veteran-class

[tall torrent]

Yea flamer is unfortunately zealot’s best utility ranged

Zealot’s mixed horde melee weapons are unfortunately not as good as the equivalent on vet, ogryn and arb

[frank basin]

How zealot can dealt the sniper then?

Unless skilled throwing knife

[tall torrent]

Yes throwing knife lol

[frank basin]

Damn this build is skill check

[void dragon]

So more than the perk tree rework Zealot needs some weapon tweaks too?

[tall torrent]

If relic blade had perfect strike it’d be closer

Because the equivalent on other melee classes are
Power sword (vet)
Pickaxe (ogryn)
Arb maul (arb)

[void dragon]

So many blessings need to be adjusted for each weapon it feels

[tall torrent]

Zealot’s problem is that ur cleave will just get eaten up by mixed horde

And u cannot cleave through carapace while not having as high stagger

I’m also 99% sure the highest mixed horde clear melee atm is power sword with sunder + serrated blade

The fact that the only 2 melee weapons that can cleave carapace on zealot are heavy sword and eviscerator is pretty sad

Neither is good for diving plasma gunners

[calm shard]

serrated blade gaming?

[floral creek]

Does the Mk VI bistol proc Execution?

[marsh condor]

I assume it does, or at least makes explosions more damaging.

[willow prairie]

boltpistol
explosion damage

[marsh condor]

Tiny RPG moment.

[calm shard]

in exe stance on vet it does upwards of 80! damage

[distant mural]

Could i use this with the eviscerator too?

[calm shard]

not exactly useless, but I'd be hard pressed to call that valuable

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/ch0colatchaud-burst-gif-21178804

[calm shard]

The new bolter however can do ~120 in ideal conditions

which like

3 shotting poxwalkers with the explosion of your bolter is pretty convenient actually

means that when you're clearing gunner doomstacks every basic shooter around them just kinda...dies?

[tepid otter]

pretty neato

[manic umbra]

no more On Your Toes? is the TDR node better?

[manic umbra]

guessing top PSVI blessings are now sunder + PC instead of BM + PC?

[bold sierra]

great krak bolter (the new mk) H40 game

[bold sierra]

tho i just like having innate explosion whereas the other bolt pistol doesn't

[azure narwhal]

i'd like to pick up an autogun i'll stick to for a while, but i am stuck choosing between braced agripinaa and the infantry variant. suggestions?

[mortal aspen]

IAG is peak

shreds everything as long as it's medium range

[azure narwhal]

fair. i've heard plenty of love about both specifically, but people do seem to like infantry more overall

vraks mk V also looks like a good middle ground

spray n pray but i can actually aim

[tepid otter]

Whats your build on this one?

[bold sierra]

I even had the revive shout by mistake in that game lol, so honestly you can take whatever for the last point ig

[turbid ibex]

Take revive shout

[primal zealot]

revive shout is underrated

[turbid ibex]

Not really

[primal zealot]

i dont take it cus im not a support sub but i appreciate those who do

[turbid ibex]

The cooldown increase hurts a lot

Specially with the awareness nerf

[bold sierra]

it CAN be great but throughout that game I had, I couldnt use revive shout at all, whenever my teammates got down, it was always like 7-12s be4 I can use shout but by then they're already up lmao

[torn root]

fam, do we value 26 toughness in havoc y/n?

[turbid ibex]

As long as revive shout has a cooldown penalty it will continue not being worth using

[midnight wyvern]

its pretty accurately rated

if it had no downsides it would be nice

if it had only the range decrease for the revive that'd be nice

[drowsy goblet]

chainsword vs chainaxe? whats the major difference they kinda feel the same

[dry cloak]

chainaxe has more single target damage and is generally slower

[drowsy goblet]

fair enough, i'll just stick to chainswords then

[dry cloak]

chainaxe is better on zealot

as is every melee available to him

[drowsy goblet]

i just use melee to handle bigger groups of enemies

[steep flower]

More than that;
Chainaxe does on paper more dmg for builds which do not utilize crits that well where chainsword is more crit oriented; also chainsword is better vs chaf due to moveset & blessings for cleave like wrath while chainaxe is better vs singles due to bloodletter & thunderous combo

[dry cloak]

yes

[torn root]

why does agile engagement have the same symbol for both buffs?

shit not confusing?

[tame lodge]

It is

[mortal aspen]

you're looking at your buffs?

[cunning haven]

i havent tried it myself, but im pretty sure "Leave no one behind" with 1 or 2 revive speed curio perks can get you reviving downed players quick enough during the shout's stun.

u cant revive 3 at once but throw a grenade for each teammate u should have enough time

you will be better medic most time cuz quicker shout, better move speed more stagger and you buff the teammate that you revive

[ancient path]

ive been enjoying triple barrel shotty. i just dont know what ult to run with it.

executioner stance is fun for the reload speed

shout is shout

[ancient path]

i simply do not pay attention to it.

[ancient path]

.

[turbid ibex]

Stance gives reload speed?

[ancient path]

yes

..... yes?

checks

.... no it doesnt.

it's all been in my head.

[torn root]

ive got a bit of ADD and my peripherals are too damn good-- it bothers me

[ancient path]

damn the placebo effect is weird as hell

i would of given my favorite big toe on the bet that executioner stance gives reload speed

ork brain; i think i reload faster therefore i am reloading faster.

[hidden hinge]

Veteran just thinking: “why don’t I simply reload faster?”

[tame void]

revive shout is honestly griefing, you support your team better by not having it

[tall torrent]

Yea ur gonna need to swing at least 5 times vs mauler mixed horde anyway, serrated makes that 10 stacks of bleed on everything which is a lot more than ur cleave distribution on energized light atks

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t recommend
Eviscerator has perfect strike and is better built for crit
That build I sent above has no crit synergy

[formal hamlet]

Has the Veteran guide been updated with the new talent tree changes? All the builds people helped me make got reset.

[tame void]

just make another

[formal hamlet]

Took me a while to get people to help me tweak each build one by one.

[tall torrent]

What weapons

[formal hamlet]

Plasma gun, helbore, recon lasgun, revolver, and melee wise I normally use power sword or duelling sword, though I've been running knife with revolver.

[tall torrent]

Generic build

[manic umbra]

Is TDR node worth it over on your toes?

[tall torrent]

The 10% TDR on bottom left?

[distant mural]

ok thx. Eviscerator has become my new fav for zealot

[void dragon]

would appreciate advice on my attempt to make the Laspistol into a Hellgun-mini but with still being capable in melee, is there something that could be improved?

[tall torrent]

Get at least one of the 25 TGH nodes

[void dragon]

the question is what to drop, maybe agile engagement and just lean more into gunning?

[tall torrent]

WS subnode prob

[void dragon]

i want that for stamina regen tho

[tall torrent]

U already have 0.5 regen delay

[floral creek]

Any shock maul fans?

[hollow ibex]

nope

[torn root]

im pretty sure its a mistake to skip onslaught if you are going las gun

hmm i assumed the wrong las gun

[void dragon]

this is for the lasPISTOL, so while it could work im leaning into the high weakspot and crit damage and keeping a Psword as can opener

[torn root]

yes.. already noted the mistake...

