probably in sydney or something where they like to put australian servers
#veteran-class
tepid otter
i havent really paid much attention to it 
midnight wyvern
E
livid sphinx
Sometimes the automatic thingy is weird. There was this time when the game made me join South African servers
tepid otter
and you can change it anytime?
midnight wyvern
assuming you're not already in a match
tepid otter
Hmm, this is just for havocs right
midnight wyvern
no
steep flower
assuming you're not already in a match
Speaking of matches; crashes are still common; we demoted 2 lvs - mission aborted, then crashes to windows...
It was never THIS bad
The incompetence is insane
red portal
I have had 0 issue getting into havocs as vet.
Arbitrator is lower prio and vet has about the same prio as zealot cause of yellow toughness
Now I might have havoc 40 clearance and havoc forged/true survivor but let's not talk about that.
But in the lower havocs people are more reluctant to accept vet players cause they have a stereotype of not knowing how to melee
steep flower
i wish i would not crash with my homies so we could finally climb up
cause we lost 6 lv so far due to crashes
livid sphinx
Speaking of melee, do you guys ever use the new parry on the DS?
steep flower
its ridiculous
red portal
I'll see how much time I get home
steep flower
Speaking of melee, do you guys ever use the new parry on the DS?
i dont use that dogshit to begin with
red portal
Speaking of melee, do you guys ever use the new parry on the DS?
Have not used the dueling sword on anyone but zealot tbh
And honestly prefer not to run it at all
I have more fun with other melee weapons
livid sphinx
True. I prefer running power sword over DS
since plasma just destroys elites anyway
red portal
Plasma user spotted!
livid sphinx
Oops
red portal
livid sphinx
red portal
I'm just kidding
As long as you're having fun. But I would not be surprised if plasma nerfs is on the horizon
livid sphinx
I dont even know how they're gonna nerf it
The whole set up of the plasma is just that
makes it op essentially
red portal
I dont even know how they're gonna nerf it
You could give it shittier break points. Decrease it's unarmored damage to the point of 2 shotting pox walkers and snipers etc.
There are plenty ways to make the plasma less powerful without outright killing it
livid sphinx
I mean isnt the main point of the plasma is to one shot mfs from a mile away
maybe decrease its horde clearing potential
red portal
Ammo economy nerfs on it would go pretty hard ngl
turbid ibex
Take away the absurd cleave from m1
red portal
Take away the absurd cleave from m1
Fair enough but it's part of the plasmas identity
livid sphinx
not really
red portal
Ah
livid sphinx
Yeah no one uses the m2
red portal
Make the m2 actually useful.
livid sphinx
might as well nerf m1 to make m2 more viable
red portal
Lol
obtuse raft
Yeah forcing charge to get the goofy cleave would be a great step
livid sphinx
Like with marksman focus you dont even really need to aim for the head to get stacks
that fucking log hits heads wherever it goes
primal zealot
You could give it shittier break points. Decrease it's unarmored damage to the p...
that would kill it
livid sphinx
compared to other classes I feel like vet is the only class where only one set up is meta
plasma + DS, shout + weapon specialist
turbid ibex
plasma + DS, shout + weapon specialist
Pord instead of ds
livid sphinx
Even if you go to the gameslantern website, most of the top builds there are running shout and weapon specialist š
livid sphinx
Pord instead of ds
power sword is fun especially for horde clearing
and makes you actually do something in melee instead of making you just spam heavy attacks like the DS
meager echo
is cosmetic shop reset today guys ?
tepid otter
and makes you actually do something in melee instead of making you just spam hea...
do be kinda nutty
I remember just 1 shotting a boss that had a 3rd of its life left
orchid hemlock
plasma + DS, shout + weapon specialist
Wtf no
Games lantern propaganda must end š
steep flower
Ammo economy nerfs on it would go pretty hard ngl
its ammo economy is already dogshit to begin with
tepid otter
new to game just want to be krieg please help
theres a cosmetic for it
rare kite
theres a cosmetic for it <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
this is ture
true*
how do I obtain it :[
tepid otter
with money 
rare kite
with money <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
money and having to wait for an ungarenteed time gate?
red portal
plasma + DS, shout + weapon specialist
Never ran ds or plasma on vet
There are plenty of other options
calm shard
i'm ngl DS is comically overrated
entirely because of people that rely on its dodge profile to not die to poxwalkers
red portal
I'm a powersword enjoyer
midnight wyvern
DS feels kinda meh on vet lol
red portal
I mean why use DS when you can use powersword or falchion.
midnight wyvern
PS has such fucking dogshit mobility but makes up for it in shear will to power through the horde no matter what it's made out of
calm shard
I mean why use DS when you can use powersword or falchion.
or combat axe, or tactical axe
calm shard
yeah same tbh
hollow ibex
I like falch even if it sucks
red portal
I saw someone 2 tap a crusher with pa heavy
Prob auric values but still 2 k crusher DPS ain't bad
hollow ibex
Prob auric values but still 2 k crusher DPS ain't bad
The single target damage isnāt the problem
Itās the lack of stagger, poor horde clear
And dogshit unpowered mode
tepid otter
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1423100914809700635...
are you doing the shove attack, how u do that
red portal
I think the other mark had better horde clear but more shit single target
tepid otter
whats that, sorry i dont know the terms yet
hollow ibex
I think the other mark had better horde clear but more shit single target
In theory yeah but when I tested theyāre similarly shit
hollow ibex
whats that, sorry i dont know the terms yet <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Push attack and then light
sharp epoch
i'm ngl DS is comically overrated
you sacrifice so much dps for it
I think its current state is fine and I don't even use it
no stagger at all still single target and bad at hordeclear
tepid otter
Push attack and then light
you got cranial and energy leakage on it?
hollow ibex
you got cranial and energy leakage on it?
