veteran-class

[torn root]

so its never bad

i just got here but what bean thinks that node is bad?

[fair shale]

Im ngl I prefer the nades but its also good

[slow spade]

It's the "that poxburster never happened" button too

[sharp epoch]

I actually clutched up with field improv and just used the nades myself

[sudden cedar]

And when you run a Veteran, you will always have Grenades.

[sharp epoch]

so its nice being able to take it

[slow spade]

Trench Fighter

[sudden cedar]

Just because you regenerate Grenades, does not mean you can't pick them up

[fair shale]

Aye, hanging them out to Ogryn is very nice tho.

[torn root]

they are allowed ot be wrong, as long as yall bully them for it

kindly

[slow spade]

Indeed

[sharp epoch]

Ive been running some ogryn and rock might be a better choice to frag bomb

[slow spade]

It's ok to not take it but prepare to be blasted

[torn root]

ive had hot takes here before but that one is kinda wild

[torn root]

its like a free travel node lmao

WHY would ANYONE pass it up?

[mortal aspen]

taxe is already very fast

[hybrid plover]

No one has said trench fighter's bad what the hell

[fair shale]

I think Frag Bomb is a great oh shit button, I prefer rock for general use tho?

[mortal aspen]

with WS especially

you don't feel like you need that node

unlike, say, caxe

[slow spade]

to clarify, they didn't say it was bad just it wasn't needed

[willow prairie]

frag bomb save run

[mortal aspen]

which feels godawful without juiced up attack speed

[hybrid plover]

It just doesn't feel necessary specifically for tac axe.

[slow spade]

still objectively wrong but still a difference

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/gng-shi-gif-1984207081811554260

[sharp epoch]

Yeah rock lets you deal with muties really well which your club wont really kill all too fast if theres other things

[fair shale]

Crusher lots its mutie one shot too on Branx iirc

[hollow ibex]

laughs in skitarius

[torn root]

aah my bad then

but thats also like a not shit comment

imo

[tropic halo]

we know the rock is only good for one thing and that is stunning bosses

[torn root]

nothing is ''needed'' lmao, but it is objectively one of th ebest nodes on the tree

[tropic halo]

That is the primarly main use for me

[hollow ibex]

Eh I don’t think it’s really needed with tac reload and agri having good reload speeds to boot

[sharp epoch]

oh wow that sucks, I thought they only touched crushers not muties

[torn root]

especially being connected to iron will, its one of the best nodes on the tree

[slow spade]

it's the equivalent of saying "Iron Will isn't needed" to me

[calm prairie]

that row is solid

[mortal aspen]

not even remotely comparable

[torn root]

its not, but i would flame you for saying that

[slow spade]

to me, it is

[fair shale]

I worded that god awfully ty for understanding lol

[sharp epoch]

oh yeah do you take the rock sub talent?

[mortal aspen]

10% attack speed for melee is comparable to any of the +% damage nodes

which you don't take all of them

[tropic halo]

Nope, never

[mortal aspen]

Iron Will is the premium defensive passive on vet

the only one he has lmao

[hybrid plover]

Iron Will is genuinely kind of mandatory because of how vet functions

[slow spade]

the thing is it it also lets me stagger and do things faster as well so I can control enemies quickly before they punish

[tropic halo]

Rock base blitz is already good because I never use the rock besides for bosses and muties if the teammates werent grabbed into a wall

[slow spade]

so there's other more subtle bonuses beyond damage

[mortal aspen]

ok, Weapon Specialist is 15%

why is that not objectively mandatory and best?

[sharp epoch]

yup and landing weakspots is a pain sometimes with rock

[slow spade]

because it's conditional that you have to shoot

which takes time

[drowsy goblet]

i unllocked the spearhead boltgun

[tropic halo]

Secondary throw helps better with aim

Underthrow or whatever is called

[drowsy goblet]

i fucking love it

[torn root]

technically 10% attackspeed is more dps than only rending strikes iirc

could actually do the math

but its also comfy

[slow spade]

wait until you get the funny blessings too

[hybrid plover]

Rending strikes depending on the weapon will result in more overall damage against the targets you actually want to put down fast.

[torn root]

for melee?

[slow spade]

Rending is for all attacks

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[slow spade]

including grenades iirc

[torn root]

you're gunna have to prove that one chief

[hybrid plover]

...10% rending on all weapons

[slow spade]

I mean it literally says all weapons

[torn root]

10% melee attackspeed vs 10% rending

[slow spade]

oh that

[hybrid plover]

10% rending is actually significant

[torn root]

yeah but the comparison HAS to be for melee, obviously trench fighter does nothing for ranged

[slow spade]

the main issue with rending strikes for me is that it's out of the way for me :c

I'd prefer to get something like Agile Engagment on the right side

[torn root]

and even then the rending would only really be more dps against crushers im assuming, on what ever melee you'd argue for it

[torn root]

that's probably a lot more useful, especially if you are going for WS already

[orchid hemlock]

10% rending in isolation doesn't penetrate cara

[mortal aspen]

what

it's connected to the actually mandatory node

CDR

[hybrid plover]

It lets something that can already attack fast shred through armor a lot better.

[torn root]

i can only expect to take rending strikes if im going Focus target, other than that id expect most ppl to stop at Tactical Awareness

[slow spade]

yeah it's either that or Skimishering/Agile Engagment for the way I pathed

[hybrid plover]

I'd argue it's more of a difference to use rending on taxe than trench

But that's not every weapon at all.

[torn root]

i already know this, but the above statement still stands, its overall less of a dps increase across the board

only into carapace does it really matter

[slow spade]

pain

[torn root]

its like a 2.5% dps increase into everything else

[hybrid plover]

Bosses too.

[orchid hemlock]

Deadshot

[slow spade]

ah right I should change that

[torn root]

vs flak, and unyielding its only like a 2.5% dps increase and iirc thats us rounding upwards

[slow spade]

so Rending Strikes or +25 Toughness 🤔

[torn root]

and i use rending strikes all the time over 25 toughness

[slow spade]

yeah still messing with builds. I'll check breakpoints and see if anything funny pops up

probably not considering I'm using Psword + agri Revolver

[torn root]

im using rending right here, and im pretty sure its the only reason i got the 2 shot because im not going brutal momentum, so no increased damage from that

[slow spade]

I wish I knew what specifically charging the power sword did

I don't think any vet guides cover that sadly

[torn root]

i dont really know but I assume its just a massive damage boost

the stab just has high pen on it

[slow spade]

yeah mostly want to know if stuff like rending is wasted on psword and stuff like that

[torn root]

might actually be rending too, because the 50 damage swing is also nuking as well

never really looked into that

[torn root]

its not i dont think i can try the same thing again with out rending

pretty sure i dont get the kill

[slow spade]

such is life

[torn root]

watch me be wrong...

[slow spade]

still tinkering anyways

it's whatever anyways, in practice you'll have tons of buffs juicing you

[red portal]

Personally would use weapon specialist for psword

[torn root]

nvm

i still kill without rending

BUT

[red portal]

The dodges on it is awful.