[void dragon]

also, dont think lasgun onslaught is that great unless you can make it work with some bleed to add to that brittlenes

because of the extra HP of enemies

[torn root]

.>

[void dragon]

dont believe its bad, but this already lacks some melee damage

[grand perch]

@tall torrent would you agree stam regen is now better than sprint eff for curios? especially since it stacks additively

[tall torrent]

Yea I don’t run Sprint eff anymore

But not because it stacks additively

[faint beacon]

More under the lines of "Veteran Stamina Economy isn't completely and utterly fucked" I assume

cause we now have a .75 delay instead of 1s

[grand perch]

yeah

[tame lodge]

Vet finally remembered that he's a soldier

[void dragon]

Asthmatic veteran no more!

[fair shale]

The years of lho sticks finally caught up to em

[void dragon]

Now we can ruin it's lungs the right way: smoking!

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/herogasm-soldier-boy-smoke-mothers-milk-mm-gif-26079205

[vernal ermine]

So... smoke still not good?

[manic umbra]

Whoops, I meant the +25 toughness node around the bottom right

[tall torrent]

Ur choice tbh

Both are good

U should get at least one 25 TGH node

[red portal]

I mean it's a very simple way of forcing plasma gunners into melee

Can't say if that's necessary anymore though with the plasma nerfs

[mortal aspen]

it is

[red portal]

Smokes aren't bad though

[turbid ibex]

Smokes are good

[void dragon]

Whatxhamean? Smokes were ALWAYS good

[glacial falcon]

Smokes are good in the outgunned event, but the current havoc rotation means kraks are significantly better for rhe large amount of armor and healing cureently happening.

[fair shale]

Vets best nade tbh

Always has been

[hollow ibex]

ehhhhhh

it's good, but really only in havoc

[glacial falcon]

Idk bout that one chief. A while back dogs and trappers used to just leap through em.

[fair shale]

The single most fucked up enemy in this game since day one has always been shooters and gunners and it actually turns them off for a bit

Its a Walmart brand psyker shield and we all know how good that mf is

[torn root]

they have been for a while

[fair shale]

Fwiw my taste is heavily skewed by havocs

And I think in auric you can genuinely do whatever you want

[torn root]

this is the only time you need them XD -- OR DURING THAT BUGGED ASS EVENT!

[tall torrent]

All 3 vet blitz are good in havoc

Which is a good thing

Can’t say the same for vet abilities

[void dragon]

Nah, even in auric forcing all trappers, fmalers and other gunners including plasma into the tip of your Psword is good

[tall torrent]

Smoke is nice because it saves u 1 point situationally

U don’t have to run tinker with smoke

[torn root]

if i had 1 more point i would always have tinkerer

[fair shale]

Fwiw I do not think the others are bad

[void dragon]

Feel that infil-nadier is the only way to make it really put some nice damage, but the other skills feel quite good already

[red portal]

Grenadier is so actually pretty good with kraks

[fair shale]

I just think good smoke use provides more value than the others

[tall torrent]

Infil needs changes

[fair shale]

Except for maybe krak rn but thats cause rot armor crushers exist en masse atm

[void dragon]

It can be more valuable than bubble so I would agree

[tall torrent]

It depends on team comp

I don’t think u need smoke if bubble is being played

[fair shale]

I think team comp can heavily influence many things

[tall torrent]

There’s reason to use all 3 for team which is a good thing

[void dragon]

Yeah, but can run smoke and have Sparkhead run vent for more damage

[tall torrent]

Nah

[torn root]

if it had 2 charges at 40 seconds cd i would take it

[fair shale]

I agree

[torn root]

i feel like the extra charge coming at a cd increase is ass

[tall torrent]

Run smoke to have psyker be more op

No thx

[fair shale]

Yeah psyker doesnt need your help

Theyre gonna do whatever theyre gonna do irregardless lol

[void dragon]

They need to pay the "help the team" tax because they are too op

[torn root]

zealot gets and extra charge on a skill with no downside, psyker gets an extra charge and cdr on a skill, while vet gets an extra charge and increased cd because FS said so

[fair shale]

Whether that be literally carry you or blow themselves up 9 times

[tall torrent]

Psyker would be slightly more balanced if every enemy in the game had 50% warp DR baseline

For obvious reasons this is a joke

[fair shale]

Psyker is balanced by the fact that most of them seem to have no idea how to not explode, apparently

[glacial falcon]

Before this patch shredders were king because with any amount of rending you could 2 nade an entire pack of crushers, maulers etc. Smokes were good so long as you had an answer to armor clumps. Now crushers have more hp so shredders are worse against heavy armor but still good general use, kraks against heavy armors, and smokes are great on ranged mutators. Each one has a niche, but I wouldn't call smokes the best.

[red portal]

Breaking news flamestaff is now the only viable staff.

[atomic void]

book cdr got nerfed big time

[tall torrent]

psyker is so op that even if u allowed power sword to run cycler + BM + sunder + slaughterer + rampage all at the same time, vet still is not as good as psyker

[atomic void]

u have to spend a point for both fotf and shroudfield to make sure your cdr resembles the old cdr

[red portal]

Cycler should be basekit though change my mind

[tall torrent]

Then power sword becomes uncontested #1 best melee in the game

[silver patrol]

good

[void dragon]

That's a lot of brokenness, we should tone down it's baseline survival?

[red portal]

I guess it is just balanced around having 1 blessing slot.

[tall torrent]

Tone down psyker’s damage

[void dragon]

Soulfire damage curve?

[tall torrent]

Also to give u an idea of what those 5 blessings at the same time means for power sword

U can 1 hit kill 4 ragers per swing

Even that is still not as good as psyker

[void dragon]

No push stab swing? That's a lot of damage

[tall torrent]

No

Psyker needs ~80 nerfs

[atomic void]

psyker is balanced around 95% of it's "mains" sucking massive donkey cohones

[tall torrent]

Or, since they got buffed this patch

More like 90 nerfs now

[atomic void]

im convinced only reason why psyker gets nothing but buffs is because psyker win rates are low

[red portal]

Yeah some people refuse to play with flame staff psykers.

For good reason

[void dragon]

Probably, people are TERRIBLE at warp bending

[atomic void]

if i had dollar for every time a psyker exploded themselves in aurics

i'd have

1 million

[red portal]

I've seen people blow themselves up with flame staff ffs.

And complain about it's peril gen

It's like the easiest staff to manage peril on.

If you were using trauma then fair.

[void dragon]

Maybe we should make all staffs have more peril generating to compensate, so we have more psyker fireworks

Also, I'm sure they increased the CDR of the class, is WAY too good

[glacial falcon]

Here's the thing, psyker and vet are fundamentally different clasdes and build very differently. Psyker is very much a 1 trick pony. In that a melee psyker REALLY excels at melee but sucks at everything else. A sniper psyker is really good at picking off gunners etc. but sucks at everything else. You can make psyker a horde deleter, but he will suck against bosses and heavy armor. Contrast that with vet, and 90% of vet builds are decent at everything. A plasma focus target vet can still melee, a melee infiltrate vet can still pick off gunners etc.

[tall torrent]

How does psyker suck vs armor on a mixed horde deleter build lol

[torn root]

no, sunder + brutal momentum might be too good if it were

not even might

[red portal]

Psyker with SG and DD is very much a generalist build like weapon specialist vet.

[glacial falcon]

Flame psyker cannot deal with rotten armor+garden.

[torn root]

neither can EK

or VB

staves just suck ass against rotten armour

[red portal]

Voidblast has the brittle stacking build which is helpful for your team.

