Looks like this for me
#veteran-class
fast shale
tame lodge
💀
tepid otter
Looks like this for me
click the arrow next to classes
fast shale
It says "This channel is not on your list"
tepid otter
oh, weird..?
fast shale
click the arrow next to classes
Nothing
tepid otter
get a mod im guessing 
, i think its a perms thing
amber ether
u got banned from the ogryn channel 
fast shale
u got banned from the ogryn channel <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Hmmm why?
fast shale
Oki
meager echo
it's bonker man, tons of damage
tall torrent
How does psyker get 0 blitz damage
tall torrent
Havoc default is brain rupture for psyker tbh
solar valve
does power DI make KF count
midnight wyvern
or no KF and doesn't manual BB
solar valve
I would expect like
midnight wyvern
plenty of reasons for someone to be a goober
solar valve
a couple BR's
tall torrent
Not taking KF on brain rupture atm feels like trolling
midnight wyvern
tall torrent
Cuz KF is way higher damage than brain rupture itself
midnight wyvern
I play similar servers to them and ive seen plenty of people taking smite and never using it
tall torrent
It benefits from ur perks and blessings
midnight wyvern
so I am not surprised
at just general no blitz damage on psyker
why use tools that're available to you when you could not do that
just that shrimple
tidal tartan
What's a good melee weapon for single target damage pumping onto bosses and whatnot? I don't care at all about killing crushers or any elites at all, I purely want some boss damage and isolated target damage to save some ammo. I currently use the chain axe halfway because I can just rev click to apply 16 bleed stacks and halfway because I love forge world Orestes
tepid otter
What's a good melee weapon for single target damage pumping onto bosses and what...
Combat Knife, Rashaad, Dueling Sword
tepid otter
Theres Rashaad with the overhead heavy, does pretty well for single targets imo
midnight wyvern
What's a good melee weapon for single target damage pumping onto bosses and what...
thunder hammer
power sword does good damage
can't beat POWAH
tidal tartan
True I was looking towards the rashaad I just don’t have mastery
tall torrent
What's a good melee weapon for single target damage pumping onto bosses and what...
Power sword VI
tepid otter
I still bring weaps i dont have much levels into aurics just so it levels up more quickly
Or just sacrifice weapons
tidal tartan
Its hard to find info online that isn’t 1.5 years old
tall torrent
tepid otter
powah overwhelming
tidal tartan
See that's clearly good but I play very gun focused and would rather get a big bonk off once in a while that possibly applies debuffs or whatnot not melee shredding
tall torrent
Vraks V infantry autogun
midnight wyvern
tidal tartan
Thats why I like chain axe to get bleed ticking while I shoot
midnight wyvern
PS is the best burst you're going to get out of a melee on vet
tidal tartan
Aiight I'll level up my power sword and rashaad and see how I like em
sharp epoch
just run ds if you got no talents for melee
tall torrent
other than running
It’s also better at running than most things else
sharp epoch
its so bad without desperado
tall torrent
Cuz u get 80% mobility
tidal tartan
I refuse respectfully
tall torrent
For +0.27m/s sprint bonus
When most melee weapons dump mobility for 0.09 sprint bonus
tidal tartan
Do you dump cleave targets or cleave damage?
tall torrent
Do you dump cleave targets or cleave damage?
Cleave targets
tidal tartan
Kk
tall torrent
tidal tartan
I used it a bit and was just confused cause I really wanted a good overhead or stab heavy attack and it was only sweeping
I only did like 1 mission though lmao
tall torrent
I used it a bit and was just confused cause I really wanted a good overhead or s...
Push atk
tepid otter
PA , light, repeat I think is the combo
tall torrent
I say that cause you have the 20% more heavy attacks damage blessing
Sunder is for cleave
tidal tartan
Kk
tall torrent
For horde?
Special
Block cancel
Light atk 3 times
meager echo
How does psyker get 0 blitz damage
he go bubble.
tidal tartan
Nice
hybrid plover
personally don't like how clunky it feels but that alone puts it at a level of horde clear that can't really be challenged
tall torrent
he go bubble.
Blitz is brain rupture / smite / assail
hybrid plover
I'm basically looking for a secondary anyway
if ur looking for a supplementary melee weapon for a ranged heavy build, tac axe may be ur best bet
tidal tartan
if ur looking for a supplementary melee weapon for a ranged heavy build, tac axe...
Yeah I used tac axe for a bit on arbites too and tried it on vet but I just kinda don't get it
tidal tartan
It isn't my playstyle
meager echo
i have no idea if his build is good or not xD.
hybrid plover
so they have the talent that gives toughness on warp kills
on the staff, that mostly gets DoT kills
and no other toughness talent
meager echo
as long as the psyker has bubble, it's good enough for me
tall torrent
I think crit chance is psyker’s best aura rn tbh
hybrid plover
I think crit chance is psyker’s best aura rn tbh
esp on scrier's
since you can kinda just ignore cooldown entirely as long as you keep it going for long enough
meager echo
no one play the new popular smite build in my sv. I have no idea why.
tall torrent
esp on scrier's
Nah just in general
hybrid plover
no one play the new popular smite build in my sv. I have no idea why.
i rlly dont think you want people to do that
it is actually mind numbingly boring
meager echo
it is actually mind numbingly boring
Pretty much my sv, they just use old stuff. I see no different between new and old patch.
shy parcel
If there’s no stagger/cc resistant enemies
hybrid plover
I'd say it's for the best on this one because that build unironically makes the game like
shy parcel
Almost impossible to lose
shy parcel
Team just needs to able to handle ranged enemies and bosses
calm shard
what's this about a new smite build?
meager echo
It's a blessing in disguise tbh. You just play their builds and it's very easy to win.
midnight wyvern
scriers lets you infinitely cast Smite
and its cringe
I dunno if its new but I only just started hearing about it this patch
so I assume so
hybrid plover
I dunno if its new but I only just started hearing about it this patch
it's new
shy parcel
It’s a scriers gaze + empowered psi build
hybrid plover
scrier's cooldown was changed
shy parcel
To 25 seconds
hybrid plover
where now after the cast, the timer will still go down
gilded wraith
Special
Block cancel
Light atk 3 times
Does the single target utilize block cancel also?
meager echo
and its cringe
It's legit man. Just hard for your eyes with all the flashing
especially in the hallway
hybrid plover
combine that with psy aura and with warp unbound, it is quite literally impossible to actually blow up from critical peril now
dusty lava
how’s that power falchion is it good or not good
tall torrent
Does the single target utilize block cancel also?
