veteran-class

[honest quiver]

i'm not going to answer that question because it would probably cause an issue

[sudden cedar]

You have already crossed that line.

[honest quiver]

this chat seems very conflict-driven

your honor, i am simply a baby

[void dragon]

welcome to internet

[honest quiver]

would you welcome someone to your home if they have already been living there for 20 years

god damn it what do i drop for this stupid ass shock trooper talent

[meager echo]

The more I use hellbore, the more I like it. The new 50% swap speed node make the gun much easier to use. I take back my words about hellbore being backline dedicated weapon, I clearly had no idea what I'm talking about .

[honest quiver]

i just made friends with tunnel vision i don't want to lose him already

[void dragon]

why not? specially if i didnt welcome them properly since they didnt saw the horrrors of me family

[honest quiver]

the only viable option i see is to drop trench fighter drill and serrated blade

which picks up field improv and shock trooper

ughghghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[meager echo]

I've never been this glad to be wrong about something. Hellbore is insane.

[deep bone]

It is good

[void dragon]

really a solid long range weapon

[deep bone]

I usually run Infantry Las or Vigi Autogun

[slow spade]

to be fair, the swap node buff is pretty recnet

it's better now that Exec stance got buffed to be even stronger

(I'm still sad it's still weaker than it used to be)

[deep bone]

Tbf old exe stance was a menace

[honest quiver]

ugh and i had to drop TDR for stamina regen boost

[meager echo]

The gun is so strong that I 2 taps reapers with the fastest charge one, without any buff.

[honest quiver]

stupid sexy shock trooper

[deep bone]

So I get why they didn’t absolutely buff

[slow spade]

it was MY crutch and I'm a cripple

[honest quiver]

there https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0029988-54e1-4fe6-abb8-34248d5fedb3/kriegsman-enjoyer-exec-stance-version

i am happy to accept input 🙇

[void dragon]

my one concern is that shovel mk, the mk1 imo is better, that particular iirc has DS levels of Horde clear while in single target being kinda dangerous

[honest quiver]

ah!!! fuck!!! you might be right i totally forgot to test the different marks lol

[void dragon]

it can hit hard, but you ahve a sniper rifle already

[honest quiver]

i knew there was something i was forgetting

the game's kinda busted right now so i'll have to wait

[mortal aspen]

what's the point of the stamina restore subnode on MMF without Deadshot?

[honest quiver]

you already know

i don't want to talk about it

my trauma

i carry it with me

[mortal aspen]

ig toughness replenishment is pretty good too

[void dragon]

does it trigger from melee weakspot kills? could be cool pair with the Taxe

[honest quiver]

i had to take that subnode in order to get

that talent

you know that one

[mortal aspen]

yeah, it probably does

good point

[honest quiver]

oh you're talking about tunnel vision

[deep bone]

Is dead shot worth using now?

[honest quiver]

yes purely toughness regen

[void dragon]

will use that on my full on headhunter mk4 build, so ican escape the rager horde that will come to eat me

[hollow ibex]

Pretty niche

[honest quiver]

i used tunnel vision in place of o4b

[deep bone]

Dope

[hollow ibex]

Still not great

[hollow ibex]

Sorry see the edit lol

[deep bone]

lol

I see it now

[void dragon]

depends, i have used it succesfuly on some Laspistol if you have good stamina regen

[deep bone]

I was gonna try it on Vigi Autogun

[void dragon]

from FT subnode or the WS stamina regen

[deep bone]

Just to see

[hollow ibex]

Yah those are important if you run it

[hollow ibex]

Honestly not a great candidate for deadshot because it gets the good version of surgical

[deep bone]

True true

What should I run on Vigilant Autogun

I use the Graia one cause I prefer the single shot

I am currently using Surgical and something else can’t remember what lol

[meager echo]

openning savo ?

i belive it's always active 20% dmg

[old cobalt]

im reading the patch notes and im fucking sorry

Plasma gunners had WALL PEN prenerf?

[hollow ibex]

I run surgical DA on Graia personally

[old cobalt]

PARDON?

[deep bone]

I’m gonna get on Darktide just to look at my character then immediately get on Helldivers

[mortal aspen]

Hellpreggers

[deep bone]

[little fox]

I'm still mad at Arrowhead nerfing the crossbow like a week after it dropped. I know it's fixed now but I'm a petty bitch

[lusty sapphire]

Good luck with your computer not imploding.

The performance just kept going down since a few updates ago

[spark helm]

You're more honest than most tbh

[little fox]

The game is so good now, but it's performance is what keeps me away

[fair shale]

I uninstalled that mf and won't reinstall it till the pc game isnt 141 gbs of repeating devastator chest textures

[little fox]

They need to remake it in a new engine, why you would make such an ambitious game in an unsupported engine is beyond me

[spark helm]

Only thing I did that managed to help me out was rolling back my graphic driver. Same issue I had with progressing frame rate drops in darktide after a few minutes of opening the game, regardless of what I was doing in it.

That 140+ gb file got the game on very thin ice for me. Depending on the next wave of performance problems should they arrive in the way it can, I'll just uninstall it and wait.

[mortal aspen]

UE5 Darktide 2

[little fox]

Developers are so lazy nowadays

[deep bone]

Anyone able to send me a Recon Las Exe stance build?

[little fox]

Or dumb in this case. They worked too hard to make an unsupported engine work for their game

[spark helm]

Wouldn't know anything about that so no clue. Might be worth actually learning about from a game dev perspective in the first place and how things are dumped on them to do things.

[fair shale]

I kinda stopped having fun in it cause almost none of the game presented me with a challenge anymore and then I saw the file size and went "i can play something else" to be totally honest

[little fox]

The games engine was abandoned by its creators in 2018, Arrowhead is essentially doing magic, but the magic is all just bandaids and wd40

[spark helm]

It's very easy for people on the internet to criticize labor they have zero parts in. I wouldn't know why that decision was made so I got no thoughts on it yet.

Plenty of weird shit that game devs get tasked with on top of having to work in an industry that routinely practices setting people up for failure.

[little fox]

It's not a criticism on their hard work. It's just never a good idea to make a new game on an engine that will never be updated. It's what they had at the time so I respect it. But they've gone from 20 devs to like 120, so they have the manpower to convert the game over into a new engine. That would help aloooot of the optimization and compression issues

[hearty panther]

They were already four years into development and they had probably tens of thousands of collective hours of experience on Autodesk Stingray so they forged ahead. But feature creep will feature creep and suddenly it was ten years to release instead of five.

[honest quiver]

armchair game devs are awesome

my pizza is done yay!!!!

[obtuse raft]

Same engine as this game btw

[little fox]

This game also was ass for a long time, the difference here is some of the fat shark devs also helped work on and develop said engine

[heavy rover]

Looks good to me. Last thing I recommend is swapping maniac and flak on the helbore to carapace and unyielding. The moment you get even one stack of marksman focus running you can one shot gunners and maniacs without issue

[little fox]

Just civil discourse, at the end of the day we're all children of the god emperor

[honest quiver]

who is fictional

[spark helm]

As I understand it, up and overhauling an entire engine doesn't exactly mean that everything is going to be guaranteed to be an exclusively smooth change. That's still tons of labor needed for people to be familiar, any new people coming in that will still need to understand how the team they're with are going to work with it, etc.