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

[torn root]

yeah but its not actually dealing with the problem specifically, lmao

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure rotten armor is only ranged DR, not general DR, so it’ll still obliterate maulers and ragers

And psyker has strong enough melee to kill crushers even on staff build

[torn root]

the enemies would probably just die faster from meleeing them anyway

[red portal]

You can run the Deimos force sword and burst some crushers down after brittle stacking and staggering them

[torn root]

you would probably kill them faster by just swapping to melee before even using an M2

lmao

[red portal]

If it's only 1 crusher sure

[torn root]

you are gunna m2 how many times? before you stack something like shredder?

[red portal]

But with enough crushers your better off just staggering them letting your team deal with them on VB

[torn root]

we'll agree to disagree, -- i see rotting armour on crushers im putting my staff away, lmao

same for vet, i will pull out melee

[ember nest]

This is no longer true

[tall torrent]

Funny sword

[torn root]

obscurus?

[void dragon]

Just wait for ObeseFish to add the nurgle priest so enemies are immune to the Psyker bullshitery

[tall torrent]

Yea

[torn root]

yeah like why wouldnt i just do that lmao, what do you have on it?

[tall torrent]

Uncanny + superiority

Pretty standard spec

[torn root]

convert me from an illisi pleb

[tall torrent]

Illisi is not good

Unfortunately

[ember nest]

Psyker weapon choices still cover just as many bases for about the same reasons as vets.

Vets just suffer even more if they try to hyperspecialize

Psyker toughness buffs (both generation and cap) have made them a lot more broadly functional.

[red portal]

Deimos has funny crusher damage as well if you force l1 with qq, quell, or block canceling

[torn root]

i dont really use it, just more like its the only one that i like the moveset for

[tall torrent]

I was once gaslit by psyker mains who told me that Illisi is good at horde clear

[void dragon]

Give illisi a warp slash instead of a single swing

[torn root]

its just decent

special heavy repeat

[tall torrent]

Then I tested how it actually performed and concluded that it’s ass

[fair shale]

I dont main psyker but I use illisi for single target stuff on staff builds tbh

[ember nest]

I need to try this but mainly I've been doing the heavy lightlight and the light into heavy shit of the first 2 models

[tall torrent]

Illisi is not good at single target

[ember nest]

Haven't seen much use in the 3rd

Is the 3rd illisi?

[torn root]

illisi is horde clear oriented

[fair shale]

Isnt illisi the up down one

[torn root]

no

[fair shale]

Or am I thinking of the wrong FS

Im thinking of the wrong FS, nvm me

[tall torrent]

Illisi is pure horizontal swing

[torn root]

its the right to left heavy attack force sword

[ember nest]

Hate illisi

[fair shale]

Yeah my bad

[tall torrent]

Deimos is stagger stab

Obscurus is generalist dps

[ember nest]

Deimos and obscurus are the ones I like

Can both deal w/ crushers but deimos is the one that can knock them on their ass

Which can be very valuable

[tall torrent]

Obscurus kills most things faster with less safety

[ember nest]

^

If you want horde clear and a bit less capability into crushers (but still able to kill them) use bfgs

[tall torrent]

Illisi is actually like
Just a little better than mk6 knife at horde clear lol

I was gaslit by psyker mains so hard

[ember nest]

I think its cope for wanting a niche for it

[tall torrent]

Nah they just don’t know shit

They be saying anything

[void dragon]

Illisi is barely better than taxe at horde clear

But worse at everything else

[ember nest]

There is no justification for illisi afaik

[tall torrent]

Psyker mains are the most proficient at self gaslighting because they only play psyker thus know nothing about other classes’ weapons to have an accurate idea of what’s good and what’s not

[void dragon]

That's why it needs it's warp slash at home

[void dragon]

Make sense, psyker mains are warp crazy

[tall torrent]

Illisi gaslighting is not actually the worst

The worst was when someone told me SG made DS have good horde clear

Then I test it and it takes 36s to kill 50 poxwalkers

https://tenor.com/view/wings-wingsofredemption-thor-stormbreaker-gif-15888988948364502772

The amount of gaslighting is insane

[ember nest]

The stagger made it safe last patch

But seems like that was a bug

So now its not

Back to the mega gay zone

[fair shale]

Tbf

You can just use inferno

And win every game lol

You dont even have to know things about other psyker weapons

[tall torrent]

Yea so they just be saying anything

Making shit up

[fair shale]

Idk

My psyker take is i like FGS

[tall torrent]

Also had someone come in here and tell me FGS without warp slash is good at horde clearing

[fair shale]

Not like

By itself lol

[tall torrent]

And then be proven wrong

Unironically half of FGS’s horde clear is assail lol

[torn root]

kind sir what does the ttk look like without superiority stacks?

[ember nest]

Its not? News to me

[tall torrent]

Like 4 hits?

[ember nest]

Granted I usually use warpslash anyways

[torn root]

so same as fgs with more mobility

[fair shale]

Its not bad at it but it's not great at it either, ignoring warp slash imo

[ember nest]

There is never a reason not to warp slash

[tall torrent]

It’s ~15s vs 50 pox which is like, right on average

[fair shale]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

Warp slash is op

[ember nest]

Oh alr

[fair shale]

Its perfectly normal horde clear ime

[tall torrent]

But it’s not like u do 2-bar slash all the time

[fair shale]

Im not doing intensive testing

[tall torrent]

The weapon itself’s horde clear is very mid

[ember nest]

I just slash when I can since that hit is like infinite cleave or whatever

So like

Why not do it

[tall torrent]

0-bar slash does like 30 damage lol

[ember nest]

If you kill shit with that you fill the bar anyways

So I end up just doing my combo and on the like 2nd cycle start looping war slashes

[torn root]

on fgs i like using the warp slash just to fill peril for the damage

makes 3 shotting crushers easy

3-4 shots depending on havoc levels

[fair shale]

On FGS i use warp slash because

[ember nest]

Does the slash's actual hit do anything specific other than open bullwarks

Like

Hitting with the blade

[torn root]

very much the moonlight great sword

[ember nest]

Does it have lower damage or smth

[void dragon]

I use 0 bar ones to stagger horde and stab the crusher in the face, it's quite neat stagger tool

[torn root]

it does around 2k on crusher heads

[tall torrent]

It does inf cleave and decent damage

[tall torrent]

It’s just a stagger tool

[fair shale]

Idk how I'm supposed to use another weapon on psyker tbh

[void dragon]

Near Vs ragers too

[fair shale]

Zealot chat has literally never given me a straight answer on this so

Is relic blade good

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

High tier1 but not tier0

[fair shale]

So like

Perfectly usable

But not Thammer go Brrrt lol

[ember nest]

Okay so imma keep doing it
Felt like a good idea to weave it into combos and if its not dropping damage or anything then like

Me slash

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think TH was ever meta

[ember nest]

Slashing is a net positive action

[torn root]

yeah i cant get less than 5 hits for a damnation crusher -- probably cause i have nothing for melee

back t the moonlight gs

[tall torrent]

@fair shale this is tier 0

[tall torrent]

I think TH is unironically zealot best dps melee for havoc rn

[orchid hemlock]

U forgot Ogryn shield 😈

[fair shale]

Yeah, the dumb stuff

[torn root]

1 shots all around

[orchid hemlock]

For single target yeah

[ember nest]

Ironhelm or crucius?