[slow spade]

if only the Falchion was good...

[torn root]

it might still be worth because of blessings in havoc and the shenans -- just worth for me at least

[hollow ibex]

@tall torrent do you know?

[red portal]

The falchion is good just not into carapace...

[torn root]

well im using focus target because ive always liked it and its mostly for my IAG deadshot usage

[hollow ibex]

Yeah we wait literally years

[red portal]

[hollow ibex]

And this is what we get lol

[slow spade]

sure...

[red portal]

The falchions role as a weapon is a fall back for the hellbore

That's it

[frank basin]

If falchion is good on carapace would it be outshrine the Psword?

[slow spade]

maybe they got the mediocre stuff out of the way now so the next weapon drop will actually be good

[torn root]

is for gun

[hollow ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1422608292659859546/2793FC1.MP4?ex=68dd4ab7&is=68dbf937&hm=d45eb7b56c693fd26c27e130c3a9c8eebf7e8070e7a97c79ea8e7ae2efc118c4&

[grand perch]

focus target feels like the worst of the 3 keystones now somehow...even if it was slightly buffed really

[slow spade]

na, it still struggles vs stuff like rager hordes

[hollow ibex]

Take a look

[torn root]

it is

but its fun

[slow spade]

yeah it's only the best on a few builds now like Recon stuff

[torn root]

and you get to be supportive

[trim badger]

I use it for the +20% free dmg

[grand perch]

whatever floats your boat but i think big headshot damage numbers or the many buffs of WS are more fun

[slow spade]

I'm pretty sure Marksmen Recon isn't that good at least 🤔

[torn root]

im using it for the toughness and mana refund

[hollow ibex]

Falch just suffers from bad horde clear and also very bad unpowered damage

The single target damage is fine

[grand perch]

its not, dont do it

[torn root]

might take redirect fire

[slow spade]

yeah I tried it a bit in some normal damnations and wasn't impressed

[frank basin]

It rely on power attack

[slow spade]

it seems Focus Target Recon is still the best overall for Recon

[hollow ibex]

Ya way too much

[grand perch]

WS offers 10 seconds of faster firing for 1 melee kill now

instead of 5 seconds

its my keystone for recon now

[slow spade]

I personally preferred getting a potential +28% damage

[grand perch]

that buff to 10 secs kinda flew under the radar for most people, since its not typically automatic guns you associate with WS

[slow spade]

I just didn't think it mattered that much compared to more consistent damage

[mortal aspen]

2% attack speed

[tall torrent]

change atk template to active

[mortal aspen]

zoomin

[slow spade]

but it does get Skirmisher + Exploit Weakness + Agile Engagement...

[torn root]

im stuck between the extra 8% damage or getting a boost to my nades

[slow spade]

I'll give a WS Recon a try

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon scoreboard?

[grand perch]

20 percent at 10 melee stacks

[slow spade]

it's certainly worth a go. I think focused too much on the keystones and not what the nodes leading to it offered

[grand perch]

20% extra dps on recon isnt nothing

[faint beacon]

Arb is fair and balanced summarized

[tall torrent]

totally

[mortal aspen]

yeah, but you said "1 melee kill"

[hollow ibex]

Yeah but what does that do

[grand perch]

ok yeha, shoulda phrased that better

[tall torrent]

wtf 2k crits

[grand perch]

you playing rn? id have time for 1 game

[tall torrent]

we're playing auric rn

[hollow ibex]

I can’t hit 240 toughness anymore 😭 😭 😭

[frank basin]

Public auric?

[livid hill]

Thoughts on new bolt pistol and bolter? I dont think as good as the old one but has anyone found some wacky niche uses

[tall torrent]

boltgun alr
boltpistol dogshit

[frank basin]

I use boltgun for blowing enemies up

[faint beacon]

Boltpistol exists solely for opening up enemies

that or Lethal Prox combos

[tall torrent]

stagger bug fixed, can't open bulwark with it anymore

[slow spade]

new boltpistol also sounds cool

[faint beacon]

Nvm its shit

[tall torrent]

so straight to dogshit

[faint beacon]

lmao

[slow spade]

oh shit yeah it was fixed today

[red portal]

Any revolver enjoyers in chat?

[frank basin]

I maybe like revolver

[orchid hemlock]

TIER LIST

TIER LIST

TIER LIST

[frank basin]

The agripinna

[orchid hemlock]

Agri my pipi 😈

[grand perch]

20x helbore icons, all S tier

[red portal]

Oh yeah with the stagger values fixed I might not miss half my shots.

[high goblet]

REJOICE! FOR THE EMPEROR DECIDED TO NERF PLASMA GUNNERS

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[torn root]

which do yall think is more useful for the team: grenade tinkerer so i can nuke bosses more or redirect fire so we all get 8% more damage?

[sudden cedar]

Sad about the Plasma Gunners. I did like the mayhem they caused.

[frank basin]

Redirect fire if you kill enemies that spawn while boss presence

[slim pulsar]

surprisingly doable

[frank basin]

Try not ping too much or you lose stack

[high goblet]

On another note, they were snipers on steroids

[torn root]

the stacks are better now

[tall torrent]

I think vet has a bunch of weapon variants in tier 0~1 rn
not so much for melee

outside top 3 (power sword, rashad, tac axe) most are meh

[frank basin]

Theres a guy who hate the qp auric since is bunch of pubbies braindead

[sudden cedar]

@high goblet So what. I also miss Rotten Armor as a normal mission modifier.

Wish it would show up in Auric Maelstrom.

[high goblet]

just do havoc 40 ig

[slim pulsar]

try doing damnation

[sudden cedar]

No. That is not the same.

[slim pulsar]

everybody is so braindead

[calm prairie]

idk they were kind of just a boring loadout check

[frank basin]

That’s my main course

I always do damnation regular

[torn root]

damnation runs are worse than auric runs

[slim pulsar]

i cant do damnation anymore since these days it's where all the trash players go

[torn root]

ppl in auric at least try playing

[slim pulsar]

it used to be heresy where the trash players went

[frank basin]

Yeah I didn’t like have to juggle my hand to killl x y z enemies all over

In auric

I gotta keep pace normally

[torn root]

rude

we're in auric too 🙂

[frank basin]

Auric don’t have much downtime

I also need collect resources

[torn root]

auric has downtime

[frank basin]

Not if histg modifier

[torn root]

you will find plenty of space as long as you dont mind random poxies following you around

[torn root]

this isnt auric specific tho

[hybrid plover]

New bistol is horrid

[frank basin]

Since last year I try went auric for first time it really dance of death in mid spawn

[torn root]

play with me, it wont be that bad

[frank basin]

okay

[torn root]

its actually a smoother experiencein general imo

the randoms there arent too toxic as compared to damnation

and they actually play the game

[sudden cedar]

@calm prairie If it was a loadout check, people with Dueling Swords wouldn't have been smashed into the ground all the time while the event was up.