I'm not really sure how much a panacea engine swaps are in some people's minds ig.

[honest quiver]

it's easier saying things that sound like good, simple ideas

[deep bone]

Yo I need a good build for Recon Las and Exe stance can someone help

[honest quiver]

even though this one is not!!! at all!!!!

[spark helm]

What mark are you considering?

[deep bone]

Mark XII

[little fox]

I never once said it was easy nor simple, I just think if they wanna keep the game going for a long time like they've expressed it'd be crucial to try and fix the performance issues. But then again they might be able to figure out another solution

But like you've all said, time, labor etc. I just think the game is flawed and needs some massive love and care

[spark helm]

It kind of seems like they're just juggling whatever is already on their agenda with what they're pushing out while still catching up with keeping things stable on top of making deadlines for releases that are going to be part of financing the game in the first place. Wouldn't know, never been a back end dev and that's nowhere near my wheelhouse. Can always just learn more about them and game dev more critically ig.

Hopefully they're able to actually get to a point where they able to more persistently focus on doing whatever they gotta do to mitigate/prevent some of these issues. It's probably a massive pain in the ass to have to work on in the first place.

[little fox]

It is and I support them over large companies who actively are horrible at development. It's not really arrowheads fault and they do everything they can unlike triple AAA studios. I'm just too critical of a lot of game dev nowadays

[sonic pecan]

plasma still the meta

[hybrid plover]

It boring

[spark helm]

Most of game dev issues are absolutely coming from industry practices, economic incentives and reinforced financial constraints. Not to mention how frequently game dev in general is a job field where you can hit all the right marks, underpaid and overworked, full-on market success and still get canned. Messed up stuff from the top as per usual.

[sonic pecan]

most shit is, because they didnt give us meltas

[little fox]

Yeah I hope they get to unionize. I hope the video game bubble pops so we can go back to more passion projects

[meager echo]

I'm pretty sure hellbore is pretty close to plasma now. Minus the shooting through horde, everything else is way better. Faster ttk, more ammo eco friendly.

[mortal aspen]

plasma is easier to use and less unwieldy

[hybrid plover]

Plasma has significantly more crowd control and cleave

I love helbore but plasma does do some things a lot better. They're both good for different reasons.

[spark helm]

At the rate some things are going, it's probably not too far away. I'd need to brush up more seriously on narrowing this one down, but indie game dev I'd argue is well into this sort of era where people can just get access to some seriously amazing projects. A massive advantage towards this to me comes from games that are strictly not meant to be live service games. Finite and fulfilling can go a longer way than "infinite" and tumultuous imo.

[meager echo]

Plasma is un-rival. Because of the cleave.

[hybrid plover]

They could shoot straight through sandbags and the like

[slow spade]

they would also target you through them c:

which was a FUN experience

[old cobalt]

thats beyond fucked up

lmao

[hybrid plover]

Giving that to an enemy that can prefire at the very thought of a players existence is a fucking horrible idea.

[little fox]

Agree, I think change is coming and I've only really bought indie games the last year

[slow spade]

yeah there have been some banger indie games this year and last year

[hybrid plover]

Someone at Fatshark really thought to put emphasis on the T in CBT with those plasma gunners

[slow spade]

like Abiotic Factor

[hybrid plover]

I'm glad they're nerfed lmao

[slow spade]

indeed

[slow spade]

1900 hp enemy with carapace that does 650 damage

[willow prairie]

SKILL ISSUE

[slow spade]

surely this will be well received when we throw 20 of them at you

[spark helm]

I like it but I'm easily the minority in most conversations about bastard mobs being introduced.

[hybrid plover]

holy shit I didn't even realize it was just one gunner

[narrow frost]

yes

[spark helm]

Haven't read a patch note about the plasma gunners yet but they seem like they fire way slower?

[hybrid plover]

That is bonkers.

[spark helm]

Like they take much longer to fire after charging up a shot it seems.

[little fox]

Gunners are so coinflip. They either spray and don't do shit, or they hit every single shot on you

[mortal aspen]

2

[sharp epoch]

plasma gunners are fine

[hybrid plover]

Wait yeah I see two trails

Oh my God was the other one firing straight through cover???

Cus there's two different directions that the trails come from but there's only one gunner on the screen there.

[sharp epoch]

theres multiple

[hybrid plover]

Unless it is just completely in the cover of dark

[hybrid plover]

Yep.

[mortal aspen]

look, one below mating with the shotgunner, and another above

[hybrid plover]

Can't even see the bastard.

[mortal aspen]

this is more obvious, yep

[sharp epoch]

2 in that circle at least

[little fox]

This is why on Marty zealot I just try to run at them so they switch to melee

Theyre so annoying if you're not on top of them

[sharp epoch]

plasma gunners are good because you cant just brainlessly run at a pack of gunners now

[little fox]

Pffff I do it anyways

[mortal aspen]

smoke stonks

[sharp epoch]

without being turned into swiss cheese 😭

[little fox]

I only do it on martyrdom zealot to be clear lol

[hybrid plover]

They're good in theory

[meager echo]

reapers are also dumb sometimes. They keep shooting even when you are right next to them and the knock back punch bs.

[hybrid plover]

But their first implementation was complete ass.

[little fox]

Martyrdom zealot is such cheese tho

[sharp epoch]

they make veteran actually useful too as a long range ranged class

[hybrid plover]

I like the idea of a genuinely threatening elite that you have to work around but implementing in a way where proper counterplay was dependent almost entirely on rng was not it.

They're much better now.

[sharp epoch]

yeah they were a little overtuned just a little

[little fox]

The only ones I hate are trappers tbh, their sound que feels so quiet and istg they hide around corners for me

[hybrid plover]

Still will kick your shit in if you're not being careful but at the very least, you're not getting sniped through solid cover with no warning whatsoever.

[old cobalt]

really? I dont mind them

I hate toxbursters

[hybrid plover]

I love Executioners Stance

[old cobalt]

they are SO hard to pinpoint and their AoEs are SO large

[hybrid plover]

The only specialist that really feels like an issue to me now are mutants lol

[sharp epoch]

poxbursters 🤓

[old cobalt]

the worst part is its a giant cloud so if you get nailed you have to leave the cloud before you can even START looking, and if you leave the wrong side you just cant see them

[little fox]

Idk if it's my soundmix or what, but I cannot hear their audio que half the time. Toxbursters only screw me when I'm playing my guns focus builds. Get too lost in the sauce

[old cobalt]

actually I meant tox bombers

not poxbursters

im just stupid and sleepy

[sharp epoch]

oohh

[old cobalt]

tox bombers unironically have caused me like have

bipolar episodes to flare up

[sharp epoch]

tox bombers disabling exe stance makes me cry

[old cobalt]

tox bombers make me so fucking violently angry

Bursters? Just push or hide behind the idiot that keeps shooting them

Mutants? Dogs? Just dodge.

