veteran-class

[frank basin]

the loner

[shell spire]

Yeah gets my blood flowing

[void dragon]

If those are bleed charged so you can engage in fisticuffs melee with a horde with 12 bleed and 6 soulfire I think it matters a little

peril combustion just adds more fire to the pot

[frank basin]

what grenade you like?

[shell spire]

Uhhh

[formal hamlet]

These snipers are getting outta hand.

[shell spire]

What did vet even have

My brains dying

Shredder

Used to crack but shredder more versatile

[void dragon]

Krak nowadays is quite handy specially Vs new crushers

[serene bough]

Mark IX

Now thats a throwback

[shell spire]

I got back to the head punch for them

[tall torrent]

What 12 bleed

Puncture is 4 stacks

And 8 stack isn’t that much damage

[shell spire]

Oh yeah bleed was the maib thang on the old build

Stab ton stacks of bleed

[red portal]

Yo what's good.

[grand perch]

i plan on making a video and harking back to fantasy dwarfs going "THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THE OLD STUFF"

[void dragon]

You can warp slash even at 99 peril

[shell spire]

Trynna get some kinda stealth vet working with the new tree

[grand perch]

but you could slot in any ILAs you like, its just that mk IX has the best cara ADM

[void dragon]

So you can keep swapping to cover the room in warp bleed

[tall torrent]

Idk where that suggests megadumping warp resistance is worth

[frank basin]

try test run this, if is not good, try tweak them what you don't like

[shell spire]

Aight thanks, It'll atleast give me a core to tinker on

[void dragon]

Speed up the build up of peril for max vent fire to spam more of it while fighting on high peril because each warp slash will keep you high

[frank basin]

you could take off the ogryn dmg or the ws sub node portion reload on switch

[void dragon]

And is not mega dumping, it's an specific value to reach 86~ peril (44 I think?)

[red portal]

I can immediately see 2 skill points I would re allocate but other than that it's the exact same I would run

[tall torrent]

I don't believe in it

[formal hamlet]

Power sword.

[tall torrent]

at 60% warp resist, 2 warp slashes shows 79% peril

[red portal]

True.

[void dragon]

Yeah but don't you get max fire at 80 something?

[shell spire]

The what now

[tall torrent]

u have to quite literally be at 0 peril

to make this 1 niche case sound better

on a build that probably uses assail

[void dragon]

Doubt that you need 0, that's a lie mate

[tall torrent]

with warp ghost

[tall torrent]

u need <4 for it to be worse than a WR gigadump

[frank basin]

this or that, if you want tinkerer

[tall torrent]

that is incredibly niche

[serene bough]

Ill use IX

Ty for sharing

[frank basin]

@shell spire otherwise, this can be reallocate to tinkerer

[void dragon]

Less than 4? I don't follow that whatchamean?

[tall torrent]

max burn from vent requires 83+ peril

2 warp slashes from a 60%WR already gets u 79

u need to be at <4 when u started doing those warp slashes for this "downtime" to be relevant

[void dragon]

Yeah, but a little less warp Res hit you around 84 peril on 2 slashes

[shell spire]

Oh yeah gonna keep the reload one cause old one had the kill reload going for it, gonna swap rhe monstrocities for something tho

Good tip

[void dragon]

From 0 peril

[tall torrent]

I really do not think the "assume 0 peril" thing matters that much for FGS

because

1. you're likelier to run SG than vent for FGS in the first place
2. you're prob gonna run assail with warp ghost so finding urself at <4 peril is incredibly unlikely

[void dragon]

Yeah, which doesn't matter since you can touch 100 for those slashes and still be on time for fight, the 0 case is to initiate a fight with a 2 warp slash bleeds and a vento on all the approaching horde

[willow prairie]

lol only bad psyker want 0 peril

or have lower than 50 in first place

[shell spire]

Allrighty doody lets give it a go, went with serrated blade cause me likey extra bleedy

[frank basin]

is not that big

[tall torrent]

idk it's literally less than the difference of 1 assail weave I just don't think this is ever practically relevant

[frank basin]

unless is really giving ogryn bleed reduction or zealot free crit

[shell spire]

Yeah if it suck I'll swap out, but with per melee hit it can stack up fast with combat blade

COMISSAR'S BACK ON THE FIELD BABY

[red portal]

Wait why are you running fire team and not survivalist?

[void dragon]

2 it's more practical, believe mate Path.
You can assail around and it's the point of keeping it at the exact peril needed for max fire, so you can assail if you want and be on high peril while fighting

[red portal]

Is there a very specific 5% breakpoint you're trying to reach?

[tall torrent]

nah the difference is just negligibly small

this not a plasma/ripper scenario

this is like "should I dump burn to 76% on flamer to get 64% dmg"

[shell spire]

@frank basin very nice build thanks, just gotta get the reload stuff to muscle memory and we all set, the bleed is a nice addition for some stuff, you can pop melee weakspots for quick kills but if you interrupted or swarmed it gives you the option to just go moosewood stadium freestyle on it

[void dragon]

It's not a breakpoint case is a practicality case, just reducing the steps needed to reach that max peril for vent uptime

[tall torrent]

I don't think 4% peril that u can easily get is enough justification to be minmax'd like plasma

[void dragon]

Is not even that minmaxed considering that on a dump warp resist FGS you can stop when you reach a point for that interaction to work and still have all else maxed out

[torn root]

just finished but its more for me quelling for toughness and and going straight back up to 100%

quietude abuse healing 80% really fast is nice

[tall torrent]

again I don't think it's really ever relevant

[frank basin]

With active sg

[void dragon]

But it IS

[tall torrent]

nah 4% peril is nothing

[torn root]

not SG, im using it on EK shriek. For SG i could use a 60 warp res no lie

[void dragon]

You don't think of the optimal path to do something in the heat of battle

That small adjustment made it automatic

[tall torrent]

u don't need to because chances are u throw assail into mixed horde first before going into melee

[void dragon]

And it cost NOTHING

[torn root]

its not 4%

[tall torrent]

83% - 79% = 4%

[torn root]

oh i guess you are talking about the build up

my bad

but each active atm gives me 45% peril -- so 2 actives is 30% toughness and another 30% since i quell it so fast. i Just find it useful and it makes keeping damage really easy via unstable power

[void dragon]

In this I assail to stagger the long distance gunners more than to do damage because warp slash hits far more enemies with bleeding

Or Vs bosses to do the same but faster

[tall torrent]

yea ur still throwing assail, and u should have warp ghost anyway so the window for it to drop below that 83% peril is incredibly small if u assail weave like a normal person

and, again, I said in point 1 alrdy, ur likelier to run SG over vent on FGS in the first place

[void dragon]

Wait, you let it drop? I'm constantly warp slashing and weaving to stay at 90 peril mid fight

[void dragon]

And this is specifically FOR this style of vent

Why made vent adjustments for non vent builds?

