veteran-class

[undone jungle]

im guessin you want high collat on it

[hybrid plover]

Dump mobility ya

I got like

1.2m damage with it last night on a lights out monstrosities lol

[undone jungle]

what blessings do you use on it? im guessing pinning ifre

[hybrid plover]

Pinning fire puncture

[unreal nova]

It would honestly be better if they merged both marks. So is just OG but booms better.

[hybrid plover]

It synergizes particularly well with smokes

[hoary marsh]

Basically everything is dump mobility. Loo

[undone jungle]

okayyy thank you nice enby

[soft solstice]

I feel like build another shovel since I love the base one so much. I want to try something different, is uncanny strike really that good? I’ve been running it forever but the shovel already has high rending on everything but carapace, and I don’t think it’s damage is crazy enough for it to be that great against them, especially when I can stun lock and hope for my team to help out more there

[undone jungle]

i will run it with smokes because theyre actually rlly good since plasma gunners were added ngl

[hybrid plover]

Since it can make up for loss in stagger from frags

[undone jungle]

honestly I run OG shovel with uncanny + decimator a lot

flakaniac

[soft solstice]

That’s been my go to forever but I want to try something different

[undone jungle]

the other shovels are ... eh

they used to be alright

idk

they fell off a lot

[fair shale]

I like the last shovel you unlock, with the spike hit special

[willow prairie]

never been that good

[hoary marsh]

Honestly I like the mark 4 Helbore better. Charged shots one shot almost anything.

[undone jungle]

mk3 with skullcrusher can 2 shot crushers with the right setup if i rember

but like

[soft solstice]

OG shovel is probably my favorite, it’s only lacking feature was always damage and I guess no fancy blessings

[undone jungle]

psword

exists

[hybrid plover]

Unfortunately, for og shovel, it's kind of necessary.

[unreal nova]

Using deci+skullcrusher also works tbh.

[undone jungle]

ye

if you want try out like mk3 with scrusher and deci

[willow prairie]

deci + skullcrusher don't help with armor

uncanny is a must on og

[undone jungle]

mk3 dont need it i rember correctly

[unreal nova]

I told papa about that btw.

[undone jungle]

on og yeah

who the fuck is papa

[unreal nova]

Willy.

[undone jungle]

what

[fair shale]

I like skullcrusher decimator on shovel tbh

[hybrid plover]

Even with all the rending help it gets with vets new tree, it just isn't enough to deal with carapace and unfortunately, that's now the new big balance check

[stark pollen]

anyone know if the weapon blessings that make you immune to ranged damage affect the new plasma gunners?

[soft solstice]

I want to force myself to push and push attack more so I was tempted to use take a swing, and I feel like deci or all of nothing would pair better

[undone jungle]

you rlly dont need to force yourself to use push attacks on mk1 shovel since its already good XD

[primal zealot]

oldgryn crackhead

[hoary marsh]

I use Hammberblow and Decimator on shovel.

[unreal nova]

On mk3, you 2 hit, maybe 3 hit crushers in the head now.

Need to check.

[ebon prism]

also, my veteran feel VERY fragile now

[undone jungle]

huhhh dont know em

[balmy ermine]

I dont see why they wouldn't

[ebon prism]

is that normal?

[dusky galleon]

Whats dump on the falchion?

[undone jungle]

you got rusty

:D

[hybrid plover]

Wats ur setup

[soft solstice]

I know, there just not as much benefit pushes and stuff here compared to verm 2 so I’ve just super ignored it for years

[ebon prism]

currently in-mission

will show once able

[hybrid plover]

I run with like no toughness nodes and I feel tanky as shit with all of the ridiculous stamina regen

[soft solstice]

I just want to feel like I’m doing more with my weapon besides the most basic ass heavy attacks for hordes and light spamming for single targets

[unreal nova]

We don't have DR without niches and the new plasma cunts destroy the main niche one we have. So you die very fast if you get hit even once.

[undone jungle]

plasma guns just hurt everyone rn

[hoary marsh]

How we feeling about the new bolter variant?

[undone jungle]

slide spam more

use smokes more

press space

[unreal nova]

You try at 300-400 ping.

[hybrid plover]

My new favorite

Very fun to use.

And very strong if you understand not to use it like old bolter

[hoary marsh]

I gotta try it out. Tested it in meat grinder. Explosion radius is huge.

[unreal nova]

All are gambles.

[undone jungle]

ironically you actually wanna be at high ping, but by that i mean like 100-120, you should maybe try arbites if you're at 300-400 to avoid dying :^)

[hoary marsh]

Yeah i got the feeling a little. What blessings you run?

[unreal nova]

Smoke does't work at that ping.

[hybrid plover]

Pinning fire + puncture

Pinning fire synergizes particularly well with it because it staggers so much in a shot.

[undone jungle]

just tried it out and it fucks

[hoary marsh]

Ill give it a try. Gotta swap off WS lol.

[undone jungle]

good shit

[hybrid plover]

I honestly recommend WS with it lol

[undone jungle]

its an upsided bolt pistol not a boltgun

i get it now

[hybrid plover]

It supplements melee vet really, really well.

[unreal nova]

Honestly, 100 is low ping. 5 is extremely low.

[hybrid plover]

What I would recommend

[hybrid plover]

Is using exe stance with it.

[hoary marsh]

Hmm. Ok I'll stick with it. To used to quick draw stub with WS and changing very very fast between weapons. Lol

[ebon prism]

that's for a Krieger style veteran

so Lucius + Shovel

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent please send me some pu-erh tea

[hybrid plover]

One motion makes weapon switch nimble enough for me

[undone jungle]

i honestly prefer bistol nowadays for WS since the AOE stagger is like a mini instant shredder which is super clutch

[hybrid plover]

Oh. Oh dear.

[ebon prism]

That bad huh?

[hybrid plover]

It's questionable.

[ebon prism]

I just want damage at long range, and to be TANKY

[unreal nova]

Don't you have an Asian market?

[hoary marsh]

Yeah i switch back and forth between bolt pistol and revolver. I just gotta find a decent Bistol.

[hybrid plover]

Oh God you don't have Iron Will.

Yeah that's one major issue with that build right there.

That's probably why you feel squishy.

[steel surge]

Testing the stealth bomber right now, wew lad does that rashad and shotgun hit hard

[hybrid plover]

What weapons with this

[ebon prism]

Lucius

[hybrid plover]

And the melee?

[ebon prism]

SHOVEL

[hoary marsh]

@hybrid plover what's the build you run with WS bolt gun. Am curious.

[hybrid plover]

Gotta remake it but lemme help kuro first lol

[hoary marsh]

Your good. Take your time. Lol

[tame lodge]

Eh

[undone jungle]

you could throw dia at the problem and just make one

i recommend dumping reload speed

mobilitymax

[soft solstice]

I feel like pinning fire on the new bolter would be kinda bad since the point of it is more stun locking at the cost of ammo and damage, so if you wanted to use it that way you’d want the regular bolter instead

[hoary marsh]

High Mobility on Bistol?

