veteran-class

[unreal nova]

Is normal. I just sometimes wonder if I just run things weirdly.

[meager echo]

Ds has uncanny, so that bleed is good on boss.

Knife have mercy killer and uncanny

Sweet combo

[unreal nova]

Heck even shovel... heh.

[void dragon]

whould be better if "Get back in the fight" was swaped with "Opneing salvo"?

[unreal nova]

If you run that instead of deci skullcrusher.

[slow spade]

Pretty much any node is better than Get Back in the Fight

[stuck gorge]

what even does that node do again i forgor

never used it

[slow spade]

It doesn't even do its job well

[void dragon]

tougness broken trigger you getting more stamina and becoming slow and stun immune

[slow spade]

Stun immunity, 50 stam, and some other stuff when your toughness breaks

20 sec cooldown

[void dragon]

feels as situational as Covert operative, but that one makes more sense

[slow spade]

The problem is it doesn't actually help your survival because toughness breaks are usually sniper or plasma shots

Unless you tank an overhead with gold toughness, I would never abuse gold toughness like that :3

[unreal nova]

Sure I believe you.

[void dragon]

it needs a rework to be as useful as bleed on hits or better med/ammo packs

currently is not the "oh sh!7 RETREAT!"

that is supposed to be

[meager echo]

But if you tank overhead you get a 5 mins break. Thats a win in my opinion.

[unreal nova]

5?

[meager echo]

Yeah, in havoc you get overhead its instant dead. You get a break.

[elder vessel]

you get

https://tenor.com/view/heaven-gif-18059552

[unreal nova]

I play arby or some weird zealot build. I can eat an overhead.

[elder vessel]

Some weird zealot build is every build now

[unreal nova]

I played all auras. And all hp curios lmao.

[meager echo]

After patch i saw many different zealots build. Evis, Thammer, Ds, relic blade.

[unreal nova]

And corruption resist into corruption removal.

[meager echo]

Before most of them run ds.

[unreal nova]

Knoife.

[meager echo]

Oh yeah knife as well.

[elder vessel]

the more things change the more things stay the same

[faint beacon]

Rashad post vet rework is a bit ludicrous

@tall torrent Unsure if it'll hit Havoc BPs but its over-excelling in Auric as per usual

[grand perch]

its on all my builds now

except like 1 out of 30

[plain osprey]

Luv me rashad

[grand perch]

look at that dude.
look how fucking happy he is

hes got the best gifts of nurgle

[whole moon]

I just made one and had a lot of fun with it, any preferences on mark or blessings, went limbsplitter and brutal momentum

[plain osprey]

As it should

Its a goated node

However, it has one flaw... When some dipshit picks up the grimmoire...
Your medpack is gonna be exhausted in 30 sec tops lmao

[void dragon]

"the gift was a kick in the bawls by a crazy veteran with a DBshotgun"

[grand perch]

look at him he loves kicks in the bawlz

[stuck gorge]

does field improv make the medpack have more charges ontop of increasing the speed or does it just make you eat the pack faster

[unreal nova]

Let the dumb guy die. Unless uprising.

[grand perch]

nooope

[void dragon]

indeed, and he is still for a suprise extra gift *aims barrels of the shotgun

[grand perch]

pack goes faster

[midnight wyvern]

because it heals faster

[unreal nova]

The bonus is the corruption removal.

[plain osprey]

I usually barrel them until they destroy it or die

Once follwed an arbites half the match, always 5-10 mrts behind him in order to barrel him. After like 5 Barrels he had enough and destroyed the grimmoire

[stuck gorge]

just look forwhatever has less ammo

and dmg

[unreal nova]

I just let them die since they can't deal with the corruption.

[plain osprey]

Sometimes its the havoc forged sweatlords that pick it up so its more challenging for them. They dont die. Unless i can help it...

[unreal nova]

Bad. Like no point. Use OG generally unless you play uprising.

[unreal nova]

Some got carried though.

When you see arbies dropping like flies with it.

[void dragon]

still quite shocked that Arbys go down first, like HOW?!

[unreal nova]

Remember, you keep the title even after old season. Season 1 could totally be carried.

[fair shale]

It makes it heal faster but its the same charges

[unreal nova]

I mean, if it's 14 plasmas, sure. Everyone literally dies.

If you get railed by silent pack.

[plain osprey]

I once encountered 3 really good players in auric, that picked both grimmoires despite me begging them not to.

I was playing two wounds regular psyker

By some miracle i never went down that mission.

By the skin of my nuts

Worst thing is, one had the mod where it showed the steam name (which is my real first name) and he insulted me personally in Chat afterwards with it.

Needless to say he got reported and blocked.

I hope he stepped on a lego that night when he went to go pee

[void dragon]

ah yea, but i mean after the plasma squad struk us all

[fair shale]

I mean like you can also rub 2 warm braincells together and stand outside the medipack instead of killing your team, idk

[plain osprey]

Yeah, those are usually dealt with by barrels....

[unreal nova]

Not for some holdout spots.

[fair shale]

Give me an example because I can't really think of any, even the arena in the back half of the stims mission

[unreal nova]

Unless you like to stand in the open while the pack sits in the corner of the holdout.

[stuck gorge]

Are smokes at least good vs the plasma gunners?

[fair shale]

Ime they don't care about smokes

[quick seal]

what is the new bolt piostl
is it called the IV or the VI?

[unreal nova]

The first event on consignment.

You want to hide at the stairs.

One side.

[meager echo]

You throw smoke on your feet they will run toward you or wandering around, the same go for captain or lt if they have their gun out.

[unreal nova]

Only bubble/book to minigame then push back.

[quick seal]

They didn't add a new bolt pistol. You're confusing it with the new boltgun they added, the mark III.

[unreal nova]

There is a new bistol.

[void dragon]

would dare to say that well used they are a direct counter

[unreal nova]

Mark.

[fair shale]

Ive seen em shooting into smokes but I'm not sure if it was bad smoke positioning

[unreal nova]

Ping is an issue.

[fair shale]

It is Darktide

[meager echo]

If you standing in smoke, it doesnt matter if they shoot into smoke.

[unreal nova]

Smokes only really work sub 50 ping.

You just gamble otherwise.

They barely do things at 300 ping for me.

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hyppy-gif-9091438043443803258

YIPPEE

[quick seal]

No there's not

[unreal nova]

There is. Like, it's bad, but it exists.

[tall torrent]

It’s not as good as power sword’s DPS but it’s like the next best thing

[meager echo]

Smoke is a very good blitz, it's like psyker bubble. If you pick smoke you take pressure of psyker. Sometimes tox or fire bomb deny your safe zone in bubble. That's when you need a fail safe - smoke, to reposition.

[midnight wyvern]

smoke is great

[fair shale]

Its vets best nade when it actually works

[unreal nova]

It's just bad if you play at my ping.

[hollow ibex]

ehhh

[quick seal]

Yes, I know there is but I'm trying to do the Cunningham's Law thing but there are ten different people in this chat but nobody can tell me what it's called. I heard that it's a better AOE but I don't know which mark it is. Every time I google it, it just tells me "Godwyn Branx". Bruh they're all called Godwyn Branx. So is the better-AOE mark, the new mark, is it mark IV or mark VI? Dude nobody knows.

None of us use the bolt pistol, apparently.

