veteran-class

[slim pulsar]

i only have the knife and dueling sword skins

knife skin is the dumbest one like it's so unrelated to krieg

[hollow ibex]

There’s a skin called old faithful or something

Not sure if it’s specific to krieg tho

[slim pulsar]

wait is shovel a vet specific melee

[turbid ibex]

yes

[slim pulsar]

why does vet have to get the lamest exclusives

[fossil creek]

excuse you

[slim pulsar]

aesthetically

not gameplay wise

[turbid ibex]

excuse you

[fossil creek]

shovel is beautiful

[slim pulsar]

compared to a thunder hammer

or relic sword

or eviscerator

[fossil creek]

https://tenor.com/view/man-utd-cheat-var-gif-19931327

[slim pulsar]

at least we got a falchion i guess

[fossil creek]

yeah jokes aside falchion is fucking sick ngl

probably my favorite rn

but i have a soft spot for chainswords too

[slim pulsar]

it's so much shorter than the one it's inspired by lol

[turbid ibex]

still peak

[hollow ibex]

Falchion buffs when

[meager echo]

what should i put on my hellbore. I feel like I holding charge button too much to take advantage of the fast charge blessing...

[hybrid plover]

Ima be real. This is actually a good thing.

[slim pulsar]

why does vet have to get only one handed melee

[hollow ibex]

Surgical always good

[turbid ibex]

imo the more ludicrous over-the-top stuff exists, the more based the "normal" stuff becomes

[slim pulsar]

i like weakspot damage because im only headshotting anyways

@meager echo

[meager echo]

what about blessing, surgical and another. Is the burn on crit good ?

[hollow ibex]

Keep weight of fire

What you have looks good

[slim pulsar]

i think weight of fire depends on the mark you're using

[hollow ibex]

Just swap maniac for carapace

[slim pulsar]

the light helbore shoots super fast already

[hollow ibex]

Nah. Machinegun helbore is the way to go

Fulll auto baby

[slim pulsar]

i use the heavy helbore so i use it

but you drain your battery super fast

[meager echo]

I have bad aim, I have to hold charge and tracking enemy a lot -.-

[slim pulsar]

oh right i use hot shot

for heashot cleave

so i can kill carapace easier

[hollow ibex]

Hotshot doesn’t help with that

[slim pulsar]

but it gives cleave

[hollow ibex]

Yeah just not against carapace

[slim pulsar]

wtf

[turbid ibex]

cleave doesnt increase your damage against single target

[slim pulsar]

i thought it ignored armor better

[turbid ibex]

thats rending

cleave makes you better at killing multiple enemies

[slim pulsar]

so all this blessing does it make me shoot through more enemies by headshotting?

thats so useless

[turbid ibex]

basically

[hybrid plover]

Or in helbore's case. Brittleness

Since armourbane does do that but in an awkward way

[slim pulsar]

i guess im taking sustained fire

[hollow ibex]

Which mark are you using?

[slim pulsar]

the heavy one

slash bayonet

slowest charge

it has less ammo so im thinking sustained fire is good

[hollow ibex]

Take surgical weight of fire

You can two shot crushers without sustained fire

Sustained fire doesn’t actually help at all lol

[slim pulsar]

im not really sure about surgical

ill try it

[hollow ibex]

Mandatory on helbore

[turbid ibex]

surgical is just free crit

[hollow ibex]

You always take it

[slim pulsar]

usually in games whenever i see the words crit chance my eyes just glaze over

[obtuse raft]

It depends quite a bit on what you are using but tons of stuff has fantastic crit builds where you get the chance high enough it's actually consistent

[hollow ibex]

Helbore crits let you pump out some insane numbers

[slim pulsar]

huh maybe that's the missing ingredient in my marksman potion

i already one shot reapers

[native hamlet]

when would you use the charged shot on plasma gun? i killed a plague ogryn to see how the damage and ammo comparsion would be and light shots seemed more ammo efficient than heavies

kill time felt about the same

[meager echo]

I don't charge plasma gun at all. Just spam left click.

[hybrid plover]

There's no real reason to charge plasma gun tbh

[native hamlet]

damn that's unfortunate

i was hoping to be proved wrong cuz i liked the idea of the lights being good for gunner elites and the charged for the tougher guys

[hollow ibex]

Never

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that’s what fatshart will presumably do when the gun is reworked

[native hamlet]

hoping for that outcome

[turbid ibex]

or charged for the gigacleave it has rn

[native hamlet]

now i kinda see what people mean by plasuma gun could do the job of handling armor, but not ideal

as in like a crusher pack

[obtuse raft]

Being forced to charge to get the ridiculous cleave seems like probably the healthiest option.
If it keeps insane cleave there wouldn't really be a good way to balance it and keep it doing satisfying "lore accurate" damage

[meager echo]

is hotshot worth on bellbore

[native hamlet]

i think on the vet guide it recommended it as an option to use for all but mk4

[honest quiver]

i will examine this

no idea, i just use extended weapon customization

[slim pulsar]

helbore still useless in mortis

sadge

[honest quiver]

think i played mortis like once on zealot

just make it chaos wastes 😔

[slim pulsar]

mortis just needs havoc modifiers and it would be the most played game mode i swear

[slim pulsar]

i hope thats what the future mortis operatives will do

since we still have no idea what mortis is

[native hamlet]

too much fodder in your spaceway?

[gritty mural]

certain talents you can unlock in mortis trials shouldn't exist

that box talent with every grenade is complete ass to play with on a team

[primal zealot]

the regular box should be like that

[native hamlet]

box talent?

[obtuse raft]

The grenade sampler pack

Ogryn trail mix

[native hamlet]

oh box of boom

[native hamlet]

guessing it just insta wipes everything?

[tall torrent]

it does that and makes game unplayable for everyone else because DT will drop to literal single digit fps when multiple boxes go off

[slim pulsar]

too slow

cant kill anything before your teamates do

[inland orchid]

Suffering from success

[slim pulsar]

more that vet is prob the least effective mortis class

[slim pulsar]

it used to crash the game all the time lol

ogryns would just spam grenade boxes and lower end computers would crash

also made the game laughably easy

god i just want fatshark to add difficulty modifiers to mortis

make it feel like an actual game mode instead of a mini game

[tall torrent]

zealot tbh

[slim pulsar]

you can get a lot of good melee indulgences

[tall torrent]

there're like

3

[slim pulsar]

yeah

[tall torrent]

and all 3 are from the newest indulgence

emperor's blessing

and even then

vet does that better

[slim pulsar]

the thing that annoys me is how few ranged minor indulgences there are

nothing to make ranged more exciting

[slim pulsar]

for vet i get one of two options depending on what the game gives me:
-voice of command spam
-grenade spam

you can get 3 voice of command and get a mino indulgence that lets you regen it every weakspot hit

for grenades well that's self descriptive

grenade indulgences make the game easy

[inland orchid]

Love me some healing nade indulgence

[slim pulsar]

krak grenade with 2 grenades per throw

regen every 20 seconds

also for some reason there's one that gives voice of command apply infinite bleed to enemies

like gg i guess

i dont even know what infinite bleed means

[tall torrent]

did u play the new emperor's blessing indulgence yet

[slim pulsar]

the crit one yeah

it gives 0 survivability but lots of damage potential

[obtuse raft]

No stack decay I have to guess

[sharp epoch]

some people dont take weight of fire because it doesnt give time to charge surgical stacks

[tall torrent]

it's highest dmg and survivability doesn't rly matter in mortis when the only things that can realistically kill are ledge, trapper and DH

+200% weakspot dmg
+1% crit dmg per crit hit, up to 250 stacks
melee critical attacks gain +70% damage
melee attacks apply 5 bleed and 5 burn stacks on hit

[slim pulsar]

doesnt colossus also get option to 200% weakspot?