[tall torrent]

Crucis

[torn root]

its not bad for horde clear if you go the dash route

[ember nest]

I been- ANOTHER GOOD GUESS

RAAAGH I AM MILDLY COMPETENT

[tall torrent]

It’s ass at mixed horde regardless of what u do with it

[fair shale]

Is it crucis that ever decided to hate immediately or is that IH

[torn root]

its gotten me out of hordes while i was messing about lmao

you can hit 2 guys with the same charges side swipe if they are close enough

[fair shale]

All I remember is one TH mark got thrown to the wayside real earlier

[tall torrent]

Nah just in general
Because zealot mixed horde is not as good as vet / og / arb

[void dragon]

That's why flamer goes brrrr for zealot

[ember nest]

I got a buddy that had a 13 cloud size flamer with like no damage talents

And was wondering why he wasn't doing much to chaff in auric

Unupgraded btw

I like playing games w/ him but sometimes he just do t be thinking abt thesr things

[tall torrent]

Crucis got buffed to have an energized overhead heavy

[fair shale]

I just remember one hammer immediately not being used

[meager echo]

Is it worth to put unarmour and flak on hellbore mark V to one shot bodyshot stray gunner? I still two tap reapers without unyiedling and I don't find myself shooting carapace that much.

[real lintel]

I have what might be a stupid question about Weapon Specialist. The Ranged Specialist stacks 10 times, and it says your next shot hast +33% crit chance per stack. Does that mean one single shot has 330%, or does it give up to 10 shots 33%? I'm sure it's the former, but the latter makes way more sense to my brain :/

[turbid ibex]

former

[real lintel]

Boo 🙁

[turbid ibex]

3 stacks is a guaranteed crit

[real lintel]

Yeah, it just makes the Adept Assassin penance a bit more difficult to get xD

[trim badger]

I love how most of these are there simply because of rending/brittleness

[meager echo]

I've just test hellbore V h40 breakpoint without any additional buff (solo play mod). Unyielding doesn't chance reapers breakpoint 3 charged headshot. Maybe with crit it's 2 shots, but mark V is so fast for it to matter anyway. The unarmoured and flak help one shot bodyshot dreg and flak stray gunners.

[tall torrent]

No?

[spark helm]

I dump mobility. No idea about the other dumps. Check pins for the hammer of the emperor guide. Assuming its updated, a lot of that information for things like differences between marks, dump stats, and setups for perks/blessings is majorly still relevant iirc.

[fresh dome]

The Vigilant Rifle are much better now with the change I think I prefer them over Hellbore to deal with long range targets

[tame lodge]

While also being the "worst designed melee"

😭

[tall torrent]

Yea

It is what it is

[tame lodge]

It's actually pretty funny

[meager echo]

What do you put on blessing and perk.

[faint beacon]

For Havocs or Auric?

[meager echo]

auric

mine is currently like this, but I have no idea what to put on it.

[faint beacon]

Maniac Flak is the combo now

The flak adm nerf hit it hard

If it was Havoc I’d honestly say Maniac Unyielding or Flak Unyielding

But usually Deadly Accurate + Surgical

Agri and Graia share this

Columnus is Deadly Accurate HeadHunter

[meager echo]

thanks i'll try it.

I really like the graia one, but I miss head too often haha

[fresh dome]

This seem good no?

[faint beacon]

You could keep opening salvo youll just have to play slower

[fallen needle]

Feels like I hit a wall on havoc 30

[faint beacon]

An alternate combo is Ghost Opening Salvo but that’s strictly Graia

[distant mural]

Thats normal

[faint beacon]

Idk how it performs now with the changes

[fresh dome]

With Graia Opening Salvo is every shot if you click release each shot

[midnight wyvern]

deadly accurate is poggies for graia as Galeo said

[meager echo]

I think deadly accurate is better, i use salvo because I miss head alot

skill issue moment

[keen sedge]

This was a whole day ago

[spark helm]

I didn't check the timestamp at all lma

[fresh dome]

I'm using Opening Salvo and Ghost so I can just go ham with Executioner's stance

[faint beacon]

Mainly cause of the really good finesse values Vigilants offer

Yeah their recent buff made them pretty good at body damage

But you should always aim for Weakspots with them

[fresh dome]

Ghost make that if you land weakspot gunners, snipers, reaper, plasma gunners deal no damage to you so also they can't stagger you

[meager echo]

That's sound legit tbh.

[fallen needle]

Is it the point where I need to make a group or is it a skill curve thing?

[meager echo]

If you want to win consistent I think you need to fish for good map, don't do hard modifier.

I usually avoid purple and gas map.

[distant mural]

Yea good map with good team

Be patient to have a good team

[fair shale]

Helps when the team compositions around eachother also

[fallen needle]

It isnt even the gas that gets me, its me and the psyker holding off 50 crushers while the other teammates are off searching for the one piece

[meager echo]

Some map is very hard in havoc like the snow map one, it's very hard. Some map is free win like mercantile.

Silo cluster is also very hard begining event.

[little fox]

Someone explain the commissar veteran build to me like I'm 5

[trim badger]

Snow map is just the start and the first event

Everything else is easy

[austere mica]

Yeah gloriana is basically free after mid event

Besides the wave after the lateral shuttle or whatever

[fair shale]

But goddamn that catwalk

[hollow ibex]

Wat build?

[fallen needle]

Mid event i always feel like im doing it wrong because how long it takes

[little fox]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b168315-bc57-4374-a398-cc397ad97b16/loretide-veteran-commissar-bolt-pistol-mk-iv-chainsword

[austere mica]

You have to begin fixing the thingies as soon as they break

[little fox]

It's been recommended to me thrice now

[austere mica]

Like

Within 3 seconds or something dumb

[meager echo]

Refinery Delta-17 is also a nightmare in pubs. Usually I just run straight to the elevator and ignore first room. If your team fight in the first, it's very like to wipe.

[fallen needle]

Yeah I always get there and mid fix its like "try again"

[hollow ibex]

Oh this build was made on the old tree and wasn’t updated lol

So the tree is bugged

And has random talents selected

[little fox]

Well I've been told to "try the commissar build" three times now, idfk I was hoping someone in here had a clue

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[hollow ibex]

It’s a larp build that isn’t particularly strong anyways

[little fox]

Okie dokie, I'm going back to my stealth shotgun build then

[fallen needle]

Weapon specialist?

[atomic void]

larp builds best builds

[little fox]

Yeah it's a bad build, but build stacks, go invisible, nuke anything with the shotgun

Is fun

[drowsy goblet]

what do u guys think about shock maul?

[hollow ibex]

I don’t

[austere mica]

Its special breaks captain shields really fast
It has skullcrusher

That's it

[drowsy goblet]

aight fair enuff

its just that i never seen it once mentioned before

[little fox]

It's a lesser thammer

[austere mica]

Its the definition of mid

Its not good

Its not bad

Its just

There

[drowsy goblet]

veteran dosent havver thammer dosent he

[drowsy goblet]

imma probably use it instead of the chainsword i was using\

[little fox]

No god I wish

[atomic void]

its a weapon

[fresh dome]

I've put 25% Unyielding as it's one of it's lowest far range damage, carapace armor would be dealt with Kraks

[hollow ibex]

FYI weak spot damage is really bad

Never take it

[fresh dome]

So I put Unarmoured as it's best damage or I put Flak armour or Maniac as they are 3-4 worst damage

[hollow ibex]

Flak Unyielding prob

And you really want surgical

[grand perch]

flak unyield or flak + maniac

surgical + ghost or surgical + deadly accurate

[little fox]

At what point does playing veteran just turn into a serious sam game

[deep bone]

Honestly reading more about them the Savlar Chemdogs are kinda dope

[fair shale]

They're one of my favorite regis tbh

[deep bone]

I want them to bring back their gear

[solemn niche]

love the pose of this chaos spawn lol (found on reddit)

[tame lodge]

Savlar Chem Addicted Dogs

[pseudo fiber]

i fewed up

[woven cove]

Why is it doing that?