Just please someone tell me what the new bolt pistol is called so I can test out the new content they added two days ago

[stuck gorge]

it’s whatever mark has less ammo and dmg

you can check in like 2 seconds

[meager echo]

All vets blitz are good choice, it a matter of taste.

[hollow ibex]

6

is the new one

[quick seal]

thanks

[fair shale]

I like not getting shot.

[hollow ibex]

eww

what a weird fetish

[quick seal]

Dude I looked at both marks on the mark screen and they're both "high damage, mobile". None of them tell me which one is newer or which one has mroe AOE. How am I supposed to know the newer one has less ammo and dmg bruh

[hollow ibex]

can check the ammo count

new one has 7

[quick seal]

uhhh what

[hollow ibex]

less ammo in the mag

[quick seal]

That means it's worse, right?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[quick seal]

Less ammo, less damage,

the only thing better is more AOE?

[hollow ibex]

you give up a lot

[fair shale]

The kicker is cleave imo

[hollow ibex]

to have shitty AOE damage

[fair shale]

Idc about aoe when OG bolt stuff cleaves like it do

[quick seal]

Less ammo, less damage, less cleave, is there anything better about it? The better AOE synergizes better with Lethal Proxmitiy, right? In theory, perhaps?

[midnight wyvern]

90!!!

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-screams-then-dies-gif-22962780

[fair shale]

Ive heard zealot using it well

[hollow ibex]

might kill some poxwalkers with the AOE if you mag dump the entire thing

[fair shale]

Opens up bulwarks, good panic gun in the middle of hordes

[meager echo]

I can't use the bolt pistol, the recoil is so ass, I barely hit anything

[fair shale]

Bolt Pistol is fun for not havocs imo

[unreal nova]

Not worth it at all unless you only play uprising.

[dry cloak]

I like the new boltgun better

Havent tried the new pistol yet

[quick seal]

Okay, noted. I guess I won't be testing out the new boltpistol then

[mortal aspen]

never forget what they took from us, sedition gamers

[unreal nova]

Maybe malice will be fine, but bp for heresy is now iffy.

[fair shale]

I really distinctly remember doing sedition to farm grims, tomes, and completions in general cause you could simply walk through it.

You can do whatever you want in heresy imo

You can do whatever you want in damnations too ngl

[unreal nova]

Especially if you plan on taking 'nade nodes instead of pathing for extra weakpoint damage or so.

[fair shale]

I like both

[dry cloak]

I stolled caring about brake points for the most part

[fair shale]

They only matter for Havoc

[unreal nova]

Best place is to just use in mortis, you can compensate with inf crit ammo lul.

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's true

[meager echo]

I love mortis trail, but no one play that mode in my sv T^T

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

Breakpoints are still worth checking

Except now u can reach 1 breakpoint in many diff ways

[unreal nova]

I just don't remember mark names since it used to not have any extra marks to care about.

[tame lodge]

Tru

[willow prairie]

boltpistol is just ass

[void dragon]

Have been trying something unorthodox with deadshot and the stamina regen perk on WS on a Laspistol and the results seems quite good, quite ammo efficient gunning with high damage on the pocket of a good melee capable veteran. Can sustain Deadshot by swapping quickly weapons for stamina on kill for a REALLY long fight while ADS

[snow valve]

It's really satisfying to use though imo (bolt pistol)

[void dragon]

You are talking of the new mk? Feel that is a good sidearm for a zealot, the extra cc on melee can help it to complement it's melee approach by good mobility and stagger at range

[willow prairie]

im talking about both

[snow valve]

I don't like the less ammo less damage combo

[void dragon]

Yeah, it should have equal ammo, it already trades cc and the explosion for damage and penetration

[quick seal]

the mark system is so ass. Especially since they changed the numbers around every other update. So, people just need to start referring to them by the colors. Blue gun shoots fast, Brown one shoots slow, green one shoots medium. Maybe. Or something like that. Colors are way better than saying numbers that are going to be wrong by the next update

[willow prairie]

the explosion does no damaghe lol

[void dragon]

Yeah, the important part is the aoe cc, but doesn't feel that impactful as a main weapon

[unreal nova]

Why we just look at the ammo count for this. Never changes at any lvl lul.

[unreal nova]

30 more or so.

[slim pulsar]

man why do stats cap out at 80%

[unreal nova]

So nothing lul.

[snow valve]

I don't do it by the colours, I just say for example with the recon "the fast/good one" "the normal one" and "the shit one"

[void dragon]

ObeseFish can't count to 100%

[unreal nova]

And you can't hordeclear since the boom knocks all the shit away from the first target lul.

[slim pulsar]

does this imply red weapons or am i still coping

[void dragon]

Red I think is from a mod, there is no such thing in base game iirc

[slim pulsar]

im talking about those super weapons from VT2 that i heard about

[unreal nova]

Uhhh... the good one is green though. Blue is funni memes but eat through ammo like heck.

[void dragon]

Ah, sorry didn't played VT2

[slim pulsar]

same lol

[snow valve]

Idk what colour is mk12 but that's the good one

[slim pulsar]

i just know there's a bigger rarity of weapons there that go above regular max level

[snow valve]

Faster Infernus stacks is less ammo usage overall

[unreal nova]

Blue is fast, green is most ammo efficient and can actually kill specials/elites without magdumping.

[slim pulsar]

but at this point in darktide it's not like fatshark will add better weapons if we've already hit the max difficulty of the game

[unreal nova]

Brown/Red is just not worth it.

[hollow ibex]

nah all the marks are good

though XIV is a bit niche

[snow valve]

We are in vet channel right? We have shock trooper

[hollow ibex]

XII is prob the least good out of all them if anything

[void dragon]

Infinite laser

[unreal nova]

We also have other classes that need ammo.

[dry cloak]

Red weapons were just max lvl weapons with perks maxed. You could get max perks on a orange weapon in vt2.

[snow valve]

Ammo isn't real it can't hurt you

[slim pulsar]

for the lasgun?

[void dragon]

Also, I'm amazed that ppl remember what each Lasguns does by color code

[hollow ibex]

recon las

[unreal nova]

And blue chews bullets like ridiculously fast.

[fair shale]

Red weapons in vt2 were unironically not your preference iirc, they defo weren't in 1

[slim pulsar]

ah

[fair shale]

You wanted good oranges more

[mortal aspen]

uhh

no

[slim pulsar]

i'll be honest the recon las is the most boring gun in the game

[mortal aspen]

red is just maxed out orange

[slim pulsar]

it has nothing fun going on with it

[mortal aspen]

that you can switch stats on "freely"

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[snow valve]

Recon las go brrrrrrrrr

[slim pulsar]

the no recoil part is the worst

[hollow ibex]

i agree

[snow valve]

Target switching is satisfying

[slim pulsar]

it's why i use autogun instead

it feels like im actually shooting something

[fair shale]

I distinctly remember wanting the oranges for some reason in 2 tbh, idk why

[mortal aspen]

misremembering probably, there's no advantage at all

[faint beacon]

im tired

im so fucking tired

[void dragon]

Kinda why I'm deciding ways to use Laspistol like main weapon with deadshot and shock trooper

[faint beacon]

me billionth Auric wipe to me getting netted once and then their brains shut off the moment Plasma gunners walk in

[fair shale]

