veteran-class

[formal hamlet]

Oh yeah, do I need to use duelling sword any differently after this patch or literally just same everything?

[viscid salmon]

this shows promise

[viscid salmon]

nothing changed

stab and scoot

[formal hamlet]

Nice.

[elder vessel]

Damn and only 2 stacks of thrust? fuck yeah

[teal canyon]

Actually good scoreboard mod

With sorting, enemy types, and whatnot

[midnight wyvern]

just use plugin

💀

[viscid salmon]

ok

turns out

plasma gunners are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more common if you do hi int shock troop than maelstrom

fucking pain in my asshole

[frank basin]

“Fuck my chud life” scenario

[viscid salmon]

the solution is shrimple

[silver patrol]

am i right in thinking that stab spam with DS is actually faster than before

[viscid salmon]

we simply dont play hi int shock troop

[sudden cedar]

You could use smokes.

Overtuned or not, its funny how an enemy that is finally able to threaten players and punish recklessness gets hated on so much that you'd rather avoid playing certain missions instead of trying to find ways to deal with them

[ancient path]

kraks are very good rn

really with the buffs to crushers

[turbid ibex]

I love crack

[narrow widget]

average trapper hater

[hearty panther]

Mental L

[sudden cedar]

What?

[hearty panther]

It's a losers mentality. Just immediately giving up lmao

[hearty panther]

I get not enjoying the event anyway since they're always vent purge or lights out

And the spam gets tiresome, same as it would if you did fifteen Mutant Wave missions in a row

[sudden cedar]

true enough

[unreal nova]

Blind or blind or farts is not fun.

[hearty panther]

I'm enjoying lights out way more now that I have an rtx card

[sudden cedar]

@tame lodge That person got lucky the Plasma Gunners didnt get an opportunity to set up

[hearty panther]

There's enough casted light around that it isn't literally pitch fucken black

[unreal nova]

Doesn't matter. I turn RTX on and hit 1 digit FPS.

[hearty panther]

Ouch

I'm using frame gen dlss but im hitting 200fps

[tame lodge]

Also cool beat drop with "Fear my potential"

[unreal nova]

I'm already doing H40 at like 20-30 FPS on 1080 with everything but textures on low.

[heavy rover]

Maybe try using upscaling?

[sudden cedar]

I bet you aren't doing H40 right now consdering how unstable the game is

[hearty panther]

1080 the card?

[unreal nova]

That's with DLSS.

No. Res.

[hearty panther]

oh

[heavy rover]

Oh

[hearty panther]

what the hell is your card

[unreal nova]

3060 TI.

It's my CPU.

Anything higher than uprising sees instant fps loss on waves.

[hearty panther]

must be yea

[unreal nova]

H40 well.

You know how that's no respite.

300 ping, 25~ fps. Great stuff.

Current heresy hordes is around 47fps avg.

[unreal nova]

I did it yesterday. Check AgentChaos channel.

He recorded the run.

[sudden cedar]

Well lucky you.

For us we only get crashes.

[distant plaza]

how big of a step up is the difficulty from heresy to damnation compared to malice to heresy?

[unreal nova]

I got DC'd. But that's common with my 300+ ping EU connection.

[ancient path]

man it sucks hopping into a match happening and you do 2 clutches and end up wiping anyway because you caught a stray crusher overhead

emperor saw my deeds and will judge me worthy

all because i slid instead of dodging 😔

[hearty panther]

About the same

[thick needle]

What's the community consensus, are Chainswords finally good now

I'm sad about the Falchion sucking and I need a good crowd clearer for Boltgun builds

[hearty panther]

It's alright

[viscid salmon]

L take, an enemy that punishes dogshit.
Wanna talk about good enemy design? look at Snipers.
Audio and visual cue for single hit large damage, on a weak enemy that punishes you ignoring them.
on the other hand plasma gunners are ubiquitous unlike snipers, have more than 3 times the HP with armored heads, have a rapid fire plasma gun that destroys all your toughness no matter the amount and then chunk you for... ah yes, 130 damage. Without visual cues (that red blob of shit is hardly a visual cue especially when fired through a horde) and audio cues overlapping each other leading to no audio cues.
On top of that once multiple of them spawn and youre idk, doing the objective, that entire "recklessness" argument goes out of the fuckin window

[unreal nova]

You can easily get 6 in a pack outside of event.

No, that kills even a true grit arby.

[viscid salmon]

wow what a good design, yes, id rather not play missions where the chance of them appearing is much higher if it means i dont have to run smoke to combat one specific enemy

[unreal nova]

Maybe oggy might survive.

Don't think so though.

[viscid salmon]

what a fucking joke of an enemy

[hearty panther]

See, Mental L

[unreal nova]

They really need a nerf and a cap for normal missions.

Equiv to a sniper in cap. Slower shot rate. Karkers shoot faster than captains.

[fair shale]

My issue with plasma gunners is they seem to shoot faster if the first shot hits you

The follow up shot feels like it comes out faster

[viscid salmon]

i dont mind them being high in numbers in the event, you know theres gonna be a lot of them, you can plan ahead. I have an issue with them being spawned in a fucking dozen in regular missions without any visual or sound cue, and lets be fucking honest here 9/10 times the general way youll notice theres a fucking plasma cuck is when they start shooting (and/or just fucking slap the shit out of your toughness)

wow, i sure am being punished for my "recklessness"

[fair shale]

Tbh my least favorite time for em to spawn is with a plasma pistol captain cause they sound exactly the same

[unreal nova]

When I go from 50 gold to 0 toughness. Or just dead. Actually. They are silent.

[mortal aspen]

with better sound\visual cues they'll be good enemies

[unreal nova]

That requires less enemies or an engine overhaul.

[mortal aspen]

less enemy spam would be great

[unreal nova]

The sound engine just can't deal with the mess.

[faint beacon]

This is why I downloaded a mod that makes a sound when they’re getting ready to fire

Seeing they haven’t manually tweaked them, I will use this instead till they do

[silver patrol]

they are pretty obviously unfinished

am i ever so grateful the new DS feels basically the same and even oneshots them

[faint beacon]

It’s better

The “nerf” was more like a buff

Lmao

[silver patrol]

i feel like the stab is less active

which means it's actually more spammable

[faint beacon]

Them giving it a parry literally just enabled boss juggling without too much thought

[silver patrol]

yeah, losing the stabby stabby special means you can't stagger crushers and the like but even then it was limited to one dude

imo it wasn't very good

even without using the parry it feels better

[faint beacon]

Agile being there as a bait blessing now cause like you don’t even need movement when you can parry everything outside of ranged and explosives

[silver patrol]

there is a blessing with that name?

uh did anyone ever use it

[hollow ibex]

shitters mostly

[silver patrol]

the blessing selection the DS has is insane and tbh Agile looks like trash compared to everything else

[hollow ibex]

it's mostly for people who have no idea how to make one of the most favorable dodge profiles in the game work (it's literally impossible)

[unreal nova]

It was mostly used to chain bully and damage on mk 2 anyway.

