veteran-class

[pseudo fiber]

I've still not got he new mortis map

please

[jolly quail]

yeah me neither i gave up after 2 tries cuz mortis is kinda boring

[mighty willow]

Tide games and nurgle are like peanut butter and jelly

[obtuse raft]

It'll be a genestealer cult trust.

[jolly quail]

even in other 40k game it feels like nurgle is often the or one of the main antagonists faction

[obtuse raft]

I'm not giving up the second hive hopium

[jolly quail]

true it makes sense at least

[pseudo fiber]

GSC don't work with chaos

[mighty willow]

Because zombies and magicians look cooler than devils and horny devils

[jolly quail]

like in dawn of war 2 the greater daemon is an unclean one, it chaosgate daemonhunters u face nurgle cults and death guard, i think there was also another one

[jolly quail]

ehhh not necessarily

[sudden cedar]

The simple answer is..

[jolly quail]

horny devils look cool i think 👍

[sudden cedar]

Nurgle is quick and easy and there is not a lot you can do wrong.

[jolly quail]

yea i do agree

[pseudo fiber]

main boon is it has like all the ost in it which is nice

[mighty willow]

Have you seen how GW treats Slaaneesh and Khorne compared to Nurgle and Tzeench? 😭

[mortal aspen]

Nurgle is the one with zombies, it's really that simple

[slim pulsar]

i have not seen anybody with poxbreaker

[sudden cedar]

The other factions, exspecially Tzeentch and Slaanesh, they are way more difficult to portrait correctly.

You can see one now. I have it.

[jolly quail]

not really i mean i got into 40k like a year or two ago and have mostly been playing the video games, reading lore on the wiki and watching some youtubers

[pseudo fiber]

I've played with a few they're usually solid

[sudden cedar]

But the only thing it says is, you have killed 1 Million enemies.

[jolly quail]

like i know the drama about GW being dickheads and all but im not super knowledgeable about it

[mighty willow]

Unless, you slap a space marine warband to them

[sudden cedar]

It does not equate to any skill.

[mortal aspen]

tzeentch would have to have enemy psykers and teleport and all that bullshit
slaanesh is just no no because puritanism
khorne would probably work

[slim pulsar]

it does equate to hours

[jolly quail]

i really really got into the rabbit hole though in that short time lol

[sudden cedar]

A game that portraits Tzeentch and Slaanesh quite well is Rogue Trader.

[mighty willow]

Nurgle eats good, and the rest fights for scraps in the tabletop

[muted peak]

THESE DAMN BACKEND ERRORS

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-kong-the-new-empire-roar-scream-gif-17241283001357533318

[sudden cedar]

@slim pulsar Hours played does not equate to any skill. People can play 1000 Hours of Darktide and still suck.

[mighty willow]

I gotta play the game, aaaaargh

But

[jolly quail]

i did notice that it seemed like the death guard was the chaos faction with the most models even more than black legion

RT is really good we talked about it here like yesterday

[mighty willow]

Mucho Texto

[jolly quail]

yeah its verbose as fuck

lmao

[sudden cedar]

You can always just.. ignore the text.

[jolly quail]

it stuck with me on the second try

u definitely gotta be in a certain mood for lengthy crpgs like this

[mortal aspen]

it's not that bad, but as with all Owlcat games you want to spread out the NPC interrogations

[mighty willow]

I mean, that's half the fun of the game though

[sudden cedar]

Of course.

[turbid ibex]

Rogue trader is also a very story heavy game compared to darktide so it can actually elaborate much further on them

[mortal aspen]

they let you choose so many topics to discuss all at once and the gamer brain just wants to click them all right away

[sudden cedar]

@turbid ibex Thats the crux, yes.

[mighty willow]

I spent 10 hours on the tutorial

[muted peak]

Are you guys experiencing backend errors too?