Yeah
Can replace leakage with heatsink for more uptime
gaunt hare
ok so thr new weaponās dump is mobility right?
hollow ibex
Yup
livid sphinx
The new bolter is really fun hehe
gaunt hare
heat management
FUCK I FOUND A 60 MOBILITY ONE
tepid otter
i too enjoy it
gaunt hare
oh wait iām stupid
midnight wyvern
correct
void dragon
The single target damage isnāt the problem
Actually I do feel that single target damage is a problem, even compared to Rashad I have better times killing caparace hordes than the Falchion
livid sphinx
Whats a rashad
tepid otter
Its the combat axe
livid sphinx
Ohh
tepid otter
One of the variants
void dragon
Rashad actually has stagger
That makes it worse because with no stagger you would expect it to hit harder since it's unsafer
midnight wyvern
One of the variants
marks 
tepid otter
nein
hollow ibex
That makes it worse because with no stagger you would expect it to hit harder si...
Vet deserves to suffer: fatshart prob
void dragon
Vet deserves to suffer: fatshart prob
Next patch: Psword and DS are now Arby exclusive
sharp epoch
i think were just used to being disappointed already
void dragon
Maybe we are collectively all DClaw mains and are so used to suffering that we have evolved into Veteran strugglers, hence why the Dooming
sharp epoch
its more like whoever couldnt take it just moved to another class
midnight wyvern
raining
orchid hemlock
PS has such fucking dogshit mobility but makes up for it in shear will to power ...
Yeah you really understand how strong it is when you start getting sandwiched in the corner by a wall of maulers and rager
tame lodge
Next patch: Psword and DS are now Arby exclusive
Then midbtrator would stop being mid
tall torrent
Then midbtrator would stop being mid
arb alrdy op lol
tame lodge
Still can't 1 shot crushers
How curious
Which does remind me to test if they can hit 3700 damage against flak
Or I'm going to start saying that they can't 1 shot Maulers
tall torrent
Still can't 1 shot crushers
neither can TH without meme build
long dove
what's the current Recon build again?
barren nimbus
Can the plasma gun one shot gunners in h40 now
tall torrent
So you're telling me it can 1 shot
irrelevant metric to build for tbh
tall torrent
Can the plasma gun one shot gunners in h40 now
inconsistent
tame lodge
irrelevant metric to build for tbh
That's what someone that can't 1 shot crushers would say
tall torrent
That's what someone that can't 1 shot crushers would say
u can't 1 tap havoc crushers without using ability anyway
it's kinda pointless too with how many they spawn
and TH is at least 10x worse at mixed horde
tame lodge
So you're telling me you can hit 9k carapace damage
Midbtrator still not beating the can't 1 shot crushers allegations
sharp epoch
Can the plasma gun one shot gunners in h40 now
nuh
tame lodge
And I'm telling the truth so
Just don't waste your time arguing with me on that topic
Because I'm right
barren nimbus
PS has such fucking dogshit mobility but makes up for it in shear will to power ...
I genuinely canāt play other classes cause Iām plasma pilled. I wanted to run zealot but I canāt find a weapon I like
tame lodge
What
Midbtrator and beating the can't one shot crushers allegations
sharp epoch
I genuinely canāt play other classes cause Iām plasma pilled. I wanted to run ze...
heavy stubber has better breakpoints than plasma on ogryn
barren nimbus
I havenāt swapped off double plasma in a year
tall torrent
1 shot crusher is kinda pointless as smth to invest in given the only 2 weapons that do it both suck massive balls on mixed horde
sharp epoch
its just the awful pullout animation
tame lodge
1 shot crusher is kinda pointless as smth to invest in given the only 2 weapons ...
Yeah so Arby's still not 1 shotting crushers
š
tall torrent
Can the plasma gun one shot gunners in h40 now
dreg gunner 2100 unarmored
scab gunner 2550 flak
ur not hitting them without loads of active buffs + crit weakspot
tall torrent
Yeah so Arby's still not 1 shotting crushers
still 10x better than the 2 weapons that can tho
lol
sharp epoch
Yeah so Arby's still not 1 shotting crushers
only zealot can though right?
barren nimbus
heavy stubber has better breakpoints than plasma on ogryn
But then what melee weapon do I run
tall torrent
only zealot can though right?
yea with shroudfield TH u can 1 tap h40 crusher
u just need to wait for 10s cd
otherwise it takes 2~3 heavy attacks to kill a single one
AKA abysmal dogshit pro max plus
and that 2~3 is with charging for thrust lol
sharp epoch
I think we should be thinking which class has the fastest ttk with 5+ crushers
and maybe factor in stagger too because your basically cooked if you cant stagger them at all
barren nimbus
I think we should be thinking which class has the fastest ttk with 5+ crushers
Probably veteran
tall torrent
I might be tweaking but I can tell the spawn rate for crusher being lower than before
at least outside of rotten armor
it's mauler/rager spam 99% the time
sharp epoch
Probably veteran
I think pickaxe ogryn or melee psyker
tall torrent
I think pickaxe ogryn or melee psyker
it's prob either pickaxe or some meme build with power maul
but if u allow blitz then vet 100%
tall torrent
FGS can one shot crushers
nah time's changed lol
sharp epoch
alr nerf psyker
tame lodge
Havoc be like
tall torrent
alr nerf psyker
we're 1 year overdue
tepid otter
tall torrent
Woohoo fun mode
yea it is fun
tame lodge
Another 500 DCs š£ļø
barren nimbus
I love melee psykur but I hate the idea of using guns on psykur
tall torrent
Another 500 DCs š£ļø
fix ur internet lol
tepid otter
i imagine they havent fixed it yet
barren nimbus
But then staff and melee psyker doesnāt work
tall torrent
I wish it was my internet lol
it actually is a lot of the time
a lot of network errors are not server sided
havoc is rly fun when u don't take it seriously
tame lodge
Oh I got my 40 then manually demoted to 25 so I could help people with their penances
tall torrent
levelling assignment up is useless when everything resets a couple months anyway
just join other people's missions lol
red portal
I will eventually get my assignment to 40 just to host for other people.
tall torrent
true survivor more like fraud
sharp epoch
H35 you can help people with true survivor
35 is guaranteed 4 modifiers f no
red portal
Stolen valor title.
hybrid plover
It's so weird that I've seen barely ever seen h40s with 4 modifiers but so many 35-39s with.
red portal
stim / garden / rot armor / m21 ?
