it was funny as fuck
#veteran-class
tall torrent
it was top tier in havoc lol
calm shard
worth taking for shredders
faint beacon
top tier in havoc for Grenadier Vet
calm shard
takes 2 shredders to outright kill a horde
20% chance to save a grenade to do so
very good
faint beacon
Aka Bolt Pistol with Lethal Prox
supple laurel
worth taking for shredders
you have 3 grenades. a 1 in 5/20%? no thats horrible
hybrid plover
twinned blast can put in work in high density gameplay
faint beacon
other than that dont take it
tall torrent
twinned blast in havoc is 200 grenade per game
tall torrent
you have 3 grenades. a 1 in 5/20%? no thats horrible
no 36% chance to proc at least once (which is +65% bleed dmg) whenever u actually need to kill horde with frag
faint beacon
you have 3 grenades. a 1 in 5/20%? no thats horrible
Keep in mind its with Demo Team
killing elites
giving you those frags back
fiery raft
Aka Bolt Pistol with Lethal Prox
does that still work
faint beacon
yes
hybrid plover
does that still work
ye
faint beacon
it works on Overload for Relic Blade, Crusher Special, Psyker Overload/Crystaline Will
fiery raft
and i wanna get back to havoc, last time i played i stopped at 31
hybrid plover
it works on Overload for Relic Blade, Crusher Special, Psyker Overload/Crystalin...
wait
i'm sorry
faint beacon
and Veteran Explosives
hybrid plover
it works on crystalline will???
tall torrent
it works on crystalline will???
yea and crystaline will is dogshit
post-buff still dogshit
faint beacon
Pox Burster build
tall torrent
does ~970 dmg vs flak
faint beacon
its funny but not worth it
supple laurel
what about born leader?
i dont personally take it
its good but its not like S tier
hybrid plover
I like born leader a lot
supple laurel
rarely take it now
its like a "if you got a free point its a good choice" node
faint beacon
Which doesn't come up often tbh
stable socket
demo team is crazy in high density
supple laurel
cause its competing with Demo team
whats your thoughts on leave no one behind node
faint beacon
you just have way too many GOOD talents in the lower sections of Vet
tall torrent
whats your thoughts on leave no one behind node
not worth
when demo team is in same row
hybrid plover
whats your thoughts on leave no one behind node
niche at best
calm shard
its good but its not like S tier
it damn well is S tier on current exe vet
faint beacon
whats your thoughts on leave no one behind node
Not worth it/extremely situational
with a shit team in auric
understandable
fiery raft
it damn well is S tier on current exe vet
what's exe vet?
hybrid plover
what's exe vet?
executioner's stance
tall torrent
its like a "if you got a free point its a good choice" node
vet has like 0 builds with free points rn lol
faint beacon
but thats actively going in with the mindset of "My team fucking sucks"
which you shouldn't
supple laurel
with a shit team in auric
i run like 2 12% revive speed on my curious and 20% would be enough to shout and then immediately get back up in time
hybrid plover
executioner's stance has constant toughness regen
fiery raft
i used to do a marksman bolter build
supple laurel
you need atleast 20% (2 curios or the node) to shout and get someone up in time reliably
hybrid plover
and even if you're maxed out, born leader will still be helping your team regen toughness
faint beacon
You could also learn the tech of slide reviving
tall torrent
and is it good with the bolter?
yes
top tier
frank basin
i used to do a marksman bolter build
marksman focus no longer remove stack from sprint and sliding instead just passive decaying
tall torrent
@fiery raft
fiery raft
marksman focus no longer remove stack from sprint and sliding instead just passi...
hell yeah
supple laurel
You could also learn the tech of slide reviving
wth is that
hybrid plover
also, 50% coherency radius is pretty good
stable socket
wait, i'm pretty sure shout just forces knockdown/stagger on everything so if you hit revive right afterwards you'll always get the rez - is that no longer true?
faint beacon
wth is that
Sliding into someone whilst interacting gives you a few inches of distance
whilst reviving or rescuing them
its a lot safer
calm shard
and even if you're maxed out, born leader will still be helping your team regen ...
especially if you kill a gunner blob with it and Confirmed Kill
supple laurel
im too lazy to learn that lowk
tall torrent
and even if you're maxed out, born leader will still be helping your team regen ...
vet builds almost never get free points for that unfortunately
faint beacon
its pretty simple
supple laurel
Shout with stock VOC or Duty and Honor
i use that too obviously but instead of taking only in death does duty end i just have a couple revive speed on my curious and if someone DOES go down i can shout to get them up
fiery raft
i figure yes
supple laurel
seen worse it can work
hasty pasture
What blessings for falchion and what mark?
fiery raft
what would be better?
stable socket
i've never seen a vet with shout up get staggered out of rez unless it was mutant/boss outside the radius
faint beacon
Ability regen to Gunner res if you dont have any
tall torrent
works
thick needle
I tried Executioner Boltgun but it was kinda meh overall
One hilarious problem was that enemies would get thrown to the ground too often to make repeated headshots
supple laurel
what i run personally
stable socket
even without rez speed, but maybe i haven't been paying attention
tall torrent
tho idk abt CDR on curio rn
fiery raft
Ability regen to Gunner res if you dont have any
ye i got some
tall torrent
what i run personally
do 1 health curio on vet tbh
hybrid plover
because vet actually benefits from health curios
hybrid plover
dont get PB'd
THAT IS A BOLD THING TO SAY
stable socket
i think outside havoc bursters don't onetap you, right?
tall torrent
i think outside havoc bursters don't onetap you, right?
no
supple laurel
THAT IS A BOLD THING TO SAY
did you just exit malice or something
stable socket
so you can get away with no health on curios?
faint beacon
dont get PB'd
This is incredibly bold with how many times I've been by my own teammates
hybrid plover
did you just exit malice or something
homie i have true survivor
tall torrent
vet gets a lot out of health curio specifically in havoc
frank basin
people still concern about silent burster
stable socket
wait, they still onetap you in auric??
faint beacon
its not even getting burstered by my own decisions
supple laurel
i think outside havoc bursters don't onetap you, right?