[native hamlet]

there's a mod that recolors boss hps to give it a more visual indicator. it's pretty cool. i assume you can customize it, but rn capts are green and lieutenants are yellow

[calm prairie]

what? that is the definition of a loadout check

if you dont have x weapon you will have an artificially harder time

or x ability (dome)

[torn root]

this node is lowkey a must take i feel like

25% base damage for free?!?!

didnt realize its 10seconds

isnt that like 90%+ uptime?

[frank basin]

if you slide move alot

[torn root]

can just run

which i do a loton top of sliding

[sudden cedar]

It was a mentality check. Those that chased after breakpoints found out that their strategy wouldn't work anymore and now they did not know what to do.

Same with people who overly relied on ranged weapons to deal with everything before melee becomes a thing.

[mortal aspen]

I just bolter magdumped in infested armor crushers in auric

[narrow widget]

b b b but my crusher one tap!!!!!!! wtf!!!!!!! fart shart pls fix!!!!!!

[mortal aspen]

it still worked somehow

[sudden cedar]

Once they were closing in, they just folded.

[willow prairie]

yes

it is what it is

vet also have enough crit to consistently proc the 20% damage on crit

[sudden cedar]

@calm prairie To a certain degree, of course, but you could overcome it even with subpar weapons.

@narrow widget Quite. It was fun to watch.

[calm prairie]

not really, plasma gun deleted them and made them a non issue

if you didnt bring plasma gun you were unfairly punished

[sudden cedar]

So what. People play Dark Souls and Souls-like games.

[torn root]

i dont know what the crit chance is but it feels like we got a boost in that too or im dumbe because i took desperado

[sudden cedar]

You only get punished if your mindset is bent on it.

[calm prairie]

because thats not fun, I want to use different weapons without getting slammed against a wall by an unbalanced enemy

[willow prairie]

yeah vet base crit got changed

[calm prairie]

I play those games, that mindset is not really applicable

[torn root]

how much?

7.5?

[willow prairie]

5%

[mortal aspen]

where, auric?

[willow prairie]

used to be tax node

now he have like 10 by default

[torn root]

wtf?

[willow prairie]

also from repriocity

[calm prairie]

auric, but only when it comes to dealing with plasma gunners, plus mixed hordes, plus the bugged 90% strike team spawn rate

[mortal aspen]

vet got 5% crit, -0.25 stamina regen delay, 100% suppression immunity baked in

[mortal aspen]

ok, if you're talking auric - then it's your mentaility

you can take any weapon into auric and do well

[calm prairie]

I've had that experience as well, I found the plasma gunner to upset that experience

[torn root]

you made me give up duck and dive

like actually

[mortal aspen]

plasma gunners die to almost every ranged weapon

they're just ranged maulers

[willow prairie]

why would you use duck and dive

[torn root]

dadshot

and its always stamina

enemies just have to shoot in your general direction

not sure if they are ever fixing that but it still happens

[mortal aspen]

I'd say plasma goon event wants you to bring specific abilities

but weapons - nah

[calm prairie]

the event itself? I don't really play it because its boring asf, not hi-int

but plasma gunners in a HISTG?

I absolutely felt my loadout choices being restricted

[mortal aspen]

in what way?

[sudden cedar]

I like the extra challenge when not running those loadouts that you think you are being pushed to.

[calm prairie]

I like extra challenge, just not the way the plasma gunners present(ed) it

[slow spade]

yeah even Vigilants (weakspot reliant) can reliably 2 shot scab plasma gunners now

(they got a hp nerf)

I think they're better now imo

[hybrid plover]

They still haven't fixed the fundamental issue with them but it's a good start

[slow spade]

I'd personally preferred if the Debuff wasn't AOE still

[meager echo]

what you mean punish ?

[hybrid plover]

And they at least acknowledge they haven't

[meager echo]

auric zanora just fine.

[slow spade]

I dodged? na get punished with -75% toughness regen

[meager echo]

high intensity as well

[calm prairie]

I haven't played the new patch but dealing with an elite horde, a boss, and a specialist wave, then a squad of 10 plasma gunners, you're going to struggle if you aren't already using whats the best in the game

[slow spade]

it should be better now that they're a lot weaker and spawn less often (outside of Outgunned event of course)

[calm prairie]

I haven't played the new patch so I'll see

[hybrid plover]

You don't have to be completely meta slave to deal with them

That was never the problem

[calm prairie]

you're right and I don't

[slim pulsar]

the people who liked plasma gunners seem to be people who want the game to fuck them over no matter how much skill they have lol

[hybrid plover]

The inherent issue is that they were a problem, no matter what you used save for specifically things like bubble and smokes

[slow spade]

yeah it seems that way a lot lol

[hybrid plover]

I like what they're intended to be

But their first execution is uh

Bad ™

[calm prairie]

I liked that they were really threatening, it was actually refreshing to have an enemy to be scared of

[slim pulsar]

im talking about the ultra hardcore players who genuinely liked them when they were added

[slow spade]

as long as that fucking debuff is applied when the player plays correctly (dodged, behind shield, etc) I will still be bitching

[meager echo]

What do you expect, playing at highest difficulty without best weapon loadout... Come on man, not everyone is top 1% gamer, that why meta is a thing to shorten the gap.

[narrow widget]

is bro talking about auric or h40

[slim pulsar]

why is it an AOE effect anyways

[slow spade]

I think Auric

[narrow widget]

every weapon works in auric lmao

[slow spade]

who knows, I got fucking annihilated though because I dodged a plasma shot while there were gunners

and I'm still salty about it

[meager echo]

It's apply for auric as well man, not everyone ceiling is h40. Just play the game with easy mode first then improve yourself. Why are you so against optimal loadout. Literally no one shit talk you for taking the best weapons in to the game.

[slim pulsar]

the patch notes imply the plasma gunner sound cues are broken

so at least it's unintended

you have like half a second to react before they shoot

[narrow widget]

but also saying that you're restricted to the meta loadout (esp in auric) is just flat out wrong

[mortal aspen]

the sound cue isn't matching with the actual windup

[willow prairie]

you can run the shittiest loadout in auric lmao

[slow spade]

yeah when I see a plasma gunner turn red, I just assume they're about to fire

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon idk why my game freezes on loading into mission

[hybrid plover]

Oh yeah those people are genuinely just not mentally well.

[slim pulsar]

i think it's people who just want a challenge but seem to confuse that with the experience of being new and bad at the game

ofc the game is easy when you become good

[hybrid plover]

I cannot see how suddenly getting sniped through a sandbag with absolutely no cue is supposed to actually be good for the game

[meager echo]

I get where he's coming from, Some weapon is significant easier to use. It exist in every video game. Nothing wrong with using it. Nothing wrong with being bad at video game as well.