Well u already do push atk so the input timing for when to press m2 is the same
hybrid plover
how’s that power falchion is it good or not good
mid middington
it's usable
that is all i can really say about it
austere mica
Its fun
tall torrent
and its cringe
There’s no non-cringe psyker unfortunately
Just choice of flavor
shy parcel
tall torrent
how’s that power falchion is it good or not good
Playable, not great
dusty lava
Playable, not great
so on a fun level out of 10 where would you rank it
midnight wyvern
There’s no non-cringe psyker unfortunately
Just choice of flavor
infinite smite is top of the list of cringe
meager echo
I notice that I'm really bad at sniping special and gunners. I get tunnel vision into meleeing a lot... It's not a problem when i'm using plasma gun, but it's really bad when i'm using something else 
midnight wyvern
closely followed by non infinite but more damaging shriek smite
and then probably anything related to inferno staff
midnight wyvern
austere mica
Kill all smite psykers
tall torrent
so on a fun level out of 10 where would you rank it
4~5 prob
It’s not performing up to my expectations of a good melee weapon
frank basin
kill all smykers you said?
midnight wyvern
yes
tall torrent
Even tho all the new weapons released this patch are mid at best
The actual weapon buffs are decent
Vig auto actually top tier
dusty lava
Yea it is what it is
can’t have shit in tertium
is the plasma gun still good at least
tall torrent
Yea top tier lol
midnight wyvern
didn't even change
tall torrent
Vet has a lot of top tier ranged choices rn
dusty lava
didn't even change
🥹
midnight wyvern
I guess enemies did so technically it did
but 
everything dies
whats the stealth vet voiceline?
"sever the head, the body dies"
Plasma spamming at head height:
tall torrent
That’s exe stance for cutthroat
meager echo
whats the stealth vet voiceline?
Adopting low profile
dusty lava
FOR THE GOLDEN FRAGGING THRONE!
tepid otter
I remember hearing that cadian vet voiceline with a psyker when enemies are nearby
"How'd you know? Don't tell m- gasp youre a filthy psyker too?!"
tepid otter
I wanna hear that one with two vets talking about the lasguns
I cant remember how it went tho
midnight wyvern
I don't remember the full conversation and im pretty sure it was with a bots Vet
tall torrent
Prof & cutthroat talk about lasguns
tepid otter
there was one something about threatening to eat them
i cant remember the whole line
tidal tartan
I've got a sticky surprise for them...
midnight wyvern
the goddamn ogryn half whispering the "sneak a slice" when you kill a dog
gets me every time
I think they say something similar with Burgles
gilded wraith
For the Vigilant, what's the second blessing after Surgical? (Gria if it matters)
hybrid plover
Opening Salvo is a good one
tidal tartan
Surgical/Deadly Accurate is the classic combo of course but I never really use vigilant on vet
tame lodge
whats the stealth vet voiceline?
"Breaking off, redeploying"
"Never forget, never forgive"
"Looking for a juicy throat to cut"
What was the other one
Scare tactics, aye
I don't remember a single Pro one
💀
midnight wyvern
"Looking for a juicy throat to cut"
🫃
tame lodge
It's all about stances
Castigator Stance
Executioner Stance
It's Jojo logic
All about them poses
shy parcel
tame lodge
"Find me now, you Fraggers"
How did I forget that one
😭
I used to main professional
tame lodge
Scare tactics, aye
*terror tactics
I like how vets stealth lines are like all tactical and shit
Then Zealots is just "I'm Batman"
boreal sentinel
HEY MY FELLAS DO WE GOT SOME FUN BUILDS
tame lodge
Then Zealots is just "I'm Batman"
Speaking of
I haven't heard a judge in a while
Time to don the mantle
dusty lava
how do you fully charge the plasma gun
I hold it for like half a second and it fires automatically
slow spade
HEY MY FELLAS DO WE GOT SOME FUN BUILDS
"We have the Rumbler at home" UwU
slow spade
how do you fully charge the plasma gun
hold right click
midnight wyvern
how do you fully charge the plasma gun
you don't
hybrid plover
Yes.
And you should never do it.
Or at least you should never take the shot because maybe you wanna do it just to try and get it stronger with the Gets Hot and Rising Heat combo but even then, you could also just, left click and you'll get there anyway.
tepid otter
at what heat percentage does it eventually deal that much dmg
drowsy goblet
Whats the better version of the 2 boltguns?
the mk3 or mk2b?
cause idk if im tripping but does mk3 have faster reload?
hybrid plover
nah they're both the same
tepid otter
mk3 for the bigger kaboomies
hybrid plover
i guess generally people lile mk2b (boss killer) more
but i dont really compare the two because they functionally feel like completely different weapons
tepid otter
naah, the bigger kaboomy booms
drowsy goblet
i guess generally people lile mk2b (boss killer) more
i like killing bosses with my bolter, but i hate the burst making it wierd for any other enemy in the game
drowsy goblet
naah, the bigger kaboomy booms
wait mk3 has bigger booms?
hybrid plover
i prefer mk3 cuz i like smokes and it's pretty good at cc
tepid otter
Has a bigger explosion radius on hit
Mk2 has better direct dmg, but i like mk3 at the moment
drowsy goblet
i mean
boltgun already has very high direct damage, so ill take a bit less for a bigger explosion
tepid otter
yasss
old cobalt
anyone got reccomendations for starting the road to like improving as a player?
i.e. how to identify what you're doing poorly and how to fix it
When I die I do not 100% all of the time understand what I did wrong to leave me in that kind of position.
tepid otter
I honestly just kept jumping into Aurics and just learned from there
old cobalt
I think my biggest issue right now is positioning?