I might be conflating it with 1 cause ik 1 you defo wanted oranges

[mortal aspen]

yesterday I tried H30, we were doing very well until I got grabbed by a mutie into a flamer
then somehow everyone else died 3 seconds after from full health xdd

it's so chaotic

[slim pulsar]

the amount of pubs who dont understand that you have to IMMEDIATELY help somebody who's netted makes me want to bash my head in

[void dragon]

So many times I'm the only one rescuing a teammate

[slim pulsar]

like great you waited 5 extra seconds and now the teamate is downed, making the situation much harder

[fringe pivot]

[tame lodge]

Oh ok

Plasma gunner modifier is 3

Plasma captain is 30

[sullen scarab]

I'm dicking around with the MK X Laspistol + PS6, anything I can do to make this build better lol

[tame lodge]

So uh

Yeah

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

Its either this cause 90% of the time I get netted is because its a point blank

aka you cannot dodge it

or its Plasma Gunner spam

and then it ends up with a wipe

[slim pulsar]

yeah or you're stuck in a horde and can't dodge out of the way

it's worse in damnation rn. my teams keep getting downed by maulers or something stupid like that

[faint beacon]

Its because of new players

[tall torrent]

Could prob take MF over FT

[faint beacon]

thats a given

[slim pulsar]

nah it's returning players

[tall torrent]

I think FT on its own is the weakest keystone for vet atm

[faint beacon]

im more just shocked people in Auric are dying this easily

outside of Plasma Spam

[sullen scarab]

Yeah that was what I was thinking too lol.

[tall torrent]

WS is strong for melee and MF is a ton of extra damage, toughness & stamina

[faint beacon]

there really is extremely little counters to plasma gunners atm

outside of Smoke, Bubble and basically praying they rush you down

[tall torrent]

MF u just want the keystone itself + tunnel vision usually

[sullen scarab]

I'm jsut trying to see if I need any of the WS melee talents, or if I can just get by with the powersword just being strong by itself.

[tall torrent]

LRA at most if u can afford it

[slim pulsar]

i rush into plasma gunners with arbites and they still shoot me from like 5 meters away

it's so stupid

[tall torrent]

If u want good melee yea

[sullen scarab]

i'll see lmao

[tall torrent]

Skirmisher + EW is like mandatory path tbh

I take them even for exe boltgun

[young sun]

What are the good blessings for the falchion? I'm running the strength with heat and vent on weakspot hits currently

[tall torrent]

Cranial + wrath

[hearty panther]

BM and Headtaker, make sure you take the mark that looks like a combat axe

[sullen scarab]

Yeah Skirmisher EW is insane, you weren't kidding when you said it was a free 45% damage

[tall torrent]

Heatsink is bait don’t use it

[grand perch]

you changed your mind pretty quick about skirmisher, you dismissed it right after the patch

[faint beacon]

Decap is bait also

you really dont get enough uptime vs Cranial

[faint beacon]

tbf

they added "slide"

instantly went from meh

to literally one of the best talents on Vet

[slim pulsar]

is there any advantage that the unpowered falchion has over powered

[hearty panther]

maybe if i didnt skew the use metrics by having heatsink on my relic blades fatshark would have buffed it ;_; its all my fault

[faint beacon]

Not really? Cause thats the gimmick

difference is unpowered on Falchion is good

vs

PS

where its abysmal dogshit

[slim pulsar]

man i wish there was a weapon that the alt fire just changed into a different weapon

like the power sword in SM2

[void dragon]

The man is wishing for a combi weapon KILL HIM!

[sly orchid]

sm2s power sword is good in theory

but most of the time youll use speed or power only

[slim pulsar]

yeah

[slim pulsar]

when i first played SM2 i spammed the power sword alt thinking it worked like darktide

[sullen scarab]

missing so many nice skills to pick up the WS stuff lol

[slim pulsar]

but then i remembered that 40k power swords aren't stupid outside darktide

[sullen scarab]

wonder if I should just give up on deadshot lol

[slim pulsar]

you're using a laspistol yeah?

[sullen scarab]

yee

the MK X one

[daring tusk]

gun strike next update trust

recover 50% toughness

[sullen scarab]

just trying ot figure out how to get a good ubild for it overall lol

[slim pulsar]

wouldn't you prefer a weapon switching build for a pistol

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent I just realized

Determined is removed from the tree

Does that mean ILAS is dead? 😭

[void dragon]

The suppression immunity? It's build into veteran base

[faint beacon]

Baked in

Vet is permanently immune to suppression

[sullen scarab]

i like all the finesse bonuses on the marksman tree, the pistol scales well with it lol

[orchid hemlock]

Let's fucking gooo

[faint beacon]

A lot of people have been saying it should've been the passive

[tame lodge]

Actually
iLas is back

[faint beacon]

glad they listened

[tame lodge]

(it's not back)

[faint beacon]

so yeah ILAS is unironically back, but its still not a great choice

you just juice it with Vets new talents

[tame lodge]

Stagger is borked
So I'm going to rock no Respite until it's fixed

[slim pulsar]

if the infantry las had a fire mode switch it would be much better just saying

[tame lodge]

140% ranged damage iLas

[slim pulsar]

arbites is comedic rn

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-skeleton-meme-shield-meme-knight-gif-1673183717418664365

[slim pulsar]

with all the stagger related damage

and the coherency damage vs staggered

[snow valve]

You want a three round burst on infantry lasgun?

[slim pulsar]

or an automatic that's worse than a recon lasgun but is made better by a higher damage semi auto

burst works too i guess

just making the infantry las more versatile so it shines more

[sullen scarab]

Best I can do with MK X Laspistol, but I gave up deadshot for more melee lol.

[slim pulsar]

does the laspistol really need to no ammo consumption on crit

you could have a higher capacity mag instead ye

[sullen scarab]

its nice not reloading when you got the hot hand LOL

but yeah higher capacity mag sounds good too

might try that out!

good point

[narrow frost]

shocktrooper gives it a higher mag

[sullen scarab]

LOL also true

[narrow frost]

vet now has like base 50% crit with 2 talents

that everyone should take

[slim pulsar]

which

[narrow frost]

reci and depo

wone sec

[sullen scarab]

I guess giving up deadshot is fine, I hate running out of stamina anyways lmao

[faint beacon]

This entire section is good

they're in here

[snow valve]

Just bump the ilas base damage up to 1head 1body gunners and it will be in an ok place

[stark pollen]

honestly this might be the core to every single vet build

[narrow frost]

class crit change 10% + 25% + 10%

45%

by playing the game

yippee

I love power creep

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-skeleton-meme-shield-meme-knight-gif-1673183717418664365

[slim pulsar]

oh damn i didn't notice that the crit chance on dodge stacks

[willow prairie]

crit zealot who

[narrow frost]

combo that crit with exploit or shocktrooper

what do you get

50% global power and infinite ammo (with skirmisher)

[willow prairie]

bleed knife is also stronger if more inconsistent on vet

[snow valve]

One beaming a burgle in the ass blister is pure bliss

[slim pulsar]

gun class? more like rogue class

[narrow frost]

vet wasnt the gun class since patch 13

[sullen scarab]

Looks like I need to get +15% elite enemies to one shot gunners with a headshot

[narrow frost]

you can 1 shot scab ragers in havoc 40 with a PA from PS

,...

