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#veteran-class
tame lodge
tall torrent
vet is closest to 50:50
tawdry osprey
i'm dying i didnt see who it was nor the cap
steel veldt
Ah the sofa man
faint beacon
Vet is like the hybrid class
tawdry osprey
the cap is great
faint beacon
Which makes sense
tall torrent
zealot hybrid kinda does not exist
tame lodge
i'm dying i didnt see who it was nor the cap
tall torrent
arb's guns are far less flexible than vet's
steel veldt
zealot hybrid kinda does not exist
Hey I love using my Bpistol on Zealot
faint beacon
They adapt to the situation as it happens
tawdry osprey
hollow ibex
Yeh
tall torrent
vet has the best selection of ranged weapons good for havoc
hollow ibex
zealot hybrid kinda does not exist
This is why I remain a vet main lol
tall torrent
heavy stubber got nerfed comparatively this patch cuz scab enemy hp changed
faint beacon
Heavy stubber getting dunked on
tall torrent
Hey I love using my Bpistol on Zealot
if ur only drawing it to kill specials in between melee atks and not using it for anything else
is it really hybrid
steel veldt
if ur only drawing it to kill specials in between melee atks and not using it fo...
I have a knife that I sometimes don't use because Bpistol
throwing knife*
fair shale
if ur only drawing it to kill specials in between melee atks and not using it fo...
This is effectively what I use Plasma on vet for tbh
tall torrent
This is effectively what I use Plasma on vet for tbh
yea plasma is somewhere like 70% melee and 30% ranged usually
exe is a diff case but ammo still prevents it from being significantly more than 50% ranged
sharp epoch
yea plasma is somewhere like 70% melee and 30% ranged usually
thats pretty close to what I get 2 mil melee almost 1 mil ranged
meager echo
I love playing pubs hahaha 
.
sharp epoch
sharp epoch
midnight wyvern
I love playing pubs hahaha <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> .
I think I know him lol
was he a psyker?
midnight wyvern
like level 90 or something?
just surprised he would say that is all, hes not often one to say things like that lmao
primal zealot
I love playing pubs hahaha <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> .
theres a pub i used to run into every month or so who always recognized me and would cheer me on when i had to solo clutch a couple times 
was pretty cool. havent seen him in a while tho. hope hes ok 
tall torrent
ogryn build prob ass
meager echo
H40 people are very chill. Below that is a shit show man. The demote system create a nasty problem tbh.
tall torrent
also idk how arb only had 6.5k bleed dmg
fair shale
I think its funny that you demote all the way to H40 but at 40 you won't
tall torrent
is bleed dog that bad now??
orchid hemlock
is bleed dog that bad now??
It's like a 10-20% damage increase depending on what it's targeting
fair shale
Its defo not an autotake vs some other arb talents now
orchid hemlock
I still think it's good because since the dog has good rending it helps a lot on Ogryn or boss enemies
Even crushers the bleed does good damage
fair shale
Ill agree it helps specifically for ogryn tier enemies
primal zealot
its underrated tbh
orchid hemlock
The way I see it, anything that increases the dog's flat damage is beneficial
Because the faster the dog kills something, the faster it can move to another target
grand perch
I think its funny that you demote all the way to H40 but at 40 you won't
100% opinionated that should be changed
primal zealot
bleed + volatic significantly reduces ttk on pounced targets thus allowing it to get up and bite other stuff more often
orchid hemlock
100% opinionated that should be changed
The reason they did it is to prevent people who decay on purpose
grand perch
demotion feels bad for everyone involved, especially since it could be from a server crash or sth
fair shale
Oh I demoted cause I depipped twice to 2014 errors 3 days ago and I havent launched the game since tbh
primal zealot
yea srsly. shouldnt be a thing with how shitty the general stability is
tall torrent
better yet
tall torrent
just make h40 baseline as havoc diff and remove every other rank
it's not like people actually care abt playing havoc below max diff anyway
tame lodge
Tru
primal zealot
no more speedrunning havoc 1s for the insignia lmao
grand perch
some people can only manage the lowest havoc levels but still want to experience the modifiers
tall torrent
some people can only manage the lowest havoc levels but still want to experience...
or just separate it to 3 tiers
havoc low (for people that want >auric but not too hard to get weekly resource)
havoc medium (for people that want a challenge but aren't into CBT realm yet)
havoc max (h40 equivalent for those that aren't challenged enough)
grand perch
im plenty challenged
tall torrent
and make all 3 scale from auric diff
so no funky breakpoint changes between them
mortal aspen
or just separate it to 3 tiers
havoc low (for people that want >auric but not to...
but 1-16 is much easier than auric
tall torrent
could be like
h21 equivalent
h31 equivalent
h40 equivalent
meager echo
I think the dev don't want havoc to be this way, but the higher up force them to implement demoting to boost players retention.
fair shale
Havoc 1 is like fuckin malice
tall torrent
could be like
h21 equivalent
h31 equivalent
h40 equivalent
this is all damnation/auric scaling anyway
h31 is when fading light 2 turns on
mortal aspen
Havoc could start with 16 and have quickplay until 25
grand perch
I think the dev don't want havoc to be this way, but the higher up force them to...
its probably that sort of yeah
fair shale
I think the dev don't want havoc to be this way, but the higher up force them to...
I dont see how demoting could possibly keep people in havocs when you're liable to demote to FS servers
meager echo
I heard that the ip owner of war hammers is very difficult to deal with, that's why we have very few change.
fair shale
I agree the whole system is set up for the convoluted idea of player retention but like
Goddamn FS
Fix the internet lol
azure narwhal
They should just make h40 baseline and your pc ought to explode if you go down
fair shale
This game might genuinely be more consistent P2P
fair shale
Yes. Surely that will fix the game.
mortal aspen
This game might genuinely be more consistent P2P
mortal aspen
vt2 is a very stable game 
fair shale
vt2 is a very stable game <:Kappa:537629459877068826>
Honestly, in my subjective experience I got DC'd less in VT2
fair shale
I can think of a lot of times in DT where I get repeatedly DC'd to a 2001, 2004, or 2014
Or there isnt even an error code its just
"Backend error fuck you go to start screen"
azure narwhal
I unironically went in and out of my havoc match about 20 times in one minute yesterday
Fatshark error coded me everytime i tried to play
I felt like
fair shale
The servers are even worse lately
unreal nova
This game might genuinely be more consistent P2P
You mean always 800 ping.