steel surge
I'm not a good player like most of the people here but I consider myself average. When friends learn the game I tell them to dodge and slide. That seems to raise them to average players. Also audio cues that give away enemies/incoming attacks
old cobalt
yeah im doing auric maelstrom atm and its a reasonable challenge
I cant carry but I can also absolutely hold my own
tepid otter
What I found challenging then was just trying to keep up with my team at first
They would just blast through the map, and I was out here exploring
old cobalt
since im running recon lasgun exe stance ive just dedicated myself to overwatch
my priority list is something like
- Don't die
- Kill specials
- give covering fire
tepid otter
Seems like you got it already tho
old cobalt
yee im like slightly above average atm i think
but there is ABSOLUTELY room to improve
tepid otter
I think my hot takes are generally just providing stability
During monstrosities or bosses, if most of the team are trying to kill it i just focus on rear guard instead of pitching in
Clearing off incoming hordes before trying to help again
old cobalt
yeah thats what I do
tepid otter
giving them breathing room to kill whatever the big monster is
old cobalt
Listen, if i see teammates engaged with something scary? I am NOT helping with that
I am just giving them room to take it down
I will keep the 12 gunners from killing you while you 1v1 a DH
but you gotta take out the dh yaself
steel surge
but there is ABSOLUTELY room to improve
do you use weapon combos? I'm getting into those now.
tepid otter
I think you pretty much got it to a T, honestly, probably just need more experience to determine what needs more priority depending on the circumstances youre team is in
tepid otter
I definitely learned it from Havocs, and oh boy
old cobalt
- Krak the Crushers if multiple
- KILL THE GUNNERS/SNIPERS, do not BREATHE if they are alive
- everything else
tepid otter
Do not breathe got me lmao
old cobalt
ive found priority is also largely dependent on
"What is my team actively not focusing on"
like "wow that tox bomber has thrown SIX FUCKING BOMBS"
"I should kill that"
tepid otter
Yeah, I think most times its pretty situational
Specially on maps that have these modifiers that make your life more difficult
steel surge
One thing I've been strugglign with for months is auric storm survivor.
old cobalt
That's 10 aurics no deaths yeah?
steel surge
I just survived a maelstrom with a nice team, good teamwork, no deaths.
tepid otter
One thing I've been strugglign with for months is auric storm survivor.
I was just 2 matches away from getting it, and then my team just griefed
Dear lawd, i was so upset
tepid otter
I had it just last week too
steel surge
so I join another maelstrom. 1 bot dead, 1 bot downed, 1 arbi fighting, crushers and bulwarks all around, I have 20% HP as a psyker.
old cobalt
Oh god
If I went for auric storm I'd recruit a static from this discord
Because griefers and backfill
Like 10 consecutive SUCCESSFUL missions is hard enough
tepid otter
in my experience most randoms are actually pretty skilled
Like hot damn
I guess theres always that small chance where theres a doodoo brain that gets mixed in
old cobalt
Oh I get fucktards 60% of the time
tepid otter
Unfortunate
old cobalt
This is what I said about a group I got tonight
Lmao
i was soloing an ENTIRE horde on damnation. No exaggeration. ALL OF IT except for 1 crusher and like 5 dregs
my team?
3v1'd the crusher and LOST
old cobalt
i was so fucking mad lmao
tepid otter
I remember most my team leaving on an Auric map after we all got downed by a Plague Ogryn
I continued playing after being rescued by bots
old cobalt
i still remember seeing a plague ogryn spawn mid horde, all 4 vets turned to it and just started throwing kraks
ive never seen a pogryn dissapear that fast
tepid otter
And idk if players have a way of reconnecting when leaving a match, because my team was back after Ive killed the Ogryn
I dont know if theyre the same people tho
old cobalt
And idk if players have a way of reconnecting when leaving a match, because my t...
yeah they do
tepid otter
It was just odd I guess
Oh really? I havent had anything like that show up for me if I leave a game
Is there a trick to forcing a DC for it to show up
tepid otter
Weird, not sure if its some kind of strat but hey, we ended up finishing that map
old cobalt
yeah i like vet but the build i use has like
0 solo potential
its extremely squishy, very poor in melee
so i am very reliant on a competent team
i actually just made a NEW build focused around weapons expert
Power Sword + Plasma Rifle
VoC
tepid otter
I've never been able to solo on my own and end up winning as well, on cases where all your team is dead save you
old cobalt
idk what it is about me having to clutch
tepid otter
Power Sword + Plasma Rifle
Seems like a very popular choice imo
old cobalt
but every time i do ill go
tepid otter
Trying to get into the Plasma gun as well
old cobalt
"I can win this, MAYBE! I just have to lock in."
Plague ogryn cry
"Fuck."
without fail if i clutch a boss spawns
lmao
tepid otter
There's moments where I just don't pay attention as well and end up accidentally aggro'ing a demonhost
or think i can dodge a hound of a trapper in time
old cobalt
im still debating what class i wanna main as a secondary
Zealot/Psyker are fun, im leaning towards ogryn
tepid otter
Was thinking about Ogryn
old cobalt
but i still gotta get Arbite to 30
old cobalt
$12
ive just been focusing on getting vet built and auric ready
so i can farm mats
unfortunately getting auric is 20 Damnation wins per character
so
tepid otter
Most of my mats came from events so I didnt have to worry much about it
I got like 20k diamantine and 64k plasteel
tepid otter
unfortunately getting auric is 20 Damnation wins *per character*
Wait really?
old cobalt
old cobalt
yeah ish
tepid otter
Really? God dayum
tepid otter
Jesus, thats news to me
old cobalt
yeah it fuckin sucks lmao
steel surge
just play, it stacks up. No need to grind mats.
tepid otter
Meanwhile Im over here with my Vet just doing Aurics and Havocs lmao
old cobalt
just play, it stacks up. No need to grind mats.
yeah i just want to be able to have a character that gets me a lot of mats when i play them
time to try PS/Plasma Rifle
wish me luck
tepid otter
Best of luck
old cobalt
i have never used either of these lol
tepid otter
May your team be competent and your matches swift
tepid otter
i have never used either of these lol
Plasma is pretty much just spam on something you want ded imo
mortal aspen
so to get auric on all 5 classes its 100 damnation wins
50
old cobalt
ah okay i
fucking hate this combo
actually
Plasma gun? Good. Power sword? Good. Together? I hate it.