[faint beacon]

It’s a bait blessing mainly cause, yes infinite dodges are incredibly powerful

However

[silver patrol]

doesn't mk2 have like

both mobility and defense

[faint beacon]

Anyone who has two braincells can juggle their dodges correctly

[silver patrol]

oh that's the mk 5

[unreal nova]

Or plays 300 ping where everything is a guessing game. I got overheaded 10 feet away from a captain.

Like, are you serious? How? But it happened, twice.

[silver patrol]

chaos powers

[turbid ibex]

• yes
• probably tzeencth fuckery

[hasty pasture]

What blessings and mark for falchion?.

[turbid ibex]

cranial wrath

[hasty pasture]

I asked last night but a furry was arguing with someone

[turbid ibex]

mk idk

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[formal hamlet]

I hate these enemies, I don't even hear them half the time.

[mortal aspen]

Poxburster jumpscare

[sudden cedar]

Probably because it was silent.

[hasty pasture]

@mortal aspen fair

[mortal aspen]

I hate when they're just sitting behind those spawners and not being silent

you hear them, but you have no idea where they are and they just never come out

[stable socket]

earlier today i was running havoc on gloriana and during The Event we were retreating back to the respawn point after resetting one of the sparky thingies, then six plasma gunners emerged from the side doors

the first warning we had was when our vet disappeared

[hasty pasture]

The plasma gunners are so overtuned

Large beams of orange and 20 gunners beaming you from across the map

[turbid ibex]

ive said this before but they shouldve been specialists instead of elites

[hollow ibex]

funny how bursters sometimes turn off every other fucking sound in the game

other times they're completely silent

this is why i run mods

fuck that shit

[turbid ibex]

either theyre muting every other sound or theyre the ones being muted

[unreal nova]

Just server things. Good thing Arby can eat two of them fine even with no extra hp.

[olive halo]

bros, any needed talents or blessings for power falchion? I didnt see anything about it on the hammer guide

[turbid ibex]

hammer guide is outdated

[unreal nova]

Cranial+heaksink or leakage.

[turbid ibex]

bath is working a remake of the guide that is far more comprehensive

[hollow ibex]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/596

lmao

[olive halo]

man... why is it the first pinned one then

aight which one is up to date, if there's another?

[turbid ibex]

there isnt

[olive halo]

damn

[hollow ibex]

updated guide soon tm

[turbid ibex]

and it was mostly still accuratte before this update

[olive halo]

guess ima scour discord messages with the search bar then

[hollow ibex]

hopefully within the next 2 months

[turbid ibex]

2 years*

[hollow ibex]

path actually gets stuff done, unlike fatshart

don't you dare put them on the same level

[olive halo]

oh I thought it was like, outdated for a while by the tone

[turbid ibex]

not if my plans go through 🙂

[unreal nova]

Unless new game. +3 months then.

[hollow ibex]

i'm talking about a new version of the guide

the old one is kinda outdated

[olive halo]

aight gotcha

[hollow ibex]

still works on prob 75% of the weapons

but stuff like falch is not on it

[turbid ibex]

the main things that are really outdated are mostly to do with the talents

[umbral scaffold]

if only i had a pc… my toughness wouldn’t melt

[hollow ibex]

console players are out of luck here

[unreal nova]

Or just don't use them and just get better even without.

[turbid ibex]

ye :/

[umbral scaffold]

that’s what i’ve been trying to do lol i’ve been playing with my dad

the only mod he uses is the scoreboard and maybe true level

[unreal nova]

Ah. I'm just too lazy.

[turbid ibex]

thats really nice to hear

[silver patrol]

this is why i play with spidey sense

[fallow beacon]

which hellbore mark has the good stab

[meager echo]

Plasma gunner is straight up bad desgin. You need to take certain blitz / ability to counter them -> gate keeping build. You can not dodge, sliding them consistenly. Vissual clarity before they shoot you is none existence. Players should be able to counter enemy without blitz / ability like sniper. It is good that we have new enemy, it just need balance adjusting.

[hollow ibex]

3 or 5

[turbid ibex]

4 doesnt even have stab

[silver patrol]

plasma gunners would be ok if they didn't look like normal enemies, were much rarer and didn't appear in groups

[turbid ibex]

so a specialist

[silver patrol]

and had halved firerate

yes, a specialist

which is what they should be

[woeful junco]

I agree with all of these points. plasma gunners are conceptually good for the game but their execution lacks the clever design that makes sniper work. they need the same white pre-shot muzzle flash, they need a much louder pre-shot audio cue that tells you to DODGE NOW, their voicelines need to actually play! i dont know why they dont. they exist. i heard them during testing. classic fatshark i guess lol. then they need an attack speed nerf and some checks to clamp their spawns so you can never end up with 8 appearing at once during an event elite wave or something and then they're prob good.

[silver patrol]

how about reworking them into like

a captain

[turbid ibex]

we already have a plasma captain

[silver patrol]

much less damage (but still notable) and they buff normal soldiers near him

well not really a captain more like i dunno

i dunno military ranks

a major?

[woeful junco]

a scab sergeant? yeah i want one of those too.

[fair shale]

They could stand to have real callouts too, instead of the rejects calling them shotgunners, gunners, or heavy gunners

[silver patrol]

yeah

[stable socket]

or you could have fewer of them spawn but make them shoot slower and be more durable... maybe some kind of shield that comes back every 20% of hp they lose...

[silver patrol]

if they are going to stay this durable they really need a cosmetic redesign imo

because they look like normal soldiers with a helmet

they look like you would slice them like butter with a sword instead they are almost mauler-tier

[fair shale]

It wouldn't hurt if they had like, glowy preysense goggles or something

[turbid ibex]

theyre supposed to

[hearty panther]

I think the issue is very much your brain putting the Plasma Gunner into the same space as a Sniper when they are really just Shotgunners +. You aren't waiting on a cue to dodge/slide, you should just be dodging and sliding preemptively when they are around the same way you would Gunners and Shotgunners.

[silver patrol]

well the problem is, at the moment they are more dangerous than almost any specialist and elite

[hearty panther]

I like that you can't just instantly dome them in the head from far away with their helmet and are mostly forced to cut towards them.

[hollow ibex]

they're literally the best of both worlds rn for the heretics lol

[silver patrol]

yeah

[meager echo]

Spawn 3 plasma gunner in psykhanium, and sliding in circle, you will notice best you can do is run to cover. You can not consistently sliding to dodge all of their projectile. In real game with mixed horde and armour elite show up. It's run enders.

[silver patrol]

and i dunno if it's only the mission modifier the damn quickplay always puts me in

but they also appear in groups and that tactic isn't really feasible

[hearty panther]

... So like gunners.

[turbid ibex]

modifier does crank spawnrates to absurdity

[stable socket]

i think they can shoot thru friendly armor, unlike gunners

not 100% sure though

[silver patrol]

yeah they also fire through other enemies

[meager echo]

Gunners doesn't have carapace head to invalidated many range option.

[stable socket]

but like if your team is backing up from 10 rotten armor stimmed crushers and there's a handful of plasma gunners 40m behind them, that's it unless you have bubble or smoke

[silver patrol]

even if you do, you may be too late

unless you really spot them first

and again, they aren't really the most notable enemies

[meager echo]

The way you counter them consistently now is lame af, you use smoke or bubble to not interact with them at all.

No dodge, no sliding. No skill expression, just wait for cooldown.

