veteran-class

[desert valve]

It's nearly identical.

[sullen scarab]

Do you take deadshot with the vigil autoguns?

[grand perch]

yes

well...single shot one, burst sometimes

agrip is bearable, columnus drains stam quite fast

[sullen scarab]

gotcha

[desert valve]

I have Falter & No Respite on mine because the 2-shot makes that setup do some funny shit.

[sullen scarab]

if anyone has a good build with executioner stance made I'd appreciate it lol

ah ok

do you take flak/maniac?

[desert valve]

I take Elite/Weakspot

I do not plan to hit anything other than headshots.

[hollow ibex]

XII: Ultimate noob magnet, brrrrt memes. Excels at being an infernus stick (stack burn, then immediately stop). Slower reload, and nerfs move speed while you're firing.
VIc: Best all-rounder, preferred choice of sweats. Doesn't have the ergonomics debuffs that XII has while still maintaining a good rate of fire.
XIV: Niche, generally used with Deadshot memes, which can be strong, but build-specific.

[desert valve]

And if I miss a headshot, I die.

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkmYM-WjYHM

you could also go for weapons specialist in the bottom right since loads of damage buffs are on the way there

this one specialises in crit headshots

[desert valve]

That's very close to the build I use, it's very good.

[sharp epoch]

omg you put gooner material on there

[desert valve]

Except WS is for plebs that can't hit headshots.

Unless I'm doing Commando Shit.

In which case all bets are off.

[tall torrent]

Mk3
Maniac, flak
Surgical, deadly accurate

[tall torrent]

Not needed

[sullen scarab]

appreciate it

Is this for a marksman's focus build, or nah

[torn root]

is there a way to make this kill crushers fast

or am i to try it

[desert valve]

It's called Marksman's Focus.

And not missing.

[torn root]

not touching that shitty side of the tree

[desert valve]

Because if you miss, you die.

[hollow ibex]

hey MMF is good

[wind gyro]

Appreciate the breakdown. I've been running the VIc with inferus & headhunter and it's been doing alright for the low levels I run on, grinding mastery on it to try and get a higher power oon it

[hollow ibex]

even if parts of the tree kinda suck

[torn root]

the keystone is good

[red portal]

Man this Francis guy has a lot of internalized anger

[torn root]

i dont like what surrounds MMF or some of the stuff that lead to it

[red portal]

Or he's trolling

[desert valve]

Neither.

[hollow ibex]

make sure to run dumdum instead of HH. HH on recon doesn't scale anywhere near as well as dumdum since dumdum gives crazy damage buffs to both your gun AND your burn stacks just for playing the game.

[wind gyro]

Now I just need to figure a decent melee, been using the sapper shovel with uncanny strike but idk if I should change that as well

[desert valve]

I've played an unhealthy amount of Counter Strike & Battlefield and have a very highly-tuned ability to aim.

If Marksman's Focus is bad, you just fucking suck at aiming.
That's it.

That's all there is to it.

[red portal]

Ok point to where i said marksman focus is bad.

[wind gyro]

I switched dumdum for HH not even two runs ago cuz I thought it'd be better 😭

[red portal]

Im just saying the right side of the tree is stronger.

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's ok if you have bottom right talents, though the meta vet melees are psword, rashad caxe, knife, duelling sword

and taxe mkvii

[torn root]

i really dont think anyone said its bad

[hollow ibex]

HH looks good on paper lol yeah

[torn root]

1000% stronger

[torn root]

technically you could do the math to how much stronger the right is to the left

[tall torrent]

It’s just their unfiltered opinion

It’s whatever lol

[red portal]

Man is fighting ghosts.

[torn root]

in all fairness im okay with being called bad, its a video game end of the day lmao

[red portal]

I mean he just says everyone who disagrees has shit aim without any proof.

[desert valve]

I have grown tired of your Intellectual Dishonesty, going forward I will be discarding whatever opinions you have and inserting my own narratives in their place.

[red portal]

I mean it's just fucking annoying as all shit.

[mortal aspen]

you can miss all you want with MMF now

[midnight wyvern]

can even refresh it with melee

[desert valve]

It's still best to not do that.

[tall torrent]

Ya but like who cares lol

[mortal aspen]

that's just general truth

[red portal]

Rich.

[grand perch]

never forget they took shirtless from us

[faint beacon]

Never forget what they took from you

[desert valve]

Only Ogryns are allowed to go Shirtless.

[sullen scarab]

Something like this for Vigil 3?

[tame lodge]

"REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE"

"BOK"

[grand perch]

BOK

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-kek-king-gif-13961892

[faint beacon]

rending strikes is needed, but you can just go Weapon Specialist

cause like all of the buffs from right side give it enough consistency

[gentle lake]

I love that gold toughness doesn't come with base VOC

[sullen scarab]

I did pick up rending strikes on mine

[gentle lake]

Though inevitably I'll need it for havoc.

[sullen scarab]

true lol

[gentle lake]

[desert valve]

Rending is Mandatory for Vigi.

[torn root]

LIZARD MEN!

yall play twwh?!

[mortal aspen]

I played tww2

[sullen scarab]

yeah i figured lol

makes a huge difference

[tall torrent]

I run this

[sullen scarab]

hell yeah, appreciate it

[tall torrent]

Power sword VI

Same as before

[sullen scarab]

i was just about to ask lol

haha

[tall torrent]

Rending helps vig auto a decent bit

[sullen scarab]

yeah I definitely feel it in meat grinder if I don't take it

damn the MKIII slaps

if i aim even remotely near the head area the gunners pop

is it still unyielding/carapace for thep ower sword

i know they changed the weird stagger stuff

[desert valve]

Slap Power Cycler on the fucker.

See how that feels.

[sullen scarab]

I do, don't worry lol

[torn root]

actually Vigilant mk9 kills crushers kinda nice, i can see it

[sullen scarab]

ok with unyielding I can oneshot the reapers and stuff lmao

[torn root]

just gotta max it out

[sullen scarab]

I like how the poke on the MKVI powersword does like ten trillion damage

excellent, thank you sir

[torn root]

best attack and feeling in the game

[sullen scarab]

i know, like wtf

I did JUST the push attack, not even the light combo after

and it did 4000 damage to the reaper

[desert valve]

Why in God's name do you have Mobility on the power sword?

[tall torrent]

also for vig3, use base skin which has the best front sight, if u don't use weapon customization mod

[sullen scarab]

LOL

yes

i noticed that with the skins

I remember its because Cleave Targets does literally nothing on the power swords

[tall torrent]

cleave targets is better dump on this weapon

[desert valve]

It's cleave works now.

