veteran-class

[tropic halo]

And whoever complains that they can't see through smoke, just wait on them

[candid agate]

tbh plasma gunners are absolutely gonna get a damage nerf soon or at least a fire rate nerf so i dont really think they count

[tropic halo]

Or pick exec stance with shared outlines to the team

[bitter turtle]

its literally just psyker bubble

do you think psyker bubble is bad

[tropic halo]

They need far more than just those two

[nimble hazel]

Eh.

[candid agate]

do they?

[nimble hazel]

Their biggest issue is the spawn group size.

[tropic halo]

Audio cues, visuals

Too silent

[nimble hazel]

Fix the audio cues, lower their group size, and they're fine.

Maybe make them easier to stagger.

[candid agate]

yeah true
they should get the neon green of regular scab enemies instead of red

[tropic halo]

Make them have friendly fire

[narrow frost]

They should not have the same spawn tickets as shotgunners while having the hp and armor value of maulers

[nimble hazel]

Yeee

[signal laurel]

Have you ran kraks with this build?

[narrow frost]

while also being immune to suppression and nearly stagger issume

[nimble hazel]

If they were less common and spawned in smaller groups, they'd be the ranged equivalent of a mauler patrol

[hollow ibex]

looks like Mk1 has a pretty nifty single target combo to make up for how god damn long it takes for the heavies to come out

[nimble hazel]

Which is cool

[frank basin]

i have chainaxe use, krak if i really hate bosses and pack crusher, every my build has own con

[ancient path]

are you rocking the bleed node? i thought itll be considered garbo

better now?

[meager echo]

Push attack get guard broken easily if you cant stagger man

[narrow frost]

depends on weapon

[hollow ibex]

still garbo but field improv is also garbo so whatever

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's obviously the risk

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-death-gif-23505693

[mortal aspen]

💀

[bitter turtle]

i would taek bleed noq uestion

on anything that isnt psword

[faint beacon]

There’s no longer “Kraks bad”

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-eyebrow-skull-ghost-rider-gif-27605347

[bitter turtle]

and even psword im still running bleed just because idk why not

[frank basin]

i means all i need is better mobility for the weapon, not like og powersword high dps and slow ass weapon got issue being ganged up by enemies around when you have no blitz, and no i don't have the magic pro-gamer side slide

[meager echo]

You most likely to 1 or 2 shot anything you fight. If you not killing it in two hit it's likely to be carapace and the bleed dont help much.

[bitter turtle]

idk

im sure it probably maybe helped when i swing sunder into like 5 ragers

[meager echo]

I have test it, I do like 17k bleed dmg the whole match.

[nimble hazel]

A whole handful of health's worth of help

[bitter turtle]

a rager has 2k hp, clearly it killed 8 and a half ragers for you

op

better nerf it back to 1 stack

[meager echo]

I'm pretty sure the bleed dmg wont reduce how many hits require to kill them.

[slow spade]

yeah bleed is fundamentally a wasted talent for most of Vet's melee options

[ancient path]

kraks are so good rn

love them

call me a scrub but ill throw them shits on a pack of scab plasma gunners

i dont care

in the great words of the god emperor

"uhhh fuck you in particular"

[faint beacon]

It’s the

I really don’t like this enemy

So go away, button

[bitter turtle]

ok

dont get me wrong when i post this

im not saying "bleed talent on psword is good"

just that i take it just in case this edge scenario ever happens

[turbid ibex]

ig theres worse stuff you could be spending that final point on

[bitter turtle]

i mean

i literally have to take it or field

and i never

notice field improv

honestly

[meager echo]

Oh, I mean to say it's a situational pick, not a bad pick. I've tested it so I share some insight.

[slow spade]

the real trick to Field Improv is to be selfish with it

minor inconvenience? drop the ammo box and go wild

anyone with no ammo in non-havocs is probably a mouthbreather that shoots into poxwalkers anyways

[frank basin]

@faint beacon do you still love vigil autogun?

[silver patrol]

are vigil autoguns any good against armor

[sly orchid]

they never were

[sharp epoch]

no

[silver patrol]

owned!

[faint beacon]

Depends on mark and how it’s built

[outer dune]

Hey, so I play on console, I have not been able to fix my veteran talent tree since the update, anyone have any pointers, I am driving myself crazy here

[meager echo]

I'm pretty sure ps6 cant make use of that node.

[frank basin]

Man I ask about vigil autogun it is skill base weapon

He ignored me

[faint beacon]

MMF Agri Vigil with Rending Strikes

[sharp epoch]

11k are you sure its not from frags

[faint beacon]

Crusher more like teehee fuck you die

[meager echo]

I run smoke so no frag

[sharp epoch]

its still a miniscule amount

[meager echo]

But maybe it's good for zealots and ogryn on the team since you can apply bleed better than them.

Idk

[faint beacon]

If zealot is running blinded by blood

You want them to initiate the bleed

Cause then everyone else gets a permanent 15% damage on that enemy

It doesn’t apply if it’s you or the Ogryn doing it sadly

[meager echo]

Ogryn has the dmg reduction on bleed ?

[sharp epoch]

vets aren't really incentivized to get bleed because no talents synergize with it

yea but they apply bleed very easily themselves

[meager echo]

oh

[faint beacon]

More like incentive based on melee

Onslaught is there but like… ehh

Unless you’re using Taxe I don’t see a point at all

[calm shard]

if you can't see through the smoke you aren't standing in it

[hybrid plover]

really easy to circumvent the low visbility issue

[meager echo]

Tbh without the mod clear smoke, I wouldn't run smoke grenade. Can't see shit man.

[hybrid plover]

i run without the mod just fine

then again i've exclusively taken to using exe stance at this point so

[calm shard]

I use the mod exclusively for the pulsing reminder it's about to run out xd

[meager echo]

Poor console players, they have it rough

[slow spade]

the worst is it covers up where trappers are :c

[calm shard]

yeah god forbid they have to be actively making use of the smoke to see through it

[bitter turtle]

i just showed the marginal utility case

not saying its good

lol

either way you're taking a crap node

[meager echo]

I have not test it in havoc. Maybe the larger health pool of mobs help.

The reason I want to test it because lots of ogryn in pubs run thunderous mk3 club. It boost the bleed dmg a lot. And ps6 has very good cleave.

[charred salmon]

is the best way to use chain sword to do a special attack first for the guranteed critical after?

[surreal rune]

m

no

[calm shard]

the best way to use chain sword is to never use the special

[surreal rune]

its not very effective

[charred salmon]

That's sad

[surreal rune]

its better to run shred

[charred salmon]

Whats that

[surreal rune]

another blessing on the chainsword

[charred salmon]

So special isnt good even to get the 100% crit?

