veteran-class

[open fossil]

And flame

[snow valve]

and trying to say that it's good to have HP in case you get hit by a burster

[old cobalt]

you and vror are the only people ive ever seen that don't run health on vet to hit 201hp

[fair shale]

Tbh I run tough tough stam personally

[old cobalt]

Fucktard jimmy blasting a burster with a hellbore while its within 6ft

[tall torrent]

Burster 100 damage
Vet hp 97.5

[open fossil]

Post your ordodockets rn

[fair shale]

1 5 percent Hp on my curios

[trim badger]

Well when I play havoc my vet has 98 hp so no way I could reach 201 thresshold

[void dragon]

If you have my team squads, it is not a question of if, is a question of when

[old cobalt]

101 sorry lmao

[trim badger]

Oh that sounds reasonable

[old cobalt]

im still waking up

[tall torrent]

It’s not for 200 threshold
It’s for the 100 threshold to prevent instakill

And no it’s not down

It’s straight death

[trim badger]

Wouldn't just having 1 single 5% +hp slot be better than 1 21% hp tho?

[hearty panther]

Just don't get hit

[tall torrent]

Because burster close range blast is 50 corruption

[old cobalt]

again, this does not fix squadmates shooting them

[tall torrent]

U will just die

[open fossil]

When your bubble inferno psyker dies what will you do now toughness defender?

[snow valve]

voc

[trim badger]

I rarely see bubble nowadays on Havoc anyways

[hearty panther]

If your squadmates are gunning bursters in friendly range at high havocs you were already lost.

[trim badger]

Seeing lots of venting shriek

[void dragon]

Start smoking for him I guess?

[old cobalt]

TBF You're also assuming high havocs.

The player base does actually have like. A spectrum of what they enjoy.

[tall torrent]

It’s just an insurance pick I don’t see what’s particularly wrong with it

[trim badger]

Would a +5% work for that?

[tall torrent]

Going toughness instead is like 1 extra shot from a gunner u can take

[hearty panther]

My insurance is being the best player ever.

[snow valve]

but it doesn't matter what you pick at anything other than high havocs

you could run with green curios

[open fossil]

All the enemies that are going to fuck you are gonna do damage to your health anyways

[void dragon]

Feel that HP curio us better for melee builds to avoid that scenarios, and full thougness for the gunner that must clean ranged fodder or specials at distance

[old cobalt]

It is absolutely wild that this chat will actively dog on players for choosing the curios that they perform best with because its not the meta

[snow valve]

if we are thinking about optimising a build i am already in the high havoc mindset

[old cobalt]

Like. If you perform best with it, USE IT.

[honest quiver]

the whole "meta" conversation sucks

[open fossil]

I mean there are some pretty clear and obvious metas tho

Like duelling sword

[trim badger]

DS still meta after all the nerfs and fixes lolololol

[snow valve]

but also you have to have your conversation around an envelope, are you looking for the best thing to slot in or not?

[open fossil]

Literally lmfao

[snow valve]

if not then you're just talking in circles

[old cobalt]

I use meta in games as a STARTING POINT of what to explore. There are 100% games I will choose off meta picks because I'm just better with them

[void dragon]

It is? I usually like it to figure the highest I can go to figure from there what I want

[honest quiver]

it's not that deep of a game

people getting shit on for picking certain curios is insane

[trim badger]

Guys I know what we need to diversify Darktide

[old cobalt]

yeah thats kinda crazy

[old cobalt]

its ok im black im carrying

[trim badger]

We clearly need Darktide Versus mode

[void dragon]

A new DS mk?

[fair shale]

Give it uh, a decade lol

[stuck gorge]

We don’t need trappers sniping crossmap to net someone

[open fossil]

I think its important to debate this shit tho cause otherwise i wouldnt know why what im choosing is particularly better

[snow valve]

i agree with stinger here

[fair shale]

I do too

I like knowing why I do somwthing

[trim badger]

somehow finds a way to glitch people into walls like hookrat does

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/no-saltzpyre-gif-3758055130217920575

[honest quiver]

what is "better" is relative, as evidenced by what people have been arguing about here

if you really want to know what is better, consult the data

[void dragon]

Yeah, it is not so clear what is the actual meta, specially with so many followers of the Games lantern builds

[tall torrent]

Basically
Health curio for insurance from burster instakill
Toughness curio to take 1 extra shot from gunner
You decide what matters more to u

[old cobalt]

TBF I also feel like people asking questions in this server don't specify enough. If you want a question answered, specify expectations. State what you want to do, what difficulty you're playing on, what you are willing and not willing to change, etc.

[stuck gorge]

I managed to glitch someone into a wall my first life as hook rat purely on accident

[mortal aspen]

there was a clip of a trapper pulling someone from a one way drop

so basically the same thing

[trim badger]

For vet it's pretty clear IMO, the only thing I'm doubting is skirmisher or the +25 toughness being better

That's all

[tall torrent]

Why can’t u take both

[trim badger]

LOL

[trim badger]

Cuz moar good stuff elsewhere

[tall torrent]

Where

[old cobalt]

oh god vet can actually get

quite a lot of health

[void dragon]

Ergo, there is no clear vision of the meta

[open fossil]

Vet can get like plus 300 hp

If you put all your eggs into that basket

Lmfao

[old cobalt]

My health curios bring me to 233 HP, 115 Toughness lmao

[trim badger]

For 1 talent pick the meta is not basically clear?

Hmm

[old cobalt]

i def need to uhh

fix that

[snow valve]

i think there's enough damage in vet tree that skirmisher is not needed

[void dragon]

"cuz moar good stuff elsewhere" end quote

[snow valve]

i still 1shot mutant in head with poke without skirmisher

[old cobalt]

okay i gotta ask

did they buff recon lasgun???

[tall torrent]

Nah this not worth

[snow valve]

they buffed vet

[trim badger]

I was finding the build :(((

[old cobalt]

no tf it aint

[old cobalt]

yeah no i feel like my damage straight doubled

[tame lodge]

Back in 2024

[old cobalt]

no i mean like with the last patch

[tall torrent]

Mega stacking hp while taking less toughness on vet is not the play

[turbid ibex]

The last patch was in 2024

[trim badger]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f58a4ba-9a0c-4cec-8d03-9f4535122a62/dream-vet-havoc-40

Field improv instead of serrated blade if no Beacon Zealot

Still doubting if skirmisher or 25 toughness better

That's all this is what brings them biggest numbers

[old cobalt]

wh

[void dragon]

Hey, I'm not shaming, I do like the thrill of taking more damage because at the end of the day, being aware of corners to slide sprint will be more defense than any toughness

[old cobalt]

tf you call the last content update then?