[obtuse raft]

Even by mortis standards that is crazy godamn

[tall torrent]

that one is generalist but the other 3 are emperor's blessing exclusive I think

and they scale the best by far

zealot melee is kinda either all in on dmg (IJ) or all in on crit (piety)

vet gets both dmg and crit

and vet has better weapons

[hollow ibex]

you generally don't want to lower your rate of fire because of surgical

[red portal]

Survivability is like the last thing I feel I need in mortis

[sonic pecan]

Was Plasma tuned down?

[slim pulsar]

yes

patched today

[sonic pecan]

Bolter the best for big game hunting now?

[slim pulsar]

oh you meant the playable plasma

idk then

[red portal]

The enemy type yes, vets actual plasma gun not really

I think if the plasma gets nerfed the hellbore mk4 is the new armor destroyer

[sharp epoch]

plasma was never the armor destroyer

[slim pulsar]

can penetrate a bulwark shield but cant kill armor

peak game design

[sonic pecan]

sounds about right

[sharp epoch]

it used to open up bulwarks and stagger them, those were the days 😔

[tepid otter]

did the hotfix yesterday fix the havoc crashes as well

[sharp epoch]

Looks like some changes addressed then

[willow prairie]

yeah still crash on rotten armor earlier today for me

ymmv

[jaunty sphinx]

which mark for the braced auto?

[hollow ibex]

agri is the best

[tame lodge]

4 or 8

Was it 8

Lemme check

Yup

8

Agri is the 8

[jolly quail]

hey yall

[sharp epoch]

agripeena

[jolly quail]

does anyone have a good classic bolter build

[sharp epoch]

i can make one

[jolly quail]

sure

[sharp epoch]

what melee though

[jolly quail]

i guess psword?

need a horde clear melee with bolter

[hybrid plover]

Tac axe is good

Low investment melee.

[jolly quail]

yea i know but i havent mastered it yet/dont have a maxed out one

and completely out of diamantine

[hybrid plover]

Ah...

I guess power sword is the play then if you already have that.

[jolly quail]

i do have a solid rotation of maxed out and mastered weapons though

yea

finalizing builds on my ready to go weapons

only need bolter really

[native hamlet]

wait what

an axe that has horde clear??

[jolly quail]

yea tac axe is supposed to be one of the best horde clear melees

u also get carpal tunnel from playing it from my experience

[native hamlet]

damn

[tall torrent]

combat axe is literal best in the game lol

[tepid otter]

Carpal tunnel?

[tall torrent]

tac axe not far behind either

[tepid otter]

was about to say Rashad kekw

[sharp epoch]

@jolly quail

[native hamlet]

i've heard a lot of rashad but thought it was just the best at its axe niche

[jolly quail]

wrist/palm pain when u click like a maniac 1000 times in a row

[native hamlet]

i came from vermintide so i just about immediately ignored any axes i found

[native hamlet]

intriguing

[jolly quail]

thank u looks good but am i gonna get that much value from WS?

even with one motion bolters kinda slow to swap

[hollow ibex]

use skitarius if you'er on PC

otherwise running shit like knife and taxe is just begging for a fast track to carpal tunnel

[jaunty sphinx]

Thanks for the help

[jolly quail]

ah interesting

yea i should install a few more mods

[slim pulsar]

what's skitarius

[jolly quail]

macro mod apparently

[tall torrent]

rashad + boltgun

[jolly quail]

i do feel like focus fire is fine with boltgun

gonna look at ur two builds and maybe merge a bit lol

thanks guys

[hollow ibex]

automates combos you can pre-program

[fiery raft]

anyone got a build i could do

[jolly quail]

its interesting that you wouldnt run one motion though

[meager echo]

maybe this gun is not for me T^T...

[fiery raft]

so far i just have my current standard general build with vraks

and im trying out grenade lethal prox bistol

[jolly quail]

try plasma gun power sword and kraks

[tall torrent]

also an option
depends on if u want longshot for dmg

[slim pulsar]

damn

[jaunty sphinx]

I really really want to like the helbore but every time I'm using it I just wish I was using. Any other gun. Which sucks because it's so coool

[red portal]

What is this build trying to do exactly?

[hollow ibex]

tbf this would've been MUCH easier if you could actually hit the head lol

which is very difficult from behind a crusher

[tepid otter]

Whys your gun missing also, or is that a mod

[tall torrent]

mod

[tepid otter]

Huh, why would you not want to see the gun tho

Or is that easier for some people

[meager echo]

I can't aim with iron sight.

[uncut pebble]

@faint beacon Agri 9 updated build?

[tepid otter]

git gud

[tame lodge]

Shooting with the mind

[red portal]

It's a psyker in disguise

[meager echo]

you know what, I'm gonna make an 80 stability hellbore for even easier aim

[native hamlet]

should i take krak or frag nades with power sword/bolter?

[hollow ibex]

frag prob

though kraks are not a bad choice

[native hamlet]

worried about crusher spam from stuff like rotten armor cotamination stims haha

[calm shard]

infinite ammo exe bolter

[red portal]

Power sword is allready melting hordes

[native hamlet]

haven't ran shredder before so not sure how it'd be

[red portal]

Just get krak

[hollow ibex]

wait how

[native hamlet]

i just had that game lmao

it was awesome

[calm shard]

power sword is already melting armor just get frags

https://tenor.com/view/hyena-yeen-spotted-hyena-animal-cute-animal-gif-5345999193097161274

[hollow ibex]

power sword is already melting just get

[slim pulsar]

gay

[hollow ibex]

my vote goes to frags tho

[red portal]

Power sword melts everything tbf.

[native hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-bite-cable-and-fall-cat-fail-cat-funny-gif-16318578570039124152

[calm shard]

yeah frags with p sword

[hollow ibex]

because both psword and bolter deal with armor

and sometimes you need frags to clear space for you to charge

[frank basin]

Bolter very slow draw out

For cases like specialist around you when no one deal with it

[red portal]

I honestly wouldn't use bolter with psword to begin with

[native hamlet]

i dont play vet much, but i've always liked dunking on the big guys so i would run krak to deal with armor mass (most notable on bulwarks) and rely on my melee/team to deal with hordes

[red portal]

I need mobility on my secondary

[frank basin]

Psword is slow mobility and dodging is awful

[red portal]

Zarona is my pick for psword secondaries

Revolver

[hollow ibex]

frags have been considered the best blitz for a very long time, and for good reason

[red portal]

Kraks are way better now though

[native hamlet]

guess i've been out of the loop. what's cool about it?

[hollow ibex]

frags are still a bit better imo

[slim pulsar]

they kill things

[hollow ibex]

stagger on demand with 1 frag

kills mixed hordes with 2 frags

[frank basin]

Frag is cc and krak is st

[hollow ibex]

can still stagger bosses

[red portal]

You throw 2 into a rager pack and they fall over.