[surreal rune]

yes

because one may get

20? or 25% more crit chance on all attacks without an awkward requirement

with shred

[charred salmon]

so basically dont use special atack?

[surreal rune]

its situational

[charred salmon]

Just do heavy and push like usual?

[surreal rune]

m

the special may good for some things

such as bosses

or

[charred salmon]

Yeah it does big damage

[surreal rune]

going into crushers

but kraks are viable now

[charred salmon]

what if like i special attack a small dude for the 100% crit before doing a special on the boss?

[surreal rune]

so id recommend running those to make up for the lack in viable armor killing

[charred salmon]

Im not max level on my zealot yet so im not going for rolls yet

[surreal rune]

its a lot of setup

you may find mileage in it

oh

on zealot?

[charred salmon]

not really a lot

yeah

I want duel sword

[surreal rune]

id recommend shred even more then

[tall torrent]

if only

[charred salmon]

so its like not worth using special basically ever?

[surreal rune]

usually

[tall torrent]

do urself a favor and just run shred+wrath/rampage depending on variant

[charred salmon]

what about between light attack and heavy? they have pretty similar damage so is heavy just better for a wider swing?

[surreal rune]

what mark are you using?

[charred salmon]

huh

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-oh-hi-mark-hey-mark-gif-17296134

[surreal rune]

well

which of the two are you using

[charred salmon]

what is a mark

[surreal rune]

weapon mark

[charred salmon]

oh iv

[surreal rune]

ah

[tall torrent]

shred + rampage/savage sweep

[charred salmon]

is mk 3 better

[dull copper]

iwd

[narrow frost]

DWI

[charred salmon]

thats a lot of damage on the other one holy cow

preob super slow

[wraith locust]

@tall torrent sorry for ping but have ps6 perks changed

[surreal rune]

cant power sword 6 still 2 shot crushers now

[slow spade]

yes but I think you need a crit now

[surreal rune]

m

before you could two shot crushers and also have

another node

such as maniac or flak

[sour elbow]

this was my bugbear with the tougher armour mutator.
It wasn't that the enemies were tougher that was the problem, it was that there are suddenly two dozen of them in a monster closet charging us down

[tall torrent]

same as before, unyielding + carapace

[wraith locust]

ty 🫡

[calm shard]

the wonders of havoc 26-39

meatgrinder with dubious teammates

kraks pulling crazy weight in the rotten armor too

[warm schooner]

my favorite in that tier of 20-30 is watching the three other arbis in the match be in three completely different parts of the map

[calm shard]

using power sword because of that burning need to carry my teammates

so busted as fuck overpowered melee go

[frank basin]

Do they have dog or no dog?

[warm schooner]

both

[frank basin]

And they think themselves are invincible

I love defense maxxing arby

Nuncio and shield mace 9/7 stam, 2 stam perk weapon, 60% block eff

[fair shale]

Well, that is the main character of the franchise tbf

[slow spade]

if we weren't the main character, why do we all have names?

[fair shale]

Oh, there are definitely characters with names who are not main characters in 40k

Much more so in 30k

[frank basin]

Named character live longer than unnamed

[tall torrent]

top 1 melee if psyker didn't exist

[frank basin]

Would it be top 2 when psyker exist?

[calm shard]

that's ME

[fair shale]

Tbf i do not think you'd post it otherwise

Drastically less impressive if that isnt you

[calm shard]

THEM

also pogryn I guess

[slow spade]

na I'm 100% the main char. Watch me solo that daemonhost

[midnight wyvern]

[fair shale]

-the invisible thunderhammer zealot in the room with us

[midnight wyvern]

do it on vet

no balls

[fair shale]

I would prefer to leave it alone, personally

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-skill-issue-urge-resist-skill-issue-resist-urge-urge-resist-gif-3380469227613787388

[slow spade]

I still have no clue how to handle a daemonhost with a Mk6 power sword

[frank basin]

Exiled-Sorcerer
Khorne-Mercenary
Dredd-Junior
Viktor-Josepyre
(Legal first name)-Van

[tepid otter]

So a chaos spawn just fell out the map while waiting for extraction lmao

Like it just spawned and jumped in, bu it somehow just clipped through the ground and fell all the way

funniest shit ive seen

[hearty panther]

no ticket

[hollow ibex]

bro why can plasgunners do this

got fucking double tapped lol

mfers be firing their plasma guns at full auto

[hearty panther]

the modifier is called outgunned

what did you expect

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-look-hint-allusion-eyes-gif-15443059

[serene sage]

getting into a havc game is harder tha nplaying the game itself lmao

is there a thing I can do to make ppl accept me in havoc lmao

[surreal rune]

play arbites

[fair shale]

Arb, Og, Psyker

[hearty panther]

run your own lobby and accept anyone

[fair shale]

Yup

[meager echo]

Bubble psyker, taunt ogryn free accept everytime.

Avoid arbi.

[tepid otter]

Which ones easier to play out of the two

Ive only ever played vet

[stuck gorge]

well ogryn is still really strong, they only got very minor nerfs to a few talents in the update

[meager echo]

If you play vet you will be fine. People are neutral with vets.

[jaunty tinsel]

is it still "VoC or GTFO"?

[sudden cedar]

@serene sage Whats your problem with being accepted in your opinion? Just curious.

[jaunty tinsel]

or has the update made other abilities good in havoc

[tepid otter]

can other people see your havoc rating actually

[slow spade]

yes

[tepid otter]

i just started recently so am like at 9, idk if people just avoid peeps with low ratings

[slow spade]

typically it's off of vibes

joking

[inland canopy]

I think when you do requests they can

demand seems high though in players

[meager echo]

You can finish maelstrom and start at 16 iirc.

[jaunty tinsel]

i imagine it's based entirely on the level of the host

if a host is trying to run 30+ and they see an 18

[tepid otter]

I meant my Havoc rating btw

[jaunty tinsel]

yeah they'd probably refuse you

i would too

but like

[inland canopy]

you gotta find vanilla games with no level indicators or somewhere <30

[jaunty tinsel]

20 and 18 should be fine

[spare wolf]

Havoc players especially in high havoc, ppl expect an experienced players

[tepid otter]

Most parties I find just run 40 tho, lowest i see is just aroudn 35

[jaunty tinsel]

honestly hosting is fine, the helmet penance means that even high-level players will join ur game for the free penance progress

[spare wolf]

Get hard to earn portrait frams and titles will help you greatly being accepted into a game

[jaunty tinsel]

as well as climbers

in my experience i get shown the door anything >30, but less than is chill

[spare wolf]

That, and the team composition

[jaunty tinsel]

which is reasonable

[spare wolf]

For example, if they don't have psyker in their team, try to join them as psyker

Arbites is big no no for some reason

[hybrid plover]

a lot of them are bad

that's why

[tepid otter]

Can you change operatives while in a lobby

[slow spade]

Arbites is the new "vet" player

[spare wolf]

Which is pretty sad, i'm competent at completing H40 as arbites and i did complete H40 arbites dozens of times but ppl rejects me everytime when i'm trying to join them as arbites when there's no orgy around

Ngl tho, i think Ogryn is better at H40 than arbites overall

I'd choose ogryn over arbites too if i'd given a chance

[tropic notch]

I remember the oggy rework thst carried a fresh 30 oggy through hav 40

[meager echo]

I started my havoc grind as arbi, get to 30 cant find any lobbies, re-roll and stay as vet til now

If you are arbi, you dont get to prove anything, instant reject

[unreal nova]

Unless you play with friends.