[turbid ibex]

2024

Wake up

[old cobalt]

ok

[turbid ibex]

Its been a whole year

[tall torrent]

Drop marksman and ammo

Ez

[old cobalt]

tbh at least its not tf2

[trim badger]

I'm not dropping ammo when I'm the only one shooting gunners

Marksman destroys everything tho

[old cobalt]

its been 9 years since the last tf2 major update

[trim badger]

My acc with DS headshots is very high

[old cobalt]

[tall torrent]

Red nodes’ value went down from CDR nerf

[trim badger]

I'm aware but marksman still marksman

[tall torrent]

And the ammo pick is minuscule in the grand scheme of things

[mortal aspen]

that's not a hard breakpoint to meet, because everything oneshots mutants with a poke to the head

[grand perch]

marksmans is not really needed for plasma

[trim badger]

Who says it's for plasma

[honest quiver]

your build...

[trim badger]

It's for the DS

[honest quiver]

that's why they said plasma

[trim badger]

And I'm clarifying it's mostly for tHe DS

[snow valve]

in body mb

[honest quiver]

i am aware you are using marksman for DS

[old cobalt]

question: what to yall bind ping to for FT?

[void dragon]

I swear sometimes I don't understand the process. Feel that we know what is kinda good but we have no idea what actual meta is, specially since it changes per weapon ever so slightly

[trim badger]

T

[honest quiver]

just enjoy the game

experiment, read the data

[tall torrent]

Wat

[snow valve]

the meta changes based on what our game goals are though

like, what's your comp?

do you trust your teammates?

[honest quiver]

or just listen to whoever says they're the best h40 player in the game

[trim badger]

@tall torrent will reconsider ammo but marksman is a must stay tho, it helps shredding bosses so much faster

[old cobalt]

I wish we could bind ping to multiple keys :c

[trim badger]

Also reducing crusher thresshold to only 3 hits with my setup but hehe

[hot aurora]

what ranged weapon can i use to kill snipers or long range targets? on several guides they use revolver with 1 ammo or plasma gun but i dont like any of those 2

[old cobalt]

or have per-class/character keybindings

[honest quiver]

dog whistle mod's pretty good

[trim badger]

Plasma, helbore, bolt pistol, revolver

[old cobalt]

ya like I want ping bound to T and M2

[void dragon]

That's more of my feeling, it's not so easy to notice for me what is actual meta for each case, feels quite easy to fall into gameslantern builds instead

[old cobalt]

for vet

[tame lodge]

Snipers? Shotgun

[mortal aspen]

mouse scroll up

[tame lodge]

[trim badger]

Same for special attack

[tall torrent]

Nah that’s way too steep of a drop lol

[old cobalt]

I want to be able to ping without ADSing but auto-highlighting what I am at is -real- nice

[fair shale]

I have ping bound to MB5

[hot aurora]

*plasma can hit targets 20+ meters away ? i will try bolt pistol and helbore ty

[tame lodge]

Long range targets?
Vigilants, Lasgun, Laspistol

[void dragon]

Don't underestimate my stupidity mate

[tame lodge]

Bolter

[trim badger]

Plasma has infinite range as all weapons do

[snow valve]

plasma is a crazy sniper that can cleave through anything to get to your target, even if the entire horde is in between you will still kill the gunner with a crit bodyshot

[old cobalt]

bolt pistol is just revolver with some chest hair

but its great

[hot aurora]

oh ok i thought it was hitting like a cone i didnt see any projectile , i guess i will just train plasma more i did only 2 games with it

[snow valve]

that's why the plasma is meta

[old cobalt]

i mean i still use revolver on like my zealot because I love how quick the little bastard is but

[tame lodge]

How to say worse revolver without saying worse revolver

[mortal aspen]

double barrel shotgun is the best sniper killer

[honest quiver]

triple barrel

[snow valve]

best sniper killer is arbites dog

[void dragon]

Feel that Bistol is a more general use than revolver, the reload might not be as bad, but it feels bad for me

[tame lodge]

It's actually Throwing Knives

[trim badger]

When you're on a job interview and they ask you about your weaknesses, so you say strengths that sound like weaknesses:

[void dragon]

Lies, it's rock

[old cobalt]

Yeah, Bolt Pistol is if you want a revolver that does more than quickly pop specials

[snow valve]

bolt pistol is my favourite gun in the game

[mortal aspen]

revolver kills crushers

[sonic pecan]

are the new marks on bolt weapons still trash or did they hotfix them

[old cobalt]

but also who cares revolver

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-of-the-north-star-hokuto-no-ken-hey-as-long-as-it-works-as-long-as-it-works-winging-it-gif-5037582307183355084

[tame lodge]

Still trash

[snow valve]

it's so fucking delicious when you have puncture and lethal proximity

[void dragon]

Yeah, you want bolter to kill stuff like the trappers and flamers, revolver is more anti elite sometimes

[trim badger]

They tried to add onto perfection

[old cobalt]

I wouldn't say its the best gun in the game, but if you asked me to ONLY ever use ONE gun? Bolt Pistol.

[trim badger]

(I still laugh at them nerfing bolter ammo)

[tame lodge]

That being said

[trim badger]

(it did nothing)

[snow valve]

you smack a horde point blank and stagger them for enough space to drop your shredder grenade

[tame lodge]

AoE for the AoE god

Crowd Control for the cc throne

[snow valve]

and then pound bleed stacks on the monstrosity

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is like the furthest thing apart from “perfection” lol everything about that gun is off

[snow valve]

speak for yourself

[old cobalt]

i wont tolerate that kinda slander

[snow valve]

bolts for the bolt god

[hearty panther]

I like the sound the new bolt guns make if nothing else.

[old cobalt]

BP is gr8

[tall torrent]

Most dogshit breakpoint gun ever

[snow valve]

pistols for the pistol throne

[trim badger]

Shhh it's My beloved bolt pistol, I don't wanna hear your heretic words

[old cobalt]

Because it feels fun to use and i like the sounds it makes

[snow valve]

heresy

[tall torrent]

They cooked its design into well done

[snow valve]

you know what I love though, SPEARHEAD BOLTGUN

FUCK YEAH

that thing slaps

[hearty panther]

If they relit the candle on the front sight of that one bistol skin it would be s tier again

[old cobalt]

A moment of silence for the brother who has fallen so far into meta-slavery he has forgotten what it was like to simply have fun.

🙏

[sonic pecan]

f

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol so ass that upon realizing it was the best sniping gun for arb at launch I was genuinely flabbergasted

[snow valve]

f

[void dragon]

Let's call us Frank and face the fact that good breakpoint weapons are fun

[snow valve]

what's so fucked about the bolt pistol breakpoints man

[old cobalt]

Yes, but a gun does not need to have good breakpoints to be fun.