Why is it not attached to the loop thingy?

Also happens to the mean green shovel, but not the cool blue one.

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/23mlt4jxG-o?feature=share
would savlar chem dogs be immune to cutthroats cultivated stink?

thats the real discussion we need to have

[tame lodge]

Fym " finally " and " cultivating"

😭

[grand perch]

a good campaign stink doesnt grow overnight!

nurgle adjacent behaviour? surely not

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ldb0Hnv9lB1kIo8qU?invite=cr-MSxXbGMsMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=16

[sudden cedar]

@faint beacon Turns out, yes, he did drink from it again.

Always knew it. Priest's a sozzle-wit!

[formal ice]

Check this shit out

It will blow up your mind

[woven cove]

Foolish skaven, you're not supposed to have two shiny thing-things on your weapon!

[formal ice]

Also it stays like this in game

[formal ice]

Wrong.

We don't call theses ugly things of thing-things

Like

This is the most stupid try of speaking like a skaven I ever seem

Do better

Loser

[mortal aspen]

trinket-bauble

[formal ice]

Cross-skully

[woven cove]

I am racist to rats, sorry.

[frank basin]

You are possum I think you’re close to rat

[woven cove]

I am no longer racist to rats.

[frank basin]

Yeah you got rat in your dna

As possum

[serene bough]

lovely interaction

[meager echo]

why quick play suddenly flood with this mission

[midnight wyvern]

xp farm

[calm shard]

new update new players, doing story missions

bonus fun fact about story missions

they are all low intensity modifiers

[midnight wyvern]

no daemonhosts either

[meager echo]

It's too short and no mobs to fight...

[faint beacon]

:(

[midnight wyvern]

there should really be one in a mission to introduce players to it, with voicelines about avoiding it from morrow or something

[faint beacon]

Explains why it’s so fucking boring playing them

[meager echo]

The whole map is just running to the elevator.

[hybrid plover]

Welcome to elo hell

[midnight wyvern]

just win

[faint beacon]

You either sit at 25 or manage to climb to 40

[sharp epoch]

only 12 losses last night 😤

[faint beacon]

That is simply the 25+ gameplay loop

[azure narwhal]

A microdose of what league feels like and players already crack

[midnight wyvern]

or you sit at 35 because you don't play with a consistent team lol

couldn't be me

[hybrid plover]

I'll be real, my clearance got cut down to 30 with the reset and I'm not even bothering to try and do my own assignment because I cannot trust the randoms anymore after losing 6 times in a row for the stupidest of reasons.

[meager echo]

I don't bother playing league and dota 2 anymore. If I win I feel relief not joy, If I lose I feel like dogshit.

[sharp epoch]

also all the new modifiers destroy vet so it's not looking good

[midnight wyvern]

Im gonna lose it if another easiest in the world pox burster to push just waltz in behind me into my 3 numpties and just explodes for free

actually gonna crash out people are so dumb

where is the self preservation

[meager echo]

I can't play pvp game, losing make me feels bad too much.

[midnight wyvern]

I was very good at a pvp game, I think ive played it enough lol

[sharp epoch]

i play valorant you just need another mindset, ranked is just a regular match

[serene bough]

never liked pvp

[hybrid plover]

I play vet and I was doing fine.

The teammates I was getting though?

[meager echo]

If you winning then it's fun, In my case I'm losing more than I'm winning so...

[hybrid plover]

Why a psyker would push upwards on one of the bridges in Silo Cluster when a chaos spawn is coming and everyone is saying to pull back is beyond me

[sharp epoch]

Idk one contaminated stims ragers can f you up

[midnight wyvern]

they're gonna solo the map you see

you wouldn't get it

[hybrid plover]

Just gotta be extra careful.

Or not play with a teammate with shroudfield

[fallen needle]

Idk i dont think im that bad. But when my teammates break contact and leave me with the conga line of bulwarks, im liable to get rocked

[midnight wyvern]

no im just fucking with you

people being dumb is out of your control

[hybrid plover]

Truly, your teammates are the difficulty modifier when it comes to Havoc

[meager echo]

The game is not balance well tbh. Unless you are so good at the game, you have to do tedious stuff to win like fish for good map, check people loadout or picky when it come to teammates.

[midnight wyvern]

people refuse to communicate, both before and in the match so you're just running whatever half the time, nobody says they're going anywhere so people can be slow on dropdowns which can get people killed, too much resource dump on things that don't need it and never playing around the anchor is

[hybrid plover]

One of the easiest runs I've had in havoc, was in fact the run where I got true survivor, which was a 40 because the team clicked and synergized so well that everything that could be an issue just wasnt.

[sharp epoch]

I think thats the point of havoc 40, the highest difficulty in the game, it's fine for it to be like that

[hybrid plover]

Everyone played their role and also knew how to branch out of said role to help one another.

And that's not synergy you see in random games very often.

There wasn't even a moment where we were out of coherency i think

[sharp epoch]

my premade is an arb that runs away from team, shroudfield zealot, and staff psyker

[meager echo]

I agree with you. But player should not have to earn the right to play (off meta loadout, low true level, no title). The demote system has to go, it's create an un-fun environment.

[hybrid plover]

It's okay for it to be hard. Not for it to feel like a waste of time.

And demotion makes it feel like just that.

[midnight wyvern]

I think all it needs is more tries tbh

3 is rough to figure out comps with if your randoms are putting in that effort, if not you're just fucked lol

[hybrid plover]

So that the constant dcs will just chew through them anyway?

[fallen needle]

Nah it just sucks when im the dude rescuing the havoc 40s and its like "my dog, I started playing this week. Its not supposed to go like this"

[midnight wyvern]

you plan for when the game isn't shit, you don't design a system built for long term around a current problem

increasing attempts helps with it, it would probably make it too easy on better teams but thats not who you want to design it for either

[hybrid plover]

My thing is

Who actually wants demotion in this game mode?

What does it actually accomplish?

[midnight wyvern]

why not have risk?

[tropic notch]

I wanna mooch off of a 40

Guh

Me soooo lazy

I don’t wanna climb

[hybrid plover]

The risk is spending possibly 40 minutes of your day only to get your shit kicked in and not be rewarded for it.

[meager echo]

High stake lead to higher high but also lower low. It's a double edge sword design.

[orchid hemlock]

Heh let me introduce you to

[meager echo]

But we have too many problems for high stake to work in havoc, poor balancing, unstable sever.

[hybrid plover]

But at the very least, it wouldn't be a waste of time that just feels disheartening.