they onetap you at point blank PB but otherwise sometimes they wont even hit all your toughness down
calm shard
poxburster aggro is actually directly determined by how stupid the player nearest you is
hybrid plover
do you know how often a poxburster will just sneak up on you, completely silently
faint beacon
its literally just my teammates being idiots
hybrid plover
or a teammate blows one up right next to you?
tall torrent
they onetap you at point blank PB but otherwise sometimes they wont even hit all...
no they will they do 1000 toughness dmg
tall torrent
u need to stop this psychosis rn
faint beacon
happens too much
tall torrent
or barrel urself
supple laurel
no they will they do 1000 toughness dmg
ive literally survived with toughness remaining
frank basin
ive literally survived with toughness remaining
do you have iron will on it?
narrow frost
but wee woo vet.....
supple laurel
do you have iron will on it?
yes
stable socket
every time i get hit by a burster i lose all toughness, even if i have gold
tall torrent
ive literally survived with toughness remaining
it's extremely difficult to do without gold toughness
supple laurel
but wee woo vet.....
ngl in those RARE situations it clutches it is VERY sastifying
faint beacon
I've only seen Death does Duty value in Havoc
supple laurel
it's extremely difficult to do without gold toughness
which means its possible which means ive done it which means im just him
faint beacon
thats literally it
fiery raft
supple laurel
hybrid plover
only arbitrator is capable of actually tanking a poxburster
tall torrent
which means its possible which means ive done it which means im just him
in havoc? no
hasty pasture
hybrid plover
without golden
fiery raft
these are good blessings on vraks right?
supple laurel
PBs arent enough of an issue for me to consider taking health curios over toughness
tall torrent
completely impossible
tall torrent
double toughness on vet I'd consider if no stam curio tbh
stable socket
i feel like you can get away with anything in aurics as long as your movement is solid
supple laurel
swap out maniac for unyielding
tall torrent
1 health is non-negotiable
faint beacon
fiery raft
swap out maniac for unyielding
i use my comb knife for unyielders
hasty pasture
supple laurel
https://fximgur.com/a/CZ1F1Qo
that happened to me once i didnt die from it lmao
hybrid plover
HATE
faint beacon
Burster jumpscare
tall torrent
unyielding + crit chance
frank basin
I HATE THAT DOOR
silent burst suprise butt sex
supple laurel
unyielding + crit chance
not crit chance tf
fiery raft
unyielding + crit chance
why crit chance?
tall torrent
not crit chance tf
??????????????????????????????
supple laurel
??????????????????????????????
flak unyielding ?????????????????????????????????
austere mica
why crit chance?
Vraks crit chains are very good
hybrid plover
vraks has crazy finesse multi
faint beacon
tall torrent
flak unyielding ?????????????????????????????????
flak not worth on this gun for vet
on psyker yes flak because psyker op
supple laurel
Vraks crit chains are very good
yeah im still taking flak
calm shard
not crit chance tf
vraks has one of the highest crit modifiers in the entire game
tall torrent
on vet & zealot it's crit chance
faint beacon
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/l198ISw2gg_lCa4KS?invite=c...
Bumbler Genocide
we need a bumbler genocide
fiery raft
Vraks crit chains are very good
oh yeah i forgot about crit chains
supple laurel
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/l198ISw2gg_lCa4KS?invite=c...
thats when you jump off the fucking ledge behind you
austere mica
Reminded that I am partly to blame for the inception of Bumbler (the name)
faint beacon
thats when you jump off the fucking ledge behind you
see the thing was I was trusting they wouldn't shoot it
issue
its a Rumbler Ogryn
they lack brain capacity
hybrid plover
WE LOVE RUMBLER OGRYNS
supple laurel
LMAO
hybrid plover
WWOOOOOOOOOO
hybrid plover
i legit take off survivalist when i see a rumbler ogryn in auric
faint beacon
but proves further you can never trust your teammates
faint beacon
i legit take off survivalist when i see a rumbler ogryn in auric
Holy shit
hybrid plover
I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THEIR ANTICS
faint beacon
I always run Surv solely for more uptime on my Vigils
faint beacon
Auric
hybrid plover
especially if it's a poxburster modifier
faint beacon
i want to play the game also
so I will actively handicap myself
to fuck you more
🖕
hybrid plover
literally my mantra on this matter
austere mica
I'd just leave at that point
fiery raft
how do crits really work with the vraks?
faint beacon
crit string
faint beacon
you crit and its 2-3 bullets that are considered a crit
faint beacon
then its no longer a crit
fiery raft
thanks, i didnt know that
hybrid plover
s'why it's actually good to go crit chance with autoguns
faint beacon
and recons
hybrid plover
it actually does result in a decent amount more dps
faint beacon
those are the 2 you want to run Crit chance on
Recons and Autoguns (not Vigilants)
crit string
calm shard
it actually does result in a decent amount more dps
the so called "decent amount" in question https://fximgur.com/a/gi2bETj
supple laurel
yeah yall got me so lost on the increase crit chance for vraks autogun
faint beacon
yeah yall got me so lost on the increase crit chance for vraks autogun
Crit string uptime basically
crit more
ez pz
fiery raft
it actually does result in a decent amount more dps
even better than a whole 25% more on maniacs?
supple laurel
Crit string uptime basically
wth is that
hybrid plover
yeah yall got me so lost on the increase crit chance for vraks autogun
hitting a crit does not mean one bullet
but 3
faint beacon
you crit and its 2-3 bullets that are considered a crit
^ @supple laurel
hybrid plover
that's why crit chance is good on vraks
tall torrent
how do crits really work with the vraks?
whenever u crit
the next 2 shots are also crit (for this gun)
because vet and zealot are not as op as psyker and have far lower crit chance
+5% crit chance translates to quite a bit better crit rate overall
the other dmg related perks don't change this gun's TTK too much vs most enemies because it's already an extremely high dps gun
on psyker because it's op and can self generate infinite crit, flak is taken as a generalist pick vs most elites (since psyker players cannot aim and will bodyshot a lot)
austere mica
Twink also has crit chains
hybrid plover
reason why psyker specifically doesn't care is because they can just beef up their crit chance with scrier's and do crazy numbers anyway
fiery raft
the so called "decent amount" in question https://fximgur.com/a/gi2bETj
ight nvm youve proven it
hybrid plover
but for zealot and vet, they want that crit chance
fiery raft
whenever u crit
the next 2 shots are also crit (for this gun)
because vet and ze...