I got way too spoiled by zealot
if im gonna run a build designed to swap weapons and pop specials im running Zarona or Bolt Pistol.
dapper pier
shovel build req?
tepid otter
I got Carapacae and Flak, with Skullcrusher and All or Nothing on it
dapper coyote
Hello c h a t, and fellow Veterans
tepid otter
Hello there
dapper coyote
Idk why but i have more kills with my bayonet from the helbore lasguns than the gun itself
I can consistently lock a door way with spamming bayonet
Killing hounds and lightly armored specialists
tepid otter
I mean its a good weap if you can get your eye in
I struggle with it since I mostly find myself in the thick of hordes
But its really powerful
tepid otter
Imagine if the alt fire is just turning the weapon into an actual melee
dapper coyote
Also im using shock maul for my guardsman.
Because of BZZZZZZZ
Is it good against crowds/chaffs?
tepid otter
I just started using it myself, but i'd say yeah
dapper coyote
Aight nice
lucid herald
Power falchion dumb stat?
midnight wyvern
ive never seen a pogryn dissapear that fast
tepid otter
https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-cat-funny-cat-flashbang-flashbang-gif-84799...
bro just went blind
azure narwhal
Power falchion dumb stat?
Mobility. I suggest cranial and wrath for your blessings
azure narwhal
heat management
why, it already has great mobility, and you can keep it up for longer with hm
sure, longer cooldown iirc, but don't mess up and overheat your weapon, that's a no brainer
unless that's a joke and i'm having an imperial fists moment
ember nest
unfortunately getting auric is 20 Damnation wins *per character*
Its not per though
Once you unlock it you just
Have it unlocked
ember nest
Why
midnight wyvern
havoc is blocked by level 30 not by auric unlock no?
so how is that relevant lol
distant mural
unfortunately getting auric is 20 Damnation wins *per character*
You mean luckily
Should be 20 auric wins
ember nest
havoc is blocked by level 30 not by auric unlock no?
But I'm talking about leveling the character
Unless bro was saying thats the equivalent exp amount
At which point I just shrug and say go get a build
midnight wyvern
yeah def not 20
spark helm
Goddammit three wipes in a row. 😭
red portal
Goddammit three wipes in a row. 😭
You know your squad is full of shitters when you're wiping alot.
Sorry couldn't help myself.
mortal aspen
wiping is good
spark helm
It was the same scenario too. Granted the third one was honestly me getting greedy and losing track of a second bulwark that pushed me into a pouncing hound while someone was cut off by hordes but holy shit dude. ;_;
I can only cover people from specialists and elites for so long before it's like cmon man, yall killing me.
||Why are ogryn the most carried mfkers in the world on average until they exposed in aurics at bare minimum?||
People see focus target and just act like they can't ping. I can't ping a every bloody disabler specialist just for dudes to just stare at it and float towards it like a cartoon pie yo.
stuck rock
It was the same scenario too. Granted the third one was honestly me getting gree...
Its like the entire team suddenly has a "he will handle that specialist" mindset
And it gets annoying
No mf WE are handling it
spark helm
Crazy part is is that for the game before my most recent one where that ogryn had an open trapper, fully pinged and glowing bright as the sun, I got netted because I ran out of dodges while also trying to get someone up after they flubbed themselves into hell (another ogryn) and then the zealot going down for whatever reason idk what that was about.
Last man standing (the other ogryn) to the trapper glowing for the world to see:
My guy just watched the trapper prep the shot, stand there, dodge way too late and then insta-leave. Bah.
red portal
My guy just _watched_ the trapper prep the shot, stand there, dodge way too late...
Just don't expect randos to pull their weight.
spark helm
I honestly just need to slow myself down and actually curb my tempo a bit in those situations like I usually do and should just in case but I'm typically just keyed in to vip threats in a 360. Takes time but when the game's sound isn't getting messed up by something, it's not too hard to at least know where the things are coming from.
icri
stuck rock
Crazy part is is that for the game before my most recent one where that ogryn ha...
Zealot prob got gunned down or sm
But the ogryns
Must be Alpha Legion spies
spark helm
Eh I'm over it. It was a little annoying having the same outcome for three separate runs that just came down to people tripping over their shoelaces, myself jankily included (despite the otherwise solid performance)
tawdry osprey
@honest quiver
sick sluice
make your whole mouth numb
nice
nothing better than the taste of gasoline on migoreng
honest quiver
<@111944938568097792>
waow!!
stable socket
IIRC weapon specialist revolver + combat axe is the cheat code for aurics and below, you never have to reload and having 3+ stacks lets you guarantee a crit on specials which oneshots every single one of them except mutant
red portal
IIRC weapon specialist revolver + combat axe is the cheat code for aurics and be...
You only really need 2 stacks iirc and you have other CRIT bonuses up and running.
stable socket
true
stable socket
i'm not sure gunner 1 shot headshot is easily reachable any more because of the scab health changes but rashad kills 4 trash mobs with every swing so with out for blood that's 40% toughness back every swing. you can just slide towards the gunners while killing small dudes along the way, and beat their ass when you get there
armor is a little trickier but that's what kraks are for
red portal
The real life hack is use powersword and 2 tap crushers
stable socket
it just depends on what you want to have the easiest time handling but yeah, if you're willing to finesse it a little psword also works just fine
rashad is "brain off, spam lights on everything except armor/monstrosities" but it doesn't kill armor as fast
deep bone
Holy shit the Infantry Autogun is amazing
spark helm
Holy shit the Infantry Autogun is amazing
always has been. forgot the mark but the one most people use has been a staple as Good Gun™ for a while now.
honest quiver
i have that downloaded but i still need to watch it
agile mango
which knife mark is best❓
serene bough
Mk6
hollow ibex
Wrong answer 
grand perch
the right answer is, ofc, the one you feel most comfortable with and which gives you the best potential to learn and master to be efficient with
nah kidding its mk6
hearty panther
mk3 or bust
turbid ibex
mk9
void dragon
is it me or the stunstorm grenades feel a little underwhelming? it feels that for the lack of any regeneration they should feel more impactful when used
void dragon
i have used them on Plasteel jerk congas, but maybe im too used to Vet's regeneration to appreciate them
atomic void
Yeah if u want to regen your nades on zealot u go knife
With the other two u need to look for pick-ups
fair shale
I was always under the impression you just picked knife
void dragon
But i want to use other nades, not knife only! 
fair shale
Idk if that changed with trees
fair shale
Nah like stunstorms and fire just weren't
As good
Not even for the fact the knife regens
mortal aspen
with most blitzes being regenerating, it's hard to use grenades that don't
atomic void
Oh u meant pick up in the tree lmao
fair shale
Ye
fair shale
Yeah, and since the new tree has buffs and what not idk if they still knife only game
atomic void
with most blitzes being regenerating, it's hard to use grenades that don't
This but unironically
I still mostly run knives even after blitz options opened up because I can't be bothered fighting ogryns over nades
atomic void
Yeah, and since the new tree has buffs and what not idk if they still knife only...