[silver patrol]

actually i wonder if spidey sense was updated for them

[stable socket]

i'm pretty sure juiced helbore can oneshot them, idk if it was on a headshot or going for body shots

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-be-blunt-with-you-blunt-gif-17728238619641319735

[silver patrol]

plasma and helbore can oneshot them yeah

[turbid ibex]

vets whenever plasmers spawn

[stable socket]

but i've played with a few good helbore vets that were killing them in h40 with a single shot

[meager echo]

But you also have to stand in smoke/ bubble right. Counter firing them without aforemention ability -> down instantly if they target you.

[stable socket]

pretty much

[unborn perch]

Does covering fire also give yourself the +15% toughness replenishment? Or just for allies?

[turbid ibex]

which one is that?

[silver patrol]

talent toward the mark capstone

irrc

[hollow ibex]

it was yeah

[silver patrol]

gamer time then

[stable socket]

does slab shield/arby shield block plasma? i am too afraid to try

[hearty panther]

yes

[stable socket]

if so, ogryn shield + taunt on block should instantly pull plasma gunners to melee from any range

but then you have to play shield

[silver patrol]

it's not so bad

[meager echo]

I think dodge, sliding should break their tracking. Right now their tracking is way too aggressive.

[silver patrol]

tho maybe its light attacks should be less uh

garbage fire

[fallow beacon]

are plasma gunners carapace all over or is it just their helmet

[silver patrol]

helmet

[turbid ibex]

helmet

[silver patrol]

they are maulers with plasma

[stable socket]

i don't mind shield but h1 spam gets a little old and the damage is a little on the low side (although having skullcrusher access isn't bad)

[unreal nova]

8 only? I think it goes to 14+ on the higher end. Insta death much.

[silver patrol]

you are using a blood build with the shield right?

[stable socket]

yeah

[meager echo]

Or make it so plasma gunner delete all your toughness, but deal significant less health damage if keeping current fire rate.

[silver patrol]

ehhh

having no toughness is already a death sentence

how about gatling plasma guns

[crude wind]

I'm worried they are going to be nerfed into the ground

[silver patrol]

same

[hearty panther]

im totally fine with readability changes but yeah, i dont want to see them touched for a month at least

[silver patrol]

in the way i'm worried i'll get paid at the end of the month

[hearty panther]

i think most of you spend more time debating them instead of actually fighting and learning them lmao

[unreal nova]

Only allies. Still bad imo.

[silver patrol]

there is little to learn about them bro

[meager echo]

How you fight them then ?

[hearty panther]

same way i fight gunners

[silver patrol]

as veteran, they are fine to handle

[meager echo]

you just shoot back ?

[hearty panther]

its really not that complex

well, shooting sometimes

[silver patrol]

a little less so anyone else unless you are a shield ogryn or a bubble psyker

[hearty panther]

specifically in terms of avoiding their damage, just pretend they are a gunner and that they are ALWAYS firing

[meager echo]

you tell me the best way to counter them is out dps them ?

Is that achievable on all classes ?

[unreal nova]

They just ruin playing with lag harder than anything else in the game.

[hearty panther]

you wouldnt try to outdodge and outslide eight gunners in a room

[silver patrol]

why are you playing with lag

do you live in australia

[hearty panther]

so i dont know why we think its ridiculous that eight plasma gunners can blow you up if you do the same

[fair shale]

PGs are light work on CS arby imo

[unreal nova]

SEA. Server is dead at this hour.

[silver patrol]

true, two shotguns and they go down

[fair shale]

Aye

[silver patrol]

well, one goes down

[meager echo]

bro record your self dodging and sliding 3 plasma gunners in psykhanium. To see if your statement is correct.

[fair shale]

Shotgun on the way in, melee em when you get there

[hearty panther]

it would just be me running into cover and then flipping the bird

its not complex

[unreal nova]

I can literally solo without a mod lul.

[crude wind]

The only thing they need is better telegraphing imo.

[fair shale]

I think in like a week or 2 PGs wont be that bad

And theyre mainly shock rn

[silver patrol]

lol right

we found the solo private game option

[fair shale]

The first day I loathed them but like

[meager echo]

So you say map like with big room no cover is dead sentence for team ?

[fair shale]

I kinda like having a real threat+they only need minor, minor tweaks i think

[hearty panther]

and we desperately needed an enemy whose focus was countering toughness generation, especially with the new buffs we just got

[fair shale]

Exactly

[silver patrol]

i don't think the real threat should come from a dude that looks like anyone else, doesn't have any sound and appears in groups

[hearty panther]

that used to be fire, but they got rid of that ages ago

[hearty panther]

theyre not that unobtrusive, you can spot them

lights out and vent purge notwithstanding

[silver patrol]

they look like normal riflemen

[fair shale]

Nah I agree, but i think the threat level is good and they need more visual clarity as opposed to damage or survivability nerfs

[hearty panther]

which doesnt help

[meager echo]

Let me tell you something, plasma gunners is not unbeatable. But the way it is now, you need to take certain blitz/ ability to counter them. It feel like dog shit. No weapons/ ability should be mandatory.

[unreal nova]

Is either, solo or play with lag and still solo (clutch).

[stable socket]

i don't like them but it just means you have to play more careful, in aurics and below you can get away with anything as long as your movement is good and in havocs your team will 99% have bubble/smoke so just wait for the hard counters to come out

do i like that havoc forces certain playstyles? not really but havoc always forced certain playstyles anyway (crusher/boss spam means carapace and boss damage is much more important than anything else, and high density makes stuff like purg/flamer and on-kill talents like CDR or demo team much stronger than baseline)

[hearty panther]

nothing is mandatory, there are simply harder counters than others

you could say the same thing about normal snipers and gunners

but the difference is you had three years to learn them

[meager echo]

Hey you can consistenly dodge and sliding sniper

[fair shale]

Snipers have a lot of visual clarity tbf

[meager echo]

you break their tracking

Not the same for plasma gunners

[hearty panther]

yeah now spawn 15 of them in vent purge and run around an open room and ooops

[silver patrol]

you cannot be comparing gunners and snipers to plasma dude

[fair shale]

They'd probably be much worse without the giant red laser

[hearty panther]

suddenly theyre kinda too much again huh

[silver patrol]

in the first place, snipers are made of paper

you could melee a crowd, be targeted by a sniper, swap to your gun and shoot in his general direction and return to melee without much problems

[unreal nova]

Make it so if you shoot their gun, it goes boom killing them and things around them as well.

Heh.

[meager echo]

or just dodge sliding, it break sniper tracking immediately

[silver patrol]

like a flamer?

except it damages enemies i suppose

[fair shale]

I mean it probably wouldnt hurt if they had, idk, a firerate cap or something

Or a cooldown period

Afaik they can just keep spamming

[unreal nova]

Even faster than captains.

[fair shale]

No im aware

[rough cobalt]

Even after buffs is there even a point to exec stance? enemies spawn allways behind me and hit me if I want to kill of ranged enemies or elites

[fair shale]

Their follow up shot when they hit you is faster than a normal one which is mega scuffed imo

[unreal nova]

I expect them to be slower fire than capts but...