i see
faint beacon
Twink also has crit chains
I'd assume so seeing its Ogryn's "Spray in general area" gun
fiery raft
thanks, i apologize for asking so many questions i just want to clarify in case anyone ever wonders
faint beacon
Like recon and autos
calm shard
Twink also has crit chains
fuckin' long ones too
fiery raft
since i have a few friends who main veteran
hybrid plover
shout out to all the vet mains before this rework btw
faint beacon
I've been staring at the mission board for the past
30 mins
Vet or Zealot for tonight
hybrid plover
we finally got a W even if it isn't a fully fleshed one
tall torrent
Vet or Zealot for tonight
do unfaltering IJ relic blade
tall torrent
we finally got a W even if it isn't a fully fleshed one
no Ws can be taken as long as psyker is giga op
hybrid plover
unfaltering relic is goofy
hybrid plover
unfaltering crusher is also goofy
faint beacon
(everything dies)
calm shard
no Ws can be taken as long as psyker is giga op
nah clearly gun psyker needs another round of buffs
hybrid plover
nah clearly gun psyker needs another round of buffs
stop that.
supple laurel
omg they nerfed the fucking DS lmao
faint beacon
5 billion buffs to Scriers Gaze
faint beacon
omg they nerfed the fucking DS lmao
Yesn't
austere mica
Gaze gets golden toughness next update
tall torrent
omg they nerfed the fucking DS lmao
(they buffed it)
tall torrent
Devils Claw is basically useless now
has been for a long time
faint beacon
Its special being reworked
supple laurel
oh
hybrid plover
it got the parry
faint beacon
it exists
hybrid plover
you can parry even overheads if timed correctly
tall torrent
can you parry anything
everything
supple laurel
im doing
tropic notch
miss input on push
tall torrent
yes
supple laurel
what the fuck 🥀
faint beacon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1421719384367435858/W...
Yummy yummy taxe.....
tall torrent
I told u they buffed it
supple laurel
can you parry bosses
tall torrent
yea
hybrid plover
can you parry bosses
yes
tall torrent
u can parry unblockable atks
faint beacon
teehee
tall torrent
op
faint beacon
its a buff!
tropic notch
Yummy yummy taxe.....
dude i feel unkillable as melee psyker
hybrid plover
you can be quite literally invulnerable against bosses
hybrid plover
except burgle
supple laurel
meta even more of a meta
tall torrent
dude i feel unkillable as melee psyker
top 1 class be like
tall torrent
they made 1 melee better than DS (arb maul) then immediately buffed DS the very next match
what do they mean by this
supple laurel
I would generally just avoid it
use the ds
dont main it
thats how you avoid bad habits
all in moderation
faint beacon
they made 1 melee better than DS (arb maul) then immediately buffed DS the very ...
If everyone is super
supple laurel
faint beacon
then no one is
faint beacon
narrow frost
<@665740726474375168> Send the parry to win Rinda clip
faint beacon
no one can..
supple laurel
i know its satire
hybrid plover
this is just a clear sign
faint beacon
That
hybrid plover
that they need to nerf the devil's claw.
supple laurel
https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G0IdbTIa4AAqU4h.gif
did this occur in the UK
faint beacon
Idfk
hybrid plover
we wouldn't be in this mess if that damn thing didn't have this parry
tropic notch
@faint beacon after i duo do you wanna play havoc?
faint beacon
I would rather die
especially at the current time
(i dont like plasma gunner spam in havoc)
faint beacon
They spawn in packs of 6-8 in havoc 30+
tall torrent
they destroy golden toughness like it doesnt exist
that part is good
faint beacon
teehee
faint beacon
they also 2 tap you in havoc
tall torrent
vet drops mixed horde or carapace dps for it
faint beacon
their hard counter rn is smoke/shield
everyone is playing nothing but those right now in Havoc
cause of how insanely oppressive current Plasma Gunners are
its a good concept enemy I like it
but holy shit
tall torrent
I think having either on the team is enough
u don't have to have both
and psyker CDR is more op
faint beacon
Alr Unfalt IJ RB
tall torrent
gale taking ogryn's heavy atk remove move speed penalty node after 1 game of unfaltering relic
narrow frost
What progress did you guys get on the run today btw
blue stim rager with purple captain and bulwarks
for today.
faint beacon
blue stim rager with purple captain and bulwarks
Terraria...
tame lodge
they destroy golden toughness like it doesnt exist
Just don't trust in gold toughness
Psyker can tank 3 hits from them
Actually 2
That third one was just flamer going boom
Woops
faint beacon
got hellston
swag
analog pebble
paper salmon
on Recon Lasgun build. Tac Axe, Combat Axe, or Shock Maul?
I don't want to use D.Sword, Knife, or any power wepaons for thematic reasons
hollow ibex
any of those work
tall torrent
feels like im actually using a Massive Sword
btw
I think the new boltpistol
actually alr on zealot
cuz zealot was never pushing 1 taps with boltpistol anyway
and lethal prox on the new boltpistol is hilarious stagger radius
it can open bulwark too with max collateral
tropic notch
stam is nice with rager spam
and tac axe love pa
i could get better at managing my stam
floral creek
Big Dom dropping the new grenade veteran tomorrow
tepid otter
Any Blessings for the Shock Maul
shadow fable
what perks would be best on the Bistol for grenade vet?
tropic notch
what perks would be best on the Bistol for grenade vet?