[torn root]

best part is that they didn't get rid of the 2 shot in the base game, so you can still get some quick kills with it

[faint beacon]

It one taps bulwarks

[torn root]

cleave targets lose you .4 and 1 cleave respectfully

so its a valid dump stat

[tall torrent]

0.8

[torn root]

not that the cleave targets matter because of the powered state

[tall torrent]

well

it can matter

just not to a relevant degree

10.9 (60%) vs 11.7 (80%)

[sullen scarab]

Plus with Sunder it doesn't really matter at that point right

[tall torrent]

makes no difference on how many important enemies u can cleave through

[tall torrent]

with sunder if u go to like 65% smth cleave targets u can cleave 1 extra dreg rager on top of 11

but like

at that point it's negligible lol

[sullen scarab]

yeah lol

[tall torrent]

ur likelier to hit smth with 10 mass than to hit 12 dreg ragers

[desert valve]

Negligible but Incremental.

[torn root]

talking about the damage distributions

from the stat

[desert valve]

You notice it a lot more when there's 69 of the fucking things.

[torn root]

in havoc i doubt it will ever help you get an extra meaningful kill

[sullen scarab]

How did you get the two shot kill? I still need to do 3 lol

[torn root]

just agile engagemnt and skirmisher

stab cancle into light attack

the roll it was on

[sullen scarab]

ahhh might be the brutal momentum

i have sunder

[torn root]

i uuh, havent really tested if rending strikes is actually affecting me much

BUT i do know you need bring it down as a minimum

[sullen scarab]

i think its cuz you have BM

[torn root]

with sunder you have to 3 shot

sadly

[faint beacon]

Sunder gives more value

[sullen scarab]

yeah i like sunder more, i was just trying to see what I was missing on the two shot lol

[torn root]

sunder gives more value in other places

its subjective

[sullen scarab]

i think the 15% from the headshot was missing

[torn root]

i love sunder more - but i hate crushers enough to need my 2 shots still

[desert valve]

Depends on if you want to be throwing heavies or not.

[sharp epoch]

you could possibly put the 10% elite damage instead of unyielding

to reach a 2 shot

but thats also just for auric not havoc

[torn root]

well i did that without using my focus target

[sullen scarab]

oh true

[faint beacon]

Personally I'd recommend against seeing Cara + Unyield would let you just nuke enemies you usually want to nuke with it

[torn root]

as far as i know as long as i have 2 stacks its a 2 shot on crushers

[faint beacon]

cause with right side buffs you're already killing your average special and elite

[torn root]

havent gotten all the way to 40

[mortal aspen]

Sunder cleave works with all attacks, right?

[sullen scarab]

yeah I slapped on BM and its a two shot with skirmisher and agile

[sharp epoch]

I like unyielding though because yeah you can fight bosses actually with it

[mortal aspen]

only the damage is for heavies

[sullen scarab]

yes

[torn root]

but i have the damage to kill in 3 shots for h40 since they have less hp than i thought

[sullen scarab]

sunder applies to everything for the lights except hte damage

[torn root]

correct

[sullen scarab]

its nice and comfy for me personally since I can panic swipe while giving myself carpel tunnel

[torn root]

i still use one with sunder, because i like heavies during boss fights

[sullen scarab]

Oh yeah, is the power falchion bad now becuase it can't stagger ragers or something?

[sharp epoch]

PF has always been bad, but its worse now yes

[desert valve]

It can still hack them apart pretty handily.

Just don't wiff the weakpoint strike.

[sullen scarab]

yeah lol

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/KXTEpmY double barrel with buffs active vs improbably dense corridor of maulers

[sullen scarab]

the PF IIB makes me weep with its followup heavy attack that swipes up, the animation feels so weird to use lmao

[torn root]

someone had a video where they deleted a crusher in 2 shove attacks

the PF just has no cc, which it kinda needs imo

[tall torrent]

mid at best now
just bring rashad if u want to use falchion tbh

[sullen scarab]

yeah that's what it feels like

[tall torrent]

falchion turned on is ~60% of rashad anyway

[sullen scarab]

rashad so comfy to use

rip

[umbral harness]

Holy crap the recon lasgun is so goated

Over 1k ammo

[sullen scarab]

oh yeah, I saw people talking earlier, is the best recon right now the VIc?

[little fox]

Is infiltrate even good? I get the idea is to be a specialist killer/rez & clutch build. But it kinda feels weak compared to a zealous shroud field build

[torn root]

sirosky like that one

as far as i know

[sharp epoch]

I think its a little inflated cause shots use more than 1 ammo

[sullen scarab]

i'll try it out

[torn root]

most ppl ive seen use the 12

[sullen scarab]

the Torrent one is really funny but I hate how slow it makes you walk lmao

[torn root]

i like the 12 more too

[umbral harness]

Xiv for me

[sullen scarab]

yeah I was playing am atch last night with friends and they were laughing so hard with how fast I was melting things wit hthe 12

[torn root]

main reason i might like the 12 is because i can max my brittle stacks really fast on bosses and start swinging on them

[calm shard]

no not really

[little fox]

Sadge

[sullen scarab]

power sword?

[calm shard]

Only for the Mk XIV

[torn root]

i think we havent found a viable way to use it yet

[calm shard]

The other two both use 1 ammo per shot

[torn root]

could be any weapon but if you have the mk12 you can shoot a few bullets to fully stack onslaught every 5 seconds

[sullen scarab]

ah ok

[little fox]

The more I play veteran the more I realize the class is really mid rn, I hope the fat shark skill tree rework comes soon

[sullen scarab]

oh yeah one thing about brittleness and rending, does it apply to like everything?

or just flak/carapace/unyielding

i always forget lmao

[calm shard]

everything yes, but with severely reduced effects on everything but carapace

[sullen scarab]

got it

[midnight wyvern]

small damage

[calm shard]

because weapons don't usually have terrible ADMs into them

[torn root]

psyker stoll vets spotlight

zealot too

one shotting the shite out of h40 bosses

[calm shard]

they could already do that

even before this patch

[torn root]

from what i recollect its easier and they have more tools

[calm shard]

It's just the Thunder Hammer is bad so people don't usually run it

[little fox]

Honestly just give veteran an actual lmg or sniper rifle and I'd be happy

[calm shard]

Gimping yourself the whole mission for funny monstrosity one shots is a good time though

[little fox]

You shut your heretical trap

[calm shard]

A sniper rifle like the Helbore? Or like the Vigilants?