You can honestly just use whatever blitz u want now
You'll just have to fight for pick-ups
mortal aspen
I miss when grenades were a strategic resource for everyone in vt2
but the name of the game is spam and the answer to spam is even more spam
it's fun on vet at least
turbid ibex
eh i like each class having their own blitzes
mortal aspen
I do too, but most of them being spammable and regenerating - eh
red portal
I just found it hilarious
tawdry osprey
i have that downloaded but i still need to watch it
watch or else
grand perch
or else you get a cool shotgun? hell yeah
could do without those freaky toenails tho
void dragon
You can honestly just use whatever blitz u want now
Feel that for zealot the blitzes should have some miraculous levels of power, maybe their size would be really big so when you use the Storm nades you feel that it has a strong impact on halting a dangerous fight
because it they will not regen they should have big power at least imo
lost frigate
god damn helbore feel so damn good
spark helm
Anyone come up with something for heavy laspistol? Trying to figure something out with a exestance mmf setup.
red portal
Anyone come up with something for heavy laspistol? Trying to figure something ou...
Dum dum infernus with flak unyielding. Or maniac unyielding or flak maniac.
I can show you a set up in like an hour if you want
grand perch
Anyone come up with something for heavy laspistol? Trying to figure something ou...
it just so happens
red portal
Nice
agile mango
am I dumb or is the vet the strongest class now in havoc 40 after psyker?
red portal
am I dumb or is the vet the strongest class now in havoc 40 after psyker?
I wouldn't go that far but he is very strong ATM yes.
hollow ibex
am I dumb or is the vet the strongest class now in havoc 40 after psyker?
@tall torrent
faint beacon
it *just so happens*
I should bully you into doing a video on either the Agri IX skirmisher build I use or the CS I sent you previously
tall torrent
am I dumb or is the vet the strongest class now in havoc 40 after psyker?
yea vet is top 2 rn imo rn cuz he can do everything a team wants
Ammo save (survivalist)
Boss dps (power sword)
Anti-carapace (krak + power sword)
Specialist sniping (good ranged dmg)
Mixed horde clear (power sword)
AoE stagger (VoC)
and vet is very good if not the best in every metric above
tall torrent
u just have to accept that ur doing power sword 24/7
agile mango
u just have to accept that ur doing power sword 24/7
I use mk 6 knife and I think it's a bit better since it feels easier to clutch
pseudo fiber
yea vet is top 2 rn imo rn cuz he can do everything a team wants
Ammo save (sur...
top 5 class to top 2 what a beautiful world
fair shale
yea vet is top 2 rn imo rn cuz he can do everything a team wants
Ammo save (sur...
The vet in your lobby with DS+Recon
agile mango
I use mk 6 knife and I think it's a bit better since it feels easier to clutch
mercy killer plus the new bleed talent makes it really good
tall torrent
PS6 genuinely best melee in the game rn
brave acorn
vet enjoyers eating good (though power falch still sucks)
What’s wrong with it
faint beacon
It has a lot of breaks for veteran
agile mango
PS6 genuinely best melee in the game rn
you think its easier to clutch with PS6 than the knife?
grand perch
I should bully you into doing a video on either the Agri IX skirmisher build I u...
we have plenty of time till next major patch
faint beacon
It can’t stagger ragers unless it’s on
grand perch
when vigis get nerfed again for being oppressively good
faint beacon
Huge break if it’s conditional stagger
faint beacon
when vigis get nerfed again for being oppressively good <:chadgryn:1161142998214...
You’re gonna see me tweak the fuck out cause this is the best spot they’ve been in, in ages
They feel just right to me
agile mango
you think its easier to clutch with PS6 than the knife?
I also think knife is crazy b/c with uncanny you can get 100% rending on your bleed stacks from nades and just obliterate 30 crushers/30 rager blobs
tall torrent
you think its easier to clutch with PS6 than the knife?
tbh vet can do so much to prevent bad situations rn that clutching is like low priority atm
every class has high impact tools to reset fights
agile mango
tbh vet can do so much to prevent bad situations rn that clutching is like low p...
fair enough; I normally PUB havoc so I feel like I'm stuck in the jungle all the time.
tall torrent
vet is like #1 class vs armor tho
u have 3 kraks + power sword + endless nade regen
faint beacon
Generally insane damage uptime also
grand perch
and whaddya know, theres one modifier that spawns massive armor waves
tall torrent
none of the other 3 melee classes kill armor as good as vet
and vet individually brings more to a team than they individually do
hollow ibex
What’s wrong with it
bad stagger, bad horde clear, tragically terrible damage while unpowered (how has FS NOT learned their lesson from the power sword FFS)
the only thing i can say is good is the single target damage
and even then, it's just good, not incredible or anything
oh and that's when powered on obviously
void dragon
i feel its damage is quite low in general, specially activated
Rashad should have less damage than it becuse of that overheat mechanic
imo its missing a lot of damage
loud relic
Yo I need help doing the On overwatch penance does anyone have any tips on how to do it?
tame lodge
none of the other 3 melee classes kill armor as good as vet
Heh
Arby's not beating the........
sharp epoch
none of the other 3 melee classes kill armor as good as vet
only thing is vet doesnt have stagger on the melee
arby and ogryn can kill crushers infinitely safer than vet with the stagger they get
spark helm
Are people still fucking with the same bis stat spread for plasma gun? Potentially spinning the slot machine at brunt's.
tame lodge
Yeah
sharp epoch
its only like 1 mil dockets 😎
tall torrent
arby and ogryn can kill crushers infinitely safer than vet with the stagger they...
ya but vet has krak + VoC so u don't lose out that much in safety
tame lodge
@tired egret
sharp epoch
ya but vet has krak + VoC so u don't lose out that much in safety
I've been running exe stance frags, krak I'd probably take on rotten armor pink modifier only
tame lodge
arby and ogryn can kill crushers infinitely safer than vet with the stagger they...