lethal prox puncture , flak mainaic
tame lodge
Any Blessings for the Shock Maul
Skullcrusher + Falter/Hammerblow
shadow fable
Any Blessings for the Shock Maul
Skullcrusher and high voltage are nice. Gives good base damage and makes the special attack boost you and your teams damage by a lot to bosses and especially captains
rips the shield right off them
shadow fable
lethal prox puncture , flak mainaic
no elite? I swear it used to be elite
viscid salmon
ok so hellbore is stupid fun
floral creek
Skullcrusher + Falter/Hammerblow
Yeah this or uhhh, just Skullcrusher + High Voltage
Shock maul appreciation
signal laurel
Anyone have a build for executioners stance? Trying to make a build to increase the power of the MK3 bolter. Just haven’t found a way to make it excel yet
tropic notch
no elite? I swear it used to be elite
You can drop flak for that I believe
shadow fable
ok so hellbore is stupid fun
Used to be way more fun at one point
then they nerfed it into the ground
the light version used to 3 tap crushers
hollow ibex
How long ago was that🤔
I think they still could before crushers got buffed
Helbore is really strong right now
ember nest
The peak about this game's discourse is
Prepatch:
Fuck, crushers are too weak
Postpatch:
Fuck, there's so few weapons to counter crushers
viscid salmon
Used to be way more fun at one point
i mean, its still fun
plus im double tapping crushers into head
ive switched off of the weight of fire into armourbane+surgical
by the time i charge it up its up to 50% crit from surgical
tho im considering instead of shredders taking smokes to stop annoying ass plasma fuckers
floral creek
Dump stat for Bistol?
tepid otter
Mobility prolly
floral creek
Oke 
thin stone
I have a question, should you always pick maximum height for your operatives?
narrow frost
Dump stat for Bistol?
Collateral
thin stone
Is there any actual advantage to doing that?
floral creek
I tend to make mine small to mid-slider at best
Just because I'm an actual tiny guy
floral creek
The only character I have that's way up in the slider is the Arbitrator
floral creek
Collateral
I have one maxed out that's at 60 collateral, but I feel I may be missing out on collateral
narrow frost
collateral is only stagger, and BP already staggers with 1 bullet and 2 on some targets (reapers iirc)
it wont change anything
floral creek
tame lodge
Is there any actual advantage to doing that?
Yes but also very specific
thin stone
And what's that?
floral creek
Also what blessings and perks should I run with the Plasma Falchion? I'm using the Aridin Mk I
viscid salmon
Is there any actual advantage to doing that?
youre not dwarfmaxxing
thin stone
what
floral creek
LMAO
tall torrent
Dump stat for Bistol?
mk4 collateral
mk6 mobility
viscid salmon
by taking biggest height
floral creek
mk4 collateral
mk6 mobility
YEAH I was thinking this one for the Mk VI
I'm getting a separate roll for the Mk VI
viscid salmon
whats a good secondary blessing on agripinaa combat shoty? i got fullbore but i dont want to run no respite
tame lodge
And what's that?
Zealot and Psyker homing/auto aiming ability
tame lodge
whats a good secondary blessing on agripinaa combat shoty? i got fullbore but i ...
No respite
thin stone
uh
narrow frost
whats a good secondary blessing on agripinaa combat shoty? i got fullbore but i ...
why not no respite?
viscid salmon
why not no respite?
idk, i just wannt try something else
i was thinking flechette but the current crit chance is 15%
narrow frost
man stopper scattershot is funny
viscid salmon
so thats kinda ass unless i wanna run deadshot
narrow frost
but at that point double barrel does it better
viscid salmon
yea but agripinaa has very tight choke so idk about scatter+manstopper
tame lodge
Full Bore Deathspitter
frigid shuttle
agrippana no bueno with scatter
viscid salmon
what was close range again? 8 or 12 meters
narrow frost
12.5
tame lodge
12.5
thin stone
How's this built for the veteran utilizing infantry lasgun + power sword/falchion?
tame lodge
tepid otter
Whats a solid shotgun choice for a Vet anyway, Ive never really tried the weap before
frigid shuttle
agrip or zarona
tame lodge
Agripina or Double Barrel
narrow frost
agri and double barrel
thin stone
How's this built for the veteran utilizing infantry lasgun + power sword/falchio...
any sensible feedback appreciated
narrow frost
top contender that do different things
viscid salmon
gonna try chainsword+agri shotgun exec stance
with kraks so i dont have to waste time on crushers
thin stone
anyone?
thin stone
what weapons are you using?
Infantry lasgun + power sword or falchion
viscid salmon
youre running shock trooper so im expecting some laser weapons
viscid salmon
honestly on the focus target i dont run the 6 stacks. 4 is honestly good enough
marksman is very nice now that you dont lose stacks on movement
oh
one thing you should change
born leader is good but not taking demo team is just dumb
thin stone
Ok got it
viscid salmon
grenades are powerful and the higher you go the more you get out of demo team since elites or specialists are nearly constant
tropic notch
How's this built for the veteran utilizing infantry lasgun + power sword/falchio...
its alright but could use some tweaking
thin stone
its alright but could use some tweaking
what tweaks would you do?
tropic notch
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build @thin stone this is the build i would run
thin stone
but I don't like shotgun
viscid salmon
honestly, if youre not using focus target, you can also just run no keystones
thin stone
honestly, if youre not using focus target, you can also just run no keystones
why not marksman focus?
What's the purpose of focus target v/s marksman focus?
tropic notch
but I don't like shotgun
thats fine you can use whatever you want falchion is moblity dump, carinal wrath, flak unyielding
viscid salmon
you can run MF, but if you dont run MF you can put points elsewhere
like for example buffing melee on the bottom right
tropic notch
but I don't like shotgun
keep your weapons the same look at what the tree
thin stone
hmm
tepid otter
Theres another rending buff on MF if you want that
thin stone
I see
tepid otter
Need stacks first tho but its neat imo
viscid salmon
I see
id run something like this, if id want MF id just move points from right there
tepid otter
Huh, no keystone?
split grove
nothing quite beats exe stance boltgun marksman focus i feel
viscid salmon
Huh, no keystone?
yea a lot of my loadouts dont have keystones to have extra talent points to shove into reciprocity and desperado
tepid otter
nothing quite beats exe stance boltgun marksman focus i feel
was just using this but with Focus target 
viscid salmon
depends what im doing
tepid otter
Always just had Weapon specialist cuz it seemed more comfotable, afterthe update tho Im trying out the other ones more openly
split grove
back in my day u would sometimes not take a keystone
tepid otter
time for another loadout huehuehue
huh, how come, i havent played for very long, always just thought it was mandatory to at least pick one of them
tepid otter
what about now
whats a must have for any build you think
am not seeing desperado anywhere or am just blind
wat does it do
viscid salmon
am not seeing desperado anywhere or am just blind
its 10% melee crit chance and 25% melee finesse bonus
twilit heath
what 2 blessings are the best for the helbore? im using surgical and armourbane rn
tame lodge
Surgical + weight of fire/falter/sustained fire
twilit heath
Surgical + weight of fire/falter/sustained fire
thx
dry cloak
on the slow one its surgical weight of fire
twilit heath
You sure?
tepid otter
I mean the faster charge seems nice on the mk 4
woeful junco
huh, how come, i havent played for very long, always just thought it was mandato...