[midnight wyvern]

gimp yourself on veteran to 1 clip bosses instead

[torn root]

vigilants are closer to DMRs than a sniper

[tight plover]

is there a real reason to use any other firearm than the boltpistol and boltgun

[little fox]

Neither an actual sniper with massive cleave and penetration

[torn root]

we must try to copy

[midnight wyvern]

wot

[torn root]

viability

[midnight wyvern]

lmao

[tight plover]

elaborate

oh i have color now

[torn root]

other gun that might be more braindead to use because its meta

[midnight wyvern]

was gonna say, I'd argue bolter boss kill vet is more viable than Thammer 1 shot zealot

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/9UXdUQc have done, will continue to do 👍

[tight plover]

how is there something more braindead to use than a boltgun

[wind gyro]

Drip bolt weapons are cool but nothing beats rule of cool

[calm shard]

this clip is pre-rework though

[torn root]

plasma gun exists

[midnight wyvern]

cuz you don't even 1 shot every boss with Thammer

[tight plover]

fair enough, what about las pistol, because i feel like rifles dont fit me, more of a short to medium range kinda guy

[calm shard]

yeah exe vet gets the batshit insane boss damage but is also able to run an actual build alongside it

[midnight wyvern]

or you can just run shout

[calm shard]

shout doesn't give my team infinite toughness regen from born leader?

[red portal]

Try the zarona with surgical hand Cannon with weapon specialist it slaps

[torn root]

which boss does it not 1 shot?

[midnight wyvern]

nothing stopping you running shout with born leader

I'd like to see it 1 hit a chaos spawn lol

[red portal]

Glory kill born leader exe stance vet with exhilarating takedown.

Just shit out a billion toughness.

[torn root]

2nd lowest hp monster, when it already 1 shots Pogryns?

[midnight wyvern]

you can backstab headshot a pogryn

you cannot do that to a Cspawn

[wind gyro]

Imagine if vet could dual wield like salt man in VT2 tho commissar build incoming

[grand perch]

sigmar bless this lavish dual wielding

[red portal]

I want my duelingsword & gun

[wind gyro]

Sigmar Emperor bless my power sword and laspistol, for the enemies of mankind are stinky

Plasma pistol and power fist tho.. o' overlords of darktide, when?

[tall torrent]

less

TH still does it better

[midnight wyvern]

I'd like to see it lol

you don't fuck yourself by running bolter

[torn root]

i mean

there are videos of ppl running thammer on 1hp in h40

[tall torrent]

TH effectively skips every boss besides twins

[grand perch]

if they pull it off yeah

[midnight wyvern]

you really can tell people constantly that they should show you instead of yapping and they will continue to yap

[little fox]

Martyrdom thammer zealot so chad

[midnight wyvern]

unlucky

[tall torrent]

boltgun is ammo slurper pro max plus

[torn root]

this goes for everythingint the game -- yeah

if you pull it off lmao

[grand perch]

well some things are easier to pull off

[tall torrent]

martyr is mogged by IJ unfortunately

[midnight wyvern]

all vet requires is to shout at the large man and shoot a stationary head, only inconsistent one is Burgles because you don't stagger with shout

[torn root]

okay sir

show US

[grand perch]

for example i could stay nice and far away and plink at that boss with my laspistol doing ungodly sustained dps and dont need to get in any danger. not quite as effective as thammer delete, way easier to pull off

[torn root]

dont be a hypocrite

how do you show something is more viable

what are the parameters?

some arbitrary bs or what?

.>

[calm shard]

you can actually

[tall torrent]

I think TH shroudfield has more value in a team context than boltgun most of the time tbh

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[calm shard]

okey

gota fucking

load up zealot

[torn root]

do it for the boys lmao

[calm shard]

haven't touched them since update

[midnight wyvern]

(its just bait to get him off gun psyker)

[calm shard]

I've actually been playing gun vet more

exe stance VALUE

[midnight wyvern]

[calm shard]

because psyker didn't get changed very much, and vet did

[torn root]

im still lacking in wound curios

and melk being stingey AF

[midnight wyvern]

just gamble at melk, its all he gives me 80% of the time

[torn root]

trade accounts?

[midnight wyvern]

[red portal]

Why do you need wound curios

Genuine question

[orchid hemlock]

btw which tac is best on vet atm? 🤔

[torn root]

each missing wound gives zealot a possibe 10% increased damage up to 50% -- provided that you have no hp currently filling the wound and thats just from the keystone -- no upgrade

[midnight wyvern]

you only need 2

[red portal]

I think mk 7 is the one I have had the most success with.

[red portal]

I have played martydom. But yeah just get 2 wounds and you're good to go.

[torn root]

yeah, melk is being a little shite

[red portal]

I'm just hearing no context I need wound curios in vet chat and I think someone is trying to pull the infamous 5 wound vet build.

[torn root]

oh nah i was talking about zealot -- my bad

lmao

i play all the classes extensively

ogryn and arby the least i guess

havent really touched zealot much recently too tbf

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11119915413936812037/9A5CFAF4E9224D344AC1AA9417DF91D5B929D8AA/

[red portal]

I play all 4 base classes

Still pretty shite on psyker though

[tall torrent]

had to turn on hitmarkers smh

[torn root]

h40 varient?

is that able to be put in by mods?

[tall torrent]

don't think 1 tap on h40 monster is possible

[midnight wyvern]

whodathunk

[tall torrent]

or well, any build that would be doing that would be basically meme build

[torn root]

you can 1 tap everything, im assuming they are right about the cspawn in all fairness

[red portal]

You'd atleast need skull crusher stack me thinks, so not a one tap.

[torn root]

but all the other monsters in h40 are in range for 1 shots

[tall torrent]

nah it's >80k hp

not rly worth building for

[torn root]

oyo oy oy -- we just dicussing if its possible atm

these things are important to know and vet

[tall torrent]

idk I don't use h40 mod to check

u can do well over 60k in 1 hit

to go beyond u'd need to run a sorta meme setup for perks

and prob martyr too which is far less util than IJ

[torn root]

was talking of marty my bad

shroudfield marty backstabs

[tall torrent]

yea idc abt that cuz martyr not worth

[torn root]

its why i think they might actually be right about not being able to 1 shot cspawn

[tall torrent]

nah with martyr u 100% can

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14659988714033376349/F0BBF6ACEC1BCD55F104C34DFEDF332F91299F56/

[torn root]

i can find clips of everything but a cspawn

lmao

[sturdy crescent]

This 4 wound and dmg+ per lost wound going well

[tall torrent]

plague ogryn 60k
I don't have unyielding on my TH

with martyr and unyielding perk it's enough to push >80k

[torn root]

i know pogryn is doable

also nice

[midnight wyvern]

highest damage ive seen a Thammer do in 1 hit so far is 120k, which im pretty sure was on a captain, so an easy backshot

[tall torrent]

but it's not specifically worth going for cuz martyr is far less utility than IJ and unyielding doesn't change that much vs most enemies

[midnight wyvern]

🫦

[tall torrent]

captain only 50k hp (post buff)

[torn root]

trying to figure out what to swap around for zealot later

[midnight wyvern]

yeah lol

[torn root]

but i think you'd want the attack speed to not be completely useless

[midnight wyvern]

only 70k overkill

also every time a zealot has their bonk eaten by an enemy walking into you or through the boss and stopping you 1 hitting it, im gonna take a shot

shit is so funny

[calm shard]

as path already showed zealot can most certainly RAVAGE a chaos spawn from behind