[tall torrent]

yea so no peril drop therefore the "supposed advantage of having <60% WR to do 2 warp slashes to vent at 6 soulblaze" is mostly irrelevant

[mortal aspen]

gyatt damn

kraks are actually cracked vs bosses

with all the buffs rolling

[old cobalt]

getting two double kraks on pogryn is

so good

[torn root]

they do SO MUCH DAMAGE

[old cobalt]

they REALLY do

[torn root]

you running tinkerer?

[steel veldt]

Boltgun and focus target tho...

[void dragon]

You run the extra damage and the double Kraks? That seems so overkill I live the idea

[old cobalt]

i dont run extra damage just double

[grand perch]

extra damage is better tho

for havoc at least

[old cobalt]

ya but 2 nades

[tall torrent]

u have 3

[void dragon]

But what If 2 nades that do 75% more dmg

[tall torrent]

point cost deficiency

[serene bough]

3 kraks is more than sufficient

[void dragon]

Gosh darnit Path, catch a joke

[tall torrent]

running all 3 grenade talents in that row means ur dropping smth important elsewhere

[mortal aspen]

I ran both grenade talents for memes

[tall torrent]

which is probably a 25% dmg node or 25 TGH

[serene bough]

With both demo team and demo stockpile regen talents you almost never run out of kraks to toss

[mortal aspen]

realistically you probably don't need the left nade talent

[steel veldt]

I do that :)

I love nades

[serene bough]

Id only take for shredders conditionally

[void dragon]

Yeah, one Krak that is juiced up is enough

[serene bough]

Kraks not worth and using with smokes is trolling

[void dragon]

Left is for frags, right for smoke and kraks

[serene bough]

Speaking of smokes, where is the new vape god vet build

[mortal aspen]

smoke the map

[calm shard]

I do because of ROTTEN ARMOR

[void dragon]

Now that you can swap blitz feely, do we have one?

[calm shard]

smokes ironically being completely skill point neutral despite needing tinker to be good

because demo team is a complete waste for them

[void dragon]

Yeah, you want to be surgical with them to get value

[serene bough]

Mmmm dunno

[void dragon]

So no need for spam most times

[serene bough]

This is true rotten armor gobbles up kraks

[calm shard]

Also they last 30 goddamn seconds with tinker

Which is half the time it takes for stockpile to just regenerate one anyways

[tall torrent]

nah just spam

[fair shale]

Throw smoke between you and whats shooting at you

Simplest use case

[void dragon]

The ultimate smoker build then shall be born, double nades and maxed out uptime to blind the enemy AND, most importantly, your team

[calm shard]

I run this unironically in mortis trials sometimes

to gamble for the electric smoke

[tall torrent]

wats electric smoke again

[calm shard]

the smoke electrifies enemies that enter it

[fair shale]

Its what you use on your titan to break LoS

Kills pilots climbing on you too

[tall torrent]

does it do dmg

[calm shard]

not much but yes

and the stun

[void dragon]

So arby nades with vaping function? Neat

[old cobalt]

I JUST GOT THE OVERWATCH ACHIEVE

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO

[torn root]

we in there!

[fair shale]

Hey great job

Proud of you

[torn root]

GOT MINE WHEN IT WAS MUCH EASIER TO ACHIEVE

im surprised you got it on a random run lmao

idk with all the pox gas and shit thats a victory in the books XD

[fair shale]

Tbh you will eventually just skill your way through it

[torn root]

way too easy to mess it up now

[torn root]

mad man

[covert fable]

Does more players mean more enemies

probably not

[fair shale]

Nah

Cause you always have the bots

[sudden cedar]

Bots are a detriment, not a help.

[fair shale]

They're genuinely better than some players I've run into.

Bot Dickot got me

[hidden tree]

best perks for Locke Mk IIb Spearhead Boltgun now?

[hollow ibex]

cara unyielding

[hidden tree]

blessings?

[hollow ibex]

surgical + PF or PF + puncture

[hidden tree]

oh ok so still the same thanks

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[hidden tree]

i gotta remake all my builds

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[hollow ibex]

it's worth

meanwhile arbi barely changed and all the builds got reset anyway

arbi suffers

[hidden tree]

yea i heard vets have supress immunity now heh

[hollow ibex]

buff arbi, nerf vet 🙂‍↕️

[hollow ibex]

yup

[hidden tree]

https://tenor.com/view/hd-smirk-gif-7206957141966421326

be me in hav 40, one of the few vets left

chainsword and bolter

[midnight wyvern]

[red portal]

I ran all 3 nade talents with kraks in havoc and did like 350 k boss damage in a 30

[narrow widget]

idk i never use pinning fire
but i havent played after the update

[red portal]

[hollow ibex]

PF is stupid strong

Try it out

[hidden tree]

ive used pf forever

[narrow widget]

bro my laptop cant handle darktide lmaoo

[hidden tree]

i built my pc for this game lmao

[narrow widget]

oh shit wait i remembered pf wrong

lmao

[midnight wyvern]

if you're bossing just replace PF with Shrimp

[narrow widget]

i used uhhh
cara unyielding pf cavalcade

[midnight wyvern]

and cara is replaceable with flak if you want with rotten armour existing so much, assuming you're doing havoc, if not do some gaming, commit a violence

[narrow widget]

or yea cara unyielding shrimp cavalcade

[midnight wyvern]

I find you still get more value out of Puncture over caval

[narrow widget]

ig

[narrow widget]

im not a big fan of bleed

[midnight wyvern]

in testing even on bosses

[narrow widget]

also i like mag dumping into stuff (it feels good)

[old cobalt]

b o l t g u n

[unborn perch]

Boltgun is like the best solution to a problematic beast of nurgle

[old cobalt]

i raise you

[torn root]

this guy gits it

[old cobalt]

4 veterans with krak grenades

"Woe be upon ye"

[red portal]

You mean monstrosity delete button?

[unborn perch]

If the grenades arnt there, I’m saying

[torn root]

we just got a beast of nurgle in the worst spot

[narrow widget]

if the nades aren't there what are you even doing

[torn root]

then blasted it

[red portal]

Just make sure one of you is running sapper with skull crusher for max destruction.

[unborn perch]

Shit happens

[narrow widget]

yea lemme just chuck all my nades at random poxwalkers

[red portal]

I mean I have chucked 4 kraks into a bulwark crusher wall.

But even in that case none were wasted.

[narrow widget]

it's only a waste if it didn't hit anything

[red portal]

I hate it when I try to throw my kraks on a monstrosity and it locks on to the scab rager 5 feet away

My fault for not underhand throwing it but still.