When I used to play it, lowest ping I had was 600.
fair shale
You mean always 800 ping.
For you? Maybe.
unreal nova
Spiked to over 2k.
I basically just played solo painfully grinding bots up for most part.
Because 1k ping sucks when everything is a 1 shot.
fair shale
Do you not complain about how bad your connection is to these servers anyway
unreal nova
Do you not complain about how bad your connection is to these servers anyway
Not the local.
That's 3-6 ping.
Everywhere else lul.
Well, HK and JP is fine.
Aussie hits 100+ ping.
Everything else is that dog in a burning house meme.
Problem? All those servers are dead at this hour when I play. XD
But 380 ping is still better than 2k ping.
Most ppl's PCs and net is not set up for hosting.
drowsy goblet
whats the point of the heavy sword?
tame lodge
Kills everything that isn't carapace
mortal aspen
an elegant weapon, from the old times
drowsy goblet
Kills everything that isn't carapace
but only with its heavy attacks?
tame lodge
Basically yeah
tame lodge
Relic from old time
tall torrent
This game might genuinely be more consistent P2P
nah lol
tame lodge
Still holds itself because it kills everything that isn't carapace
drowsy goblet
Relic from old time
used to be good before it was nerfed?
drowsy goblet
Still holds itself because it kills everything that isn't carapace
my shock maul kinda does kill everything well AND carapace
tame lodge
used to be good before it was nerfed?
The last time Fatshark touched it was like
3 years ago or something
fair shale
nah lol
You're telling me with that like 40 percent tencent buy out or whatever this is the best the servers can be
drowsy goblet
aha
worn slate
When we talk about the plasma gun, should I run carapace + unyielding or flak armor + unyielding on it?
tame lodge
Flak Unarmored
worn slate
Alright
mortal aspen
You're telling me with that like 40 percent tencent buy out or whatever this is ...
the COMMUNIST swedish government takes 80% of Tencent's money
obese fish has only scraps to work with
ngl, I kinda want to try shock maul on vet
unreal nova
You're telling me with that like 40 percent tencent buy out or whatever this is ...
40%? More like at least 60%. Tencent is majority stock holder atm.
mortal aspen
with all the absurd damage buffs you get now
fair shale
obese fish has only scraps to work with
I like it fwiw, safe like shovel
fair shale
40%? More like at least 60%. Tencent is majority stock holder atm.
Would thst make them in charge of servers
unreal nova
Would thst make them in charge of servers
Nope, only the cash shop.
Any bs the cashshop has/does is Tencent/GW.
fair shale
I want to know why the cash shop cosmetics normally look Bad™ ngl
unreal nova
Ask GW.
fair shale
I would tbh
If you like, really like the regiments normally the non cadian stuff looks a little off
Like the krieg/armageddon sets not having gas mask filters attached
hollow ibex
they prob outsource the models tbh
unreal nova
Like the krieg/armageddon sets not having gas mask filters attached
That's so you can use them off set.
fair shale
they prob outsource the models tbh
They absolutely do
unreal nova
Ppl wish they added full set versions with proper connections.
wicked summit
Me arriving after I tell bro I'ma touch him
topaz scroll
If one was to hypothetically run hellbore, what blessings would you recommend?
wicked summit
If one was to hypothetically run hellbore, what blessings would you recommend?
Crit
fair shale
That's so you can use them off set.
There legitimately has to be a way to make the toob connect
wicked summit
Headshot
hollow ibex
If one was to hypothetically run hellbore, what blessings would you recommend?
surgical + armorbane/weight of fire, depending on the mark
fair shale
Outside of that the chemdog shoulders look insane
topaz scroll
surgical + armorbane/weight of fire, depending on the mark
I dunno the difference between marks lol
fair shale
And a lot of paid cosmetics generally just Look Worse than the penance unlocks quality wise
hollow ibex
if you haven't played helbore much, start with V
IV is also very good
hits like a truck, but just slower
unreal nova
And a lot of paid cosmetics generally just Look Worse than the penance unlocks q...
Is why ppl just want specific ones. The good stuff.
topaz scroll
if you haven't played helbore much, start with V
Used to play it when I first got the game, but once I leveled my vet up to 10 it was useless
hollow ibex
III idk about havoc, but in auric i think V is just better than III
helbore's very good
tall torrent
I want to know why the cash shop cosmetics normally look Bad™ ngl
they'll prob get better
FS is gonna do 2 sets per rotation from last one onward
fair shale
Is why ppl just want specific ones. The good stuff.
Does GW actually look that closely cause lately they kinda give a fuck about accurate model representation
topaz scroll
I wonder if the uhhh death korps build is viable now
I really like the WW1 aesthetic
unreal nova
Does GW actually look that closely cause lately they kinda give a fuck about acc...
GW has to approve for them to be sold.
tame lodge
I wonder if the uhhh death korps build is viable now
🧑🚀 
Most likely better though
Because right side busted
fair shale
GW has to approve for them to be sold.
Thats so weird
unreal nova
The sets you see are approved. Even the Arby cashshop one that's actually unique to this game.
meager echo
I need this 
hollow ibex
i think that top was sold a while back
fair shale
The sets you see are approved. Even the Arby cashshop one that's actually unique...
The overcoat exists in arby art fwiw
Like the way that set is set up is unique
But the elements exist in arby art/models rn
unreal nova
Like the way that set is set up is unique
Yeah, still requires approval anyway. Thing is like a kitbashed model instead of a good/bad 1:1 of an existing thing.
tall torrent
I really like the stupid deluxe edition torso
gauntlet clips into gloves with some animations
fair shale
gauntlet clips into gloves with some animations
There's a void on the regular sets with the gloves and gauntlets anyway
FS quality my boy
unreal nova
Is FS, everything Vet clips as the joke goes...
tall torrent
There's a void on the regular sets with the gloves and gauntlets anyway
this why I use the coat
tall torrent
Is FS, everything Vet clips as the joke goes...