[jolly quail]

agreed in a broad sense but theres other kinds of narrative devices though

[sudden cedar]

Although to be fair, Tzeentch is fleshed out way more compared to Slaanesh, yet Slaanesh still somehow works, even tho that part has way less.. screen time.. compared to Tzeentch

[jolly quail]

yeah the slaneeshi inclusion was a little bit half baked i found but eh

its whatever

[mortal aspen]

Rogue Trader is the best videogame to experience the non-war side of the Imperium

[sudden cedar]

@mighty willow So, you made it past the character creation screen, thats an achievement in itself.

[jolly quail]

its definitely the most expansive game about what actually goes on in the warhammer 40k universe

[mortal aspen]

(it's the only game actually)

[jolly quail]

loool yea its true

[mighty willow]

Nah twin, i keep redrawing the character portrait and going back to making a new save

[sudden cedar]

Fair enough

[fair shale]

Me watching the clearance 40 true survivor psyker blow themselves up under no pressure at mission start

[jolly quail]

almost every game is like "crusade this" "beat back the nids"

[sudden cedar]

@fair shale Yes.

[turbid ibex]

Like without all the plotting and scheming stuff what other things does tzeench cultists really have that screams "HEY WE'RE WORSHIPPING TZEENCH"

[pseudo fiber]

that's the real darktide endgame

[sudden cedar]

Well...in the grim darkness of the far future.. there is only war.

[mortal aspen]

and queues

[jolly quail]

i really enjoyed some of the games though, the IP as a whole was actually better adapted than i would have thought in the first place

[mighty willow]

"Thank God, finally a good Veteran Player"

And idk if i get flattered or offended by that comment when i hear it in pubs

[jolly quail]

like RT, chaos gate, DoW 1 and 2, gladius, battlesector are all solid to very good games imo

[turbid ibex]

Meanwhile with nurgle you have just throw in zombies, rotten flesh, disease and boom

[jolly quail]

birds

[fair shale]

I want to know why so many vets would prefer to die firing their gun than to ever even broach the concept of touching a melee weapon

Ik its "the gun class" but like come on

[pseudo fiber]

and it's not even that

[tall torrent]

no

[midnight wyvern]

you get pox bursters with that exact combo

[mighty willow]

Birds, and Blue, and Psychic powers, and Tentacles

[jolly quail]

u could have minor psyker enemies and shit like that

would be cool

[mortal aspen]

"the gun class" that has 25% attack speed for free, 50% crit chance, like 100% free damage

[sudden cedar]

@fair shale Because they suck at melee. And killing everything from afar is so much easier.

[pseudo fiber]

dw we'll be getting one of those in due time

[mortal aspen]

people just refuse to read the talents

[fair shale]

Exactly brother

Vet melee goes nuts

[mighty willow]

I usually get tunnel visioned sometimes on killing gunners or other specials so they don't harm my friends, but then i look back and i'm all alone with maulers closing in

[slim pulsar]

i like shooting darktide guns

[jolly quail]

u can just parry the maulers with ds now

its laughingly easy to kill them like that

[fair shale]

I love my funny mercy killer uncanny strikes knife on vet that thing goes crazy

[jolly quail]

like u can easily handle 2 or 3 at once with basically just the parry if theres no flamer or sniper shooting at u

[obtuse raft]

I'm not saying it's only recon las players but it's all recon las players

[mighty willow]

"Uhm, guys? Guys? Need some help here!"

And they are spamming M1 on trash mobs

[fair shale]

Tbf recon las is just fotm gun at the start if the game it was XII vets

Also smoke nades severely underrated

Especially now that you don't even have to path weird to get them

I see like 1/10 vets actually use them

[mighty willow]

Recon lasgun and that ugly helmet = "It's so over"

[jolly quail]

i only use shredders or kraks tbh

but i dont play havoc yet

[fair shale]

They are definitely much more noticeable in Havoc

[pseudo fiber]

Ain't tha tinteresting

[slim pulsar]

jokes on you i use the infantry autogun until i die instead

[jolly quail]

seems like smokes really start to be useful in havoc since ive read that gunners are a much bigger menace in havoc

[tame lodge]

It's funny

[slow spade]

they're the guys that cast "Mission Abandoned" on you

[tame lodge]

Because this vet is usually depicted as using melee

Luv me gas mask man

[fair shale]

Gunners are the biggest menace in this game across all difficulties but it is much more noticeable in havoc and smokes(with upgrades) will stop them from shooting you for 30 seconds with good use. Its like budget psyker bubble.