[hybrid plover]

Me running my goofy rending onslaught taxe in 40 and outdamaging the whole team 😎

[meager echo]

People act like if you use meta weapon you get shit talk or somehow it's undermine your achievement. It's video game man.

[sharp trail]

do full grenade builds just run weapon specialist usually

[faint beacon]

See im one of those players

but I immediately noticed how utterly unfair they were even in Havoc 40

Cough them double tap flicking and being able to insta down anyone they looked at

[slow spade]

if I'm going FULL grenade build, I run Focus Target because the damage buff also boosts grenades

[faint beacon]

not to mention it was never one

no it was always 6+

reason people are getting into H40 anyways is cause they're smite cheesing it

[hybrid plover]

Havoc's win rate became very intertwined with how much the ai director would spawn that specific enemy.

[faint beacon]

aka genuinely unearned

@hybrid plover This season is fucked

[slim pulsar]

when they shoot you through crushers and you have no time to react before they take out half your health

[faint beacon]

there's nothing stopping smykers from turning it into a joke

[slow spade]

but idk WS could be good if Exploit Weakness, Agile Engagement, and Skirmisher buff grenades

not certain on those

[faint beacon]

unlike Final Tolls which was a hard counter

[hybrid plover]

I genuinely think Tolls is one of the best designed modifiers

[meager echo]

You only need 33% win rate to get to H40. Everyone and anyone can do it if you try.

[slim pulsar]

btw did mortis trials become easier? what happened to the waves of 100 trappers and hounds

[slow spade]

if anything, it got harder with the plasma gunners

[slim pulsar]

i meant before plasma gunners

[slow spade]

oh then it feels about the same

the plasma gunner deathwave is about the only new "hard" thing about it

[calm prairie]

skirmisher does for sure

[slim pulsar]

depends on the map i feel

[calm prairie]

you can 1 shot crushers with krak that way instead of having to take tinkerer

[slim pulsar]

also i hate the new snow map for mortis

it's way too open

[slow spade]

oh damn good to know, thanks for the info c:

[slow spade]

true, the old maps were easier to hide from them lol

[slow spade]

wide open map, yet my teammates ALWAYS find a way to do like 40 hp in barrel chip damage to me c:

[slim pulsar]

the map with the arvus lighter is the easiest one imo

the other has too many sniping spots

[faint beacon]

Its unfortunately a 100%

if you lack morals

run smite basically

LMAO

like im not even lying

get a smyker and you just win cause there is no counter to Smite in the current rotation

[slow spade]

my favorite is the map with the ramp in the middle that leads down

[slim pulsar]

yeah the one with the plane

that's the one

[slow spade]

ah my bad yeah that one is just a lot of fun without being randomly 1-tapped across the map c:

[slim pulsar]

the ship is called an arvus lighter

[slow spade]

one day I'll know EVERY bit of 40k lore

and go insane

[slim pulsar]

the other old map with the staircase has that one spot that's so hard

when you have to defend a location in a tiny area

[sudden cedar]

Silo Cluster.

[faint beacon]

Explain the area?

[meager echo]

Bro if you use smite to get to h40, you beat h40. It's your win no one can take that from you. Just try your best and don't int in pubs game, you will be fine.

[slow spade]

yeah it's that middle gap that fucks you over imo because it's so easy to get domed while you're not looking :c

[slim pulsar]

it has 2 doors and a staircase leading to an ammo spot

with pillars in the area

[sudden cedar]

Ah

[slim pulsar]

and a spawn area for enemies farther in

[sudden cedar]

Chasm Logistratum perhaps.

[slow spade]

it's sad that doing smite psyker Havoc runs is probably the best way to get diamantine lol

[faint beacon]

Thats a lot of maps im trying to figure out which one LMAO

You at all recall the location?

[slow spade]

I had a new player ask where to get diamantine quickly and I genuinely had to suggest "do havocs"

[faint beacon]

Hourglass, Throneside, Torrent

Carnival

etc

[slim pulsar]

the map itself starts off on an elevated platform

oh im talking mortis

[faint beacon]

OH

[slim pulsar]

there's just 3 maps lol

[faint beacon]

Yeah there's Clandestine Gloriana, The Carnival, and a Smelter map

[slim pulsar]

i just think of snow, ship and staircase map

[faint beacon]

Yeah that's most likely the Smelter map

one of the originals

[slim pulsar]

the staircase one prob yeah

[faint beacon]

Unless its coated in snow like everywhere

then thats Gloriana

Which that was added this update

[rain badger]

I haven’t played in 6 months and I’m just doing some penances. How do I get IV blessings on guns?

My brain is mush, I can’t remember

[faint beacon]

Mastery

via just playing the weapon

[midnight wyvern]

[hollow ibex]

Level up the gun

[faint beacon]

or Sacrificing weapons to it

[hollow ibex]

Or power level it for sacrifices

[rain badger]

Ok, cool. I had all blessings before they changed how that worked, and I couldn’t remember

[sudden cedar]

@slow spade Auric Maelstrom is the best method. Because you don't need to find groups for it and you can scavenge the map. For Havoc you must actually complete a Havoc run.

And.. oh.. spending less helps as well.

[slow spade]

yeah but you only need to do like 1 Havoc round and get like 3k Diamantine

then you just go back into the Damnation+ mines

[midnight wyvern]

16s are easy enough for a single person to carry you if you really need extra currency

[sudden cedar]

In case i haven't noticed, since when does a normal Havoc run reward materials?

[midnight wyvern]

and can't do it yourself

lol

[slow spade]

the weekly reward chest

[sudden cedar]

Yes. Weekly.

Okay.

[slow spade]

yeah think of it as doing 1 match for like 3k diamantine

except it's a "delayed" reward

[sudden cedar]

I'd still do Auric Maelstrom.

[midnight wyvern]

or 1 for 36k or whatever 40 gives you

[midnight wyvern]

do both

[slow spade]

yeah true lol

[sudden cedar]

I don't need to anymore.

[midnight wyvern]

a match of havoc 16 is bank for poors

nobody telling you lol

taking shit literally is

[slow spade]

still though, it's still pretty damn good rewards for new players

considering a normal damnation gets like 100-300 diamantine

then you just spam out Rolling Steel Aurics for 50k dockets in 10 minutes

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-waddle-waddler-the-waddler-waddle-cat-weird-walk-gif-9738668264510949101

[slow spade]

it's the struggle of being poor

truly the worst debuff

[hollow ibex]

IRL too

[slim pulsar]

you just had a bad spawn seed

need to reroll to get better birth conditions

[native hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-waddle-waddler-the-waddler-waddle-cat-weird-walk-gif-9738668264510949101

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-waddle-waddler-the-waddler-waddle-cat-weird-walk-gif-9738668264510949101

[torn root]

bro am i trolling for not taking weakness exploit? I kinda want to get duck and dive again

i miss my stamina

[tall torrent]

yea

[torn root]

fine....

[willow prairie]

yes

[torn root]

if i die on my havoc runs today i blame both of yall

specifically

[tall torrent]

duck & dive not worth

[drowsy goblet]

What does duck and dive even do?