[torn root]

i think it was me who started this but i was hoping to see footage of a h40 cspawn

[midnight wyvern]

Cspawn in Psyk only has ~47200 hp

[torn root]

its the only thing i cant find on the internet

[tall torrent]

u just had to post it for the ragdoll

[tall torrent]

47500

[calm shard]

yes

[midnight wyvern]

guessing off of whats left after a knife

[calm shard]

oh I can reinstall solo play and give that a shot

[red portal]

Magic trick

[torn root]

right because its not shit terrible if you have enough wounds you only need 5 to be missing and the rest of the h you mos def can work with

you get so much dr and toughness gen

[calm shard]

I will never in my life ever play thunder hammer without martyrdom

[tall torrent]

chaos spawn 47500 (80750)
beast of nurgle 52500 (89250)
plague ogryn 60000 (102000)
daemonhost 40000 (68000)

scab captain 50000
admonition champion 50000
both twins/LTs 72000

[calm shard]

that attack speed is MANDATORY

[tall torrent]

IJ + punish impiety + faithful frenzy

[calm shard]

Also the "heavy attacks have no movement penalty" thing is right above it so like

might as well

[tall torrent]

sorry martyr gets mogged

[torn root]

i used to play momentum thammer, then i started playing havoc

i think martyrdom is the only way to have fun on thammer

[midnight wyvern]

how do you use solo play to scale psyk into H40?

I had it before the patch and didn't see an obvious way

[torn root]

i havent touched those mods in forever, sorry 🙁

already having issues checking shit because every time i turn on mods the game doesnt want to work

[midnight wyvern]

genuinely curious on the top end damage of my vet build

but so far in actual practice, Ive seen plenty of Thammer players in havoc and its disappointing every time

so I want to be proven wrong

[calm shard]

huh, weird that doesn't display the correct number but he also obviously has the havoc healthpool sooooooo

whack ass mod

[midnight wyvern]

I switch off boss damage and we suddenly gain a boss living for ages problem

[calm shard]

the GIRTH on this lad

I missed the headshot on the first try I am SO good at zealot

[midnight wyvern]

OIC

psyk is a mission location

whack

[torn root]

boy i love the ragdoll

[hybrid plover]

I think the problem with being a thunder hammer boss killer specifically in havoc

[calm shard]

is using the thunder hammer

and what you're doing every other second of the match yes

[hybrid plover]

Is that very often it coincides with using shroudfield too

[torn root]

nah i think its the curio commitment

[hybrid plover]

And shroudfield in havoc is uh

It straight up might as well be griefing at times

[torn root]

dont be a chorus beggar

[sharp epoch]

such a rough game

[hybrid plover]

Who said chorus

[torn root]

was an assumption 🙂

[midnight wyvern]

enemies tagged is a stat lmao, thats great

[torn root]

plenty of ppl begging for bubbles and chorus recently

[sharp epoch]

yes veyr importnat

[hybrid plover]

I'd rather have a fury zealot if they're gonna be a boss killer tbh.

[sharp epoch]

furry zealots smh

[torn root]

idm shroudfield zealots

[hybrid plover]

Might not be able to outright one shot a boss but they're gonna damn well do a ton of damage

[torn root]

been picked up enough by them to know its valuable sometimes

[hybrid plover]

"Picked up enough"

[torn root]

a bad player with shroud field can still clutch by saving mates

[hybrid plover]

Consider the issue with that statement.

[torn root]

cant say too much of the same for the other 2 blitzes

[hybrid plover]

Very often, that player can be the reason you're actually going down to begin with.

[torn root]

there is no issue with the statement

[torn root]

the only reason you go down will always be your own

i would never place onus on a fuck up i made on someone else

[midnight wyvern]

a 4th player running stealth means the rest of the agro is directed at their teammates

[red portal]

I used to mess around with perfectionist zealot in lower havocs, talking like low 30's clutched some nice games with it.

[torn root]

accountability and all

[torn root]

yes but its not like you shouldnt be used to the aggro already given how the ai is formatted

i get that you can WANT to blame someone

but end of the day when you go down it IS ultimately your own fault

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[torn root]

regardless of whatever gripes you might have with another players choice or how they play

[hybrid plover]

Don't get me wrong, a very good shroudfield zealot is valuable but a bad one can unironically be the worst thing for a team because it fucks with the ai in a way that can get their teammates in situations they simply cannot do anything about sometimes.

[sharp epoch]

I think there are certain factors which increase that chance

[torn root]

not arguing against that, but players ive noticed

love to blame others

[sharp epoch]

stealth player on the team being one that increases the chance, bubble psyker decreasing it

[hybrid plover]

A crusher about to overhead someone, if they have shroudfield, they can stealth, and that crusher will redirect their overhead mid animation to the next available target.

How are you actually going to react to that?

[red portal]

Wdym running aggro dump vet can fuck over my team?

[torn root]

when you get used to blaming factors on other players thats how you get the whiny bitchy kind of players that only want chorus zealots and bubble psykers

[hybrid plover]

It's not even necessarily the player more than how stealth functions as a whole.

[torn root]

kill the crusher faster

that is literally how i think

i run into problems nonstop

i start gearing for those problems

conditioning

[hybrid plover]

Doesn't change that it can even happen.

[red portal]

You gotta be good to make stealth zealot work yes but aggro dumping wasn't a big issue with the perfectionist build as the people who were using it pretty much insta left stealth mostly pulling aggro back to themselves.

[hybrid plover]

And it shouldnt.

[red portal]

It was more an issue with MasterCrafted who would just sit in stealth for a full 5 seconds.

[torn root]

i mean a teammmate getting too far can fuck you over with aggro

literally treat it the same way

them being down and out as well

same thing

[red portal]

Though running stealth zealot and having teammates following me causing me to get body blocked certainly happened a few times.

Like please for the love of god don't stand ontop of me when I'm fighting like 6 crushers away from the team.

[torn root]

realistically ppl with stealth can pull packs farther from the team dragging that heat with them too, then mosey on back over to the team --- there are ups and downs to everything

[hybrid plover]

It's a matter of if you actually get a stealth player that will do that.

Not every one is gonna do that.

[torn root]

not everyone is going to just leave you and dump all the aggro either....

2 sides to each coin man

i dont like focusing on negatives

[hybrid plover]

Stealth in general is just a weird case where it's either extremely good for the tea.

Or extremely bad for the team and it just comes down to its very function and how it interacts with the game. No other ability really holds that kinda weight.

[quick phoenix]

Whats the meta build for veteran rn?

trying to get ready to play on havoc

[clever hedge]

Plasma dueling sword VoC

[tight plover]

how the hell do you deal with Daemonhosts, they just keep attacking breaking guard and are tanky as hell

also they apparently continuouly push people away that get on melee range

[quick phoenix]

avoid them?