[tame lodge]

Counterpoint

Instant pinning fire max stacks

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah isn't pinning fire one of the best blessings already? 💀

[soft solstice]

Bolt pistol likes mobility since I feel like it’s made with run n gun in mind

[undone jungle]

the reload speed basically doesn't matter even on builds that dont use weapon specialist, the high mobility lets you run shit mobility weapons and actually gives you one of the strongest dodge/sprint speed options in the game. it's the meta for both zealots and psykers using greatswords to not be slow asf

[soft solstice]

But I feel like you can easily dump it, but stability I think is fine to dump for that

[undone jungle]

still works on vet if you run rashad or pswords since their mobility is eh

[hoary marsh]

So highb mobility on normal bolter as well? Ill have to try that. Hadent considered doing that.

[soft solstice]

So why not use it on the bolter with more ammo, a bigger mag, and better damage

[undone jungle]

no lmao

[orchid hemlock]

Because the new bolter is cheeks

[undone jungle]

bistol high mobility is huge, bolter high mobility is like oiling up a snail

[dusky galleon]

What to take?

[hoary marsh]

Ok good. I dumped mobility on my current boltgun and never looked back. Lol

[hybrid plover]

It good

[orchid hemlock]

🍑

[undone jungle]

i mean you probably wont lose too much dumping reload on bolters, since the tiny bit of dodge distance could help but tbf its a meme

[soft solstice]

A bolt gun with high mobility is still pretty bad, so you don’t feel the difference in dumping it

[hybrid plover]

It just isn't meant to be used like old bolter

[hoary marsh]

Fair enough. Since patch I've been collecting the last few perfect roll weapons to master out veteran.

Only need bolt pistol and double barrel left.

[soft solstice]

I’ve been running zealot more to try stuff now after the change and I feel the mobility tbing when I run t hammer or relic blade with an infantry las gun so I get the bolt pistol being a nice high damage option while still having good sprinting

[unreal nova]

Isn't it collateral dump unless the extra tiny bit more does something now?

[hybrid plover]

Out here getting 1m damage on a regular basis in auric with new bolter and I'm being gaslit into thinking it's bad

[hoary marsh]

Yeah i am doing what is did for vermintide and max out every class. So need 1 more penance and master vet weapons and then I can do the others. Lol

[hybrid plover]

Idgi

[unreal nova]

Or is that for bolter and not bistol?

[soft solstice]

I can see collateral being a dump stat on it but veteran does have enough fair options to boost it that I get dumping reload

[orchid hemlock]

Oh yeah I got a million damage with just a CS

😏

[soft solstice]

I thought we were talking bolt pistol

[ebon prism]

@hybrid plover Attempt I made

[undone jungle]

I mean, collat on new bolter is probably pretty good but seriously given a choice just dump mob

is buffed shredders still worth it or nah

[mortal aspen]

it's nice that the new bolter is still automatic, if much slower
i thought it was semi-auto always at first

[unreal nova]

Same, why confused.

[orchid hemlock]

Do I need to make a bolt gun build to use as a sign post?

[unreal nova]

Personally, yes. BIG ROOM STAGGER?

[soft solstice]

I sorta like the shredder pistol but I just have trouble picking it over a braced auto gun, I do like running on arbite with their version of weapon specialist since they get stagger stuff

[unreal nova]

Buys time and space if you drop two as usual.

[undone jungle]

ya but if i had 1 talent point and had to choose between buff damage/aoe or +1 nade and gamble which one would take the cake

[unreal nova]

+1 'nade for most. The damage is only the boom. Bigger radius is compensated with Lethal Proximity much.

[soft solstice]

Oh the grenades, I think you mostly buff shredder nades for the AOE, but I think it’s worth it

[hybrid plover]

that is somehow worse

[undone jungle]

just askin cus its the decision i had to make in a build :P

[unreal nova]

Is up to you.

[ebon prism]

[unreal nova]

If I am memeing, tinkerer and Lethal.

[hybrid plover]

or wait you have Iron Will

Okay

[unreal nova]

Always.

[hybrid plover]

it's better

marginally so

Lemme fix something up

[unreal nova]

Hitting a massive area never stops being funny.

Also a, fuck server positioning. EVERYTHING STAGGERS AND BLEEDS.

[tall torrent]

don't have any
u can buy online

[hybrid plover]

https://gyazo.com/12abff3aaf37a7f8e0954ed208f95137

i'd run something like that with helbore if you're going mmf

problem is, mmf pathing is just

ass

so you're kinda pressed with where to put points

[sullen scarab]

One Motion or Volley Adept on a Shout/Rashad/Boltgun build?

Leaning more towards One Motion lol

[unreal nova]

Actually, do you Lethal or no?

[undone jungle]

lethal proximity?

[ebon prism]

MMF?

[tropic notch]

[undone jungle]

cus yeah i do

[hybrid plover]

marksman focus

the left keystone you're using

[ebon prism]

I'm thinking of switcing to the voice of command

used to love markman before

but it just... Doesn't do it for me now

[undone jungle]

marksman is rlly good now tho?

at least with shit like the new vigilant

[mortal aspen]

Exe stance is a drug

i love giving me and my team permanent wallhacks

[hybrid plover]

i'd argue

[undone jungle]

thats rather rude

you probably shouldnt do that

[hybrid plover]

someone who knows what they're doing can get more out of exe stance than shout

[ebon prism]

I'll try out your build Knife

[unreal nova]

Then you decide. Both be good mhm. I would try to get both tbh.

[mortal aspen]

I noticed that Exe sometimes doesn't highlight enemies btw

[ebon prism]

IF THE GAME DECIDED TO STOP THROWING 20 ARMORED RAGER AT US!

[hybrid plover]

pox gas

[mortal aspen]

no no

[ebon prism]

5 match, 5 defeat in record time

[mortal aspen]

like a mutant spawns and isn't highlighted

[sudden cedar]

Sounds like a skill issue.

[mortal aspen]

while my exe is rolling

[undone jungle]

kay

[unreal nova]

Time for LP kraks, I guess.

[hoary marsh]

Should I take a +15 toughness boost or take the 10% toughness DR? I feel like DR is the best option...

[ebon prism]

I mean, it IS funny when a bomber manage to bomb 3 guys outside in the void without the "catching the railing"

[undone jungle]

did you guys hear that hawk tuah girl died

[sudden cedar]

Classic Gloriana.

[unreal nova]

I still say extra 'nade is safer, but ability to hit stagger everything in a huge area can save ppl.