[torn root]

in high havocs is basically free stamina

enemies that shoot at you just keep your stamina maxed

[drowsy goblet]

Aha

[torn root]

i use Psword so when ever im activation canceling my block eats stamina

[native hamlet]

become a gigachad. run trench fighter drill

[drowsy goblet]

I need to look into stuff that gives more ammo.
My skils are kinda all over the place

[torn root]

duck and dive stops me from getting that stamina break animation

[tall torrent]

internal CD of 3s too long

[drowsy goblet]

Maybe i'll follow a build or smth

[slow spade]

You gain stamina when you get hit

So just get hit

[torn root]

i KNOW you didnt

lmao

[torn root]

telling a bad player to get hit on purpose is wild

[slow spade]

:3

[slim pulsar]

why doesnt power sword have a blessing involving charge animation time anyways

[calm shard]

me using deadshot infantry autogun

[slow spade]

it's technically works

[torn root]

because we got fighting game cancles

[slim pulsar]

martyrdom in a nutshell

[tame lodge]

Because you can just power through it

[sharp epoch]

i swap the weapon specialist node for more ammo

also one motion instead of longshot

[slim pulsar]

i hate that this is probably intended behavior by fatshar

[torn root]

what gun are you using that needs mroe ammo?

[tall torrent]

I don't

[torn root]

im using an ammo dump gun and never run out

oh

was about to say

i think i @ the wrong person

[midnight wyvern]

replying to the wrong person

[tall torrent]

I don't take the ammo node unless I'm forced to (on MF)

[midnight wyvern]

[sharp epoch]

I needed it when ammo was broken but they just fixed it so I might not need it anymore

[slim pulsar]

i only take extra ammo for bolter

[sharp epoch]

also this is for havoc where ammo is nerfed

[torn root]

im talking about havoc as well

[calm shard]

25% ammo is just an extra skill point on the way to blessed infinite push attack spam

[torn root]

maybe i dont use my gun as much as other people

more like 60% sword 40% gun

[slim pulsar]

getting 20 plasma ammo from a big ammo pickup

[sharp epoch]

plasma gun is what I use too

[torn root]

even though i am a deadshot player

[sharp epoch]

I also use sword like 70% of the time

[tall torrent]

ammo node is just not good pickup on its own

[slim pulsar]

i'm 90% melee

which makes you wonder why i take skirmisher

[torn root]

i dont trust other players enough to be this confident

[slim pulsar]

the answer is i dont want to press z all the time

[torn root]

its free

i be running in melee

lmao

[slim pulsar]

wdym i main melee precisely because i dont trust my teamates to do melee while i do ranged

[torn root]

im not a dash dancer because i love my hands working

oh

ppl usually dont shoot elites and specials imo

[sharp epoch]

doesnt skirmisher buff melee

[slim pulsar]

if you use your gun

[torn root]

i usually have to beg if i cant handle it all

[torn root]

not just melee i think

it says base damage

[tall torrent]

ur confusing it for smth else

[slim pulsar]

wtf is my brain doing

[torn root]

yeah its base damage

[slim pulsar]

i was thinking of the rightmost purple talent

[sharp epoch]

you mean weapon specialist

[midnight wyvern]

or just agile engagement

goobers

[sharp epoch]

he said purple talent!!

[mortal aspen]

poiple

[torn root]

will say im not the biggest fan of on kill talents in games, when i can get damage non reliant on kills

unless i have points to take them

which i never do because of odd choices

[sharp epoch]

agile engagement is so good though

[midnight wyvern]

depends on the benefits and their timers compared to on hit ones

[torn root]

never said it wasnt

[midnight wyvern]

or other variants

[torn root]

i just cant take it over what i have i think

UNLESS

i sac 25 toughness

[sharp epoch]

its 25% free damage for melee and ranged

[torn root]

but thats flirting with death

[sharp epoch]

yes sack it

[midnight wyvern]

you have voc

just shout

[torn root]

yall dont understand

I am SO bad after returning

[slim pulsar]

i love shouting

[midnight wyvern]

I don't want to

[native hamlet]

rise stronger than before

[sharp epoch]

VoC uptime is kinda bad now with them killing tac awareness

maybe thats why

[slim pulsar]

i wish the 15% damage buff after shouting was applied to teamates too

[torn root]

i have noticed

[slim pulsar]

all i do by shouting is give my teamates some toughness

what kind of support ability is that crap

[native hamlet]

it can turn into gold toughness at least

[torn root]

i no longer have +50 toughness

[midnight wyvern]

I hate it when I make them immune to dying to atleast one hit

[torn root]

im going to make ppl mad at me on my runs

[midnight wyvern]

GOD this SUCKS

[slim pulsar]

coop game my ass

[sharp epoch]

I thibk they deleted the node that gave some damage to team on the ability use

[tacit sonnet]

God, this gold toughness that makes you invincible is ASS

terrible

[slim pulsar]

i was wondering if i was crazy

[midnight wyvern]

they did but it wasn't fantastic anyway

competitive urge or whatever its called should apply to your friendlies when you get kills too

[torn root]

you arent

[midnight wyvern]

[sharp epoch]

yeah it was like 5 seconds big woop

[torn root]

it used to be a travel node down from VoC

its just gone now

[native hamlet]

that's alright. curios should help out with that gap
and assuming you have iron will (i've learned the grace of it yesterday), especially with voc, it will help you survive for some time

[torn root]

i am dead shot

no toughness on curios

[topaz lance]

It's time to remove VoC from the game once and for all.

[torn root]

we play on the edge now

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-waddle-waddler-the-waddler-waddle-cat-weird-walk-gif-9738668264510949101

this you?

[native hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-waddle-waddler-the-waddler-waddle-cat-weird-walk-gif-9738668264510949101

[midnight wyvern]

the hell do you have?

wounds?

[native hamlet]

could this specimen be redirected to a version of thy?

[mortal aspen]

only 75% uptime 😭

[torn root]

stamina

[native hamlet]

stamina im guessing

for deadshot

[midnight wyvern]

[torn root]

yes but its not worth having anymore because they super buffed deadshot since i last played

i can actually get new curios lmao

[midnight wyvern]

I run 2 tough 1 stam

more than enough

could probably run a Hp just fine I just dont want to

[native hamlet]

sounds like ur soon to have 2 toughness curios alongside ur stam curios

[slim pulsar]

i run wounds because i do not have balls

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[sharp epoch]

20-25 seconds for one knockback is not that useful

[mortal aspen]

??

are you baiting or?

[hollow ibex]

VOC is still insane lol

[torn root]

bro do yall ever sit in menu then exit just to get bombarded by every friggin npc screaming at you?