[steel veldt]

Same bro

I love chainsword and bolter

Bolter makes me not even have to use grenades and I love grenades

and chainsword lets me clear hordes when I run out of ammo

then again I played 4 hours on Heresy for my friend who is new

I prob still need nades on Auric

[narrow widget]

chainsword
clear hordes

[steel veldt]

It does the job

probably worse than uhhh knife or DS

does knfie even clear hordes

I religiously use like 4 weapons

so I don't even know

and fyi it's eviscerator, chainsword, knife, DS

usually the first 2 the most

like I only used evis and chainsword for the past 40 hours

and I have 100 hours

[hidden tree]

brother you will need skill on hav 40 to use that combo. its rough but we endure

chainsword was not made for endgame

[slow spade]

The trick is to fixate on meta weapons like me using Psword since release

[hidden tree]

lmao

[steel veldt]

I don't wanna Havoc

I wanna be a shitter on Auric having fun

[hidden tree]

its rough but rewarding

i just wanted the nameplate

[red portal]

I use what I find fun

[steel veldt]

I don't need such things like yelow titles

[hidden tree]

same

[slow spade]

To be fair just doing 1 Havoc for the weekly chest is pretty good if you're new

[hidden tree]

but the flex

[slow spade]

Idk what Havoc 20 or so gives but it's probably like 3k diamantine

[steel veldt]

I was gonna say "you are using my outfit" but realised you aren't

[hidden tree]

heh

[steel veldt]

this is my Vet

I love my Vet

[hidden tree]

i love my vet

[steel veldt]

This is my Zealot

I love my Zealot

[hidden tree]

cadian????

[narrow widget]

he killed my dog I hate him

[hidden tree]

ae you a cadian?

[steel veldt]

I personally scourged him to Cadian yesterday after hearing the voice lines

[hidden tree]

YEEESSSS

[steel veldt]

and realised how stupid I was picking Pro

[hidden tree]

ONG

hes so aggressive

i love it

[steel veldt]

He fits me perfectly

just by being a manic edgelord

Which you could prob tell by my edgy ass pfp

[hidden tree]

ultramarine raccoon

[steel veldt]

that's adorable

[meager echo]

best mod ever haha

[shell spire]

Dueling sword has a parry??????????

Did they just make it unnecessarily more op?

What

[tame lodge]

Yeah

Since last week

[shell spire]

Holy crap

Like the poke was useless

Ish

[tame lodge]

It killed dclaw btw

https://tenor.com/view/venom-eddie-brock-i-won't-forget-you-buddy-movie-gif-8685490990918676290

[mortal aspen]

which recon is the best and which of them has horde cleave?

[tame lodge]

XIV has 3 cleave
And is the best (definitely not biased)

[old cobalt]

I tried the XIV, used it exclusively

then uhhh

[torn root]

i think it was a trade in power

[old cobalt]

then i swapped

[torn root]

before it could stack rending so damn fast

[old cobalt]

and i realized the XIV is comparatively dogshit

[shell spire]

Still one shots most stuff for me

[torn root]

not powerin damage specifically

[mortal aspen]

because they didn't touch its damage

only ADM

[sharp epoch]

the poke was better

[mortal aspen]

which it has 100% anyway

[shell spire]

Whats adm

[shell spire]

Nah parry train here

[torn root]

just that you basically had no downtime on rending strikes before not that you have mush atm to be fair

[mortal aspen]

armor penetration

[sharp epoch]

you could use poke to stun muties and save teammates

[old cobalt]

Used the XIV, swapped to the Mk VIc

never looking back

[shell spire]

Aint no biggie

[torn root]

the poke was much better, but its not too missed

[old cobalt]

for recon lasgun

[sharp epoch]

also functioned as a second attack

[shell spire]

Dont just say stuff, argue your point of view

Why do you think the poke was better?

[torn root]

i have been arguing it

again

the poke gave you a lot ofup time for rending strikes

A LOT

[sharp epoch]

Also new DS with zero stagger is worse against crushers because you need some stagger you cant dodge every hit

[shell spire]

Rarely used it myself

[shell spire]

You can

[torn root]

thats was you lmao

[shell spire]

I trust in you

[torn root]

the poke also had decent damage

[shell spire]

Well who's laughing now me or the second poke reliers

Hahahahaha

[sharp epoch]

I don't use DS so I don't really have skin in the game

[torn root]

matter of fact if we had the poke now vet would have no downtime for exploitweakness

ngl

[sharp epoch]

I just know that poke > parry

[shell spire]

Emperor didnt have downtime why should we

[torn root]

the poke and all the crit that the classes have made it way more potent

[shell spire]

Really? In your heart of hearts?

Feel the parry

Become the parry

Hesitation is defear

[sharp epoch]

Parry is better against ragers, but poke already was a good counter to ragers

[shell spire]

Oh yeah i forgot it staggered em on weakspot hit

Well yeah I used it for that sometimes

[sharp epoch]

So it is a nerf, but I think DS is in a good spot atm

[torn root]

poke > mini poke, dead -- actually bullied tf out of them

[shell spire]

Dont matter got the short assassin blade and gonna rock it anyway

[sharp epoch]

Also they should remove agile as a blessing on DS

[shell spire]

Emperor wouldnt second poke

[torn root]

another thing ppl dont realize is that old DS actually did take advantage of onslaught

now its harder

for the ppl enjoying it with recon las while they were able to

[shell spire]

Riposte thrust anyway

[sharp epoch]

uncannys always been the top pick

[shell spire]

Well call me a heretic and execute me for heresy

[sharp epoch]

then either thrust or agile, but agile gives you infinite dodges on the most mobile weapon which is a little op

[old cobalt]

i feel like the Devil's Claw needs to be reworked to be brought up to DS

DC/DS should be two sides of the same coin if theyre both gonna have a parry

one for horde clear, one for armor pen

[shell spire]

Kinda agree with this

One for pokies one for swingies

[old cobalt]

the DC should have some of the absolute worst armor pen veteran can wield

and some of the best cleave

not uhhh

not the like 97 base damage its currently sitting at for lights lmao

DC got power crept HARD

[sharp epoch]

I think it's just ds is more suited for higher levels than dclaw, one is single target but high damage one has cleave and decent hordeclear

mostly the armor pen which kills dclaw

[shell spire]

Does vet still have the aim down crit ability and uhhhhhh

Something else was on my mind too

[sharp epoch]

deadshot yes

[old cobalt]

that does seem to be an issue in this game

if its not good for mixed horde clear or armor pen

trash can

0 hesitation

tbh i also feel like if a weapon is gonna have a parry it should be straight up offensively outclassed by another wep but im not exactly super knowledgable

[sharp epoch]

It might become meta if it could deal with armor and mixed hordes cause its super mobile and on every class

[old cobalt]

if you're gonna give something insane defensive capacity it should NOT be best in class for damage

[midnight wyvern]

power sword

[fair shale]

I still want to know which dev thought giving DS a parry was a nerf

[sharp epoch]

power sword is nerfed by its mobillity

[narrow widget]

it lowk is
you can't perma stagger enemies

[fair shale]

I just want to ask what their train of thought was

[midnight wyvern]

DS is not best in class for damage

[old cobalt]

what fucking melee weapon does more against crushers than DS?