[mortal aspen]

that's not the fault of Exe stance

[sudden cedar]

How it feels to be on the receiving end of the beloved Veteran Plasma Gun

[mortal aspen]

it's really good now

especially for dealing with the hated plasma goons

[rough cobalt]

on paper sure, in practice tho?

[mortal aspen]

yes, in practice

[silver patrol]

then when they murder the plasma gun i expect a massive nerf to the plasma dudes too

[fair shale]

Not even tbh, theirs is better

[mortal aspen]

10% toughness per second permanently

[rough cobalt]

may be that infantry lasgun doesn't do well with it then

didn't see much difference in exec stance against plasma either

[silver patrol]

are you aiming at the head

[rough cobalt]

on plasma, no

on other, yes

they have carpace in head?

[silver patrol]

i don't think the infantry lasgun does well with anything personally

[silver patrol]

yeah

[rough cobalt]

...

buffs bad

useless

[silver patrol]

they buffed it?

[unreal nova]

Way better. They technically hit harder relatively.

[mortal aspen]

they die to two Vigi headshots, or like two plasma bodyshots

[fair shale]

No upper cap on shots either, seemingly

[mortal aspen]

they're really not that tough

[silver patrol]

i think it's better to aim at the head with plasma

[unreal nova]

Also inf ammo.

[fair shale]

Yk

[meager echo]

Running to cover should not be the only option to counter plasma gunners without blitz/ability.
Relay Station TRS-150 mid event.
Chasm Logistratum final event, train hallway.

[fair shale]

I think the solution

[meager echo]

No cover for you

[fair shale]

Is to run 4 plasma vets

See if you can out plasma the hut

[unreal nova]

We will run out of ammo first.

[silver patrol]

i feel like plasma has excellent ammo efficiency tho

[unreal nova]

Feeding 4 plasmas is pretty expensive.

[meager echo]

Chasm Station HL-16-11 first bridge also have zero cover.

[fair shale]

Smoke nades are goodTM

Make your own concealment

[silver patrol]

btw is the survivalist cooldown global

[mortal aspen]

Havoc was made specifically for coordinated teams

[silver patrol]

or only for the character that triggers it

[mortal aspen]

it should require you to cover all your bases

[unreal nova]

Global.

[silver patrol]

lame

[mortal aspen]

and in aurics, I think they're only really a problem in the event

[unreal nova]

It triggers if anyone kills in coherency, replenishing all in coherency.

[meager echo]

Then no plasma gunners outside havoc ?

[unreal nova]

You want born leader for a reason.

[mortal aspen]

no, just adjust their spawns a bit

and fix their callouts, audio cues etc.

idk, we'll see what fatshark does with them in the hotfix

[unreal nova]

Or make them closer to specials.

[meager echo]

I get your point, they are not invincible unit. We can counter them. But the relying on blitz/ ability is not the way.

[unreal nova]

3 max barring modifier.

[meager echo]

Also cover is not enough, because some map/event doesnt have cover at all. If you happen to get those map via quick play that's bad.

[viscid salmon]

if the attacks were less rapid fire, the enemies had better cues and most importantly there wouldnt be so many of them, sure, i can see them as a good addition. But all of that on top of being a 1900HP mauler with a gun while a sniper is a 500HP squishy doing a lot of damage... they arent glass cannon type enemy, they are just a cannon enemy

[meager echo]

It is significantly easier to tone down plasma gunners than re-design the map.

[silver patrol]

sniper has 500 hp but it receives bonus damage from everything no?

[viscid salmon]

🤷‍♂️

what do you mean bonus damage

[turbid ibex]

snipers just ragdolls if you look at them wrong

https://tenor.com/view/gmod-ragdoll-video-game-video-game-gif-20573521

[unreal nova]

They take more damage.

[silver patrol]

some enemies have a damage multiplier vs ranged or melee attacks

like, snipers received multiplied damage against both ranged and melee

[unreal nova]

Snipers fit the long range glass cannon thing.

[sharp epoch]

i found the new vet meta for h40s

exe stance melee vet 😂

[split grove]

oh my god

h40 1 million gunners

and i brought boltgun exe stance

I was in heaven

[atomic zephyr]

i figured out my brauto exe stance weapon spec build

brrrrrrrrr

[tall torrent]

consider giving them a laser like snipers
as of now it's hard to tell where they're shooting from if more than 2 exist and they're in different directions of the player

[grand perch]

anyone wanna do this on the actual difficulty instead of cheesing it?

[scenic vapor]

i did it on auric but with amount of ammo u can save with the buffs u get u dont even struggle

[grand perch]

i just realised

[silver patrol]

does that count only your char

[grand perch]

i thought you need the whole team to not take ammo or health

[silver patrol]

because it's not hard at all

i think i accidentally did it as zealot actually

[scenic vapor]

then it wwould be kinda hard but still pretty doable with a squad of 4

[grand perch]

you see precisely why i asked if anyone wanted to do it

[scenic vapor]

i miss read and thought that u asked if anyone did it on an actual diff instead of cheesing it

mb

[grand perch]

people who fail at reading 🤝

[scenic vapor]

mortis are a bit boring tho, all that power and to little to kill

[hearty panther]

freal

condense it into four waves

[silver patrol]

that doesn't explain why my teammates get downed on wave 1

[unreal nova]

I did it on an auric run. Just took colossus on Vet.

[silver patrol]

the survival perks are way, way stronger than any offensive one imo

[turbid ibex]

they arent as funny tho

[silver patrol]

except regenerating grenades on arbiter

[silver patrol]

it's true

[tall torrent]

I think it's just urself not taking ammo/using medicae

[turbid ibex]

infinite ammo on exestance is still one of the funniest things ever

[unreal nova]

But is broken so it works on any diff and even if you used the ammo crate.

[scenic vapor]

yeah it is we already established it

[unreal nova]

Only thing stopping it is Medicae use.

[scenic vapor]

also Hi Karien 👋

[grand perch]

the worst mortis penance is fishing for the specific voice lines anyway

pure chance

[meager echo]

I got it playing with random. Does bot using medicate count ?

[calm shard]

huh, might consider taking MMF rending to use it on my exe stance builds

[unreal nova]

Is just your char.

You just cannot use medicae and you'll get it.

It's bugged atm.

[calm shard]

drop exhilarating takedown or marksman for it

[meager echo]

I wish more people playing that mode.

[silver patrol]

it's just too barebones

[unreal nova]

Mew.

[silver patrol]

and it ends when it starts to get good

[meager echo]

I got the upgrade that give grenades back when kill enemies with explosion. So good hahaha.

[unreal nova]

Needs a new game+ vote.

In the, you can leave or continue.

All players must vote to continue.

[silver patrol]

i think it needs a mann vs machine kind of upgrade system

[grand perch]

mortis takes too long for a fun snack round

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch How do you cheese that?

[meager echo]

the first two round is boring as well, nothing happen.

[grand perch]

you can do it on less than auric diff

[sudden cedar]

Really?

Quality coding.

[grand perch]

ainz said so

[tall torrent]

Nah just take rending strikes
It’s only for carapace tbh

[unreal nova]

I have tested it with friends.

[tall torrent]

Also use mk2b over mk1

[unreal nova]

The ONLY caveat is NEVER using medicae.