[slow spade]

as intended

[faint beacon]

truly the peak of balance

[snow valve]

Why do that when you can just poke them in the eye with toothpick

[narrow frost]

DS cant compare to PS

[hybrid plover]

tbf h40 even regarding that is still an absolute pain rn

[narrow frost]

only thing it has is mobility

but why move when PS 1 shots everything

[hybrid plover]

Stims modifier is uh

It's something, to put it lightly

[slim pulsar]

the powering up always messes with me

[faint beacon]

Its only pain because of Plasma Spam thats my take

[stark pollen]

I feel like executioner stance is the only vet ability that doesn't benefit much from CDR since it recovers cooldown during the effect, and it's effect isn't as potent as VOC or Infiltration. You could drop the bottom middle 3 points for more damage or toughness based on personal preference.

[faint beacon]

mental exhaustion last night failing over 9 times solely from plasma waves

[sullen scarab]

That's a good idea actually! You're right, I feel like its always up lmao

[faint beacon]

You can block cancel with the Mark VI

literally makes the uptime immediate

[slow spade]

sadly you can still be interrupted if hit while swinging

[slim pulsar]

HUH

[faint beacon]

@narrow frost On that fent mindset right now

cooking up something stupid

[narrow frost]

looks like DN

[faint beacon]

Scratches head

rubs chin

ermmmm

whats-

[narrow frost]

Deez Nuts

[faint beacon]

I DIDN'T ASK

[tall torrent]

20~45%

[faint beacon]

YOU LOSE

[narrow frost]

without weapon consideration though

[faint beacon]

Still utterly insane as well

[tall torrent]

Yea baseline 20~45% for melee

[faint beacon]

45% is easily enough uptime for E.Weakness

[tall torrent]

Which is pretty good given how hard vet hits

[narrow frost]

yes

[tall torrent]

Vet basically gets IJ zealot’s damage while getting 2/3 of piety zealot’s crit

[crimson wyvern]

super interesting, does this pronoun change if you change body type?

[tall torrent]

Even 20% is lol

1 crit every 5 atks

Surely u’d atk at least 5 times within 6s

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/drmanhattan-watchman-delete-erase-gif-4932378

[sullen scarab]

What about something like this for laspistol X/PS6 lol.

cooking or cooked

[willow prairie]

me when im about to kill a rotten armor crusher then they bring out the heroine syringe

(they're full hp now)

[tall torrent]

I would still take tac awareness tbh

[sullen scarab]

yeah hmmm

I guess I'll give up the krak grenades for it

[tall torrent]

Nah keep krak

What u can prob drop is exe stance subnode?

Also don’t take covering fire lmao

[sullen scarab]

oh yeah? The toughness?

[tall torrent]

Go longshot for laspistol

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lbMi7LdEkj5K1ELAO?invite=cr-MSxzQXUsMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=11

@slim pulsar

[gilded wraith]

Any change in preferred mk of laspistol? Still 2?

[sullen scarab]

oh yeah you're right LMAO

[tall torrent]

Nah u should get at least one 25 TGH node

[sullen scarab]

I'm just so used to taking covering fire by default

yeah, I meant the uh, tunnel vision

[tall torrent]

Easily

[hearty panther]

X would be competitive for me if it didn't have a fire delay when coming out of sprint

[tall torrent]

The chud sword in question

[sullen scarab]

Sad I can't fit in Bring it Down or Superiority Complex lol

[willow prairie]

you can do that fast enough to not hear activation sound also

[sullen scarab]

I guess this is as good as it gets lmao

with the JUICED weapon specialist tree

Weapon Specialist pretending to be a Marksman

Also what do you run on the MK II Laspistol nowadays?

[faint beacon]

I hate how it feels

hence I hate it

LMAO

[sullen scarab]

Dumdum Infernus/Unyielding maniac?

[faint beacon]

I know its overpowered as all hell

but holy shit I just do not like using it

[faint beacon]

Honestly imo

[tall torrent]

Did u play unfaltering IJ relic blade yet

[faint beacon]

drop the 25 toughness and pick up tunnel vision

[gilded wraith]

Does las still have a baked in crit % boost?

[faint beacon]

no but I totally should

[tall torrent]

Drop exe stance subnode for TV imo

Exe stance subnode is mainly for like boltgun/helbore

[midnight wyvern]

is it good

[sullen scarab]

Ahhhhh ok

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u rly need that 8s duration for laspistol

[faint beacon]

and then run 2 toughness Curios + Stam/HP depending on how you prefer it

[sullen scarab]

I'm too weak, I'm baby

hahaha

ok

let me play around

[faint beacon]

Dont knock it till you try it

if you prefer being aggressive with MMF

shit is really good

[sullen scarab]

Oh ok I understand now

[tall torrent]

U can sprint while doing heavy sweep on enemies, which drains stamina for better damage from desperation

[sullen scarab]

I spam the krak grenades on the bosses instead

do you use Desperado on the MKII?

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + ghost/infernus

[faint beacon]

Carapace (Maulers, Crushers, Ragers)

or Bosses

[sullen scarab]

ye

[narrow frost]

plasma head

[faint beacon]

thats kinda the Bread and Butter of Kraks

[sullen scarab]

oh yeah is it true that like, you can roll the grenades now to not have them stick

[faint beacon]

oh yeah forgot

plasma

fuck him I hate him

[gilded wraith]

Ghost looks nice with plasma gunners in the wild.

[tall torrent]

Nah cuz headshot on carapace with laspistol does like 2 damage

[sullen scarab]

also Flak/Maniac for the MKII?

[tall torrent]

Works

[midnight wyvern]

meat

[gilded wraith]

More defense before you notice them.

[sullen scarab]

ok done

i think I"m good now

thanks for the help!

[tall torrent]

And IJ at max stacks gives +10% dodge distance and +10% dodge speed which is huge

[faint beacon]

gonna try this build I cooked up out on Vet real quick

and then do Unfaltering IJ RB

[hollow ibex]

Marty better

[tall torrent]

20% damage
20% atk speed
10% dodge distance
10% dodge speed
8% toughness per second

Mogs martyr so hard

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/brilliant-i-like-this-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-richard-hammond-gif-18951630

Marty4Life

[faint beacon]

Im still staying a humble BP user

[tall torrent]

Piety got buffed too

But biggest glow up is IJ

[faint beacon]

Naturally

I know I asked Ainz to make sure with this but Blinded by Blood is a global buff

as long as the Zealot applies the bleed first

[quick seal]

What is the best way to suppress using Infiltrate?
i.e., what's the fastest way to complete Unseen predator

[sullen scarab]

Dude with the Autofire mod this las pistol mkii with this build is cooking lmao

[hearty panther]

that 10s duration node is also pretty huge

[tall torrent]

I think if u play IJ evis XV then u can afford piety pathing for better crit

But for relic blade I take unfaltering

[faint beacon]

So I came up with the idea to just run Bistol or Bolter with Puncture and Taxe and its just stupidly fun

[faint beacon]

big pack of shooters

[sudden cedar]

@quick seal There used to be a talent that surpresses enemies around you when you leave Infiltrate. If that is still there, use that and leave infiltration in like a horde or something.

[tall torrent]

All 3 nodes worth taking

[faint beacon]

exit infiltrate

its that easy

[hollow ibex]

Mortis trials maybe

[faint beacon]

when you leave infiltrate is suppresses all enemies that can be suppressed

basically just play Infiltrate thats all its encouraging

[quick seal]

Does leaving infiltrate inherently suppress enemies? So basically just leave infiltrate around enemies. Does Infiltrate have a way of suppressing while in infiltrate? or is it just afterwards

[faint beacon]

Yes

and then no whilst in unless you're underhanding frags technically

strictly afterwards with infiltrate once you exit it supresses any enemies that can be suppressed

[sudden cedar]

Oh yes of course, i did not think of that.