[snow valve]

on my nades vet built it onetaps gunners head, flamers body, and oneshots all specials

[void dragon]

Eeeeeeeeeee I don't know about that... Do you have examples?

[old cobalt]

Anything you have fun with. It's fun. It's subjective.

[snow valve]

bolt pistol is genuinely just a fun, solid weapon

it's not a plasma gun

[old cobalt]

I like the bolt pistol because it sounds beefy and looks cool

[snow valve]

but it is the next best thing for vet

[sonic pecan]

should have added plasma pistol

[old cobalt]

its just fun

[sonic pecan]

:/

[open fossil]

Should've added melta

[void dragon]

But you can have fun on objective events and goals

[sonic pecan]

should have added basilisks

[old cobalt]

inferno pistol when?

[open fossil]

When baneblade

[sonic pecan]

next patch

[void dragon]

Heavy flamer please, and a side order of Power fist

[sonic pecan]

so 2031

[void dragon]

3040

[sonic pecan]

:l

[tall torrent]

There’re just way better designed & more fun weapons above it

[old cobalt]

counterpoint: Bolt pistol

you cannot argue about what is fun

because fun is subjective

[honest quiver]

why do people glaze that gun so much

[old cobalt]

cause we find it fun lmao

[honest quiver]

i like actually hitting the things i'm aiming at personally

[mortal aspen]

the new bolter is really fun ngl

[honest quiver]

i have it on my zealot, it is cool, but idk

[old cobalt]

I use revolver on my zealot

[honest quiver]

not gonna use it on vet........

[old cobalt]

but i do swap to BP sometimes for the memes

[tall torrent]

Almost everything is more fun than “I missed the 1 shot by 100 damage”

[old cobalt]

Lower the difficulty.

If something is fun but bad, lower the difficulty.

if you dont like lower difficulty, its not fun for you

that doesnt mean it cant be fun for other people lmao

[tall torrent]

It can be fun for others

[honest quiver]

jeez this is getting aggressive

[tall torrent]

I also don’t rly care what other people are running

[honest quiver]

do u guy s wannt a see a pupy

[pseudo fiber]

Yay

[honest quiver]

dog g :)

[tall torrent]

I’m not gonna pretend like it’s well designed because it’s the furthest thing from it

[old cobalt]

who said it was?

[turbid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705816362341367832/1391778571156197386/caption.gif

[old cobalt]

holy shit GTTOD??

other people know that game exists?

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/miloie-cat-kitten-cry-meow-gif-700604971257527963

[tall torrent]

Badly designed ≈ not fun to me

[old cobalt]

What hellbore models are best for what btw?

If I'm gonna be trying it out

[tame lodge]

Mk4

Best for everything

[old cobalt]

got it ty

[tame lodge]

Mk3 is best for beginners though

Mk5 is faster charging

[honest quiver]

for my build i chose Mk V because it's the most ammo efficient - 2 shots per, fast charging, bayonet special, etc

[old cobalt]

Why is MK3 > MK4 for beginners?

[honest quiver]

mk 4 uses 9 ammo per shot

[old cobalt]

I -do- like ammo efficiency

[honest quiver]

mk 3 uses 6

i think it's 6 anyway

[old cobalt]

im running Mk. XII Recon right now

[honest quiver]

lemme make sure

[tall torrent]

IV is the game of “how much do I have to charge it to 1 tap”

[old cobalt]

3a is 6 on charge ya

[tall torrent]

Because for a lot of enemies u don’t need to full charge to 1 shot

IV is also very unwieldy with the long charge time

[old cobalt]

So
Mk. IIIa for ease of use
Mk. IV for best all around
Mk. V for ammo efficiency?

[tall torrent]

Ease of use is V tbh

IIIa is balanced all around

[old cobalt]

time to gamble!

[tall torrent]

However IV saves u some point spec on damage because it hits so hard u kinda don’t need superiority complex or longshot for it

[old cobalt]

ill probs skip on 4

and probably use Mk. V

[tame lodge]

Casual Helbore W as always

[old cobalt]

oh sweet

i got 60% stability in 2 rolls

[tame lodge]

Mk4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game
But really slow charge and the worst bayonet

[honest quiver]

i tried to switch back to the mk V from mk IIIa and i got a bluescreen

[old cobalt]

n e a t

[honest quiver]

god is telling me something

[old cobalt]

is it optimal to concencrate whites to greens or blues for sacrifice?

[tame lodge]

Greens

[honest quiver]

damn i might use the mk IIIa

[trim badger]

I love mk4

[honest quiver]

V is way faster but that little damage boost is nice

[trim badger]

Reapers begone

[old cobalt]

MK4 is just the "fuck you" cannon right?

[trim badger]

Haven't tried it in Havoc against plasma gunners tho

[old cobalt]

if the MK4 cant delete it nothing can?

[trim badger]

Probably yeah

[old cobalt]

I take it run Surgical + Hotshot for the Lasgun crit build?

[tall torrent]

Surgical + armorbane

Armorbane because plasma gunner & crusher

[old cobalt]

got it

[tall torrent]

Most of the rest don’t matter much

[honest quiver]

goated?

[tall torrent]

Meh

[trim badger]

Used to run the one that made it recharge faster but yeah armourbane seems better now with them plasma gunners

[honest quiver]

the 10 stack requirement is a bit steep

[hearty panther]

The 15% rending payoff isn't enough

[hollow ibex]

on mk4? armorbane is overkill imo

makes sense on mk5/3

[tall torrent]

It’s alr still

[hollow ibex]

i need my RPM

[void dragon]

Question: is that true even on Havocs? Does it need only Exe stance to reach the 2 tap on crushers in that difficulty?

Aside from MMF I mean

[hearty panther]

IV returns to its rightful throne as a ranged thunder hammer.

[tall torrent]

Ur not 2 tapping havoc max crushers sorry

It’s just not a good breakpoint to build for

That’s 2 crit headshots with loads of conditional buffs

[void dragon]

Maybe not super buffed by modifiers but base ones I was able to, probably should try some mods on them to see the difference

[hearty panther]

-laughs in stims-

"DIDENT HURT"

[tame lodge]

"Ogryn too strong"

[void dragon]

x4 times health crushers are spooky

[tame lodge]

canned laughter

[tall torrent]

U need to do ~4.9k per shot to 2 tap a havoc crusher

[void dragon]

Doesn't sounds that hard

[tame lodge]

If you hit a 19500 HP crusher for 1950 Dmg or less

Those lines should play

Because that's the condition iirc

[old cobalt]

okay if i use hellbore i am

gonna have to not run VoC

[tall torrent]

VoC is not required anymore

Exe is situationally better

[old cobalt]

I know I just prefer it

[void dragon]

Voc is fine for cc, but not mandatory

[old cobalt]

Im a support slut

but hellbore seems like it'd benefit REALLY well from ES

[void dragon]

Kindred spirit! Hi-five

[tall torrent]

Exe be like
intended use: ranged dps
actual use: wallhack + toughness/s + stun immunity

[old cobalt]

VoC/Choir/Taunt/Bubble

I know what I'm about

i just want the wallhacks because like

[tall torrent]

Also exe fixes power sword’s bug lol

[old cobalt]

losing a flashlight and also having to charge makes aiming significantly harder

[atomic void]

?