[midnight wyvern]

its base CDR is 30s

[sharp epoch]

compared to a bubble that lasts 18 seconds and you can get one before the bubble even pops

[midnight wyvern]

lol

[mortal aspen]

50% uptime on gold toughness, the most broken shit in the game, by default with 0 CDR

absurd

[native hamlet]

i got 2 hp to reach the 200 hp guideline, though i thought i would be able to reach it in havoc lol, but im only like 180. afraid i may need to either run 3 hp curios or just knock a hp one down for a tough/stam one and call it a day

[atomic void]

cdr nerfs are peak now people actually have to dodge things

[slim pulsar]

gold toughness barely matters outside havoc is the thing my fellow gamers

[wise flint]

Anyone here play zealot?

[slim pulsar]

i'll still get hit and die to crushers

[atomic void]

the people in zealot chat

[midnight wyvern]

I just have a 5% health perk on a curio to get past 100 so a burster doesn't 1 tap

lol

[mortal aspen]

you will not die to a crusher if you have gold toughness on

[wise flint]

They dont talk about zealot 😂

[sharp epoch]

It's not the most broken thing in the game, things like telekine shield ignore way more things

[native hamlet]

lol

[midnight wyvern]

blessed be gold toughness for this man

[atomic void]

they do but there's a lot of off topic
feel free to ask tho

[bold sierra]

lowkey, I think the way to go vs rotten armor/stim/garden is basically like 2 vets with kraks lol

[slim pulsar]

you assume i only get hit once

you misunderstand my shittiness

[wise flint]

Yeah I did ask but they be talking dying light xD

[midnight wyvern]

huh

bubble is strong but it also gets fucking dropkicked in 5 seconds in havoc

[torn root]

so fam heres the thing

I HAVE NO 17% TOUGHNESS CURIOS

i cry

[midnight wyvern]

with a 45s cdr, which is still too low with all of psykers CDR lol

[native hamlet]

me either

[sharp epoch]

I mean with gold toughness and that many gunners your going down way faster

[native hamlet]

im still trying to get up from 15% toughness curios

[torn root]

i just bought 2x 16%

[midnight wyvern]

and bubble doesn't stop you getting shit on by melee

[torn root]

armoury op

[topaz lance]

Having multiple headshots (with audible headshot sound) not register in one mission while running MMF sucks. Feels like the servers are ass. Even more than before.

[slim pulsar]

bubble was necessary for plasma lol

[sharp epoch]

I've played psyker this patch you still get your bubble before the first one even pops

[torn root]

no it wasnt

new evasion node was just up the entire time

[midnight wyvern]

I did just say it was too low

[slim pulsar]

the what

[sharp epoch]

They have basically 100% uptime

[torn root]

bullets legit phased through psyker, was the only class that felt good playing in the event

[native hamlet]

i assume mortis trials?

[sharp epoch]

Also ogryns taunt has almost 100% uptime too with go again

[native hamlet]

there's an evasion talent you could get there. kinda cool

[slim pulsar]

oh bubble is necessary for mortis lol. i meant in general before plasma tweak today

[midnight wyvern]

taking go again over valuable distraction though

lol

[mortal aspen]

100% uptime on active abilities is cringe

[willow prairie]

i mean its a post psykernetic aura era

[mortal aspen]

but VoC is still ~75% uptime

[torn root]

65%
🙂

[slim pulsar]

especially when you're killing elites constantly which means your ability is recharging twice as fast all the time

[sharp epoch]

VoC is not as impactful as the other two abillities still though

[native hamlet]

oh right that evasion

[midnight wyvern]

valuable distraction is still goated

[torn root]

it is kinda broken ngl

[mortal aspen]

then VoC is in a better spot than the other abilities

[torn root]

espeically if you are using a surge build

[slim pulsar]

i meant to protect the rest of the team

[sharp epoch]

It's like saying arbies charge or zealots fotf is 80% uptime

[slim pulsar]

sorry, forgot that this is a solo game

[torn root]

protect them by killing dudes

[midnight wyvern]

they can give them the world and there is still something wrong with it

[torn root]

its nice to be a team player but the past day and a half of players crying for me to be their bubble bitch im done with that

lmao

[hollow ibex]

Crazy that we’re debating VOC lol

[torn root]

ppl need to learn how to play corners and cover

[sharp epoch]

I stopped taking VoC just not worth it

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[native hamlet]

you replied to someone talking about evasion. not sure where bubble came from

[torn root]

court-marshaled

[sharp epoch]

It was there for self toughness gain and it's really not as reliable anymore

[regal belfry]

which blessing and perks do you recommend for falchion

[mortal aspen]

I think it speaks volumes of how dogshit DT is powercrept when VoC uptime 60-70% gold toughness for the entire team is somehow considered bad by someone

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[torn root]

i brought up evasions as a response to them taking bubble. I was lacking context

[slim pulsar]

it started with a reply to me talking about bubble also why do you care

[sharp epoch]

Exe stance melee vet is just ironically better

[tame lodge]

New?
Empathic Evasion is not new

[midnight wyvern]

yeah wasn't even changed too lol

[tame lodge]

[torn root]

well its new to me -- never looked at it until i started playing the event lmao

[tame lodge]

[native hamlet]

you replied to me about bubble being cool for mortis trials and was confused where it came in play
just scrolled up to your bubble for plasma comment though

[tame lodge]

Understandable

[slim pulsar]

it just really doesn't stand out outside havoc for me. i feel like at this point the game need 2 completely different stats for havoc and normal game

[torn root]

FS went and nerfed the problem but im not removing evasion now

shit is actually kinda busted

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[sharp epoch]

exe stance melee vet gets results still

[native hamlet]

true

[cunning haven]

i tried max toughness on veteran for the first time ever... holy moly i feel invincible. i actually feel like im playing worse cuz of how many mistakes i know i can make

[torn root]

don't let me grab the firing squad

[mortal aspen]

is there a mod to remove the FoV change from Exe stance?

and the visuals

[slim pulsar]

i fucking wish

[midnight wyvern]

and the sound

[torn root]

you technically can turn it off by editing the notepad

[slim pulsar]

the tunnel vision is fatshark's version of a scope i guess

[torn root]

i forgot exactly where it is but ive done it before XD -- im speaking on the visual effect

[slim pulsar]

if there's a mod to increase the maximum FOV i would like to know as well

i cant see shit

[native hamlet]

i get its use, but high fov is too jarring for me lol. i like it at 70

[sharp epoch]

yes there is

[slim pulsar]

how tf

[native hamlet]

i think there is an fov mod. there's some clips and streamers i've seen with crazy fish eye effect

[sharp epoch]

I use a mod to not be zoomed in during exe stance

[slim pulsar]

in this game i pretty much need 180 degrees

[native hamlet]

same here to people that are 90 and above. pretty mirrors aren't we? 😂

[mortal aspen]

which one?

[native hamlet]

what's the mod called? i would love that

[sharp epoch]

ConstantFov

[obtuse raft]

Isn't the default max like 110 or 120. Ain't nobody actually need more than that.