Sounds about right for last week anyways.
livid sphinx
Hmm I do wonder how are they gonna differentiate the hotshot lasgun with the recon lasguns
tame lodge
stim / garden / rot armor / m21 ?
Oh wow
livid sphinx
once they add that shit
austere mica
Hmm I do wonder how are they gonna differentiate the hotshot lasgun with the rec...
Trick question
They won't add it
tall torrent
Those are some weak modifiers
Theyāre alr
junior grail
Hmm I do wonder how are they gonna differentiate the hotshot lasgun with the rec...
Only way I can imagine if it has a overheat mechanic like the Plasma and needs to be braced to go full auto brrt
tall torrent
I played stim today itās actually not that bad
livid sphinx
Hmm that sounds interesting. Hopefully more penetration than the recon lasgun
tall torrent
Did 140k bleed damage with frag + serrated in a stim mission with mostly scab spawns I think thatās actually pretty good lol
livid sphinx
make it punchy but less mobile
junior grail
Hmm that sounds interesting. Hopefully more penetration than the recon lasgun
Yea I'd like that, hotshot lasguns/hellguns are supposed to be the most powerful antiinfantry lasguns after all
red portal
Did 140k bleed damage with frag + serrated in a stim mission with mostly scab sp...
The dreg blue stimmed ragers are the worst part about stimms
They are legit unkillable with the wrong conditions
remote sonnet
That and reaper with red stim. They delete my full hp bar in 2 shots.
tall torrent
heavy stubber has better breakpoints than plasma on ogryn
It actually doesnāt anymore
Vet has enough +damage talents to push for better 1 taps
Both need crit headshot for real 1 taps most of the time
heavy rover
tall torrent
Do you think stimms final toll is going to be a fun combo?
Green stim + red could be aids
red portal
It's like healing reds but in some situations worse.
orchid hemlock
i found him!
tepid otter
dat helmet tho
north ore
i found him!
Good lord
orchid hemlock
north ore
Whats the typical favorites for ranged weapons on vet? Been experimenting, and i have a couple i certainly like, but i'm curious whats meta and not
north ore
https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-bernie-gif-27192884
offing myself
hollow ibex
offing myself
Talk more and youāll get embed perms lol
hollow ibex
Whats the typical favorites for ranged weapons on vet? Been experimenting, and i...
Helbore plasma IAG and recon are the meta
Though thereās a lot of good options
north ore
My old account did š
(Was not banned, just making that clear)
primal zealot
lame
north ore
Though thereās a lot of good options
Laspistol is fun, I've been goofing off with that
I'm not worried about melee as much since i'm trying to do a longer range build
Oh hey cool new perms
hollow ibex
I'm not worried about melee as much since i'm trying to do a longer range build
Try helbore
Or vigil autos
north ore
I did try it a bit ago, idk how it felt. Altho they reworked em in the update right?
north ore
Or vigil autos
Vigil is the tap fire/semi autos correct?
hollow ibex
Vigil is the tap fire/semi autos correct?
Semi and burst yeah
livid sphinx
stubbers are trash on vet ngl
north ore
I did like the burst since the recoil was lower
hollow ibex
I did try it a bit ago, idk how it felt. Altho they reworked em in the update ri...
Yeah both guns got significant buffs
north ore
Yeah both guns got significant buffs
Epic
north ore
So glad ACs got reworked too
north ore
Been using one on zealot and its so fun
hollow ibex
cough cough
Scroll up smh
north ore
My bad gang i'm like lowkey dying
midnight wyvern
Whats the typical favorites for ranged weapons on vet? Been experimenting, and i...
bolter
north ore
Rn i'm considering Zarona revolver, vigil, or laspistol, and tac axe because lowkey i rly love that thing
tepid otter
Rn i'm considering Zarona revolver, vigil, or laspistol, and tac axe because low...
hmmm, idk i dont see a boltgun on there
north ore
hmmm, idk i dont see a boltgun on there
Lowkey might since I got the twitch skin
hollow ibex
Oh yeah bolter
north ore
Altho my take on boltguns
Spearhead I hate
Such slow reload
Like
In the middle of a fight that's a death sentence
tepid otter
you could spend 1 point on one of the reload talents
tepid otter
In the middle of a fight that's a death sentence
but yeah this happens too
i tend to just save it on ranged elites most times for me
or on monstrosities
north ore
I like the smaller one more
north ore
Yuh
tepid otter
people said the recoil is whack on it atm
north ore
Me neither
I used to use it on Zealot before I discovered the recon and ZR
I basically just use the ZR now and switch to Recon on lights out missions
Or when i'm feeling it
tepid otter
pretty slick looking weapon, i didnt think 40k had it when i started darktide
but then again my knowledge of 40k is sparse compared to most peeps here
north ore
Indeed
tepid otter
keep seeing some stuff about the infantry autogun too, might give that a go as well
north ore
keep seeing some stuff about the infantry autogun too, might give that a go as w...
Ehhh
Too much recoil for me
orchid hemlock
hmmm with MF do yall think the other IAG marks might be worth a try? š¤
hollow ibex
Revolver can 1 shot reapers on CRIT headshot in aurics
And crushers too
hollow ibex
hmmm with MF do yall think the other IAG marks might be worth a try? š¤
Agri is great
Colum still sucks
orchid hemlock
red portal
And crushers too <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Using marksman focus?
orchid hemlock
I dont like ES on the IAGs tho
hollow ibex
Using marksman focus?