[fair shale]

God, when you get good with parrying tho? Like I just can't see it as a nerf.

[old cobalt]

ps?

[narrow widget]

ps6

[fair shale]

Powersword

[old cobalt]

For two shot?

ya i figured

[fair shale]

Oh

[sharp epoch]

ps6 is like a 3 shot now

with the crusher health changes

[narrow widget]

it at the very least gives some interaction to killing shit

[sharp epoch]

maybe 4 if youre not full stacked on skirmisher

[old cobalt]

from what ive heard?

ds didnt need a nerf

[narrow widget]

"hmm yes lemme just heavy special heavy and it is dead with no chance of attacking back"

[old cobalt]

at all

[shell spire]

Is the meta mk still the same on ds

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[narrow widget]

it DID bro 💔 💔 💔 💔

[fair shale]

Its not as braindead as heavy M1 ability but I do think it raised the skill ceiling of the weapon. Like I think id agree at the most baseline level its a nerf but when you can use it?

[sharp epoch]

ds losing poke is a nerf, but thats it

[old cobalt]

then why was basically everyone saying powersword straight outclasses it?

[narrow widget]

on vet

psyker and zealot other melee options might as well not even exist

[old cobalt]

Relic Blade?

[midnight wyvern]

zealot could 1 tap crushers with DS lol

[fair shale]

DS needs a nerf because I need to stop seeing everyone in the lobby run DS and now I'm the only person with a modicum of horde clear

[shell spire]

Bleed, aim down sight buff, invisibility what else was in that one build

[sharp epoch]

DS is also just easier to survive with compared to PS, there's other stats to compare like mobillity

[torn root]

the goat

[old cobalt]

thats why i use it. I honestly rarely even pull the thing out

i basically just have it as an "oh fuck" button\

[sharp epoch]

and DS doesn't require as much talent investment if you want to go a ranged build

[old cobalt]

stab something scary if it gets in my face with a parry and that is

all i use it for

ammo econ on my lasgun build is NUTS and unless i have 3 ammo hungry teammates i just dont really need to swap to ds

[old cobalt]

yeah ive seen this

[shell spire]

Is close damage everything within certain range?

Like not only melee?

[torn root]

it better with WS imo tho

[old cobalt]

but i kinda forgot about it because it immediately started a debate

[torn root]

sadly

[hollow ibex]

yup

[shell spire]

Sweet then i think im set with this build

[sharp epoch]

WS is not getting the 2 shot though right

[midnight wyvern]

iirc its pretty far too lol

[torn root]

its 2 shot if you can keep up weapon exploit and skirmisher and maybe proc agile engagment right before a pack [pretty sure you're locked into weapon weakspot damage as a perk for this tho iirc]

[hollow ibex]

12.5m, and then scales down linearly after that to 30m

so yeah it's pretty damn far

[torn root]

i play too much with power sword

[torn root]

well i was talking more th enodes ont hat side of the tree

Brutal Momentum + weapon weakspot damage and the buffs all running whould let you 2 shot crushers in pack for the 5 seconds

gl on the lucky crit for weakness exploit

[sharp epoch]

Why not just take 25% to carapace instead of weakspot?

[torn root]

both

im talking about having both

just noting that it IS doable

[sharp epoch]

oh I usually run carapace and unyielding

[torn root]

because this is better, im just putting it out there that its a doable thing lmao

not that i advise it

atm if i have weakness exploit with focus target i think i would still struggle to kill a pack with 2 shots each

redirect fire isnt enough 🙁

[sharp epoch]

It's not really that good when the 2 shot becomes like 4-5 on havoc though

[torn root]

3 shots in havoc

[midnight wyvern]

it'd become 3 yeah

they go from 6500 to 9750 on havoc 40

[sharp epoch]

normally I do a l3 after the stab overhead so for me it's more than 3

stab overhead stab just drains stamina a lot faster

[torn root]

all around stab overhead heavy

[midnight wyvern]

3 stam curios

[torn root]

its a bit slow but its what you got

[midnight wyvern]

[torn root]

hmm

maths

i can 2 tap crushers without pinging

never took into acount agile ngl

but idk how weird the math is

for me im pretty sure onslaught is messing with my damage XD

3528 + 3086 for my 2 hits with just agile engagement and skirmisher, so you 100% can 3 tap them with just those 2 [unmodified by onslaught]

no +10 weakspot damage either

[sharp epoch]

10% weakspot is a waste tbh just grab 15% elite

it does more damage

[torn root]

yeah, im not using either, i used to before the hp buff and before havoc

because it worked on more than just crushers for the poke combos

i also use to run sunder

but now i don't 🙁

[sharp epoch]

I'm still on the fence on sunder or brutal momentum

[torn root]

both are good, choose which ever you like

sunder only shines imo when using heavy attacks on bosses

or fighting into mixed hordes maybe?

[sharp epoch]

For me it shines when stunning packs of ragers/maulers

[torn root]

^

[sharp epoch]

but brutal momentum has better single target damage and hordeclear

[torn root]

the stagger is why i also used it or the longest

[torn root]

its also better for bosses if you dont use a lot of heavy attacks

[sharp epoch]

unless stab and overhead are heavy attacks I don't use heavy attack much

[torn root]

poke is very easy to land imo

[torn root]

they are both lights

unfortunately

[sharp epoch]

Yeah then sunder doesn't get that much value there

[torn root]

and the heavy you get out of poke is underhand left to upper right

sucks

you'd have to poke light heavy

[sharp epoch]

Also sunder helps when fighting bulwarks your sword doesnt just bounce off

[torn root]

yes, its really good for mixed hordes

doesnt stop you from killing shit when bulwarks are infront of you

my last grip with heavies is that you cant animation cancel into one as far as i know

at least i cant SEE the frames

[tall torrent]

sunder

sunder doesn't lose on pure horde much vs BM but is significantly better vs mixed horde

u can also cleave through captains' void shield with sunder

[torn root]

the only thing BM loses in hordes is the ability to kill things past bulwarks

[tall torrent]

nah BM is quite a bit worse vs mauler/rager mixed horde

[torn root]

aah fair, but i still kill em lmao

i have always perfered sunder

but for the 1st time ppl can persuade me to use brumentum

[lament gale]

bromentum is mainly for the weakspot on mk3 anyway

[mortal aspen]

Power Sword is OP

[tall torrent]

sunder power sword VI is basically the fastest melee mixed horde clear vs mauler spam