The tree was too tall with too many filler nodes, you had to give up too many good blues to get any of the keystones for certain weapon setups
So you just... wouldn't grab em.
versed osprey
whats the best mk on the helbore?
woeful junco
This is the third or fourth rework for Vet lmfao but it's finally in a good spot
stable socket
if you have space to chain shots, mk4 helbore with surgical + weight of fire is the one i see most often
viscid salmon
i switched to surgical armourbane on the heavy one, feels pretty good to use
stable socket
cuz with weight of fire stacked up it charges almost instantly, and it has the highest damage of all the marks which means it's easier to hit 1 shot breakpoints on enemies you wanna kill
versed osprey
whats the best mk on the helbore?
anyone knows?
stable socket
there's a mod that inverts the helbore charge controls so it auto charges when you're aiming down sights and you hit fire to shoot, it makes the helbore a lot less strenuous/clunky
viscid salmon
^
ive put on a mod that also shows the current crit chance and what ive noticed is that with weight of fire on id have the gun charged when the surgical gives it only around 30% crit chance
so ive switched off of weight of fire for armourbane, tho i might change it for something else
stable socket
if you're looking for pure ammo efficiency then weight of fire is not it
but if you want the option to maximize killing power at the cost of some ammo expenditure then weight of fire is good, because you don't need crits to 1shs a lot of stuff (or if you're the kind of person who misses shots)
you just need full charge headshot and weight of fire lets you pull those off (and/or try again after you miss a shot) a lot faster... basically the more time pressure you're under, the better weight of fire becomes, and as difficulty increases you're almost always under more pressure than before
viscid salmon
honestly, armourbane+surgical is pretty neat for my tastes. Ive had good time using it last game
tho one thing i dont like about the mk4 is the bayonet slash
why couldnt it have been a stab
the slash is so slow comparatively
tame lodge
Because Mk4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game
Can't have everything good
So no stabby bayo
orchid trellis
anyone know whats the best weapons i should work towards for veteran
tepid otter
anyone know whats the best weapons i should work towards for veteran
prolly plasma and the power sword if you wanna get into the harder difficulties
i personally like the bolter so far
orchid trellis
prolly plasma and the power sword if you wanna get into the harder difficulties
ok nice im using power sword now i prob need to unlock plasma
viscid salmon
So no stabby bayo
sudden cedar
You can always stab them with your knife.
woeful junco
there's a mod that inverts the helbore charge controls so it auto charges when y...
This is one of the first mods that I've read about that really makes me wish I could mod my game
stable socket
valkyrie blitz ingress is the other one i really like (because of how frequently disconnects/crashes happen)
being able to rejoin a match the moment you're done loading instead of having to wait for the canned dialogue to finish is nice
tepid otter
there's a mod that inverts the helbore charge controls so it auto charges when y...
kinda wish it was in the base game
stable socket
it would be nice to have some qol stuff, yeah
being able to bind a dedicated button for heavy attack would also be nice, because having to click and hold is sometimes imprecise/strenuous especially on heavy spam builds - thrust/crunch builds where you want to "overcook" your heavy attack can't be helped though
viscid salmon
This is one of the first mods that I've read about that really makes me wish I c...
console?
analog yacht
love mods that reduce rsi stuff
slim pulsar
i seriously thought streaming games would have been more heavily pushed by the industry by now
floral creek
Is the Numeric UI ammo counter still silly?
tepid otter
i think most would still prefer to have a setup
tall torrent
ok I think falchion IIb is actually alr
prefer it over mk1 falchion
it's a worthy rashad sidegrade
tall torrent
unyielding, carapace, cranial grounding, energy leakage
tepid otter
What about Talents, or can it run on just about anything
tall torrent
focus target spec
tepid otter
oh hey its the same one you sent awhile ago i think
viscid salmon
why no attack speed tho?
tepid otter
it was for a bolter build at first me think
tall torrent
why no attack speed tho?
can't afford + doesn't make that much of a difference
tall torrent
oh hey its the same one you sent awhile ago i think <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832290...
for boltgun I run exe stance
viscid salmon
idk for me the 10% attack speed is basically a necessity at this point for every weapon
tepid otter
oh really? i remember yoinking something which look like that also
viscid salmon
gotta ooga booga
tepid otter
ah well
tall torrent
tall torrent
oh really? i remember yoinking something which look like that also
I prob misclicked the build lemme resend it
this is rashad + boltgun @tepid otter
tall torrent
plasma atm
but it can run a bunch of diff weapons
as long as they don't need always prepared from WS
tepid otter
lovely, i'll try them both tonight
viscid salmon
holy fuck what fuckass seed did i just get for the maelstrom
12 maulers and 14 shotgunners with 2 bosses
magical we didnt die right there
frank basin
I like the mk3 boltgun, made build as demolition style (i boltgun on trash mobs enemies)
my mk3 autocannon 🥰
sage cairn
hybrid plover
okay i know people are calling it mid but new bolter is so fun on exe stance
slim pulsar
I like the mk3 boltgun, made build as demolition style (i boltgun on trash mobs ...
that does not fit at all with 40k autocannon traits
but still, i need
frank basin
that does not fit at all with 40k autocannon traits
could make as grenade launcher
no need long barrel
calm shard
this is rashad + boltgun <@310371097252200450>
does it actually need rending strikes?