[atomic void]

in havoc the little mob shooters are more annoying than the actual gunners

a squad that has 20 of them will murder you

if they give u backshots

[slim pulsar]

good thing vet comes with a thing that highlights them

[mighty willow]

Usually i am trying to kill a sniper or a flamer while getting jumped by maulers

[jolly quail]

yea unfortunately

[fair shale]

This guy is the bane of my existence

[jolly quail]

for me specialists are definitely my mortal enemies

flamers tox bombers and snipers especially

[slim pulsar]

why snipers

[fair shale]

You'll learn to hate the scab stalker

[slow spade]

they should bring back the shooter change where stalkers shot more accurately and longer bursts UwU

[fair shale]

Baby Heavy Gunners im ngl

[jolly quail]

i started to play auric recently and feel like they start to get really dangerous there with the overall added pressure
and also i feel like its a toss up between them being in a spot where its relatively easy to kill them, or having the perfect assymetrical los where they can shoot me but i cant shoot them

[fair shale]

Snipers arent bad until there's a platoon of em ngl

[slim pulsar]

you can dodge the snipers

[fair shale]

You'll eventually muscle memory dodging them off audio queues

Won't even have to look at em

[slim pulsar]

unlike plasma gunners they actually have cues

[fair shale]

What in the name of the emperor are the plasma gunners

[jolly quail]

yea i mean i kinda already do but if ure fighting melee at the same time or something it can be hard

[serene sage]

basically tanky snipers

[slim pulsar]

new unit

[fair shale]

They're like, shotgunner spawn rate with sniper fire characteristics on top of a mauler frame

[serene sage]

with no laser sight cue

[obtuse raft]

Plasma gunners have great audio and VFX
After they have already blown a hole in you

[fair shale]

Nah I'm aware of that i mean who designed these things

[slim pulsar]

apparently this is what the community wanted

[slow spade]

they also have an AOE debuff that reduces toughness regen by like 80%

so even if you perfectly dodged, a scab stalker will just 100 -> 0 you instantly

[slim pulsar]

game devs confusing skill ceilings with frustrating mechanics is a classic

[slow spade]

if the debuff only applied on hits it'd be at least tolerable

[fair shale]

You notice they seem to shoot faster once they hit you too?

[slow spade]

dodged? took cover? behind a shield? na debuff'd

[slim pulsar]

they seem to shoot faster when i aim a gun at them

[fair shale]

Like the follow up shot is faster than the first

[jolly quail]

i noticed that as well

[mighty willow]

If snipers and scab gunners had a baby and the baby was on roids

[jolly quail]

does fatshark have a good track record at patching unfair enemies ?

[slow spade]

a lot of my damage taken comes from the fucking debuff rather than the plasma bolt

[willow prairie]

nuh uh

[jolly quail]

scat gunners is crazy

[slim pulsar]

the worst part of plasma gunners is how they spawn in damnation so i can't even have an easy time

who asked for lower difficulties to be harder

[willow prairie]

sorry it was me

[fair shale]

The worst part of Plasma Gunners is when I'm dealing with triplets and the director decides the ideal thing to spice it up is 12 of em

[slim pulsar]

step on lego

[obtuse raft]

Eventually

Shit takes like six months sometimes

[jolly quail]

ight

yea they seem slow

like id be fine with just a better audio cue honestly

[pseudo fiber]

They tend to let it settle

[slim pulsar]

letting the shit settle

into the festering wound

[slow spade]

I can't wait to be punished for playing correctly again

omg -80% toughness regen for not getting hit :D

[pseudo fiber]

Well more they realise this community can be spontaneous

let it settle then make appropriate changes

[jolly quail]

tac awareness is the only cdr node right?

[slow spade]

yes

[void dragon]

question: while a Veteran might not want the new Bistol Mk, would a zealot want it? to have a mobility stick that cc ranged enemies, or is the damage drop not worth?

also does it need collateral? should it dump mobility?