Also, it's because dog arbies, if they die, can cause the server to crash.

[mortal aspen]

unfathomably based

[spare wolf]

Even havoc forged and true survivor titles can't help at all at arbites being rejected

[unreal nova]

So they better be good enough to NOT die.

Or ded server.

[mortal aspen]

yeah but it's like 80% chance they got the titles with the bleed bug xdd

reasonable assumption to make I think

[meager echo]

but dont lose hope, i saw many arbi in h40 lobbies after patch.

[unreal nova]

It's literally an unfixed bug.

[spare wolf]

Didn't even know this bug existed at first because i ran douglass build all the time

[mortal aspen]

it was fixed pretty quickly

[inland canopy]

titles don't matter it's whether people can clutch admonition bosses and chaos demon spawns that happen three times and move to a safer spot as a team

[spare wolf]

It matters

At the very least this tells that a person completed H40 at least once

It's an indication that at least they are not completely clueless

[unreal nova]

Nope. I know some people who got hard carried through H40 and have both TS and HE.

They usually play only malice.

[spare wolf]

Shitty players with titles exists?

Ofc

[glacial ferry]

I still don't have true survivor lol

[tropic notch]

Titles, time played, true levels, frams mean nothing

[inland canopy]

i still see players running ahead by themselves on havoc

[tropic notch]

Sorry was me

[spare wolf]

But it is much less likely than ones without titles or easy to earn titles

[sudden cedar]

People running ahead by themselves in Havoc is nothing new and nothing special.

[stuck gorge]

Why are you running ahead alone? Send your meat shields teammates first

[sudden cedar]

No matter what they have as title.

[tropic notch]

Celine the level 5000+ zealot that is REALLY GOOD

[meager echo]

We have no other metric than true level, title and frame to judge someone skills before the game.
Since havoc punish you for losing. People will always find the way to avoid that. It is what it is.

[tropic notch]

She’s so good that @tall torrent blocked her

[inland canopy]

walks into a room with 8 crushers and 20 gunners and twins admonition bosses and be like "i think i want my fwens"

[sudden cedar]

The general personality of such a type won't magically change. In fact, it might only get worse.

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

I’d clear

[inland canopy]

[unreal nova]

And some god players run frameless and titleless.

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/uVn6TBwVXn4.gif

[tropic notch]

There’s a mod that counts wins and losses but it also isn’t reliable

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova I unironically think that no frame no title is even worse.

[tropic notch]

skill is only measured in game

[inland canopy]

i'm stuck at havoc 12 but playing havoc 25-29

im in limbo

[unreal nova]

Excuse me.

[inland canopy]

only started playing havoc two days ago

[tropic notch]

Hello ma’am I need a carry please

[sudden cedar]

I connect that with bigger ego.

[inland canopy]

sometimes john darktide is the clutch

[tropic notch]

Granny really just told me no

[sudden cedar]

sometimes.

[inland canopy]

what you want is the player that still has his prison uniform at level 30

[unreal nova]

Or more, just pretending to be a new fresh 30 tbh.

[inland canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-gif-13813457612366790790

[spare wolf]

They usually run 'rejected' title

[meager echo]

What mod is that, I dont even know if i have 50% win rate

[inland canopy]

the "let me solo her" dark soul players that run deprived every run

[unreal nova]

Depends. Some do, some just nothing at all.

[spare wolf]

They are easily distinguished tho

[sudden cedar]

I always wonder how many mods they run.

And if they are a speedrunner type

Because most of them are.

And most of these types are annoying.

[spare wolf]

Since real clueless players often runs that one of the uh, munitorum something something green titles

[sudden cedar]

You can have real clueless players running anything they have or want

Not exclusive to any title or frame really.

[spare wolf]

Yea but i'm talking about the odds

[unreal nova]

Depends on player. The one I know more tries to babysit a blind goof in H40, because Lights out.

[spare wolf]

And in my anecdotal experiences

[meager echo]

Just check loadout, i dont trust title / true level.

If they run anything reasonable they are in.

[sudden cedar]

that blind goof should learn how to do it themselves.

[inland canopy]

ironically if they have Auric Exemplar it's actually a reliable title though it's purple

[spare wolf]

I think i have a reasonably good sample size since 3 years i've been playing DT

[meager echo]

Bro h40 players have tendency to join low havoc with sub optimal or self-imposing challenge load out.

[sudden cedar]

They still leave at first opportunity.

[spare wolf]

Doing that in havoc is selfish act

Even lower havocs

If i want to run some goofy aa build i go in auric

[meager echo]

At least, they usually stay and change load out if run fail.

[charred salmon]

Whats the difference between veteran and zealot they seem kinda the same

[orchid trellis]

is recon lasgun any good? im not sure what gun i shld go for i need a boss shredder

[charred salmon]

prob like autogun or whatever its called

[meager echo]

exe bolter vet maybe ?

pretty sure they down 75% boss hp in 1 mag

[orchid trellis]

whats exe and vet

[meager echo]

Executioner's Stance + bolter veteran build.

[orchid trellis]

ahhh okay ill try that rn im runnin voice of command cuz die so i need brain dead stay alive

[sharp epoch]

they kinda blended their roles now so the difference is just their weapons and abilities/talents

[junior grail]

I wanna try that with the new bolter

[charred salmon]

which is better? like zealot abilites is less toughness back but you can dps a lot but veteran it knocks enemies back and gives 100% toughness and probably some more on top but no extra dps

[jaunty tinsel]

flavor?