I use cosmetics that clip reasonably little and don't look weird in 1st person
fair shale
This is one of my favorite depictions of a space marine, I think thats why
tall torrent
this my vet
unreal nova
I use cosmetics that clip reasonably little and don't look weird in 1st person
Hats all clip anyway.
tall torrent
I just rock the havoc gear tbh
do heavy2 with power sword VI and watch ur arm not exist in bottom right of screen
unreal nova
Not counting helmets.
unreal nova
Dont like the coat tbh
That coat though... I want the red one so badly.
honest quiver
scrumptious 😋
unreal nova
I like coats... Is why I got the Inquisitor Psyker one as well... a coat on a coat.
fair shale
Yeah thats everyones favorite psyker torso ime
tame lodge
I spawned 15 thousand crushers
Not a single one with green stimm
Btw
You can't see the red eyes on the crusher with the 3 red eyes
Or whatever that mask is
Finally 1 with green
But only 6k hp
Oh well
tall torrent
Not a single one with green stimm
what mod allows havoc scaling and modifiers in meat grinder
tame lodge
Solo play
It's a big weird though
Like the first enemy you spawn has h40 scaling
Then the second has Auric
Then the 3rd has h40 scaling
Or so I noticed
Ok something's weird
The healthbars mod shows 6k dps on Krak
Yeah it's healthbars mod that is weird
willow prairie
health bar mod show dps from the moment something got hit yeah
tame lodge
tall torrent
Yeah it's healthbars mod that is weird
Health bar is not accurate
tall torrent
You need >103.125% damage increase to make krak 1 tap h40 crusher
Which u can easily get with superiority complex + bring it down + grenade tinkerer
orchid hemlock
Easily
tame lodge
Also I severely underestimated Blue Stimmed enemies
yeah healthbar is just not accurate
fym 1
Something about the healthbars mod just not scaling with the +100% I guess
tame lodge
It's a big weird though
see?
the first 2 had more than 2k hp
so either I have to get Power DI for better assessment
or solo play h40 psykhanium is just weird like that
this is actually pretty funny
sudden cedar
hybrid plover
Blue stimmed ragers are absolutely terrifying
tame lodge
kinda weird
sometimes they track me
sometimes they lock their shots into a single place
Apparently based on the timing of your dodge
Aight
Nothing to fear about 45 shots stalkers and shit
hollow ibex
every scab stalker armed with a belt-fed mg-42
tame lodge
50% chance of a 25% chance of getting trigger happy stalkers
turbid ibex
12.5% chance
meager echo
muted peak
I feel like some genders in a character are much more calmer than their gender counterparts, I found female proffessional, cutthroat and male loosecannon much calmer than the other gender
For example their tone changes drastically on voc
void dragon
Loosecannon male sounds like a swashbuckler while female sounds like a Borderlands character i feel
meager echo
I like female zealot voice more than male.
muted peak
Loosecannon male sounds like a swashbuckler while female sounds like a Borderlan...
Wym by a borderlands character?
meager echo
male loose cannon sound like laid back, lazy guys to me haha.
muted peak
He feels like that senior who doesnt give a shit about the job they are doing
And female one sounds like a complete maniac on voc
I love it tho
Gets me hyped up
PUT THE KARKING BOOT IN! 🗣️🔥
meager echo
My favorite is male cut throat.
frank basin
void dragon
Wym by a borderlands character?
many if not all BL characters are a little crazy, which checks for F Loose cannon
prob would fit as the lost big sis of Tiny Tina
meager echo
I love male loose cannon voice more, but cut throat lines is just so badass haha.
spark helm
Cutthroat is insanely corny. That's only reason why I like them. Won't make a character with the personality, but they're comedy relief to me. Comically edgy similar to the zealot fanatic but in a different context.
And it's funny having loose cannon bully them.
calm shard
Cutthroat is insanely corny. That's only reason why I like them. Won't make a ch...
I think they're delightful because the literal only people they get along with are all abhumans lmao
The ogryns and Savant Psyker
spark helm
Hm. Haven't paid hard attention to them in a while. All they often do is wax edgy poetic the majority of the time.
They sound like adults that couldn't develop a personality beyond "hot takes" on the internet as teens for most of their dialogue
tall torrent
Cutthroat only doesn’t get along well with psykers and agitator zealot
Because agitator zealot says Cadia fell because they’re not faithful enough
tall torrent
Hm. Haven't paid hard attention to them in a while. All they often do is wax edg...
Scion helm helps a lot
calm shard
hollow ibex
Cutthroat only doesn’t get along well with psykers and agitator zealot
i think they get along with the seer
🤔
the one that talks about beloved all the time
azure narwhal
Cutthroat is what happens to you when your literal world crumbled, everyone you knew there died, and you alone made it through to some inquisitorial dump. It's about right for a cadian
spark helm
Scion helm helps a lot
Not sure what you're referring to. Are you talking about one of those cosmetics that changes voice effects or something?
tall torrent
Not sure what you're referring to. Are you talking about one of those cosmetics ...
Yea
calm shard
tall torrent
It makes cutthroat sound much less whiny and much more angry
calm shard
best pals
azure narwhal
Yeah it's neat
calm shard
also imo female cutthroat is the best voice acting of any of the rejects but nobody plays that voice lmao
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Cutthroat is what happens to you when your literal world crumbled, everyone you ...
CADIA STANDS 🗣️ 🗣️
azure narwhal
CADIA STANDS 🗣️ 🗣️
The planet broke before the guard
spark helm
It makes cutthroat sound much less whiny and much more angry
Eh, they sound pretty bitter already, the performance gets that across. It's mostly just the random comments from some imperium dork (how I just think about every Imperium thing tbh but I don't really engage with 40k).
tall torrent
*also imo female cutthroat is the best voice acting of any of the rejects but no...
Female cutthroat is proud warrior
Male cutthroat is “gotta lock in” 24/7
hollow bane
is power falchion mk1 the good one
spark helm
Out of nowhere they just start talking like some Square-Enix edgy NPC lol.