[torn root]

Pgun Dueling Sword/Plasma Sword, Weapon Specialist

[tight plover]

they spawn meters away from us

i would if i could

[torn root]

you can ddoge their attacks, just dash the second the start attacking

would recommend stamina gen

if you are blocking

or even using stamina, because dodging stops gen for a little bit

on vet your nades stun them too so there is that

[quick phoenix]

Are the meta weapons that good, or can I take most weapons into havoc?

[torn root]

meta would just be the recommended for all based on average skill level, if you are newer just use whats on the list until you get more experience

this is probably best case for any game's meta

[quick phoenix]

What other weapons are a good duo?

[torn root]

use cause its strong/easy to use -- do ther stuff when you graps better hold on things

[torn root]

uuh, for havoc, you might need other ppls opinions

[quick phoenix]

aight

[torn root]

for vet the only one i can personally recommend is Plasma

even if i dont use it much

[red portal]

You can ledge them with shout and kraks

[quick phoenix]

is the helbore good?

[red portal]

I ledged like 2-3 demonhosts in the same havoc game once.

[calm shard]

weapons that I personally would never take into havoc

[torn root]

you offering heretics to the void?

[calm shard]

chainswords, shovels, power falchion, devil claw sword, braced autoguns, and the Kantrael combat shotgun

all the others are good enough for it imo

[red portal]

Yes my ogryn kept being sloppy with his rumbler so I did the cleanup

[quick phoenix]

Okay, thanks

[red portal]

Was a bit awkward when they sometimes tried bringing the demonhost away from the ledges though.

[old cobalt]

do Infantry Lasguns do more base damage than Uncharged Hellbores?

[crimson wyvern]

stealth, imo, is very team based and strong if one has the motive to do so

I choose stealth but only use it to upp allies/do objectives

lots of people will use it only for perhaps its intended purpose to get advantagous positions, kills etc

[void dragon]

Stealth also seems good with frags, since the damage apply while invi underhanded frags and their bleed do increased damage

[sharp epoch]

stealth cooldowns are terrible though

[crimson wyvern]

Its not a million miles away from being where they should be at 30 though

[void dragon]

Kinda why I use the 2 charges one, because while it has more CD you don't need to use it all time, but as a nova attack or to do objectives

[crimson wyvern]

Yeah I'd never take it without the 2 charge

[void dragon]

But yeah, it's kinda long for how effective it is

[sharp epoch]

with tac awareness nerf it's really bad now

stealth should have gotten some compensation like zealot stealth and fotf with the cd nerf

[void dragon]

It has less nodes and build in attack damage, reason why I like it on grenadier builds to make use of that

Really skyrocket it's value of each, better if you are lucky with the 20% double nade

[torn root]

i did not know this ngl

[tame lodge]

this is hilarious

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/monka-steer-pepe-pepe-the-frog-gif-19881925

[void dragon]

The unseen frag is actually the deadliest

[mortal aspen]

I played a few game on vet\arby back to back and the scoreboard is so weird

I feel like I'm doing a lot more on Vet, and kill faster and more

but the scoreboard says I'm performing better on Arby

and I just don't understand how

[torn root]

back when i used it i find the scores are kinda just random

they really are

[mortal aspen]

I mean the damage done

[tame lodge]

Because vet more killy that Arby's

[mortal aspen]

right, but then on the scoreboard I'm reaching way higher numbers on arby

[delicate hearth]

I feel the same tbh. Optimally, Vet stacks higher damage but Arbi is right behind it and it's so much less sweaty

Sliding in 360 degrees around a captain to maintain buff stacks feels so silly

[void dragon]

Vet's damage usually is tied to weakspot damage, killing more efficiently and fast, but since it needs pecision it might fall a little to do as well as the Arby

[mortal aspen]

I'm trying to say that when I'm actually in a mission, I feel like I'm doing more damage, oneshotting a lot more stuff as vet
then I play arby, I struggle to oneshot a bruiser with the shitass shock maul, and have to two-shot almost everything with the mk8 exterminator

and yet the scoreboard says I do more damage on arby

unless it's just small sample size, but as vet, I get maybe 600-700k damage done at the end of the match, and it can be top damage too

but on arby it's 800-900k

[delicate hearth]

Interesting, I feel like I point and delete as Arbi

[mortal aspen]

that's more me doing a quirky build

one this is true however

arby is fucking boring

[torn root]

what what?!

arbites shock maul?

or the basic one that everyone gets?

[wraith locust]

what's the optimal way to use the agrippina

is it the special

[sharp epoch]

arby does swing faster even though he does less damage per hit possibly

[torn root]

ohif its the basic shock maul idk waht to say

use the arby one on arby

XD

[willow prairie]

the basic one is dogshit

[sharp epoch]

also the executioner shotgun is really strong too

[torn root]

personally i enjoy arby maul with the shotpistol, or the maul and shield with shotty

[mortal aspen]

agrippina what

[wraith locust]

combat shotgun sorry

[mortal aspen]

yeah abuse the slug

[hollow ibex]

aim for the head

not even joking

[tepid otter]

wat does the special do on the comb shotgun

[tame lodge]

You aim down sights

[formal ice]

Using it

[tepid otter]

i feel like it just staggers enemies when i used it last

[formal ice]

Like

[tame lodge]

Also I want to apologize for what I said about blue stimmed enemies

[formal ice]

A gun

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/logan-paul-sorry-forgive-lapse-in-judgement-gif-22857221

[tame lodge]

Which one 💀

[hollow ibex]

depends on the mark

[hybrid plover]

A lot of that damage could just be overkill that isn't actually contributing to a faster ttk

While vet is all about being efficient in its damage values

[tepid otter]

Whats the break down on all of the

[mortal aspen]

I'll double check, but I was assuming my scoreboard is set to show only "real" damage

[mortal aspen]

agri - sniper shot slug that does a lot of damage and stagger, enough to open a bulwark
other shotgun 1 - wide shot that does fuckall
other shotgun 2 - fire damage shell (2 stacks)

[hybrid plover]

To put it bluntly, agri's the only one you really want to use the special for consistently

[tepid otter]

huh, alright

thanks for that

[tall torrent]

power sword VI (unyielding, carapace, power cycler, sunder) with cleave targets dump
ranged weapon can vary, veteran has several good options rn

some ranged weapons are better with longshot, some are better with one motion

[mortal aspen]

[torn root]

you havent lived until youve been tossed by a mutie into several pox bursters

[hybrid plover]

IX-Gng Grounds

[hollow ibex]

it's kinda sad what the other combat shotguns have become

[void dragon]

no, no, "you are about to die when you've been..." is the correct sentence

[hybrid plover]

I'll be real. Barring the specials, I still think they have their place

But it would be nice if there was an actual reason to use the specials more

[hollow ibex]

what do zarona and accatran do better than the agri tho

[hybrid plover]

Zarona is not bad at all as an actual shotgun

[hollow ibex]

zarona just feels like a worse agri

accataran is an awkward and significantly worse hybrid between agri and DB

[void dragon]

is there an actual build for the Cshotguns? they so far dont feel great with anything i have tried

[hollow ibex]

standard ES build, or take agri on a melee build

[hybrid plover]

If you want to run the manstopper flechette deal, there's arguable reason to use zarona or accatran over agripinna

Since the spread when not adsed is wider and actually compliments it more.