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/live-bile-troll-reaction-bile-troll-vermintide-vermintide-2-versus-versus-gif-14791691335031301398

[undone jungle]

sorry i lied for comedic effect

[orchid hemlock]

Welcome to the CIA

[primal zealot]

more like rock tuah 🪨

[undone jungle]

wait thats actually very funny

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/the-talk-tuah-podcast-family-guy-hey-peter-talk-tuah-hawk-tuah-gif-16513162795526546223

[undone jungle]

can we get mods to pin this message

[orchid hemlock]

No

Nothing based in Vet chat 😞

[primal zealot]

i though you were gonna say pin the arbooty

[tame lodge]

Eh

She also rug pulled people so

[primal zealot]

i mean

[undone jungle]

i respect her for rugging

[primal zealot]

if you fell for that shitcoin

[faint beacon]

Mad that hawk tuah was peak

[primal zealot]

u deserve it

[undone jungle]

she did it once and realized "wow this shit is a lot of work" then disappeared

thats respectable

i admire hawk tuah

[primal zealot]

pfft i dont

[sullen scarab]

How much toughness do you want to be at on veteran lol

[primal zealot]

i could pull that off if i was a beautiful mid with a billionaire father with connections in high finance and intelligence agencies

[sullen scarab]

debating if I should take out a +25 toughness node

[fair shale]

If you bought into the crypto currency of someone who got famous for talking about sucking dick I blame you more than them

[mortal aspen]

Cryptuah

[hybrid plover]

i honestly don't think it's needed

[faint beacon]

Shark tuah

[undone jungle]

toughness node tuah and point invest in that thang

[sullen scarab]

im scared

[hybrid plover]

vet's main issues

are things that toughness cant even do anything about

[sullen scarab]

I'm at like 172, I'd be at around 200+ with the toughness node

basically trying to find one point so I can take one motion and reload speed for the bolter lmao

[hybrid plover]

it has so much regen that having a lot of toughness doesn't really do that much anymore

[sullen scarab]

yeah that's waht I figured lol

since I have shout anyways

I like having Volley Adept and One Motion so I don't feel like a slug with the bolter

[tame lodge]

Wrong question

The real question is about hp

And the answer is 200

Plus 1 sniper res

[sullen scarab]

wtf

[mortal aspen]

it's for havoc

[tame lodge]

Oh then disregard it

[sullen scarab]

LOL

I might slap sniper res on it anyways

[tame lodge]

Makes sniper hit for ~98 iirc

[hoary marsh]

What i am messing with right now. For pretty much every weapon except Plasma and Las.

[tame lodge]

Instead of 122.5

[sullen scarab]

Actually, what do I do with my trinkets anyways nowadays, I never touch them

[undone jungle]

idk

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ffee88d-37b8-4e5c-8b8d-7fa866416bad/knife-bolter?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[mortal aspen]

you're missing the best grenade regen talent

[undone jungle]

i run 3x stamina curios so i can outrun the zealot

[mortal aspen]

Demo team

[hybrid plover]

need 2 try this in havoc but

[sullen scarab]

I'm running like 2 toughness/1 HP with +Toughness/Stamina Regen/Gunner damage reduction since forever, should I change anything

[ebon prism]

@hybrid plover I have one more request... Could you make me from scratch a Plasma-gun build? :3

[hoary marsh]

Eh. I feel like toughness extra on kill takes me further.

[hoary marsh]

Thanks brother.

[hybrid plover]

was a lights out i did with that exact setup

https://i.imgur.com/w3hDBn9.png

lol

[mortal aspen]

Demo team is what enables grenade spam

not 60s regen

it's super good

[hybrid plover]

now here's the funny thing

onslaught is not bad on new bolter

because the aoe inflicts brittleness too

[sullen scarab]

no way

[stark pollen]

that's actually interesting

[mortal aspen]

a whole 2.5% brittle per shot

[undone jungle]

i tweaked mine a bit since theres a few things i disagree with but overall an interesting and fun build

[hybrid plover]

when you're shooting into a mixed horde filled with a bunch of armor, it actually matters

[mortal aspen]

but why not take shrimpact instead?

[hybrid plover]

shrimpact doesn't help with using it to pick off priority targets

i dont use this as a boss killer

[sullen scarab]

is combat ability regen good on Veteran trinkets?

[hybrid plover]

shout yes

exe stance

useless

infiltrate

[sullen scarab]

ok

[hybrid plover]

dead ability

[sullen scarab]

been running this since like....forever. lmao

[hoary marsh]

What Perk you running on Boltgun?

[sullen scarab]

stamina regen still worth it with the changes?

or nah

[hybrid plover]

flak + maniacs actually

[hoary marsh]

Thats what i got. Perfect. Lol

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[hybrid plover]

i'd prefer it being able to more consistently handle things I want dead fast than turn it into a boss killer since it just isn't great for that

[hollow ibex]

Esp now that vet stam eco isn’t a fucking meme lol

[sullen scarab]

lmao

[hybrid plover]

i have the combat knife for bosses

[sullen scarab]

Trying to see if i should run like Toughness/Stamina Regen/Gunner res or Toughness/Combat ability regen/Gunner

[hoary marsh]

I had +30 Tough regen for the longest time on all 3 of my curios.

[sullen scarab]

[hollow ibex]

Oof

[hoary marsh]

Yeah running damnation with +90 percent toughness regen. Totally worth it. Hahah.

[hybrid plover]

oh also, onslaught helps, surprisingly well if you dont want to run uncanny on a fast hitting weapon

[mortal aspen]

just in case: toughness regen on trinkets only affects coherency regen and delay

[sullen scarab]

If you run triple combat ability regen, how much does that save you on shout?

[hoary marsh]

Yeah, I realized that after far to into the game. Haha.

[mortal aspen]

3.6s

[hollow ibex]

Like 3 seconds

[sullen scarab]

ah ok

[mortal aspen]

can you share your full build? i'm curious now

[sullen scarab]

I think I'll stick with the stamina regen then

i like having stamina lmao

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ffee88d-37b8-4e5c-8b8d-7fa866416bad/knife-bolter?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

might change the +5 toughness perks on curios to health

[fair shale]

Revive Speed 10/10 on curios

[sullen scarab]

oh shit your trinkets are the same as mine

i like the 2nd and 3rd trinkets being ???

[mighty willow]

We deadass know it's going to be used often on pubs

[fair shale]

Running 2 of em has legit saved my pub havoc runs

Running 3 feels even better but costly

[mighty willow]

You could say "Just don't die, lol", but that is usually not understood

[fair shale]

Regrettably that is not an option for pubs

Ive tried

"You are not allowed to die here" and they die anyway

Like wtf man

[tame lodge]

Yeah it got buffed

[fair shale]

I don't think it matters sub havoc but in havoc I'd always run 2

[sullen scarab]

i understand now

my brain is expanding

[tame lodge]

You'll probably need 201 hp

Since bursters are 100 damage

[sullen scarab]

yeah

[tame lodge]

50 corruption
50 health

[sullen scarab]

I hit 213 HP with 2 hp trinkets and 1 toughness

i'm guessing you just run 2 hp 1 toughness then?