[faint beacon]

Groaners, Shooters, and Gunners are like the big 3 that can be suppressed

[sudden cedar]

The enemies that are near you have to be able to be surpressed.

So what was said earlier, groups of Shooters or Patrols.

[quick seal]

ok thanks for the tips. I spent my entire veteran career playing nothing but shout. The only penances left are marksman's focus and infiltrate

[sudden cedar]

Trash won't count, i.e. Poxwalkers and Groaners.

[faint beacon]

Groaners shockingly are effected iirc, its been a minute

but poxwalkers

no

they do not get suppressed

[sudden cedar]

They are?

Man.

[faint beacon]

Only melee unit that will actively cower in place

[sudden cedar]

I guess they just die so quickly i never noticed.

[faint beacon]

Yeah I mean

fair point

LMAO

[tame lodge]

So go havoc 21st moebians

[faint beacon]

I can check real quick to back this up

[tame lodge]

Stealth near them

[faint beacon]

I honestly cannot tell if they're being suppressed or not

[hollow ibex]

ngl i've been really enjoying stealth

despite the cdr nerf

fuck voc

going back to maining stealth

[faint beacon]

cause im testing it out and some that aren't effected are still rushing me down and engaging in melee

the others sit back for a second do a homeless man taunt by like raising their melee for a second or sitting in place

[willow prairie]

its ok you can play zealot

[faint beacon]

and then start engaging

[hollow ibex]

zealot doesn't get frag grenades 🤤

[faint beacon]

However shooting near them does make them cower

[fair shale]

I just did that penance running around and unstealthing near things

[willow prairie]

immolation, good enough

[fair shale]

Like I didn't feel like it had to be "farmed" or required dedicated brain energy

[willow prairie]

also stunstorm is actually good wtf

[hollow ibex]

better nade, but way fewer of them

[willow prairie]

i tried it once

shit will stun lock the entire room

except mutant

[hollow ibex]

did they buff it?

[willow prairie]

I don't think so

but tree change make it way more viable

[midnight wyvern]

[tame lodge]

Not recently

[midnight wyvern]

the uptime on IJ looks good too

[tropic notch]

It is

[hollow ibex]

not as good as marty uptime

[sharp epoch]

i think even voc might not be as good as exe stance now the uptime is trash

its probably like 20-25 seconds now with tac awareness realistically because your not killing a specialist every 3 seconds exactly

[turbid ibex]

VoC is still really strong

just not as braindead easy to spam anymore

[mortal aspen]

20 seconds CD means 75% uptime

that's bonkers

honestly it's just insane if you think about it for a second

[sharp epoch]

the thing is its a weaker ability compared to other classes so spamming it was what kept it on par with them

[mortal aspen]

baseline, no CDR at all it's already 50% uptime

[turbid ibex]

no lmao

15 seconds of gold toughness, gigastagger on a big radius, fully replenishes your toughness

[meager echo]

but no gold toughness = require thinking man. I dont want to think haha.

[hybrid plover]

VoC is still dumb strong as an ability but in practice, exe stance can actually grant you more because the uptime can be virtually 100% at all times assuming you kill your targets.

[turbid ibex]

exestance also more fun tbh

[hybrid plover]

And that's actually a big deal.

Because exe stance also gives you wallhacks so you can prepare for a situation before it goes wrong

[turbid ibex]

i still think VoC should be reworked to be primarily something to buff your team's killing power

instead of the current "get out of jail free card" it is rn

[crimson wyvern]

through blood and tears on auric quicklplay ive done my 20 captains

[meager echo]

If they remove gold toughness, I think people might just move to more durable class like ogryn or arbites. It's the only point of vet atm.

[slow spade]

Vet still has ammo regen

[hybrid plover]

Vet has immense dps potential right now.

And survivalist.

[turbid ibex]

and his grenades

[fair shale]

Yeah, vets purpose. Handing out ammo to everyone else lmao.

[sonic kayak]

I use VoC for the stagger, I don't care about the golden toughness, even in Havoc

[slow spade]

though you are right that losing gold toughness VoC would reduce a lot of team value

[meager echo]

Bro without gold it's actually hard to play.

[fair shale]

Unironically please bring field improv on vet, handing out nades to the team is one of the best things you can do and I see so few vets with it

[sharp epoch]

having that 10% toughness regen on exe stance and the uptime of it is way better than gold toughness

[turbid ibex]

thats the point

[meager echo]

Meanwhile play ogryn/ arbites same or more dmg out put, less effort.

[sharp epoch]

arbites is more damage output

[hybrid plover]

That used to be the case

I outdamage arbites regularly on vet now lol

[sharp epoch]

and less effort

[meager echo]

Without gold, I doubt vet can play as aggressive as right now, to deal optimal dmg.

[hybrid plover]

Have you actually tried it?

[slow spade]

na you just have to ask them nicely to not hit you

[hybrid plover]

Real talk.

[sharp epoch]

Well you can you just have to play almost perfectly, I was running exe stance melee vet

[turbid ibex]

you 100% can

it just takes actual skill

[sharp epoch]

vet just can't make as much mistakes as arb and ogryn for about the same results

[hybrid plover]

That passive regen from exe stance makes that more possible than you realize.

[meager echo]

I am pretty sure I don't have the skill for that

[sudden cedar]

@turbid ibex And, as we know.. .. okay maybe i shouldn't continue.

[turbid ibex]

then that is quite literally a skill issue

[slow spade]

add 10% toughness regen on exec stance -> add an enemy that instantly removes toughness and reduces regen by like 80%

[meager echo]

yup, no shame knowing your own limit.

[hybrid plover]

Okay to be fair. I guess it is more effort to do that without gold but

[slow spade]

what did they mean by this

[sharp epoch]

Also you can play perfectly and still get outdamaged by psykers in havoc they're really strong this time around idk why they weren't buffed that much

[hybrid plover]

Thing is, gold ain't even that dependable anymore

[sudden cedar]

It finally added a threat that can't be overcome so easily.

[fair shale]

They've always been that strong

People wanna talk about arb and og but a good psyker will solo carry the hardest content and always has

[sharp epoch]

Yes but never like 2 mil damage in 34 minutes while everyones at 750k

[slow spade]

just don't ask them to solo bosses :c

[hybrid plover]

VoC uptime just isn't as good.
You can't spam chorus as much either.
You have two enemies that completely ignore it now, including one that isn't hard to get caught off guard by

[sharp epoch]

Probably the modifiers

[sudden cedar]

Totally possible.

[slow spade]

it takes so long

[fair shale]

No, they ask you for that so they can do a penance

[slow spade]

pain

[meager echo]

I say it's a team effort thing. You have enable psyker to be on purgatus most of the time.

[umbral scaffold]

Psyker kiting a boss until the end of times by just blocking with KD

[hybrid plover]

I'd rather just learn how to play without the stuff at this point.

[sudden cedar]

Purgatus isn't even the strongest option that Psyker has in its arsenal.

[fair shale]

Exactly

[slow spade]

purg buff when?

[sharp epoch]

arb and og are just braindead for the amount they do, they can take 10x more hits than other classes and still dish out more damage

[meager echo]

It is in havoc due to body hitmass increase.