[calm shard]

I wouldn't be able to afford it with the way I build exe

[unreal nova]

YOu can use ammo crate.

[calm shard]

since i take skirmisher MMF

[unreal nova]

You can get it on Malice, heresy and damnation.

[calm shard]

it has a cooler moveset anyways

[tall torrent]

I didn’t like it nearly as much cuz I was using mk1

[unreal nova]

Never tested uprising.

[tall torrent]

The problem with mk1 is that the sweep does way less damage

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch Not cheesing it sounds like a good idea.

[tall torrent]

FS saw mk10 be the better relic blade and decided to do the reverse for falchion

[calm shard]

yeah

but hey that means the one with the cool moveset is the good one this time

[tropic notch]

Wish it had sunder

[tall torrent]

I also don’t think falchion is competing vs power sword

Because it’s not a close competition

It’s a Rashad competitor, in a way

Tho I think it’s a little off from being as good

It is however the closest thing to the first actually balanced melee weapon on veteran

[tropic notch]

Guh

[sharp epoch]

when people say balance it means weak

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s not what I mean

[mortal aspen]

it only feels weak compared to overtuned bullshit

[tall torrent]

It’s really close to Rashad metrics

The mk2b anyway

[sharp epoch]

rashad but power mechanic means it's weaker than rashad tbh it's like having to do random stuff to get the same results

[sudden cedar]

@tall torrent Hows mk10 the better relic blade?

[tall torrent]

It’s not “weaker” it wins in some parts and loses in others

[sharp epoch]

just not a good designed weapon if it runs out of juice no matter what in a game that throws constant enemies at you

[tall torrent]

Mk2’s uppercut has no weakspot priority despite it being the supposedly higher damage atk and as a result mk10 wins in almost all metrics all the time practically

[sudden cedar]

I see.

[hollow ibex]

what combos are you using on it btw?

[grand perch]

yeah team not required

[tall torrent]

Horde clear
Push atk + [H1 + L2]

Single target
Push + L4 + [L1 + H2]

[hollow ibex]

thanks

why push for the ST?

god the heavy wind up time on the H1 is so bad lol

[tall torrent]

Push chains into L4 overhead into L1 overhead into H2 uppercut

[hollow ibex]

ahh

nice

[inner summit]

Since the update I've seen this crazy vet melee build showing up in matches that is silly damage, and super tanky. Anyone know what this build is?

[faint beacon]

Hence why I like it lmao

[sharp epoch]

probably ws on the right side

[silver patrol]

damn

i have to play melee vet now

[inner summit]

Ya figured its WS of some flavor, shooting just enough to keep WS going

[silver patrol]

has anyone tried making shroudfield work

[sharp epoch]

either be super cracked at aiming and play helbore or play melee vet

[silver patrol]

you could just use the plasma

[faint beacon]

Vigilant MMF builds

They exist

They’re pretty solid now also

Hell just Vigilants in general now

[sharp epoch]

haven't encountered any vets running that in high havoc yet so idk how good they are

[meager echo]

Thammer shroud filed is good. One shot boss in auric. Ive yet to see THammer in havoc new patch.

[unreal nova]

Zealot? Yeah. I'm doing it for penances. Bothered to try again because zealous is funny as heck.

[silver patrol]

ah sorry

[faint beacon]

It’s cause they’re too scared of experimenting

[silver patrol]

that ability but the vet version of it

[faint beacon]

I’ve been running them in high havoc and they do work very well

[silver patrol]

i cannot remember its name at all because it's ass

[sharp epoch]

I'll experiment once I hit 40

[faint beacon]

Might be a minute with plasma gunners lmao

Actual hard check on havoc

[bitter turtle]

It got weaker relatively with the patch

[silver patrol]

lol

[bitter turtle]

You can play it but the uptime feels really bad

[inner summit]

I had 3 H40s do the team disconnect 3/4th of the way or near the end this week. I am very salty about Havoc right now.

[silver patrol]

it already felt very bad

[bitter turtle]

It had the longest cooldown so it felt tac awareness nerf the hardest

[faint beacon]

Tac awareness nerf

Unintentionally nerfed it

[sharp epoch]

dont play stealth lol

[bitter turtle]

Im saying that being someone who actually played stealth pre rework

[sullen scarab]

what perks do you run on the power sword 6 right now?

[sharp epoch]

stealth got nerfed to the ground 60 sec cd if you take the double charges

[tall torrent]

it's a rashad tier weapon but I think it can use a leg up

[bitter turtle]

I just dropped it after the tree rework its actually just not worth it anymore period

[sharp epoch]

I don't think shout is very worht it either

I kinda dropped it from my build

[sullen scarab]

Is PS6 still Maniac+Elites? Or do you slap Carapace on it now

[bitter turtle]

I think shout is still good, exec is also good now (since it got buffs and also was basically unaffected by the tac awareness nerf)

[tall torrent]

unyielding carapace

[sullen scarab]

Oh shit

[unreal nova]

Shout still does more safely.

[bitter turtle]

Dont think you need maniac

With so much dmg buffs on the tree that weren't there before

[sullen scarab]

Sounds good, thanks man.

Yeah that makes sense, since you get like 45% damage from just sliding around lol

[inner summit]

So with Ex stance run it with recon lasgun now, typical spray and pray?

[sharp epoch]

the problem is its a 20 second cd realistically to refill your toughness, vs having a 10% regen almost always up

[unreal nova]

Is basically, can you aim your gun?

[willow prairie]

piss toughness to you and teammate

[sharp epoch]

bonus 25% ranged damage and highlighting too

[willow prairie]

executioner stance refresh on melee kill

[unreal nova]

I take too long to aim so not worth it.

[sharp epoch]

Yeah I'm running exe stance melee vet its that much better than shout ironically

[unreal nova]

It switches to ranged, very annoying.

[willow prairie]

bruh

literally change back

what the problem

[stuck gorge]

@urban lotus this

[willow prairie]

it also have infinite uptime in horde

[unreal nova]

With my lag, weapon switching many times get eaten up so i don't switch till like 4 secs later.

So i waste bullets shooting the floor.

[mortal aspen]

I'm not used to the autoswitching so I reactively switch back to melee

xdd

[sharp epoch]

if I was lagging that bad I would play ogryn or arb cause theyre more forgiving

veteran you kinda have to have quick reactions

[inner summit]

I'd say Arb, no one expects anything from you other than just kill shit.

[unreal nova]

I play melee vet for a reason.

[sharp epoch]

what reason

[unreal nova]

'Nade goes boom, Bistol is the best stat stick, stab stab stab.

[inner summit]

Ogryn and lag would be bad, at least with Arb and lag your dog can kill things if you can't react

[sharp epoch]

oh the nade bolt pistol build 💀

[unreal nova]

[sharp epoch]

idk spamming m1 and f is not that bad on lag

[unreal nova]

Naw, the lag causes my hits to be eaten up as well. I take way more chip than Arby on Oggy.

[sullen scarab]

Oh yeah, what do you run on Rashad now? Unyielding+Carapace, Brutal Momentum+Headtaker?

[unreal nova]

Is why Agile is my best friend... or was. Parry funni.

[sharp epoch]

dueling sword on melee vet too?