Yes
orchid hemlock
the clips are too small š
red portal
I haven't gotten it high enough to be worth using on crushers with my weapon specialist build
I just use psword on them
marsh condor
Is the Crit-Las talent still compatible with the Recon Lasgun?
turbid ibex
Is the Crit-Las talent still compatible with the Recon Lasgun?
Shock trooper works on all lasguns yes
red portal
Marksman focus zarona seems like a meme imo, especially in havocs.
turbid ibex
Ilas, laspistol, helbore and recon
red portal
But will def try it in aurics
hollow ibex
the clips are too small š
The reload is so snappy though
hollow ibex
Marksman focus zarona seems like a meme imo, especially in havocs.
Itās a lot of fun in auric
marsh condor
Shock trooper works on all lasguns yes
Yes, but I mean is it viable nowadays. Before then, they nerfed the Recon a lot.
red portal
Yes, but I mean is it viable nowadays. Before then, they nerfed the Recon a lot.
Yes it's still good.
Recon las is not the greatest for DPS in havocs but it's definitely still viable.
orchid hemlock
The reload is so snappy though
vibe versus form
meager echo
is infrantry lasgun any good guys ?
red portal
No idea
Only lasgun I've used is the heavy las pistol and hellbore.
From what I've infantry las fills a similar role to hellbore but you can't use it on armor.
meager echo
I'll try one to see if it good lol
little fox
Guys weapons specialist with caxe and DB shotgun is so fun holy
midnight wyvern
welcome to 2023 buddy
sharp epoch
vibe versus form
DARTKYIDE VS MODE???
junior grail
DARTKYIDE VS MODE???
Barrels
hollow ibex
is infrantry lasgun any good guys ?
Usable but strictly worse than helbores
meager echo
The recoil is so bad man, it's even harder to aim than the helbore...
midnight wyvern
hellbore hard to aim?
hollow ibex
Pretty sure heās talking about Ilas
meager echo
yeah the infantry las gun has the wierd scope
midnight wyvern
"even harder to aim than the hellbore" implies difficulty in aiming hellbore too
midnight wyvern
yeah the infantry las gun has the wierd scope
they actually have scopes unlike 99% of other guns lol
I quite like them, and Laspistols sight
fair shale
I love my EOTech holographic sight 40k edition
meager echo
my hand is shaky so i have very bad aim
junior grail
my hand is shaky so i have very bad aim <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I use Fullautomod to save my carpal tunnel
Makes the iLas way easier to use
turbid ibex
I quite like them, and Laspistols sight
I would like it better if it just stood still when firing
Instead of having that weird animation where it bounces all over the place
tepid otter
Instead of having that weird animation where it bounces all over the place
someone mentioned that the recoil is bugged, so maybe its that?
turbid ibex
someone mentioned that the recoil is bugged, so maybe its that?
Pretty sure its not that
Im talking about like the actual firing animation
tepid otter
that bad?
turbid ibex
https://youtu.be/OfTKZFKuwZ4 you can see it at about 20s in
turbid ibex
on the lasgun? i thought the laspistol had it
Its way less though
turbid ibex
Its just way too much movement
turbid ibex
was it different before
Pretty sure its been like this since the start
tepid otter
doesnt seem that unnatural, to me at least
turbid ibex
No even a single shot
primal zealot
why does a laser weapon have recoil at all ?
turbid ibex
Firing the ilas looks like the guy is firing 50 bmg or some shit like that
meager echo
maybe to balance the game, since it deal high dmg.
primal zealot
thats not a good reason
turbid ibex
why does a laser weapon have recoil at all ?
Tbf having straight up 0 recoil would feel pretty unsatisfying
tepid otter
i think i just got used to it so it doesnt really bother me that much
primal zealot
that makes it a red bullet gun not a laser gun
turbid ibex
maybe to balance the game, since it deal high dmg.
Does it really deal high damage?
tepid otter
well its supposed to be hot enough to melt peoples faces off
id imagine it would have some kickback
turbid ibex
Im pretty sure its damage is like average-ish
primal zealot
Tbf having straight up 0 recoil would feel pretty unsatisfying
dude there a real bullet guns with less recoil than the janky af lasgun
junior grail
Light has a lot of recoil it seems
primal zealot
yea man every time i turn on the lights in my kitchen they bounce around n stuff n my whole house shakes
turbid ibex
Im just saying that making it have actually 0 recoil would make them feel unimpactful to use
primal zealot
they already feel unimpactful thoughever
tepid otter
i remember someone mentioning that fatshark didnt know how 40k weapons work and this is what we have atm
turbid ibex
But rn they have way too fucking much
faint beacon
@tall torrent Honestly does shovel (Mk1) even need TFD?
just trying to figure out in a build If I should take it or not
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> Honestly does shovel (Mk1) even need TFD?
not rly
the safety it needs mostly depends on cleave & stagger, not atk speed
neither of which it gets
tepid otter
kinda wish there was a playable weapon like this in the game
las rifle with that tether where the mag goes
fair shale
Thats a power cable
barren nimbus
kinda wish there was a playable weapon like this in the game
Pretty sure that is a hot shot lasgun
Which is what veterans are supposed to use
tepid otter
that'd a be a sick weapon to have
tepid otter
Thats a power cable
thank you
barren nimbus
Iām not really sure how it would actually work. I think itās similar to how the plasma gun currently works. I forgot, but it would basically just fire very high powered lasers that had high armour pen
I canāt remember if itās a heavy single shot or rapid firr
tepid otter
i think in game its rapid fire..?
on the enemies anyway
i think i like these types of lasguns better
they look better with the cable
fair shale
thank you <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Np
tepid otter
new class with a heavy weapon arachetype maybe?
something like what the heavy has in space marine 2, different games i know, but just an idea
little fox
Man randoms move so slow
tepid otter
just another day in darktide
half parrot
what's the most useful type of helbore lasgun?
hollow ibex
what's the most useful type of helbore lasgun?
my personal favorite is V
but all of them are good
junior grail
Helbores make me wish we have Polearms for melee, love the spears and halberd in VT2
remote sonnet
Lasgun doesn't have recoil, but heavy vibration. In game though, it is for the vibe.
meager echo
what's the most useful type of helbore lasgun?