[hybrid plover]

And it's more fun that way and you're still providing value to your team with that passive regen anyway

Because a lot of people are probably picking born leader

Which is absurdly good

[slow spade]

I thought most people picked Demo Team

because more boom

[umbral scaffold]

They buffed born leader?

[sharp epoch]

demo team > born leader

[umbral scaffold]

Last I heard it was pure meme

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-f-thats-such-a-great-idea-saturday-night-live-weekend-update-thats-a-bad-idea-i-dont-know-about-that-gif-20523222

[sharp epoch]

they buffed by 5% its still pretty much a meme

[slow spade]

yes, Born Leader vored Charismatic

so it gives +50% coherency range too

[umbral scaffold]

Glompfed, even

[hybrid plover]

Confirmed kill + out for blood plus that

The regen gets nuts

[sharp epoch]

out for blood would give 1% toughness to teamates every enemy and ck gives 2% right

[fair shale]

Im gonna be honest I dont think vet needs to hand out miniscule amounts of toughness

Like it's QoL but Arb and Og are fine

Psyker has ways to figure it out

Zealot is Zealot

[sharp epoch]

other classes have basically infinite toughness gain anyways yeahhh

[fair shale]

The gold toughness hand out is cool cause its a lot fast and it goes above max

[slow spade]

Vet gets benefit from the +50% coherency too

[sharp epoch]

I think shout was more necessary before because vets toughness gain is shit

[slow spade]

as a lot of the talents are coherency based

[fair shale]

Id take it for the charismatic over the regen

[slow spade]

like ammo regen, demo team, Focus Target, etc

[meager echo]

Realistically I don't think they ever remove gold toughness, people will definitely throw fit and review bomb like PS nerf situation. I think they just nerf plasma gun and new tree number.

[fair shale]

The shout helps the team tho

[sharp epoch]

but executioners stance ironically will probably make a better melee vet now

[slow spade]

yeah

it's just a shame it's still 25% damage, 25% weakspot rather than its old 50% damage buff :c

[unborn perch]

What kind of uptime are we seeing on Competitive Urge?

[slow spade]

fairly consistent, the problem is it's down when you need it

[fair shale]

Remember when Exe stance had like 80 percent damage resistance on it

[sharp epoch]

the uptime is really bad at 20ish seconds for a little stagger and gold toughness, sometimes you just need to use abilities for yourself

[slow spade]

AKA when teammates are getting fucked up

[slow spade]

indeed c:

[sharp epoch]

thats castigators stance now and nobody bats an eye

[crimson wyvern]

you can play without gold as vet it just takes experience and training, source: True level 230ish vet that was always playing exe stance and hellbore as a main even before this recent update

but glad the update got other people trying it

[sudden cedar]

230 isn't even that high

A lot of time spent, sure, but it makes it believable to achieve with even more experience

[slow spade]

omg guys what build should I do UwU

[fair shale]

God, the classic. I miss it sometimes lol

[crimson wyvern]

Its not to impress you, its to stop the accusations that im some no nothing new player thats just saying shit that I got the other day

[sharp epoch]

too bad they got rid of the auto reload on exe stance it wasnt even very good tbh

[meager echo]

Sure you definitely can do without gold toughness but what's the point, Just move to ogryn easy toughness regen, dmg reduction and more dmg out put.

[unborn perch]

So do I sometimes lol

[meager echo]

The path of less resistance...

[willow prairie]

man i need to play ds1

undead crypt is ass

[sudden cedar]

@crimson wyvern May have come wrong from me too. I really just meant, if 230 True Level as in time spent is to show that it is possible, it is even more so possible with more experience

[sharp epoch]

The only reason people would realistically stay is cause of just class identity or the unique weapons like ps, but yeah arb and og do vets job better

[crimson wyvern]

ah fair

[sudden cedar]

Of course, time spent does not really translate will if you don't play a certain build to accustom yourself with it.

[slow spade]

lvl 900+ true level Vet here, you should take Cloak and run ahead of the team to start events earlier

[sudden cedar]

If you only ever play with Shout, you become reliant on it.

[unborn perch]

It really aggravates me that For the Emperor got nuked

[fair shale]

I wonder what my true level would be if I didnt delete my OG vet

[grand perch]

why, that talent barely did anything

[slow spade]

it also aggrevates me we STILL don't have a way to shout "For the Emperor" on reflex

like bruh

[sudden cedar]

We have a scuffed version of it.

[sharp epoch]

I got 2 vets too, I made another one to change names then they added name changes in the barber shop

[sudden cedar]

Where you roll the dice of what you get.

[meager echo]

With gold I think vet is easier to play than ogryn/ arbites. Without it, too much effort for minimal return.

[fair shale]

I deleted my former vet cause I spent 7 months trying to godroll a MK1 IAG before lock changes and couldnt so I was convinced his rng was cursed.

[crimson wyvern]

just playing every class a good bit helps you not view the game through a very putrid lense of "just play meta, play strongest class"

[sudden cedar]

...

[sharp epoch]

arbiter and ogryn still were easier to survive on than a gold toughness vet unless you just ran ds and ran

[fair shale]

Thats coincidentally also why I quit the game for a year or something

[sudden cedar]

@crimson wyvern Aye.

[crimson wyvern]

Playing exe vet legit made me way better at other shooters unironically, (but I was shit before)

[fair shale]

I like every class but zealot ngl

[slow spade]

play every class for fun 🙅‍♂️

play every class so you can hate them accurately 👍

[sudden cedar]

Whats so wrong with Zealot?

[fair shale]

I just don't like what they do/haven't found a build i enjoy

[meager echo]

I have 400+ zealot and I am ass as zealot

[sudden cedar]

@fair shale Fair enough

[meager echo]

I am very aware of it.

[willow prairie]

unemployment visualized

[slow spade]

just pick up a Relic Sword and suddenly it's like you're a WS Vet UwU

[sharp epoch]

I don't like zealots weapons tbh

[tropic notch]

What weapon do you like to use?

[crimson wyvern]

I draw furry porn for a living and live in a house that I paid for with said money. I dunno if this is a W or a bigger L

[fair shale]

For zealot or at large

[sudden cedar]

@crimson wyvern

[tame lodge]

Well

Uh

[willow prairie]

My beloved said you should jump off a bridge

[slow spade]

brb visiting a pet store for references

[tropic notch]

For zealot

[fair shale]

Massive W, make that bread, fuck a 9-5

[fair shale]

I kinda don't. My favorite weapon was Evis which kinda just eternally sucked.

[tame lodge]

I heard that THAT specific type of art is infinite money glitch

[meager echo]

I feel attacked. I have 300+ arbites. unemployment behavior

[turbid ibex]

W

[tropic notch]

It was buffed and is now amazing with crit

[fair shale]

Does it like, not get stuck on the 3rd poxxie anymore?