[sullen scarab]

Slowly reworking all my builds and all the perks changed lol

[unreal nova]

Just spam m1 to heck head lvl and you can inf dodge spam.

[unreal nova]

Knoife. Only pulled out the DS because trying the parry thing.

Also, safer with all the plasma cunts.

[sharp epoch]

icic I feel like the damage on knife is not very good though, it's decent for surviving though

[inner summit]

Plasma cunts - that about sums them up

[willow prairie]

run crit + bleed

uncanny + flesh tearer

mercy killer is kind of a trap

[unreal nova]

Uncanny Mercykiller is fine.

[sharp epoch]

I lose a lot of damage but smokes is a pretty good counter for them

[willow prairie]

is it more single target damage?

yes

does it have as much horde clear?

no

[unreal nova]

That's when you throw 2 frags.

[willow prairie]

knife single target damage is also rely on crit

[sharp epoch]

Probably around 200-300k by the end round if I don't use frags

[inner summit]

I've seen that in matches, WS + smokes vet builds - smoke and melee

[unreal nova]

Or 1, if you twin.

[sullen scarab]

nvm I found it for rashad, thank you bath.rawr lol

[tall torrent]

unarmored + carapace

[tall torrent]

uncanny is cringe
run mercy + flesh tearer

[willow prairie]

blood for the blood god

[tall torrent]

be the meme build ur destined for

[sullen scarab]

I like how I just have to search weapon name + bath.rawr and I find the builds usually lmao

[willow prairie]

but yeah uncanny + flesh tearer is amazing

[sullen scarab]

[unreal nova]

Did someone say, lacerate+flesh tearer AND the talent?

[sullen scarab]

BLEED BUILDS ARE BACK?

[keen sleet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/190kdpq/a_simple_guide_to_toughness_damage_reduction/

Is this still accurate today? I'm trying to work out the damage of plasma gunners and why I still had my toughness after getting shot (177 + 50 gold) while my arbitrator friend (143 + 50) was depleted instantly

[mortal aspen]

he had less toughness and DR?

[faint beacon]

It’s really fucking good you just notice it’s downside when you’re in high heat and a carapace horde shows up

[calm shard]

or the finnicky fucking uppercut/overhead hitboxes decide that you aren't hitting their head

[faint beacon]

Painful sometimes

But incredibly fun still

Mulches hordes though

Included with Flak

[fresh spire]

If I’m not going Wep specialist for recon lasgun, is it better to take focus or marksman

[keen sleet]

Yes, as far as he shows me only 1 10% TDR node while I had 10% TDR node + Exhilarating Takedown + Iron Will. Is that just it? Plasma bolts seem like it depletes all toughness like old fire attacks.

[faint beacon]

Recon you can genuinely just take neither

Keystoneless

One of the few weapons you can run keystoneless

[calm shard]

if you're building for recon the only keystone that would do anything is focus target

but even that's not super worth

[willow prairie]

rashad is fun but isn't competitive in havoc unfortunately

[calm shard]

why wouldn't it be?

vet has damage now

[willow prairie]

density

[faint beacon]

You know what Is competitive in Havoc vs it

[calm shard]

rashad eats hordes tho

[willow prairie]

yeah in auric

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-man-you-know-who-else-my-mom-regular-show-funny-gif-9101122073397073314

[mortal aspen]

I still don't know tbh. Some people say it depletes to 0, others say it has a really big damage multiplier

[calm shard]

why wouldn't it in havoc too

[azure narwhal]

I've never felt it lacking ngl

[willow prairie]

density

[calm shard]

it uses brutal momentum to clear

you don't suddenly stop killing 4 enemies every swing just because it's havoc

[faint beacon]

Honestly with the buffs vet received talent wise

Unsure if it’s hitting bruiser BPs now

Or if it isn’t

[willow prairie]

4 enemies at a time is not enough for havoc lol

[calm shard]

vet tree has damage now so you can still get BM breakpoints in havoc I think

[willow prairie]

I never said damage was the problem

[faint beacon]

Thing is idk if I want to subject myself to that and basically fuck myself over

Or stick to the Havoc Sidegrade

Aka Power Falchion

[calm shard]

some of the best single target damage of any melee

[faint beacon]

Cause that thing is basically a Rashad side grade

[keen sleet]

All good, thanks for the info, just putting together a video asking why it happens alongside some other problems plasma gunners have

[faint beacon]

I think I might know why it’s probably something to do with Iron Will

Veteran has arguably one of the tankiest talents in game but it’s uptime borders on situations

Ontop of Golden and now even Close Order Drill

I could see how an Arby gets stripped

But veteran when they drop toughness basically becomes psyker

[calm shard]

hey that's unfair to psyker

they have Just A Dream now :)

[mortal aspen]

vet with all the toughness gen talents gets that toughness back in 1s

xdd

[willow prairie]

psyker had mettle

they never really have toughness issue lmao

[mortal aspen]

wait what the fuck is this talent

i'm just looking at the psyker tree

[calm shard]

warp goat

[mortal aspen]

this is so bonkers

[tropic notch]

I’ve noticed that

[willow prairie]

now souldrinker is easier to get

[unreal nova]

Psyker is tankier then... Lul.

[tropic notch]

Yeah psyker is tankier than vet atm

[mortal aspen]

they really just gave psyker so much free DR

holy shit

[tropic notch]

Just a dream is ridiculous

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Melee psyker is so funny

[fresh spire]

Melee psyker is goated in this event and Mortis trials

[faint beacon]

I’m so used to psyker being actually moderately squishy that I forget

This fucking update they were given DR

Raw DR

You know who’s the only class who doesnt?

Veteran

[mortal aspen]

well, vet has TDR and probably the easiest brains off toughness generation

but 10% + 25% damage resistance on psyker is crazy

[faint beacon]

It’s ludicrous

[faint beacon]

Also counter argument

Plasma Gunners

[mortal aspen]

[faint beacon]

The penultimate hardest counter to Vet cause it denies them getting the toughness they need to be tanky

[frank basin]

if you can't tank it, just block it

[tall torrent]

do u run exe stance team highlight with smoke

[hollow ibex]

lol it's so fucking stupidly braindead now

[calm shard]

you'll catch me dead before picking that team highlight node

[hollow ibex]

i literally have to gimp myself by taking EP instead of DD for a remotely fair gunker game for my teammates

and taxe mk4

[grand perch]

i do. a lot in havoc now

ive been waiting for that combo to be truly viable

[faint beacon]

Occasionally

It’s like extremely viable solely cause of plasma

That’s it lmao

[grand perch]

i consider it above that

safe zone + knowledge for everyone can be a huge boon

[faint beacon]

I haven’t even bothered with MMF yet in Havoc

But I do want to see if Rachud is hitting bruiser BPs In havoc now

[tall torrent]

needs a lot of buffs up

[faint beacon]

If that’s so I’ll probably stick too PF cause that thing was overall reliable through the runs I used it in

[tall torrent]

or not, if u have unarmored perk

which u should

[faint beacon]

Oh?