[sharp epoch]

opinion but this is vet chat so vet better

[jaunty tinsel]

does zealot even have a shooty capstone?

mind i have never played anything but veteran since the beginning

[sharp epoch]

no they dont

[calm shard]

zealot has no shooty at all

none, nada

do not do it

[orchid trellis]

for duelling sword do i want the dumpstat to be mobility

[junior grail]

Well, there's a few talents lol

[orchid trellis]

ty

[calm shard]

cleave damage iirc

unless update changed that

[calm shard]

not even ONE

[mortal aspen]

zealot even has aliexpress weapon specialist

[orchid trellis]

ty

[stuck gorge]

Zealot has melee nodes, and melee node for your secondary melee

no ranged

:)

[inland canopy]

i only run light infantry gun and snub pistol on zealot

most other ranged just doesn't compensate

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/13069778437180790362/00653E25F6B801BF07B7A6CA6941F9F87C934C7A/

[upbeat snow]

what do we think of the new boom bistol chat?

[stuck gorge]

I’ve only heard bad things about it never used it

[upbeat snow]

well i need to update my vet builds, anybody got a good commissar build(voc, chainsword, bistol) yet?

[tall torrent]

ok as a utility gun on zealot

worthless otherwise

[atomic void]

these fucking arbies taking away all our kills with their nades and ranged spam

oh wait

[charred salmon]

like actually better or just more fun

[tepid otter]

What happens when 2 vets have Focus Target during a match and both tag the same target

does it overwrite the first one or does it stack

[stuck gorge]

Uses the tag with the most stacks I think

[atomic void]

vet is a hybrid class
zealot is melee specialist

just think of it this way

[inland canopy]

there is only one stack but the enemy gets softer

[tepid otter]

oh, so like the +5% extra dmg is is applied twice then if both vets tag a target with FT?

[tall torrent]

overwrite to whoever had the highest stack

ex: if a veteran applies 4 stacks and another veteran applies 6 stacks, that'll be 6 stacks on the enemy because 4 stacks get overwritten by a higher stack count tag

[tepid otter]

ohh, gotcha

[meager echo]

[slow spade]

yeah...

it's always at the end of a mission too

for maximum bullshit

[meager echo]

With this kind of sv, why is demote still a thing. WTF

Imagine getting demoted from that.

[bitter turtle]

dont need to imagine

ive gotten "mission aborted" like 4 time since coming back

lol

and ive only played havoc

[bitter turtle]

you wont melt bosses with recon but you can kinda put out sustained damage at least

[shut roost]

whats the difference between the different dueling sword marks?

[tepid otter]

one of them has a slash heavy iirc

slash, thrust, repeat moveset kind of thing

[hollow ibex]

4 is the really simple one, and overall prob the strongest

5 is the meme

2 is better at horde clear but worse at single target than 4

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[meager echo]

2 games in a row now

wtf is this ?

[shut roost]

how's this?

[tepid otter]

havent had any dc issues on my end just yet thankfully

played like 2 games this morning and was fine

[orchid hemlock]

No

[meager echo]

If they make maelstrom always have 3veg i will never touch havoc again.

So shit.

[tepid otter]

wats dat

[meager echo]

the mode that have many bosses

[tepid otter]

3veg?

[junior grail]

Anyone tried the more vertical light swing pfalchion?

[hollow ibex]

both are thoroughly meh

[twilit heath]

3 veg?...

Vegetables? 😭

[junior grail]

Meat and 2 veg?

[tropic notch]

I do unyielding maniac

[calm shard]

path says it's a rashad sidegrade

[twilit heath]

im too new to this game to understand the lingo

[tropic notch]

And replace headhunter with surgical

[tepid otter]

im like 40hrs in and i also dont lmao

[twilit heath]

i just saw crit = no ammo usage on lasgun and went ooooo me likey

[twilit heath]

Peak pfp btw

great mobile game

[junior grail]

It's a Maelstrom type mission

[tepid otter]

thanks

yours too lmao, love that show

[twilit heath]

with veggies?

[tropic notch]

Recon vet🥀

[junior grail]

Roman numerals but looks like VEG

[twilit heath]

so 5 eg? or

[junior grail]

Heretics don't eat their greens so they become rotting green

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build mah build

It’s terrible pls don’t use it

[twilit heath]

Vegeterribles 🤮

[tropic notch]

[twilit heath]

well if they give me a even longer charge on the Helbore for more damage il take it

GRANT ME THE WISH LAS FUSIL AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

[tropic notch]

Hellbore is amazing

[twilit heath]

ikr

just wish there was one with even more dmg and chargetime 📿

[tropic notch]

Gotta build it right

[twilit heath]

got more or less no ammo usage and 1-2 tap Crushers at damnation diff

so it works well

but i want more!

[heavy rover]

By some miracle the team I was in accomplished a havoc 40 with rotten armour and encroaching garden. it was... an experience

[tropic notch]

You gotta build it right

[twilit heath]

https://tenor.com/view/conquest-gif-8630229100799431683

[tropic notch]

[twilit heath]

MORE I WANT MORE!

[tepid otter]

A Fusil would be sick if there was one

[twilit heath]

i think i buildt it right but like

the gun itself

using the mkIV rn for the higher dmg

but i want even more 😭

would pay 40 bucks just for a long chargetime with a thermal scope

[tropic notch]

Do unyielding elites, surgical weight of fire, dump stability

[twilit heath]

running crit and carapace. with Surgical and falter

works well so far anyways

Specialist hunting feels nice

[tropic notch]

Why run crit chance when you already get guaranteed crit

[tropic notch]

It one taps all specials

[twilit heath]

ok let me rephrase

everything hunting feels nice

[heavy rover]

from my end I've been able to one-shot Reapers with the mk iii helbore

[twilit heath]

the only thing that survives is a crusher if i dont have any stacks of focus

if i have max stacks i 1 tap crushers without issue

[shadow dagger]

agile engagement doesn't buff shredder bleed right

that would be a little too silly

[hollow ibex]

it does not

... but skirmisher does

[shadow dagger]

fun police smh

[hollow ibex]

frags with skirmisher is already pretty nutty lol

[shadow dagger]

well i dont think thats normal

[tepid otter]

gotta keep reminding myself to sprint / slide first before throwing a nade

[hollow ibex]

turn off ammo gain in numeric ui

[shadow dagger]

is this a grinder specific thing or is it bugged everywhere

[hollow ibex]

idk i just turned it off immediately lol

didn't test further

[native hamlet]

should i use plasma gun or helbore with combat blade? pretty inexperienced with veteran

[hoary marsh]

So im doing the smoke grenade penance. What is the point of this? The grenade seems to do literally nothing.

[fair shale]

Whatever makes you happier rn tbh, you can find success in both. I prefer plasma tho for the cleave.

[native hamlet]

i remember last time i tried plasma it was a bit tough to reach one shot headshot on crushers, so i'm worried about that

but that also was a time where my helbore didn't really do much damage to carapace. not sure if i just built wrong or though

[shadow dagger]

i think thats a bit high of a breakpoint to be worried about

[dusty lava]

hello veterans

[native hamlet]

i heard helbore got changed in some way about 2 title updates ago i think?