[willow prairie]

evis still kinda ass unfortunately

chainsword is like better

[fair shale]

Yeah, thats my understanding

And i can CS on most classes

[willow prairie]

chainsword is like

90% the damage

2 times the attack speed

[fair shale]

Chainsword doesnt kill your mobi when you rev it too iirc

But nah I like evis which afaik is not a good pick, I don't like any zealot nade, and I dont love their actives

If i want to flamethrower i can purge staff

If I want to big sword I can force GS

[willow prairie]

force gs kinda mid ngl

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e88a554-4683-4ec8-994b-3a493e2d2073/terrible-crit-zealot-build evis is moblity dump, flak maniac, shred perfect strike

[fair shale]

I dont use it cause its good fwiw

[willow prairie]

evis15 cleave dump
evis3 mobility dump

[willow prairie]

real

[tropic notch]

It’s on demand room clear

It’s pretty good

[meager echo]

I remember the time, when evis 15 qq cancel is most broken shiet in darktide .

[fair shale]

Ive played builds using these same talents and i just do not find zealot fun to play, ty tho

At least the big boys

Knife, Charge, etc

[tropic notch]

[azure narwhal]

Now that zealot got a stupid easy to proc cleave talent, you could in theory sacrifice perfect strike off of your evisc. Leaving 2 offensive blessings to actually deal good damage. I use shred and bloodletter with full piety tree

[tropic notch]

Don’t drop p strike

[azure narwhal]

Get about 65-70% crit mid fights

[tropic notch]

It’s inf cleave

[azure narwhal]

It's not necessary anymore, you get the cleave you need from talents and attack speed too

[tropic notch]

[tame lodge]

Counterpoint

[tropic notch]

Run what you want

[fair shale]

Like ig I could be convinced to use Relic Blade?

[tame lodge]

Cleave through carapace

[tropic notch]

Relic is amazing

[fair shale]

Ik, its not as "warhammer" as Evis tho, yk?

[slow spade]

relic blade is peak

[tropic notch]

It’s 50 more cleave at max stack vs inf cleave lol

[slow spade]

just keep in mind its single target damage is a bit lacking compared to PS funnily enough

[azure narwhal]

You can nearly 1 tap crushers already with crit that high though

[tropic notch]

Take the inf cleave

[fair shale]

Makes sense ig, its a war sword

[azure narwhal]

I just prefer stronger TTK than cleave

I have enough for hordes

[tropic notch]

It’s actually what I run atm in him with ij

[willow prairie]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ffaec8c-f92a-465f-a24e-369431bcf351/as-2

[slow spade]

dueling sword UwU

[willow prairie]

try this

bleed knofe

[azure narwhal]

Disgusting

DS on zealot

What 40k heresy is this

[fair shale]

Im ngl they never should've given DS out to the other classes

[turbid ibex]

true

[azure narwhal]

100% agreed

[tame lodge]

Well if you prefer ttk

[azure narwhal]

There should be strict lockdowns on every weapon, tied to class

[tame lodge]

Don't take Bloodletter on evis

[willow prairie]

"ds is broken on vet", "ds is broken on zealot" people clearly never used it on psyker lmao

[tame lodge]

6 stacks against carapace is 68 Dmg total

[turbid ibex]

ok thats a bit too far

[fair shale]

Remember OG infinite dodge force swords?

[azure narwhal]

That is for scourge, got nothing to do with actual bleed damage

[turbid ibex]

not every weapon should be class exclusive

[fair shale]

I can try it ig, I run a bleed knife on vet tho.

[willow prairie]

it's way more consistent on zealot

[tame lodge]

Still
Bloodletter on evis is not good

[slow spade]

they should give plasma to Psyker

just because I'm curious what would happen

[fair shale]

Wdym?

[willow prairie]

piety

[tropic notch]

@fair shale https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dda22ad-68a6-4234-8df3-7fea5a87a024/terrible-non-crit-zealot-build relic blade is carinal wrath , flak unyielding, mobility dump

[azure narwhal]

Yet it pulls better single target dps than perfect strike and shred, what else would you take

[tropic notch]

Both are

[willow prairie]

relic blades don't really need flak

[tropic notch]

Ij is extremely easy

[fair shale]

What if I dont like FoTF?

[willow prairie]

even when not activated

[tame lodge]

Rampage (better damage overall)
Bloodthirsty Evis15 (guaranteed CRIT kills everything)

[tropic notch]

You can use whatever this is just what I use

[fair shale]

Alright

[willow prairie]

what perfect strike do again

[tame lodge]

4 times the cleave

[tropic notch]

Inf cleave on crit

[tame lodge]

Cleave past Carapace

[willow prairie]

yeah but its on evis

[tame lodge]

Both on crit

[tropic notch]

It still needs it

It’s a crit weapon lol

[azure narwhal]

Rampage isn't really consistent with single target though, that won't really work if you're facing say, 10 maulers, also i dont use XV

[willow prairie]

it's have good finesse multi yeah

[tropic notch]

Bleed is only good with rending it’s not worth if you don’t have that

[tame lodge]

If you are facing 10 maulers
Perfect Strike value

[azure narwhal]

Bleed is for scourge proc in this case to reach 60%+ crit alongside piety

[tame lodge]

Cleaves past carapace

So maulers carapace can't stop your cleave

[azure narwhal]

That is fairly situaional though, i often find the moment fights break out whatever group of enemies is present immediately spread out, through many factors

[willow prairie]

bruh just take the bleed talent

it's literally free

you're running piety anyway

[tropic notch]

Dawg you proc it on crit

[meager echo]

I don't know why people asking for DS nerf. With body hit mass of havoc DS can't even deal with horde. It's strictly for single target dps. I don't even use it on vet, it's facking ass. If people want challenging gameplay why don't they bring something else instead of complain about DS, it doesn't make sense to me.
Removing DS people just run knife like before, then what remove knife ?

[tropic notch]

To snowball crit

Run what you want

[azure narwhal]

And now you proc it on ability activation too, making it further consistent in every case

[tropic notch]

He doesn’t know

[willow prairie]

he doesn't know

[tropic notch]

Not a knower

[fair shale]

Yeah, use your bare hands like an actual warrior.

[tame lodge]

havoc mentioned

🗣️

[willow prairie]

most fun game mode in the game

(if they nerf plasma gunner)

[tame lodge]

The hordes? Yes

Everything else

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-dog-sleeping-sleeping-dog-dog-sleeping-tiny-eepy-dog-gif-2292331323183720739

[willow prairie]

it might be placebos but i feel like gunner isnt as deadly as before

[meager echo]

isn't chaf in havoc 3 body mass. And Ds like 4 cleave. Best you can do is 1 mob per light ? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[fair shale]

Playing Havocs has absolutely ruined the concept of doing auric for me ngl

[tropic notch]

With shred and bp active you have 50% crit , 30 from scourge you don’t need to rely on that for crit lol

[tame lodge]

Legit the only thing that keeps me on havoc is the best hordes in the game

[tropic notch]

It’s not worth

[willow prairie]

new auric is like havoc lite which is nice

[tame lodge]

But I haven't played h40 in a while

[fair shale]

Id like to actually climb in havoc but that is. Not fun.

[tame lodge]

Manually demoted myself to h25

[fair shale]

What is like, the optimal time of day to do a havoc queue

Cause it for sure isn't evening eastern time

[azure narwhal]

How though, say in this case, you're comparing consistent +30% crit with minimal setup, vs +10% crit dmg and infinite cleave

[meager echo]

For auric gameplay, Ds doesn't even make it to broken tier. It's the god damn shotgun 3 of arbites. Have 2 arbites in the team, you have no target to kill.

[tropic notch]

It was never good on vet ngl power sword outperformed it in everything

[tropic notch]

When you crit you bleed, you keep hitting that bleeding target to stack it

[azure narwhal]

Power falchion is a based addition to the kit. Very fitting for the class

[meager echo]

It's good on auric where people running every where competing for kills, in havoc it's facking ass.