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*also imo female cutthroat is the best voice acting of any of the rejects but no...
i only play male professional because im literally John Darktide
azure narwhal
Tbh it's also kinda twisted expectations in a way
These 40k games are made much lighter to be more appealing ofc
But someone like cutthroat
Is about the personality you'd expect
From someone growing up under the imperium's living conditions
spark helm
None of the tone is really lost on me in darktide. It's a pretty shit universe to be part of.
azure narwhal
Darktide still did it well
tall torrent
is power falchion mk1 the good one
ya
azure narwhal
Way better than some of its competitors for sure
40k overall needs elements of a lifeless ambience and a touch of horror imo, to be just right
But this is a very hard thing to do
Space Hulk Deathwing is a game which made 40k extremely well and the game part not so much for example
fair shale
Lewis Jones captures what 40k is well imo but idk how you translate that into a game
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40k overall needs elements of a lifeless ambience and a touch of horror imo, to ...
see this is why digimon story cyber sleuth is the perfect 40k game. in this essay i will
azure narwhal
hollow ibex
is power falchion mk1 the good one
Yes
tall torrent
But this is a very hard thing to do
DT and RT both do it
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i reaally want to play rogue trader
its a shame im kinda broke
fair shale
I love that RT has a word quick reference glossary lmao
tall torrent
i reaally want to play rogue trader
its a shame im kinda broke
wat steam region are u in
tall torrent
no like
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ill buy it when i get to it
tall torrent
pretty sure that game can be family shared
if ur in canada I can just family share lol
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(im not in canada)
tall torrent
unfortunate
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also i have a steam family w my brother already
tall torrent
ill buy it when i get to it
u can also check cdkey websites I got the game for like 40 bucks with deluxe + voidfarer + szn pass 1
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damn rlly?
hearty panther
you could also 🏴☠️ BUY THE GAME FROM WALMART 🏴☠️ but who would ever do such a thing
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i still have to finish a few games and im really busy atm tho so ill wait around
tall torrent
damn rlly?
yea dm rq
spark helm
Check isthereanydeal too.
spark helm
Gog is nice library vendor when I actually looked into it.
spark helm
I can't even get swotor proper to work lol
azure narwhal
DT and RT both do it
It's well done in these games. But imo Sh:Dw nailed it. It is downright depressing in the best way possible. Imagine this:
Exterminatus level threat missions with a 3 man terminator squad, cramped inside of a space hulk. It is dead quiet in the game, there is only the creak of metal and the screech of the genestealers, all you see is whatever your flashlight picks up in most areas. On your way to objectives you see your brothers opened up and tortured in many ways, your own team members are silent for the most part, they make whatever conversation they can amongst the darkness
spark helm
Sometimes, I don't want to spend time sliding stability mods.
covert fable
im a tried and true fanatical and greenmangaming fan
Isthereanydeal.
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i just trust those 2 websites a lot more than other grey market sites
they havent let me down yet
barren nimbus
Are the new bolter variants good
tame lodge
The least egregious one is bolt pistol variant
Bolt Pistol always struggled with breakpoints
So you can feel free to change damage for AoE
tall torrent
The least egregious one is bolt pistol variant
that's the most egregious one
complete ass
tepid otter
Hear hear
spark helm
Are the new bolter variants good
It's usable enough for me but I prefer the original mark much more unless I'm really playing around with ws and just using the new mark as a goofy cc button for approaches.
And even within that, the new boltpistol mark is way better in that regard
barren nimbus
I always never understood bolt pistol fans. It always felt like absolute piss
lost frigate
quickdraw stubber markXIV is cool but it really haven't any strength over other mark
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I always never understood bolt pistol fans. It always felt like absolute piss
lethal prox
tepid otter
I hear its decent on like Zealot but on a Vet, I think I prefer the Boltgun over it
lost frigate
bolt pistol make you feel like commissar, sergant
tepid otter
Now if we can only wield the Chainsword on the other hand
tall torrent
I hear its decent on like Zealot but on a Vet, I think I prefer the Boltgun over...
nah it's just ass 24/7
worst designed ranged weapon in the game
tall torrent
before they fixed stagger but there was some reason to use it to stagger bulwark with mk6 (new variant)
but now it's just completely irrelevant
if u want a fast swap stagger gun for killing specials, autopistol is way better
if u want mixed horde wipe, flamer
hybrid plover
It's usable enough for me but I prefer the original mark much more unless I'm re...
The new bolter mark actually does, ya know.
Damage.
I actually like the new bolter and despise the new bistol
rare kite
hey I'm new really enjoying the game! what ability is good and how do I use them?
the shouts pretty fun so far but I'm just curious
tall torrent
hey I'm new really enjoying the game! what ability is good and how do I use them...
exe stance and VoC both good for vet
lost frigate
Exe stance is fun
tall torrent
infil is playable but not as good
lost frigate
But u need to position urself carefully
feral jetty
hey all
how's it going
haven't played since august, how's the tree rework and stuff?
distant plaza
ballin'
tepid otter
Vets in a good place now
rare kite
exe stance and VoC both good for vet
🙏
tepid otter
I dont know about the other classes tho, I've been one tricking Vet since I bought the game
hollow bane
best melee wep for vet?
tall torrent
best melee wep for vet?
power sword VI
tepid otter
Despite how mid it is
tall torrent
nothing else is close
hollow bane
Despite how mid it is
not dueling sword?
tepid otter
I fw it
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not dueling sword?
dueling sword is ok on vet but much better on other classes
tepid otter
Kinda bored of it tho
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he doesn't really struggle with elite/special killing since
yknow
ps6 exists and has good ranged weapons
calm shard
i reaally want to play rogue trader
its a shame im kinda broke
🏴☠️
tepid otter
Yarr harr
hollow bane
Power sword has the whole package
in what way vs dueling sword?
gilded wraith
haven't played since august, how's the tree rework and stuff?
Lots of positives. CDR was gutted compared to other classes. Ex-stance and Marksman's Focus feel good.
feral jetty
gotchu
tall torrent
not dueling sword?
very overpowered but doesn't cover as many things as power sword
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in what way vs dueling sword?
Dueling sword has good elite killing (which vet doesn't lack)
it lacks in horde clear (which vet generally lacks)
ps6 you go schwing schwing schwing and everything in front of you is gone
tall torrent
in what way vs dueling sword?
tepid otter
balls?
gilded wraith
Horde clear is bad
Dueling sword horde clear consists of scraping them off on teammates as you run past.
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yea
tall torrent
Is it Special, PA, L2?
L4
hybrid plover
in what way vs dueling sword?
Good single target damage with push stab.
Good horde clear with wide light swings and sunder.