tox bombers will turn the entire arena into a hotbox and deal CORRUPTION damage to you for some ungodly reason

so much rage

[fair shale]

I'm ngl I've become the idiot who shoots bursters cause I've seen way too many people let one jump into the 4 of us lately

[old cobalt]

i just run away from the group and make sure im clear

[sharp epoch]

a lot of guns have enough stagger to shootpush poxbursters just with one bullet

[little fox]

I get corruption resist and like 8 wounds on zealot so I see why I don't mind them now. I imagine on squishier classes/builds it way more annoying

[fair shale]

Might as well kill it on the ground

[fair shale]

Not an option sometimes

[sharp epoch]

less dangerous and it gives your teammates time to react

[old cobalt]

i take corruption resist specifically for tox bombers/flamers and poxbursters

flamers arent a huge issue bit bombers make me angry and pox bursters are the special you have the least control over

[sharp epoch]

if you play arbites the rebreather talent basically ignores toxbombers

[old cobalt]

👀

[fair shale]

If you want to

[fair shale]

Totally ignore them

You take Rebreather+CS+1 15 percent corruption resist on a curio

You can just stand on top of 6 PBs

[old cobalt]

Oh baby

come to mama

[fair shale]

Im not actually sure there's any amount of poxxies that'll kill you with that

[fair shale]

@old cobalt

[sharp epoch]

arbeetes being broken as normal

[old cobalt]

CS?

[fair shale]

Castigator's Stance

Left side F button

[old cobalt]

ehh ill stick with the charge

[fair shale]

No i mean literally they will not damage you

[old cobalt]

yeaaaah i know but like also

charge

[mortal aspen]

Arbites is such a baby class

[old cobalt]

its the only class i dont have maxxed lmao

[mortal aspen]

game gives challenge? here's 5 talents to negate anything you want

[little fox]

Arbites just doesn't seem fun tbh

[fair shale]

Thats the secret

Arbites is stupidly fun lol

[mortal aspen]

oh no, it's a fun class

[crude wind]

Arbites is very fun

[mortal aspen]

but it's so safe it's kinda ridiculous

[little fox]

Yeah but the fun is in the challenge of the game no, so removing or negating it to a degree makes it less fun

[sharp epoch]

I play the most dps arbites it basically plays like doom

[crude wind]

BTL lone Wolf shock mines is really good for the rotten armour modifier as well, been super enjoying it

[crude wind]

It's not like you can't die

[old cobalt]

i tried arbites but i feel... untouchable?

[fair shale]

Do you use plasma, perchance?

[little fox]

No plasma is cringe

[old cobalt]

just grab shock maul, left click

i dont even use the fucking dog lmao

[fair shale]

I can accept that opinion then

[crude wind]

Shield and Maul is one of the most satisfying flow state weapons in the game

[little fox]

I full send infantry autogun and shovel because that's a real veteran to me

[old cobalt]

fair

IA Vraks + Shovel is valid

[little fox]

Based

[fair shale]

I agree

[old cobalt]

i prefer the normal maul

tbh

just get ur bonk on

[fair shale]

Shield and Maul begs you to keep killing it feels so good

[crude wind]

Normal maul is a stronger weapon for sure but I just love the shield

[fair shale]

Say what you will about arb but FS designed the hell outta those weapons and theyre dopamine producers

[crude wind]

The guy who designed the guns is very good at his job

[old cobalt]

the melee weapons are weapon smut yeah

[crude wind]

Lovely guy as well

[old cobalt]

i kinda hate the shotguns but i just hate shotguns in this game so

im giga biased

[fair shale]

The arb shotguns feels so good but I love shotguns in every game

[sharp epoch]

exterminator shotguns are the only dt shotguns that actually feel like one

[crude wind]

Pocket snozzgun and shot pistol are very bae

[fair shale]

Thats actually why I hate fallout 4 so much

No pump shotgun

[mortal aspen]

double barrel slander

[old cobalt]

I would use dt shotguns if the slugs acted like slugs

[sharp epoch]

db without ws hits like a wet noodle and damage drop off is so high

exterminator actually does more damage than db

with 6 more bullets

[mortal aspen]

exterminator shotguns are absurdly overtuned

[old cobalt]

i COULD NOT tell you what it is but the slugs in this game do not feel right

[mortal aspen]

and on an absurdly overtuned class

db still feels good on arby

[fair shale]

They all do

I don't prefer agri arb but it still feels good

[sharp epoch]

db doesnt feel like a shotgun when it doesnt kill a gunner with a barrel into his face

[hybrid plover]

Try scriers with db

[old cobalt]

Speaking of guns, I had my first certified vet experience

Full Horde + Hallway + Recon Lasgun + Stance + Combat Stim

Nothing survived.

[fair shale]

Me when I shoot plasma gun like twice

[old cobalt]

plasma gun is fun ye

i like the recon las gun tho

brrrrrrrrr

[fair shale]

Try Vraks sometime if you like Recon too

Similar feelings

[old cobalt]

I use it on my Gaze Gunker

:3

I love my brrrrr guns

[fair shale]

I don't but they're very good in this game

[old cobalt]

I just love being able to hold down the trigger for so long on recon

taking less than a single mag to kill a plague ogryn in a group setting is so nice lmao

[obtuse raft]

I'm always surprised how popular recons are. I cannot get over how wimpy the sfx and stagger are

[fair shale]

They're the new easy tbh

Its very easy to slap on an semi infinite ammo recon build and shoot everything

[sullen scarab]

what perks do you take on the new bolter, carapace unyielding?

[obtuse raft]

Ye I see people kill very well with them but it's ALL the kind of person who runs recon specifically to avoid learning melee fundamentals

[fair shale]

Tbf

To kill very well with a recon you just point it in a direction

You dont even have to aim with it, really

[sharp epoch]

yeah hipfire is as accurate as ads

[sharp epoch]

I mean I feel like vet deserves a build like that with a modicum of aim, vs psyker who does the same thing but better

Psykers end up doing 99% of their damage as ranged vs any ranged vet build which does still around 30-40% damage in melee

[sullen scarab]

Any good Recon Lasgun builds? I haven't touched it in years lol.

[spark helm]

Name, design, function. Angry laser assault rifle that can cut down hordes and burn down bosses is extremely attractive on a class that already is cut from a highly accessible cloth for fps enjoyers. Its overall effectiveness has had an interesting history. There have been plenty of times where it was kind of whatever. It was solid before this update but now it got an even better buff because the tree meant to make guns strong got way better too.

[azure narwhal]

power falchion blessings? i'm thinking cranial/wrath or cranial/leakage. unsure how the horde clear keeps up in havoc

[spark helm]

Most people been having cranial/wrath as a strong, easy baseline atp. Haven't used leakage.

[azure narwhal]

thought so, thanks

[spark helm]

If anything, people with backgrounds for horde shooters and shooters period aren't exactly being tasked with sustaining melee interactions that aren't instant knife kills and singular melee abilities I'd say. Recon lasgun just feel very familiar when it has a build and performance that's very strong.

It's kind of neat seeing people learn over time just how important it is to do melee fundamentals even with ranged heavy builds.