[slow spade]

no because it has no piercing and the ranged enemies are in the back

[jolly quail]

need to wait for rolling steel

[slow spade]

I'd personally dump mobility on the new bpistol due to stagger being its specialty

[pseudo fiber]

The plasma gunner is the plasma gun nerf

[jolly quail]

ppl seem to say you dump mobility on this one

[hollow ibex]

dump collat until the stagger calcs are fixed, then dump mobility

[jolly quail]

whats a quick mission other than rolling steel guys

[void dragon]

really? do we know something special? i was assuming that test could be janky since the stagger seems to be bugged

[void dragon]

roger captain

[jolly quail]

idk if it makes that big a difference anyways

[hollow ibex]

pls don't actually do that lol

[jolly quail]

but i would just stick to keeping the stagger on the explosive one

[hollow ibex]

nah it def barely matters

it's just that nobody can properly test stagger breakpoitns rn

so do whatever

[void dragon]

im talking all the bad decisions and crediting you for them good Sir

[slow spade]

Dump damage

[jaunty rune]

The ones where you wipe

[jolly quail]

no

[viscid trellis]

Minor nitpick but one motion should speed up the animation of swapping. Helbore lasgun can fire before the toggle lever is ever touched with it on

[pseudo fiber]

probably magistrati oubliette

[jolly quail]

not on the board either 🙁

[slim pulsar]

WHAT

oh man i've been waiting this whole time

[pseudo fiber]

Enclavum Baross?

[jolly quail]

out of luck brother

[viscid trellis]

Ty for proving why it needs to be speed up almost immediately

[pseudo fiber]

fug

[fair shale]

Silo Cluster, Chasm Station

[jolly quail]

ill wait i guess

logistratum it is then

lets see

[fair shale]

Hab Dreyko p fast too ngl

[atomic zephyr]

i just got mission aborted as i got into the evac

[jolly quail]

hmm hab dreyko i might get hit

[atomic zephyr]

wtf

[pseudo fiber]

speaking of any decent helbore builds?

[hollow ibex]

don't do hab dreyko if you're grinding for auric lol

[jolly quail]

no its not that

its the penance

[gentle lake]

God roll.

[jolly quail]

on overwatch

wait rolling steel just popped

[atomic zephyr]

wait does marksman's focus not have the crouching grants stacks thing anymore

[jolly quail]

im auric certified already now...

[jolly quail]

no but u dont need it anymore

u can move now

[viscid trellis]

no because moving doesnt lose stacks anymore

[jolly quail]

u can also have pretty crazy tougness regen

with the right node

[atomic zephyr]

ah i see

[hollow ibex]

MMF is good now

[pseudo fiber]

MMF is like fun

it's awesome

[viscid trellis]

Visual doesn't match gameplay makes it feel very awkward

[jolly quail]

bruh i lost hp inmelee at the very end of rolling steel

shit is stressful ngl

[tall torrent]

are u doing on overwatch & do u need help

[jolly quail]

i am doing need

i mean i would appreciate it but i already came one hit away

[tall torrent]

I can help

[jolly quail]

wouldnt want to bother

[tall torrent]

it's ez and fast

[jolly quail]

well if ure down sure buddy

[tall torrent]

u just jump off map at start

and I speedrun solo

[jolly quail]

ah i can do that

sure i guess

lol

[viscid trellis]

I forgot but does it still give you On overwatch if you dont take any hp damage from melee?

[jolly quail]

should i dm u my code or something

[tall torrent]

u can send it wherever u want

[jolly quail]

7452761473

[tall torrent]

yea

[tall torrent]

do u need event progress

[jolly quail]

oh no i did that already

its really just that penance ist my last one

[viscid trellis]

In that case double VoC go brrrr

[fair jay]

Man hot shot is such a mediocre blessing

[tall torrent]

nah just cheese it lol

[viscid trellis]

Only cheese I remember from back in the day was disconnect reconnect at the end.