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or smth like that idr the semantics
hybrid plover
And the mobility isn't terrible since you don't have to dump that stat.
hollow ibex
dodges are bad but mobility itself is ok
hybrid plover
Honestly if you want a mobile option that can horde clear, unironically, combat knife mk6 is a better choice than dueling sword
Dueling sword is abrasively good at one thing and one thing only.
hollow ibex
taxe is prob the better choice for mobile horde clear tbh
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zoom up to a dude and whack him in the face, then zoom away
lost frigate
Shovel is fun tho, if not a serious match
hybrid plover
I'm throwing an option that you wouldn't expect to be better than a sword that just is
lost frigate
Just try all the weapon and find the one that u find comfortable and have fun
hybrid plover
Taxe is a particular case cuz of brometum
lost frigate
U can play anything as long as u aren't burden to the team
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yo where my smykers at
tepid otter
wats dat
hollow ibex
yo where my smykers at
ooooooh smykers, come out smyyyyykers
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ooooooh smykers, come out smyyyyykers
WHERE DID ALL THE SMYKERS GO WHY WONT THEY COME OUT AND PLAAAAY
tepid otter
lost frigate
Smyker = Smite user ?
stuck gorge
smkyer is what everyone calls the psykers that almost exclusively spam smite rather than learning how to play the class / game
tepid otter
Is smite just E mode or something
hollow ibex
yeah smyker's not just a build, it's a specific playstyle that people consciously choose to engage in (which means i feel 0 guilt when they die to an accidental barrel explosion)
lost frigate
But unlimited powa tho
stuck gorge
yeah smyker's not just a build, it's a specific playstyle that people consciousl...
(sir the smyker died in the barrel explosion gif)
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sir a second barrel has hit the smyker
void dragon
(sir the smyker died in the barrel explosion gif)
tall torrent
sharp epoch
yeah smyker's not just a build, it's a specific playstyle that people consciousl...
its a valid playstyle, but shouldnt be as strong as it is
anything that rewards low skill is not great balancing this also goes for the braindead ogryn club spam
hollow ibex
it's an incredibly selfish playstyle
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it's not strong 💔 💔 💔
actually it has good cc but it contributes like nothing to dps
hollow ibex
anything that rewards low skill is not great balancing this also goes for the br...
at least that was nerfed
hollow ibex
actually it has good cc but it contributes like nothing to dps
it can output pretty insane dps too
sharp epoch
it's not strong 💔 💔 💔
its the current h40 meta and it keeps up with regular staff psykers
hollow ibex
against anything short of crushers basically
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???
sharp epoch
in damage
hollow ibex
yeah you can do horde clear / mixed horde clear with it
sharp epoch
at least that was nerfed
yeah it was which is a good step
sharp epoch
i thought that was flame staff psykers
Scriers gaze + empowered psionics + smite = constant dps on all armor types 24/7
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damn
sharp epoch
Current havoc meta is double psyker and other classes to fill in
hybrid plover
If it's a new player using smite, I'll be forgiving and understand that someone is eventually going to kill them anyway
hybrid plover
If it's an actually experienced player
hollow ibex
Both are very strong either way
hybrid plover
Every barrel is just free real estate.
hollow ibex
Even in the hands of a total moron
tepid otter
Speaking of, is havoc okay now, or do people still have these disconnect issues
tepid otter
Someone mentioned it was one of the modifiers causing the issue, I got dc'd like 3 times in the same havoc game and it was just messing my match up
sharp epoch
the one that dcs the whole lobby is from rotten armor though
happened consistently with a smite psyker and pretty often with a nuke ogryn
tepid otter
Well whatever it was, I couldn't sit through one match properly, so someone mentioned to just wait before going back at it
Tryinna get some Auric Titles instead
gilded wraith
Which Vigilant would you recommend?
tall torrent
Which Vigilant would you recommend?
3
gilded wraith
3 round burst with headhunter, DA?
hybrid plover
Or falter no respite
hollow ibex
Or falter no respite <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
I have not tried that combo lol
hybrid plover
Those two together are genuinely funny.
And it actually feels like it works pretty darn well
gilded wraith
Gotcha, just going off Path's word document for the 3 rnd.
hollow ibex
Gotcha, just going off Path's word document for the 3 rnd.
That’s a bit old given vigilants got reworked
fast shale
If I dont use some form of uncannny in my weapon am I throwing?
hybrid plover
If I dont use some form of uncannny in my weapon am I throwing?
No.
fast shale
But am I missing dmg?
hybrid plover
Uncanny is not completely necessary for every weapon that has it except maybe shovel mk1
fast shale
With the nade - bleeds thing
hybrid plover
Okay if you're using shreddera
Then it is highly recommended.
But on its own, its not the end of the world
fast shale
How highwly? like from 1 to 10
hybrid plover
Especially since vet does have means for rending in the tree that isn't too hard to path to
hybrid plover
How highwly? like from 1 to 10
Probably 10 tbh
fast shale
Woah
hybrid plover
Because all of your bleed is affected by uncanny
fast shale
Probably 10 tbh
And not even stutter for a 9, straight to 10?
hybrid plover
And not even stutter for a 9, straight to 10?
It's the one blitz that really loves uncanny.
If you were talking kraks or smokes, that number goes way lower
fast shale
I have this pretty skin for the tac axe... it feels wrong leaving it there in the dust
But the dmg fall off, yeah I do feel it
hollow ibex
I have this pretty skin for the tac axe... it feels wrong leaving it there in th...
Nice I use this skin too
fast shale
Unlike any other weapon that can sue uncanny
shut roost
whats the dump stat on the power falchion and power sword?
hollow ibex
whats the dump stat on the power falchion and power sword?
Mobility on falch
Cleave targets on PS
sharp epoch
Unlike any other weapon that can sue uncanny
why would you want to sue uncanny
shut roost
ive got a perfect falchion in my store but the dump stat is finesse, everything else is 80%
fast shale
why would you want to sue uncanny
Reparations for the crimes of making my builds have no diversity
Feels like always have to go uncanny if I want to sweat/good build
shut roost
kinda getting bored of my revolver for elite sniping, any other weapons that are good at that? ive used the bolt pistol way too much on my other builds
hollow ibex
ive got a perfect falchion in my store but the dump stat is finesse, everything ...
finesse is never the dump
just gamble at brunts
you should get a mob dump pretty fast
hybrid plover
ive got a perfect falchion in my store but the dump stat is finesse, everything ...
That is the furthest thing from perfect
That is the most imperfect falchion actually.
shut roost
That is the furthest thing from perfect
thats what I meant, perfect 80% in all stats with a 60% dump stat but its the wrong stat
gilded wraith
That’s a bit old given vigilants got reworked
Do you know what the post rework recommendations are for the 3 round burst model?
void dragon
Have the New vet managed to make even Brautos feel Havoc possible?
tame lodge
You can bring a brauto to havoc
hollow ibex
Do you know what the post rework recommendations are for the 3 round burst model...
blessings are surg/HH + DA
tame lodge
As long as you never use it
hollow ibex
perks prob flak unyielding
tame lodge
hollow ibex
i won't stand for this brauto slander
midnight wyvern
Have the New vet managed to make even Brautos feel Havoc possible?
hollow ibex
brauto buff when
void dragon
Not even OPness can save those guns, and maybe not even DClaw
zenith carbon
increase swap speed and movement speed
hollow ibex
they all need dodges buffed to 4 base
graia needs to fire at max RPM without bracing
columnus needs to have a much tighter spread in general
and little spread growth
all of them could use a 10% damage buff or so
and a slightly larger mag size to make up for how dogshit the reload speed is
that's all
otherwise the brautos are in a good spot 
tepid otter
Perks and Blessings for Infantry Auto..?
hybrid plover
Perks and Blessings for Infantry Auto..?