Arby's can't even 1-2 shot crushers
Dead crushers can't hurt you
sharp epoch
Arby's can't even 1-2 shot crushers
I think arby can deal with a pack of crushers better than vet atleast without blitz
sharp epoch
eh on havoc your not getting those breakpoints its just spam until they die
tame lodge
Just 2 shot it
sharp epoch
its around two pa combos idk the exact
grand perch
@faint beacon agrip vigi autogun gives me warm fuzzy AN-94 feelings from BF4 feelings now 
so good
grand perch
path: CANCELLED
sharp epoch
I think arby has decent ttk against crushers
toxic leaf
late here but did the patch shake up ds4/ps6/knife meta?
narrow widget
you think its easier to clutch with PS6 than the knife?
yea
tame lodge
late here but did the patch shake up ds4/ps6/knife meta?
No didn't shake the Psword 6 24/7/365 meta
toxic leaf
ABPS
tame lodge
I can't test atm but probably 5 now
toxic leaf
always be power swording
toxic leaf
is the splodey bolter good?
toxic leaf
instead of every kill praying for the dead, im gonna hvae to start praying for better weapons it seems
hollow ibex
https://tenor.com/view/crying-funny-black-man-gif-3708949419905965398
It’s over for arbi 😭
Nerf vet
Buff arbi
sterile garnet
where were u when arbites was kil
sharp epoch
arbis still busted tbh they barely got touched
sharp epoch
psykers very busted now though
faint beacon
Psyker is ludicrously busted
sharp epoch
smite psyker is also back in the meta
tame lodge
sharp epoch
and outdamages everyone at the same time not the tickler it used to be
hollow ibex
Ah yes
The glass cannon
That isn’t even glass
Peak fatshart balancing
Every patch psyker just gets stronger
sharp epoch
im pretty sure they just balance by number of players or something
sharp epoch
no one plays ogryn buff ogryn to be op
toxic leaf
the emperor demands it
sharp epoch
everyone plays vet because its starter class nerf vet
fair shale
I genuinely think psyker is allowed to be like that cause they're so rare
People bitch about a lot of things in DT but rarely is it Bubble Inferno psyker which might be the single craziest thing
ancient path
chat what would be the best ranged weapon for support vet? recon las?
hollow ibex
I genuinely think psyker is allowed to be like that cause they're so rare
i see them all the time tho
fair shale
I only see them all the time within the last week or so tbh
The whole
SB Smyker Havoc stuff
tall torrent
I only see them all the time within the last week or so tbh
psyker is so op that even if u allowed power sword to run cycler + BM + sunder + slaughterer + rampage all at the same time, vet still is not as good as psyker
fair shale
I believe you have made that expect same statement to me within the last 3 days
fair shale
I do think it's in part saturation
And in part like
Like you either Know How to Play Psyker or you Blow Yourself Up Repeatedly
The average player doesn't think psykers are good
From what i can tell anyway
So there isnt a massive outcry over "wtf is this"
sharp epoch
i played psyker and only blew up 4 times one run
faint beacon
I played psyker once and died so clearly it needs more buffs
faint beacon
I think we should hit them with hammers cause theres also a very delicate balance of making sure it’s not too ludicrously strong
sharp epoch
The average player doesn't think psykers are good
I think anyone with scoreboard is probably thinking wtf psyker is op though
tall torrent
Thats how the average co op gamer things rn
balancing entirely for the avg player is not the way when the avg player barely plays more than 1 class
sharp epoch
maybe it was better not knowing
meager echo
I have no problem with psykers, It's the class that either you do top dmg or perma down, no in between
fair shale
I think anyone with scoreboard is probably thinking wtf psyker is op though
Yeah but how much of the playerbase actually is that
midnight wyvern
I think anyone with scoreboard is probably thinking wtf psyker is op though
are they wrong?
fair shale
Id unironically assume it's less than 10, possibly 5 percent.
midnight wyvern
fair shale
buttt more than 50% by havoc
8 of the 13 havoc players in party finder lol
sharp epoch
are they wrong?
I think in games some classes can be the dps class or carry while others are more supportive or tankier
meager echo
Psyker is op as a dmg dealer but it's not annoying to play with, soul blaze ramp up still need your teams to front line or holding position. It's not out right deleting stuff.
fair shale
Inferno psyker will melt anything that's not a crusher
sharp epoch
Like I don't want ogryn or arb to be the tankiest class AND do the most damage
hollow ibex
Psyker is op as a dmg dealer but it's not annoying to play with, soul blaze ramp...
you forget gunker also exists, and is also insanely powerful
meager echo
you forget gunker also exists, and is also insanely powerful
that's shit is annoying af in auric along with shotgun 3 arbies.
sharp epoch
But like the dps classes should be on par with other dps classes like veteran is the gun version of psykers staff
fair shale
you forget gunker also exists, and is also insanely powerful
The "weakest" psyker is meleeker and its still wildly powerful imo
hollow ibex
idk if gunker's actually weaker than staffker tbh
fair shale
Good at different things?
hollow ibex
can't speak to havoc tho
sharp epoch
tbh I don't see gunkers in havoc, probably because of ammo constraints
tall torrent
Psyker is op as a dmg dealer but it's not annoying to play with, soul blaze ramp...
it is outright deleting stuff tho
faint beacon
Ammo + SG reliance
midnight wyvern
tbh I don't see gunkers in havoc, probably because of ammo constraints
ive seen a few and its not good lol
faint beacon
People would rather vent or bubble in Havoc
meager echo
idk if gunker's actually weaker than staffker tbh
It's weaker due to many classes can bring more than reasonable single target dps, the aoe dps purg bring is not replacable.