[hollow ibex]

it's just a very strong general-purpose nade

[red portal]

It's just very good aoe

[hollow ibex]

also has great synergies with out 4 blood

[native hamlet]

sounds pretty versatile. i'm innately biased but i'll give it a ringer when i come across the fabled 21 mobian horde modifier. sounds like it'd do good work there 💪

[native hamlet]

i wasn't expecting this

[hollow ibex]

high skill gameplay

[native hamlet]

amazing name

[hollow ibex]

genuine question tho

[native hamlet]

yeah

[hybrid plover]

Brutal momentum

[native hamlet]

ik what ur talking about but i have yet to feel freedom of mobility on my secondary and i kinda like that lol. i'm too much a fan of the slow powerhouses
i had an issue at one point where i ran combat knife with plasma gun b4 i swapped to power sword and i couldn't handle hordes. shredder nades would've easily solved that issue so i can look back at that build

[red portal]

Try the zarona revovler

It's very fun

Definitely a bit off meta though

[sharp epoch]

you can't really main a bolter with horde on you so it will give value cause your sword is gonna be out 70% of the time

[hollow ibex]

my favorite sniper in the game

[slim pulsar]

maybe long las one day

and it will suck

[obtuse raft]

Helbore 2

[austere mica]

Helbore .5

[meager echo]

80 stability no recoil gaming

[hollow ibex]

the lack of a gun confuses me so much lol

[meager echo]

now I'm 100% sure why I can't use hellbore. I missed all my shots .

[tepid otter]

If only you had some kind of sights

[slim pulsar]

the only good way to aim in darktide apparently

the gun is just an obstruction

[hollow ibex]

i use irons + crosshair overlay

[slim pulsar]

i should remove the gun too

but change the crosshair to green

[hollow ibex]

i'm too used to have some sort of gun

[slim pulsar]

feels like csgo again

actually nah im not doing that

[meager echo]

Bro with the iron sight, no chance I'm hitting anything

[slim pulsar]

removes all the fun from the game for me lol

[calm shard]

I just use irons for most guns

some guns I put the laspistol sight on

[faint beacon]

I just use mods to change the sight picture to actually be pleasant looking through

[umbral harness]

If anyone has a vet named brak what skin did you have on in that failed train mission

[hybrid plover]

There has been an upsurge in players using shroudfield in havoc and honestly

I'm not sure I care for it lol

At least on Lights out of all things.

[lost frigate]

is hellebore getting buff or something?

popular rising recently

Most vet i've encountered is quickplay either Reconlasgun, hellebore

[low gyro]

hey quick question, are the only "good" guns for Vet the bolters and plasma? or is there something im missing from the autoguns and las guns

[lost frigate]

Recon literally have infite ammo, and stack burning

just bring something to deal with armor

Bolter,Plasma make a quick work of Crusher, Plasma gunner which spawn alot in Auric that make them popular i think

[hybrid plover]

Vraks inf auto, helbores, accatran laspistol, recon lasguns, zarona revolver are a few among the options vet has

Plasma and bolter are just particularly strong for what they're meant for

[hybrid plover]

New sight makes it way better to use generally

It's been good since the buff.

[lost frigate]

Hellebore is strong and ammo efficiently but need to deal with swap weapon cooldown

that nice to hear

i still haven't touch vet yet after this patch

[hybrid plover]

Just aim cancel

[lost frigate]

busy trying zealot, ogryn

[hybrid plover]

As soon as you switch, ads and the swap speed is a nonissue.

Since the animation is longer than the actual swap.

[paper salmon]

Trying to do the "Make every shot count penance" other Vet with the ammo aura decides to kill a specilist right at extraction. And I end up with 1 ammo left

fuuuuuukkkkkk

[lost frigate]

that sad

i think i used barrel shotgun to finish that penance

[paper salmon]

Using a 60/60 ammo plasma gun.

felt like that would do the job

[lost frigate]

u need to do it on difficulty 4 right?

heresy in old day

or 3 is fine

[paper salmon]

Heresy

[tall torrent]

Shroudfield is best boss damage ability for zealot

[hybrid plover]

I'm aware.

Main thing is with the buff and how it makes everything ignore you after the hit, you start to really notice when someone's using it a lot.

[tall torrent]

tbh can just go with the other subnode

shroudfield is 1 big hit anyway

[hybrid plover]

Yeah but people are clearly using that subnode too and oh boy is it actually noticeable.

In all of the wrong ways lmao

[sharp epoch]

shroudfield can be good if they can do their job and delete bosses

[tall torrent]

I think the biggest new thing for vet is using exe stance purely for the wallhacks and just going melee vs mixed horde

it's like arb's EO highlight on steroids

[sharp epoch]

Yeah I already called it, it's the new vet

[hybrid plover]

I'll be real, I was using shout because people were asking for it

I genuinely don't see as much value in shout

[tall torrent]

I think VoC still super strong tho

[sharp epoch]

strong but the cooldown for what you get is not that good

[hybrid plover]

It's strong but, being able to actually deal with problems before they actually happen is so much more powerful than one would realize.

[lost frigate]

exe stance, highlight for teammate fixed?

[sharp epoch]

apparently it's always worked

since 2024

[lost frigate]

really

feeling old, when people said it bugged

and doesn't bother to try it

[tall torrent]

if tac awareness worked from teammates' specialist kills it'd be nice

[sharp epoch]

still one point for helping your team who wants to even do that

[hybrid plover]

yeah I'll admit, if they're gonna go this route with trying to nerf CDR, they should either make vet's work that way and maybe slightly nerf shout or just level everyone's CDR to something comparable to vet's

[faint beacon]

Agri IX + Taxe VII going hard per usual

[lost frigate]

5 percent elite kill for grenade regen will be goat if it replenish teammate as well

for now 60s replenish just plain better

[sharp epoch]

Psyker bubble has almost 100% uptime you can get 2 bubbles easily, and Ogryn taunt comes up right after it finishes with go again

[tall torrent]

it alrdy is

[hybrid plover]

Because it really is starting to seem like exe stance is the ideal option if only because its uptime is virtually untouched by the CDR changes because of how it functions

[lost frigate]

reallyฦ

?

wow

[hybrid plover]

And information is very powerful.

[tall torrent]

yea u throw like 100 grenades in havoc with it lol

[lost frigate]

instant getting that node

[tall torrent]

intended use: ranged dps
actual use: wallhack + toughness/s + stun immunity

[hearty panther]

be a giant toughness battery

share with ur friends

[unkempt hedge]

What are veterans best melee weapons after the chsnges

[tall torrent]

power sword VI
combat axe III
combat blade VI
duelling sword (any)

[sharp epoch]

I think if tac awareness wasn't nerfed I'd still take shout over new exe

[unkempt hedge]

Thanks

[hybrid plover]

well yeah because tac awareness being nerfed the way it did incentivizes the use of an ability that sorta feeds into itself like exe stance rn

[tall torrent]

if it worked off teammates' specialist kills yea

[tall torrent]

I'm legit considering full exe for all builds atm

[tall torrent]

also tbh I'm not sure if I need OYT with exe stance feeding toughness

[sharp epoch]

I don't take it

just WS

[tall torrent]

what's ur build

full nade talents?