[tall torrent]

If energized attack hits while player is stunned by an enemy attack at the same time, power sword turns off

[tame lodge]

You get stun immunity

[old cobalt]

If I run Hellbore I'll probably swap from VoC/FT to Stance/MF

[tall torrent]

However because exe stance gives stun immunity

[atomic void]

yeah i know the bug but had no idea exe fixes it lmfao

[tall torrent]

Power sword will never turn off

[atomic void]

im all for exe meta baby

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15209074807552695851/39B9EAF9C1A6EBF9F4F7731A2338C09088479FF5/

[hearty panther]

The 8 second duration node is so fucken tight

[old cobalt]

running MF on the lasgun build is probably way better was well lmao

no 5 point tax

[atomic void]

mfw

fatshark's masterplan to nerf voc by not actually nerfing it and just making the cooldown longer and exe stance more fun to use

[old cobalt]

its a shame you can't copy builds in game

[atomic void]

[old cobalt]

wait til they fuck it up by removing the CD tax/AoE reduction on Only In Death

[void dragon]

That's a genius synergy I would never figure, time to give my Exe stance builds a Psword then

[old cobalt]

So if I run hellbore alt build

looks like I'm running Hellbore/Power Sword + EXE/MF

[hearty panther]

Eight seconds of refreshing stun immunity. We love Xstance 2025

[old cobalt]

what do i talent into for the ES sub-tree?

[hearty panther]

8 seconds

[old cobalt]

ETP as well?

[hearty panther]

fuck is that

[tall torrent]

Exe rn is basically arb’s EO highlight + passive toughness gain on steroids

[hearty panther]

oh right

[old cobalt]

Enhanced Target Priority

[hearty panther]

no

[tall torrent]

It’s literally all I use it for

[old cobalt]

Counter-Fire seems to make the stance actively worse

[tall torrent]

The ranged damage bonus is a side benefit to help breakpoints to me lol

[tall torrent]

Ogryn highlight

[hearty panther]

its so fucken good

[old cobalt]

so you DONT talent for elite highlight for allies?

[tall torrent]

I literally meme and run knife + DB with exe stance now

[sly orchid]

Isnt that built in now?

[hearty panther]

youll keep your stance up for a medically concerning length of time

[tall torrent]

No

[old cobalt]

no

[void dragon]

I use counter fire with Mk5 for an anti fodder gunner Infantry lasgun if it was not garbo

[old cobalt]

mmmh. So if I'm using infantry lasgun no

[crude wind]

Agree counterfire feels terrible now

[old cobalt]

but it might be good for hellbore

[tall torrent]

All my vet builds rn use exe stance and not for the ranged dps lmao

[crude wind]

I'm 8s node on every exe build

[void dragon]

Infantry lasgun WISHES it was Mk5 helbore

[hearty panther]

Disagree, it still feels good but 8s feels significantly better.

[old cobalt]

why not take both?

[tall torrent]

U can’t

[crude wind]

You can't

[old cobalt]

oh

im

[tall torrent]

Mutually exclusive lockout

[crude wind]

Counter fire just feels pointless

[old cobalt]

tripping

[hearty panther]

Nix is hacking

[old cobalt]

mixed C-F and ETP

[crude wind]

Unless you struggle to see regular dudes

[hollow ibex]

i like counterfire

that's the shooter regen node for ES right

[hearty panther]

Ogryn 8s just lets me play full melee vet

[hollow ibex]

not the ally highlight node

[void dragon]

Not when the small gunners are flying around surrounding you and shooting you from all directions

[crude wind]

But you almost always get the full exe stance cool down duration with the 8s node

[old cobalt]

cf is shooter highlight

etp is highlight for allies

[void dragon]

It's the bastards-with-guns-be-GONE

[hollow ibex]

yeah i like it for regen

[crude wind]

And you don't drop stance because someone shot the chaff unit you were about to headshot

[hollow ibex]

because sometimes there just aren't ogryns to regen off of

so would rather have the flexibility of shooting trash to regen

[old cobalt]

I just use sheer volume of fire to solve my problems

[mortal aspen]

permanent 10%\s toughness feels pretty good

[crude wind]

It regens off any special or elite

[old cobalt]

like a god damn american

[crude wind]

Not just ogryns

[hollow ibex]

yeah for base ES right?

[crude wind]

And 8s node

[old cobalt]

you cant miss if you shove 500 rounds downrange before the zealot can sneeze

[hollow ibex]

yeah idk sometimes doesn't feel like enough

[tall torrent]

Nah the 8s window to kill a single special/elite is very generous

[void dragon]

The counter fire is for the small enemies because those on higher difficulties will become an issue fast

If no oneis hunting them

[hollow ibex]

it's not a single, i usually want to kill multiple to keep it going

[old cobalt]

okay so ES is

if you can kill 1 specialist every 8 seconds for 30 seconds

[hollow ibex]

and sometimes the game is just sending chaff units

[old cobalt]

it has no cd

[stiff fulcrum]

Can anyone help me with the just a flesh wound pennance

I need at least 1 person

[void dragon]

There are sections that the game just sends fodder Nonstop

[tall torrent]

If u kill 1 elite/special every 8s it never runs out

[old cobalt]

o h\

thats

o h

okay

[tall torrent]

Also highly recommend the ConstantFov mod so exe stance doesn’t narrow ur fov

[hollow ibex]

that shit is actually so annoying

trying to melee

while having a fucking magnifying glass applied to the screen

[tall torrent]

@crude wind can we get exe stance to not reduce FOV at least as a game setting please

[old cobalt]

oh so you dont want the like

[crude wind]

I fucking wish

[void dragon]

Funny but I actually like it because I have difficulty to aim to small long distance enemies, and never had issues to melee while it happens

[crude wind]

Legit hate that

[old cobalt]

you dont WANT your allies to kill targets highlighted by etp in some situations

[pseudo fiber]

Can we have it increase the fov further

[crude wind]

Hahahaha

[old cobalt]

you need the specialist kills to extend duration

[hollow ibex]

all those kills belong to me

[tall torrent]

Yes

[old cobalt]

i wanna see the fucking pores on the gunner shooting me from 80 yards

[hollow ibex]

the more allies yoink kills, the less regen i have

[mortal aspen]

elites count too

[old cobalt]

yeah both

[mortal aspen]

there's enough for everyone

[tall torrent]

That node I only consider for lights out / vent purge

[void dragon]

If they are yours you shall claim them before the unworthy take them

[mortal aspen]

it's just 1 elite every 8s, and the actual CD is more like 20-25, not 30

[pseudo fiber]

I use it with a smoke build pretty fun

[void dragon]

Honestly, the highlight for team needs some other benefits, I can't see a reason to take it nowadays

[old cobalt]

can i get a quick example of a left-tree build for ES/MF?