[tall torrent]

rolling steel not good for it tbh

[jolly quail]

doesnt let me death drop

[gentle lake]

Rolling steel havoc 40 when

[viscid trellis]

All crushers you have 5 mins Final destination no items

[orchid hemlock]

4 Ogryns on rolling steel:

[pseudo fiber]

what's a good melee to pair with helbore or is it just power sword all the time

[fair jay]

i had a lot of fun pairing knife with it but uh i'm a weirdo lol

[orchid hemlock]

Rashad 😈

[fair jay]

the MK6 knife

[orchid hemlock]

Tac axe is good for low investment builds too

You know what no balls

Get CS 😈

[spice shard]

helbore bayonet

never have to switch weapons

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-duh-duhh-obviously-gif-16794513

[turbid ibex]

Whats dump stat on laspistol?

Mobility or stability?

[spice shard]

mobility

[pseudo fiber]

mobility but I don't really notice a difference with stab

[turbid ibex]

Now that i think about it

[gentle lake]

nobility

[turbid ibex]

I think i remember something about mortis trials giving a bunch of materials at the end?

[sudden cedar]

Yes...

[turbid ibex]

Guess i'll be doing mortis for the foreseeable future then

[frosty raft]

Do one havoc per week for easy materials.

[turbid ibex]

I havent even unlocked auric yet

[sudden cedar]

Time for you to do so.

[tall torrent]

tac axe is best budget melee

[turbid ibex]

Does auric give more materials

[pseudo fiber]

damn

I'll give it a tru

[jolly quail]

@tall torrent thank u buddy

hell yea

17 more missions and i got them all

[hoary marsh]

I am stuck getting the Krak Grenade kills, Smoke Grenade, and Infiltrator supression penances. So long on those. lol

[jolly quail]

smoke is pretty fast do it in mortis

take grenade regen build

spam smokes

into the hordes

[faint beacon]

Instakilled again by plasma gunners award

[west edge]

what should i use for dumpstat on plasma gun

[jolly quail]

69 charge rate 71 thermal

is the optimal

since it can be annoying to get if youre not loaded just make sure to have at least 71 thermal

until u get the perfect one

[pseudo fiber]

Other way

[solid talon]

Been trying out the autopistol on other classes and I kinda dig it. You guys think its worth running on Vet too? Or would I just be throwing?

[pseudo fiber]

69 thermal 71 charge

[jolly quail]

oops

[pseudo fiber]

@tired egret

we have the sacrifice

[hollow ibex]

outskilled

[hollow ibex]

it's good

mini vraks

[faint beacon]

top damaged with like over 2x with the Columnus III

its good

very good

[solid talon]

Hellyeah

[hollow ibex]

do you have a clip of how it got you

i want to see

[faint beacon]

Literally across the bridge

[jaunty herald]

Does the Falchion feel shorter than other swords in the game? It does for me

[faint beacon]

stray bullet agroed it

and it beamed me with another one immediately shooting at the same time

instantly downing me

which lead to a death cause then the rest of them agroed

and then dumped into me

also yes it was a wipe

[hollow ibex]

did you get any cues?

that they were firing?

[faint beacon]

No lmao

just BOOM

downed

[hollow ibex]

i fucking swear they're bugged

[faint beacon]

They need a massive tweak

[hollow ibex]

(removal from the game)

[mortal aspen]

it's a perfectly normal length for a sword

[solid talon]

The sword she tells you not to worry about be like

[ancient path]

does the clip size perk make the double barrel shottie a triple barrel

[turbid ibex]

Yes

[ancient path]

it makes up for the length with girth

[ancient path]

neat. i feel like there's a meme build somewhere with that

[mortal aspen]

WS already solves all the reloading issues by removing reloading

now I think about it, some weapons are bugged rn to have lower total ammo count and clip size

imagine if DB was affected by it too

single shot DB - now that's a meme

[faint beacon]

Apparently its all of them or something

being fixed 1.9.2

aka next update

[pseudo fiber]

All guns with an ammo stat have it set to like 50

or smth

[faint beacon]

Currently 1.9.1

[mortal aspen]

oh that's how it works, ok

[pseudo fiber]

why do the plasma gunners gotta debuff you too lol

like seriosuly

[tame lodge]