[faint beacon]

Cranial Heatsink

If you want max uptime

75% powered gameplay vs unpowered

Cranial Leakage is more just banking on slightly more damage

[spark helm]

I'm an uptime enjoyer generally speaking.

[faint beacon]

The neutral pick is Wrath Cranial which makes unpowered and powered solid

Cranial Heatsink is literally just constant powered

Purposely let it overheat FYI

cause overheat cooldown with heatsink is 2x faster than manually turning it off

[spark helm]

I picked up on it since it was my first choice. Is that shared with relic?

[faint beacon]

Not that I know of

But Falchion and Relic are similar

Falchion just overheats quicker and cools slower

[spark helm]

That'd be interesting if that's just a thing that heatsink weapons have with the heatsink blessing.

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think unpowered is ever good lol

[old cobalt]

quick question, whats the HP % Boost needed to hit the 100 gate?

[fair shale]

To not be one shot by a burster?

[old cobalt]

ye

a lil extra 2 obvs

[fair shale]

One 5 percent boost on any curio

[old cobalt]

thats

thats it?

[fair shale]

To not be one shot

You won't like

Be happy after

[old cobalt]

sweet, alright I'll just run Health/Stam/Toughness curios then

[fair shale]

But you won't be instantly turbo dead

[old cobalt]

and not bother with the +health perks

whats the best way to farm curios?

[tall torrent]

melk mystery defense drop

[fair shale]

Curio drop chance on a curio, buying them with milk points

[old cobalt]

thats what i figured

im looking for 21% HP, 17% Toughness 3 Stam yeah?

those I keep?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[fair shale]

3 stam but 420 rated

[hollow ibex]

And make sure the stam curio is 410 or higher

[fair shale]

Is it only 410?

[old cobalt]

why does it have to be 410 higher?

[fair shale]

Rounds down otherwise

[old cobalt]

ahhh

[fair shale]

To 2

[hollow ibex]

Because 400 ones are fake

[hollow ibex]

Yup

[fair shale]

Yeah

[old cobalt]

so to farm them just spend all of my melk-bucks on mystery defensive curios?

and run curio drop rate mods on my curios?

[fair shale]

Yeah, and if that doesn't work slap a curio drop chance on some curios

[old cobalt]

wait

[fair shale]

Melk being real fuckin stingy with my arb rn

[old cobalt]

is 20% max for health

or 21%

[fair shale]

21

[old cobalt]

son of a bitch

i have 3 20% 410 curios

lol

[hollow ibex]

Oof

You can also try the armory extension

That’s how I got most of mine

Melks is so ass

[old cobalt]

armory extension?

[hollow ibex]

Browser extension

[old cobalt]

ah

tbh im not gonna worry about it

[hollow ibex]

That shows what’s in the shop

Check every hour

[old cobalt]

I have a 410 20% hp curio

[hollow ibex]

It’s pretty easy

[old cobalt]

and a 410 17% Tough/3 stam curio

im not gonna throw a shitfit over literally 1 hp

lmao

[fair shale]

And realize that for some reason brunt only sells the good stuff at 3am

[hollow ibex]

lol I just checked for two weeks on arbi and got all the shit I needed

It’s kinda annoying but whatever

Melks also doesn’t give shit sometimes

[fair shale]

Oh no I have good stuff, its just that I always seem to get it at 3am lol

[fair shale]

I spent 6k milk points for no curio above 400 recently

[old cobalt]

oh my shit

[fair shale]

Id send that fuck to the blocks if I could

[old cobalt]

my c-axe is mastery 20

i thought i had updated it

i did not

[hollow ibex]

I spent 60k and got one max toughness lol

[fair shale]

Fuck that

[old cobalt]

i spent 2k

:3

[turbid ibex]

skill issue ngl

[tall torrent]

I have like at least three +17% toughness curios across all my characters lol

[turbid ibex]

just rng better

[hollow ibex]

True…

[turbid ibex]

of course its true

i said it

[old cobalt]

god i hope i get a 21% health curio soon

i have god rolls on both weapons

BiS curios for toughness/stam

all im missing is that one fucking hitpoint for my health curio

[tall torrent]

it doesn't matter

[fair shale]

I used to and I remade every character when I came back

[old cobalt]

i know but its BUGGING ME

[fair shale]

Looking at the gacha weapons i had pissed me off that badly tbh

[sullen scarab]

Any good builds for the recon lasgun you guys got?

[old cobalt]

...I just had a group of 3 people that didnt help me with a pack of pox hounds, i got jumped, chewed down to half health, I asked "Please shoot the dogs"

dead silence

immediately 3 down

[sullen scarab]

Mood

[old cobalt]

i swear to christ the people that play this game have to be getting disability checks

like im not the best but "Shoot the thing chewing the face off ur teammate" seems p simple

[sullen scarab]

I had a match last night where a team mate blew me off the starting platform down into the mobs below then they all stayed upstairs fighting nonstop and then a dog jumped on me and they still didn't help out until I died lol.

[old cobalt]

uhh gimme a sec

ill copy my build down

[sullen scarab]

For recon I'm not sure if I should go down the marksman tree or the focus target or what nowadays after the buff lol, I just know that the crit infinite ammo and onslaught are good

Sounds good appreciate it!

[narrow frost]

onslaught 😔

[sullen scarab]

Is it bad

[old cobalt]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a003178a-4c19-4abb-b2b1-98dc8871c379/nixs-recon-lasgun

This is what I use

IT's not -the- meta pick because some stuff is just preference

like running Iron Will + Field Improv can be 100% (probably should be) swapped out for Trench Fighter/Serrated Blade

[sullen scarab]

Awesome, thanks man appreciate it!

[old cobalt]

im sure someone will call it dogshit and tell you what to change lol

[narrow frost]

its okay, but only works on 2 weapons and at that point just melee the target you are shooting

it only helps agaisnt crushers

and crushers die faster with melee

[sullen scarab]

Ahhhh ok

I guess if I run dueling sword then I don't need to care lol

I just like melting crushers it's funny

[old cobalt]

tbh with this build I literally just leave crushers alone

and let other people handle them lol

[sullen scarab]

Loool

[tame lodge]

Crushers with 6k hp
Not worth shooting with recon

[old cobalt]

n o p e

[sullen scarab]

I see

[old cobalt]

and take like 7 c-axe hits to kill

to the head

[sullen scarab]

Ok I'll skip onslaught good tip

[old cobalt]

they are BEEFY bois

[chilly merlin]

The amount of Thammer zealots running around I'm basically doing the same thing lol

[sullen scarab]

Serrated Blade is only good for like combat blades right, to proc the mercy killer?

[old cobalt]

no its great team support

ogryn can get flat DR from it

zealots get... Crit?

IIRC?

both classes like bleed

[hybrid plover]

Allows them to proc Scourge more consistently

[old cobalt]

ye

its not like "go out of your way to pick it"

but there are worse tax nodes

i run iron will because im ass and field imp because i like helping

but running Trench Fighter/Serrater is probably better

[fiery bronze]

pulls out a comically large double barrel shotgun

[hybrid plover]

Iron Will imho is the one actually mandatory node on vets tree

[fiery bronze]

gotta love the infinite ammo augments

[old cobalt]

it is just a flat\

+25% toughness

[hybrid plover]

It's a little more nuanced than that.

