[tall torrent]

Most ranged weapons aren’t that good vs them either

Their heads move a lot

[atomic void]

yep

only doable at lower levels

they're too erratic

[umbral scaffold]

double barrel shotty makes clockwork of these guys lol

even in havoc

[ivory trail]

Even you can solo melee a ranger it takes time, and other things will murder you

[tidal tartan]

Dclaw supremacy

Just fight 90 at a time

[turbid ibex]

Dueling sword kinda stole the one thing dclaw had going for it now that it has a parry

[tall torrent]

DS party has less block window extension

[tough nova]

Dclaw is amazing at unarmored horde clear. Sadly that isnt important and most weapons are serviceable.

I prefer the attack patterns of mark 7 they are reminiscent of the crusher and gives easy access to sweeping horde attacks and targeted overheads.

[signal garden]

Pick shovel is just one hit, why TF isn't it just a tap v hard swing

Unnecessarily clunky

[trim badger]

Holy moly knife deals so much damage now on new vet

Already absurdly high damage and now mercy killer is there to boost it even more

[tame lodge]

The funny Mercy Killer Precognition

https://tenor.com/view/yankee-no-brim-yankee-hat-baseball-cap-barnacle-boy-gif-16906322

[willow prairie]

skirmisher:

exploit weakness:

precision strike:

marksman:

[distant estuary]

Rages just annoying because of their ability to combo into you block that’s why ranger works better

[heavy gorge]

is knife good? i never gave it a chance because its a knife and not a big sword lol

[tame lodge]

Very good

[trim badger]

Knife was always good but now that serrated bleed is free

It's even better with mercy killer lol

[heavy gorge]

i will try it

i've been liking the tactical axe

[trim badger]

Well imagine knife as some sort of better tacaxe

[heavy gorge]

is mercy killer like a blessing or something

[trim badger]

It's funny that you don't even need precog to 1 shot specials anymore

[heavy gorge]

oh shit yea just found it

[tough nova]

Mercy killer uncanny with the bleed on melee talent and full shredder grenade suite is AMAZING

[trim badger]

Just hit a heavy headshot

Even in Havoc 40

[heavy gorge]

yeah okay i'm gonna run combat knife next time

[trim badger]

It's crazy now, gonna make a Helbore build with knife

[tough nova]

Yes increased week's potential damage on bleeding targets

[heavy gorge]

i'm playing malice lmao pretty new to the game

[steel veldt]

https://streamable.com/oasfi2

This is on Zealot but still

It can also 4 shot Crushers on Auric

As Vet

So yeah

God bless the toothpick

[trim badger]

It's funny how vet is better melee class than Zealot

[steel veldt]

Really?

[trim badger]

It applied before, it applies even more now

[trim badger]

Yea

[steel veldt]

Hah

[trim badger]

As long as you're using finesse weapons, vet is better

[tough nova]

Vet is not better in melee than zealot

[steel veldt]

Zealot has way more toughness and health damage reduction, no?

[sly orchid]

Vet is not better than zealot

[tough nova]

Generally just more nodes that modify melee damage

[sly orchid]

Vet has only TDR zealot has both DR and TDR

[signal garden]

Tac ax block attack and sp action can stagger anything not a boss

[hollow ibex]

And zealot has way better crit

[hollow ibex]

Yeah knife is very different from Taxe

[signal garden]

Knife has a cleaving mark so it's different, but idk about y'all but vet has more interesting builds around knife than zealot

Seeing as how it can exploit a bunch of "hurt bleeding enemy" builds and just swing high for headshots, and thats not even factoring in the repositioning benefits

Not to say zealot is bad obv, it's a lot meaner with a tacaxe

[gilded wraith]

I see Mr. E's melee vet video has made the rounds.

[steep flower]

Boi dunno what blitzes, abilities & ramge weapons are
JK

[steep flower]

A healthy take

[steep flower]

[tame lodge]

There's a challenge for that?

It's a baseline thing for me

[steep flower]

Why not uncanny & mercy?