[tepid otter]

it disrupts field of vison, pretty good counter to the plasma gunners atm ive heard

[hollow ibex]

it fucks with shooter AI and specialist AI, forcing them to get very close to you

or they just blind fire

so it's kinda like a bubble, but a sidegrade

[meager echo]

[tepid otter]

wuh?

[hollow ibex]

lol you in SEA?

[meager echo]

Yeah

[hollow ibex]

he's talking about a bridge or some shit

[meager echo]

Oh

we got yeeted by plague ogryn.

right after the elevator boss spawn in Dark communion map.

[upbeat snow]

whats the new power falchion's details?(perks, bless, dump, etc)

[tall torrent]

mobility dump
unyielding + carapace
cranial grounding
heatsink / energy leakage / wrath

[willow prairie]

hah imagine if we have sex on the mourningstar haha

[tepid otter]

eyo?

[hybrid plover]

just had a plasma gunner shoot me straight through a sandbag

[tepid otter]

[willow prairie]

eh skill issue

it's plasma gun

[meager echo]

not good, not good

[tall torrent]

@analog yacht do u know in which file are user sensitivity settings stored?
it's not in user_settings.conf afaik

[upbeat snow]

what mark?

[tall torrent]

I use mk2b

[atomic zephyr]

okay so the build i made earlier today just reset itself and disappeared

wtf is going on

is something wrong with loadouts

[analog yacht]

It's either server side or an encrypted settings file, but mods can still call the functions to set sensitivity: https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/38

[tall torrent]

oof

[analog yacht]

idk if it ever changed but setting FoV in the config didn't stick either last I checked, had to be done via mod as well

[tall torrent]

I got the constantFOV mod and it's a gamechanger

went from 108fov to 120constantfov

[analog yacht]

oo yeah that's good

esp since sensitivity is fov (more specifically focal length) dependent in this game

[unborn perch]

Is it just me or can we not scroll up or down in the tactical overlay any more?

[analog yacht]

Which is good for zoom sens but when your hipfire fov keeps changing it gets wack

[willow prairie]

what that do

[tall torrent]

I turned all 4 fov changing stuff off

[willow prairie]

prevent fov change?

[analog yacht]

sprinting and certain buffs change your fov

[tall torrent]

sprinting & dashing don't increase fov
aiming down sights don't reduce fov
exe stance doesn't reduce fov

[willow prairie]

yeah getting that just for exe

[tall torrent]

I went from 108 with all of those changes, to 120 constant

diff game entirely lol

[analog yacht]

120 horizontal or vertical

120v would be crazy

[willow prairie]

can you imagine 120v

[tall torrent]

I can show u rn

[hybrid plover]

can we all unanimously agree that the exe stance zoom in is completely unnecessary

[willow prairie]

90h is 55v

on 1080p

[tall torrent]

120vfov
144hfov

[analog yacht]

my god

I just play at 103h since so many other games cap you there that I don't wanna mess w/ muscle memory etc.

if I got used to high fov in dt then I'd get motion sick in other games 😔

[tall torrent]

most games have 120fov tho

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/16177722318710665656/3B1564D7C27B0D2BC3A0656F202C27449C5E5BF0/

[tall torrent]

well
it's supposed to make aiming longer range shots easier
but yea it's mostly detrimental now

[junior grail]

Is it me or is that skin ironsights still bad?

[wind cave]

Hey vets, is bleed good?

nvm I'll just test it

[hybrid plover]

it's got some use on weapons with uncanny

particularly knife with mercy killer

but it's nothing major

[wind cave]

Yeah, at its base value it isn't doing much in meat grinder

[hybrid plover]

really just comes down to if you want a little extra damage or some extra utility from your ammo boxes and medkits

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent help me out

[tall torrent]

I think it's good

[tropic notch]

Do i really need twbs if I take unfaltering on thammer?

[tall torrent]

?

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dda22ad-68a6-4234-8df3-7fea5a87a024/terrible-non-crit-zealot-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button trying to minmax this

[tall torrent]

I wouldn't use TH

sorry

[willow prairie]

smyker in havoc

kill me

[tropic notch]

Well let’s say crusher

[honest quiver]

why not use punishment in place of thy wrath be swift

[tropic notch]

Punishment is a meme

[honest quiver]

but you're using hammer

[tropic notch]

Twbs is constant

[austere mica]

Punishment only prevents attack cancelation, not slowdown immunity

They're different things

Its dumb

[honest quiver]

ah uninterruptible

[tall torrent]

I also don't play crusher on zealot

[tropic notch]

Tbh I wonder if it’s perfect how it is

[tropic notch]

OK

if you were to use relic blade

[honest quiver]

thunder hammer's fun i need to start looking for a good roll

[tropic notch]

What would be better?

Could I drop twbs for something else that’s better?

[tropic notch]

I have the godroll in my build I sent

Trying to theorize if I can minmax it more atm

[honest quiver]

i have the mats to build one i'm just kinda lazy and also playing veteran a lot more now

[void dragon]

i have tried a lot of the Falchion and its damage is really not that great, compared to the C.axe it performs worse overall, and naturally both are quite behind the Psword

[austere mica]

It is however more fun than both of those

[honest quiver]

very fun!!

i feel like a cheap zealot when i use it

seems nice

also for that build specifically, since you're using flamer, anoint in blood?

[void dragon]

true, its combos are fun to use, i just would want it to have equal performance with Rashad, definelly needs very minor adjustemnts to be amazing

[tropic notch]

Not needed but nice

[austere mica]

I don't want anything to have equal performance to rashad

[tropic notch]

Give it sunder

[austere mica]

I want rashad to have equal performance to everything else

[void dragon]

it needs a damage boost while active, its single target isnt there yet, idk if sunder is the answer but def would help

[willow prairie]

equally shit

[analog yacht]

monkey's paw all vet weapons are dclaw tier but other classes unchanged

[willow prairie]

because half the weapon are shit

[meager echo]

Inb4 combat axe have penetration profile of DC sword

[austere mica]

please

it would be so funny

to brick rashad overnight

[tropic notch]

It likes to mix heavies for single target

20 more damage with them with sunder

And horde clear

[analog yacht]

they really just gotta remove/rework bromentum. it's way too silly of a perk

[tropic notch]

I feel like that would gimp tac axe

[willow prairie]

bromentum reworked

rashad now unusable

[analog yacht]

idk I don't think it's a surprise that most of the strongest weapons in the game just use bromentum to 1 shot 4 guys per swing

like even PS gets it for some reason lol

they'd need to give axes actual cleave if they removed BM but it's just so meta warping as it exists

[meager echo]

I think axe get low cleave, high penetration is intended. Like in Vt2.