[sharp epoch]

For smokes just tinkerer and grenade regen, frags I do extra grenade and grenade regen

[tall torrent]

idk wat to put last point into

TGH prob

[sharp epoch]

I had it on the extra ammo, but this patch they fixed ammo so idk either

[tall torrent]

maybe 25 TGH

[sharp epoch]

I got one motion instead of longshot

[tall torrent]

that's always a good pick

[sharp epoch]

So maybe I'd grab longshot

[tall torrent]

hmm OM vs 25 TGH

[tawdry osprey]

I've read there's better blessings than thrust (though I used to get it on my duelling sword to one shot crusher) other than that the build looks good

I hate the weapons but if i play darktide I'll try it

[honest quiver]

omg go to sleep

[tawdry osprey]

I woke up

I'm healthy

[honest quiver]

it's like super early over there

[tawdry osprey]

Went to bed at 10:30pm

[tawdry osprey]

I've been half awake half asleep in bed for at least an hour

Now I'm hungry

[honest quiver]

i'm fighting for my life

[tawdry osprey]

I'm eating cereals in the kitchen

[honest quiver]

you're a fucking animal

[paper salmon]

penance done. Fact, it doesn't count if you're not int he game from the ready up screen

[tall torrent]

also idk if u realized
power cycler still turns off if got hit stunned while attacking
exe stance makes u stun immune so power cycler cannot turn off

[faint beacon]

Yeah no seriously WS pathing with shredders is so fucked for damage

[honest quiver]

MK V was chosen because it only uses 2 ammo per shot as opposed to 6 from the MK IIIa, and 9 from the MK IV!! also the MK IV bayonet special sucks.

the damage difference between the three doesn't justify how efficient the MK V is for me. the MK IIIa is fine, but i like being able to fire off a bunch of charged shots down range in quick succession

[honest quiver]

i took thrust for the same reason that you would take it on DS - that fully charged special heavy is very strong

shock trooper is not needed for this since the MK V is the most ammo-efficient helbore mark. plus, with this, it would cost 3 talent points to get there which simply is not worth it. if you're running recon las, sure, but ammo isn't really an issue here - especially since the dump stat is stability

there isn't anything i would give up just to have +25% ammo, 0.25s stamina regen delay reduction, and critical hits not consuming ammo

[remote sonnet]

Anyone uses the Bolter mk3? It doesn't feel good to play with.

[honest quiver]

to get there i'd have to lose 25 toughness, 100% CDR for 3s on specialist kills, and 5% chance to replenish a grenade when anyone kills an elite/special

just to list one option

[hollow ibex]

it's kinda comfy but straight up worse than the original imo

[remote sonnet]

Slower fire rate, less damage, less ammo. What does it actually do?

[hollow ibex]

AOE

stagger

that's about it

[remote sonnet]

Is the new bolt pistol also like that? I haven't try it out.

[tepid otter]

It is as far as ive heard

Kinda like the Mk3 tho ngl

[native hamlet]

lower recoil too, and i believe a tighter crosshair

far as i heard new boltgun mark is kinda cool as an alternative, but the bistol equivalent is a bit more downsides than upsides

i haven't used the new bistol mark after the stagger bug fix so i'm not sure how effective it'll actually be

at most, it'll flinch a decent group. good to interrupt shooter groups or a special, but that's about it for its utility

[unborn perch]

Show me the giga chad charged shots Helbore build talent tree.

[hollow ibex]

even worse

[remote sonnet]

I tried it, it has blast damage, but really not significant.

[ember nest]

The new bolter and bistol are those things that make you say "neat" and then you just go back to using whatever you were using

I thought the AOE would matter way more

It doesn't

The stagger is okay but like why are you emergency opening bulwarks with a fuckin bolter

[remote sonnet]

Maybe a good AOE stagger tool, but it doesn't do the role of a ranged weapon as good as the old bolt pistol.

[remote sonnet]

Old bolter can also do that...

[tall torrent]

I play melee exe stance now

[tepid otter]

Is it weird its actually my main ranged weapon tho

Trying to level plasma for like Havocs later on but I fw the new bolter more atm

[blazing jetty]

Tried the new bolter a bit and didn't like it a whole lot

[ember nest]

There will always be at least 1 random stan for every weapon

[tepid otter]

I think its nice that its got some mixed reactions with it for some people

[blazing jetty]

I prefer being able to snipe things in crowds while punching through anyone in the way

Might be more useful for zealots than for vets

[ember nest]

I just wish plasma wasnt giant revolver

But I have voiced this too many times

Give it trollhammer mechanics and rely on charging up :^/

[tepid otter]

I wonder if Fatshark ever considered a Plasma Pistol to be added as well

I think that'd be a nice addition for some more weap choices

[remote sonnet]

Eventually

[olive halo]

Wait, are we not supposed to use charged shots on the helbore

[tepid otter]

Wouldn't it just be subpar if you don't?

[frank basin]

charged shots is optional

mk v is fast

[tepid otter]

Fast charging, but I dont think ive seen anyone use a helbore and not do charged shots with it

unless am wrong?

[hybrid plover]

make that two

i love the new bolter tbh

[ember nest]

You're like weird by default though

[hybrid plover]

what the heck is that supposed to mean

[frank basin]

new boltgun is my fav to play as demolition guy

[ember nest]

You know deima

[hybrid plover]

...

Right.

[ember nest]

I know them irl

They are very silly

I need to go tell him I got a new job

[remote sonnet]

The funny thing about hell bore is that the model with stronger charge has weaker normal hit.

If you dislike charged shot, might better go ILG.

[frank basin]

ilg mk iv full auto

hip firing

[remote sonnet]

Las pistol is a better option than ilg 4.

[hybrid plover]

but yeah ever since i learned that the new bolter's aoe actually inflicts onslaught's brittleness, i've been abusing that

[frank basin]

the ilg 4 is comically larges size laspistol

[tepid otter]

I need to check my build

[hybrid plover]

v good for softening up armor hordes

[frank basin]

woah

[hybrid plover]

and staggering them at the same time

[remote sonnet]

Tried that, still meh.

[frank basin]

i means it would kill brusier for few shot without brittleness

sticking with rending strike instead

[hybrid plover]

they stack additively

usually doesn't matter much with something like uncanny

[remote sonnet]

Onslaught is only 5 sec, the splash damage is pitiful.