And the higher base damage.

[tall torrent]

take exe stance

[hollow ibex]

thing is at that point i'd rather just use DB

[void dragon]

for the agri i assume? because Accat with Exe seems odd

DB reload at least fels better on top of being a good weapon

[tall torrent]

all 3

[hybrid plover]

You don't need always prepared with the c shotguns like you do double barrel

So it frees up a node.

Once upon a time, I wouldn't consider it because vet just didn't have the damage to really push that kinda build with the c shotguns

[hollow ibex]

true true

[hybrid plover]

That completely changed with the rework.

A lot of things that weren't really viable now actually are just because vet has so much extra damage potential to work with along with a somewhat more cohesive tree that things that didn't really work before now can.

[meager echo]

I play around with focus target + helbore, I think i like FT more than ws while using helbore. The extra dmg + fast charge of mark V is so nice.

[void dragon]

what about both Vraks inf autogun and any of the Vigilant autoguns? how you are supposed to use those?

[hybrid plover]

You can kinda do anything with vraks

[tall torrent]

Any build

[hybrid plover]

Same with vigs now too actually

[void dragon]

that starts to feel oddly same-ish

[hollow ibex]

Pathing kinda sucks though

Because you really need shock trooper

[tame lodge]

Perfect Strike Hsword

You see

-Mass equals more CS ticks

Perfect Strike is -mass

[tropic notch]

What about tac axe

[meager echo]

I didnt have ammo problem. I think helbore is really strong now that im better with it.

[tame lodge]

No real -mass blessings
But stagger reduces mass a bit

[tropic notch]

What about thammer with shock and awe

[tame lodge]

Soiker doesn't have hammer
But it works

[tacit crag]

How does OFB work? Is it a flat 5%? Is it ranged or only melee?

[crimson wyvern]

its of my theory the dog that knocks enemies down also causes bleed talent heavily boosts your damage numbers as Arby

[tropic notch]

It’s 5% back on every kill

Including ranged and nades

[tacit crag]

Thats actually wild, neat,

[tall torrent]

Meh

[tame lodge]

That's also a 20 mass

Pstrike is -75%

Right?

So it's interpretating it as 5 mass

[hollow ibex]

Yeah doesn’t matter if you’re mostly meleeing but mag goes fast if you shoot a lot

[meager echo]

I mostly use it for gunners, reapers and specialist. I melee everything else.

Everything die in 2 or 3 shots. So good.

[old cobalt]

First Auric Maelstrom completed. Time to shake the rust off.

[honest quiver]

kitty :)

[tame lodge]

Oh btw
That was WITHOUT enfeeble

[tall torrent]

still meh

[tame lodge]

[sharp epoch]

ive checked the bleed damage its like only 200kish out of 2 million that was before the nerf though

@crimson wyvern nevermind it was 100k out of 2 million

[crimson wyvern]

Isn't that really good for one node though?

Still not as much as I thought but it's not anything to turn your nose up at

[tepid otter]

Is heavy sword even worth using

Seems kinda subpar

[narrow frost]

one of the best mixed horde clear weapons

high maniac damage

[sharp epoch]

after the nerf not so much

[crimson wyvern]

If you can learn combos and each ones move sets I find them really rewarding. Something about their specials all being just another swipe gets my brain going to wanna find combos

[crimson wyvern]

Fair

[sharp epoch]

its terrible against armor is why no one runs it

[tropic notch]

I only like it on zealot

Zealot can deal with armor with fury

[zenith carbon]

are lasguns that arent recon decent?

i already got recon and laspistol builds for other classes

[fair shale]

A lot of people like helbore

I never see anyone say they like the Kant tho

[zenith carbon]

is it useful as a main weapon like recon can be

[tepid otter]

Remember playing Hsword for how it looked, but I wasnt doing any good with it

[fair shale]

I think its more useful but I also think most people use the recon so they don't have to engage in melee mechanics

Like, I innately trust a HB vet a little more rn

Does more big damage instead of DoT tho

[sharp epoch]

last time i had a helbore vet he folded in 1/4 of the mission

[gilded wraith]

Do vigilants break into the top 5 post patch?

[tame lodge]

Yes but it also suffers from being a relic

And also used to be zealot exclusive

Which means that it should get a zealot exclusive buff

[fair shale]

I cannot tell you how many recon vets ive seen die trying to backdash while shooting poxxies in the last 2 weeks

[tame lodge]

Like the DS psyker parry

[tame lodge]

Auric wise yes

[zenith carbon]

hows this look?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e08cee7-3443-4279-a634-e3450b786a57/an-actual-good-kriegsman-build

[fair shale]

Bath thinks the Vigilants are real good iirc

[gilded wraith]

Too hungry for havoc?

[zenith carbon]

id prob switch to VoC cuz i just like it, even if it wasnt super strong

[sharp epoch]

havoc I haven't seen any recon vets, well I don't really accept vets when I'm playing vet

[fair shale]

Lmfao

I play a lot of not vet in havoc rn and lemme tell you

[zenith carbon]

they should make auras stack for the players that have them

[fair shale]

I see more recon vets folded then shirts at a dry cleaners

To the point of not accepting them anymore

[tame lodge]

Or missing breakpoints
One or the other

Or both

[noble nexus]

now that the vigilant guns are more powerful, I wish they'd give them a punchier sound design.

[midnight wyvern]

survivalist stacking

[zenith carbon]

only for the ppl that have it

[noble nexus]

back to pre nerf

[zenith carbon]

so you get your own and one other

[midnight wyvern]

and 3 others

[zenith carbon]

no

[midnight wyvern]

oops

all vets now

look what you've done

[noble nexus]

movement speed aura stacking would be so fking funny.

[midnight wyvern]

hunting grounds was just ammo refills

[hollow ibex]

at least huntng ground is still a blitz refill

[hollow ibex]

man they just need to buff that aura

i like it but it really doesn't do enough

for 1 point

[midnight wyvern]

10 movement speed

that'd actually make it so good lol

[sharp epoch]

too weak we need 20%

[midnight wyvern]

the damage one needs help too, just dunno how much you'd increase it by

10% sounds nice and is basically just other talents, but its for everyone

[spare pond]

did they nerf rashad? it feels weaker

[void dragon]

they need another extra effect, even if you can swap it (which should be base game, not a mod) they are indeed kinda lacking

[noble nexus]

not nerfed but fallen behind

[spare pond]

ah true

[sharp epoch]

its more they buffed enemies hp

[tropic notch]

How are you building it?