Plasma hurt

[faint beacon]

Idk

I'd be fine with it if they shot relatively slow

if they want to keep their volley shots

they should either tweak the debuff or remove it all together

[pseudo fiber]

lower the firerate and keep the debuff or remove the debuff and keep teh firerate

also make them glow like 2 times brighter

[faint beacon]

God please

make them far more obnoxiously noticeably

[ancient path]

i want to try out triple barrel shottie but playing not weapon specialist with double barrel feels weird

or without agile engagement

hmm i guess i could drop some other shit

[slim pulsar]

holy crap i literally cant find a match where i dont have to play the game alone

team dying instantly

[livid hill]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff9365c-4f2c-448c-a25b-4c947e9d44a0/pvt-vasquez

Thoughts on build?

[slim pulsar]

i had to solo an assassination mission boss right now

returning vet players are so bad

[mortal aspen]

skipping Iron Will is crazy

[livid hill]

ugh fine

[calm shard]

okay gun vet in havoc is pretty good

[calm shard]

def gotta run born leader tho

[hollow ibex]

and replace HH on recon las with dumdum

[calm shard]

born leader gun vet actually provides insane regen to your team

because you have insane regen on yourself xd

[jolly quail]

@orchid hemlock man ur vraks build is so fun

[orchid hemlock]

Huh?

[jolly quail]

the one u sent me yesterday i believe

just tried it out

[orchid hemlock]

I honestly don't remember

[tepid otter]

Would dmg against Flak still be better if im just aiming for center mass on a Boltgun

as opposed to Carapace

[hollow ibex]

Why not aim the head 🤔

[mortal aspen]

aiming is kinda hard

[tepid otter]

I still try to, but most of the time I just mag dump on a clump of elites

[solid talon]

Which do you guys prefer? Mk 7 or Mk 3 shovel?

[jolly quail]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[orchid hemlock]

Oh that build

[tame lodge]

Seven.... Seven seven seven seven seven seven

[orchid hemlock]

I still need to test it in Maels tbh

That's why I don't remember 💀

[jolly quail]

i was just sleeping on the weapon

[hollow ibex]

Mark 1

[solid talon]

Any particular reason why? I haven't really used the shovel any and its next on my mastery list

[jolly quail]

its a bit stressful at long range though

[solid talon]

Based poke enjoyer

[livid hill]

honestly disagree with all except the iron will and longshot, no offense. suppression is very good and free 10% crit chance on reconlas is not insignificant because the base is already 10% and then reciprocity

[tame lodge]

Better horde clearing prowess than mk3

[solid talon]

Gottchu

[livid hill]

and demo team is tbh unnecessary cause the nades already regen

yeah it gives you even more nades but like ive never felt wanting for nades with regen tbh

[orchid hemlock]

It's not free 10% crit

[mortal aspen]

60s cd is very long, you can't spam shredders as you can with demo team

[orchid hemlock]

I also don't think there are any suppression breakpoints that change with KTHD, and even if they did with recon you want their heads to stay still. Usually it is good on weapons you want to one shot with like plasma and bolt gun because you don't need to then worry about getting shot back and loosing the accuracy

[hollow ibex]

you can disagree, i'm just telling you what the meta is

[livid hill]

ok ty

[orchid hemlock]

If you lose accuracy, so what? Just hip fire the 500 other bullets you have in the clip 💀

[livid hill]

i dont want do like, die though

[turbid ibex]

Slide

[hollow ibex]

dodge and move more

[turbid ibex]

Also shredders

[livid hill]

wdym suppression breakpoints?

[hollow ibex]

you should never be relying on suppression

[orchid hemlock]

You can't suppress everyone

Only the things you are shooting at

The best way to deal with this is sliding

[hollow ibex]

suppression is just a cherry on top

never rely on it

[livid hill]

or like. both

[hollow ibex]

not when more than half the shit in the game doesn't even interact with suppression

[livid hill]

every time you reload? i mean, pretty much is. I reload a lot tbf though

[hollow ibex]

not worth a talent point

[orchid hemlock]

The first 20% of your clip is very low

In the grand scheme of the game it probably gives you functionally like 2% crit

[hollow ibex]

10% crit won't do shit for you anyway

[livid hill]

with shock trooper that 20% is gonna last longer

[orchid hemlock]

Also, recon wants crit to proc infernus and shock trooper

Not really for damage

[livid hill]

how do you figure

[turbid ibex]

10% longer

[livid hill]

yeah...?