[hollow ibex]

Honestly idk if this is a breakpoint worth building for

[tame lodge]

Possibly
I haven't checked my curios in forever

[hollow ibex]

Essentially yes

[sullen scarab]

I just happen to have a bunch of 420 trinkets so I can mess around with it lol

Ok, I think I have a good mix.

running Toughness/Gunner Resist/Stamina Regen on 2 of the curios, one Toughness/Gunner Resist/Sniper Resist

Over 200 hp

Getting aorund not having One Motion by sliding around and I think I'm animation cancelling the pullout animation lmao

Every time I ask questions in here I feel like my brain gets bigger and I understand the game more, then I go play a match and my team mate blows me off the edge to my death instantly from a barrel

[tame lodge]

[midnight wyvern]

should I be running infernos on a recon on vet?

or dumdum

[fair shale]

Infernus is why its used tbh

[tame lodge]

Dumdum is core

[fair shale]

Run both

The weight of fire will crit

[hollow ibex]

Both are important though dumdum especially so

[hoary marsh]

@hybrid plover I dig the build. ON the fence about the smoke grenade. Normally I prefer Frag, but the attack speed bonus and bleeds are really nice. Feel like except for Plasma and Laser this can be used with almost any weapons.

[hybrid plover]

That particular concern, is exactly why I like the new bolter

It makes up for the lack of stagger from frags.

[hoary marsh]

Yeah I just blazed it into groups a couple times and watched them disappear. I saved the Smoke for ranged groups.

[hybrid plover]

Only thing it unfortunately wont stagger is bosses but otherwise, it acts as a fill in for space making.

[hoary marsh]

Never used the Smoke grenade before yesterday to get the penance. So its a new thing I gotta get used to .

[hybrid plover]

1. Throw smokes ahead to where you want to advance for safer traversing

2. Throw smoke on yourself in horde to cause light stagger to anything that aren't ragers or ogryn type enemies.

3. Throw smoke on downed teammate to stagger whatever's around them and disable ranged line of sight on them.

[hoary marsh]

YEah I noticed if it explodes near them they do a little stun thing.

[hybrid plover]

Think of it

As a psyker bubble basically.

But with that little extra utility of stagger

Also if you don't want to use knife

Tac axe is also a very good option for that build

[hoary marsh]

Yeah Ill have to work on it. I gotta work on a generalist build as well. I want to put together a buld that can basically use anything aside from switching one or 2 nodes.

[hybrid plover]

I'd imagine it also synergizes well with frags cuz you can probably throw a frag, shoot a few times so it can clear a horde that you'd usually need two frags for.

[sharp epoch]

I think the stagger on smokes should be increased to a small one for bulwarks and crushers

[hybrid plover]

i agree

[hoary marsh]

Yeah I am playing with it a little to widen use if I am not using a Boltgun. I gotta get used to Skirmisher. Keep accidently letting it fall off and it looses all stacks.

[hybrid plover]

Dodge slide

If you can finish a slide, it keeps the stack going.

It doesn't have to be a sprint slide.

That is key to abusing skirmisher when you dont have the space to sprint anywhere

[hoary marsh]

Dodge slide keeps it up? Oh thats even better.

[sharp epoch]

i cant decide between skirmisher and that 25% toughness nodr

[hybrid plover]

skirmisher

I am of the firm belief that veteran doesn't really need high toughness anymore.

Because the toughness regen you can amass can offset a lot.

The main issue

Is the stuff that doesn't care about your toughness.

[sharp epoch]

yeah I figured the only times i do go down its the suprise plasma gunners where toughness doesnt even matter

plasma gunners are fun though

[hybrid plover]

i like them

in theory

they just really need some audio tuning

[hoary marsh]

So Everything else in your build is the same, I just swapped it to frag for if i run like Revolver, or any other weapon. LAs not account for.

[sharp epoch]

normally people just run straight up to gunners now they really cant

serrated blade?

[hybrid plover]

do keep in mind that serrated isn't a "have to" pick

[hoary marsh]

Its a good mobile build. And since i dodge like crazy Ill try to remeber dodge slid can keep my domage up. For some reason I keep dodge jumping. lol

[hybrid plover]

i use it because it works well with onslaught for that build i have

[hoary marsh]

Yeah for knife I can see why.

[sharp epoch]

did you bind jump to another key?

[hoary marsh]

No, space bar. I dont know why I keep instintivly hitting it and dodge at the same time. lol

Like I am mis timing it or something.

[sharp epoch]

keep dodge on space bar, bind jump to like ctrl or alt

or c

[hoary marsh]

Ooooooh. Yeah.

[sharp epoch]

my crouch/slide is c, ctrl is jump

its a little awkard sometimes but jumping is really rare to use other than vaulting

[hybrid plover]

i bound dodge to one of my side mouse buttons

v.easy to get the slide dodge down that way

[sharp epoch]

I might do that too but one of my side mouse buttons is the special activation

[hoary marsh]

Yeah thats what i just did. Way easier to hit it. I did have Blitz on there but now I just put blitz on alt and its still easy to hit but lets me hit dodge slide way eaiser.

Good lord. You can Dodge slide while reloading. Ok yeah way easier to keep up now.

[midnight wyvern]

they should give hellbore deadly accurate

[hearty panther]

man Marksman Focus is pretty damn good now, but holy shit all the nodes that get you there are terrible

I'm also not entiely sure Kill Zone was buffed either with the change they gave it lmao

[midnight wyvern]

pretty sure they didn't change it

[hollow ibex]

What did they even change on killzone

[hearty panther]

They did

It was 15% with no one 8m from you

Now it's like CaB

15% if you haven't been meleed ... for eight seconds

[turbid ibex]

its been like that for a while now

[hearty panther]

Has it?

[turbid ibex]

yes

[hearty panther]

What a stinky talent.

[hollow ibex]

Yah

It’s ok

Could be worse

Needs to be better

[mortal aspen]

the nodes are ok I think, they just don't compare to how absurd the right side is

but forcing you to take +25% ammo to pick up Shock Trooper is peak trolling by

[hollow ibex]

So true

[red robin]

Veteran is gonna get a full class rework assumably in December

[sudden cedar]

Why would Veteran need a full class rework in your opinion?

[hollow ibex]

I hope so

[sudden cedar]

The way i see it, this.. IS.. the rework.

[turbid ibex]

not exactly a full on rework

[hollow ibex]

It’s kinda half assed

[fair shale]

You got like, a reputable source on that?

[red robin]

Play testers said this vet touch up is a rebalance

[hearty panther]

New tree will be one talent point that gives you all three abilities and keystones at once and then 29 sprint cost reduction nodes.