Shout increasing your max toughness means it's now more toughness that has to get chewed through to reach 75%. That alone is strong.

[old cobalt]

yeah its a lot better with shout/choir

[fair shale]

Vet good at stacking toughness+damage resistance above 75 percent toughness+more toughness from yelling

High base toughness pool benefits heavily from more toughness curios

[hybrid plover]

ES however also synergizes incredibly well with it too since with the passive regen on top of all the crazy regen you get from the talents, you can sorta just ignore anything that chips toughness because you'll just keep regenning to hit the 75% threshold unless something just outright nukes it.

Or you're just biting off way more than you can chew.

[old cobalt]

yeah tbf the issue is I'm running full left side

so i would have to rely on teammates for the Choir/VoC synergy

so dropping it is nowhere near as bad as it would be if you're running VoC

if you're running VoC and DONT have Iron Will, what the shit are you doing?

[pine aspen]

What's the difference in tac axe and combat axe?

[fair shale]

A lot

[red portal]

Not running iron will even without VoC is strange.

[old cobalt]

really?

ive seen builds suggested here that dont have it and no one commented lol

[hybrid plover]

I have not. Those builds are bad.

Like straight up.

[fair shale]

Gameslantern builds are mostly bad if you're using those

[old cobalt]

im not im making my own

[hybrid plover]

There is no reason you should be skipping Iron Will, ever.

[fair shale]

There's occasionally a diamond in the rough tho

[old cobalt]

r8 my shit

bois

[red portal]

Not with the new skill tree anyways

Now you have no excuse for not taking it

[sullen scarab]

@hybrid plover I ran your smoke bolter build last night on a plasma event match and it slapped

[red portal]

Even in meme builds

[midnight wyvern]

no demo team 🥀

[old cobalt]

I debated demo team

[pine aspen]

Best gameslantern build is Gandalf melee Psyker

[old cobalt]

but I decided that LnoB fits me better

i am 100% that fucking idiot that will sprint into certain death to pick you up

i dont care if im throwing

i dont care if youre surrounded by 6 crushers

ill figure it out when i get there

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-toothless-blah-blah-how-to-train-your-dragon-talking-gif-17916482

[hollow ibex]

MMF does not go well with recon

[hybrid plover]

My madness knows no bounds.

[hollow ibex]

And you will really want Trench Fighter for Rashad

[fair shale]

Im not a CK fan, no demo team, no iron will/10

[sullen scarab]

My friends were laughing so hard when huge mobs of elites and gunners showed up and then they all exploded from the bolter

[red portal]

Taking leave no one behind above demo team is crazy

[old cobalt]

NO ONE LEFT BEHIND

I DONT CARE IF ITS NOT META

[fair shale]

I could respect it for havocs ngl but not sans demo team

[sullen scarab]

Was focus target better?

[red portal]

You could have infinite nades

Unlimited

[hollow ibex]

Yeah or just no keystone

WS would be ok too if you melee a lot

Just don’t do MMF

[old cobalt]

how the fuck is mf bad with ES?

[red portal]

I am exaggerating but still

[sullen scarab]

Does it just have weak finesse modifiers for mmf?

[hybrid plover]

It's also effective in havoc honestly. The main issue is just ammo efficiency so you really have to lock in with melee to pull it off.

[old cobalt]

oh my b wrong reply

[sullen scarab]

Yeah I spent most of the match using the knife

[red portal]

I am going to change my name to zarona stub revovler enjoyer

[old cobalt]

I get 10% stamina recovery on weakspot kill for deadshot synergy and the +25% crit chance damage/ammo econ

[sullen scarab]

I changed to the mk III knife though because I can't get the hang of the mk vi

I always flub the heavy heavy light light

[hybrid plover]

Putting it here now fellas.

Melee exe stance is the new vet meta I think.

[old cobalt]

based

[tame lodge]

Pretty much

[sullen scarab]

[fair shale]

I'm ngl with the new vet tree pathing I don't think I'd ever run shredder frags

[red portal]

You get so much toughness replenishment it's crazy

[tame lodge]

Recon has 1.3 finesse

[old cobalt]

im gonna stick MF because my options are

[sullen scarab]

The onslaught with the combat knife instead of uncanny strike so you can take mercy killer and executor is hilarious

[tame lodge]

With 75% from mmf

[red portal]

Depends if you have shit aoe you still want them over frags.

[tame lodge]

You go to 1.64

Iirc

Which isn't great

[hybrid plover]

Here's something I do.

Push attack > heavy > heavy

[fair shale]

I'm a scumfuck who runs plasma vet

I don't need more aoe

[old cobalt]

"Ping the specials im targeting so my teammates can kill them"
"Use your melee more in your ranged build"
"Do more of everything you wanna do"

[hybrid plover]

Good single target combo without needing too much stamina.

[sullen scarab]

Is that for single target?

Ahhh ok

[old cobalt]

like even if MF bonuses arent the best i dont see how either capstone is better

[sullen scarab]

What do you do for mobs?

[red portal]

You can still do just fine ignoring all of vets keystones.

[old cobalt]

If I do swap off MF I'll probably talent into Demo Team, Rending Strikes, Competitive urge

[red portal]

Even though I'm a sucker for weapon specialist

[old cobalt]

but from my testing MF gets most of its value from Tunnel Vision + Deadshot synergy

[hybrid plover]

Honestly there's a lot you can do for mobs.

I'm not entirely sure where the moves are the chain. But there's a light heavy string that results in two wide swings. I usually use that for horde clear.

[red portal]

I personally would take the 25 toughness node over rending strikes

[fair shale]

Same

[hybrid plover]

I wish I was home to give a good example.

[old cobalt]

I already took it

[red portal]

Then I would look to the right side of the tree first has a shit ton of base damage modifiers there

[hybrid plover]

Push attack + light light light is also good horde clear since the lunge actually has surprising cleave.

[red portal]

Like skirmisher

[sullen scarab]

Oooo ok

[red portal]

We talking knife?

[sullen scarab]

I know that heavy heavy light light is one of the horde clears for the mk 6 knife

[hybrid plover]

Mk6 particularly.

[old cobalt]

oh fuck

i should take Reciprocity

[red portal]

Gremlin have you done the funny thing where you take mercy killer precog?

[sullen scarab]

That does two side swipes

[fair shale]

One of vets best perks imho

[old cobalt]

just spam dodge at range, 15% increase crit chance

wait--

[hybrid plover]

Actually, I run mercy killer executor.

[old cobalt]

why would you EVER not take it?

[fair shale]

Imo, you wouldn't

[old cobalt]

thats just good for literally every build

[sullen scarab]

It's free real estate, like skirmkisher

[void dragon]

Is there something that the Hsword excels to that could be worth for a build?

[narrow frost]

mixed horde clear with BM and high maniac damage profile

[sullen scarab]

I'm addicted to Skirmisher and I will never be rid of it.