I kinda assumed it was just bad damage values not bad ADMs
young sierra
Anyone here figured out a good build for the accatran mk XII?
tall torrent
does it actually need rending strikes?
for carapace yes
0.7 -> 0.8
same goes for rashad
rending for carapce
unlike rashad it doesn't rely as much on atk speed
frank basin
Anyone here figured out a good build for the accatran mk XII?
the fast or the slow one?
frank basin
infernus, head hunter
or head hunter and dumdum
the second option does more dps
infernus just my funsie burning heretic
young sierra
ye im loving infernus too, can u show ur talents for it :D?
frank basin
ye im loving infernus too, can u show ur talents for it :D?
oh? my talent is not really for infernus build
more like universal machine gun build
you know how to make your own by just reading the nodes see what can support your weapon
the engineer line goes like: it is for far range? it is for close range? it is support? it is offensive?
young sierra
yeah in that case im good 😄 thought there is some secret sauce i need to tweak there
thanks
frank basin
sigh
viscid salmon
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
frank basin
fine, ill make one
viscid salmon
what the fuck was this match
frank basin
yeah in that case im good 😄 thought there is some secret sauce i need to tweak ...
give me time
young sierra
i said im ok tho
viscid salmon
frank basin
are you on maelstrom?
viscid salmon
good news is that agripinaa combat shoty works very well
bad news is that this shit took off few years of my lifespan
viscid salmon
are you on maelstrom?
was
we finished it
somehow, it got better after someone with "havocforty" in their name fucked off
viscid salmon
havocforty
looks inside
the veteran has gone horizontal
frank basin
somehow, it got better after someone with "havocforty" in their name fucked off
Lousy player
viscid salmon
what deos a plasma gun for havoc40 look like ?
probably the same as ever, gets hot! rising heat, mix of thermal res and charge rate as the stats with everything else being 80
high goblet
blessings and shi ?
frank basin
Havoc going be like the meta mandatory for victory
frank basin
I know
viscid salmon
Lousy player
there were less difficulty spikes and more difficulty waves, with constant mutant waves and shit
viscid salmon
i got a mod that saves me from carpal tunnel by making single fire guns fire auto with their respective fire rate making the combat shotgun into a street sweeper
viscid salmon
i like the agripinaa full auto ngl, its ful all accurate in hipfire (and by that i dont mean the sight but the round just going fucking 45 degrees to the side outside the sight)
tall torrent
blessings and shi ?
Unarmored, flak, gets hot, rising heat
high goblet
Unarmored, flak, gets hot, rising heat
thx
viscid salmon
god im so glad i brought kraks with me
frank basin
Unarmored, flak, gets hot, rising heat
Does plasma have to sacrifice damage against ogryn enemies?
Or is a specific build
frank basin
Not only blessing there’s stats you need to get condition
71 charge rate and 69 thermal resist
Is hard one
But you don’t need it they only do slight dps
Less delay firing
buoyant aurora
what deos a plasma gun for havoc40 look like ?
Dunno, can't find enough ammo for it
mortal aspen
Does plasma have to sacrifice damage against ogryn enemies?
it still obliterates non-crushers
viscid salmon
brunt about to be swimming in ordo dockets
frank basin
brunt about to be swimming in ordo dockets
Nickname the Goldryn
tall torrent
its the meta build for veteran
Nah it’s just one of the top performers
high goblet
There are others on the same lvl ?
tall torrent
Yea?
frank basin
Boltgun mk2b
high goblet
oh bath
high goblet
Boltgun mk2b
i forgot they added marks
crude wind
Recon, Hellbore, Plasma and bolter probably his best weapons atm
depending on your build ofc
viscid salmon
Just blowing up chaff enemies
i prefer it over the mk2 ngl
dawn garnet
does field improve heal wounds now?
frank basin
does field improve heal wounds now?
It would become mandatory wouldn’t be best to make easier gameplay
Would hurt medicae servitor
dawn garnet
ah nvm someone ate a grim
frank basin
Sorry
dawn garnet
i lost a wound randomly and had to check replay
frank basin
ah nvm someone ate a grim
If is grim on, don’t sit on field improvised medpack
dawn garnet
If is grim on, don’t sit on field improvised medpack
not my fault fatshark doesnt tell us if someone on the team has it
frank basin
Fs should code them not healable while have grim condition
grand perch
havoc gloriana: team goes in the tunnel on the right, at the start. gets absolutely cornered and trapped and smushed with no chance at all
next try: LETS DO THE EXACT SAME FKN THING AGAIN
mortal aspen
viscid salmon
the alternative is "the team stays on the ledge, the team gets blown off the ledge via a barrel"
frank basin
havoc gloriana: team goes in the tunnel on the right, at the start. gets absolut...
Left osha violation chances spawn incredible gassy boss
Right tunnel alley claustrophobic
dawn garnet
@tall torrent kino lines alert
frank basin
<@366562874039992331> kino lines alert
Damn fartshat know majority are plasteel hunger
dawn garnet
id like to think this was inspired by the discord
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> kino lines alert
tall torrent
id like to think this was inspired by the discord
Unfortunately plasteel useless now
frank basin
500 plasteel is lowball
dawn garnet
not for new people
tall torrent
Diamantine way more useful
grand perch
id like to think this was inspired by the discord
was there a conversation i hadnt seen
frank basin
Unfortunately plasteel useless now
Is useless for seasonal player
But not for casual
dawn garnet
was there a conversation i hadnt seen
nah people joke about that often
frank basin
500 plasteel isn’t that much
That like trying kick Lion ass
To win 50 dollar
5,000 plasteel that’s the bounty would take
viscid salmon
death to plasma gunners why the fuck can 13 of them spawn at once
who the fuck designed this shit ass fucking enemy at fartshark
frank basin
Fartshat
mortal aspen
mortal aspen
so switch to smokes
frank basin
If you have 13 plasma gunnie, cast exe to check surrounding in darkness
viscid salmon
i dont wanna run smokes
viscid salmon
a single enemy type shouldnt dictate the blitz choice
mortal aspen
they need to be tweaked for sure
viscid salmon
thats just poor fucking game design
mortal aspen
but if you're playing the event and not taking smokes - you're kind doing it to yourself ngl
mortal aspen
fair enough then
viscid salmon
had the gloriana, got to the big room, 2 minutes all was good, then 7 gorrilion plasma gunners spawned with the nonstop horde and everyone got shot to shit by the plasmas
even tho i dodged fucking 2 rounds at once the third fucker just shot me
frank basin
Did any your team trying best to get rid plasma?