[orchid hemlock]

Every professional game ever

And yet look at the money rolling in

Society 😞

[tropic notch]

I believe you should clear an auric male without taking more than 300 to be eligible for havoc

[azure narwhal]

This is but a fraction of LoL frustration

Dota is slightly better

[serene bough]

its fine imo

my bigger complaint is there's no incentive to play 40 after getting achieve

[orchid hemlock]

What if just what if

Wait guys I got an idea

What if professional level competition shouldn't be managed by companies

[hybrid plover]

The incentive, is being able to just play it normally like another difficulty.

[orchid hemlock]

🤯

[hybrid plover]

One of the main reason I actually want to get to 40 is because I just want to have the freedom to play 40s if I want to.

[meager echo]

Exactly man, It's just too much at 40. Around 20 to 30 is just right.

[obtuse raft]

I'm convinced someone high in FS is just absolutely obsessed with engagement metrics and doesn't understand how to come by it honestly. The old crafting that forced you to farm and roll forever just to try one new mark of one new weapon, deranks, absurdly grindy penances.

[red portal]

Am I weird for thinking the challange of 40 is part of the fun.

[midnight wyvern]

no

[meager echo]

It's totally reasonable.

[hybrid plover]

Don't get me wrong. I might not do it all the time but there are some days where I really do want the full on Fatshark grade CBT fiasco that 40 can be.

[orchid hemlock]

Put demotion for the entire game

Can't play Aurics if you didn't kill more than 10 specialists per game 😈

[vale cloak]

Oops, all healers
and guess what
they're all bulwarks

[azure narwhal]

I woould not have any motivation to play havoc if it weren't what it is tbh

But then again, i god damn love torturous video games

[obtuse raft]

Ok maybe a little gatekeeping

[tropic notch]

“We’ve stopped orgy spam”

[obtuse raft]

We can have a lil

[midnight wyvern]

I enjoy actually having to try or even actually need to improve with things to do well in havoc, I don't mind the rankups or demotions I just think it should be less weighted on your allies being goobers

[tropic notch]

[red portal]

I just wish demotions weren't a thing for not playing a week

[silver patrol]

welcome to live service

[meager echo]

Havoc should have better match-making system to get more players to play. If that happens, we have enough populations to play with like minded teammates.

[orchid hemlock]

Yes I Sam the gatekeeper

You will kill specialists

You will take less than 500 damage

You will deal damage equivalent to at least 1/4 of the total team

You will not pick up more than 8 large ammo bags

Or you won't play with me 😈

[hollow ibex]

Even 8 large ammo bags is pretty insane lol

[red portal]

Playing ogryn and running health curios can now keep you from playing higher difficulties without going down once.

[mortal aspen]

it should just have optional quickplay

[hollow ibex]

If someone took 4 I’d probably start giving them side eye

[orchid hemlock]

The rule still stands

I am the law

[red portal]

I usually take 1 large ammo and 1 or 2 small tins in the average auric game.

[tropic notch]

I played with Celine and took like 800 damage due to someone aggro’ed a dh then left and I clutched 3 times

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1423383952936145038/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_10_2_2025_1_58_20_PM.png?ex=68e01d1b&is=68decb9b&hm=e3fe01d8e1ecb79d3473f3274f932d0cdebf80e3d8d070cafcf164b3017acff2&

Was monster special

[red portal]

Breaking a million damage in auric is crazy

[tropic notch]

Played terribly

[tropic notch]

I do that regularly now

[midnight wyvern]

yeah I did that in old auric

lol

[orchid hemlock]

Did you deal more than 1/2 of the total teams damage, then the other rules are ignored

[midnight wyvern]

people playing with 1 functional foot

[red portal]

Like I have done it but you have to go pretty slow to do it

[red portal]

He only did 1/3rd

[orchid hemlock]

Then not valid go to jail

[red portal]

Still that is pretty insane

[tropic notch]

Yeah having a surprise dh and new players pushing bursters into sucked but it’s whatever lol

[midnight wyvern]

should've just killed the dh

[red portal]

Aggroing a demonhost then leaving the game is the worst thing you can do to your team

And should be punished by having to play non staff psyker in havoc 40 10 times in a row.

[meager echo]

Stop giving me idea.

[tropic notch]

i soloed it lol

[red portal]

What weapon were you using?

[tropic notch]

have i wanna do it again

[tropic notch]

tac axe crit zealot with bolter

[vale cloak]

Cant tell you how many times lately ive had people see a pack of bursters, start mag dumping and charge directly into them at the same time, then wonder why they get obliterated lmao

[red portal]

Nice

[tropic notch]

[red portal]

I need to play more zealot but I'm having too much fun with powersword vet atm

I have ledged multiple demonhosts in havoc with shout and krak

So much fun

[tropic notch]

im about to love krak with how i hear about rotten armorer

[red portal]

Just spamming kraks into crusher hordes is so satisfying

Double vet is definitely havoc viable

[meager echo]

People on my sv using grenade gaunlet to counter that mod, just spam special to stun lock pack of crushers.

[midnight wyvern]

yeah meta slave build with another vet running either the same thing or something else works great

had no problems running my bossing build with another vet in place of a zealot

[meager echo]

that's diabolical.

[red portal]

I'm running something like this into havoc 40 with revolver powersword.

[mortal aspen]

what the sigmar

[red portal]

Lol

[meager echo]

I tried zanora, i think it has ammo problems.

[midnight wyvern]

what ive been running

does funny things

[red portal]

Zarona has ok ammo economy from my experience but you use it as a secondary not a primary.

[meager echo]

yeah. I feel much better using hellbore instead.

[red portal]

Also don't shoot carapace with it not worth

[midnight wyvern]

shoot rotten armour with it

big worth

[red portal]

Like even if you could have 100 rending with hand Cannon crushers have too much HP now

[midnight wyvern]

deadly accurate on revolver when

[meager echo]

I think the ammo reserve is too little, it hurt the suvivalist ammo gain.

[red portal]

I've gone havoc games only picking up a few small ammo on it.

It's definitely viable

On vet

[midnight wyvern]

its wrong but I don't think anyone cares

[red portal]

Zealot I would not use revolver tbh

[meager echo]

The gun I like the most in havoc that's not plasma gun is hellbore. Ammo eco is so nice that I have enough to shoot stray gunners.

[midnight wyvern]

Bolter

[meager echo]

I haven't tried that one in havoc. What should i put on it? Pinning fire and the bleed one ?

[red portal]

Puncture brittleness or puncture calvacade depending what you're gonna use it on

[tepid otter]

Yass

Oh, I have pinning and puncture on it

[red portal]

Pinning fire is more for shooting into hordes of enemies but I don't find myself doing that alot

[meager echo]

what is the different. I'm not familiar with that gun.

[tepid otter]

I think pinning with the new mark works well, imo

[red portal]

Calvacade gives you more dps on bosses, and brittleness you use against armor

[red portal]

Not used the new mark

[midnight wyvern]

I use puncture/shrimp

[red portal]

It has worse ammo reserves and direct damage.

[midnight wyvern]

pinning is good if you're using it on everything other than bosses

[tepid otter]

I like it for the Collateral

[red portal]

Fair enough but for horde clear there are just better weapons than bolter imo

[tepid otter]

shooting at elites during hordes just clears off the smaller ones, so i find it useful that way

[meager echo]

I tried mag dump that gun to open bulwark in auric. Sometimes it work, sometimes it doesn't. If have no idea why lol.