[mortal aspen]

ranged build
all talents ranged
power sword still mulches everything

[sharp epoch]

really I don't think it's that good without trenchfighter and desperado

[torn root]

you know it!

im speced all into my guns

and i get carried by Psword still

[mortal aspen]

well for high havoc yes

but for it to basically oneshot everything and cleave through everything in auric with almost no melee investment

but

unpowered lights can't even kill a poxwalker in 2 hits

[torn root]

in all fairness its only 4 melee nodes you are taking aside from weapon specialist

[mortal aspen]

nah, idk. Power Sword is powerful but the mobility is so dog

equipping Taxe is like lifting the chains slowing you down

[torn root]

not dumping mobility makes it feel nice

[tall torrent]

I run basically every dmg node for power sword

[sharp epoch]

packs of crushers are hard to fight without a little stagger with PS because you only get 3 dodges and you have like no stagger

[torn root]

i swap between the 2

[tall torrent]

4 dodges

and krak value

[mortal aspen]

mobility gives slightly better sprint speed and that's it

[sharp epoch]

I havent tried kraks on havoc yet hmm

[hearty panther]

i fucken love sprinting

[tall torrent]

krak stocks are pretty high rn

[torn root]

dodge distance as well 🙂

[tall torrent]

in 1 krak u can do what 3 TH heavy attacks cannot

[sharp epoch]

I'm suprised you don't take the extra grenade node for krak

[mortal aspen]

yes, a whopping 2% more dodge distance between 60 and 80 mobility

[hearty panther]

*(look cool)

[torn root]

i do be dash dancing

[tall torrent]

tinkerer gives it havoc crusher 1 tap

otherwise 1 krak does like 1/2 of crusher hp and ur left there embarassed

[sharp epoch]

you can drop 25% toughness node it looks like

[torn root]

just losing out on .4 and 1 cleave value

[tall torrent]

I thought about it but decided not to

simply cuz 25 TGH helps more often than grenadier does for krak

[torn root]

^

would only give up the base 25 toughness for the WS node that give 20% each swap

[tall torrent]

and I'm pretty sure u can actually build vet to tank 1 plasma shot and not break toughness

even in havoc

[little fox]

Is one motion worth a darn on weapon specialist veteran? Or is the 50% swap speed kindve a meme?

[sharp epoch]

its very good

[tall torrent]

depends on ur weapons

[torn root]

for plasma it is very worth

[sharp epoch]

It applies to your grenade swap too

[torn root]

gotta not waste agile engagement up time

[tall torrent]

plasma, boltgun, helbore, yes
revolver, shotguns, not really

[little fox]

That's probably it then, I'm playing a caxe/d barrel shotgun build rn so I wouldn't appreciate it rn

Ty gentlemen

[sharp epoch]

dbarrel you would want it too

[tall torrent]

it doesn't make a big diff on DB swap to fire time

I checked

[little fox]

You think so? I feel fast enough swapping to it and deleting specialist

[sharp epoch]

I mean though longshot on db is kinda useless

[tall torrent]

it is 10% more dmg

[sharp epoch]

other than the 10% close damage I guess

[torn root]

wouldnt you perfer the 10% min increased damage?

even if it did affect the swap by much

its not it has a slows ass swap time like other weapons

[sharp epoch]

im thinking of running this build for kraks

[little fox]

Idk how to feel about longshot tbh, I feel as though the stacks from weapon specialist feel like enough damage. I'll run it this next match and see if I feel the difference

[torn root]

the bleed is actually a decent amount of damage

[calm shard]

weapon specialist stacks give you crit chance for the first shot and fire rate not damage

[sharp epoch]

serrated blade?

[torn root]

yes

that and it also enables teammates

ogryn could love you for it

[calm shard]

yeah but fuck them

[sharp epoch]

field improv or serrated blade

[little fox]

Well how are crits calculated on pellets? I'm making the assumption it's 150% damage like most games crits

[sharp epoch]

Do you got a scoreboard that shows bleed? I'd need to test it

[torn root]

serrated, i like field improv ,but i will always vote autonomy 1st

in a situation where im by myself the bleed willdo me more good imo

[torn root]

a few ppl do, im keeping mods off for now

keeps crashing me

[little fox]

Although with longshot I wonder if I can take out snipers from a decent range if I get a lucky pellet on him

[sharp epoch]

probably not the minimum damage on pellets is so bad on db

[mortal aspen]

depends on the weapon

DB can kill snipers very reliably with crit Flechette

[sharp epoch]

I'm gonna test serrated blade vs a field improv build and see if its worth

if its only like 30k damage out of 1 million it's eh

wait then I'd have to drop frags

[torn root]

test it against bosses

you will see the dps increase

[tall torrent]

serrated on sunder power sword actually nice

253k bleed total between me and arb (og didn't have bleed) in stimms modifier

[torn root]

yeah also the bleed stacks up and can actually help you kill shit

[tall torrent]

that's between serrated, frag and dog bleed

[torn root]

ESPECIALLY IN BOO BOO ASS GARDENS

[tall torrent]

serrated helps with cleave distribution

since everything gets the same number of stacks

let's say u light sweep and hit 5 maulers

not uncommon to swing 5 times

that's 10 stacks of bleed on all of them

and it can help teammates (zealot for crit chance, ogryn for DR)

[gentle lake]

this worth using w plas right

[sharp epoch]

and I was trying to finally be a teamplayer and grab field improv for once 😔

[tall torrent]

always

[tall torrent]

I think it depends

[gentle lake]

I wanna be a grenadier vet so I think this is good too, a nade every 20 or so specials is nice

[trim badger]

This is used with everything*

[trim badger]

As well as this too

[tall torrent]

also always take

[torn root]

Best vet aura for havocs imo

[tame lodge]

Oggy without batter?!?!

[torn root]

ammo can be scarceish

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-kendrick-lamar-dj-akademiks-gif-7681118227488403814

[tall torrent]

he had rumbler

[tame lodge]

Oh ok

It was a bumbler

[red portal]

Veteran: unlimited nade works

[desert valve]

1. Obtain Bolt Pistol.

2. Slap Deadly Accurate & Surgical on the cunt.

3. Hard-Focus the left side of the skill tree.

4. Don't have dogshit aim.

5. Remove Plasma Gunners' status as a threat to your wellbeing.

[torn root]

you know

[tropic notch]

Revlover

[red portal]

Obtain zarona revolver and play the game.

[tropic notch]

Revolver is better

[torn root]

i still think recon las gun migh tbe useable XD just not with shocktrooper

[tall torrent]

It’s the easiest gun for beginners

[tropic notch]

It’s his best weapon it’s just slot of people suck with it

[gentle lake]

Max nades a vet can have?

Not 5 like arby right?

[torn root]

imma be honest

[red portal]

4 kraks

[torn root]

ignoring shocktrooper actually makes it feel nice

[gentle lake]

Solid

[desert valve]

And then you burn through all your ammo by the 3rd firefight because every fucking enemy has Carapace Armour.