[hollow ibex]

yeah which is why i don't take ally highlight to give them a legs up lol

[old cobalt]

i have never used any of those

[tall torrent]

If it made exe refresh from teammates’ kills then yes

[void dragon]

I'm supporting my team by shooting those myself

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f61c314-2870-469e-b9e7-8d4ce6d057fc/machinegun-helbore

for helbore specifically

[old cobalt]

thank

[void dragon]

That would be busted I reckon

[tall torrent]

Nah

Still not as op as psyker

[tame lodge]

Make it one of those 360° videos

[old cobalt]

I went Field Improv/Opening Salvo for support/ammo econ on vet instead of trench fighter/serrated, that fine?

[void dragon]

Sparkhead must be op, I told you my soul is that worth in this economy

[old cobalt]

R-Las build obvs

[hollow ibex]

that's fine though i don't think opening salvo is that much value tbh

[old cobalt]

actually

i might be misinterpeting

does 20% ammo mean

You have fired an amount of bullets equal to 20% of your mag

or

you have fired 20% of your mag

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo grants crit chance as long as ur ammo exceeds 80% of mag size

[old cobalt]

So wouldnt that be -real- good with Shock Troop?

[tall torrent]

Well

[hollow ibex]

it's ok

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s that strong tbh

[hollow ibex]

yeah i don't think it's worth a point

[tall torrent]

I’d rather take deadshot

[hollow ibex]

i ultimately chose not to take it on helbore

[old cobalt]

No? Damn. I thought a self-cycling feedback loop that gave crit-chance and ammo econ'd be solid

[tall torrent]

Deadshot is ok for helbore rn cuz u get 0.5s regen delay for going to shock trooper

[old cobalt]

kk

ill keep field improv but swap out salvo for serrated blade

[heavy rover]

Deadshot on helbore?

I feel like deadshot would work better on infantry las

[grand perch]

its less waiting for surge stacks

[old cobalt]

how the fuck does deadshot work on infantry las? Genuine quest

whats infantry las's altfire?

the flashlight?

[tall torrent]

Ads

[old cobalt]

THATS WHAT IT MEANS BY ALT FIRE?

[heavy rover]

Yes

[tall torrent]

What did u think

[grand perch]

oh you thought it applied to helbore bayonet?

thats legit funny

[old cobalt]

i never really thought about it

but ive literally never heard a game refer to ADS as anything other than ads

what psychopath calls it fucking alt fire? This isn't 1995, there are RULES in the game industry

ADS is called ADS and nothing else

[hollow ibex]

imo take field improv OR serrated blade on a helbore build

[tall torrent]

Because there’re guns that don’t ads in this game

[hollow ibex]

taking both is a bit of a waste

[heavy rover]

Here's mine that I run btw. Even though it's VoC there's enough flexibility in the build to swap to ES https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-havoc

[old cobalt]

oh my god

yeah no they just straight up call it secondary action

this fills me with an unreasonable amount of rage

[hearty panther]

smh this is what u get for not reading the glossary first

[tall torrent]

Because there’s no “aiming down sights” with melee weapon

[old cobalt]

they could have labeled it ADS/Block or something

[tall torrent]

Yes

[old cobalt]

idk just not SECONDARY ACTION

that makes me so unreasonably mad lmao

[tall torrent]

Also don’t take both

Not worth

[hollow ibex]

i mean some weapon weapons don't have ADS or block

[old cobalt]

wdym both?

[hollow ibex]

they don't have either

[old cobalt]

Field Improv + Serrated Blade?

[hollow ibex]

oh

yeah don't take both

they're tax nodes

[tall torrent]

If u already have field improv don’t go for serrated

[old cobalt]

then i aint taking serrated

i like field improv

i can help :D

[mortal aspen]

but some weapons have neither

[heavy rover]

Excuse me that's my job gestures name

[old cobalt]

what weapon cant ads or block

[hollow ibex]

braced auto guns

[turbid ibex]

Double barrel

[hollow ibex]

a lot of guns don't ADS

[old cobalt]

THATS CLOSE ENOUGH TO ADSING

[old cobalt]

thats fair

[tall torrent]

Serrated is ok on like 3 weapons

Power sword (cleave 40+ to distribute bleed to mixed horde)

Tac axe (actually hits things a lot to kill)

Knife (hits things a lot + mercy killer)

[old cobalt]

so for hellbore run percision strikes

for recon run deadshot

[tall torrent]

No

Precision strikes first and foremost

[heavy rover]

Holy shit I never thought about that. Sunder on power sword with serrated

[turbid ibex]

Sundae on pord

[old cobalt]

wait

[tall torrent]

It’s also team support since ogryn gets DR with bleed and zealot gets crit chance

[old cobalt]

if im not taking serrated or weapon swing speed

i can just take both lmao

[heavy rover]

Oh shit you're right

[old cobalt]

but if im running deadshot i 100% need a stam curio ya?

[tall torrent]

Ya

[old cobalt]

got it

ill swap my stuff out

Enough health to hit the 100 gate and a lil bit more, toughness and stam

[sly orchid]

I should swap headtaker to decimator on taxe vet

[tall torrent]

I still run headtaker

Don’t like Decimator

[hollow ibex]

i hate deci i hate deci i hate deci

[sly orchid]

Decent for bossing

But does take some skill to keep up

[old cobalt]

okay so on my curios running DR Gunner, +5% Toughness and 12% Stam Regen on 2 of them

any suggestions for Curio 3 perks?

[tame lodge]

At least 1 Sniper res

[old cobalt]

thaaaats what i was forgetting

[turbid ibex]

Mutant resist

[old cobalt]

Sniper/Mutant resist and toughness bump

[orchid hemlock]

All bomber resist 😈

[hollow ibex]

mutuant resist

[old cobalt]

if i get corner trapped by another fucking tox bomber i just might

[orchid hemlock]

If there was poxburster resist I would take that shit in a heartbeat

[faint beacon]

Plasma + Tox Bomber combo

[turbid ibex]

Box tomber

[orchid hemlock]

Wait does gunner resist work on plasma?