[tall torrent]

because getting that breakpoint without unarmored is CBT

[faint beacon]

I was about to say I always run Unarmored with Rachud

Second is usually Cara

[tall torrent]

and tbh

I can't decide between falchion 2b and rashad

they're similar ish function

[gilded rock]

the doggy likes chain axe

[formal hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/puppies-dessert-gif-12802422

[plucky linden]

is it me or power machete feels very meh?

[sharp epoch]

its badly designed

[faint beacon]

I’ve used 2b in more high stress scenarios and it performs very well in havoc

I can’t say for Rashad

[tall torrent]

I don't like wrath tho

[faint beacon]

I can really only classify them as side grades to each other

[tall torrent]

yea they're really close in terms of dps metrics

[faint beacon]

One has easier clear but struggles more with carapace waves (2b)

[tall torrent]

put rending strikes on it

[faint beacon]

And the other is the polar opposite technically

[tall torrent]

trust me

[faint beacon]

Basically Rashad does way better against carapace vs PF

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/12963795018703085835/480F6BE8B086C71A8739385F3B300F41CF434777/

[faint beacon]

But PF does way better in horde

I think they’re side grades and that’s perfectly acceptable to me

[olive halo]

bros I just tried out both power falchion and helbore lasgun, and I gotta say Im disappointed

falchion was ok, not bad but not great either

[faint beacon]

Yeah it’s actually balanced

[olive halo]

helbore was terrible though, y'all use it for real?

[faint beacon]

Veteran has this weird state of either it’s too good or too dogshit

[faint beacon]

And that’s with RS + FT?

Color me surprised

[austere mica]

Didn't you tell me to take rending off of cutlass 2b

[tall torrent]

rending actually matters on it

[tall torrent]

did I? forgor

[faint beacon]

Unusual

[tall torrent]

I checked source code

[pseudo fiber]

Wring kne

[tall torrent]

and saw 0.7 ADM vs carapace

so yea rending

[pseudo fiber]

This one

[faint beacon]

Sounds like something you’d say mainly cause of powered state

Which I mean fair point

I don’t see at a glance why you’d want RS on a power weapon

[tall torrent]

it's a bit weird that a power-sword-esque weapon wants rending

but watever

[austere mica]

No 25 toughness for me I guess

[tall torrent]

also

[faint beacon]

But clearly it fucking matters

Lmao

[tall torrent]

I checked stagger stats for falchion

[faint beacon]

Run 2 toughness

That’s my cope I have to do lmao

[austere mica]

It'll probably be fine though, being able to take all toughness talents on vet is fucking hilarious

[tall torrent]

wrath lowkey doesn't matter that much for mixed horde because u can't stagger a lot of ragers anyway

it has like 6 diff target profiles

with big falloff

[austere mica]

Getting my entire bar cleared and refreshed within 2 seconds just by being in melee

[faint beacon]

Normal horde?

Wrath at all matter?

[tall torrent]

any mixed horde

[faint beacon]

Cause if not then

[tall torrent]

well

[faint beacon]

I can’t believe I’m saying this but

[tall torrent]

if u consider doing small dmg better then yea

[faint beacon]

Decap Cranial?

[tall torrent]

but the stagger falloff from cleave is ass

[faint beacon]

Is that really the play

[tall torrent]

u go from 16.5 to 4.5

[austere mica]

Oh yeah does it hardstop on cara with full stacked wrath while empowered

[tall torrent]

within 6 targets

[tall torrent]

ofc

[tall torrent]

decap is ass

heatsink/leakage imo

[faint beacon]

Heatsink

Ah

[tall torrent]

it's a little better on it than relic blade

[faint beacon]

I’ll test that In Auric

[austere mica]

It almost feels like it doesn't but I've been doing mauler bodyshots anyway

[faint beacon]

That and Vet juices crits

Really easily

[tall torrent]

also with heatsink u unironically want it to overheat

same goes for overload

they cool down faster from max to 0 when overheat lockout

[austere mica]

Is overload's explosion still like 26 damage

[tall torrent]

yea

[faint beacon]

But anyways

Heatsink/leakage + Cranial

[tall torrent]

heatsink is ~23% faster cooldown from lockout to 0

[faint beacon]

Is the play for 2b supposedly?

[tall torrent]

and helps to extend activated duration much longer in conjunction with cranial

leakage is just more dmg but it's not that much more

[tall torrent]

yea, try

[faint beacon]

I’ll make a 2b and try it out when I’m off work

Cause I’ll keep my wrath cranial one for Havoc

[austere mica]

What's the actual mk difference on cutlass

I've been using 2b because it looks better

[calm shard]

IIb has a funky mode moveset and better damage

[tall torrent]

I like mk2b significantly more than mk1

mk1's H3 sweep dmg is just too low

[faint beacon]

It’s PA staggers ragers also

[tall torrent]

stagger bug:

[faint beacon]

But I’m on the ropes about it cause of the fucked up stagger profiles

Yeah

I was typing that

Lmao

[mortal aspen]

just to confirm, rashad is good for h40?

it did fine for me in h30

but then it wasn't yellow horde or anything

[faint beacon]

If you hit 35 and it’s still chopping through hordes then yes

[tall torrent]

playable
not as much dps as power sword but has better single target stagger & dodges

[faint beacon]

Cause that’s max difficulty spike in havoc

[mortal aspen]

if it stops chopping, I'll slap unarmored on it ig

[tall torrent]

u should do it rn

unarmored is a big breakpoint save

[shrewd pilot]

should i take trench fighter drill if im using the mk6 psword with weapon specialist? or is it not really needed

[faint beacon]

Always do Unarmored

Unarmored + whatever

[calm shard]

not as much dps as power sword

so it's a weapon in darktide

got it

[faint beacon]

But preferably carapace

[mortal aspen]

[unborn perch]

How much cleave is gained from Sunder on the power sword?

Excluding the 20% strength

[tall torrent]

u go from 10.9 to 43.6 (assuming optimal roll which has 60% cleave targets) for all energized attacks

[unborn perch]

And how does that compare to 2 stacks of thrust or +40% strength. I suppose it can’t match that cleave?

[silver patrol]

is the powered on falchion actually good

[tall torrent]

10.9 x1.4 = 15.26

[silver patrol]

because even powered on it felt like beating poor hobos walking the street of the hive with a fish

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/12963795018703085835/480F6BE8B086C71A8739385F3B300F41CF434777/

[silver patrol]

what about crowd

does it do well in crowds

[tall torrent]

it's alr

[silver patrol]

good, i'll stay with the DS then

[half temple]

whats the build mammas cus it also feels like beating mfs w a fish rn

[half temple]

u got cranial and energy leakage on?

[tall torrent]

yea

[faint beacon]

I forget

[half temple]

kk ill have to mess w those

[faint beacon]

PF like Taxe

[half temple]

appreciate u fr

[faint beacon]

Can actually get away with not using TFD

[tall torrent]

it's not a tremendous increase

[faint beacon]

I tend to do PA as my horde opening anyways

PA -> H1 + L2

[pseudo fiber]

Path becoming a mk2b truther

[hybrid plover]

i have started to gather that you rlly dont need tac awareness with exe stance

[silver patrol]

it's hilarious how every build i've seen (including one i just made up on the spot) generally looks like this now

[tall torrent]

well there're variations but ya

[silver patrol]

the more things change, the more they remain the same i suppose

[narrow frost]

It's because of the overturned talents right side

[tropic halo]

https://youtube.com/shorts/myJbnyI_WIQ?si=sIgjLXG9_to5ygV2 the forbidden one has been mentioned, no longer watch any content smh

[unreal nova]

@tall torrent How would you rate this? XD

[tall torrent]

wat this for

[unreal nova]

An updated ver of my dumb knoife melee 'nadier.