faint beacon
Unless you’re Ainz when heinous rituals was in rotation
Assail SG instantly deleting cultists
Funniest shit ever
tall torrent
idk if gunker's actually weaker than staffker tbh
for havoc yes but that's just cuz staff are ludicrously op and melee psyker doesn't have as much util as the rest
melee psyker can do more dmg than vet but vet brings 10x the util for team
and havoc is more team than individual
faint beacon
Vet being lifted up by the sheer fact he’s more flexible
hollow ibex
It's weaker due to many classes can bring more than reasonable single target dps...
makes sense
faint beacon
Every ability and blitz vet offers usually allows a crucial role in Havoc to go pretty well
Infiltrate literally exists for Obj
faint beacon
It’s ass but if you need Obj done you run it
faint beacon
Exe and VOC are better
hollow ibex
tall torrent
It’s ass but if you need Obj done you run it
nah push as team or have zealot run stealth
zealot stealth is legit 1/4 the cooldown
meager echo
The purg staff is strongest weapon in the game, infinite scaling aoe, supression and stagger most target. But if fatshark remove it from psyker, i think the class is kinda doom .
meager echo
But at this point that weapon is undoubtedly the fan favorite, any balancing including it might cause outrage...
tall torrent
reduce its attack speed and make blaze away in general only scale ranged str (does not apply to DOT)
meager echo
Blaze trauma does the same thing lmao
it's require more skills and no suppression.
faint beacon
Bubble + M2
I
Really don’t know what to say man
I kinda fall asleep at the wheel doing it as a last resort to prevent a team demote
tall torrent
it's require more skills and no suppression.
VB does suppression
and it's not that much more skill
meager echo
I think blaze trauma is stronger than purgatus into purple + rotten armour.
What you do guys think about current patch. Are players too strong now? I have no idea what could be done to make the game better.
faint beacon
Vet and Zealot needed the tree changes cause of their extremely outdated trees but the playerbase being crept damage wise is an issue
I’m shocked psyker even got a tree rework + buff cause they’ve been a meta pick for ages
Fym no
tall torrent
psyker tree change good
but psyker kit needs to be tuned down
sterile garnet
I’m shocked psyker even got a tree rework + buff cause they’ve been a meta pick ...
im not shocked they got a rework
meager echo
I think tree rework is always welcome, the numbers can be adjusted later.
tall torrent
psyker just needs ~90 nerfs now to be balanced
sterile garnet
to be more inline with ogryn and arbites trees
hollow ibex
I’m shocked psyker even got a tree rework + buff cause they’ve been a meta pick ...
they shoul've been last in fucking line
but of course fatshart squeezes them in
while doing half-assed job for vet
hollow ibex
can't let fatshart's favorite class suffer
faint beacon
while doing half-assed job for vet
It’s really only apparent it was half assed in the middle section
Nothing but dogshit
tall torrent
It’s really only apparent it was half assed in the middle section
and bottom left
abysmal dogshit pro max plus
hollow ibex
and all the talents/skills that need actual reworks
tall torrent
middle at least u have choice between field improv and serrated blade
faint beacon
middle at least u have choice between field improv and serrated blade
Imo they’re bandaid talents cause they really aren’t the absolute best but it’s better than all other choices
Middle is just fucking ass aside from SC, Iron, and TFD
midnight wyvern
sharp epoch
i like how they reworked vets talent tree then nerfed vets best talent idk if it was even a net buff atp
faint beacon
It was technically
But the CDR nerf was needed but hit incredibly hard on the underperformers
narrow widget
i like how they reworked vets talent tree then nerfed vets best talent idk if it...
average vet gaming
faint beacon
Mainly Infil
And the issue is right side is SO stacked
That it makes the lukewarmness of left and middle
Just not worth it
hybrid plover
Honestly it hit Shout as needed and Infiltrator the worst.
Exe stance was virtually untouched if not better just because it sustains itself.
narrow widget
I think infiltrate needs a heavy buff if anyone is gonna take it at all
sharp epoch
But the CDR nerf was needed but hit incredibly hard on the underperformers
one of my problems with it, is it has all the limitations as the old cdr but the same buff as other classes cdr without the ease of it being elite and special or teammates also trigger it
faint beacon
CDR on specials and elites
It’s only special
That’s it
So it’s literally the worse CDR In the game
hybrid plover
I honestly don't mind it being only specials.
I mind that every other class functions in a much more forgiving way.
faint beacon
If it’s only specials then they should buff the uptime on it
Aka make it last longer
narrow widget
can we just get zealots cdr on crit
hybrid plover
Most likely because they wanted to keep shout specifically in check
That's not even zealots best cdr lol
faint beacon
Martyr book
Uptime is fucking insane
That and the supposed nerf to Psykers CDR still lets them pop multiple abilities in a row
Lmao
sharp epoch
oh it just goes by missing health now interesting
hybrid plover
Scriers with warp unbound making it actually impossible to blow up now
sharp epoch
That and the supposed nerf to Psykers CDR still lets them pop multiple abilities...
I think ot was 4% per elite/special now its 100% over 3 seconds
which is better it feels like
shouts uptime compared to the other classes defensive options is really bad though
faint beacon
Scriers with warp unbound making it actually impossible to blow up now
Perils of the warp?
What’s that
Never heard of it
sharp epoch
bubble you can get another before it pops, and taunt comes back as soon as it ends
faint beacon
shouts uptime compared to the other classes defensive options is really bad thou...