[analog yacht]

i mean they were kinda unusable in v2 except for like, slayer

elf 2h axe got cleave and it was fine. snd was still better

[austere mica]

I hate elf 1 hand axe with a burning passion

[analog yacht]

elf 1h axe worst weapon in the game lmao

[meager echo]

snd is so strong in that game.

Have answer for everything

[analog yacht]

too many weapons are OTP

[void dragon]

have tried using crusher with a crit build and it "Feels" the best, the weapon can swing a lot but it lacks on damage that i feel crit style cold favour its finesse
have you tried doing a Chorus build so far?

[tropic notch]

Crit crusher is amazing

Extremely good

[void dragon]

feels the best, tried with martyr and IJ and it just not there

[tropic notch]

Tbh book i have mixed feelings

[void dragon]

and the no respite means you can push attack all day

[tropic notch]

If I were to do book I’d use crit

[tropic notch]

Keep in mind the crusher is crit adjacent not a crit weapon

When you stack scourge is when it crits a ton

Like the hsword

[void dragon]

still, i feelt the difference on mauling 2 different crusher hordes and your rager swarms, the crit one felt far better at reducing them to paste

[tropic notch]

Yeah it’s really just preference

[void dragon]

will give a try to that path, thanks mate

[tropic notch]

Knife, tac axe, evis, chain sword, and dcalw are crit weapons

Oh and dueling sword

[viscid salmon]

depends on weapon

i love it with the duelling sword but thats also because it gives me nostalgia to vermintides bleed WHC

plus it might be placebo but it does look like it helps me with clearing hordes with DS

its good on knife with mercy killer

and uncanny

[fair shale]

Dueling Sword almost reminds me of Saltz Rapier

Miss the pistol tho

[viscid salmon]

its the same moveset outside of push attack

[fair shale]

Yup

[viscid salmon]

and alt fire is parry instead of fire gun

[fair shale]

And the funny infinite ammo pistol that benefits from perks

[wind cave]

Prob going to be using Falchion for a bit, but I haven't tried it quite yet

I opted not to take bleed

[viscid salmon]

idk how useful it is on falchion since falchion tends to kill things very fast so the bleed wont have time to ramp up

personally i dont like the falchion but lots of people are saying its perfect so it comes down to personal preference in the end

[spare wolf]

Downgraded relic blade tbh

Don't like it either

[viscid salmon]

i wouldnt use the bleed on either weapons that are able to very quickly kill hordes like power sword for example nor would i use it on slow ass weapon like combat axes or chain axes

[hollow ibex]

such a fair and balanced game

happened twice that match

[floral creek]

How's the mobility on Shock Maul?

[spare wolf]

And for horde clearing and killing elites fast, i'd just use PS

[viscid salmon]

since the way bleed dissipates one stack over time unlike fire id say serrated is best used on weapons that attack fast and/or have uncanny on it to reduce armor damage mitigation

[void dragon]

still not convinced on the Chswords, but maybe will try a tanky/slower version with evi, ty

[noble nexus]

Is Covering Fire a good node for stealth flanking build?

Is Covering Fire a good node in general?

[hollow ibex]

no and no

[noble nexus]

Um can you tell me the reason? pls?

anybody?

[tepid otter]

I havent played long enough to know which ones is bad or not either mate

I just ask for builds or look at some online

since I cant slap builds that are halfway decent on my own

[analog yacht]

unfortunately like 90% of online builds are atrocious and this applies to every video game

for dt maybe even 99% bc there's so much crunch

[noble nexus]

Double barrel flanker stealth build I came up with.
What should I change?

[austere mica]

Why are you taking volley adept and not taking always prepared

And longshot??????

[analog yacht]

longshot gives +10% r.damage now idk

[noble nexus]

just for the reloud speed

[willow prairie]

free 10-25 ranged damage

[austere mica]

You don't need reload speed if you run always prepared

[willow prairie]

longshot is good now

[austere mica]

Because you don't need to reload

[tall torrent]

not worth for DB tho lol

[noble nexus]

I just like using both barrels

[austere mica]

Still don't need to reload

Just get a kill in melee, swap off and on, then play as normal

Next time you draw you're at 2 shells

[noble nexus]

ok then two nodes free, what should I choose?

[noble nexus]

no wait one node.

[austere mica]

Take always prepared

[noble nexus]

should I take Covering Fire or one Motion?

[noble nexus]

ok

[viscid salmon]

Which one is covering fire?

Is that the one where kills near friendlies buff em?

[noble nexus]

one in the middle

uh huh

[tepid otter]

Middle node at the top

[viscid salmon]

Dogshit

Why would you ever want that

[shy raft]

Does weapon specialist nerfed? Used to be reach zealot's melee prowess

[austere mica]

What

[analog yacht]

covering fire is so troll

[noble nexus]

why tho

[analog yacht]

if you're shooting elites/specials (or even chaff if you're using recon las or something) you should shoot the ones that your allies aren't currently engaged with

at baseline you're denying them toughness and leaving the guys farther away from them alive to shred them and all covering fire does is mitigate that a bit

it's not something you should be doing to begin w/ and the talent just mitigates how bad it is

[noble nexus]

Understood. thx for explaining.

[analog yacht]

it bothers me sm when I'm meleeing a pack of dreg gunners or something and about to trigger a bunch of confirmed kill procs to keep me safe from the other pack of gunners and my ally magdumps a spearhead into the pack I'm attacking and leaving the other pack to kill me

[gritty mural]

if everyone is focus firing a single area there MOST likely is a enemy sneaking up for you to get some easy toughness out of

[viscid salmon]

its mediocre even if you use it as a support node. Even assuming youre trying to kill adds instead of elites/specials to buff the teammates, the buff lasts 3 seconds, which means that most often to get something out of it for teammates you gotta keep killing. If youre killing all the stuff near them then they dont need damage bonus (for 3 seconds) and the toughness regen while nice is also kinda whatever. Most people already run things to gain toughness on their own, if you want to regen their toughness youre better off using Born Leader

[noble nexus]

Thx for explaining!

[viscid salmon]

the only time, genuinely only time i could see it useful is if youre using it to cover them while they are fighting a boss. but even then, it would be better to just burst the boss down rather than try to "defend" them

[hollow ibex]

people who put the medkit in the fucking killzone in gloriana need to take classes in critical thikning

[ember junco]

just had a 1 vet 3 psyker moment lol
playing support vet, just kicking ass with three glass cannon psykers and one of the force greatsword psykers pop a burster on the stairs in archivum sycorax which blasted me into the void

so, i'm gone and then one of the psykers do a force slash which activates a daemonhost which boops them onto a ledge and they get killed

two psykers left and, of course, a wave spawns right as they're entering the floor where we're ready to be ressed and they're split up. one gets one-shot by an overhead mauler swing, and the last psyker gets overwhelmed

[ember junco]

not even upset about it. the witches are silly, doing their little silly antics was a flawless game up until i got blasted into the void

[unborn perch]

With the double barrel he can one shot any incoming mutant as it reaches the group and give everyone 15% toughness. Turning mutants into a free toughness delivery system

[noble nexus]

Does Rending nodes actually do something?
Why do they exist?
Am I missing something?