[hollow ibex]

that's called corrupt resist

[turbid ibex]

They asked for suggestions

[tall torrent]

U can’t run same perk on all 3 slots in 1 curio so it’s better to split them across multiple if u want to go for 2/2/2/3 mix

[tall torrent]

Ofc not

[orchid hemlock]

It reduces the corruption you get from the pox bursters, but not the actual damage

[turbid ibex]

Never specified for good suggestions

[old cobalt]

im probably gonna go Sniper Resist, Corruption Resist, Toughness on curio 3

[orchid hemlock]

Nah

[old cobalt]

because Corruption resist is just "Resist everything that pisses me off in this game"

[hollow ibex]

i mean that's a good portion of the damage tbf

[old cobalt]

i dont care if its meta i want to make a tox bomber watch as introduce his family to a heavy flamer

tox bombers make me want to become an active terrorist in game

I hate them with every fiber of my being why the fuck is their aoe SO GOD DAMN BIG

[orchid hemlock]

I take 3 gunner resist

But that is because of Havoc

[old cobalt]

yeah no i hated leveling and going around a corner to see 6 gunners just waiting like the casting couch meme

with just enough time to go "Ah, beans" before I was suddenly cosplaying a cheese grater

[orchid hemlock]

It's not soo much that they are scary

It is more of the fact that I am always getting shot at

But I'm just dogshit if

Tanner told me just to "dodge the gunners" 😈

[old cobalt]

What I'm running right now is

Gunner / Gunner / Sniper
Toughness / Toughness / Toughness
Stam / Stam / Corruption

but the stam/stam/stam was because i didnt have a stam curio

stam recovery that is

[heavy rover]

That's also why like running exhilarated takedown with my helbore build

[old cobalt]

had that slightly off

[orchid hemlock]

I would still take SE over Stamina Regen tbh

[willow canyon]

Dude the new gunners are crazy 😭

[orchid hemlock]

Not a lot of vet melees have a push spam

[willow canyon]

Shot once and half my health is gone with 3 20% gunner res 💔

[heavy rover]

Yeah smokes are your best friend. Or kraks if you can stick them on their heads

[old cobalt]

Smokes are super underrated

Im tired of people glazing shredder nades

[hollow ibex]

because they'er doing literally nothing against plasma gunners

[heavy rover]

I'm always running smokes unless it's havoc with rotten armour or encroaching garden

[willow canyon]

Oh

[old cobalt]

lmao

[willow canyon]

I’m dumb

[old cobalt]

nah it makes sense

has gunner IN THE NAME

one would expect it to work on them

(it does not)

[mortal aspen]

doesn't work vs shotGUNNERs either

[old cobalt]

i mean thats not a seperate word

tbf

[willow canyon]

I think the new ones need a little nerf

Cuz holy

[old cobalt]

they already nerfed them lmao

[willow canyon]

Especially if there’s more than one

[willow canyon]

Oh I haven’t been on

But when I was

[hollow ibex]

yesterday

[willow canyon]

Holy shit

[hollow ibex]

hotfix

they're still annoying tho

[old cobalt]

#📢news-bulletin message

peep

[willow canyon]

I just get shot once and half my body gets blown apart

[pseudo fiber]

They still do damage

[willow canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/plaqueboymax-gif-5567312208699126975

[old cobalt]

yeah no i didnt play before their nerf

took a break to play 60 hours of CYBERPUNK

Don't abbreviate cyberpunk

[heavy rover]

That was a hell of a save

[old cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[willow canyon]

Fucking peak

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-hank-walter-screaming-walter-yelling-gif-26473309

[old cobalt]

yes dadd-- i mean

sure

[willow canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-sad-sad-flight-flight-frown-whatchu-mean-speed-gif-16301558380807666913

[old cobalt]

I got cheated out of romancing Jackie, Takemura -and- Johnny. What did I get in turn? River?

I got fucking scammed.

[willow canyon]

I wanted songbird

But no

[old cobalt]

havent done PL yet

i really want to but i am

very poor

[willow canyon]

Yo

It’s so peak

[old cobalt]

I KNOW BUT IM BROKE

i have ZERO spoilers

i dont even know if songbird is male/female

[willow canyon]

Female

[old cobalt]

or the plot

or anything

Im trying to stay spoiler free till i can buy it

[willow canyon]

it’s like a whole another story

[old cobalt]

time to uhhh

try ES

it will be scary going in without my panic button

VoC into "run the fuck away" is peak combo

[sly orchid]

How do you romance an engram

[willow canyon]

Self love?

Idk

[old cobalt]

its called being asexual

[mortal aspen]

AI-sexual

[willow canyon]

Veteran buffs fell amazing

feel

[old cobalt]

THEY REALLY DO\

[willow canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-milk-funny-cute-baby-monkey-gif-15019805952195496764

[honest quiver]

monky dinking mik

[mortal aspen]

Idris Bilbo is the villain

(i haven't played it)

[turbid ibex]

Bilbo from hit movie the hobbit based on hit book the hobbit?

Big if true

[old cobalt]

HOLY SHIT

COMBAT STIM + ES

IS GROSS

[paper salmon]

which armor set is this?

[willow canyon]

Wdym by ES

[old cobalt]

exe stance

[willow canyon]

Oh

[hollow ibex]

Drugs are good for you

[willow canyon]

I would use ex but my aim sucks on Xbox

And my right stick has stick drift

[faint beacon]

Steel Legion Alt set

Old one

Very old

[native hamlet]

thanks for the info y'all have given me. so much clarity for what to go for in my builds, and alas another worshipper of the iron will cult

[deep shell]

yall anyone know the name of the mode that lets you pick mission that arent in the rotation atm?

[hybrid plover]

I've been moving on exclusively to ES tbh

[old cobalt]

es is crack

holy shit

i popped a combat stim and es and even a crusher just got melted

didnt matter i was using a recon lasgun

dead

i wasnt even aiming at the fucking thing lmao

[trail night]

Is anyone else having issues pulling their grenades or stims?

I've tried rebinding but nothing still.

[old cobalt]

nope

theyre just not coming out?

wait whats your platform

[trail night]

Yeah just acts like I'm not pressing it when I try to pull the grenade or stim out

PC

[old cobalt]

uhh

internet says if that happens just press tab

and it should fix

but that bug was patched like 2 years ago

so idk why its happening now

[trail night]

Okay I'll try that, thank you so much~

[old cobalt]

np!

[trail night]

Tab worked

So that's a thing I guess haha

[old cobalt]

we love bug fixes from 2 years ago lmao

aparrently this is a bug that just

comes and goes?

im seeing reports of it from the v2 launch and april but nothing recently

[trail night]

Well I really appreciate the help, thanks so much!

[honest quiver]

input needed!! https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0029988-54e1-4fe6-abb8-34248d5fedb3/kriegsman-enjoyer-exec-stance-version

[heavy rover]

Personally I suggest swapping out rending strikes and your WS side talents to reach shock trooper and extra modifiers for marksman focus

[topaz token]

I need some advice. I'm playing a crit heavy laspistol build, but idk what to use for my melee. got a dueling sword atm but it feels way weaker than before, especially for crushers (my slowest to kill). any tips for what else I can use instead?