[red portal]

Especially in havoc

[red portal]

The damage still passes through even if you don't open it and you gotta aim for head still

[tepid otter]

I usually just shoot Bulwark onces to open them up with the bolter

[midnight wyvern]

you dont

[tepid otter]

Yeah, usually the second shot is enough when they got the shield down if you aim for headshot, at least for me it is

given i dont miss

[meager echo]

that gun is so sastisfying to use

[red portal]

I haven't used bolter much though

[tepid otter]

If there was a stat that shows which ones ive used the most, it'll be boltgun for me

[red portal]

I'm a power sword user which means I want to be mobile with my secondary

[midnight wyvern]

just full tank it and use PS into bolter

[red portal]

But but... My dodges

[midnight wyvern]

its okay

they don't exist anymore

[red portal]

And running...

[midnight wyvern]

no no

stand and fight

[red portal]

You're just a turret

[midnight wyvern]

a very damaging turret thankyou

[tepid otter]

they cant hurt you if they cant reach you

[midnight wyvern]

exactly

[red portal]

Only works for as long as your ammo reserves last

[midnight wyvern]

I'd like to replace the PS with something but I just don't know what with while staying useful in melee lol

[red portal]

Oh yeah catmiral im coming home tomorrow if you want to do the born leader meme build

[midnight wyvern]

I usually get the most melee kills in my runs, no doubt thanks to PS being PS

[tepid otter]

tbh i dont magdump much on the new bolter, i find myself a bit more accurate with it compared to the og variant for some reason

most things die in 4 shots or so

[meager echo]

After using PS, i don't even want to play other class tbh.

[tepid otter]

unless its monstrosities

[red portal]

I really don't know what melee to run outside of tac axe and ps on vet

[hollow ibex]

The recoil isn’t bugged so yeah

[tepid otter]

oh, theres a bug with the recoil?

[hollow ibex]

Caxe knife

Falch is usable

[midnight wyvern]

[meager echo]

Is it just me or the bolter ADS is easier to aim than the bolt pistol.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s way more jerky than it should be

[midnight wyvern]

bolter and bolt pistol recoil has been fucking dogshit for the longest time

[meager echo]

the pistol has like crazy recoil.

[red portal]

Falch feels more like a hellbore backup weapon than anything else tbh

[tepid otter]

really?

[midnight wyvern]

its not even that it has alot of recoil

it fucking teleports

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I use it as a shooter build sidearm

[meager echo]

and I thought I was crazy

[tepid otter]

average smaul enjoyer

[midnight wyvern]

it doesn't like doing it in psyk as much as normal games so I assume its a ping thing as well as just pure jank

my guess is the animation for recentering is longer than the auto reset for centering

so its in the middle of swinging back to center before it just teleports

[serene bough]

Meh

Im all for playing the game just for the fun of it but it would be nice to have a H40 penance to grind for really nice looking cosmetics

[tepid otter]

Theres that helmet that I kinda want, but you gotta assist 50 players with their havoc missions

Ive helped 7 people according to the penance

[midnight wyvern]

go get it

[tepid otter]

im tryiiin

[meager echo]

at least it's doable. I want the cosmetic in mortis trial... No one play that, ever.

[midnight wyvern]

thats a lie

the bots play it

[meager echo]

the pain is real

after 5 runs, I got burn out.

It's way too slow.

[orchid hemlock]

Do Aurics

Trust me 😈

[meager echo]

I should have play the mode when it first came out. Now no one play it...

[orchid hemlock]

They are all doing the auric penance that's why

[meager echo]

ok, i will try it later. Hopefully I'll run into randoms.

[tepid otter]

Theres the Auric Titles

I actually got Overwatch on auric just yesterday, i was surprised I hadnt taken any melee dmg during the whole thing

[mortal aspen]

it's not that hard, it has to be health damage, can take all the toughness hits you want

that's basically how you should always perform ideally

[tepid otter]

I got swarmed at the end so I thought I at least took some melee dmg

still tho, 7.6% of players have it, I was like surprised

[midnight wyvern]

its not melee damage chief

is just health

[mortal aspen]

it's melee health damage, isn't it?

[midnight wyvern]

also gold does wonders for the penance

[tepid otter]

ye ye, it is

i saw my toughness break and took hp dmg i meant, but maybe it was just the ranged enemies

[midnight wyvern]

just eat shit to all the ranged enemies

lmao thats dumb, maybe easiest way to do it is mostly ranged maelstrom

I did it accidentally in some auric HISTG anyway but still

[tepid otter]

trying to get auric storm survivor next

here we go again

[midnight wyvern]

last time I was at 4 I got griefed by someone I went into it to do it with

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mitosis-gif-5938797153464928683

[tepid otter]

Im at 3 right now , and im just trying to lock it everytime

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[midnight wyvern]

I wonder if you can do it with uh

many more try

[livid sphinx]

Man, I wanna play havoc 23+ but using the shout is so boring

[midnight wyvern]

play a dif class

[tepid otter]

try another skill

Exec is pretty good rn imo

[midnight wyvern]

if you take infiltrate don't be surprised if people yeet you

[livid sphinx]

I mean I love playing vet with executioner

[tepid otter]

Real

[livid sphinx]

but everytime people just tell me to go shout in havoc

[midnight wyvern]

I wonder why that is

[tepid otter]

Prolly more stable

Since I guess you kinda need to kill enemies to get the toughness going

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[livid sphinx]

Its really good but like i've been playing shout ever since it became a thing

Its only this patch where executioner seems actually viable

[midnight wyvern]

exe stance needs to be played around or you need to be very good, if you're playing 23s and being told to play shout, I would assume you're not at goat stage with ES

lol

Shout is safety for everyone

[livid sphinx]

Maybe vet really is just a support class in havocs

[midnight wyvern]

use LFGs to make a team that knows you'll be running ES I'd say is probably the best way to be able to use ES

can just run 2 vets lol

[midnight wyvern]

[tepid otter]

Wish they kinda made that other talent node for Exec stance that is shared thru allies, and it counts as kills for you also during it

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[tepid otter]

Idk, I mean someone mentioned here that its kinda like shooting yourself in the foot if you have that node

since youre kinda competing for kills now at that point

[midnight wyvern]

unless lights out/vent purge

[tepid otter]

I think its a usefull node tho, sharing the wall hack vision or something

[livid sphinx]

i sometimes dont want to use that other node for exec because people just shoot whatever is highlighted even though its a fucking daemonhost

[tepid otter]

lmao, be like that

[midnight wyvern]

easy kill

[livid sphinx]

I have to say though this patch really made the left side of the tree much more fun

way more enjoyable than the usual shout into weapon specialist

[midnight wyvern]

just shout into FT

[livid sphinx]

me so lazy to tag every elite

me so monkey

[tepid otter]

le dmg is good tho

[midnight wyvern]

nuh uh

[tepid otter]

yuh uh

[livid sphinx]

I wish they rework it and lessen the apm requirements

that's the reason why people spam tagging cuz they binded it on their left click🤦‍♂️

[midnight wyvern]

make it distrupt destiny 2 electric boogaloo

[sudden cedar]

@livid sphinx And its annoying as fuck

[tepid otter]

did meet an arbite that just spam tagged every elite encounter

the sound prompt it does just made me take off my headphones lmao

idk why people do that

[livid sphinx]

I feel like the best way to do it is just to make the tag automatically jump once the target it killed

with prioritization

[sudden cedar]

Because of the dog

[tepid otter]

But dont you only need to tag it twice

this guy just spammed tag on it

like dear god

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mitosis-gif-5938797153464928683

[sudden cedar]

Yes you do, if you selected that option

[midnight wyvern]

you'd still have people pinging shit just as often to get it to go on things they want it on

[tepid otter]

so you actually have to keep tagging one enemy for the dog to jump it if you dont have that?