[torn root]

how, how can you suck with a laser pointer

lmao

[red portal]

Bro you're not supposed to fire it at every carapace enemy you see.

[tall torrent]

Point cost for left is ass

[torn root]

i think its that ppl try going for shock trooper and end up having no damage

[torn root]

agreed

[desert valve]

Which is why the Bolt Pistol is now the better option.

[torn root]

1000%

[tall torrent]

Nah

[tropic notch]

Not learn the game and get overheaded by a crusher call me bad for not killing the 22 crushers quicker , mald and shit your pants, leave

[tall torrent]

the avg recon las vet holds down m1 and never draws melee weapon

[tropic notch]

[desert valve]

It synergises very well with a Grenadier build.

[tropic notch]

Yes path sifu

[torn root]

i only ever used it the last time i came here months ago -- i can see that happening but also, that's just bad

[desert valve]

Krak out the wazoo

[tropic notch]

That’s just vet in general lol

[tall torrent]

where's the nade synergy if u run deadly accurate + surgical lol

[tropic notch]

Vets builds are ws or mmf

[desert valve]

Are you illiterate?

[red portal]

You want the explosion radius blessing for funsies

[tropic notch]

Calling path that is crazy

[tall torrent]

this what u said

[tropic notch]

[desert valve]

Lil Bro is illiterate.

Severely.

[tall torrent]

lol

[torn root]

.>

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent are you doing anything at 7 cst?

[red portal]

Calling zarona ammo inefficient and using bistol is kind of crazy talk imo

[tall torrent]

nah

[tall torrent]

why

[red portal]

[tropic notch]

Yes path sifu

[tropic notch]

I wanna mooch a 40

[desert valve]

It is, yeah.
Which is why Step 4 exists.

[tall torrent]

I don't have 40 assignment

[tropic notch]

Well we can climb

[tall torrent]

I never bother with assignment lol

it resets every couple of months anyway

just join others' missions

[torn root]

i saw you queue up for one -- LIAR

[red portal]

Also you're better off running skirmisher etc for global damage modifiers than running left side tree.

[tropic notch]

Bistol is just for lethal prox other than that revolver is the better pick

[desert valve]

*worse pick

[torn root]

hardest fact bomb

damage is right side of the tree

left is for memes

[tropic notch]

Nah

[torn root]

middle is kinda both, mostly more effective damage

[desert valve]

The meme in question is a 3-man Collateral kill through carapace armour.
Because guaranteed crits.

And not having Dogshit aim.

[tall torrent]

left kinda only worth if u really need shock trooper cuz the dmg/util loss is just abysmal

which matters for like 1 gun (helbore IV where not having shock trooper genuinely sucks)

[torn root]

3 best nodes for the left side are all on the top end of the branch anyway

[tropic notch]

I only use dbarrel on vet know it’s too good with ps

[red portal]

I use it for hellbore and heavy las pistol that's about it.

[torn root]

until just now i was writing off the recon, but its not absolute ass without the ammo refund

[tall torrent]

laspistol can be run in many ways with all 3 keystones I don't think going down left is the best of those approaches

[torn root]

just gotta use my braincells

[open fossil]

Skirmisher is such a slept on skill

Its not even funny

[tropic notch]

It’s meta

[open fossil]

Basically run for like 3 seconds and u get +25% damage

[desert valve]

Bisect a Crusher from behind with Backstab Damage on a Double Barrel.

[tall torrent]

the number of times I complained to playtesters abt how bad the bottom left branch is lol

[torn root]

best talent on vet tree -- i stand on that hill

[red portal]

Why would you go killzone if you have the points for skirmisher

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

[narrow widget]

slept on???

[tropic notch]

Love my vet

[trim badger]

It is indeed goated

[narrow widget]

are we talking about the same class 💔 💔 💔

[desert valve]

No.

[open fossil]

Granted i only know like one other person who plays vet consistantly and he didnt take skirmisher

[torn root]

kill zone should be like reciprocity and mirrior its position - change my mind

[tall torrent]

killzone is mid

[desert valve]

[red portal]

Midzone

[torn root]

change mthis is fine, but i feel like it shouldnt be that low lmao

make ppl not get friggin punished for taking a mid ass talent

taking it is low key just troll as it stands imo

[tall torrent]

killzone vs exploit weakness is coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[red portal]

It is 8s of not being attacked for a 15% ranged modifier when agile engagement gives you a 25% modifier for killing 1 enemy in melee.

[desert valve]

Some of you have Sub-Dogshit aim and can't dodge, it shows.

[red portal]

Right side is just objectively better if you're not relying on shock trooper

[red portal]

Wdym I'm just saying it's worse then the other options

[faint beacon]

its more reward than Killzone lmao

[tall torrent]

yea right side mogs left completely
agile engagement 25%
skirmisher 25%
exploit weakness 20%
70% dmg for playing the game right
left has a niche conditional 15% that turns off from bs triggers (block 1 rager atk and u can kiss it goodbye)

[faint beacon]

20% raw damage vs 15% Ranged

[desert valve]

No, I'm saying you are worse than the option itself.

[red portal]

On paper my weapon specialist build will do more damage then your build 90% of the time.

[torn root]

yeah, you COULD just swing at a gu get a crit and profit 6s at a higher value on the better end of the tree

i just want it not to be in an ass spot on the tree

that whole area on the bottom left is ass

[red portal]

Marksman focus is finally useable but pathing it sucks

[torn root]

anything past fully loaded makes me upset

[open fossil]

Is onslaught worth it or is there another skill i should be putting that into

[torn root]

tf is this?!

why is it still in the game

bake THAT into the kit as well

[red portal]

It's dogshit

[narrow widget]

only for stuff like recon las

[faint beacon]

never really good aside from extremely niche builds

[hollow ibex]

Not good

[tall torrent]

not relevant outside like 4 high firerate guns

[desert valve]

Excellent question.
The answer is "it's an obstacle in the way of Marksman's Focus"

Do Not pick it under any circumstances.

[open fossil]

Fair enough

[torn root]

worth for automatics -- and i think that's about it

[open fossil]

I can imagine if ur shooting a lot but i run plasma so fuck that omao

Lmao

[faint beacon]

Vraks and Recons

thats about it

[torn root]

this is actually true, and i feel bad for MMF users

[red portal]

0.25 stam Regen delay is right there.

[tall torrent]

the +15% clip size talent should be combined into +25% reserve ammo

[red portal]

[red portal]

True

[torn root]

yes

they are bugging with some of the talents on the left

[desert valve]

Literally just take the +15% rending skill from the middle tree and you can decapitate anything and everything within Line Of Sight in 1-2 shots from a Bolt Pistol.
0.3 shots if you roll a crit.