[spare pond]

i just got back today

tried building a melee vet

[noble nexus]

when was the last time?

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

[spare pond]

when the arbites was released

[tropic notch]

Try this

[hollow ibex]

no, if anything it's even stronger than before

it was untouched

but benefited massively from vet melee being juiced as fuck

[noble nexus]

Suddenly I want a DB variant as a non-sawed-off hunting rifle

[tepid otter]

Thatd be sick

[spare pond]

thanks!

[spare pond]

true true

[noble nexus]

gorgeous

[spare pond]

an over/under would be sick

[noble nexus]

indeed

[tepid otter]

is that 4 bullets im seeing

[noble nexus]

oh there's a little one up there

[tepid otter]

talk about multi purpose lmao

[noble nexus]

the tiny one kinda ruins it ngl

[tepid otter]

I get reminded of this for some reason

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AJEl5aR2fbc

[noble nexus]

huh

The contraption doesn't seem too complicated yet it wasn't implemented before.
Must be impractical in actual long term use.

cool concept tho

[tepid otter]

ikr, i heard it hard more moving parts on this one despite how simple it looked compared to your standard pump action or lever action

[noble nexus]

I knew it.

[tepid otter]

more moving parts = more things that could go wrong

apparently

[noble nexus]

man real life physics suck. why can't we have more cool bullshit.

[tepid otter]

real , i think there was a bunch of other weird weapons throughout history

like that axe gun or the harmonica pistol

[noble nexus]

reality just couldn't catch up to humanity's creativity.

sucks they're the one in charge.

we should be in charge of reality not the other way around.

[void dragon]

this is why Orks have the coolest weapons, just add more dakka because that's the coolest

[noble nexus]

true

[tepid otter]

I guess reliability beats cleverness overall

[void dragon]

you dont want your gun to fail you, even if its the Coolmaster5000

[zenith carbon]

3, one's a shotgun shell

[zenith carbon]

the 2 rifle, 1 shotgun is more common
2 rifle, 2 shotgun also exists apparently

[tepid otter]

wat was that small one at the top of it

[zenith carbon]

.22 probly

[fair shale]

The last resort

[zenith carbon]

id guess for range finding maybe

[tawny timber]

Sigma gun

[tepid otter]

imagine the kickback if you shoot all of it at once

[zenith carbon]

maybe a varmint gun actually

so you got your rabbit gun, deer gun, and bird gun

[noble nexus]

Maybe dreg enemies should be more resilient to fire and energy weapons. and scabs and carapace strong to physical. Honestly, with the scabs buffed health the dreg faction just feels inferior.

[zenith carbon]

theres a fire selector up top, so you cant :(

[tepid otter]

awww

[zenith carbon]

they have 2 triggers for the two barrels that are the same

and then you switch to the other barrel type and one of the triggers is just normal for that

[tepid otter]

giving multi barreled a new meaning

[scarlet crescent]

what blessings do u guys put on falchion?

[noble nexus]

that way we could have more energy weapons and not be absolutely broken.

[tepid otter]

I got Cranial and Energy leakage on it, pretty aight

[noble nexus]

Yes, I'm just talking about the melts.

but fr tho dregs needs some buffs

that differentiates them from the scabs.

there should be a benefit of them having less armor.

[hollow ibex]

funny how one patch we were talking about how scabs were less tanky than dregs despite all the armor

[noble nexus]

yeah only healthpool just ends up them going back and forth

we need an actual difference

[zenith carbon]

im fine with dregs generally being a bit weaker

[hollow ibex]

dreg ragers attack faster ig

[noble nexus]

different resistance to different damage would be a nice start IMO

[zenith carbon]

could make them all faster to match the ragers

[hollow ibex]

but yeah i mean dregs are meant to be more trash

it's literally in the name

[noble nexus]

well they could have more nurgle warp bullshit.

[hollow ibex]

that's basically what the unarmored is in this game

tanking literal swords to the head

because nurgle

[zenith carbon]

infested is the nurgle bullshit

[noble nexus]

do they actually tank those tho?

[hollow ibex]

nah unarmored is too

[tepid otter]

are the shields from the champions of nurgle also just a warp shield

[hollow ibex]

well i mean all of them are infected anyway

[tepid otter]

or is it something else

[hollow ibex]

blessed

not just infested

[noble nexus]

I want the game to feel more like a combat puzzle.

this for that that for this kind of way

[zenith carbon]

so many weapons need nerfs for that

too many king of all trades weapons

[noble nexus]

yeah that would be a lot of work thinking about it.

but still

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-5621418030291735983

honestly think it's intentional

[hollow ibex]

calvin and hobbes my beloved

https://tenor.com/view/max-lord-maxwell-lord-life-is-good-but-it-can-be-better-wonder-woman1984-gif-19839182

[noble nexus]

Man back in V2 this was less of an issue cause there were actually different factions with different races.

[tepid otter]

That on a different game maybe

I havent tried Vermintide 1 or 2 Is it similar to what Darktide is

Just a horde game

[zenith carbon]

even more melee focused

but yes

[noble nexus]

and spacial awareness.

[zenith carbon]

also more tailored story driven maps

[obtuse raft]

At the most base level. But the lack of sprint and slide along with the average lower power of characters makes it feel very different in play

[zenith carbon]

we started with 0 toughness and we had to build it up manually

AND WE LIKED IT

[obtuse raft]

Also the THP system instead of toughness is huge

[tepid otter]

THP?

[narrow frost]

temp hp

[zenith carbon]

temporary hp

you had talents that would restore missing health

as temp health that would decay

[obtuse raft]

Sorry falling back on reflex lol

[hollow ibex]

yah because you didn't have gun spam in VT2

[obtuse raft]

Toughness is a much better system imo. THP was always funky to balance

[noble nexus]

DT: (kills thousands of cultists and literal chaos spawn) Still meatshields.
VT:(kills a rat) LEGIT HEROES

[zenith carbon]

to be fair the rat was REALLY green

[noble nexus]

I know it's an oversimplification

[obtuse raft]

Hey the U5 do kill a grey seer and a full daemon lol

[noble nexus]

just kinda funny the scale difference

[tepid otter]

dat rat lookin funny

[noble nexus]

at least the crew compliments us from time to time.