I think the mark V is easiest to use. It charge fast so if you mess up your shot it's more forgiving. Also less amo per shot.
dry cloak
what's the most useful type of helbore lasgun?
Playba match with each one and see which one feels best to use
half parrot
I'll try all of the marks then, what dump stat/blessings/perks should I go for?
dry cloak
Mobility is dumpstat
Blessing are
For mk5 surgical and armourbane
For mk4 surgical weigh of fire
And for mk3 its surgical and weight of fire
For perks
Mk5 is plus critchance and carapacr
Mk4 carapace unyielding and same for mk3
For build tou want to maximazi crit chance for no ammo use
Have fun
remote sonnet
If you go weight of fire, you can take something else than surgical.
remote sonnet
The faster you shoot, the less value surgical gives.
meager echo
What should be the replacement for surgical
dry cloak
Maximazi crit chance through deadshot and opening salvo
No replacement
Surgical is mandatory
remote sonnet
Armourbane + weight of fire is the typical.
meager echo
for mk5 should i go for unyielding and crit chance, I don't find myself shooting carapace that much.
remote sonnet
And no, surgical is not mandatory.
Unless you drop weight of fire to give surgical more value.
livid sphinx
Are the rending nodes worth it for plasma?
tall torrent
Are the rending nodes worth it for plasma?
no
hollow ibex
do I go for stability as dump?
yup
hollow ibex
Which weapons is it good for?
weapons with bad adms that you want to correct
so it's very weapon specific
tall torrent
Which weapons is it good for?
vig auto
inf las
recon las
west edge
what gun should i use for veteran stealth build
i need to do the penances unseen predator and adept assassin
unreal nova
100% on the IQ test
Do you light spam knoife or ds or tacaxe? Kappa.
dry cloak
i need to do the penances unseen predator and adept assassin
revolver or boltpistol
remote sonnet
laspistol as well
hybrid plover
Do you light spam knoife or ds or tacaxe? Kappa.
yeah I've tried this too, it's actually pretty effective when you soften em up enough
knife and tac axe
old cobalt
Is it normal for a pure recon lasgun build on vet to struggle in melee? I'm assuming so
deep bone
I run Chainsword with my vet
After the changes itās actually pretty decent
Lets me deal with most things
tawdry osprey
@honest quiver
old cobalt
After the changes itās actually pretty decent
Chainsword viable you say?
do you run XIIIg?
deep bone
After all the buffs itās gotten it feels good
deep bone
do you run XIIIg?
I believe thatās the one yea
old cobalt
what do you run on it?
deep bone
DS is a good pick
Power Sword is also good
I havenāt tried chainaxe yet
But that also got buffed
deep bone
I like experimenting with different stuff
old cobalt
Im just tired of my squad abandoning my squish ass to a horde on all sides
deep bone
When I get home Iām gonna try out Infantry Autoguns
old cobalt
where i cant swap to lasgun to pop specials because I will get deleted by melee if i do
deep bone
Havenāt used them in ages
deep bone
where i cant swap to lasgun to pop specials because I will get deleted by melee ...
Valid
old cobalt
When I get home Iām gonna try out Infantry Autoguns
Vrakis IA is REALLY
REALLY GOOD
I use it for gunker
deep bone
Thatās why I usually toss a frag at my own feet then pop stance
Gives me a second of breathing room
old cobalt
Vraks is essentially Recon Lasgun if you dont wanna build for recon lasgun
so its real good
deep bone
I just started using the Mk. XII recon las
old cobalt
OH YEAH
deep bone
headhunter dum dum
old cobalt
Is Power Falcion good?
deep bone
Itās fees good
dry cloak
Yes it is
deep bone
I like it
pseudo fiber
old cobalt
I've been running the Mk XII with Fumfum Infernus
deep bone
I use that on my Shout build
dry cloak
Its small relic blade basically
deep bone
I donāt like infernus cause the fire dots donāt proc my talents
old cobalt
i mean atm i have absolutely 0 way to deal with crushers
deep bone
Like the toughness of weakpount kills
old cobalt
but everything else dies fast
deep bone
i mean atm i have absolutely 0 way to deal with crushers
Krak
dry cloak
i mean atm i have absolutely 0 way to deal with crushers
Take kraks. Unironically
deep bone
I usually play with my friend who mains zealot so I let her handle crushers and I focus ranged targets
old cobalt
my teammates keep killing the crushers before krak goes off
deep bone
Like gunners and stuff
old cobalt
like I'll chuck a krak and 80% of the time the thing is dead before it detonates
dry cloak
my teammates keep killing the crushers before krak goes off
Dueling sword problem
deep bone
Frags are good cause bleed damage scales with their max health
dry cloak
like I'll chuck a krak and 80% of the time the thing is dead before it detonates
Old.kraks on new kraks
dry cloak
Then idk
old cobalt
"New" being pre-patch kraks
i havent tried them since the last patch
I really like stance so far but what im considering is making 2 builds for recon lasgun
One with Shout+Frag for gigasupport (shout gives me a good way to get the fuck away from crushers)
and one with stance/krak (krak for crushers)
My issue atm is I can -help- kill a crusher easily but my CA just does NOT do enough when I get 2/3 of them in my face
tepid otter
CA?