[heavy rover]

You can also swap trench fighter drills to get to field improvisation so you can get more breathing room for grenades. Plus it helps the rest of the team too

[hybrid plover]

I wouldn't recommend switching off trench fighter

Shovels a weapon that actually does strongly benefit from that alone.

Makes it far easier to keep a horde off of you

[heavy rover]

Hmm yeah that's fair

[void dragon]

feel that the bleed benefits them more, since they already have rending the bleed will do more damage on big targets

[honest quiver]

i'm not big on shock trooper with the helbore guns!! any other las gun i'd understand.
i find that it's better to have rending strikes at least to give us that little boost to our overall damage so we can hit certain auric breakpoints. i am willing to swap it for tunnel vision though, and i think once i'm actually able to play the game (it's scuffed right now for some reason), i'll test it out. on paper, it seems like a worthy swap.
field improv is... fine, and very helpful. i will consider the swap, but i'm not overly concerned for grenades on veteran in general since you get one every minute anyway. i prefer to keep TFD with serrated blade because of the fantastic bleed stacks. i will examine the speed difference between taking it and not taking it.

thank you for your input 🙇

[heavy rover]

Yeah, Tunnel Vision or Long Range Assassin are good options. I personally like running Long Range Assassin for more breathing room to keep stacks up

You can also swap the mk III helbore perks to carapace and unyielding. I also run the mk III on havoc 40's and have no issue with flak and maniac breakpoints

[honest quiver]

honestly if tunnel vision cooks, i'd rather drop out for blood for it

[heavy rover]

Yeah, good point on TFD and serrated. You won't be as reliant on shredders

With the mk III helbore and marksman focus you'll be popping off heads like no tomorrow, no harm with going for tunnel vision

[honest quiver]

i think i will swap O4B with tunnel vision

[heavy rover]

Yeah, give that a try

You've got a lot of toughness regen nodes like superiority complex and exhilarating takedown for your helbore. Tunnel vision helps you lean more into the power of the helbore

[honest quiver]

i feel like no one has yet read the descriptions

i try to put some funnies in there

[heavy rover]

Oh woops I'm on mobile, screen cut off the description lol. I'll give it a read

[hollow ibex]

Helbore without shock trooper feels pretty shit ngl

[honest quiver]

with the mk V ammo was never ever a problem

with the other marks... maybe?? i still never have an issue with it

[hollow ibex]

It sucks ass

[honest quiver]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if you're using the mk IV i definitely see why you'd want it

[hollow ibex]

Esp since Helbore gets a 12 round mag

Prob fine if you’re mostly in melee

[honest quiver]

nope

[hollow ibex]

But I just wouldn’t use helbore if I’m meleeing a lot

[honest quiver]

well that's just out of scope for these specific guides

just kriegsman larping

[hollow ibex]

Yeah idk I guess you don’t care about gun uptime that much

I do

[honest quiver]

that's nice

in this case it may work out

i'll give it a shot when the game's working again

[void dragon]

me and me CqC marksman helbore/Rashad: skill issue

[hollow ibex]

I mean none of that solves the uptime or ammo economy, unless you spend most of your time meleeing which I talked about already

Which bro said he’s not doing

So he’s just gimping himself with WS for the larp 🤷

[honest quiver]

if i use that stupid talent will you be happy and stop being rude!!

i literally said i would try it out

[void dragon]

you need to be efficien with shots, and honestly in the ammmo pool of the helbores is quite good if you are shooting crits

[honest quiver]

the ammo pool is very good idk wtf he's on about

[void dragon]

if it didnt influence ammo on mag it would be a dump stat

[honest quiver]

but apparently if you're not using shock trooper you're just bad at the game

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i guess i'm bad!!

[void dragon]

shock tropper increases the uptime of your gunnning

[honest quiver]

i never have an issue with ammo or uptime but i must be bad

like i get it

[mortal aspen]

you reload less

[honest quiver]

i understand where he is coming from

i understand YES

i KNOW

i said i would try it

my god

[deep bone]

Bruh let the guy play the game how they want damn

[mortal aspen]

no you don't understand

YOU HAVE MORE SHOTS AND RELOAD LESS

[void dragon]

in the heavier variants is more important, but even on mk5 reloading less because you have more crits done is a big dps increase

[honest quiver]

i'm sitting here telling you that i am going to use it and see if i like it

[mortal aspen]

god, how do I convince this guy

how do I reech this keed

[deep bone]

Jumping him like him not running a perk in a video game is gonna cause half the world to disintegrate lmao

[void dragon]

its fine that you LIKE something, but please dont bad mouth an infinite crit machine

[honest quiver]

who the fuck badmouthed it

did i badmouth it???

did i not explain my reason for not taking it clearly and politely???

[atomic void]

i will bad mouth infinite crit machine

it sucks

(whatever it is)

[honest quiver]

woawow@!!

[deep bone]

[void dragon]

great, i have awakened the heretics

[honest quiver]

is there any build discussion that happens here that doesn't devolve into this nonsense

[void dragon]

but nah, you didnt, but its not a bad talent to take even on that mk of helbore mate, sorry if i made you feel odd

also languaje

[honest quiver]

what??

[void dragon]

nonsense, this IS the natural development of build discussion in EVERY game

[deep bone]

I am gonna run shock trooper with vigilant auto gun

Just to be weird

[void dragon]

Duck

[deep bone]

[honest quiver]

you can swear in this server.

[mortal aspen]

[void dragon]

i know, im pulling your leg (still we shall use restrain to not fall into chaos)

[honest quiver]

anyway i got the idea, use shock trooper to boost uptime for exec stance, heard loud and clear

[mortal aspen]

why aren't you taking Demo team?

[deep bone]

I don’t use the Helbore specifically cause I don’t want to then run the krieger gear because in my head I can’t justify using it without running the gear

[void dragon]

because he is crazy

[deep bone]

And I low-key hate the Death Korp

[honest quiver]

i poop out a grenade every minute

[deep bone]

They are the Ultramarines for the guard

[sudden cedar]

Thats the Cadians.

[honest quiver]

i lay a grenade egg every minute

[mortal aspen]

yeah, but 60s cd never feels enough

[void dragon]

yes but what about second grenade?

[honest quiver]

it's enough for me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep bone]

Kriegers are so glazed and shoved into my face it bugs me

[honest quiver]

demo team is a fair swap though

[deep bone]

Plus 90% of Krieg “Fans” only know them because of shovel memes

It bugs me to no end

[honest quiver]

tbh i felt like taking born leader because i didn't take field improv

have to contribute somehow?? ig???