Suppression is a meme, and not a good one unless it's a Braced Autogun with a very specific setup.

[faint beacon]

I'd honestly rather just do Rending Strikes instead of CITA

10% always up Rending

[torn root]

i have no clue what you are talking about >.>

[faint beacon]

vs Conditional

[desert valve]

Thundercunting an infinite amount of .75 APHE into the Skulls of Plasma Gunners is what I'm on about.

[red portal]

Do you reach a 1 tap breakpoint in havoc 40 even?

[torn root]

but that supression node can change into something like a beeft reload speed node

somethign

[desert valve]

Yes.

[torn root]

ANYTHING BUT SUPRESSION

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent I'm trying to figure out if I can maximize damage on the XII recon 🤔

[trim badger]

We need more VT2 Bounty Hunter talents for vet

They added Open Wounds

[desert valve]

Carapace Armour is a bitch to deal with until it isn't

[tall torrent]

U should start by trying vig auto 3

[desert valve]

Then it becomes laughable

[orchid hemlock]

[open fossil]

Lowkey the supression node is only viable if you're fighting a lot of gunners, and even then its only viable if you have a gun that shoots a lot lol

[faint beacon]

You could also do Agri IX

[tall torrent]

I’m afraid it’s not as good as mk3

[orchid hemlock]

What's Vig on the tier list

[tall torrent]

Since they nerfed the stagger for them

[narrow widget]

the smoke in question

[desert valve]

Equip the Bolt Pistol and run Executioner Stance.

Click on their head.

Continue your run Unimpeded.

[tall torrent]

Somewhere like top 3-4?

[torn root]

and THEN it makes you miss a bit because they have that shitty stumbling animation that makes them bob their head

[faint beacon]

Agri IX has higher Cara ADM vs the others

[torn root]

im not bad

just mad

[faint beacon]

.2 vs .05 on III and VII

[orchid hemlock]

What happened to my recon? 😭

[red portal]

If I was running exe stance anyways I might aswell take the hellbore.

[faint beacon]

Tbh both Burst rifles are insanely good now though

[tall torrent]

Yea but it’s not like that really matters when ur still gonna shoot body on plasma gunner anyway

[red portal]

2 shot crushers with that bitch

[tall torrent]

And mk3 just has better 1 burst breakpoints

[torn root]

im trying to get into infiltrate -- its actually nice being a 1 point wonder

and the supress when you exit is kinda nice

[open fossil]

Lets be real NOBODY is running smoke

[tall torrent]

Prob 5th? Since u need to spread points more

[desert valve]

Plasma Gunners pissed me off a bit too much so I entered Gorilla Mode and became Texas Red with a Bolt Pistol.

[red portal]

Outside of havoc no

[desert valve]

I now 1-tap anything that isn't a Crusher.

[torn root]

i ran smokes for exactly 2 days

only for the event

XD

then they fixed it

[faint beacon]

They still help in high havocs cause they still are ludicrously dangerous

[open fossil]

Havoc 40 is unplayable unless you have competent teammates tbh especially if you're playing vet as soon as the ai director spawns in 40 plague ogryns and you're flooded with 20,000 dreg gunners its over cause you have like 98 health

[orchid hemlock]

Wait so ur telling me IAG got dethroned? 🤔

[faint beacon]

But thats more just its havoc

[red portal]

Smokes are also great for dealing with a billion gunners

[orchid hemlock]

People have soloed it 😈

[torn root]

they do, but you get scoreboard andy players that talk shit about your damage, so you take kraks instead so at least you can take massive dumps on monsters and some packs

[open fossil]

People who are probably touched by the hand of god and got some sort of blessing in being crazy asf at the game

Lmao

[red portal]

Soloing it requires a form of autism I'm just not at the level of yet.

[desert valve]

Agri Braced with Stripped Down & Ceaseless Barrage is a fun way of humiliating Plasma Gunners.
But it's not great against Volley Gunners.

[tall torrent]

For auric
Revolver 2a
Inf auto 5
Plasma
Vig auto 3 & 9
Helbore (any)
Recon (any)
Boltgun
Boltpistol

Prob looks smth like this

[faint beacon]

I'd argue Vig 9 is in between Helby/Recon

[open fossil]

No way revolver is above plasma gun rn is it purely for the ammo economy or what

[torn root]

plasma not being number 1 gunna rub ppl the wrong way

[faint beacon]

I've used it in High havocs and it still kicks ass really well

[tall torrent]

Revolver is straight up the best gun in the game lol it’s only not as good in havoc cuz of ammo

[gentle lake]

Which mutator

[desert valve]

So you just suck at aiming do you?

[torn root]

as an IAG5 player lemme say it should be 3 so the plasma players are at 2 --- though i do think it should be at 1

[atomic void]

plasma requires 0 aim

[tame lodge]

Enhanced Blitz

[gentle lake]

noice

[tall torrent]

I like how u bark

[open fossil]

Ngl plasma for me cause you can shoot through crowds of specialists and enemies cause they like to run at you in straight lines, paired with exec stance u just turn into the death star

[torn root]

ayo?!

[desert valve]

It really does.

[tall torrent]

Plasma is super strong yea

[desert valve]

But you have to land your headshots otherwise you're dealing with a bunch of pissed off Scab Ragers beelining you with a weapon that can only maintain "fuck you" for about 7 seconds.

[torn root]

plasma is strong enough for me to finally consider it, for carrying my ass out of the havoc depths -- use op shit cause bad type of deal

[open fossil]

Plasma is so meta that i dont even like playing it on lower difficulties than havoc sometimes because its too good im just winning too much my steak to juicy my lobster too buttery

[atomic void]

simply dont use plasma in lower diffs then

[tropic notch]

Yeah I believe hav 2.0 was soloable this new one idk

[gentle lake]

Lower diffs are boring as hell.

The only diff should be auric :3

[open fossil]

Ragers you pull out the dueling sword meta

[open fossil]

I only play auric and havoc and sometimes mortis trials

[tall torrent]

Wait for “true solo” posts with shroudfield knife again lol

[orchid hemlock]

Wait revolver is back?

[desert valve]

Unless there's 60 of them.
And there's going to be 60.

So don't miss your plasma volley.

[tall torrent]

This for auric, revolver never left

[tame lodge]

Tru

[tall torrent]

If anything it went up in value a bit

[tropic notch]

I guess I soloed havoc 40 4 times

[desert valve]

It's been dethroned by the Bolt Pistol.