old cobalt
combat axe
tepid otter
Whats yours blessings and perks on them
old cobalt
running HT/BM
deep bone
Rashad CA is goated
deep bone
I like combat knife aswell
deep bone
i really like it but fuck it cannot handle crushers
I donāt have that issues personally
Combat axe heavies are decent
deep bone
Chainswords isnāt bad against carapace now
Cause the special got buffed
So I just rip their heads off
old cobalt
chainswords are good but i need practice with them
deep bone
Yea
old cobalt
theyre REALLY REALY easy to kill yourself with
if you position well you can turn a crusher into a meatshield if you're 1v3ing them
deep bone
I use my frags a lot to help with crowd control anyways
deep bone
I am excited to try out my new setup in Auric when I get home
old cobalt
with my assault sword it's two specials on head and a heavy to kill
definitely faster, and has stun
deep bone
Having a boring work day rn
old cobalt
but with chainsword i def lose on cleave
though thats probably just because im light spamming
L3 specifically is rough because its an upward swing that makes headshotting really hard
deep bone
The chainswords cleave isnāt that bad anymore
old cobalt
no its good
just worse than CA
noob question
how do you spawn enemies in the meatgrinder
old cobalt
thats ALLOWED?
tepid otter
I mean sure, its not like theyre breaking the game in anyway
tepid otter
I usually just swing right away after doing the special
old cobalt
no like is it
Buff > Swing > Swing > Buff > Swing > Swing etc.
also are DS/DC just the same weapon but
cleave vs single target
tepid otter
Whats DC, I havent had the terms all memorised yet, am like 100 hrs in just recently
old cobalt
devil's claw
they seem like they'd play very similarly with the parry
with devil's claw just being very good at cleave and dueling sword being amazing at dropping specials
tepid otter
I havent messed around with claw much ngl, just heard its a really good defensive choice cuz of the parry
old cobalt
yeahh the only issue is the base damage is like
dogshit
incomprehensibly terrible
at least for lights
tepid otter
yeah, i didnt like how it felt at the time, ive mostly messed around with Falc since coming back
old cobalt
vs a combat axe same level
old cobalt
im probably gonna try uhhh
learning Dueling Sword + Devil's Claw
because if i can get goated with parry i will be in a
much better situation
tepid otter
Dueling's pretty whack
old cobalt
though if im running recon lasgun I cannot be running Devil's Claw
I need to be running Dueling Sword
tepid otter
I like it alot, but people think its overrated
old cobalt
i mean it has arguably the worst cleave in the game
tepid otter
Well its more of a Thrusting weap so yeah
tepid otter
I think the light spams work well enough
old cobalt
but you can also take out big targets REAL quick
tepid otter
I just remember to do PA's to give some distance
old cobalt
the only things it cant one shot from what im testing right now are Ogryn and Mutants
but doing 1,400 damage a heavy is nuts
tepid otter
I think hitting the weakspot on Mutants is just a bit trickier since their head is more where its chest is
old cobalt
oh I just aim for their chin
old cobalt
precognition + Uncanny strike seems nuts on it
a single dodge/heavy and you're doing over 80% more damage
tepid otter
I think i had riposte and uncanny on it when i tried it
trying to level other melees rn tho, am at taxe and smaul atm
old cobalt
mmhhh
I'm trying to figure out what blitz/ability/melee combo to run
I cannot run Devil's Claw without krak
thats a garuntee
So Krak + Devil's Claw on one, Frag + Dueling Sword on another
Krak would solve my Crusher problem 100%
so would Dueling Sword
dry cloak
I cannot run Devil's Claw without krak
You can
Just then tour gub selection becomes revolver. Boltgun or plasma or helbore
tepid otter
I tend to save Krak when theres more than 3 Crushers
old cobalt
You can
Just then tour gub selection becomes revolver. Boltgun or plasma or helb...
i literally cannot run any of those
my entire build is focused around recon lasgun
tepid otter
Cuz less than that, the whole team can handle it by just mogging them with melee's
dry cloak
my entire build is focused around recon lasgun
Then make ansecond one
old cobalt
or the sheer damage?
old cobalt
Then make ansecond one
to clarify, the entire point of this is to solve the issue i am currently having with crushers on my Recon Lasgun build
So making a second build isnt really an option
dry cloak
The parry?
The mobility the ability to kill everything without effort. Once you get used tonit every other melee looksnlike shit
dry cloak
to clarify, the entire point of this is to solve the issue i am currently having...
Which recon lasgun?
If it aint mk6c or the heavy variant you are doing it wrong
old cobalt
Mk XII with DumDum/Infernus
old cobalt
oh no it destroys
fucking everything
i love it
the only thing it cant handle is a crusher
dry cloak
In my experience its a lasertag marker
old cobalt
maulers give it a LIL trouble but
dry cloak
Aim for the body on them
old cobalt
lemme try the heavier version
dry cloak
Told you
tepid otter
old cobalt
the hipfire is also WAY better
dry cloak
The blue one is better on psyker
old cobalt
im using the green one
dry cloak
Green and bron ones are better on vet
old cobalt
maulers are still a lil bit of a hiccup
but are much more doable
....Crushers are still a "Fucking forget about it" time to kill tho
tepid otter
Did hear its more a rookie mistake to shoot crushers unless you got Hellbore
old cobalt
yes
dont shoot crushers unless you got something REAL heavy duty
i dont use hellbore because im bad with it
i--
wait
...Scab ragers have FLAK helmets?
and Carapace armor?
tepid otter
Opposite of what a Mauler has, iirc
calm shard
...Scab ragers have FLAK helmets?
and legs, and arms
and also torso if you're using explosives/electro staff
old cobalt
and legs, and arms
w e i r d
Okay. I have two lasgun builds. One uses Frag/VoC, one uses Stance/Krak
Should I run
- Devils Claw on both
- Dueling Sword on both
- DC on VoC and DS on Stance
- DS on VoC and DC on Stance
calm shard
why the hell would you ever run devils claw with anything
calm shard
yeah but the dueling sword has one now
tepid otter
I think id use DS on both over da claw
calm shard
except dueling sword gets to be good at other things lmao
calm shard
no
old cobalt
ogie
calm shard
it just has such an abysmally dogshit blessing pool that you have to choose between rampage or a cleave blessing
calm shard
cleave damage
old cobalt
also what Mk to run for DS?