[old cobalt]

im not gonna dive into right tree because of all the melee tax nodes and stuff

[mortal aspen]

Caxe is slow(ish)
Taxe is quick and mobile

[old cobalt]

mhh

[hybrid plover]

Executor is surprisingly good at helping with both horde clear and single target.

[old cobalt]

i am

[void dragon]

Caxe can push attack a ranger out of it's combo

[old cobalt]

1 talent shy of skirmisher

i gotta prune something

[red portal]

The "tax nodes" are still very solid choices for a generalist build

[sullen scarab]

I noticed that when running your build, I could actually kill hordes

[void dragon]

Taxe can so similar but less and instead can run from said ragers

[old cobalt]

oh im a dumbass

[red portal]

Hell I find melee vet more fun than zealot ATM.

[old cobalt]

im running Dum Dum + Longshot

i can totally prune Longshot for Skirmisher

[hybrid plover]

I was trying flesh tearer + mercy like path suggested but I can actively tell that the cleave doesn't feel as good.

[sullen scarab]

The only difference I did with your build was swap out the Agile engagement swap skill for 25 toughness since the bolter comes out so slow lol

[hybrid plover]

As long as you're hitting heads consistently, it feels really good.

[sullen scarab]

Yeah

[hybrid plover]

I'll be honest. I took off Bring it down.

[sullen scarab]

Oh yeah?

[red portal]

I have to get back on the combat blade grind

I haven't touched it in a few weeks

[old cobalt]

okay

[hybrid plover]

Because onslaught will end up netting more consistent performance against those targets with that build from my testing.

[old cobalt]

pruned deadshot/MF

[red portal]

Too busy with the falchion powersword

[old cobalt]

This look deece?

[sullen scarab]

Only downside of combat blade is a) I now have carpel tunnel b) I am too slow now with other weapons so I cry

[hybrid plover]

And agile engagement if used right is just a pure extra 25% damage

[sullen scarab]

Yeah true

I'll try what you did

But I do need the toughness I'm too baby to go below like 180 ish lol

[red portal]

Run triple stamina curious like a crackhead

[sullen scarab]

LOL

[red portal]

I know you want to

[old cobalt]

speaking of which, is 185 Toughness and 180 Health a solid split?

[hybrid plover]

Nah I traded bring it down for the 25 toughness.

[vivid silo]

That feeling when you fear you brought the wrong build for the quickplay mission, but your Agrip shotty ends up 1-shotting Plasma Gunners and Maulers (without +carapace)

[hybrid plover]

A little bit helps.

[hollow ibex]

That’s what i run

[hybrid plover]

Especially in havoc cuz not having that node means you have less than 100 toughness which is

[sullen scarab]

I'm at 175 toughness 210 hp

[hybrid plover]

Less than ideal lmao

[mortal aspen]

no Demo Team

[sullen scarab]

Yeesh

[old cobalt]

dw i pruned stuff and talented into it

[normal eagle]

would anyone here be up to help me out with on overwatch? its one of the last penances i got and doing it legit is a pain in the ass

[old cobalt]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a003178a-4c19-4abb-b2b1-98dc8871c379/nixs-recon-lasgun

updated build

[midnight wyvern]

stamina management is prolly gonna be annoying

[old cobalt]

ill figure it out

I had MF to help with it

[orchid hemlock]

I AM THE LAS KING 😈

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[old cobalt]

omg im braindead

i misread the talent lmao

ill probs drop deadshot because i feel like

that will get me killed more often than not

[hybrid plover]

It was okay at first.

Until bombers.

Then it wasnt.

[hybrid plover]

They have a stamina delay node

It should be fine.

[orchid hemlock]

Another version without onslaught is:

[sullen scarab]

Oh shit that's your build

[old cobalt]

i aint tagging my targets so people can killsteal them smh

[sullen scarab]

LOL

Get your own kills smh

[old cobalt]

i need that shit

[hollow ibex]

Just kill them faster smh

[sullen scarab]

TFW you're at low toughness and your team kills all the specialists

[hybrid plover]

Wasn't the team

It was me

[fair shale]

Thats why we run Exhilarating Takedown

[hybrid plover]

Sry

It will happen again.

[sullen scarab]

True

[red portal]

Swap killzone for agile engagement and you have perfection.

[old cobalt]

this build is actually super close to what i have lmao

[red portal]

[old cobalt]

I will once I am comfy with melee vet

[sullen scarab]

Is Out for Blood good at all?

[fair shale]

Very

[red portal]

If you have good cleave etc yes

[fair shale]

Out For Blood+Plasma+Havoc Spawnrates is pretty funny

[midnight wyvern]

shredder and OFB is funny

[hybrid plover]

OFB very good.

[old cobalt]

ill probs swap Killzone for OFB

[sullen scarab]

Ok

[old cobalt]

actually

should I take OFB with my build

Or Duck and Dive for synergy with Skirmisher and Deadshot?

[tall torrent]

yes
not as good as CK atm tho

[old cobalt]

DaD seems real nice for stam management

[tall torrent]

DaD's cooldown kills it

3s

[hybrid plover]

Out for Blood is really dependent on your build and whether it can kill a lot of things really fast.

[red portal]

This is my power sword build for h40 if you use a weapon that does not need the auto reload you can swap it for superiority complex

[pine aspen]

I suck with the plasma gun

[old cobalt]

oh dad has a 3s cd?

fuck that

trash

[sullen scarab]

Makes sense. I just never have the skill points to nab it lol

[tall torrent]

it's a secondary pick to CK almost all the time

[old cobalt]

OFB it is

[pine aspen]

Send apothacary

[hybrid plover]

Agreed.

[tall torrent]

I run this for hybrid

[hybrid plover]

But having them together on a build that can actually utilize them both.

[sullen scarab]

I will say having it on your knife gremlin build is very comfy LOL

[hybrid plover]

Is peak.

[old cobalt]

I have CK + BFB on a pure ranged build

so it works pretty well

CK for elite kills

BFB for the 20 dregs who are stupid enough to get in front of the special im shooting at

[tall torrent]

CK + exe stance is like 20% toughness every second if ur doing ur job well

[old cobalt]

yeah it does a lot

CK + Exe Stance + BFB is a LOT of survivability

[tall torrent]

wats BFB

[hybrid plover]

Only reason I have OFB on that build is because that bolter can cause some mass mayhem under the right circumstances

[old cobalt]

back for blood

5% toughness on kill

[midnight wyvern]

out for

[tall torrent]

that's not its name

[sullen scarab]

It's true lol. Oh yeah what perks do you run on bolter? I never saw that in the guide.

[old cobalt]

oh

ofb

sorry

im

stupid

[sullen scarab]

I keep thinking back for blood due to that game lmao

[red portal]

Oh has anyone used a exe stance born leader meme build?

[old cobalt]

no u

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-waddle-waddler-the-waddler-waddle-cat-weird-walk-gif-9738668264510949101

[hybrid plover]

Pinning fire and puncture.

[midnight wyvern]

yes

with plasma

its funny

[sullen scarab]

The carapace unyielding stuff I mean

[hybrid plover]

OH

Flak and maniacs actually

[sullen scarab]

Ohhhh ok

[red portal]

Does plasma have glory hunter?