[faint beacon]

See this is why I used FixedFOV mod

lmao

[meager echo]

[slim pulsar]

i do

[native hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/scaring-patrick-spongebob-squidward-claustrophobic-gif-13054517

[obtuse raft]

Nah anything above 120 is just fishing for gamer cred at the expense of usability

[slim pulsar]

blessed

[native hamlet]

what is that fov

[torn root]

okay 32% toughness i dont feel too squishy

[slim pulsar]

weak brain

[faint beacon]

The blessed 120 FOV so I can see idiots near me trying to hit me in the head with their clubs

[native hamlet]

welcome back to the right side

[torn root]

now my guna actually easts stamina lmao

[meager echo]

how is this playable lol

[obtuse raft]

Fisheye so bad you gotta get a telescope to see anything in the middle of the screen

[slim pulsar]

also you're using the meme portrait decoration

[native hamlet]

i'll keep tabs of that and constantfov

[torn root]

was like nothing before

[native hamlet]

someone said that fish eye can help aiming

[slim pulsar]

because vertical fov shouldn't be the same as horizontal

[native hamlet]

i'm not sure how if the target ur aiming at is so small hahah

[slim pulsar]

you need way more horizontal fov than vertical

[sharp epoch]

Reduces visual recoil at least

[slim pulsar]

ofc it looks dumb with just straight fisheye lense

[meager echo]

It's a slider, i just slide it to the right...

[slim pulsar]

yeah im not blaming you

im saying fatshark is dumb

[native hamlet]

crazy gun

[slim pulsar]

vertical and horizontal fov are different options in many games

[native hamlet]

i dislike assault rifles in most games

[mortal aspen]

they are different in dt too

[slim pulsar]

is it not just one fov?

[native hamlet]

nice to see it shred a crusher though

[mortal aspen]

it's one slider, but it says the fov is different, vertical and horizontal

[slim pulsar]

it should be manually set

[torn root]

and that was with 0 buffs other than focus target

[native hamlet]

yeah the fov scales, but no way to change it separately though

[slim pulsar]

maybe with game files or smth

[native hamlet]

focus target the goat

been loving that thing on my plas gun

[obtuse raft]

I haven't checked tbf but the ratio is probably scaled to your aspect ratio and IDK any good reason to do something different

[native hamlet]

and bolter

[faint beacon]

yeah you have to go into the config files

to manually set it

(which is stupid)

[slim pulsar]

thank you tencent for this glorious gift to humanity

[torn root]

its nice in havoc, at least it feels like im helping teammates -- 20% toughness and stamina at full stacks, not using the +2

[faint beacon]

I love darktide

I HATE DARKTIDE

I love darktide

[native hamlet]

i can't decide whether i wanna use extra 2 stacks or 8% dmg upon killing a marked target

[umbral scaffold]

so i’m running weapon specialist vet, really love it, very strong. i’m using bolt rifle with chainsword, but looking at the stats for the bolt pistol and rifle, shouldn’t i take the pistol for the mobility?

like is there any different really

[torn root]

i ultimately decided both are kinda not as good as everything else you can get

[native hamlet]

maybe i can sacrifice 25% ammo to get both, cuz a 20% dmg boost sounds great

[slim pulsar]

this is how my game looks with max fov in game

[meager echo]

darktide moment when my teamates are so good, nothing happen in the games.

[native hamlet]

or maybe i go more melee vet xdd

[torn root]

grenade tinkerer -- all the nodes on the right side and all the other damage nodes have higher prio than those 2 imo

[native hamlet]

yeah nodes to ws is pretty great

[hollow ibex]

Bistol is ok for WS. Bolter doesn’t really synergise with WS

[sharp epoch]

Seems FS wants vet to be melee 😔

[faint beacon]

Activate Windows
Go to Settings to activate Windows.

[torn root]

every.single.one of them, including the toughness

[native hamlet]

discount zealot goes hard

[slim pulsar]

im not paying that shit

[faint beacon]

LMAO

[umbral scaffold]

what do you recommend then? because i really enjoy the bolter

plasma cannon?

[faint beacon]

everytime I see it I have to do it to person regardless

[native hamlet]

i could, but what if i trade off toughness and kill a boss slightly quicker before i die
surely if i take the boss dmg green circle it will be worth it 🧠

[torn root]

valid

[umbral scaffold]

aren’t the autoguns mega busted now

[torn root]

im rusty so i put on the +50 earlier

cause i wasnt running curious with toughness

[obtuse raft]

Shade player

[torn root]

150-160 base i nice

in havoc its not like the toughness matters a crap ton

[native hamlet]

nah but the idea i got rn is i should probably try to squeeze a bit more damage for bolter so i could better combat havoc's innate tankier enemies and hopefully reach a breakpoint

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that works or revolver and double barrel shotgun

[native hamlet]

i think that's why people run pinning fire on boltgun but i haven't hopped on yet to look

[umbral scaffold]

is DB shotty good though?

[hollow ibex]

Yes extremely

[umbral scaffold]

what’s your set up?

[torn root]

its what im doing atm, loading on as much damage

[hollow ibex]

The gun is basically THE WS ranged weapon

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/stealth-bomber

[torn root]

i might still swap reciprocity for duck and dive

i miss my stamina

[hollow ibex]

Abuse the guarantee crit from WS to get infinite cleave and bleed on DB

[native hamlet]

u are onto something as normally I would favor defense over offense, unless it arbitrarily changes

[little path]

Take the talent point from elsewhere

[native hamlet]

is the 20% strength on weakspots when ulting pretty good?

[little path]

ye

[native hamlet]

it sounds too loaded for its buck

lol alright

[torn root]

it is i just dont use it

[little path]

It's not as loaded as it sounds

[torn root]

i dont use close quarters killzone either

[little path]

it's strong but it's still a choice

It only lasts like uuuh

10 seconds?

[native hamlet]

10s iirc

[turbid ibex]

tbf close quarters is def much weaker than the other one

[native hamlet]

good enough window for boltgun at least. not sure if others would warrant it

[native hamlet]

that one is 30% weakspot damage right

[little path]

So if you're using Exec stance, It realistically won't last the whole duration so you're use case is mainly for magdumping a boss

If it's shout then it can be good since you're spamming shout damn near off cooldown

[turbid ibex]

+15% close damage for 10s on ability use

[little path]

stealth, yeah you can stab or shoot a man in the head really hard

but again it's mainly bosses that this would help with

[turbid ibex]

marksman is really good because it just gives +20% strength when you hit weakspots

which is way more than just +15% damage

[midnight wyvern]

prob best damage buff node in game

[little path]

You mainly want to run it with shout and sneak though. You absolutely could run it with shoot if your gun can deal with carapace

but when you run with shoot, you're probably looking to instakill a boss

[tall torrent]

marksman got worse because vet CDR is not good

[meager echo]

after playing with plasma gun for so long, i can no longer play with normal weapon.
I can't aim for shiet . I missed like 5 times and the shotgunner is like 10 meters away