calm shard
I think Mk IV is still the best, but Mk II is effectively identical
Mk V is for weirdos and whackjobs and is objectively the coolest one
tepid otter
Mk V is for weirdos and whackjobs and is objectively the coolest one
is this the one with the heavy slash
silver patrol
you should pick the MK 5 so you skate around
calm shard
is this the one with the heavy slash
Nah MK II is the one that has the weird cleave heavy
Mk V is the one with overheads
silver patrol
5 is the one with the double dodge stat
old cobalt
double dodge stat?
silver patrol
as in, mobility and defense
silver patrol
or cleave damage
old cobalt
WHEN DID I GET A 60% MOBILITY DUELING SWORD?
game???
id honestly rather have a lil bit of cleave than mobility
so im v happy with a mobility dump stat
silver patrol
even at 60, the mk4 is a dodge monster
old cobalt
yeah if you have a stupid amount of mobility, you can afford to dump it
in most games
also out offfff
blessings
I take it blessings aaare
silver patrol
i do Riposte and Uncanny strike
old cobalt
Thrust or Reposte
and
Precog or Uncanny
tepid otter
i do Riposte and Uncanny strike
this do be good
old cobalt
both seem to be very viable on both sides
silver patrol
i wouldn't hold the heavy attack for long
tepid otter
I like the crit more than the finesse
old cobalt
tbh im looking at Precog/Uncanny and\
those together seem like they'd make the DS a monster
but they also seem TOO good
straight overkill for breakpoints
silver patrol
i think Uncanny strike is basically mandatory, especially with the armor pen nerfs it got
Riposte or Precog are both up there
old cobalt
Do I really need 84% increased damage per attack on a weapon that is already oneshotting anything not in carapace?
silver patrol
well yes, you are not always oneshotting non carapace
old cobalt
...
YOU RIGHT
Uncanny/Precog it is!
ugh
im gonna have to buy an assload of dueling swords
20 should do it for 10 mastery levels?
silver patrol
i wish you could just pay resources directly to upgrade mastery
old cobalt
maybe 25...
old cobalt
i wish you could just pay resources directly to upgrade mastery
dont say that theyll make it cost 500 diamantine a level
silver patrol
i suppose
tepid otter
i surprisingly got a lot of that thanks to past events so i didnt really struggle
with like upgrades
silver patrol
keep one of them just in case
old cobalt
im gonna keep the 60 cleave one ya
calm shard
dont say that theyll make it cost 500 diamantine a level
hell yeah
old cobalt
OKAY
MASTERY 20
I take it best options for ds are Flak/Cara
so it has some sort of armor pen
tepid otter
I got Cara and unyieding on it
old cobalt
ehh i got recon lasgun for bosses
its not GREAT but
the boss is usually dead before my mag is empty so
no complaints
OKAY
TIME TO TEST THIS SHIT OUT
silver patrol
so it has some sort of armor pen
bro it has like
insane amounts of armor pen
i also got Unyelding and Carapace
old cobalt
well yeah thats the entire reason im picking it
i worded that very poorly
ah
yes i will be taking flak damage
it allows me to one shot scab gunners
and 2 shot ragers
Wow. Parry really just trivializes like
anything thats scary if you're not being totally swarmed
doesnt it
steel veldt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuMebddsCUg
most wholesome interaction of the Rejects, getting the trust of the PTSD Cadia Man
If only I had a friend like Cutthroat, imagine the unwavering loyalty once you get past the shell of.... well, being a Cadian.
grand perch
This notably does not happen with female CT
steel veldt
bruh
grand perch
She hates psykers no matter what
grand perch
There's this one interaction where female seer (?) psyker is like "I think I'm getting the hang of this!"
And female cutthroat just goes "go be competent a little further away from me witch"
I had a good laugh at that one
steel veldt
Okay that is hilarious
My favourite ones has to be Agitator Zealot folding under no pressure constantly
frank basin
topaz lance
Agri shotty is so much fun with the new MMF. Damn, this gun used to be my favorite way back and is becoming it again.
tepid otter
I was just in one where some vets were praising the lasguns over fancy guns
I wish i could listen to it again, i was under duress and imissed most of it
but the other vets just saying "damn straight"
steel veldt
barely
tepid otter
was stressed out with teamamtes messing up my penance
steel veldt
but I can ask my friend
tepid otter
i wonder if theres just a compliation somewhere lmao
vivid silo
Agri shotty is so much fun with the new MMF. Damn, this gun used to be my favori...
Aye 1-shotting the Plasma Gunners with it was a pleasant surprise for my goofy Executioners Stance build for the shotty
grand perch
i wonder if theres just a compliation somewhere lmao
I haven't heard this particular line, sadly, or I'd have saved it for sure
vivid silo
In fact, 1-shotting anything that isn't a Crusher or Mutant. I think Crushers took 2-3 slugs depending on crits
(without +carapace or Bring it Down!)
grand perch
Agrippina with mmf was fantastic even before the patch. It only got better
topaz lance
What keystone modifiers are you using with the Agri shotty? I like both Tunnel Vision and Long Range Assassin (using Deadshot).
grand perch
Those 2 would be my choice, and arguably you could add chink armour for carapace targets if you want
silver patrol
are you using longshot too
topaz lance
are you using longshot too
I am
grand perch
Yes since its buff I would
noble nexus
does anybody still have hope for the melta being added to the game someday?
midnight wyvern
N 
old cobalt
does anybody still have hope for the melta being added to the game someday?
a full melta, probably not
Inferno Pistol? maybe
I think the main issue with melta tbh is gameplay. They could make it a lore accurate continuous death beam, but that would end up with it either being unusable or a direct upgrade to the lasguns
OR they could make it like they did in Space Marine 2 where its inexplicably a giant microwave... But then its just "big plasma gun"
noble nexus
Plasma shotgun like the SM2 maybe?