floral creek
Unarmored, flak, gets hot, rising heat
Late, but why unarmored?
viscid salmon
Did any your team trying best to get rid plasma?
im playing pubs, im glad that my teammates are capable of pressing W and LMB
floral creek
Thank you
viscid salmon
anything else is wishful thinking
frank basin
Thank you <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
Flak is probably for scab too
viscid salmon
plasmas spawned, first dude went down instantly, then second, then i got traped and shot and burned, and the last dude unfortunately couldnt really do much
floral creek
So really; The Heavy Gunner Atomizer
frank basin
im playing pubs, im glad that my teammates are capable of pressing W and LMB
No no no no no no I don’t wanna flash back with pyro w+m1
frank basin
So really; The Heavy Gunner Atomizer
Homie hate gunner fuck all them
The thing is, you need headshotting them instead bodyshotting it, it is possible to 1 bodyshot if landed crits
floral creek
Love seeing your name on the top right vaporizing a bunch of them during their smoke break.
*Top left
frank basin
Your exe stance is extra
viscid salmon
is grenade tink necessary for smoke or is it just nice QoL
frank basin
Is not worth from people said, but just flex your extra talent point
viscid salmon
yea i aint flexin shit i need muh points
floral creek
Is grenade tink just a flex slot for every blitz?
viscid salmon
no
frank basin
No, it has own little oomph
floral creek
Cause hold on lemme show my tree, I wanna get grenade tink
viscid salmon
its really fucking good for kraks and especially shredders + bolt pistol
frank basin
A little oomph blitz from tinkerer is nice
I run mk3 boltgun with blitz need extra radius and damage slight kick built as demolition man
mortal aspen
15s smoke with infinite smokes is good enough, but 30s is very comfy
invincibility cheat
floral creek
I'm trying to get grenade tink for kraks, but I don't know what I can do without
native ocean
drop one of WS subnodes
floral creek
Oh, okay, probs the one that reloads
frank basin
I'm trying to get grenade tink for kraks, but I don't know what I can do without
Remove duty and honor or no balls
floral creek
Grenadier not really worth it, right?
floral creek
Remove duty and honor or no balls <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
It's nice to have, also I'm not that talented
native ocean
I like having grenadier if I can get it
mortal aspen
I'm trying to get grenade tink for kraks, but I don't know what I can do without
stamina regen over Reciprocity (free crit)?
but yeah, one of the WS nodes for tinkerer easily
or out for blood
floral creek
or out for blood
Hmmm, I think I won't miss that 5% since I have On Your Toes
frank basin
Adds to Skirmisher
You already have skirmisher
crimson wyvern
viscid salmon
as cool as smokes are at clearing enemy gunners and such, id really rather have shredders or kraks as an oh shit button in pubs
frank basin
“The enemies around my ass, I need shat a boom on them” blitz
viscid salmon
ill give smoke one more try, this time also with the "allies see highlighted enemies via exec" thing so they stop fucking running out of the smoke cloud
floral creek
Woe is the crusher duo that gets the extra gacha grenade
Anyway, thank you for the input.
dry cloak
Yeah
frank basin
im taking back shredders
Smoke aren’t suppose to be offensive
They meant to be support utility tool
viscid salmon
i am aware
viscid salmon
they are also useless against horde of shit
ill play around with it
but for the autogun im taking shredders
frank basin
If you play as sniper is hard to be with smoke
You need someone protect you
I have sniper build I would get ass ganged from backshot
mortal aspen
autogun should murder all of that rather easily
I did a few aurics with it, exe + mmf
beast of a weapon
frank basin
You be thanking the Rending sources
mortal aspen
your party died to 2 maulers and a crusher xdd
idk, I think it's easier to play around the other enemies and cheese plasma goons
because they are just unfair atm
grand perch
is grenade tink necessary for smoke or is it just nice QoL
it doubles the time they give cover, meaning you need to spam less, meaning you will pretty much always have at least 1 smoke left at all times
i like tinkerer for smokes
like, you could argue it doubles your amount of smoke grenades in effect and thats huge
viscid salmon
autogun should murder all of that rather easily
oh no no no, you missunderstand, this is after ive already killed like 60% of the initial armored wave of that, which is why im at no ammo whatsoever
viscid salmon
They meant to be support utility tool
and as for this, sry was in game, i know its just a supportive blitz, the point i was making that the general diff spikes tend to be hordes of just armored fuckers thrown at you, where smokes arent that useful unlike other offensive blitzes
so had i had shredders or even kraks there it could have maybe gone better, the smokes are still useful in their right but i think for now ill just stick with shredders or kraks
frank basin
and as for this, sry was in game, i know its just a supportive blitz, the point ...
You gotta let the team do the part of job rather you have to do by yourself.
Going shred and krak if you wanna mop up for the team by yourself
viscid salmon
yea the team doesnt exist, theres only me and 3 suspicious maybe-heretics
frank basin
3 pubbies
Blueberries
If you wanna be mother of all, go shred or Kark
Smoke if the team really do the job
But is challenging when trying do by yourself
viscid salmon
ive redone the maelstrom before it ended with another team, using this
much easier
frank basin
How come maelstrom become Homer Simpson brained players?
viscid salmon
the thing is that in general even if im running with my buddy, having one extra person i can talk with and rely on makes things so much more of a breeze
frank basin
I thought that game use to be lot good player
viscid salmon
How come maelstrom become Homer Simpson brained players?
its better than auric quickplay thats for sure
frank basin
Auric is even bad?
I play damnation regular feel normal some player died or manage staying alive long without captured
viscid salmon
auric QP be like:
- Psykers overloading on peril
- Knife Zealot running off on their own
- Vet player taking all the ammo, then getting crusher overheaded and leaving
- Arbitrator lone wolfs everywhere
frank basin
Stereotype
frank basin
auric QP be like:
- Psykers overloading on peril
- Knife Zealot running off on t...