[viscid salmon]

gives 10% rending to everything

[ember junco]

rending rocks

[viscid salmon]

coupled with the MF subnode you can get +25% rending

[ember junco]

helps with crushers and other armored goobers

[noble nexus]

what kind of weapons does it synergize the best?

autoguns perhaps?

[viscid salmon]

ones that you can hold in your hands

i dont think theres any weapon that wouldnt be happier with 10% rending

maybe apart from melee that already has access to uncanny

since youll get to 100% anyway

[noble nexus]

I had this question cause people call Ogryn rending node trash so I was curious what makes the veteran ones different.

[willow prairie]

weapon selection

[ember junco]

rending does wonders with the munitorum maul heavy attacks against crushers and maulers specifically imo
but having it with anything with great innate armor pen can help you melt anything with armor

[willow prairie]

weapon dependent

there is a rending cap

[hollow ibex]

ryken did a pretty good intro guide to rending

check out his vid

[noble nexus]

Thx yall learned a lot.

[ember junco]

as an ogryn main, a lot of the weapon selection already have great armor pen, so you can forego picking nodes and go for blessings instead if you want or feel the need. talent points are valuable!!

[tacit sonnet]

anyone got an exec stance plasma build?

[noble nexus]

wouldn't that be overkill? I dunno.

[tepid otter]

maybe its for Havoc

[tacit sonnet]

Either you send me the build or I make an abomination and torture you with it

[tepid otter]

They got a lotta health on those

[tacit sonnet]

no, it's for aurics

[noble nexus]

fair.

[tepid otter]

i got like a bolter exec build that i pretty much just use universally

[viscid salmon]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH JUST PUSH THE FUCKING POXBURSTER AWAY STOP FUCKING ELECTRYFYING IT WHEN WERE IN CLOSE QUARTERS TUNNEL

YOU FUCKING MORONS

[tepid otter]

i just change the ranged weap on it

[viscid salmon]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

also i dropped a medic box on the ground because i got field improv and can clense the corruption on 2 out of 3 psykers in my match

AND THEY FUCKING JUST RUN OFF

AND ONE OF THEM DIES THE NEXT FUCKING 5 SECONDS

[noble nexus]

damn

[viscid salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-twitch-gir-cute-anime-gif-12255644201877275920

this is AFTER they decided to anger a fucking deamonhost for no fucking reason, we didnt even have a horde on us they just started attacking it

and the worst part is that this was a maelstrom, im actually kinda expecting atleast a SMALL fucking barely bottom of the barrel competence

[native hamlet]

insane aura farming

[tacit sonnet]

based

That's actually what I do every time I see a dh as psyker

but, usually I'm able to kill it solo with no outside help

Which I doubt your teammates were able to

[viscid salmon]

yea well all of them lost atleast 2/3rds of their health to the deamonhost

which is why i wanted to heal them WITH THE FUCKING MEDICRATE

[noble nexus]

what difficulty are you playing?

[viscid salmon]

auric maelstroms

[tacit sonnet]

chat

where is my build

I am not a vet main

And I am NOT cooking rn

[tepid otter]

let him cook

[noble nexus]

I'm so confused rn.

why

why would hey do that

[viscid salmon]

i really want to try using exec stance boltgun but time and time again i keep being shown that i NEED to round shout vet

[tacit sonnet]

Here's my build

it's awesome

[noble nexus]

Yeah I'd run that

[viscid salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-7280845142657635823

[tacit sonnet]

I warned you

[viscid salmon]

dont call gordon ramsay

[tacit sonnet]

Vet is my least played class for a reason

[viscid salmon]

why is the talent tree so compressed

[tacit sonnet]

So that it's more compressed

It's 35% smaller than usual

[viscid salmon]

what weapon is this supposed to be for

[tacit sonnet]

plasma

[viscid salmon]

🤷‍♂️

i wouldnt run that

but if it works i guess

assuming that it does

[tacit sonnet]

what do I run then

[viscid salmon]

you dont need covering fire

[tacit sonnet]

What do I need then

[fair shale]

Why do you like covering fire so much?

[tacit sonnet]

I don't like anything

I hate veteran

[fair shale]

Why play vet then?

[tacit sonnet]

because I want to

[noble nexus]

sad

[fair shale]

I see

[tacit sonnet]

you can't just say I don't need covering fire

And disappear

[tacit sonnet]

awesome

[viscid salmon]

i was on the site

[noble nexus]

Actually I asked the same question just before. scroll up a bit.

[viscid salmon]

if you dont care about melee attack speed just move it from there to field improv

its nice to have field improv as it affects everyones medic and ammo crates

[tacit sonnet]

suppression really that good it's worth 2 whole talent points?

[viscid salmon]

what suppression

youre going for kill zone

[tacit sonnet]

oh, that's kill zone

not the other one

how about this

https://i.vgy.me/ULvd5p.png

[viscid salmon]

i personally dont run focus target much so id just throw the extra points into the bottom right to get reciprocity and desperado

[tacit sonnet]

that's what I was thinking

[viscid salmon]

what melee weapon are you running

[tacit sonnet]

I don't fucking know

I guess falchions are new

so prob those

I just bought mastery 20 on it

Gonna try and see how it goes

[viscid salmon]

you can move the point from this to the 10% rending

or keep it as it is

[tacit sonnet]

I thought they had good adm already?