[tame lodge]

Finesse tastes better than rending

I'm out here finessing my weapons

https://tenor.com/view/end-of-watch-locker-scene-jake-gyllenhaal-gif-8856476536569176567

[fair shale]

10/10 movie

[hybrid plover]

zealot more survivable in melee
vet has more dps potential under the right circumstances though, especially with power sword in mind

[tough nova]

We don't determine our circumstances all the time tho.

[hybrid plover]

It is very easy to acquire them. Right bottom nodes on vet are all very easy to proc and result in a lot of extra damage.

[tough nova]

Was referring to game state moreso

[hybrid plover]

Game state barely matters in that regard when the game is just giving you a ton of free damage for playing the game.

Vet has that.

[atomic void]

people falling for mister E's exaggerated video title 😭

anyone who plays both classes knows that vet does not invalidate zealot

if we're going by "class deals more dmg so its better" then melee psyker shits on both and u should never take both

[hybrid plover]

Don't get me wrong. Vet still has more nuance to being played in melee overall, but it is very potent as a melee class in pure damage.

[tame lodge]

[faint beacon]

Darktide players aren’t ready for that conversation

They’d rather psyker get buffed 50 more times

[tame lodge]

No but you see

Psyker glass

[faint beacon]

Glass cannon

Except remove the glass part

[atomic void]

i played 2 games yesterday
had two psykers with auric examplar and havoc forged and they both died like 8 times in both missions

psyker players are just bad

[atomic void]

and guess what killed them

trash mobs

cause they cant stop casting for 2 secs

😭

[faint beacon]

Wait till the find out they have options that make them tankier than vet

Give them a few months

[atomic void]

fatshark probably looks at psyker win rates and be like "oh damn its still low buff bro more"

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[atomic void]

only explination

[faint beacon]

By then though vet will probably get hit with a nerf

Maybe zealot

[hollow ibex]

Wait what did they do to the tree

[tough nova]

A psyker with great melee fundamentals and an understanding of their toughness generation can do a lot of work

[hollow ibex]

Aka the average player on any other class

[atomic void]

they already nerfed zealot bro u cant spam book every 2 seconds anymore and he gets out meleed by everyone bro he's so trash bro he no place delete zealot my fav youtuber told me zealot is dead

me when the melee frontliner class is dead cause i cant spam a support ult

[faint beacon]

Just a dream, converts 25% of damage taken into peril

It’s just a weirdly worded DR

It’s 25% DR if they’re under critical peril

[hollow ibex]

Oh yeah that looked stupidly good

[faint beacon]

It’s a must pick lmao

Makes melee psyker beyond busted

[tame lodge]

Pair Dream with Quietude and you can tank gas

[atomic void]

like i havent tried high havoc on this patch yet but zealot's melee dmg is fkn absurd with marty im just pressing w and killing everything while tanking everything
if this is somehow weak and doesnt belong in le meta then the meta is beyond fucked

[hollow ibex]

But muh glass cannon

[hollow ibex]

Path thinks IJ is stronger still

He’s wrong

[atomic void]

maybe it is

but its not as fun

[tough nova]

I love IJ with the crusher

[atomic void]

swinging two handers as fast as a knife is peak

[tame lodge]

We'll have to play Book 24/7

Then complain that Zealot doesn't have melee prowess compared to other classes

[atomic void]

common havoc L

[tame lodge]

Book is not even needed on havoc

*anywhere

[tame lodge]

But still not use the melee abilities

Only book and book only

[atomic void]

i saw people in another server unironically argue that FOTF and shroud are bad 💀

"you can only kill 1 enemy at a time"

[orchid hemlock]

Are they wrong?

Stealth is dogshit as a concept change my mind

😈

[hybrid plover]

I think Fury is better than Book across the board now for havoc tbh

[tough nova]

Fotf is the difference between a weapon being decent on zealot and meh on others. The rending and steroid are game changers.

[atomic void]

fotf is melee rending and massive crit dmg and big attack speed boost on a fairly low cooldown still and allows you to just say "lol no" to all specialists and cut distance which helps massively cause you're supposed to be a frontliner and not a healbot

[hybrid plover]

That cool down change did no favors for book.