Found any ogryn?
viscid salmon
ogryn players tend to be not complete morons
frank basin
Lmao
Oh my god
That’s funny as shit
Feel like tzeetch modifier presence
Where everyone intelligent swap off
grim oriole
Hey so I’m kinda new to the game how do I get the red tier weapons?
novel saddle
Hey so I’m kinda new to the game how do I get the red tier weapons?
They don't exist
frank basin
Hey so I’m kinda new to the game how do I get the red tier weapons?
Is a mod called red weapon at home
viscid salmon
Hey so I’m kinda new to the game how do I get the red tier weapons?
you mean orange?
red is a mod
novel saddle
Gold is the highest rarity
grim oriole
Oh okay gotcha that’s a silly mod
frank basin
I have few red item in vermin
I got insult from legend player told me go back champion
dry cloak
im vt2 vet and yet i have no need for such mods
unreal nova
ogryn players tend to be not complete morons
No, they are unga bunga relying on op damage and bulk unless railed by 10 plasmas.
viscid salmon
Stereotype <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
the most obnoxiously fucking annoying has to be lone wolf arbitrator because atleast in my eyes arbitrator is fucking busted. 80% DR for 10 seconds with a dog that automatically pounces, disables and kills enemy elites and specialists and saves you from 1 out of 2 disablers, has access to probably the most busted gun in the entire game and extremely good melee weapons... And people that plane lone wolf arb make my fucking head spin.
Why yes, let me get rid of the most potent part of my kit in return for... getting a grenade back every minute
dry cloak
No, they are unga bunga relying on op damage and bulk unless railed by 10 plasma...
new ones sure oldgryns no
viscid salmon
its few more things, at the cost of the dog
viscid salmon
which is not worth it at all in my eyes
unreal nova
new ones sure oldgryns no
Think is, I am being forced to try and clutch every game at 300 ping. And I can only really do it on my shock mine lone wulf arby.
dry cloak
Think is, I am being forced to try and clutch every game at 300 ping. And I can ...
yeah
frank basin
Think is, I am being forced to try and clutch every game at 300 ping. And I can ...
Malaysian services
atomic void
the most obnoxiously fucking annoying has to be lone wolf arbitrator because atl...
Lone wolf has it's perks
Nade regen is huge and impacts/shock mines are very good and not fun without the regen
Also the extra attack speed helps
unreal nova
Malaysian services
I'm not from Malaysia.
frank basin
I'm not from Malaysia.
I’m joking third world services
I been there having slow ass download speed on division 2 at my granny house
unreal nova
I’m joking third world services
Malaysia isn't third world. Second world is what ppl consider.
frank basin
Then i got Nat restriction for playing warframe
viscid salmon
plus with the aura the dog provides:
- one additional coherency person even incase youre not close to them
- a pretty solid blitz option that further buffs your shotgun
- automatic hunting and disabling of elites/specials
- targeted hunting of snipers or fuckers in the back
- electric pounce able to stop mutant while running or if it catches you it makes him drop you and is stunned for few seconds
- brittleness on whatever it pounces
unreal nova
I’m joking third world services
I'm from Singapore. Local server 3-6 ping... try playing outside of HK/Japan/SEA. Lul.
viscid salmon
like until now every lone wolf arbitrator ive seen has sucked giant nurgles balls
unreal nova
There's the joke of constantly having to switch from instant reactions to precognition mode.
frank basin
I'm from Singapore. Local server 3-6 ping... try playing outside of HK/Japan/SEA...
Cool, my friend last visit to Singapore brought American flag pin
atomic void
plus with the aura the dog provides:
- one additional coherency person even inca...
Dog is cracked but lone wolf is also no slouch
It's like multiple perks rolled into one
Lone wolf helps immensely if you're going for Melee focused BTL forceful build tbh
More tankiness, more speed, more raw DMG, regen for mines and impacts
You really can't go wrong with arbi at all
frank basin
@unreal nova the rest asia water is undrinkable tap water, but your is safe one.
That’s my friend told me
viscid salmon
Dog is cracked but lone wolf is also no slouch
It's like multiple perks rolled ...
yea the class is busted but again, ive yet to see a good lone wolf arbitrator
unreal nova
<@229302123391614976> the rest asia water is undrinkable tap water, but your is ...
Yeah, sink water is safe.
atomic void
I play it pretty good 
I actually prefer it over dog
1 impact every minute means a shotgunner pack is getting deleted every minute with the press of a button
viscid salmon
1 impact every minute means a shotgunner pack is getting deleted every minute wi...
back in august when i played it, the average leaderboard looked like this every match
atomic void
Was this during broken dog bleed times
atomic void
Mk3 shotty my beloved
frank basin
Man why placeholder text still there when updated didn’t fix it
viscid salmon
Man why placeholder text still there when updated didn’t fix it
this is an old screenshot
frank basin
Yeah but it still persist today
viscid salmon
i dont have it currently
frank basin
I played with my friend hour ago get those
viscid salmon
interesting, ive not seen placeholder text since ive updated the mod
teal canyon
Plz, use Power DI instead of scoreboard mod
Anyway. Do you think body positive sprat going to do anything about lasgun?
frank basin
mortal aspen
oh no no no, you missunderstand, this is **after** ive already killed like 60% o...
understandable. your team wasn't pulling their weight then 100%
viscid salmon
i love kraks
viscid salmon
Plz, use Power DI instead of scoreboard mod
the fuck is power DI
zealous remnant
The new Kraks are rather nice
viscid salmon
ive made an anti boss build with chainsword, mk 10 heavy laspistol (its actually much better if you got the autofire mod) and kraks
weakened bosses are 1 to 2 kraks
regular bosses are either 3-4 kraks or 1-2 magazines of the heavy laspistol
chainsword is also great at killing bosses and it shredds the void shield on captains
besides i dont think theres anything cooler than killing an ogryn or spawn with the rev chainsword
formal hamlet
Jesus, put the difficulty down just to grind the event easier for myself and it was harder. I get the strong feeling at least one person in that team was not pulling their weight much at all lol.
I know things are bad when it feels like of all people, it's me who's carrying. 
Also rare instance of getting matched with triple psykers, don't see that often. We were not starved for CC or bubbles, that's for sure. 