Havent played as an arbi yet

[sudden cedar]

You have normal tag and double tag

Normal tag is just tagging stuff.

Double tag tells the dog to attack that target specifically.

You can change it to single tag

So it does both.

[livid sphinx]

I mean most arbys nowadays just run lone wolf

at least in havoc

[sudden cedar]

But that means your dog will aggro stuff you might not want to do.

[tepid otter]

only ever met that one arbite that just spams it tho, and that was a day ago

[midnight wyvern]

had an ogryn in havoc earlier that spam pinged every enemy and walked up to every barrel and was meleeing them

[tepid otter]

[sudden cedar]

I am all for people having fun.

[tepid otter]

hes doing his best

[sudden cedar]

But there is a threshold some should not cross

[livid sphinx]

[sudden cedar]

Because it ruins the game for everyone else

[livid sphinx]

like infiltrate vets

[sudden cedar]

Let infiltrate vets be infiltrate vets

[tepid otter]

i mean so far, most randos ive played with doesnt do spam tags

[livid sphinx]

Even infiltrate vets know infiltrate is just dog

[midnight wyvern]

wasting other peoples time when you have the option not to

[tepid otter]

except that one guy i mentioned

god rest his soul

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-tony-stark-tony-stark-meme-iron-man-meme-gif-25013071

[livid sphinx]

I feel like the only times people actually use infiltrate is for that penance

[midnight wyvern]

jokes on you I dont even have the penance

[livid sphinx]

[tepid otter]

same honestly lmao

[livid sphinx]

I only have 1 penance left for vet and its the krak grenade one

[tepid otter]

the smoke one either

people say its okay now but i still dont like it

[livid sphinx]

Maybe i'll grind it out this week

[midnight wyvern]

smoke is really easy to finish lol

did it like, day 1-2 of the rework since i was actually using smokes

[tepid otter]

yeah i but i like having ones that just actually kill things

[livid sphinx]

Smoke is like a pseudo bubble especially now with the plasma mfs

Really useful if you dont have a psyker

[midnight wyvern]

plasmas aren't really even a problem anymore

[tepid otter]

got nerfed

[hybrid plover]

Or the team themselves isn't comfortable with having an ability that can end up being even more beneficial than shout down the line because they still think shout is a get out of jail free card that can be spammed.

[livid sphinx]

I mean against ranged guys in general

To be fair, shout is like one of the few panic buttons in the game

[hybrid plover]

A lot of people don't realize how much the tac awareness nerf genuinely hurt shout's uptime.

[midnight wyvern]

I mean I guess but its still very very good

just means you don't have permanent gold now lol

and I'd take a shout vet 99/100 times over an exe vet

I have no trust for people running off meta shit because they suck even with meta shit

[livid sphinx]

Yeah the nerf really hurted the shout but shout is just broken beyond all reason

[hybrid plover]

Yes. It is. But I genuinely think, a good ES player can provide more than a good shout player with the right setups

[livid sphinx]

Like the whole set up of the shout is just broken and needs to be reworked

[midnight wyvern]

that I disagree with lol

[hybrid plover]

Virtually permanent regenerating toughness with born leader is no joke.

[midnight wyvern]

shout is fine, its a CC tool, golden toughness is the problem

[livid sphinx]

Yeah maybe the golden toughness is the one that needs a rework

[hollow ibex]

Just don’t take duty and honor

Simple

[midnight wyvern]

take revive node

[livid sphinx]

[midnight wyvern]

I still need to run a shout setup to see how viable it is spamming people back up into gold

lol

[livid sphinx]

Oh you're gonna really feel the Tact awareness nerf

[midnight wyvern]

what

[hollow ibex]

Revive node is actually so ass lol

I’d just take VOC

By itself

[hybrid plover]

When I was playing ES and people asked me to use shout, there were times i could actively tell, a situation happened that I could have genuinely prevented by having ES.

[hollow ibex]

Over taking revive mode

[midnight wyvern]

I'd put money on the opposite also being true

dif abilities for different situations

whodathunk

[livid sphinx]

same. Like seeing snipers and plasmas from a mile away would have saved my team

[hybrid plover]

Because information is one of the most powerful things in this game and being able to perceive that something is about to go wrong so I can take care of it before it happens is so valuable.

It's why Execution Order is so strong. And ES is just that on steroids basically.

[tepid otter]

what class comp do people usually run in havocs anyway

[livid sphinx]

Right now im actually running plasma with marksmaship focus. Its just so fun now

[tepid otter]

id imagine its easier having an ogryn and a psyker around

[livid sphinx]

People want that juicy juicy psyker and ogryn

[tepid otter]

what about the other 2 slots then, it can be anything?

[livid sphinx]

vets are in their last priority

[tepid otter]

run double vet

oh

[fair shale]

It's not the class it's the player, but Og and Psyker are normally quick accepts ime

[livid sphinx]

zealots do a shit ton of damage

[tepid otter]

Well id imagine, since they got really good kits

[midnight wyvern]

no lol

some of the highest atm

double vet is very viable

[livid sphinx]

like I swear everytime I try to join a havoc group i barely get accepted

[tepid otter]

like havoc 40s?

[livid sphinx]

Cuz even me when I try to run havoc, I prefer accepting psykers ogryns and zealots

[tepid otter]

noice

[livid sphinx]

I've never been to 40s

[tepid otter]

have one with just exec and shout then

[midnight wyvern]

having picky people in havoc 20s is wild

[midnight wyvern]

yea pretty much

[tepid otter]

I still avoid havoc 40's since im still like raitng 17 lmao

[livid sphinx]

20s is where it really starts

[tepid otter]

To be fair I rarely see people do 20s where im at

Its always at 40 or 30

theres some rare ones that just do low Havocs

[midnight wyvern]

20s is whatever, only just hits damnation scaling

[fair shale]

I havent seen a lobby below 27 in awhile tbh, might just be time of day

[midnight wyvern]

30s is the bigger jump

[livid sphinx]

Its cuz people who reach 20s are actual sweat lords and try to get to 30+ asap

[midnight wyvern]

below 20s is sad

[tepid otter]

Id like to experience it at least a few times

it lowkey looks kinda fun lmao

[midnight wyvern]

join @steep flower ez carry

[livid sphinx]

Oh you're in for a treat

My biggest problem is that I play in asian servers so communication is non-existent

[tepid otter]

eyyy

nah we dont need that shit

[midnight wyvern]

square chat text goes in the circle hole

[tepid otter]

real

and the first thing i did is just turn off voice chat honestly lmao

[midnight wyvern]

im on a mix of APS and APC

depends how my internet is feeling if I can do HK but I don't love it

lol

[livid sphinx]

I remember there was a time where all I see are squares in the chat then I said english

Then the chinese guy was spamming for me to get smoke

[midnight wyvern]

mostly APS if I can help it though

[tepid otter]

whats APS and APC

[midnight wyvern]

asia pacific south and asia pacific central

APS is OCE

[tepid otter]

Oh, how do you actually check that in game