[livid hill]

10% is not insignificant when your clip is 150

[orchid hemlock]

So instead of wasting a point on 2% crit, get more damage

The more damage you dot he less bullets you use and the more damage the gun and infernus does

[hollow ibex]

crit has very little value on recon once you max out infernus procs

[hoary marsh]

Yeah i got finish out krak first then im gonna switch. The worse I think was the marksman 2500 kills at 10 stacks. That one was a grind.

[orchid hemlock]

Like I said, crit is a utility tool for recon not damage

One of recon's major strengths is being able to use it for extended periods without reloading

[hollow ibex]

and not taking dumdum is just...

[livid hill]

highly disagree but tbh i dont think i can convince you

[orchid hemlock]

Like I can sorta see the angle of you really want to save ammo, but you might as well just get the las pistol at that point

[calm shard]

it's not an awful thing to rely on if you're running melee

[orchid hemlock]

Recon is the worst of the las guns at ammo economy

[calm shard]

and use a brauto or autopistol

[hollow ibex]

3 people are giving you suggestions to do something else

maybe you should reflect on that

[calm shard]

oh no hwe's 100% right

I play MMF vet

[hollow ibex]

ok make that 4

[calm shard]

It does fuck all for recon

Recon crits do not do a lot of damage

[hollow ibex]

personally i'm just pleasantly surprised when something is suppressed and stops shooting at me lol

[calm shard]

you're always better taking FT if you use a keystone

for recon specifically

MMF is crazy good for survival

but recon doesn't get much value out of its damage boost

[hoary marsh]

Marksman focus?

[mortal aspen]

the 10% crit after reloading is just anti-synergy

[calm shard]

yes

[mortal aspen]

why would you want to reload recon more often

[calm shard]

why wouldn't you it has the fastest reload of any (?) gun in the game

[orchid hemlock]

Nah gimmie that Las pistol 😈

Never reload

[hoary marsh]

Your saying recon doesnt get much out of it? I stronng disagree. It builds stacks crazy fast and maintains them better. Most of the time even without aiming.

[mortal aspen]

to the point where you take a talent to deliberately do it more often than necessary?

[calm shard]

right it builds and maintains them but...

like

[mortal aspen]

and for 10% crit only? hell naw

[orchid hemlock]

Recon has bad Finesse

[calm shard]

recon crits don't do damage

[orchid hemlock]

Do you get nothing out of the stacks

[calm shard]

so that 75% finesse from MMF is going to waste

[calm shard]

not nothing but not a lot

[orchid hemlock]

What they are saying is that it gets value purely from Tunnel vision

[calm shard]

you get like ~20 damage at full MMF stacks iirc

[orchid hemlock]

What's the percentage increase with all of the buffs?

[calm shard]

112.5% finesse and 15% reload speed

at full 15 stacks of MMF

[orchid hemlock]

Yes but I mean the total damage of a body shot or headshot

[calm shard]

oh uuuuuuuh

[orchid hemlock]

You said this like 20 damage increase

[calm shard]

haven't tested in a while it's not a lot tho

[orchid hemlock]

What was it before that is what I am asking

[calm shard]

224 on crit headshot with no MMF, 320 with

100 damage

[hoary marsh]

I mean sure its not the best. But finesse increases attack speed, crit bonus and weak spot hits. And with how quickly the recon shoots and building make sticks very quickly it defiantly does something.

[calm shard]

30% damage increase

[calm shard]

that is only for the finesse stat on weapons

finesse on the talent tree is just crit/weakspot damage

[orchid hemlock]

That's actually not bad

[hoary marsh]

So 30% more damage isnt a good boost?