Depends on what you wanna do with it.
hollow ibex
blessing is always dumdum + deathspitter or sustained fire pretty much tbh
hybrid plover
DumDum is usually a must pick.
hollow ibex
perks usually unyielding + flak or maniac or crit chance
tepid otter
What mark as well
tepid otter
Depends on what you wanna do with it.
Just spray and pray I guess
hollow ibex
Agri for a more well-rounded gun
hollow ibex
Just spray and pray I guess <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
that's brauto lol
tepid otter
Agri for a more well-rounded gun
I'll try this
hollow ibex
IAG you still really want to laand weakspot hits
agri is great, prob not as good as the new vigilants, but still good
hybrid plover
Honestly, I think for any class but psyker, crit chance is a must pick for perks
Because functionally, it isn't actually 5% crit chance because of crit strings.
Psyker doesn't need it because high innate crit chance and damage since they're overpowered
cunning sandal
Low key... Agri Shotty with Marksman's Focus feels beautiful
lost frigate
power sword stats dump?
tall torrent
power sword stats dump?
cleave targets
tepid otter
bad north pfp
was a good game to pass time
spark helm
Yeah, the helbore passive charge mod was the real move. I love this gun.
I've finally come full circle with las weapons. 😌
tepid otter
Is that where it charges when you aim down sight
charred kraken
I need to talk to an American commissar
spark helm
🤨
dusty lava
I need to talk to an American commissar
charred kraken
Also
spark helm
Well the person is definitely yellow for making light of that. Nothing a barrel grief can't solve.
dusty lava
spark helm
I guess, man.
charred kraken
Im not trying to be racist im just trying to uphold the law
tepid otter
dusty lava
Im not trying to be racist im just trying to uphold the law
alright man
just like stop speaking
👍
tepid otter
I was just as confused as the next guy lmao
charred kraken
just like stop speaking
spark helm
tidal tartan
How's a 70/70 power sword instead of dumping cleave targets or mobility?
feels like it could be nice
remote sonnet
Cleave targets is also damage distribution vs multiple target.
You would want it to be higher.
tidal tartan
oh actually?
hollow ibex
no cleave targets is the dump
tidal tartan
I thought cleave targets was the dump
tame lodge
Cleave targets is also damage distribution vs multiple target.
That's Cleave DAMAGE
tidal tartan
I mean it does affect damage distribution but I'd want to know the Sunder interaction
tidal tartan
on god?
tame lodge
Yuh
It's just saying that your lights have 3.56 clv and your heavies have 7.9
Which doesn't matter because when powered both go to 10.9-11.7
tidal tartan
I thought it would lead to less damage falloff per enemy hit does it literally just do nothing then or what
tame lodge
It's just cleave
wraith lion
Trash or keep
tame lodge
So-so
meager echo
plasma gunner is really anoying to shoot with helbore V... It take 3 headshots to kill.
hollow ibex
havoc i presume?
wraith lion
plasma gunner is really anoying to shoot with helbore V... It take 3 headshots t...
The head is carapace, stop hitting it in the head
spark helm
Chest is flak like maulers.
wraith lion
Does Rending Strikes affect ranged fire too
meager echo
i have a really hard time dealing with them using helbore
spark helm
What's the most common situation that ends up being a point of failure? Do you happen to record your missions?
hollow ibex
Does Rending Strikes affect ranged fire too
Yes
meager echo
It's not to the point that I fail to deal with them. I find it's faster to just throw smoke and melee them. Everything else, gunners, reapers die really fast like 3 shots top.
The pain is real
meager echo
meanwhile it kills reapers like it's normal gunners. This gun is so weird.
meager echo
It could be because I dont fully charge the shot
junior grail
Which helbore is prefered? The IV? Considering the buffed Crusher and Mauler health
hollow ibex
i really like V
void dragon
mk5 feels like "Infantry Lasguns but good"
hollow ibex
Yeh
jovial lodge
does cranial grounding for the power falcion not show up in the buff bar?
dry cloak
does cranial grounding for the power falcion not show up in the buff bar?
bug of the buff bar
tidal tartan
I use the IV helbore because of higher crusher hp but it's really just which one you prefer to use cause some people just cant
meager echo
I use the mkV because I tend to miss shots a lot, it's more forgiving. Faster charge and less amo per charge.
I tried the mk4. Missing shots hurt a lot...
mkv is really comfy for sniping special. Shoot fast, big mag, plenty of room for errors.
void dragon
Mk4 had my back against the plasma menace when no one else had it, mk4 Helbore is hero in my eyes
meager echo
can 2 shots body shot most special, dont even need to headshot.
junior grail
In lore the lasguns can regen ammo when near a heat source, new blessing maybe?
Unless they add a Hotshot blessing where crits ignore armour hahaha
void dragon
in lore they can also turn a battery mag into a grenade, i want taht as a new special
meager echo
in lore they can also turn a battery mag into a grenade, i want taht as a new sp...