noble nexus
typed too slow
old cobalt
like "Plasma gun but cant kill specials past 20 feet" does not sound
super appealing
even if it is a big fuck off cone
turbid ibex
even if it is a big fuck off cone
Idk that sounds fun to me
noble nexus
would the "super powerful shotgun" make the DB non-viable in comparison.
turbid ibex
I liked the melta in boltgun so i could give this a try
old cobalt
would the "super powerful shotgun" make the DB non-viable in comparison.
in most regards yes
however
it would be a HARD limit
on like how far it can travel
DB can still 1 tap a sniper from 150 yards lmao
though keep in mind in space marine 2 the melta is just kind of uncontested the best weapon in the game for literally anyone that can equip it
noble nexus
even shorter than the shotgun sure sounds inefficient. even more when it comes to vet. maybe the zealot might be able to have it.
noble nexus
weren't flamethrower/bolter/melta the trinity to zealots?
turbid ibex
even shorter than the shotgun sure sounds inefficient. even more when it comes t...
I could see it going to vet as well
old cobalt
Well idk about Zealot because Zealot is a very vauge term butr
The main issue is WHY THE FUCK WOULD OUR CHARACTERS HAVE THEM?
AT ALL?
silver patrol
why not
old cobalt
Because they're INCREDIBLY expensive and valuable weapons given to soldiers to take down tanks
silver patrol
random hobo with a flamer
old cobalt
they are not something you give ex-con #44832 to shoot homeless people with
turbid ibex
they are not something you give ex-con #44832 to shoot homeless people with
We are already way past that point
silver patrol
so is a melta no?
old cobalt
flamers are designed for killing hordes of homeless men
plasma guns? expensive, but not insane.
silver patrol
bolters are also in the same tier
turbid ibex
You have to remember the character level is literally meant to represent how much the warband trusts you
noble nexus
Giving up range for close damage as a veteran sure would make some problems. come to think of it.
frank basin
Shroudfield veteran
turbid ibex
Like at a certain point we kinda stop being just some random rejects
noble nexus
Shroudfield veteran
good point
silver patrol
i dunno the story, but hasn't it been overhauled so that we, in fact, are not some random rejects
turbid ibex
i dunno the story, but hasn't it been overhauled so that we, in fact, are not so...
I wouldnt say its because its been overhauled
frank basin
We now work with brahm mistress as sheās a rogue trader secretly
serene bough
OR they could make it like they did in Space Marine 2 where its inexplicably a g...
I would prefer they make it a reliable, ammo efficient, and suitable weapon that deals with carapace very easy, to counterbalance weapons that have poor armor penetration
old cobalt
so is a melta no?
I looked into this extensively when making my Witch Hunter for my 40k game. She's a member of an Inquisitorial Retinue in the Ordo Hereticus. After digging around for like 4 hours? I literally could not justify her owning an Inferno Pistol, and Meltas are meant to be super expensive specialist weapons that are very rarely given out.
Plasma rifles/pistols WORK as anti-armor, even up to some of the heavier stuff. The Melta's only purpose is to take out actual vehicles and such. Lore wise it would make absolutely zero sense for people who's names are not worth the space in an Interrogator's mind to have incredibly expensive specialist equipment.
serene bough
a lot of melee weapons that cant deal with cara need a ranged compliment that can
midnight wyvern
we're just part of the warband, we also do work for an inquisitor and a commisar while killing ere'tics by the thousands
turbid ibex
When we create a new character they are indeed some random reject
old cobalt
r
turbid ibex
When we create a new character they are indeed some random reject
(Unless arbites)
r
midnight wyvern
r
old cobalt
r
silver patrol
are hellpistol the same as infernopistols
noble nexus
Anybody remember this datamined thumbnails form the beta?
old cobalt
but no, lore wise it wouldn't make sense but also in space marine 2 they made it a fucking microwave gun so
fuck lore i guess lmao
go nuts
that is 100% NOT how that works but as a heavy main im here for it
turbid ibex
When we create a new character they are indeed some random reject
But the more missions your character does the more levels (which again are a representation of the warband's trust) they gain until it reaches a point where they arent really just some random rejects anymore
old cobalt
I think a big issue thats being skipped over is that, from all the convos ive seen and the games I've played?
frank basin
Neovolkite is microwave gun
noble nexus
honestly I want a legit sniper rifle than anything really.
midnight wyvern
Nukor
old cobalt
having a dedicated anti-carapace gun would kill the game
midnight wyvern
frank basin
Warframe mention
old cobalt
having a dedicated anti-carapace gun would kill the game
change my mind
turbid ibex
honestly I want a legit sniper rifle than anything really.
New vigis and helbore kinda work for that
silver patrol
it would be nice if they weren't lame
noble nexus
New vigis and helbore kinda work for that
technically, yeah
midnight wyvern
New vigis and helbore kinda work for that
plasma 1 tap headshotting crushers with a RMB:
old cobalt
Cara enemies are meant to be actual threats that take risk or resources to kill. If you have a secondary made to kill them then they just turn into dreg shotgunners
mortal aspen
carapace is paper
frank basin
Carapace threat when met with fgs psyker heavy attack
old cobalt
yeah imagine if you could just on demand delete a crusher from 20ft away without even using your blitz or ability
that aint good lmao
mortal aspen
you literally can already
silver patrol
weapons can already do that
frank basin
Helbore or bolt gun does that
midnight wyvern
Ill add to it, you can already do that
turbid ibex
yeah imagine if you could just on demand delete a crusher from 20ft away without...
You dont have to imagine
midnight wyvern
but yeah, you can just balance it around low ammo lol
silver patrol
if the plasma gun had a charged shot
old cobalt
I know. I'm saying imagine a gun even better at that