[turbid ibex]

im not quite sure its the best node because the cdr nerf def hurts its uptime

but its still really strong with shout and exe

stealth def not so much because longer cooldown means less uptime

[little path]

I wish stealth was changed a bit more

rather than pure assassin sneaking

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it needs a proper rework

[little path]

it's more like rambo planting explosives

when you press sneak you regain 2 nades and can throw them without being uncloaked or something

[hollow ibex]

Honestly I’d love for it to be replaced by a close and kill type ult

Zealot has the cloak already

[mortal aspen]

replace it with RV's smoke bomb

[hollow ibex]

And does it way better

[mortal aspen]

[turbid ibex]

i do think that was the original intent with infiltrate

[turbid ibex]

yeah because shroudfield is actually good

[little path]

sseth is back

[hollow ibex]

Yah that’s def what they were trying to do

[turbid ibex]

hell its even in the name

infiltrate already implies youre using it to get close to the enemies

[hollow ibex]

I’d like to see an ult that greatly increases sprint speed and increases DR while active

Replace infil

One can dream

[turbid ibex]

infiltrate already gives you movement speed

[umbral scaffold]

is this meant to do high damage against bosses or hordes

[mortal aspen]

hordes

[umbral scaffold]

gotcha

[hollow ibex]

Yeah the DR is a substitute for the stealth portion really

[umbral scaffold]

bc i’m not running that same build tree, im running my own

[hollow ibex]

Against elites, esp gunner types

[turbid ibex]

i dont think the stealth needs to go

[hollow ibex]

It prob won’t go, I just don’t know how they’ll make it a not shit version of shroud lol

[sharp epoch]

vets stealth should function like a refresh on elite kill

for ranged kills

[turbid ibex]

reduce the cooldown to 30 seconds, increase the duration of the damage bonus, make the movement speed bonus also linger

[little path]

reworked version could be like
Press button you go invis
You can use a node that makes you get 3 free nades for duration and yu stay invis
You can use alternate node that makes you have 50% free ammo chance when shooting for 7 seconds when you uncloak

[mortal aspen]

give you 3 c4 krak charges that you can attach to enemies without breaking infiltrate

and a button to perform a stealth takedown

[hollow ibex]

The nade option would be insanely broken and the ammo option would be crap

[hollow ibex]

They’d prob have to nerf low profile significantly to make this work

[little path]

2 free nades?

[turbid ibex]

still busted

[little path]

1.5

[umbral scaffold]

so basically just shred with the chainsword, when i see an elite use up my stacks swap to shotty and delete, rinse repeat huh

[hollow ibex]

Yeah though you can use DB against hordes too

It’s prob the only true horde clear gun

Don’t need to save it for just elites

In fact you shouldn’t

You can use it to snipe specialists

[umbral scaffold]

do i wanna prioritize braced or hipfire

[hollow ibex]

And general horde clear

[hollow ibex]

Just hipfire

Braced takes 2 shots and usually isn’t necessary

[umbral scaffold]

see i tried this and it doesn’t do a lot of damage from a far

[unreal nova]

You know Zealot stealth now has that on masterwork from memory. -90% threat.

[hollow ibex]

Need crit, and then the bleed will finish off snipers and shit at long ranges

Yeah it’s much shorter duration

[turbid ibex]

i think its -75% instead

[unreal nova]

Don't remember the exact number, but have been using it to BS backstab bosses on Mortis.

[honest quiver]

please feel free to share input :) https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0012873-04ef-4922-9bd4-ba7df0adb221/kriegsman-enjoyer-ft-voc-and-ws

if you say anything negative i will actually cry a lot

[hollow ibex]

Ngl I just can’t get used to WS helbore

It just doesn’t feel… right

Oh and taking One Motion would prob make life easier

[honest quiver]

not much! i tested OM and i only ended up with a .2 second difference on swap

2.36 seconds with, 2.56 without

[hollow ibex]

Well up to you but I like it on helbore

[honest quiver]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[willow prairie]

you can aim cancel with helbore anyway

why one motion

[hollow ibex]

Accounting for that already

Just feels better

[honest quiver]

@tawdry osprey can u look at my build and give me positive affirmation 👉 👈

[slim pulsar]

mfer doesnt have the helbore skin

fake larper

[honest quiver]

STOPPP

[hollow ibex]

Only other thing I’d say is SC instead of thrust on shovel

[honest quiver]

i should've put on a big stupid scope with the weapon customization mod

[hollow ibex]

But otherwise looks good

[meager echo]

what is aim cancel.

[slim pulsar]

when you let go of right mouse

[hollow ibex]

ADSing when drawing

[meager echo]

for faster swap ?

[slim pulsar]

it's more that the animation takes way longer than the actual switch

so you can start shooting sooner

people calling it a cancel as if the animation isn't just stupid

[umbral scaffold]

i’m guessing rising heat and gets hot is still the golden combo for plasma or did that change with the update

[meager echo]

I have no idea how to use hellbore, I miss head way too often for it to work

[slim pulsar]

the rate of fire really fucks with me too

but you get used to it

[hollow ibex]

It should be pretty easy now that they have a big projectile hitbox

[slim pulsar]

the only thing i have difficulty hitting is the head of an ogryn boss

those things move around way too fast

and a fleshmob

[slow spade]

chaos spawn are a bitch to headshot :c

[hollow ibex]

Hate those

[slim pulsar]

it's only because they move so fast tbh

and they grab you

[umbral scaffold]

this is why i smack it with chainsword

[slim pulsar]

anyways now that stagger is fixed i can actually hit headshots

[meager echo]

how do I do the swap cancel. Press q then hold right mouse button right ?

[slim pulsar]

just aim after switching to helbore

it does it almost immediately if you have the faster switch talent

but you can also do it by shooting

really anything will "cancel" the animation

[obtuse raft]

Hundreds of hours in both games and I'm pretty sure I've still only ever done it on accident.

[slim pulsar]

i cant heashot one if it's running towards me

but that's just a very short window of time

[honest quiver]

do you guys like my build though

can i cry yet

[mortal aspen]

which build

[honest quiver]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0012873-04ef-4922-9bd4-ba7df0adb221/kriegsman-enjoyer-ft-voc-and-ws

be sure to read desc fact check me

[meager echo]

the gun is so good but im bad with it. Gotta practice more...

[slow spade]

you should REALLY consider getting Shocktrooper

any lasgun should get Shocktrooper especially ones that use like 10 ammo per charged shot :p

[hollow ibex]

Gonna be very hard to reach on a melee build

[slow spade]

yeah I'm only seeing like 2 points that can reasonably be moved

[mortal aspen]

mk5 is the fast firing one, right? Surgical is sort of anti-synergy?

[hollow ibex]

Tbf it’s still 10-20 percent more crit

[fossil creek]

Oh yeah

Krieg builds

I love

[willow prairie]

what trauma dump stat again

[fossil creek]

I loveeee

[slim pulsar]

is there even a krieg skin for shovel