[mortal aspen]

as long as they don't touch WS they can do whatever they want

[red robin]

Mister E said it in a video from what he got from play tester information, but he could be wrong

[fair shale]

I'm still playing Arb bro

[turbid ibex]

yeah the current iteration feels like a provisory version until they can actually finish it

[native hamlet]

ws?

[mortal aspen]

weez snuts

[fair shale]

Nah fair enough, I just like knowing there's more than "it came to me in a dream"

[mortal aspen]

weapon specialist

[native hamlet]

oh yeah that one. it looks good, but not sure if the guns i like would benefit from it much

the nodes there are awesome tho from what i see. agile engagement looks really awesome sauce

[hollow ibex]

Right side is bonkers

[tropic notch]

I’d never listen to anything mr e says ngl

[native hamlet]

fr

[midnight wyvern]

there is no youtuber I would for DT information lol

[native hamlet]

is skrimisher as free as it sounds?

[midnight wyvern]

hard maybe on Ryken sometimes

[native hamlet]

good dmg boost for just doing vet things? lol

[hollow ibex]

Yup

Pretty much

[native hamlet]

truly peak

[turbid ibex]

it also doesnt help that the bottom part of the tree still feels like it suffers from pretty much the same issue as it did before

costs too much to reach the keystones

[midnight wyvern]

dont you like being forced to split your points across the bottom still?

its fun guys

Cdr in the middle, ammo/weakspot on the left and juicer nodes on the right

such choice

[mortal aspen]

arbites has 2 nodes between abilty and keystone, vet has 5

💀

[native hamlet]

question for y'all: would plasma gun and helbore mk4 fill similar roles? both feel headshot reliant and rewards pretty well
only just learned that plasma doesn't interact with deadshot at all so that's rough, but i can flex it elsewheres

[hollow ibex]

Not quite

[native hamlet]

asked before, but still unsure what i want. more i use of plasma gun, more unsure i am if it's balanced or op lol

[tame lodge]

It's op

[hollow ibex]

Plasma is more a big cleave, smaller elite and general specialist deleter

[native hamlet]

terrifying 😔

[hollow ibex]

Helbore is a big boy destroyer

[tame lodge]

Op like Helbore

[hollow ibex]

Mk IV

[native hamlet]

big boy as in bosses? or for crushers

[red robin]

Damn

[native hamlet]

helbore is also op? damn

[red robin]

I miss hotshot blessing applying to melee attacks

[tame lodge]

Infinite ammo can one shot anything that isn't a boss

Yeah

That's op

[red robin]

Weird jank was fun to use

[hollow ibex]

Both yeah

[tame lodge]

And we love it

[hollow ibex]

Helbore Mk IV excels at destroying heavy armor and bosses

Plasma not so much

Can do the job, not not efficiently

Better at destroying clumps of smaller elites

[red robin]

Helbore mk IV is which one again?

[hollow ibex]

And specialists hiding behind hordes

[red robin]

The light or heavy variant?

[hollow ibex]

Heavy one with shit bayonet

[red robin]

Zamnn

God

Praying next big update revamps blessings and options on build variety on a weapon level

[hollow ibex]

I honestly prefer Mk V now

Mk IV is overkill and not worth the downsides

[fair shale]

The longer I'm on earth the less I care about what basically any video game youtuber says

[tame lodge]

No such thing as overkill

[midnight wyvern]

I just watch the occasional Mr unc video where he's doing something dumb

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tharuka-tharuka-is-wise-gif-19588521

[fair shale]

I'll watch like, DNSL

Daniels does some funny shit

[fresh dome]

is chain sword or chain axe more single target?

[hollow ibex]

Chaxe

[tame lodge]

Axe

[fresh spire]

For smokes in havoc, do I still take demo team + 60s cooldown or only one of them

Or even the +1 max grenade

[fair shale]

Idk, I like every made perk

Cause 2 nades is 1 and 1 is none.

[fresh spire]

Yeah but do you get anything out of spamming smokes other than blinding your team

[fair shale]

Id say that depends heavily on seed

If you get sent to scab gunner hell seed you'll like it more

[turbid ibex]

not letting gunners play the game

[fair shale]

If you get sent to crusher mauler seed less useful

You dont know what you're gonna get tho

All I know is that I've never been in a situation and thought "man i wish I had less nades rn" but I have been in numerous where I've gone "man I wish I had more grenades rn"

[hollow ibex]

True vet moment

[mortal aspen]

can be a gigachad and take Exe stance + share

[fresh spire]

[calm shard]

making them all immune to ranged enemies

trappers+flamers+dogs as well

[fair shale]

Poxxies dont do their running lunge melee through it either iirc

[calm shard]

or well mostly immune to trappers/flamers

[void dragon]

Trappers need to be on stab-in-the-face reach, so that's useful

[eternal venture]

Was this actually confirmed?

Or is is just a community meme

iirc one of the patch notes said this wasn't the end of the Vet rework

It's like... 2/3 of a good tree now

[turbid ibex]

the blog seemed to imply that zealot's was the only one that was a full on rework

[tall torrent]

no

[eternal venture]

Okay, I just don't want people hyping themselves up for promises that were never made lol

[turbid ibex]

and that for psyker and vet they would be "paying close attention" or something of the sort

[void dragon]

They said that is likely not the only change iirc

[eternal venture]

I have a hunch they'll roll back Tac Awareness in some form, maybe

Other than that, it's really just Infiltrate that needs attention

[native hamlet]

would you want focus target or marksman's focus?

[eternal venture]

MMF has better multipliers for Helbore headshots

[turbid ibex]

bottom of the tree also 100% needs more work

[midnight wyvern]

Id guess they'd just give it the treatment psyker and ogryn have

team killing elite/specialist triggers it

at worst I expect giving it elites/specialist for just the vet to trigger

it just being specialists is a bit special

[eternal venture]

Yeah it's odd

[mortal aspen]

elite kill on tac awareness?

just make it a passive 50% reduction to cd at that point

same thing

[turbid ibex]

just make it proc with kills from teammates as well

[midnight wyvern]

its what everyone else has pretty much lol

[hearty panther]

hmmm

cant decide on MMF or FT for a Bolter now

[eternal venture]

You can tell the devs really wanted to nerf gold toughness gen lol

[midnight wyvern]

yeah lol

[eternal venture]

Meanwhile, Zealot gets THREE good cdr talents!