You can do that with plasma gun, turn yourself into big boom
void dragon
You can do that with plasma gun, turn yourself into big boom <:KEKW_ogryn:102207...
that's the Psyker experience, im thinking more veteran, just more Dahl and less Torgue than usual
hybrid plover
tox bombers make me want to shout various profanities
void dragon
Channel that energy by performing recreational man-hunting on them, it's therapeutic
vapid nacelle
I have a newfound unhealthy obsession with max movement speed and I feel bad for my teammates
meager echo
There is no way that's the sound it makes when it fires
I use the pewpew mod, the original sound is not very good
undone jungle
though if you want movement speed you should play gunker
with the crazy amount of sprint speed you can stack zealot is absurd too
hollow ibex
yeah true zealot's also a speedy boi
undone jungle
yeah true zealot's also a speedy boi
max speed + shroud + max mobility cknife is absurd
undone jungle
But so tiresome after the game.
i deadass have too many joint problems 😭 id have to install an autoclicker if i wanted to use it
livid sphinx
Thats why I dont ever use focus target
undone jungle
knife gunker
knife is a nice tool for psykers but atp id rather just use a deimos with absurd weakpoint stacking ngl
talking about RSI did you know you can qq cancel the light 1 of deimos
it's really funny and ow it hurts
hybrid plover
i did and also no i am not going to onset myself for carpal tunnel even more than i already do playing this game on the basis that i do
remote sonnet
Tac axe is psyker was the rage in psyker chat.
undone jungle
i did and also no i am not going to onset myself for carpal tunnel even more tha...
i do qq cancel l1 into h2 so i can keep getting l1 instead of l2 for it because i hate myself tho
undone jungle
Tac axe is psyker was the rage in psyker chat.
i might tap in later it just feels oddly slow
i know they allegedly buffed the sprint speed but it doesn't feel that fast to me idk
hybrid plover
also, praise be that veteran has gotten their imperium mandated asthma pump and can actually hold their own in damage in havoc consistently
gone are the days of existing as an ammo dispenser
tall torrent
Cleave targets is also damage distribution vs multiple target.
it's not
hybrid plover
aint that literally called "cleave damage"
open ravine
I feel plasma works best on stealth vet now
Just synergies nicely with it pushing plasma over those one shot breakpoints especially if you pair it with focus target
Plus gives you the much needed breathing room that plasma needs at times
sharp epoch
I feel plasma works best on stealth vet now
stealth vet was indirectly nerfed considerably last patch at least in auric+
better off going exe stance for those breakpoints
sharp epoch
they nerfed tactical awareness, vets one cdr node which probably doubles your cooldown realistically now
calm shard
Which helbore is prefered? The IV? Considering the buffed Crusher and Mauler hea...
p sure it's preference?
open ravine
they nerfed tactical awareness, vets one cdr node which probably doubles your co...
Felt fine to me on auric
sharp epoch
if your good you can run anything in auric I guess
open ravine
But current stealth is really good like huge buffs and stuns a lot of dudes
I actually feel it's a bit better than shout in terms of suppressing enemies as stun last longer than knockdown
zenith carbon
but 50% more cooldown
open ravine
The buffs are big and it saves you big time in some situations
sharp epoch
the problem with stealth in dt is it dumps aggro on your teammates, its like the opposite of shout in how it helps your team
tepid otter
huh, never thought of it that away
open ravine
Just be a team player and suppress the enemies around teammates
You use stealth to get that annoying asshole in the back, revive guys in sticky situations and do mission objectives when the game just won't stop
here is the build I was using which felt pretty good
A bit of a hybrid class but mainly focuses on getting those big damage numbers
old cobalt
here is the build I was using which felt pretty good
.
25% reload speed exclusively when you're NOT pressed to reload quickly vs a stacking 5-25% crit chance is a pretty big diff in usecase
open ravine
why not drop Tactical Reload for Reciprocity?
Running plasma which works well with tactical reload
old cobalt
because it doesnt reload, it just cools your weapon 25% faster?
open ravine
Plasma has a long reload so its nice to speed it up where you can
If you run something else I would drop tactical reload
old cobalt
yeah ive always looked at that as a total dogshit node not even worth consideration
but ive also never run plasma gun
so
open ravine
yeah ive always looked at that as a total dogshit node not even worth considerat...
Nah 25% can make a huge difference
midnight mortar
but ive also never run plasma gun
Yeah with plasma what matters most frankly is uptime.
old cobalt
Like if you intentionally reload at 1/2 bullets left every time
midnight mortar
It's not like it needs that much help hitting breakpoints.
Certainly not with crits.
old cobalt
yeah im pretty ignorant about plasma n stuffs
open ravine
Yeah plasma gets some really high Crit chance naturally with its best blessings
midnight mortar
Having smoother, faster reloads for those moments when you have 8+ specials and etc. that all NEED to die makes all the difference.
old cobalt
noted, so this is 100% a plasma gun focused build with melee as a plan b
open ravine
Yeah
open ravine
The boosts from stealth help it hit those one shots
old cobalt
I tried plasma/power sword as a duo with weapon specialist and holy shit
i dont think ive ever played with anything in any game that felt MORE unintuitive/clunky
open ravine
Plasma doesn't synergies as well as other weapons with executioner stance
old cobalt
i was using VoC tbf
open ravine
VOC is just an all-rounder so anything works with it
old cobalt
but it definitely does not feel great to deal with the PS clunk then swap to Plasma rifle just to pot shot
I would much rather run Zarona/Bolt Pistol
sharp epoch
i use exe stance with plasma just fine 🧍
old cobalt
plasma seems like with exe stance its either like really bad or DISGUSTING
depending on situation
open ravine
i use exe stance with plasma just fine 🧍
You can use it but it doesn't utilise the ability as well as other weapons can
old cobalt
I just wish Fat Shark would give the Zarona a speedloader
so i can run it exclusively
but 6 shots in the cylinder with slow reload when there are 30 elites staring at you is n o t optimal
open ravine
Like recon and other automatic weapons can become exceptional on executioner
old cobalt
Like recon and other automatic weapons can become exceptional on executioner
recon + exe is sex
remote sonnet
Bolt pistol is a thing...
old cobalt
its what i use 90% of the time
old cobalt
Bolt pistol is a thing...
they have a different vibe/asthetic
I REALLY like revolvers. Always have.
open ravine
Bolt pistol is a thing...
It works well on a weapon specialist build of quick switching between melee and ranged
old cobalt
Zarona Revolver just feels so GOOD
sinful palm
On vet i kinda like bolt pistol with knife 
grenade spammmmm all match baby
open ravine
But I feel bolters have become a bit of arbites baby just because of how well the stagger buffs work with it
old cobalt
I'd love to run Zarona+DS for that duelist vibe
old cobalt
But I feel bolters have become a bit of arbites baby just because of how well th...
oh god i havent even thought of that
arbite gets so much stagger synergy
open ravine
Yeah
old cobalt
they dont even need to use the gun to kill, do they? they can just stagger and go off with ASM
open ravine
If an arbites isn't using one of their amazing class exclusives they are using a bolter
undone jungle
But I feel bolters have become a bit of arbites baby just because of how well th...
tbh the new boltgun is pretty hype, i prefer old boltgun on arbi nowadays tho
my tummy hurts
has anyone figured out what the new bistol does or is it coal because the bigger aoe feels whatever
midnight mortar
has anyone figured out what the new bistol does or is it coal because the bigger...