[tepid otter]

just gotta shift a few points around and donezo

I think its still useful for collateral imo

[hybrid plover]

it's enough to cut down a lot of the fluff in a mixed horde while softening up the more bulkier targets

i've been using it in havoc and it's done me just fine there too

[tepid otter]

Had such a good havoc game with it too, but then Ive just kept being disconnected

I hope they'll fix that crash/dc issue soon lmao

[hybrid plover]

and while it's five seconds, you have a whole team that can take advantage of that brittleness for the moment

usually

[faint beacon]

Understandable

Exe stance has more uptime and reliable toughness regen

[hybrid plover]

And

[faint beacon]

I just run VOC as a way to keep my team alive for more than two seconds

[hybrid plover]

information

wall hacks are op

[tepid otter]

havent triec exec on havoc with a bolter just yet, im more comfy with VoC trying to be useful during Havocs

[hybrid plover]

i'll be honest, i tried shout

cuz people asked for it

i don't think it holds up as well anymore just because of the uptime

there were just so many situations where i just thought having exe stance would have let me handle it a lot better because i would have been able to prevent a problem from happening to begin with

[tall torrent]

nah
join us
trust

[tepid otter]

well im still getting into the groove of it, ive got like a havoc 10 rating, cant get into a decent match with the constant dc's atm

[hybrid plover]

besides, it's not like you're pressed for toughness. just can't get overheaded or sniped

[frank basin]

that part sniped is when play vent/light sniper gauntlet

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15209074807552695851/39B9EAF9C1A6EBF9F4F7731A2338C09088479FF5/

[frank basin]

situation in open area

[hybrid plover]

and you have a literal hard counter to deal with those snipers

[tall torrent]

also

I take serrated on more builds than field improv now

cuz serrated is better team support most of the time

[frank basin]

oh so you changed your mind view on serrated now?

[tall torrent]

helps ogryn with DR
helps zealot with crit chance
boosts mixed horde (esp vs mauler & scab rager with power sword)

[tall torrent]

it's not "good" but as a support pick it's alr

[frank basin]

gladly

[tall torrent]

4 of the 5 classes can do bleed and in a team it stacks up

it's not smth I'd go out of my way to grab

just that if I have the choice I'd go serrated over field improv

unless rashad

[frank basin]

unrelated, i want ask gale about he love vigil gun it is that weapon is skill base use? since he ignored me.

[viscid salmon]

we here at FartShart.inc have come to the very productive idea of doubling the HP of crushers for no apparent reason but still letting there be around 8 crusher spawns with 20+ maulers and scab ragers to make everyones day worse

[hollow ibex]

ok i've really come to despise the new bolter

[viscid salmon]

why

[hollow ibex]

trying to play a precision weapon?

now everything is staggered the moment you line up the headshot and fire

[viscid salmon]

oh that

i thought you hated using it

[hollow ibex]

that too

[viscid salmon]

lol

[hollow ibex]

i don't think it's worth the trade offs

less damage, smaller mag, less ammo, dogshit AOE damage

[viscid salmon]

i like it more than the crit one tbh

[hollow ibex]

just so i can stagger some poxxers everytime i fire?

a trade deal of all time

[viscid salmon]

the AoE damage is dogshit buuuuuuuut

it does actually clear the hounds for the hunting ground surprisingly well

since they got fuck all HP but are just numerous, the fuckall damage from the boltgun aoe does kill them very efficiently

but thats more a niche than an actual pro

[hollow ibex]

it does like 90 damage per AOE explosion lol

it's not the AOE that's killing the dogs

as much as your direct shots

[viscid salmon]

for me the thing that makes me like it over the regular one is that with the lower fire rate its easier to control over the fast fire rate regular

[hollow ibex]

the new one doesn't have the buggy recoil that the old one has

so that helps make the weapon feel like not actual dogshit

[viscid salmon]

i was firing into a dog horde and it was killing stragglers on the side that werent in direct hit line of fire

so idk

also holy fuck

finally a map that isnt dark communion or clandestium gloriana

[hollow ibex]

on auric base hounds are 1400 hp, idr how much the pack ones are

but prob still enough that you'd need a LOT of AOE shots to kill one lol

[viscid salmon]

300

actually no, i think thats damnation

[hollow ibex]

no i think that's right

[viscid salmon]

honestly if fatshark wanted to make the AoE better (its not good) they could have just let it interact with puncture

the best thing out of the AoE is getting pinning fire to 5 stacks nearly instantly

i still like the new bolter tho

[hollow ibex]

i think they should just give it the same ammo / mag size as the old bolter

buffing AOE is always risky

turning it into rumbler 2.0

last thing the game needs

[viscid salmon]

just wish that it would have more ammo as/than the old bolter given that you have less damage

[viscid salmon]

true

but it would fit the desired "more AoE oriented" boltgun they were talking about in the trailer for the update

[woeful flame]

Does bleed damage count as ranged damage or melee damage?

Or is it a different type entirely?

[hollow ibex]

neither, it's base damage

[viscid salmon]

it doesnt get affected by either

[woeful flame]

I see. thank you

[viscid salmon]

you can buff it by base damage or nodes that just say "damage"

[hollow ibex]

so if you want to buff bleed DOT damage for example, a talent like skirmisher would do it

[woeful flame]

Gotcha

[viscid salmon]

same with burn

also brittleness/rending affects it since its got shitass effectivity against armor

so stuff that has uncanny help, onslaught helps

[hybrid plover]

onslaught on mercy killer knife is

surprisingly effective actually

crazy how having a better tree actually makes certain things actually able to be played in a more consistent basis

[viscid salmon]

btw so im in the psykhanium, the new boltgun actually does better damage against carapace than the old boltgun

so idk

overall you will do less damage due to less ammo both in reserves and in magazine

[hybrid plover]

new bolter's sort of a utility based deal

like, if you have say, frags, i dont see much reason to use it

[viscid salmon]

i just run uncanny+mercy on my knife

[hybrid plover]

if you go smokes however, there's actual incentive

[hybrid plover]

i've been running mercy + executor on mine with rending strikes and onslaught

[tall torrent]

Neither, it’s DOT

[hybrid plover]

kinda invalidates the need for uncanny entirely and executor + mercy killer synergize really well together

[azure narwhal]

Uncanny w bleed is nasty

Packs of crushers fall like butter

[hybrid plover]

dunno why my brain flipped and put flesh tearer there

[azure narwhal]

xd

[hybrid plover]

it's nice but

[tall torrent]

Do mercy + flesh

[hybrid plover]

uncanny is one of those cases where if i can do something to not have to use it, i'd rather since knife can do with some horde clear help

[azure narwhal]

Man, i wish shock trooper had more than just the on -0.25 sec path. It's nice don't get me wrong but switching to another build to go from 0.5 to 0.75 is oddd

[tall torrent]

Flesh tearer + serrated blade = 10 bleed stacks immediately

Way higher mixed horde clear

[azure narwhal]

I get that yea

[azure narwhal]

What i take p much

Serrated blade i've started to like a lot recently

[hybrid plover]

you know, i was actually using a lacerate + mercy and it was doing surprisingly well for a setup that technically shouldnt synergize

maybe i should just go flesh in that case

[hollow ibex]

i got higher damage with the 2b 🤔

[tall torrent]

Serrated is not good on its own
But it’s neat as team support since ogryn gains DR from bleeding enemies and zealot gains crit chance from hitting bleeding enemies

[viscid salmon]

mk2b was 705
mk3 was 771
(this was after i got full brittleness on the crusher, normally it starts lower obviously)

[hollow ibex]

check again

the stat card also confirms that mk3 has slightly lower damage

[tall torrent]

Serrated is also kind of not horrible for cleave

[hollow ibex]

there's something else affecting your damage

[azure narwhal]

Eh i'd want to take nothing else on that specific node going down anyways tbh. There is field improv but i've never used it to begin with so

[tall torrent]

Since it’s the same stack across all enemies hit

[hybrid plover]

yeah it ignores cleave distribution

[tall torrent]

And in a big armored mixed horde it’s not uncommon to take 5+ hits

[hybrid plover]

kinda nice

[tall torrent]

Which is 10 bleed stacks on everything

It’s not smth I’d go out of my way to grab tho

I only take it for power sword and knife

[viscid salmon]

im currently on zealot but that shouldnt matter since im not changing anything other than the mark

[viscid salmon]

it cant, im literally just switching marks, if there was something affecting damage it would affect both of them with the mk2b remaining stronger

[hollow ibex]

i'm guessing there's a talent that affects damage at ranged?