[candid agate]

voice of command, stinky

[fair shale]

I love that if you frequent the HD2, GTFO, and DT discords you start seeing the same people

[unreal nova]

With Bistol because BOOMS!

[tall torrent]

consider overhaul

[unreal nova]

OG Bistol. The new one is bleah.

[tall torrent]

new one is ok on zealot

[unreal nova]

By that, you mean changing it?

[silver patrol]

i think it depends if you bring throwing knives

[tall torrent]

yea

[tall torrent]

even with throwing knives it's ok

[silver patrol]

btw, what upgrade talents for executioner stance

[tall torrent]

because it's a fast draw gun that aoe stagger bulwark

that concept on zealot is already good utility

[tall torrent]

ogryn highlight

[unreal nova]

Any specific nodes that are questionable?

[silver patrol]

right

[tall torrent]

yea
tac reload
field improv / serrated (take 1)
born leader
lack of always prepared for boltpistol
lack of precision strikes

[frank basin]

I use voice of command on third loadout.... without duty and honor

[unreal nova]

I want both Field Improv and Serrated.

[silver patrol]

i thought duty and honor was the only reason for voice of command

[unreal nova]

I have a Mercykiller knoife Path, have you forgotten? And i refuse to drop Field improv.

[frank basin]

then can you run without duty and honor?

[silver patrol]

what do you mean

[frank basin]

no gold toughness

pure blue toughtness regen

[silver patrol]

yeah i don't think that's good enough

but maybe that's just me

[frank basin]

everyone love gold toughness like lifefloat save them

[tall torrent]

drop dmg talents elsewhere then

lol

[silver patrol]

well yeah for a reason

like

i'd pick infiltrate at that point

[frank basin]

I have to learn without lifefloat

and swim in middle of ocean

[silver patrol]

ok but you could also have an ability at the same time

[frank basin]

a what now?

[charred salmon]

Is veteran just a better zealot

[unreal nova]

WDYM? Also. Tactical reload vs One Motion. The knoife and Bistol switch is already fast enough?

[frank basin]

vet tree got better in dps

zeal better in survivability and burst dmg

but still king of crit dps

[silver patrol]

this good enough for exe stance?

[charred salmon]

What is zealot for? Like zealot ability only gives 50% toughness instead of 100% or more

[frank basin]

there's more

[hybrid plover]

skirmisher

[silver patrol]

this is DS and plasma

i got a free point but not sure where to put it

[hybrid plover]

i would take off the 25% ammo node

oh

skirmisher

[charred salmon]

The abilities all seem kinda meh on zealot so I'm like why shouldn't I just go back to veteran

[hybrid plover]

skirmisher is near op now

[silver patrol]

oh

[tall torrent]

get longshot for boltpistol tbh
and yea if u want to keep field improv + serrated (bad idea) u should drop more impactful dmg talents elsewhere

[silver patrol]

reading it again

that's really stupid

[frank basin]

martyrdom purpose reworked

[hybrid plover]

25% damage for playing the game

literally

[frank basin]

people want try it out a lot

[silver patrol]

imagine if it activated on dodging too

[unreal nova]

Was it buffed?

[silver patrol]

but yeah great suggestion, thanks

[hybrid plover]

it activates on dodge slides

[silver patrol]

yeah longshot now always gives at least 10% damage

[hybrid plover]

so there a compromise

[tall torrent]

longshot? yea

[unreal nova]

I just went with O4B for comfort pick since I melee way more.

[silver patrol]

yeah but in the thick of it, they aren't exactly pratical imo

also double dodge cost, for what matters on DS

[hybrid plover]

this psyker concerns me

[frank basin]

if that psyker is seer

[narrow frost]

I couldn't find much use for it outside the aoe stagger

It still 2 shots most enemies

Probably 1 with buffs

[tall torrent]

it literally exists just for the stagger

it's like autopistol but more stagger + more range

[narrow frost]

I wonder if it was built with new havoc in mind

This season barely has any stagger resist

So things like taunt/trauma/smite/etc are being even more

Maybe they wanted vet to keep up with stagger

[tall torrent]

stagger is bugged rn

[narrow frost]

Meant in the conditions

I do know about the stagger bug rn

[tall torrent]

stim does

[narrow frost]

Still only 1/4 of the mods

And doesnt only 2 stims increase stagger res?

[tall torrent]

yea

well, before this, only red affected stagger too

[hollow ibex]

stagger on the new bolter is kinda nice

but boy are tradeoffs dogwater

[frank basin]

it is for single target armor killer? no.

it is for weakling unhealthy small size? yes

[signal laurel]

Anyone got a build to run for the new bolter? Should I do it with ex stance?

[frank basin]

would you like my demolition build?

[leaden condor]

What's the difference between devils claw mk 1 and mk 7? They seem very similar

[hollow ibex]

i mean single target killign is the entire point

because the AOE damage rounds down to 0

[frank basin]

yeah

the mk3 is grenade launcher instead

[signal laurel]

Let’s see if

It*

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/verify-security-peter-griffin-family-guy-gif-8760520364152448589

booting the darktide

[signal laurel]

Like with full stacks of marksman focus the mk3 bolter can 1 shot a reaper on a crit headshot in ex stance

I’m just curious if there’s a build I’m missing. I was thinking of trying weapon specialist with the new bolter, that with ex stance and kraks

[frank basin]

oh,.. my version is voice of command without gold toughness and purely explosive build with blitz shredder 3 node, keystoneless

[signal laurel]

I’ll still check it out and try it out

I just wanna make a build for it because it’s so fun to use

[tropic halo]

I find the bolter mark to be good more as sidearm for cc tool and occasional snipe gunners and specials

[signal laurel]

That’s what I was thinking, was just seeing if there’s some missing tech I’m not aware of for being an AOE weapon for vet

[frank basin]

@signal laurel 1 free point, gold if you want, i don't use gold and put on stam delay regen

[hybrid plover]

it works wonders with smoke grenades tbh

[frank basin]

oh and aura if you want surivalist or fire team, your choice

[hybrid plover]

makes up for the loss of cc from frags

[signal laurel]

Thank you man I’m gonna try it now

[candid agate]

would be cool if smokes got another buff

they dont really compare to frags and kraks still, especially with all the toughness regen an executioner stance build can get

so they feel kinda worthless even on a ranged build

[frank basin]

my experience using them most of time is chaff dealer, i love seeing chaff enemies explode when i shot on ground, especially in pack

[bitter turtle]

its funny you say that

[tropic halo]

Outside of havoc, smokes are okay

[bitter turtle]

bc a lot of people use them

[hybrid plover]

man you have not been playing this game the past few days

[bitter turtle]

to deal with plasma

gunners

esp in havoc

[tropic halo]

Absolute peak

[hybrid plover]

smokes are easily top tier because of those fuckers