Again shout nerf needed
But they hit in a way that effected everything else
Basically scorched earth
hybrid plover
Honestly it's only infiltrate it really hurt
But it hurt it bad enough that it needs to be adjusted for that ability to have any use at all.
tall torrent
That it makes the lukewarmness of left and middle
middle is good
sharp epoch
Honestly it's only infiltrate it really hurt
it hurt shout a lot from like 5-15 second average to 20-25 but
but shout needed to be nerfed I guess
tall torrent
shouts uptime compared to the other classes defensive options is really bad thou...
yea but for how strong the ability is, it's ok
would be better if tac awareness proc'd off teammates' specialist kills
hybrid plover
it hurt shout a lot from like 5-15 second average to 20-25 but
Yeah but that's the ability that it kinda needed to hurt.
fading grove
I think gold toughness is silly and kinda bad for the game but that’s just me
hybrid plover
Infiltrate was just an unfortunate victim of a scorched earth nerf.
sharp epoch
for me it was just the full toughness gain that mattered
I just run exe stance melee vet now which does the job
fading grove
Based based
narrow widget
it hurt shout a lot from like 5-15 second average to 20-25 but
good
now nerf book
fading grove
Exe stance with lasgun and weap specialist with shovel is peak
sharp epoch
good
now nerf book
they got nerfed too a lot of zealots complained
crit book zealot was ifk about this new martyrdom one
tall torrent
chorus CD worse than before
umbral harness
How do i squeeze out the most crit for recon lasgun
tall torrent
zealot's CDR got worse than before but comparatively, they have the best CDR of all classes atm
umbral harness
I just realized its basically the hotshot with enought crit
Bc of the no ammo used on crit
sharp epoch
How do i squeeze out the most crit for recon lasgun
I've ran 3 stamina curios and deadshot which is fun
umbral harness
What does the stamina do
sharp epoch
deadshot consumes stamina to give like 25% crit chance(?)
fading grove
+3 3 stamina curios is peak
hollow ibex
lol it's a meme build
sharp epoch
yes its less memey if you use like the slower firing one
hollow ibex
and shooting all game 🥱
sharp epoch
phosher no phoshing
hollow ibex
boringest shit ever
fading grove
I just want hot shot lasgun vet 
sharp epoch
boringest shit ever
im still on the hill that vet needs an actual all shooty build like psyker has all staffey build
faint beacon
It probably won’t happen
Unless by some fucking miracle we get a Helgun with a blessing like calvacade
Besides I’d be trying to make that thing work aggressively
hollow ibex
im still on the hill that vet needs an actual all shooty build like psyker has a...
stuff like hlebore doesn't count?
you can shoot all game if you want
faint beacon
I think they more so mean Recon spam without the bad habit
faint beacon
Basically what I described
hollow ibex
Oh yeah idk
faint beacon
Unless by some fucking miracle we get a Helgun with a blessing like calvacade
^ I’m just saying Fatshark
It should be heavy though
hollow ibex
Is helgun like what the scab gunners use?
faint beacon
Bad dodge profile low mobility
faint beacon
Is helgun like what the scab gunners use?
Yesn’t
But that’s the idea
Las MG basically
sharp epoch
I thought they use hotshot las
faint beacon
They do use the Hotshot las
hollow ibex
Las MG basically
That would be sick
faint beacon
Just in general that idea
hollow ibex
I just wished there were MGs that allowed ADS in the game lol
It’s like everyone in the DT universe forgot how to ADS with MGs
pseudo fiber
Calvacade? Nono fool
Gets hot!
faint beacon
It’s either they get that at a nerfed %
Or
Blaze away
Your choice vet chat
Either it shreds in general or rarely runs out of ammo
Cause I am strongly against the two being paired on a weapon like that
steel veldt
Is infantry lasgun viable when recon exists?
Like half the damage of lasgun but it fires like 10x faster
tame lodge
Yeah they are very different
tame lodge
One is marksman the other is just brrrrr
steel veldt
ye
hollow ibex
so what's the point
If you can’t stand the helbore
steel veldt
Helbore is the charge up one right
hollow ibex
Helbore is the charge up one right
Yup
tall torrent
im still on the hill that vet needs an actual all shooty build like psyker has a...
prob not ever gonna be a thing
that "vet = ranged class" mindset is a design of the past
hybrid vet is way more fun and better for the game's health
at best u can have a "ranged specialization" branch in hybrid vet which is what exe & MF currently do
grand perch
prob not ever gonna be a thing
that "vet = ranged class" mindset is a design of ...
"way more fun" is way subjective
tall torrent
"way more fun" is way subjective
it's not my opinion here actually
FS themselves are pushing vet to be more hybrid
grand perch
but thats got nothing to do with whats fun
i enjoyed sniping playstyles the most, consistently, even when it was the worst option available
tall torrent
at best u can have a "ranged specialization" branch in hybrid vet which is what ...
I think the way they're doing this rn is good
besides MF having atrocious pathing
grand perch
honestly every time i make a MMF build for others i kinda feel i need to add a disclaimer *but you get more general damage going WS and using hybrid gameplay more
and that sucks
faint beacon
But then that leads to a “damage maxing” mindset
wind gyro
Am i cracked or does hellbore run better now? might just be the build im running but idk? just wanted to grind mastery lvls for it but damn issa vibe
steel veldt
I can see the argument to wanting Vet to be = ranged class
Since Zealot can play like pure melee
tawdry osprey
fym see the argument this is literally the origin of vet
tawdry osprey
vet will not be fine as long as it isn't the poster boy for shooty shooty
faint beacon
Psyker exists for pure ranged
tall torrent
vet will not be fine as long as it isn't the poster boy for shooty shooty
nah it's fine
psyker is ranged class
tawdry osprey
nah it's fine
no. you displease me. we duel at dawn
tall torrent
Vet's identity is to be a hybrid, no?
since the skill tree expansion almost 2 years ago, yea
steel veldt
Fml I kept selling him as the "ranged class"
To my new friends who didn't buy yet
At least I got the other class I play right by calling Zealot the "melee & mobility specialist"
hollow ibex
Am i cracked or does hellbore run better now? might just be the build im running...
It got buffed significantly, as did vet itself
sharp epoch
prob not ever gonna be a thing
that "vet = ranged class" mindset is a design of ...
I feel like every class is pretty hybridey now the class identity just all blends together except psyker can go full ranged
wind gyro
i mean idk about the higher diff missions but diff 1-2 ive been running almost soley ranged cuz nothing gets close enough to touch me?
wind gyro
It got buffed significantly, as did vet itself
ah with the newest updates? dope
sharp epoch
ogryn weapons used to be like large spread or close range only, now they snipe specials just as well with heavy stubber
tame lodge
make veteran great again
They already did
tawdry osprey
They already did
they took vet from you
tame lodge
Nah
tawdry osprey
tame lodge
tall torrent
I feel like every class is pretty hybridey now the class identity just all blend...
yes but the hybrid percentages are not equal
tame lodge
Is that JD Vance?