[midnight wyvern]

yeah people for some reason think perks are blessings all the time

[old cobalt]

is covering fire any good

[red portal]

I was gonna say full memes for the toughness replenishment seems fun

[hybrid plover]

Don't call me out like this

[old cobalt]

like at all

[sullen scarab]

Yeah me too, cuz they sound too similar lol

[hybrid plover]

I will cry

[sullen scarab]

I just think of Fallout lol

[red portal]

Glory hunter born leader exe stance build here I come.

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[red portal]

[midnight wyvern]

[red portal]

So based

[midnight wyvern]

you've only added to my destruction

time to roll a second 72/68 plasma to meme with

[red portal]

Catmiral when I get back home wanna double up our born leader shenanigans?

[midnight wyvern]

depends what side of the planet you're on lol

[red portal]

Eu

I mena

[midnight wyvern]

[red portal]

Don't tell me you're apac

[midnight wyvern]

OCE

[red portal]

No

Fuck it I'll play on 300 ping

But only for the memes

[midnight wyvern]

can't die if you have 900% toughness per second

[red portal]

True

[lilac oasis]

Gimmick or cooking?(Stripped down synergy basically)

[tall torrent]

gimmick

u managed to skip like

80% of the best talents on vet tree

[midnight wyvern]

[tall torrent]

insane feat

[lilac oasis]

Like what?

[sharp epoch]

feet

[fair shale]

Iron will

2/3rds of the nade feats

[midnight wyvern]

infiltrate for starters

[fair shale]

No, 3/4s of the nade feats?

[tall torrent]

iron will
trench fighter drill
grenadier
grenade tinkerer
the bigger they are (executioner's stance)
demolition team
tactical awareness
both 25 toughness grey nodes
reciprocity
desperado
agile engagement
skirmisher
exploit weakness
tunnel vision (marksman's focus)

[fair shale]

Thats more comprehensive then me lol

[lilac oasis]

Infiltrate? How is that help when you lose stealth immediately after shooting?

[lilac oasis]

Oh, dang forgot about tunnel vision, even more synergy lol

[midnight wyvern]

best ability on vet

[lilac oasis]

Also isn't counter fire better? I mean you can constantly refresh executioner

[fair shale]

There's plenty of fat boys in havoc tbh

[lilac oasis]

Yeah but your not guaranteed to kill them

[midnight wyvern]

not with that attitude

also fat boy node increases it to 8 seconds

[fair shale]

The warm plasma gun in my hands:

That mf will kill everything on the screen

[tall torrent]

I'd say TBTA is better atm from the extended duration
8s to kill any elite/specialist to refresh is peak

[midnight wyvern]

rotten armour:

[fair shale]

The Warm Plasma Gun in hands hands with Infested Damage modifier:

[lilac oasis]

Plasma feels way too slow for me(not firing), idk

[midnight wyvern]

they still have 50-75% ranged DR lmao

[old cobalt]

i

well fuck me guess im not playing darktide

[fair shale]

I honestly cannot wait till this mf modifier rotates off havoc

[lilac oasis]

Is the 8 seconds refreshed or still 5 like ability says?

[old cobalt]

joined a map with 2 down, got immediately ejected under the map at mach 20, defeat screen as last guy went down, connection error

[midnight wyvern]

rotten with stims and rotten with purple is certainly a moment of all time

[midnight wyvern]

does infested even do anything?

[fair shale]

Iirc they class as infested

Like rot armored enemies

[midnight wyvern]

[lilac oasis]

I think the problem is, even on the veteran I find it hard to always use ranged, just feel like I'm wasting ammo lol, maybe if my melee was a combat knife, just too ingrained from vermintide

[fair shale]

Poor choice of wording

[hybrid plover]

Because you're not supposed to.

Veteran is a hybrid class.

[tall torrent]

8s refreshed

[fair shale]

The tide games are melee games at their core tbh

[narrow widget]

hybrid being like 60/40 as opposed to 80/20 split

[lilac oasis]

Every class is hybrid though

[narrow widget]

unless you're recon lasgun

[tall torrent]

vet is melee/ranged hybrid
if u want a range focus class, psyker

[midnight wyvern]

unless you use infiltrate

[hybrid plover]

Zealot is significantly more melee focused.

[fair shale]

Ik, but the only class you're gonna be able to have a hypothetical permanent ranged up time on is psyker

[narrow widget]

kid named recon las

[hybrid plover]

Arbites I suppose is another hybrid.

[fair shale]

Arb leans melee imo

[hybrid plover]

Ogryn can go one way or the other.

[lilac oasis]

But still hybrid just like how veteran is more ranged focused

[fair shale]

Ig yeah, thats fair

[midnight wyvern]

not a huge amount of good ranged options but the ones that are good are

[narrow widget]

bumbler

[hybrid plover]

The reason I say hybrid is because veteran has a tree that caters to that sort of play.

[midnight wyvern]

bler

[hybrid plover]

Zealot, really doesn't.

[narrow widget]

that one spread talent

[lilac oasis]

Really? I always felt like pskyer was more of a mix then ranged focus, maybe since I play like an unchained lol

[narrow widget]

nah psyker is usually just use staff 90% of the time

[tall torrent]

ya if anyone is ranged class it's psyker

[hybrid plover]

And even then its kind of a meme pick at this point

[midnight wyvern]

inferno staff doing 3 million damage in a havoc match:

[narrow widget]

it makes my boy brauto good and that's enough

[hybrid plover]

It benefits something that isn't even zealots strong suit to begin with.

[lilac oasis]

What

[narrow widget]

bro hasn't found flame staff yet?

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[hybrid plover]

Uh oh.

[lilac oasis]

I use it and I still don't understand how people do so much with it

[fair shale]

Inferno staff has been one of the single most broken things in the game forever

[narrow widget]

yea

you just spit fire permanently and no one gets to play the game

[midnight wyvern]

attack enemy

[fair shale]

Soul Blaze helps

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

[narrow widget]

flame staff and bumbler have been like top 2 most broken weapons for the longest time

[red portal]

Shriek inferno staff is stupidly busted.