[atomic void]

buffed shroudfield is actually cracked now

hate on stealth all u want but its a good ult

[tame lodge]

Notice how you say "as a concept"

#nooticing

[tame lodge]

🧑‍🚀

[tough nova]

One tapping monstrosities has pretty clear value

[grim karma]

@vivid cloud understand?

[hybrid plover]

They point a gun at me because I'm right.

Really though. I'd rather have a proper frontliner that can actually do damage than a bookbot.

Because book itself just doesn't have the uptime that it used to.

[faint beacon]

I could care for either in havoc

[hybrid plover]

Book is still good, mind you.

But it isn't like

The must pick that it used to be.

It never was tbh but it was far more spammable than it is now.

[hybrid plover]

Stealth as a concept is fine. It's the way this game handles it that sucks.

[heavy rover]

Vet slander in vet chat?

[frigid shuttle]

that's not saying much though

needs to be tankier than arbi

or ogryn

*buffs please, *

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I wish

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If u exclude power sword then yea
With power sword being as strong as it is, it’s very arguable

Zealot’s dilemma is that u either build crit or +dmg

Vet does both

[tough nova]

No

[pulsar patio]

No

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If relic blade had perfect strike it’d prob be a closer match?

[pulsar patio]

you'll see when pvp comes out

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this is my one spot where I gain good value in the match let's gooooo

unless we're talking about havoc

[tall torrent]

Has value, not by that much

Elites & specialists are still higher priority than monsters

[tough nova]

This is where blades of faith expertise matters 🙂

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Technically throwing knives got a comparative nerf too this patch lol

[atomic void]

yeah i cant 1 shot a lot of things now

can still 1 tap specials but not gunners

and forget about 1 taps entirely in havoc

[faint beacon]

This is why you stunstorm in havoc

Or immo

[tough nova]

I think knives should get the ogryn rock treatment for elite heads other than carapace/ogryn

[faint beacon]

Stunstorm as a team panic button imo

[tall torrent]

Nah

U have 12 of them

If anything it’s krak grenade that needs the instakill override

[faint beacon]

Kraks are still insane but I’m gonna say it

[atomic void]

i dont wanna 1 tap every elite just gunners and specialists

[fair shale]

Im ngl I loathe immos cause I always have to go "okay is it friendly or enemy fire" for a sec

[faint beacon]

Psyker still nullifies them lmao

[tough nova]

Uhhh, knives are more difficult to use why would we make the sticky nade more potent?

[faint beacon]

Brighter yellow flames

[fair shale]

I know

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Since when are throwing knives hard to use

[faint beacon]

That’s pretty much the only difference

[fair shale]

Its not like

Enough lol

[atomic void]

you'd be surprised how many people actually use them to full potential

[tough nova]

Are we debating if knives are harder to use than kraks

[atomic void]

aiming them is a bit harder than your average gun

im not exactly a god aimer myself

[faint beacon]

Drop off etc

[atomic void]

its def harder to use than spamming nades

[tall torrent]

I don’t think throwing knives are hard to use by any means

[faint beacon]

I only think Kraks could use minor tweaking cause of psykers existence nullifying things

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It has a very generous hit radius

[faint beacon]

Or hear me out

Hear me out

[fair shale]

Knives are harder to use than most nades but they arent hard to use

[faint beacon]

They actually nerf psyker

[atomic void]

i dont think they're that hard either but def requires more skill than your average nade especially if u wanna snipe long range

[faint beacon]

The joke is they won’t it’s FS’s favorite class

[atomic void]

i think this is fair to say

[fair shale]

I agree with this

[fair shale]

I think its cause so many psykers suck so bad

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They’re very easy to get high value out of

[faint beacon]

Air bursting frags does take thinking ngl

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Krak comparatively takes understanding of slotting mechanic to max its value

[faint beacon]

Psyker currently does vets and zealots job even better

That’s the crazy thing

[fair shale]

Oh I'm aware

[atomic void]

i think it took me forever to actually start paying to how many i have and use them frequently in my offense as opposed to just panic spamming a trapper
my dmg went waaay higher when i started doing that cause i was throwing way more and killing more

[fair shale]