[viscid salmon]

literally no

[hollow ibex]

anyway the mk2b def has higher damage

just check the stat cards

[viscid salmon]

this isnt selected

[hollow ibex]

idk then

[viscid salmon]

"check stat cards" i KNOW the stat card says mk3 is lower damage

i have just shown you a video of mk3 doing more than mk2b

[tall torrent]

Prob ADM

They don’t have the same atk template

[sweet arch]

hey havnt played my vet in forever, does anyone have a build i can use to help me get back into the feel of things at all please?

[viscid salmon]

honestly, just smush shit together now

most things (not infil) work well

shout vet is still good despite the CD regen nerf

[hybrid plover]

exe stance better

[sweet arch]

ty

[frank basin]

rare i one shot scab flamer with mk3 boltgun

their hp is 2%

from 1 shot

[viscid salmon]

exec stance doesnt save teammates

[frank basin]

i could perform high noon

[hollow ibex]

i mean i tested with literally the exact same build/perks/blessings on vet, exact same range, and 2b came out with more damage so idk

[viscid salmon]

nor does it make me feel like i play payday 2 shouting at my teammates to get the fuck up

[hollow ibex]

i mean it doesn't matter really

the damage looks really similar on carapace

[hybrid plover]

it very much can actually

think about the fact that you have wall hacks on every specialist in the game

that is a massive amount of utility for your team, assuming you can take advantage of that and take them out before they ever become a problem

or you can run enhanced and give that to your team

and that's barring the born leader combined with its passive regen

shout is an immediate get out of jail free card

exe stance is playing the long game of keeping yourself out of jail to begin with

[viscid salmon]

no i mean like when shit hits the fan, the knockback and toughness you can give your teammates imo far outdoes the added comfortability of giving your teammates wallhack. Its nice, but when theres 7 crushers 20+ maulers and ragers and a boss id rather have the shout than the executioners stance

[hybrid plover]

not when you don't have access to it at that immediate moment

tac awareness being nerfed was actually a lot heavier of a hit on shout than some realize

[viscid salmon]

i disagree

its a nerf

but it doesnt make shout vet dead

[hybrid plover]

it's not dead obvs

[viscid salmon]

you still get it pretty fast

executioners is good but shout is still imo the best ability

[hybrid plover]

but it's really hard to look past something constantly informing you of immediate threats that can quite literally go on, nearly permanently if you play right

[viscid salmon]

during a diff spike wave, i dont need to be informed of the "immediate threats"... they are right in fucking front of my eyes

i need them to get off my balls, give toughness to the zealot that has been going down 4 times in a row, while giving me extra survivability with iron will so i can use the space ive created to mow the problem down

[hybrid plover]

zealot that's been

oh god what have you been playing

[viscid salmon]

i only play pub auric maelstroms

and occasional havoc/mortis trial

i personally do like exec stance, hell i use it on my hellbore lasgun loadout, but more often than not, in general situations shout+shredders are what saves runs

speaking of, i should try out the "new" vet in havoc

[viscid salmon]

you meet all kinds of people

[mortal aspen]

the biggest threats are usually not right in front of you, imo

[hybrid plover]

the humble trapper wandering behind a sea of carapace

[tacit sonnet]

The biggest threats are the ones that you don't know are there

The things that I can see are usually not a threat

[viscid salmon]

woe, trapper net through 4 crushers be upon yee

[fossil creek]

Clutched a game with infil the other day

Goated for revives

[viscid salmon]

its ok

the threat reduction is nice

[hybrid plover]

did they adjust auric maelstrom again or something

why the hell was this so relentless 💀

[north frost]

they did with update

[distant mural]

Exe stance way more usefull then shout now imo

[topaz lance]

VoC should be removed from the game because I don't like it.

Another less hot take: Make combat shotties use their special ammo as the default. Actually make them feel like different weapons. Also who has time to constantly reload in the current state of the game?

[steel veldt]

I fucking despise ragers and maulers so much

I also despise lights out missions

[dry cloak]

Em no wont fix a thing

And sepcial shell spam is not optimal

[pseudo fiber]

Just buff the fire shotgun the others are fine

[topaz lance]

I mean they'd have to rebalance the shells around this idea of course but I'd prefer it over the current way they work.

[fossil creek]

im trying to get familiar with all the vet skills rn

i do agree that VoC is the best

But not the coolest or most fun lol

[cunning haven]

the voicelines are cool and knocking bosses off ledges is funny

[woven cove]

I think I used infiltrate too many times.

[jaunty sphinx]

Just infiltrate more to make the rest of the body match

[tepid otter]

What builds do most people right with Infil

I havent messed around with it all that much

[neon pecan]

how does field improv work? Does it apply to teammates, does it require me to place the medkit?

[full osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-snake-big-boss-gif-12248663

[empty summit]

I like my Veteran...she pretty...and nasty

and pretty nasty, what you guys think?

[plain shore]

any pointer for the bulld ? trying to shot a lot with lasgun and have a bit melee maybe change to PF from PS

[undone jungle]

why not longshot or whatever the fuck it's called

isn't it just a flat 10-25% damage

[plain shore]

oh snap

[undone jungle]

also i recommend the exec stance upgrade to give it the 8s duration, it really helps, you prob don't need the reload talent on the top tbf

same with opening salvo, probably better to do deadshot with your keystone already giving you good stam gen

also, shocktrooper

las builds want dat shitttt

I'd probably drop desperado and maybe even trench fighter depending on what melee you use

with some vet options genuinely don't need melee buffs to still be a menace

[plain shore]

now im using Power sword may change to power flecheon

[undone jungle]

yeah with achyls psword you can get away with no melee specific buffs

as long as you have the weakspot buff on the left side

you good

[plain shore]

is it still "clapping"crusher with the clip tech or bc the changes no

[undone jungle]

power falchions are very slow so they kinda need trench fighter tbf

[undone jungle]

not as fast as it used to but faster than anything else in the game barring very specific builds tbh

really the only reason not to run it is if you're bored of using it, which isn't an impossible feat lmao

with how easy bleed on melee is to access on Vet rn I've been using cknife more lately

but you can't go wrong unless you use some absolute dogshit

[plain shore]

mmmm

[undone jungle]

that said if you're planning to take this to Havoc you prob should metaslave

[turbid ibex]

As long as youre not waiting for the respawn timer any deployed medkits and ammo crates will get the effects