[midnight wyvern]

just spread alot of Soulblaze, stack it on enemies for big damage, then either spam left click or right click but fire as soon as you're able, maintains stacks at max and keeps blaze away stacked

watch world die

[fair shale]

Shriek Inferno, Bubble Inferno

[narrow widget]

and watch everything in front of you get staggered for no reason lmaoo

[midnight wyvern]

[red portal]

Bubble allows your teammates to do something for those 0.2 seconds you spend quelling

[fair shale]

Yup lmfao

You're a generous psyker

[midnight wyvern]

OR if you really don't like rotten armour you can use a force sword with uncanny/superiority and stack uncanny with the push attack from 9m away

and shriek

and watch all of them die

actually the least ive had to play the game when a guy was running that

[narrow widget]

me when I have 21 stacks of soulblaze

[fair shale]

I'm convinced the only reason people don't complain about psyker like they do arb or og is because psyker players just arent that common

But like

Ive played arb and og in games with a good inferno psyker

[midnight wyvern]

"he's just a bubble bitch"

[faint beacon]

Blaze Trauma

That was with encroaching rotten

[narrow widget]

also people in like auric and below don't know how to play psyker without exploding every 3 seconds

[faint beacon]

Psyker just shits out damage for free

It’s not even funny

[fair shale]

Thats also true

You'll notice a bad psyker

But a good psyker? Lol

You're not playing that match

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which is why I propose a new psyker tree
kamikaze

[faint beacon]

You won’t be playing in general

[tall torrent]

most psyker players haven't figured how to play the 50% of the game their class deals with

[faint beacon]

Unless it’s a Good Melee or Gun Psyker

Then you actually notice they’re helpful but not turning the game off entirely

[tall torrent]

any remotely competent player

psyker is so op that even if u allowed power sword to run cycler + BM + sunder + slaughterer + rampage all at the same time, vet still is not as good as psyker

that's how far above the rest they are in terms of strength

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-terrified-gif-10236982897096038637

[tall torrent]

this 5 blessing combo would allow vet to 1 tap 4 ragers per energized attack btw

still not as good as psyker

[fair shale]

Isnt vet the only class without basic DR in the skill tree now?

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[tall torrent]

yea

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you see this is a reference to how the average guardsman only lasts 15 hours

[midnight wyvern]

I didn't clip it but I had a psyker killing like 40 shotgunners all in 1 tick

killfeed just spazzed out

[orchid hemlock]

Minutes 😈

[tall torrent]

I don't think it ultimately matter that much

all the best DR talents are TDR anyway

[fair shale]

I know i just think its funny

I think vet is squishier than psyker rn

[tall torrent]

and exe stance + CK is more toughness gain than launch arb

lol

[tall torrent]

outside of empathic evasion I don't see it

[fair shale]

I have to do more research before it's not an i think tbh

They're defo closer than before tho

[zenith carbon]

whats a good weapon combo for infiltrate+krak
i have penances to do

[midnight wyvern]

counter arguement

gold

random but does anyone else hate how long it takes for kayex to yap

[sharp hamlet]

Kayex is great at putting me to sleep with his monologues

[remote sonnet]

It is just lore accurate.

Well, more accurate than most thing in the game.

[fair shale]

Idk

We are the protagonists

[willow canyon]

we are pretty buffed up game wise

Don’t think lore wise a veterans gonna clear a whole horde with a shovel

[fair shale]

You're not just a vet tho, yk?

You're a warhammer named former guardsman

A survivor, marked by fate if you will

[remote sonnet]

You can always dream of it, but psyker is still much stronger regardless.

[fair shale]

Nah thats not what I'm saying

[remote sonnet]

Psyker is attached 1 per battalion, of which usually has a veteran guard squad or company.

[fair shale]

Psyker should be stronger

I figured you were alluding to us not being dead yet or killing what we kill tbh

[willow prairie]

psyker are strong because they spam inferno staff m2 with bubble

truly emperor strongest soldier

[remote sonnet]

Or you know, smite...

[willow prairie]

is there a lore reason why smite is shit

[remote sonnet]

It is gameplay reason, not lore.

[fair shale]

No because smite in lore is crazy tbh

Much closer to like

[remote sonnet]

Lore smite is basically what ignite warp fire.

It is EK + Inferno.

[fair shale]

Tbh smite if it was closer to lore wouldnt be cc

We arent the strongest psykers ever but its magic lightning

[tall torrent]

gameplay balance should always be a higher priority than lore accuracy

[fair shale]

Lore accurate ogryn ain't reloading them guns

[cunning haven]

everything we do in game is lore. i am lore

[remote sonnet]

It is a joke...

[hollow ibex]

We should make this a thing

[willow canyon]

Make it to where vets can sit on an ogryn shoulders and shoot

[sharp epoch]

psykers busted

[hidden hinge]

Ogryn talent that increases gun bashing melee damage by 100% whenever it’s not loaded

[sharp epoch]

also they need to nerf smite psyker again it deals so much damage and keeps enemies locked down with zero skill expression

[tidal tartan]

Gotta say this build is just insane at mulching everything constantly

[tame lodge]

Wait until they learn that Charged Strike got a huge buff yesterday

[tidal tartan]

I don't ever use my melee wapon on auric at least

[sharp epoch]

that build bad

[tidal tartan]

performance begs to differ man

its just w+m1

nothing survives

and the fucking toughness is insane

I was an arbites main before this has more

[hidden hinge]

Have you tried using Deadshot on this build? The perk that makes you use stamina while shooting while aiming but increases crit rate by 25%

It can be mitigated by one of the marksmans focus perks that restores stamina on headshot kill

[heavy rover]

Deadshot gaming we are so back

[tidal tartan]

losing .1 stamina per shot while mag dumping for 20 seconds straight on the highest rof weapon in game feels bad so I just don't run it but yeah you can use it

[hidden hinge]

Yeah, fair enough

[hollow ibex]

Not taking Infernus is a choice…

[tidal tartan]

oh yeah it is

Purely for game feel

you need the actual last hit to be a weakshot KILL

tos tack reliably

I just hate my enemies dying to burn and getting my stacks taken

infernus is almost certainly optimal

[hollow ibex]

lol fair

[tidal tartan]

In my defense though

marksmans focus gives 112.5% Finesse

so I want my actual damage to be boosted too

[hidden hinge]

The one marksman’s focus + deadshot build I have uses the laspistols since I like forcing myself to actually aim to hit heads, and the laspistols feel so damn good to use like that (for me anyway)

[tidal tartan]

I do enjoy a laspistol

Headhunter rewards headshots too obv

[hidden hinge]

Yeah

[hidden hinge]

Specifically the Kantrael Mk X laspistol. It feels so chunky to shoot

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent it’s got me thinking with how I play my WS Agri Taxe build

If I should swap Surgical for Headhunter

[sharp epoch]

recon has like barely any finesse bonus so it mmf isnt really that good other than the stam gain

[faint beacon]

Vigilants on the other hand…

Especially Columnus paired with headhunter

[tidal tartan]

I mean bodyshots are ~45% no? You can't physically hit headshots all the time with this thing

for some reason critical headshots get nothing lol

[void dragon]

I assume the Inf autoguns shoot to fast for Deadshot to be too viable?

[tidal tartan]

only if you are a coward

[void dragon]

Mama didn't realised no sissy

[tidal tartan]

lol

[tepid otter]

you mean raised no sissy?

[tidal tartan]

but IMO it makes your las an actual secondary you pull out to deal with specials when kinda the entire point of an inf lasgun is being able to use it all the time

[faint beacon]

Vraks will destroy it

Agri won’t

Agri AG will probably feel like a Beefy Battle Rifle with MMF

[paper salmon]

I accidentally destroyed my maxed out/perfect las pistol

I am punching air right now

[tall torrent]

nah

[void dragon]

Autocorrect, my one nemesis

[tidal tartan]

die

and by that i mean pay 200k dockets for a new one

[tall torrent]

did it?

is it good now

[tame lodge]

Yeah
It's interacting with your talents and blessings now

[tepid otter]

Which side is Charged Strike at again

Oh wait, is that a weap blessing