[fluid shadow]

Any of you know an executioner stance build that can actually hold up

[tepid otter]

le boltgun exec

[zenith carbon]

oh yeah i need to remake that one

[fluid shadow]

Already made boltgunner with shout

[zenith carbon]

bolt pistol

entirely different

[tepid otter]

but have you made one with boltgun with exec

[fluid shadow]

Bolt pistol feels less chonky in terms of damage connection

[zenith carbon]

maybe make one of the builds use the new bolt marks

[fluid shadow]

I have a h40 locke vet

Locke supremacy

Big boom funny

[noble nexus]

funny indeed

[zenith carbon]

they are both locke

[fluid shadow]

The boomy bolter

Bigger boomy

[zenith carbon]

yeah the think the pen one is better for stance

since you dont have to worry about not hitting your target

[fluid shadow]

I use the boom one on my shout as a "oh sugar honey ice tea" gun

I can still snipe but its good at cc

[zenith carbon]

yeah so make the pen one your stance build

then they are entirely different

[fluid shadow]

I know

[zenith carbon]

speaking of ive still literally never used the fan the hammer revolver

[fluid shadow]

I have

[noble nexus]

its fun

[fluid shadow]

Good for dumping quickly on a rogue flamer or trapper

Then back to melee

[zenith carbon]

ive been doing that with a knife WS build

but using the sniper one

[noble nexus]

with the right setup you can one tap every enemy except for crushers.

[fluid shadow]

Me when i lie (i dont fucking know how to build a half decent build)

Im just good at the game not the builds

Gimme the skeleton for the exec vet

[noble nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1423676877985550406/image.png?ex=68e12dea&is=68dfdc6a&hm=645f2ee40dbc7a3d84036f8cb106ca463e73c91edeedf242507db6f5e35bc8f6&

[tepid otter]

This ones mine

[noble nexus]

dump the rending nodes on non bullet weapons

[fluid shadow]

Wuh?

Oh

[zenith carbon]

the editor

[fluid shadow]

Is this the meta ass build or a more rounded build

[noble nexus]

glass cannon

[fluid shadow]

I play psyker so its nothing im not used to

Ive gone boom 10 times trying to get used to trauma staff spam

[zenith carbon]

not using shriek?

[noble nexus]

the headshots on the fanning revolver is quite forgiving.

[fluid shadow]

Shriek is for cowards

[zenith carbon]

training wheels

[fluid shadow]

Bubble time always

[zenith carbon]

or just run some wound curios and crystal will

[fluid shadow]

Eh ill be fine

[noble nexus]

I am the grenade

[obtuse raft]

Revolver bullets are like two feet wide once they leave the barrel it's kinda crazy

[zenith carbon]

you are using empyric resolve, right?

[fluid shadow]

Give psyker a perk that gives him 10 wounds and another perk that allows you to explode at will

[fluid shadow]

Yes

[zenith carbon]

the boomer

[zenith carbon]

reverse shriek

[noble nexus]

A fat bullet worthy of the name Hand Cannon.

[fluid shadow]

They need to give us an actual hand cannon

Im not counting the bolt family and the GG

[fluid shadow]

Would be fire for exec vet

[noble nexus]

goodbye wrist.

[tepid otter]

goodbye whatever youre shooting at

[zenith carbon]

[tepid otter]

plasma pistol when

[noble nexus]

melta when

[fluid shadow]

A worthy sacrifice to make a crusher explode into mist

[zenith carbon]

the video of the guy shooting it is very cringe inducing

[tepid otter]

this too tbh

[meager echo]

poor dood, pretty sure he's not ready for havoc hahaha.

[tepid otter]

or that hot shot weapon somone mentioned, idk what theyre actually called in 40k

the las rifles with the power cables where the mag goes

[fluid shadow]

I would use the plasma rifle if console aiming wasnt so touchy

A plasma pistol with an ads i would use

[obtuse raft]

iirc the type that the enemy gunners use are called hellguns

[fluid shadow]

Give us a triple barrel lasgun called a cerberus

[torn root]

does it shoot?~?~?~?!

[zenith carbon]

yup

[torn root]

your wrist okay?!

is it still attached?!

how many fingers flew off?

[zenith carbon]

https://vxreddit.com/r/GunnitRust/comments/1nm2qar/shooting_the_wristwrecker5000/

[tepid otter]

why dont we get one of those

[obtuse raft]

I've seen people say because of conflicts with the backpack slot but IDK if that is real or cope

[torn root]

bruh, i was like wtf is the helmet for?

[zenith carbon]

bonk

[tepid otter]

i honestly wouldnt say no to more guns in darktide

[obtuse raft]

I'm mostly curious about what MV you get out of a 2" barrel .50

World's first inherently subsonic .50

[zenith carbon]

well its gonna start at the same speed

[pseudo fiber]

They've never mentioned it

Honestly it could just be

How do you put a rapid fire lasgun in the game when recon exists

Surr you could give it infinite ammo and a heat system but is that balanced

Etcetc

Also you're right they're called hellguns but GW more commonly calls them hotshot volleyguns now

Which are different from the hotshot lasguns scions use

[zenith carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/ratling-guns-total-war-warhammer-skaven-warhammer-total-war-gif-15796051

bring them back

[tepid otter]

new class with a heavy weapon archetype maybe and cant use melee's

just a thought

[pseudo fiber]

That'd never exisf

[tall torrent]

Not in this game

[pseudo fiber]

Melee is too important

[zenith carbon]

let gunlugger trade his melee for a full mag every time you barrage

[zenith carbon]

pls fatshark i will pay one million

[tepid otter]

gunlugger?

[zenith carbon]

the shooty ogryn

ogryn has an ability that reloads his gun and buffs it for a while

[thorny egret]

just joined, is this an okay spot to ask about Blessings?

[zenith carbon]

and it literally does nothing if youre out of ammo

[zenith carbon]

ask away

[tepid otter]

look at that tho

they look so clean

i want one

[tall torrent]

Hit things in melee so u can save ammo, ez

[thorny egret]

Thank you. I've finally got a godroll Bolt Pistol and was wondering what blessings are good for general use. I'm planning on taking it for a Stealth Vet alongside the combat knife.

[tall torrent]

Basically everyone wants them but afaik no file’s been created for them

[thorny egret]

Right now I have Puncture and Run n Gun but was wondering if there was a better alternative for the latter

[zenith carbon]

i use execution and puncture

[thorny egret]

Thanks! I'll give that a shot

[tepid otter]

the potential

[tame lodge]

Ogryn doesn't sling gun
They lug it

[azure stream]

does lethal proximity still apply to grenades?

[red portal]

Is BM headtaker the standard on Rashad?

[meager echo]

krak into purple + rotten armour is kinda insane .

[sharp epoch]

randoms

[midnight wyvern]

941k with nades lmao

fuck me dead

[tepid otter]

kinky

[tall torrent]

Krak value is insane

I think vet actually top 2 class rn because u actually cover everything ur team needs

Ammo supply
Boss dps
Anti-carapace
Specialist sniping
Mixed horde clear
AoE stagger

[fast shale]

Hi, where is the ogryn channel? I need some info

[tall torrent]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914161923334214