Worse damage, more AoE.
So basically dead.
old cobalt
soooooooooooo basically I get to use the Zarona and NOT be shit on for throwing?
Because the alternative is dead?
undone jungle
Bistol is already 💀
tbh the main reason to use it on vet is buffing your nade aoe but it is a great wep for every other class
tame lodge
Arby's is the only one that can make something out of it
undone jungle
Worse damage, more AoE.
it's so boring i wish it was more interesting
tame lodge
Which is funny
old cobalt
So is that a YES on the Zarona? Or is the Zarona still kinda ass?
undone jungle
So is that a YES on the Zarona? Or is the Zarona still kinda ass?
which one
the shotgun or revolver
old cobalt
Revolver
tame lodge
Zarona Revolver is the best weapon in the game (auric)
mortal aspen
does zarona have two barrels? no? trash
tall torrent
I updated guide a bit to merge variants into single sections
undone jungle
GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME
it falls off in Havoc like anything relying on breakpoints
old cobalt
it would be a LOT better with Tac Reload yeah?
undone jungle
it would be a LOT better with Tac Reload yeah?
you just run it with weapon spec
you never need to reload it
old cobalt
you just run it with weapon spec
thats the goal
undone jungle
CAUSE IT RELOADS WHENEVER YOU SWAP TO IT
you can keep it on 1 ammo for crucian roulette max
old cobalt
so if its empty, you just swap back to melee, swing swong, swap back it has ammo
undone jungle
like it's perfectly fine it's just not the only option anymore like 8 months ago
undone jungle
so if its empty, you just swap back to melee, swing swong, swap back it has ammo
yearp
old cobalt
uhh
undone jungle
you can easily go thru games never needing to see the reload anim
old cobalt
is running it with Dueling Sword viable?
undone jungle
is running it with Dueling Sword viable?
yeah i guess
old cobalt
gotta get that duelist asthetic
old cobalt
is it? lmao
old cobalt
so now that its not meta i can run it and be a hipster?
old cobalt
I've been running Zarona since I bought the game in 2024 lmao
the revolver
just took a big ass break
undone jungle
it got a tiny nerf to its strongest blessing that's abt it
remote sonnet
they have a different vibe/asthetic
Yeah, but having some drawback is normal.
undone jungle
ppl still run it on h40 it's just one of those "might not be the most optimal" things since h40 vet is plasma recon helboring meta due to breakpoint shenanigans
but don't only run h40 builds
shit is perfectly viable up to like h30 even
pulsar patio
recon las my beloved
old cobalt
i run recon las/exe stance
remote sonnet
Also, you can try the Agrip, it might usually need 1 more hit to kill vs Zarona, but it hits faster. It will grow on you.
old cobalt
i love just seeing a guy getting jumped by 400 enemies and holding the trigger down until the heatdeath of the universe
undone jungle
i run recon las/exe stance
old cobalt
https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-factory-you-will-never-find-another-store-...
SHIT'S FUN I DONT WANNA HEAR IT
wild hearth
Im still trying to figure out whats viable outside of recon lasgun and plasma
undone jungle
SHIT'S FUN I DONT WANNA HEAR IT
it is but it's really funny that you're asking if dueling sword + revolver VoC is "still good"
old cobalt
i havent played the game in ages
undone jungle
Im still trying to figure out whats viable outside of recon lasgun and plasma
helbore, vigilant autogun is busted rn too
old cobalt
im still used to the OLD gamble system where you had to sac weapons for their perks
undone jungle
that's kinda abt it for h40
wild hearth
helbore, vigilant autogun is busted rn too
Graia vigil?
remote sonnet
IAG is a good alternative.
undone jungle
Graia vigil?
afaik they're all alright but ppl like the single shot 1
i think graia
I don't remember their new names
wild hearth
Graia is the 1 shot
old cobalt
I came back like
- Mastery
"The fuck is this?" - Arbite
"The fuck is that?" - Relic Blades
"FUCK ARE THOSE?"
undone jungle
they're still headhunters to me
remote sonnet
The burst ones are better than the single shot, but that's my personal thing.
undone jungle
The burst ones are better than the single shot, but that's my personal thing.
tbh build dependant scratches my ass
remote sonnet
Also, laspistol is quite good even for high Havoc.
undone jungle
i like the single shot it goo but they all sound like shit so use pewpew to give them cool sfx
meager echo
I came back like
- Mastery
"The fuck is this?"
- Arbite
"The fuck is that?"
- Re...
I came back just right after arbites release. Best class ever haha.
wild hearth
Does vet participate in dealing damage to carapce with vigilant autoguns?
Or is it nade and run
meager echo
Unfortunately i'm late for the bleed explosion dog.
undone jungle
Also, laspistol is quite good even for high Havoc.
true but it is abysmal dogshit vs plasmas
old cobalt
god this is so cursed
undone jungle
unfortunately
old cobalt
seeing 500 on a profane is just WEIRD
old cobalt
Zarona Revolver blessings/perks?
undone jungle
true but it is abysmal dogshit vs plasmas
at least it has Ghost tho
undone jungle
Zarona Revolver blessings/perks?
uhhh fuck let me remember
you normally ran unarmoured% for sniper bodyshot and dreg gunner headshots
undone jungle
the critical hit rending one and headhunter or roulette your choice
remote sonnet
Hand-Cannon Point Blank
undone jungle
im comfy on my couch I can't check my perks rn but unarmoured was a thing for it
old cobalt
ill run Crucian/Hand Cannon probably
remote sonnet
If you want to try agrip, Hand-Cannon and Crucian Roulette, it does quite a big DPS.
undone jungle
If you want to try agrip, Hand-Cannon and Crucian Roulette, it does quite a big ...
might try it out
do you use the mag size talent on it
undone jungle
okay good cus my build can't afford it XD
undone jungle
However, you can tank it for more crit chance.
seems cute what perks cus idk agris bps at all
old cobalt
might run CA over DS with Zarona
just for SOME cleave
PS feels super duper yucky to me
undone jungle
might run CA over DS with Zarona
you could just run combat knife
old cobalt
knoife
undone jungle
outside of super high Havoc it's very good
remote sonnet
Run whatever perk you want
old cobalt
ill keep knife in mind but im literally too broke to max the mastery on it rn