[plain shore]

oh no xd for havock imma play VoC vat with plasma

its mainly cadian "cosplay build" but still functunaly as much as it can

[undone jungle]

tbf you probably don't need to voc spam anymore with how good exec stance is, plus vigilant autos and helbores are quite good on Havoc now too if you want a HVT killer

you're mainly skimmed to melee options in havoc

[plain shore]

oh i see thats cool

[silver patrol]

vigilant looks like a weaker, easier to use helbore to me

am i right

actually, does the vigilant have the lame swap speed penalty

[undone jungle]

a tiny bit, they're definitely a lot more responsive due to lacking the massive deploy and charge time

also cleave and better body spam damage

in Auric the single shot can be setup to 1 tap muties and actually deal with Crushers

they're alright, actually viable

i haven't tried the others yet but I might build the 3 burst one for zeal

[plain shore]

i think its better via your tips

[undone jungle]

honestly very decent I'd only swap 1 skill

[plain shore]

shot

[turbid ibex]

Gun

[undone jungle]

get back in fight is kinda meh you might as well go field improv

it's users choice

[turbid ibex]

Get back in the fight is pretty bad at 20s cooldown

[undone jungle]

the cd is whatever tbh it's moreso that you'll rarely actually need it

field improv might actually happen lmao

also it's an Auric build so it don't mattah

Just have fun

same with your melee and ranged options just funmaxx and if anyone calls you out call them a sweat

embrace joy

[plain shore]

hell ya herhehe

aight

[sudden cedar]

Whats the issue?

[plain shore]

and its better to go cara instead of flak on lass for crusher or is it better to deal with them with the power sword

[turbid ibex]

Pord

[plain shore]

btw they did something new with vat stamina or is it still bad

[turbid ibex]

Ilas is kinda mid tbh

[turbid ibex]

0.75s delay instead of 1s

[plain shore]

thx for the help ^^

[undone jungle]

don't forgor to hydrate

[undone jungle]

nooo but my all or nothing builds /s

[turbid ibex]

Just PA spam

[undone jungle]

Yeah ik I'm kidding

I don't even use that on vet

Frankly idk what all or nothing goes on besides Arbi melee lmao

oh just axes and shovels

[neon pecan]

How does the ranged backstab node actually work?

cause in the mortis area its definitely not buffing my ranged dmg by 30% when shooting from behind

[remote sonnet]

It does work in the psykhamium.

The 30% damage is before some other buff, it is not a total damage multiplier.

[drowsy goblet]

why cant i just have a flamer as a veteran

[grand perch]

you have, its just called recon lasgun with infernus

[fair shale]

Flamer with range

[tepid otter]

flamer that goes pew

[drowsy goblet]

i guess... i havent actually tried the recon lasgun

which skill should i take?

[tepid otter]

I have mine on Exec for the ranged dmg

Get onslaught with it too, it melts enemies your shooting at

[drowsy goblet]

i just realised this straight up replaces my skill, i think imma do that too and go exec

[drowsy goblet]

onslaught?

[tepid otter]

the left node just on top weapon specialist

[drowsy goblet]

found it

was gonna go for weapon specialist anyways

problem is tho i kinda like to use bolters

[tepid otter]

I think we got a few people here that uses Exec with bolter too from what Ive seen

So it works just fine with that too

[drowsy goblet]

i was mostly reffering to onlslaught

[tepid otter]

yeah, someone mentioned having onslaught on his bolter earlier here

I switched it up too and i like it so far

could 4 shot a crusher in auric meat grinder with it

takes less ammo if the hit crits on weak spot

[unborn perch]

Fuck recon. Bolter is the goat. Let no one tell you different.

[sudden cedar]

Fuck bolter. Recon is the goat. Let no one tell you different.

Actually, fuck both. Vigilant Autogun.

[drowsy goblet]

imma use a plasma gun

(i dont have it unlocked yet)

[sudden cedar]

Use whatever weapon flies your fancy.

[drowsy goblet]

that one feels nice

[old cobalt]

oh god i just came back after a small break and all of the talent trees were wiped lmao

this talent layout seems to be a LOT better though

[sudden cedar]

Error 2014

[tepid otter]

didnt darktide come out 2022 tho

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/germans-norm-macdonald-snl-weekend-update-saturday-night-live-gif-2380421987692029547

[turbid ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888163424855535647/1192679966198988800/Animation_1704427443.gif

[mortal aspen]

IAG

[sudden cedar]

Plasma Pistol. Oh wait, that weapon does not exist yet.

[hot aurora]

does toughness regeneration speed works with the trait 'born leader ' ? (allies in range replenish 20% of toughness you replenish)

[tall torrent]

Yes but toughness regen as a mechanic is not great

[hot aurora]

ok so for curio always go with hp , toughness and the last one ?

[sudden cedar]

You go with what you want, really.

For all the slots.

[tall torrent]

For curio perk, gunner resist, health, toughness, stam regen rate, revive speed, etc

[sudden cedar]

It is not ideal, but there is no one forcing you into anything.

[hot aurora]

ok ty 🙂 i will go with gunner and sniper they seems good enough

[azure narwhal]

i personally run 3x toughness 1x health 2x gunner res 3x ability cooldown

but nearly everyone looks different in this department so

it's more about knowing what's good and bad rather than copying someone's loadout

tend to your own playstyle first

[mortal aspen]

that trait on the curio doesn't do what you might think it does

don't use it

[hot aurora]

12% combat abiity regeneration reduce the Voc from 30s to 26.4s smth like that its good too,
ok ty i started only 2 days ago and im doing the 3rd difficulty (lvl 30) but my gear is rly bad ilvl is 390 for melee and 420 for range but no clue how ot get better one

for build i followed the basic veteran SoC with the mark but i dont like to use the marker mechanic l its really annoying

[mortal aspen]

you can upgrade weapons

[open fossil]

I've got 3, 20% max health curios, personally i feel like it's worth it but can anyone tell me otherwise that knows more? Cause idfk

[mortal aspen]

toughness is better

I do 2x tougg 1x health

[tall torrent]

I run toughness + health + stamina for main stat

2x gunner
2x stam regen
3x toughness
2x docket / rez speed

[snow valve]

toughness is better, because toughness can be:

damage reduced
scaled
regenerated
overcapped

i always run 2x17% toughness 1x+3 stamina curios

unless ogryn then 3x 17% toughness

[old cobalt]

Here are the combos I've seen most often reccomended in this channel.

Health+Health+Toughness
Health+Health+Stam
Health+Toughness+Toughness
Health+Toughness+Stam

[snow valve]

health is pretty useless UNLESS you are making a lot of mistakes

[old cobalt]

It keeps you from getting oneshot by toxbursters

so you always take one

[snow valve]

don't

just push

[tall torrent]

Health is insurance basically

[old cobalt]

tbh "just dont suck lol" is kinda shit advice

Like yeah. Don't.