[void dragon]

Question: MMF stamina restoration works on melee weakspot kill?

[honest quiver]

i'm fine with swapping born leader with demo team though

[fair shale]

Most krieg fans have no idea they shattered on Vraks, killed their commissars, and retreated

[primal zealot]

mfw krieg larpers die first every time

[deep bone]

Armageddon Steel Legion are cool

[fair shale]

Muh unfeeling suicidal krieg machine men

[honest quiver]

oh my god

[deep bone]

Vostroyan are cool

[mortal aspen]

born leader is peak

[slow spade]

to be fair, they didn't feel good that morning ;c

[deep bone]

Cadians are cool because they are the standard and simple

[void dragon]

Veteran contributes with AoE from generating nades, ranged enemy disablers and bombers eraser or with some thoughness, either works imo

[sudden cedar]

Another misconception about the Death Korps. They aren't all suicidal. They will without hesitation sacrifice themselves for the Emperor, but they aren't stupid.

[deep bone]

Eleysian Drop Troopers are dope as hell

[fair shale]

Yk whos cool?

[deep bone]

Exactly

[fair shale]

Catachan Jungle Fighters

[slow spade]

me :3

[deep bone]

Real

[deep bone]

Yep

[slow spade]

:D

[honest quiver]

all i wanted was some nice, straightforward feedback like imhelping gave

[primal zealot]

more like cataCHAD

[honest quiver]

his feedback was great!!

and he was nice

[deep bone]

Savlar Chemdogs are cool

[slow spade]

my favorite would be the Maccabians if they had any chance of appearing

but I guess that's just the norm now for IG regiments lol

[deep bone]

I like all the guard regiments their all cool

[ember nest]

Most kreig fans don't understand the asthetic in the first place bro

[deep bone]

I just think Kriegers are kinda overmemed

[fair shale]

French

[deep bone]

Indeed

WW1 France

[ember nest]

Nah, ww1 trench warfare

[slow spade]

my only issue with Krieg fanboys is when they bring it into games

[ember nest]

all of it

[primal zealot]

literally everyone understands ww1 german trench fighter aesthetic

[slow spade]

because 99% of the time they're ass

[ember nest]

They have French coats, german helmets, and british masks

[honest quiver]

i'm feeling targeted

[void dragon]

its hard to find some direct answers for the topic of build optimization, i know, have tried a few times for some zealot builds with no success

[slow spade]

the Vitae Wombs are also very French

[honest quiver]

look i put shock trooper on the build

[void dragon]

if it helps, sorry

[honest quiver]

it's on the build

[ember nest]

They are ww1 but people are like "ah yes kreig sounds german so they must be german"

[honest quiver]

shock trooper is on there

[deep bone]

Kriegers Functionally use very similar Tactics to WW1 France and England

[hollow ibex]

Where do I say that. Point out please.

[fair shale]

My bad I came in here and thought we were just en masse hating krieg

[honest quiver]

your psychic attacks worked and i'm caving in to your demands

please just give me back my child

[slow spade]

brb putting shocktrooper on my plasma build

[void dragon]

Sirosky, you took his child?! (was it Astartes material?)

[turbid ibex]

putting shocktrooper on my shredder autopistol

[primal zealot]

bro i need to look like that dude in the second pic. bro is HUGE

[hollow ibex]

You have what 80 shots? It’s not as high as you think it is

[honest quiver]

what exactly is the point of this

i'm conceding

you win!!!!

[slow spade]

I'm sad the only time I got to see Catachans in a 40k game is DoW2

[fair shale]

You wanna see a fuckin funny Catachan dude?

[honest quiver]

you won!!!!

you won the argument!!!!

yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[primal zealot]

uhhhhhhhh yeaj

[void dragon]

technically he didnt because you dont believe it

[honest quiver]

when you said "uptime" it made my neurons activate

[hollow ibex]

lol is that what this is all about

[void dragon]

then again, he wasnt playing that game

[fair shale]

(Not my model) His name is Harker and he manhandles a squad heavy bolter

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[ember nest]

Did I hear WALKING BARRAGE

[honest quiver]

i was mostly joking - in all seriousness, yeah you're right about uptime

[ember nest]

Sounds like its time for a 5th WALKING BARRAGE

[honest quiver]

just trying to think about what to swap out to grab it

[ember nest]

How about an 18th WALKING BARRAGE

[primal zealot]

goals.

[slow spade]

drop Iron Will for it UwU

[fair shale]

I love this dude

[primal zealot]

real predator vibes there

[hollow ibex]

The simple solution is just to melee more

[slow spade]

Nurgle told me it would work :3

[hollow ibex]

Esp if you’re running WS

[fair shale]

Ever single Catachan named character is the coolest dude ever

[void dragon]

nah that's the dude that hunts Predators

[sudden cedar]

@deep bone Their equipment is an ensemble from the equipment of the participants of WW1 in Europe, not just England and France.

[honest quiver]

i'm not but i think i've heard enough thank you

[primal zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-movies-rule-good-movies-rule-payback-time-blain-minigun-gif-2185371058094007339

[honest quiver]

you and the five other people that told me to use shock trooper

[fair shale]

They feel very heavily inspired by 80s action movies

[honest quiver]

it makes sense!!!

[deep bone]

Ye they wear a mix

[void dragon]

I mean, they arent?

[deep bone]

It’s a cool Aesthetic

[sudden cedar]

Sly Marbo

[turbid ibex]

catachan? more like

[hollow ibex]

To take ST you’re prob gonna have to drop WS anyway unless you want to give up some really nice talents

[turbid ibex]

kittyachan

[deep bone]

Catachan are cool

[honest quiver]

i'm not using WS...

[primal zealot]

omg his bolter even has payback written on it

[honest quiver]

god is that what warhammer minis look like??

[fair shale]

Yes lmfao

[fair shale]

Some of em

[deep bone]

Unironically not wearing their Flak Armour is a good idea considering most of the enemies they fight have weapons that ignore Flak

[honest quiver]

how ugly

[fair shale]

Nobody asked you

[deep bone]

Oof

[sudden cedar]

Can we keep this civil?

[fair shale]

Lmfao

Lemme find Johnson

[honest quiver]

40k fans when you insult their ugly $70 minis

i like the big robot things

those look cool

[void dragon]

it is fine to diss the minis of the GW game

[honest quiver]

the humans all look weird

[sudden cedar]

Big Robot Things?

[deep bone]

I really want them to add more veteran skins inspired by the other Regiments

[sudden cedar]

So.. Necrons or T'au?

[honest quiver]

sure whatever

[deep bone]

Tanith First and Only skin please

[honest quiver]

all the same stuff to me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sudden cedar]

Let me rephrase it.

Do you like Gundam?

[deep bone]

I want them to not reskin the same skin 40 times over