[midnight wyvern]

Psyker? no golden? yeah juiced as fuck CDR now

ogryn has practically identical CDR node

[turbid ibex]

you cant stack them though

[hearty panther]

and one remains a clear winner

[midnight wyvern]

which

[hearty panther]

melee weakspot hit

thats just on

all the fucken time

[midnight wyvern]

was gonna say

if it was anything else

[tall torrent]

Maybe a duration buff from 3s to 5s

Infil itself can use a shorter cooldown

CD for VoC and exe is ok rn

VoC giving gold toughness, being limited in use is good

I actually wouldn’t mind if Infil had really short cooldown like BtL

[eternal venture]

Infil has some funny builds like stealth frags and stealth double barrel, but it just doesn't bring the utility or the killy power of the other two

cooldown buff would be a good start though

[tall torrent]

I kinda want Infil to be a melee/generalist dps boost for diving priority targets

[midnight wyvern]

true that

[tall torrent]

As opposed to exe’s ranged priority targeting

[midnight wyvern]

would be a neat zoomie safety tool

[sly orchid]

infiltrate surpression is really good tbh

[midnight wyvern]

how would you make it be a melee/generalist boost?

[mortal aspen]

yeah and they really shouldn't

[midnight wyvern]

genuine question

or do you just give it melee damage buffs lol

we should get 1 ability per match

[tall torrent]

Make Infil’s damage bonus last 10s and drop CD to 20s

Make it basically a damage buff machine

[turbid ibex]

increase duration of damage buff and make the speed buff linger

[mortal aspen]

Shout uptime is still huge, Exe is permanent, it's just Infil that is shit bc base CD is so high

[tall torrent]

That also procs red nodes often

[midnight wyvern]

oh yeah true

[tall torrent]

Because tbh I don’t think any of the Infil subnodes are worth outside low profile

[turbid ibex]

20s would prob be a bit too much

[tall torrent]

Can reduce stealth’s duration

I don’t like the stealth aspect of it in the first place

[turbid ibex]

or maybe make it like scrier and the cooldown only starts once the ability is over

[tall torrent]

The new shroudfield is much better at stealth gimmick than infil

[turbid ibex]

how so exactly?

[tall torrent]

Huge damage for 1 alpha strike
Long duration
Backstab bonus after stealth
Threat reduction after stealth
CD reduction from stealth kill

Plus zealot having the best CDR talents

U can actually use shroudfield very frequently

It’s ~13s CD in practice from stealth kill
10.5s CD from stealth kill (ogryn)
And 7.5s from stealth kill (monster)

Which is around the same as arb’s BTL with EO CDR

[sly orchid]

pious cuthroat my beloved

currently the best cdr talent

[hearty panther]

Threat Reduction with Unseen Blade is silly

15% global damage to anything not targeting you

Throw a fire nade, stealth, laugh.

[eternal venture]

It's good, but VoC still exists

and basically does the same thing (staggering enemies) on a shorter cd with added toughness regen and gold toughness

[sly orchid]

Voc is voc

[hearty panther]

Infiltrate gets you where you wanna be though

Neither will save you if you already took a plasma blast to the face though

[fallen needle]

So is voc the best and nothing else compares, or are they all situational?

[eternal venture]

VoC is the most flexible

and generically useful

[crude wind]

VoC is the generic best

Hellbore Exe Stance is pretty sick in Havoc

Stealth is situationally good and sometimes just free toughness

[tall torrent]

I feel like tac awareness can use a small buff in duration btw

[turbid ibex]

i'd rather have it proc with kills from teammates

[tall torrent]

Well, can do both

[crude wind]

i doubt they are going to significantly buff any cool down now

[tall torrent]

Not significant, just a small duration buff

[crude wind]

based on that normalisation. Tac Awareness could probably get another second at least

[turbid ibex]

i think it would already be really good just from teammates triggering it

[tall torrent]

I think 5s would be a decent spot

Given how it’s only specialists

[fallen needle]

So voc is good, but you cant really add much to make it better. As opposed to the other two you can make a whole build around?

[crude wind]

skirmisher kinda nuts

i really really want them to delete GBITF as well

[odd sparrow]

VoC is insanely useful and fits into anything, while the others are more specific in playstyle

[hollow ibex]

It’s pretty cruel of them to make it one of the tax talents lol

I mean yes there’s two other options

But they all suck

[ancient path]

so im hearing thru the grape vine marksman auto guns are dope now

[crude wind]

i like the medkit talent a lot

[ancient path]

i wanna try it out

[crude wind]

they are okay

[fallen needle]

Understandable. Sorry if its a dumb question. New player trying to impress the true survivor wife

[neon terrace]

Headhunter crit is in a problem state but they are in a decent spot.

[ancient path]

problem state?

[neon terrace]

They have a special crit boost override which makes criticals really bad.

[faint beacon]

Either they add elites also

[ancient path]

i see.

[hollow ibex]

Problem is, it’s on a row with a lot of shitty or niche options. So more people will take it. But if someone else has it on your team, also taking it is basically a wasted point

[faint beacon]

Or increase the uptime of Tac when specials are killed

[ancient path]

what blessings do they usually go for?

[faint beacon]

Cause I’ll admit nerf deserved but it was an over-nerf when compared to all other CDR talents

[shut roost]

trying to figure out a good ranged weapon to pair with my duelling sword, its a toss-up between the las pistol, revolver, and bolt pistol though the double barreled shotgun looks interesting with its blessings

[crude wind]

i dunno man I am normally the only Veteran on the team usually

and even if there was a second vet running it, so what. your negative 2 bleed stacks on hit

cause ur not taking GBITF

I don't love that part of the tree though. would like to see it get re-pathed

[tall torrent]

If it lasted 5s and could proc from teammates’ specialist kills it’d be golden

[midnight wyvern]

what the fuck is this

[crude wind]

Get Back in the Fight

[fallen needle]

Isn't stun immunity good though?

[hearty panther]

Not on a conditional and 20s cooldown

[midnight wyvern]

yeah thats yikes

[hollow ibex]

You just don’t know when you queue up though

It’s like gambling whether you wasted a talent point

Unless it take serrated blade, which is niche

Or GBITF, which is just straight up trolling

[midnight wyvern]

hot take

either rework get back in the fight or remove it

combine opening salvo and covert

move some shit around

and its still ass

[crude wind]

the loss of the gamble is u run 29 points but the 30th point will always have been serrated blade

so like

who cares

[midnight wyvern]

I personally just really liked field improv anyway, so I am taking it and skipping that line of ass talents

[crude wind]

same

i take the abush talent in some silly clown builds

flanking talent sorry

[midnight wyvern]

plus with the teammates I get, they have the emotional stability of a hamster so half the time they leave if they die

so if they were the field improv haver

you just lose that

or if im in havoc, I doubt we have 2 vets

[hollow ibex]

I care because I’m given three shit choices

A mandatory row shouldn’t be full of dogshit or niche talents

[midnight wyvern]

someone was recommending Ilas with backshot blessing for boss damage to someone else

so that with covert perhaps

[hollow ibex]