But I genuinely think they don't get nerfed cause your average psyker is larping a suicide bomber

[atomic void]

u got 12 that regen on melee elite kills, when they used to 1 tap loads of things that's at least 6 kills per refill if u land half of your shots

[faint beacon]

Another 5 million buffs to psyker

[atomic void]

crazy value

[tough nova]

Infinite(or near infinite) cleave weapons are a balancing problem i don't think they know how to solve

[tall torrent]

Melee specialist kills too

[atomic void]

yeah true

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They’re not hard to solve

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flame staff bumbler my beloathed

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Reduce flame weapons’ attack speed and make blaze away Rstr instead of Tstr

[atomic void]

i also like that they inherit blessings from your weapons lmao

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Rumbler case separate

[atomic void]

my memory is fuzzy on if they do it from melee or guns or both tho

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I don’t think rumbler is that op in a melee build context

[faint beacon]

Chat I know the solution

Nerf veteran

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remove vet

[fair shale]

Remove vet, you can just play Bodyguard Og

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yo who even plays this shitty ass class

smh smh

arbites lite

[tough nova]

Rumbler funneled with all ammo is kinda degenerate

[fair shale]

Im ngl to you the longer I play DT the less I actually like playing vet

Which sucks cause I hard mained them for 650 hours

[hybrid plover]

I'll be real. Even without power sword, melee vet is still pretty damn potent

[tall torrent]

Why

Psyker op?

[atomic void]

buff zealot
i wanna go from 1 shotting things to 1 shotting things

pls

[tough nova]

I have the least fun in melee as vet.

[fair shale]

Generally vet(and zealot imo) don't feel as good as the other 3 for one reason or another. Like after you play Plasma vet for so long and then you pick up HStub Og or VIII on the Arb and then you go "wait a second plasma kinda dookie feeling"

[tall torrent]

I’m complete opposite I think heavy stubber’s handling is so ass I’d run any gun before that on ogryn

[tough nova]

Plasma ain't fun. It is also a heavy cleave issue weapon.

[fair shale]

I love that thing tbh, specifically the Achlys tho

[faint beacon]

It’s been ages since vet has felt like this with a freedom of choice on weapons

[fair shale]

Big ass dmr

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Achlys heavy stubber is at best tolerable

[faint beacon]

And it hurts cause like idk if I like it

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Shame it sucks in breakpoints

[faint beacon]

Or want it nerfed

[fair shale]

But nah like

[tall torrent]

And got nerfed this patch

[fair shale]

Nothing vet does for me rn

[faint beacon]

Cause it’s actually nice being more than a walking dispenser in havoc

[fair shale]

Feels better than another class

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I think vet is a lot more flexible and performs better than every other class except psyker rn

Psyker is just too op

[fair shale]

Idk about preforms, I'm mainly talking about feeling

Inferno staff performs great but it feels like shit to use, yk?

[tough nova]

Remove the last 0.25 stamina delay node and bake it into baseline and im sold

I just wanna push attack spam plz

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If ogryn right side bottom had better pathing I’d prob like them more

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Nah just make bottom left pathing better

[fair shale]

I dont even run right side og tbh, pref left mostly

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Cuz that’s the best build outside of rumbler spam lol

[fair shale]

I believe that

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Ogryn guns also have a lot of issues

[inland orchid]

i like tauntgryn

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Most are meh

[fair shale]

I literally just want an autocannon

Let me be him

[tall torrent]

The pre-fire delay for ogryn guns is atrocious

[tough nova]

I would take this as well. The stamina delay reduction is a feels good move.

[faint beacon]

Honestly that’s why no one paths to MMF it’s pathing is just too mediocre

Middle and Right offer better options

[tough nova]

Left tree is too specific.

One node literally does nothing unless you're using lasweapons

[fair shale]

Left tree feels specifically good if you want to accatran spam ime

Yeah lol

Idk

Ill experiment with more vet builds ig

[turbid ibex]

Or helbore

[fair shale]

I think i simply dont enjoy what vet wants to enjoy rn

[tough nova]

And 15% base ranged after no melee in a game that's focused on melee...yikes.