[orchid hemlock]

Oh I was talking about havoc 40s

[open fossil]

true i feel like in that case revolver would be better if you missed

[tall torrent]

Cuz u can make it 1 tap plasma gunner very with much lower spec than the rest

[torn root]

can carry me?!

im not too heavy

[atomic void]

revolver will always be goated cause it doesnt have a dogshit ironsight like 99% of the guns in this game

[tropic notch]

I’ll try

[hollow ibex]

wake me when bistol can one-shot auric crushers

[tall torrent]

For havoc it’s prob smth like
Helbore (any)
Plasma
Vig auto 3 & 9
Recon (any)

[desert valve]

The Revolver is, and I don't care how assmad this makes some of you, just a Lower-Skill alternative to the Plasma Gun, Bolt Pistol & Hellbore.

[tropic notch]

I’m not that good

Tanner said I suck

[red portal]

I still use zarona in havocs

[tropic notch]

[tall torrent]

I think boltpistol is higher value on arb than on vet?

Vet does better with other guns

[atomic void]

bolt pistol and plasma do not require any real skill tho

[red portal]

Struggles a bit with ammo economy but I've been able to match the damage output that my plasma abusers have been

[atomic void]

the bullet hitbox is the size of africa

[desert valve]

Can confirm.

But I use Vigi on Arb because I hate myself.

[tall torrent]

U can 1 burst havoc gunners with vig3

Lower spec than helbore

[open fossil]

ur def use helbore

[tall torrent]

Better draw speed too

[atomic void]

hellbore good

[tropic notch]

I’ve attempted duos on Arby in hav 40

[tall torrent]

Helbore breakpoints kinda fked rn I think 3a is the best one overall?

It’s not as good breakpoint as vig3

[tame lodge]

Damn
The Vigi 3 and 9 adjustments were that good huh

[tall torrent]

Think Ogryn’s achlys heavy stubber
Now imagine if it actually could shoot straight

[fallen needle]

Whats breakpoint?

[sharp epoch]

double arby?

[tame lodge]

💀

[hollow ibex]

don't need breakpoints if your gun is full auto
-mk5 enjoyers

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately vig3 is fuller auto

[tropic notch]

Arby psyker , was with my friend who isn’t really good at the game

[tame lodge]

I always knew Hstubber were just Vigis but ogryn

[sharp epoch]

I feel like the psyker will just die before the arby

[red portal]

Break points more like I'm at my breaking point.

[desert valve]

Sidenote:

This is a Public Service Announcement: Krak Grenades Stick To Plasma Gunners

[open fossil]

psyker always die

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Flak armor
Carapace head

We know

[atomic void]

ive only starrted playing with vigil's recently what benefit does the single fire varient over the other 2 cause i find the other 2 way easier?

[tall torrent]

You get to inhale more copium

[atomic void]

lmao

[tall torrent]

Because 1214 on headshot is fun and definitely good

[desert valve]

You know, and I know.
All the other Gun-Apes present don't know.

[tall torrent]

Against 1400hp enemies

[atomic void]

yeah the other 2 just felt smoother

[gentle lake]

Oh

[atomic void]

the 3 round burst one is the most fun

[gentle lake]

Hi Pare lol

[red portal]

Brother go outside and touch grass.

[desert valve]

The 2-shot synergises very well with Falter.

[desert valve]

I do.

[atomic void]

2 shot was the easiest to aim and control

[gentle lake]

Whats grass

[desert valve]

It's just that I have mega-autism and learn things at 10,000% the rate other people do.

[serene bough]

How much hp do plasma gunners have again

[tropic notch]

I actually wanna find someone who’s a part of the “1%”

[tall torrent]

Actually no the better way to word it is “you get to gamble more”

[tropic notch]

To duo with

[tame lodge]

What are you talking about

?

[tall torrent]

Because almost all the 1 shot breakpoints it has are crit weakspot

[desert valve]

Just enough to piss you off unless you're running Bolt or Plasma.

[tropic notch]

I got called 1% yesterday and in this chat awhile back

[red portal]

He just has donning Krueger it's fine

[atomic void]

oooooo i love gambling all my homies love weapon specialist

[tame lodge]

Ok

[tall torrent]

1800 auric
2700 havoc max

[tame lodge]

[open fossil]

i wish i could post photos

[desert valve]

You, madam, are insulated from your stupidity BY your stupidity.

[gentle lake]

Talk more then you can.

[open fossil]

i have to showcase veteran drip

[torn root]

do they really?

i usually just shot them

[fallen needle]

It comes after like a day

[open fossil]

i be feeling like the man when i walk thru

[gentle lake]

It's because they're carapace yeah?

Yeah it sticks to carapace period.

[desert valve]

Yes.
So use your stickies

[wind gyro]

Vets, I need assistance which recon las is the better of the 3? Trying a las-vet build and need help

[gentle lake]

It sticks on carapace ragers.

[fallen needle]

I just shovel

[tame lodge]

Vic or xii

[open fossil]

first one

[tame lodge]

My personal favorite is XIV though

[red portal]

Better spent on crushers and monstrosities imo

[fallen needle]

Bring demo

[open fossil]

xii is probably the best in terms of dps overall

[desert valve]

And plasma gunners are on the list of "Things you must blow up" because they're bulletproof bastards with Plasma Guns.

[torn root]

12 -- mostly because of ammo and volume fire for the burns/ also lets me stack onslaught for 5 seconds when im fighting bosses

[red portal]

Only their heads most non auto guns 2 shot them on body

[orchid hemlock]

Ah I am a recon conisour

🍷

[desert valve]

You mean the Boltgun, Plasma Gun & Hellbore.

[red portal]

Even the combat shotgun Agripina mark can 2-3 shot them I believe

[sullen scarab]

The burst vigil autoguns are the best ones right now?

[tame lodge]

Just shoot them

[red portal]

Yes

[desert valve]

The 2-shot is just the best because it does funny numbers of damage.

[fallen needle]

Does executioner stance on the recon warrant taking it over shout?

[desert valve]

Not really, no.

[desert valve]

You can, but it's like pissing fire at a brick wall instead of just pissing on the brick wall.

[sullen scarab]

I'll have to try it out. Do you just run the Executioner Stance build with it?

Flak, Maniac, headshot crit surgical stuff?

[desert valve]

Take the rending skill from the middle tree or you'll have a painful time.

[gentle lake]

I need to make a gun psyker build lmao.

[sullen scarab]

heard

[torn root]

don't forget to pick up some of those bullets

the plasma gunners dont feel like a threat anymore tho

sadge

[desert valve]

I'm just now realising that some of the Autoguns eject casings.

[fallen needle]

Did they increase the charge up time?

[desert valve]

Autoguns don't eject casings.

[serene bough]

Thnx

[desert valve]

They're caseless firearms.

[sharp epoch]

they need to revert plasma gunner changes then buff them

🙂‍↕️

[fallen needle]

[torn root]

they slowed them down by a lot, i dont remember the specifics but the min time before they can shoot you essentially got increased

[desert valve]

They now fire at the same rate a player can charge up a plasma gun.

[torn root]

pretty sure its faster

actually i think im thinking of them in havoc only