[willow prairie]

mk3 is ass in havoc because it has no good bp lol

also very limited range

[tropic notch]

You apply 3 stacks that’s all you need to snowball crit

And you apply more when you crit

[azure narwhal]

Yeah, that's how scourge works. Bloodletter is simply there to guarantee it in case piety is not enough, or fotf is in downtime, and you need that source of bleed

[tropic notch]

How are you not keeping piety up bruh

Run what you want

[willow prairie]

skill issue

[tropic notch]

[willow prairie]

actually even if you have skill issue piety is still up

because it count teammate kill

[azure narwhal]

Piety is not enough meaning, crit is not enough to proc in the moment i need it to. Piety only gets your crit up so high

[azure narwhal]

This is a build discussion what does this have to do with that

[meager echo]

Here's the point, In havoc DS is only for single target dps -> someone on your team has to do the horde killing for you.
Vet take frag to kill horde - > so your killing potential is cooldown dependent.
Psyker -> they are on staff 99% of the time, and deimos make more sense for defendsive blessing, or peril edge..
Zealot -> it's optimal due to crit rate for book cooldown.

[tropic notch]

It’s 50%

From shred, base, and piety

[azure narwhal]

It's dead obvious piety will always be up

[willow prairie]

I prefer ds for psyker in havoc because im the frontliner until i place shield

[tame lodge]

Zealot book mentioned

[tropic notch]

So you’ll have inf cleave

[willow prairie]

and ds help reaching defensive position faster

[tame lodge]

🛌

[meager echo]

The only thing DS has over Deimos is mutant ttk.

[tropic notch]

As long as it’s up

[willow prairie]

which is the biggest threat to psyker

deimos is technically tankier with deflector but i prefer ds due to speed and mutant

[meager echo]

there litterally no reason for psyker to take DS out and start poking crusher with the team.

[willow prairie]

preference

[azure narwhal]

Dunno, never felt that perfect strike has ever done anything big for me mid game. With bl i keep bleed stacks consistently up especially on monstrosities, sitting at about 70% on a regular, which provides better dps

[hollow ibex]

lol bleed shovel meme is actually good now

[willow prairie]

uncunny strike

[tropic notch]

Play havoc or be surrounded as zealot

[bitter turtle]

idk its not like its competing with much

oops quoted wrong thing

[bitter turtle]

i just take the bleed talent with every tree now tbh*

[azure narwhal]

This is what i use on havoc. I never find myself wanting in hordes

[bitter turtle]

though yeah uncanny +bleed is

[hollow ibex]

yeah + frags

[bitter turtle]

i think field improv is highly overrated but

maybe thats just me

and get back in the fight

idk how that survived

the rework

like that's the thing they were like "yeah this is fine"???

[slow spade]

it's just 3 mid talents

[hollow ibex]

it's fixed now

30 second cd

to 20 seconds

it's fixed bois!

[willow prairie]

field improv used to compete with demo team but it kinda easy to get in any build now

[sudden cedar]

Field Improv is invaluable.

[meager echo]

It mostly depend on the weapon. If you using high damage like rashad / PS6. You can not benefit from bleed.

[willow prairie]

it especially useful if you have nuke ogryn

[slow spade]

the bleed talent is like 30 damage if you don't have a bleed build

Field Improv can be used

Get back in the fight is just why

so Field Improv is really the only one that has any value for a good vet that's not using some knife build

[bitter turtle]

ppl barely even pick up grenades that are literally on the ground in my experience

im just like eeeeh at the idea its getting much value

[slow spade]

just use it yourself

fuck your teammates

[fair shale]

Field Improv might be the single best talent in the vet tree to actually make runs go smoother unless you somehow got paired with 3 psykers

[slow spade]

idk people think "omg my teammates though"

[bitter turtle]

half the ppl

[hollow ibex]

field improv just shouldn't be a tax talent

[bitter turtle]

who advocate this talent are like

[slow spade]

if you need to throw 8 nades at once, clearly you have bigger issues

[hollow ibex]

it should be one of the optinal ones

[bitter turtle]

"omg my teammates"

so idk

[fair shale]

Should've brought a plasma gun

[tropic notch]

It is

It’s not needed

[bitter turtle]

idk takes like "field improv is the best talent in the vet tree" just make me feel the entire conversation around it is unserious

[tropic notch]

Yeah it was never good

[meager echo]

Some weapon can not benefit from bleed. It's a situational pick not a bad pick.

[hybrid plover]

Me with my serrated flesh tearer knife tearing shit apart in a scab only yesterday

[bitter turtle]

yea but at that point we're doing the "born leader vs for the emperor" on the old tree

shit vs shit

[willow prairie]

power sword just kill before bleed get them lmao

[hybrid plover]

Unironically not a bad choice at all

[meager echo]

dood I thougt big cleave -> big bleed -> big dmg

turn out it's shiet.

[tame lodge]

battle of the mid.png

[hybrid plover]

Just light spam to get to 16 stacks and just push attack their cranium

[crimson wyvern]

with the new updates to the left most keystone that I always forget the name of despite using it religiously before and now post update, I've noticed if I'm on say 5 stacks, if I get melee kills it refreshes my timer on the stacks, I wont gain the 3 stacks if I were to headshot kill with my gun but it does refresh timer on kill with melee?

was that stated and I just glazed that over?

[bitter turtle]

im sorry

i have no idea what you just said

but yes

melee kills refresh the timer

if that's what you're asking

[crimson wyvern]

yeah thats what I was asking

[bitter turtle]

it doesnt add stacks but it maintains it

[crimson wyvern]

alright I must have missed that bit of text

[tame lodge]

Unspecified

So it's safe to assume works on ranged and melee

The stacking part is only ranged though

As it is stated

[bitter turtle]

yea

[crimson wyvern]

going to 15 stacks seems a little redundant now you can hold onto them better

[bitter turtle]

well

[crimson wyvern]

but i guess that is extra time

[bitter turtle]

you still get fatter bonuses

at 15

[willow prairie]

it still more damage

plus staying at 15 is trivial

[crimson wyvern]

so this will be 15 max stacks if you get to 15?

I assumed it only went to 10 even with 15

and the 15 was just buying you time

[hollow ibex]

no you just go up to 15

[crimson wyvern]

Ah so I was gaslit

[meager echo]

Honestly people are over-reacting about DS. Yes it is strong but in auric it's not even in the breaking the game tier. If you run into cleaver 4 ogryn, shotgun 3 arbites or assail gaze psyker there are literally 0 mobs for you to kill if they are good. In havoc that's shit is strictly single target dps.

[willow prairie]

yeah which is why it good on inferno psyker

[fair shale]

You play both zealot and psyker?

[willow prairie]

I play all classes

h40 all of them too

[fair shale]

Alright

Lemme ask you something then

Is Relic Blade or Force GS gonna be better for 2 handed sword memes

[willow prairie]

they're not even the same thing

[fair shale]

What does what better then

I took hiatus before they got added

[willow prairie]

relic blade is better

in everyway

[hollow ibex]

RB is the actual sword

[jaunty herald]

force greatsword is a sad being

[fair shale]

Does Force GS exist purely for the moonlight meme then?

[hollow ibex]

FGS is good

but a large part of its horde clear potential comes from its special