[viscid salmon]

Skirmisher on the right side buffs grenades

[viscid salmon]

when falchion is out of juice, youll want as much help as possible

or keep it on toughness, doesnt matter

[tacit sonnet]

when it's out of juice that 10% is not helping at all

[viscid salmon]

more damage is more damage

[tacit sonnet]

25 toughness is a lot

[viscid salmon]

plus i gotta check but i dont remember if blitzes also gain rending from the node

[tacit sonnet]

that +25 turns into like +40 with curios

[tacit sonnet]

they should

[viscid salmon]

yes, the rending applies to blitzes as well

and youre running shredders

[tacit sonnet]

Like this

And what was that perfect plasma stat distrib

@tired egret

thanks

[viscid salmon]

69 / 71

yea

[tacit sonnet]

spent 2 mil

Guess I'll get it next time

[sleek garden]

I'm going silly mode with power falchion

energy transfer and counter attack

all perfect block stuff

[hollow ibex]

hope you're ready for a bad time

[sleek garden]

it's working fine

[sharp epoch]

h40 stims and moebian is suprisingly hard

14 death game

[willow prairie]

h40 sstim + rotten armor is worse

[sharp epoch]

Yeah stims I think is worse than encroaching

the no stagger makes taunt ogryn a necessity to keep psykers alive

[grand perch]

Stims and healing

Have fun

[willow prairie]

yeah rotten armor

actually the worst modifier for stim

oh they're about to die?

fentanyl

[grand perch]

Sprinkle some pox gas modifier on top

The true havoc end boss right now though, is not getting an error and losing the match to a server crash

[willow prairie]

yeah mission abort has been way more common recently

[grand perch]

especially if it happens after you have already won and are back in the loading screen to the Mourningstar

[sharp epoch]

new patch new crashes

[sudden cedar]

A server crash most likely caused by Rotten Armour

But it's anyones guess really

[viscid salmon]

so i heard you wanted a 60 mobility double barrel shotgun

gee thanks brunt

[fair shale]

I spent 1.2 mil rolling a 70/70 defense power shield for my arb

It just showed up in the actual shop

[noble nexus]

I call this the "crazed gunman".
Kill fast, die even faster.
lol

[silver patrol]

does fully loaded actually work right now

or does it have the same bug the ammo stat has on weapons

[calm prairie]

it works

the bug is that they deleted the part that affects magazine size under the ammo stat

[plucky linden]

wait a moment, this was much higher before, right? I recall what, 50%?

[austere mica]

Its the same

They just described it poorly

[plucky linden]

so same 50% as before at high heat?

yeah nvm, it is

[tacit sonnet]

After the update

What are perks and blessings do I use on plasma

still this?

[grand perch]

Flak + unarmoured perks

And @tired egret if you care to optimise the last bit of value on that gun

[silver patrol]

also prob 60% charge rate

[ivory aurora]

dose Concentrated fire buff the crit chance on melee weapons ? i see the blessing in the buff bar thing

[tacit sonnet]

I tried

Wasted 2 mil

gonna try again in 2 mil

or more likely I'm just not gonna play vet

I played vet for 1 mission

and I still hate it

[sullen sentinel]

IIRC I have one with the perfect stats, and I got it on the first or second roll

sorry for taking everyone else's luck, I don't even use plasma much

[calm shard]

same

plasma luck is determined by ones opinion of the plasma

if you don't like the gun it's exponentially easier to get the perfect one

[grand perch]

I think that's mathematically sound

[crystal chasm]

Just got my internet back after 2 weeks thanks to the back to back typhoon philippines had. So any video guide on the ventran rewrok?

[sour elbow]

iirc the 10% rending applies to every weapon, so your gun gets it too.

[silver patrol]

i'd suggest you just go and see the new trees yourself

they aren't exactly reworks, the trees are just more open and some nodes have been fused together/integrated into the class (say goodbye to suppression as vet)

[sour elbow]

tl;dr: lots of tax nodes folded into other nodes, and tree is much more streamlined allowing you to get stuff that used to take 5 nodes to get if you weren't on that tree with a 1-2 node dip.

[sour elbow]

yeah I'm wondering about taking that extra suppression now. I wan t them to keep their heads up so I can shoot them.

[silver patrol]

also some nodes have been buffed (longshot is good now and Exe stance too)

and some nerfed (CD has been nerfed so shout spam isn't really as good)

[midnight wyvern]

or if you're indifferent

I only spent like 1 mil and got a 72/68 that shoots 8 times

[silver patrol]

why 71 charge rate

does anybody use the charge

[midnight wyvern]

lets you get the highest fire rate while still keeping 8 shots

and charge rate affects m1 too

it still charges to fire

hence the delay when you click

[silver patrol]

damn

i should really upgrade that 30 charge rate on my plasma gun then

[midnight wyvern]

[silver patrol]

tho at this point i have like 150 hours like this

[midnight wyvern]

playing with ankle weights

[silver patrol]

i thought the plasma gun was just built different like that

[orchid trellis]

duelling sword or power flachion?

[distant mural]

Power falchion for an actually usefull weapon against hordes ds for safety and pokie stick.

[midnight wyvern]

DS is good against hordes too

lol

shit got buffed with this update

[distant mural]

Its ok its not good

You can kill a horde but its definetly not good against it.

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[distant mural]

🤡

Stop glazing the duelling sword

Its not that good at everything

Everybody says that its good when they use 4 frag grenades for every horde…

[deep bone]

Frags best crowd control fr

I have been loving the Assault chainsword

[distant mural]

Yeah chainswords feel good now have been using it a lot with my vet after the update.

[floral creek]

chainswords good for weapon spec?

[analog yacht]

you don't need flak+handcannon to hit 2550. Just +10% r.damage, precision, and hc does 2576? Though superiority instead of HC also gets the 1shs

[umbral scaffold]

yes

very good

[analog yacht]

loner 2

[tepid otter]

What class is that from

[tame lodge]

All

It's a Mortis Trials thing

[silver patrol]

that's pretty bad isn't it

[grand perch]

I'm pointing to the left so no one looks at your broken damage numbers and psyker remains unnerfed

[woeful junco]

yesn't

coherency regen is primarily bad because it is disabled when you are aggro'd by melee enemies but iirc if that mortis buff works as intended, that is precisely when it works

its a bit like EWEW on zealot

[silver patrol]

even then, it seems horrible for the opportunity cost

unless it counts a whole horde as like having 10 allies and hypercharges your regen?

[tall torrent]

This is non-crit

[twilit heath]

there are rolls to this? i thought there only was different MKs of guns 😭

[honest quiver]

who are you strange person

[twilit heath]

a curious newbie

[woeful junco]

if you look at a weapon in your inventory you see 5 bars of stats

[twilit heath]

i thought they only were different based on the MKs of weapons

good to know though

means i can do some tomfoolery with the helbore

[honest quiver]

well different marks have different stats, some have different abilities and have different movesets in combat

[woeful junco]

the stats change between marks sometimes, yeah, but the numbers are randomly generated when you acquire the weapon and determine which stats can be raised to the cap of 80% and which stats will remain lower

ideally you want a weapon that goes to 80% in everything except one stat which then caps at 60%, usually called the dumpstat

finding the right stat spread is 'rolling'

[honest quiver]

what i was talking about was getting a thunder hammer with good rolls, and typically the defenses stat is the "dumpstat" for that specific weapon

[eternal venture]

It's a little like the knife where you feel like you're doing a lot (high APM) and staying alive, because the weapon is super safe

but your kill count isn't that high with the DS

It is much safer than the Falchion when three ragers are swinging in your face, though