I hope this is addressed in the next rework

[crude wind]

i could argue the opposite is worse. You take serrated blade, shit but always applicable, you load in blind, u r the only Veteran, and now u feel silly cause ur running serrated blade instead of a perk that actually is helpful for the team

not that any of this matters outside of havoc

but that would be my thinking

[midnight wyvern]

how much damage do 2 bleed stacks even do

[crude wind]

a negligable amount

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I mean I don’t disagree. That row is just picking the least shit option

[midnight wyvern]

im guessing its most useful for mercy killer knife

[crude wind]

i think we can all agree it is a shit part of the tree

definitely feels like the crap talent labrynth

[tall torrent]

10

[hollow ibex]

If they put a 15 toughness node there, it’d be a strong contender as a must take

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-sheesh-sheesh-meme-jeez-gif-18325954655599604717

[tall torrent]

If u run it on power sword with sunder, if u swing 8 times eventually the stuff u hit that took minimum cleave damage will be taking a lot from 16 stacks of bleed

[ancient path]

i know playing these marksman guns makes me want to use the double shot one

[hollow ibex]

Serrated blade is ok on some weapons tbf

[ancient path]

because fatshark still hasnt fixed no reg

[hollow ibex]

But it’s just super niche

[tall torrent]

1

[ancient path]

i dont even know how you fix that

but its kind of annoying having to shoot something twice or three times in the head

[shut roost]

does this mean that on a critical hit the target gets 50% reduced defences?

[hollow ibex]

Bleed shovel is a thing now

So 2

[tall torrent]

It’s abysmal

So 1

[hollow ibex]

I wouldn’t take it into havoc, but it’s not trolling anymore

[midnight wyvern]

to your shot Yes* with caveats

[shut roost]

so its the initial critical shot that benefits from rending and not follow ups?

[tall torrent]

Chainsword with rev it up + bloodletter also isn’t trolling, it’s still not good

[midnight wyvern]

yes but also it may not do as much as you'd think?

that stuff is in the funny ADM pool of "go ask lol"

[shut roost]

idk how good rending is I just know that it makes the target take more damage or something

[hollow ibex]

Well not saying it’s good, but I think it’s actually usable now

[midnight wyvern]

like it depends on the weapon and the enemy to how much rending helps

[midnight wyvern]

generally pretty good

[shut roost]

zarona revolver, making it into a crit headshot spammer

[midnight wyvern]

hand cannon on revolver or whatever is nice

[faint beacon]

Fun fact: Power Falchion wants rending for some reason

[mortal aspen]

yes

[faint beacon]

It’s also common knowledge that Vigilants want them so I tend to pair the two together

[ancient path]

allah forgive me for watching a tanner video

[hearty panther]

whose got a helbore tree rn

the IV really is fucken cracked

[midnight wyvern]

brittleness would buff followups, rending is on that attack OR if the rending buff is applied for a duration like uncanny

[faint beacon]

Path to Shocktrooper and you’re good basically

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/the-talk-tuah-podcast-family-guy-hey-peter-talk-tuah-hawk-tuah-gif-16513162795526546223

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[shut roost]

this is what I have so far, the first blessing is an original and I think ill replace it

[midnight wyvern]

IV is nutty

[hearty panther]

no other neat breakpoints to fish out?

[ancient path]

this is how you enjoy a tanner video

[faint beacon]

Not really?

[hollow ibex]

V is the real winner now

[ancient path]

i just want the build

[midnight wyvern]

surgical hand cannon is your bread and butter on zarona revolver

[faint beacon]

Could probably do like MMF

[hearty panther]

yea with MMF i am killing gunners with an uncharged headshot

[faint beacon]

And try to hit right side to see if you can hit mauler or even crusher BPs

[shut roost]

ill do that then, would it be better to have +10% crit damage or +5% crit chance for this?

[faint beacon]

You’ll probably drop Bulwarks and Reapers

Crushers are just the big decider

[turbid ibex]

you will need to eventually replace it with one that has better stats

[turbid ibex]

never take crit damage perk

or weakspot damage

[hearty panther]

yea reapers go down with a charged shot

[shut roost]

I was looking for something that had mobility as the dump stat but this is the closest I could get

[shut roost]

why not?

[midnight wyvern]

plus damage to enemies is just too good, very few weapons want anything else

[turbid ibex]

its 10% to the increase from crits

isntead of just dealing +10% damage on a crit

[shut roost]

oh

[turbid ibex]

same for weakspot damage

[shut roost]

so should I go for +5% crit chance or go for a +25% against flak or something?

[turbid ibex]

+25% against armor types is the best option

[midnight wyvern]

probably cara/flak or maniac/flak

[neon terrace]

Almost always vs flak and vs unyielding/maniac

[turbid ibex]

always

only exception is like 4 weapons at most

[midnight wyvern]

what're the other 3 other than purg staff?

mind blanking on them lol

[turbid ibex]

at most

[mortal aspen]

i've seen people recommend crit chance on recon

[neon terrace]

You can roll crit chance on recons or twin stubbers

[faint beacon]

Pick up minimum Skirmisher and even E.Weakness

See if that juices 10 stacks too a crusher BP

(At work I would but can’t)

[hearty panther]

oh ive already sussed some out

and i always take those two talents anyway

EW isnt really reliable tho if youre posted up and away

[faint beacon]

Carayield on IV?

Is that what you’re running

[hearty panther]

it actually had flak/maniac

now im trying cara

[faint beacon]

Yeah Cara yield is like the BIG thing you want to run on IV

The other marks understandable

But even before rework

Carayield Surgical WOF IV shitted on a LOT of enemies in H40

Rivaled Plasma

[hearty panther]

fucken nasty

i only need unyield for bosses really

and like, also not really, could just krak em

[faint beacon]

Deletes Bosses in 40

Run smokes

Seeing you need safety for charging

That or just position correctly

[hearty panther]

im only charging ogryns tho lmao

everything else is like 1/3 or 1/2 charge and they fall

[faint beacon]

Surgical WOF lets you always charge shots

It’s vile

[undone jungle]

Btw ty for sharing this. I'm not running 1:1 but your framework made prob my fav Vet build ever

[faint beacon]

Like extremely vile

[hearty panther]

does hotshot still have the funny bug

[faint beacon]

No

[hearty panther]

nooooo

my sooper shovel

[faint beacon]

They patched it a few updates ago

Around Arby update

[hearty panther]

a few updates ago?!

oh

that explains a few things

how are we on armorbane then

[undone jungle]

More like hot shit please like and favourite

[faint beacon]

Rotten armor

So stocks are Sky rocketing

Esp with the other marks

Though tbh I think if you’re running IV

Stick to the reliable Surg WOF

[hearty panther]

i dont really do WoF

[faint beacon]

IIIa or V run armorbane

[hollow ibex]

V with WOF 🔥

[hearty panther]

can consistely two tap crushers rn

could do maulers in one if i did cara elite

(aurics ofc)

[jaunty tinsel]

what're your guys's favorite blessings for the chainsword?