The meta is always what you perform best with

Try different combos, see what works for you

[snow valve]

on higher difficulties getting hit by a poxburster is game ending no matter how many %hp you stack though

[old cobalt]

don't take discord gooners advice as law

[fair shale]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-knight-gif-12000020

[tall torrent]

There is a big difference between dying in 1 hit from full hp to poxburster and not dying

It’s insurance essentially

[open fossil]

I was just thinking if you get hit by flamers or any sort of damage that goes past toughness you have a more solid base to fight against that, currently im running exec stance cause of the new event but usually i run shout and if im constantly buffing toughness already i kind of play vet either like a heavy staggerer or a sniper

[honest quiver]

hewwo could u take a minute to tell me if my build is goated w da sauce or what i should change https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0012873-04ef-4922-9bd4-ba7df0adb221/kriegsman-enjoyer-ft-voc-and-ws

[old cobalt]

I'm currently running
HP+HP+Tougness because I personally like having a larger health cushion to fall back on because of my burning hatred for tox bombers and I don't feel I really need the extra stam because I'm running a Lasgun build

[tall torrent]

It’s alr wouldn’t run shovel tho

[honest quiver]

but muh kriegsman

that's about what i said in the description

[open fossil]

This is steel legion turf boy we clown in this hoe take yo shovel ass back to krieg

[honest quiver]

i mention that the novelty wears off after a while

[tall torrent]

Helbore is kinda best with MF + exe atm

[honest quiver]

ahh i'll test that out

[tall torrent]

Even tho pathing into MF is ass

[honest quiver]

really??

[tall torrent]

Yea

[hearty panther]

Really.

[tall torrent]

Forced to double down on ammo

[hearty panther]

Triple down if you have Survivalist.

[honest quiver]

ugh that sucks

[tame lodge]

They deal 100 damage
If I have 201 HP I can survive 2

[honest quiver]

i was planning on making another version of the build for exe anyway

[old cobalt]

oh yeah back to the poxburster thing

[honest quiver]

i'm just a little disappointed by that "actual good kriegsman build" one on gl

[open fossil]

Unironically the thought process i was thinking

[honest quiver]

curios and stuff are alright? i'm a little on the fence about running 3 gunner traits

[old cobalt]

"Just push" doesnt account for the rando who's carved out their frontal lobe going "ILL HELP" and shooting it 2ft in front of you

[hearty panther]

Nooooo I walked to my coffee spot and they're closed indefinitely for a machine error ;_;

My delicious lattes tho

I'm breaking in. I've already come this far.

[open fossil]

Idgaf about ranged units if i can shoot them first which i can, but one burster or flamer is gonna fuck you if he gets close unless you have the health

[snow valve]

your build is goated with the sauce

[tame lodge]

Caffeine addicts be like:

[honest quiver]

[old cobalt]

i honestly need to fix up my curios tbh buttt im not worried about it rn

[snow valve]

check if longshot is actually getting you across breakpoints

[hearty panther]

These guys have the best blonde espresso damn it

[snow valve]

if not, i would go for CK + OFB -> swap speed and then down

[old cobalt]

im just fucking geeked that LnoB isnt a 2 point tax anymore

and I can now run it in every build

[void dragon]

I have been trying to make some type of krieg sniper grenadier but this combo does slap hard, quite surprised how good is head clicker -warhammer edition

[honest quiver]

i spoke about one motion yesterday - the swap speed boost only accounts for a .2 second difference

2.56 seconds without and 2.36 seconds with

[tall torrent]

It’s alr

[honest quiver]

i'd rather not get one motion at all frankly

[snow valve]

it's very comfy and it helps with nades in fucky situations

i can feel the difference all the time

but totally fair

[honest quiver]

well, for the helbore at least, the difference is negligible

[old cobalt]

Personally I wouldn't go above 2 gunner traits, but it also depends on how good you are at target priority.

[tall torrent]

Longshot helps helbore V and IIIa sometimes, not rly for IV

I don’t run longshot or superiority complex for IV

[old cobalt]

I like Gunner/Gunner/Sniper because sometimes you just do NOT see the sniper until its too late

[tall torrent]

Also depends on other buffs

[honest quiver]

having over 200 hp is intended to mitigate sniper damage at least enough to where it doesn't one-shot you

[old cobalt]

and that sniper passive has bailed me out more than once

[honest quiver]

i may proc it though

[tall torrent]

MF / skirmisher / EW

[snow valve]

I would run toughness toughness stamina

• toughness
• combat ability regen
• stamina regen

[tame lodge]

[snow valve]

but from my convo above yall love +hp curios in this community

[tall torrent]

I take both 25 TGH nodes on all builds now lol

[snow valve]

the 25 toughness nodes are goated

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s only worth on vet & psyker

For insurance it’s not bad

[honest quiver]

longshot's definitely a helper here

[snow valve]

you know what node is underappreciated? the 0.25 toughness regen delay speed on the left above shock trooper

[fair shale]

Dont you only need like 1 5 percent toughness secondary on a curio to not get one popped by a burster or am I insane

[snow valve]

that thing is BASED

[snow valve]

this is true

the other players are just losing a lot of HP for no reason

[open fossil]

Doesnt it end up being like minus 33% regen speed and its actually like kind of goated?

[old cobalt]

i gotta ask, i see FT builds with Target Down, but is that actually any good? It's clearly not... Great baseline with you needing to line up special kill with toughness damage windows, but does the sheer volume of special kills make up for that?

[snow valve]

yes

[atomic void]

why do vigil autos kinda feel like im shooting a nerf gun (visual feedback)

[fair shale]

Tbf there is an arguement to be made for it cause you cant play perfect all of the time

[tall torrent]

Burster does not care about toughness unless you have >1000 effective toughness or gold toughness

[honest quiver]

i am so very good

[tall torrent]

Which you won’t have on vet 99% the time

[fair shale]

Yeah, ik, but iirc they dont just one shot you if you have 1 5 percent health on a curio

[tall torrent]

Yes

[fair shale]

Which ofc this entire arguement can be solved with "push the burster lol"

[honest quiver]

i'll make an exe stance version next

[old cobalt]

TBH, whenever someone asks about special resist traits, the best options for damage resist are whatever pisses you off the most

[honest quiver]

i'd like to run exe stance but i feel like i'm trolling when i run it instead of voc

[old cobalt]

If you keep dying to a specific special, stack some resist for it. Spec for damage you're actually taking

[snow valve]

target down is not that good, most good builds i see take the middle and right ones

[tall torrent]

Exe stance is pretty strong rn

[open fossil]

Any argument against preparing for a specific enemy type can be countered with "just kill the enemy" but its not abt that its about having 300 health as vet and cosplaying small ogryn

[snow valve]

exe stance is fine just take smokes and you can faceroll through havoc rn

[old cobalt]

Focus fire? You mean the absolute trap talent that rewards you for not using the ability its talented into?

[honest quiver]

i did see they added toughness regen to it

[void dragon]

The toughness regen of Exe stance now makes so you are quite bulky for what you usually are

Can answer fire with a lot of ease

[honest quiver]

i don't think i've ever once ran marksman's focus

[snow valve]

marksman's focus with recon lasgun is so fucking fun rn

[void dragon]

Used to be garbo, now it's not bad

[fair shale]

Nah its gunners, you always take damage resist gunners lol

[old cobalt]

thats what im running

[old cobalt]

Okay, I mean YEAH, you always need at least ONE, two is reccomended

but there's a third slot there for "Fuck this elite in particular" damage resist

[snow valve]

your boltgun zealot will be very happy for the +10% multi on the focus target if you're running a comp

[fair shale]

Idk, the only think I think you flat out need on your curios is revive speed

And thats mainly for havoc

[trim badger]

+health on vet?

[snow valve]

but if you're not running a comp then whatever, yeah, sucks

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s good insurance

[honest quiver]

gets you above 200

[snow valve]

these people are crazy

[trim badger]

Of what O_o

[snow valve]

they're getting hit by bursters