[faint beacon]

Mark?

[jaunty tinsel]

XIIIg

seems like that's the best general-purpose one

[fallen needle]

Bloodletter

[faint beacon]

Wrath + Shred

If it was IV it’s Savage + Rampage

[hearty panther]

ok yea this thing is silly lmao

takes me back to ye olde days

[faint beacon]

What the IV

[hearty panther]

yea

back when it was a ranged thunder hammer

[faint beacon]

I prefer WOF just cause it’s

So fucking stupid getting max charge in like

1 second

[hearty panther]

idk i find WoF and Surgical to be uncomplimentary

[faint beacon]

And immediately dumpstering a Mauler or putting a Crusher at critical

[hearty panther]

and that bothers me

[faint beacon]

Its mainly cause IV wants to be a little bit faster cause it’s charge speed is

Very

Very slow

Like you take the IV you’re going in with the mindset of only doing charge shots

IIIa and V are the combo ones

[narrow frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG6M01_1SOc @faint beacon

[faint beacon]

LMAO

[narrow frost]

damn, that imbed fail for the thumbnail

[faint beacon]

the fuck is this bro

[narrow frost]

was meant to show this

[faint beacon]

What’s the vid

[narrow frost]

just some vet H40

this game

[faint beacon]

Was it the uh

PS DB WS

[narrow frost]

ye

[hearty panther]

so much overkill

very inefficient

[narrow frost]

troll build

[hearty panther]

3/10

[mortal aspen]

ranged class btw

[faint beacon]

Exploits

Have you not seen post vet buff

PS

Like how the fuck was this allowed

[mortal aspen]

what the sigma?

[hearty panther]

oh i have

fuck power sword tho

boring ass weapon

[faint beacon]

Yeah just cope and run rending strikes on PF

Actually feels fun

[fallen needle]

Are there any darktide youtubers worth watching?

[narrow frost]

me

lol

it depends on what you want to watch

[hearty panther]

ainz is great, he will teach you exactly what not to do

[narrow frost]

true

[fallen needle]

Idk man I started playing yesterday

[mortal aspen]

Reginald has a mechanics video I think?

explaining the basics

[faint beacon]

I plan to upload random clips in the future so definitely not me

Unless you want random bursts of dopamine LMAO

[fallen needle]

Think i kinda understand mechanics so maybe how things are supposed to go

I unlocked damnation but it feels like a meat grinder

[meager echo]

I wish there were videos explaining the game macro. Like how to clear certain sections of the map, boss spawn, enemy priority and stuff in high havoc. Its hard to watch full h40 run and figure out by yourself.

[faint beacon]

That’s just damnation if you’ve never played it

[agile mango]

is vet the highest all around damage in the game rn? not counting psyker horde clear

[faint beacon]

Damnation is the stepping stone to Auric

[obtuse raft]

No offense but probably not.
There is so much to learn and the game teaches only fractions of it.

[faint beacon]

Honestly vet is absolutely nearing that point

[agile mango]

build?

[faint beacon]

We’re still kinda forced into a path here or you’re not really getting much damage

[narrow frost]

in comments of the vid

[agile mango]

that was for the vid?

[faint beacon]

Zealot tree clearly had a lot of love put into it

Cause looking over it more theres a lot of good choices to go down

[hearty panther]

i say the same thing every night while i scroll Grindr

[ancient path]

VAGs are .......

neat

i dont think i want to play them tho

[agile mango]

VAGs?

[ancient path]

vigiliant auto guns

id rather just use a bolter as a sniper

[hybrid plover]

i'm glad my nonsense was entertained

[agile mango]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-kiss-blow-lower-face-gif-16559002

thought you meant something else

[ancient path]

hot

gina

this is the veteran channel, sir. we dont know what women are.

[hearty panther]

yea we do

[void dragon]

what in the name of the Emperor is happening here?

[hearty panther]

she's my rifle

[hybrid plover]

okay wait why did a lacerate mercy killer knife actually put in work

[fallen needle]

Yeah that's why I said kinda
Like I know priority targets sort of and the sound cues and how soon dodges replenish

[ancient path]

also does anyone actually use focus target

[hearty panther]

not unless i have to

and i dont anymore

[ancient path]

what makes you have to?

[hearty panther]

very easy breakpoint maker

[ancient path]

ah ok

[hearty panther]

but now its strength is just having team wide bonuses but your team is already cracked out for damage so

[ancient path]

yeah

i would like it on bolter

[faint beacon]

Yeah

[hearty panther]

i used to yea

now its mmf

[faint beacon]

Vigilants still like them

[ancient path]

mostly because i have no idea what else to use on bolter

[faint beacon]

Vigilants are in a weird spot

[mortal aspen]

BOBs and VAGs

[ancient path]

marksman focus for bolters?

[faint beacon]

cause they want MMF or FT to hit breakpoints

[hearty panther]

yea

[ancient path]

huh

fair

[hearty panther]

its a tiny bit rought

[faint beacon]

but you can risk WS now if you can upkeep skirmisher

[hearty panther]

because it isnt so high capacity that you can just dump into trash to get headshot stacks

but like

those stacks come up fast

[ancient path]

i just dont like the gameplay of constantly tagging things

[agile mango]

like you would not believe

[faint beacon]

Tag and forget if your run either the left or right subnode

[hearty panther]

yea FT suffers from being criminally boring to execute

[faint beacon]

if you dont land a kill you still get the bonuses

remember that

[ancient path]

and i guess everyone just apes skirmisher now

[mortal aspen]

MMF is pretty boring too

[hearty panther]

skirmisher? i hardly know er

[mortal aspen]

WS is the fun one

[ancient path]

true!

[faint beacon]

This is a lie if you run Columnus Vigil and more of right side

[hybrid plover]

tried it with rending and onslaught and it makes a world of difference

[faint beacon]

its basically WS if you lean more into your gun dumpstering specials

and elites

[mortal aspen]

MMF is just braindead = boring

you do what you're were going to do anyway

[hearty panther]

yea but now youre rewarded

[mortal aspen]

and there's no further interaction

[hearty panther]

plus it has benefits for melee

that stamina regain is pretty fucken nice

[faint beacon]

Resets the stacks on melee weakspot hits/kills

[hearty panther]

and its a LOT of replenishment

[faint beacon]

Tunnel Vision stocks...

yummers

[mortal aspen]

I know, but it's the kind of keystone that you pick and don't ever think about in the actual game

[hearty panther]

ngl i would never claim WS takes actual thought either

[mortal aspen]

don't need to worry about keeping up the stacks either

[hearty panther]

because making effective use of both my weapons is already my style anyway

so its in the same boat of just rewarding good play

FT just asks that you tag

so like

deffo the dullest one without question

[mortal aspen]

I mean, you do have the loop of kill -> shoot, or kill 3 things -> shoot