[orchid hemlock]

But that is only crit headshots correct?

[hoary marsh]

On weak spot hits to.

[orchid hemlock]

Sure but it might not be the same amount of damage increase

[mortal aspen]

You can also get 25% from Skirmisher

on all shots

[calm shard]

222 crit bodyshot with MMF and 156 on regular crit bodyshot

[orchid hemlock]

That's not bad again 🤔

That's about 20ish %

[calm shard]

meanwhile FT gives 294 crit headshot (and keep in mind boosts infernus which is where the real damage is), and 208 crit bodyshot

the bulk of recon's damage is in infernus

[austere mica]

Agrivolver can just 1 tap reaper casually now??????

[turbid ibex]

No

It one shots competitively

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but I'm wondering if this is better or worse than FT

[turbid ibex]

Worse

[orchid hemlock]

I would assume FT is still overall better due to the flat damage increase

[turbid ibex]

Mmf doesnt boost burn

[calm shard]

and that's like

base FT

no extra stacks

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah that's what I thought

But Vraks 😈

[calm shard]

extra stacks 300, 229

[turbid ibex]

Pretty sure thats not a recon lasgun

[orchid hemlock]

Sorry I get cracked when I think about MF with Vraks 😞

[calm shard]

6 stacks +redirect fire does more damage than 15 stacks MMF, and still boosts fire

[orchid hemlock]

I'm actually thinking about dropping some nodes to get more finesse

I'm curious which one does more damage, LRA or Marksman? 🤔

[calm shard]

marksman 100%

I'd be surprised if it's even close

[umbral scaffold]

Eggheads breaking darktide science instead of breaking heretic backs

[orchid hemlock]

I'll break your back

[hoary marsh]

Well yes if your discussing meta. But Recon can still get allot of damage boost out of MMF. Generally against a broader range of targets like hordes. Pure single target DPS though is always gonna go to focus target though.

[umbral scaffold]

Anytime boo

Break me

[calm shard]

y are u shooting hordes with recon lasgun

[livid hill]

tbh im not sure why I did this, most of this is just gonna come down to personal opinion and I don't go for what's optimal anyways

[orchid hemlock]

Why would you ever waste ammo on a horde?

[livid hill]

sorwy ig

[umbral scaffold]

Because shooting shit is fun ?

[calm shard]

in their defense Mk XIV recon lasgun actually has cleave

[orchid hemlock]

Oh shit u rite 😈

[calm shard]

but assumedly they're not using that one

[orchid hemlock]

Not in havoc 💀

Unfortunately

[umbral scaffold]

I know I have cleared uprising many time

[orchid hemlock]

[hoary marsh]

Done plenty of games without ever touching melee weapon when built pure ranged.

[calm shard]

but also with that one...

doesn't need any keystone buff to one shot

or a crit even

[orchid hemlock]

What difficulty?

And how many ammo bags did you steal? 😈

[hoary marsh]

Damnation and up. Its not that hard if you are playing right and got a good team.

[calm shard]

shooting hordes already means you're not playing right tho

[orchid hemlock]

I would be very surprised even if you had unlimited ammo that you can hold off hordes in Aurics without ever putting the gun down

[solid talon]

Is the +75% ranged suppresion node worth taking with something like an autopistol/recon lasgun?

[calm shard]

Mk XIV recon lasgun 100% can

[hybrid plover]

Or a team that literally isn't using ammo at all

[calm shard]

thing genuinely deletes hordes

the other 2 not so much

[orchid hemlock]

True but I feel like eventually you need to put it down when the front lines starts clogging with maulers and crushers

[tame lodge]

No

[hybrid plover]

Maulers aren't that bad because of infernus

[calm shard]

it's still a recon lasgun it just burns the maulers to death

[hoary marsh]

Its team dependent. Why i clarified a good team.

[hybrid plover]

Crushers though

[tame lodge]

Those are good suppression weapons already

[hybrid plover]

Yeah

[calm shard]

crushers yeah you gotta stab them

[hybrid plover]

See that's kind of the problem though.

[calm shard]

golly jee if only there was some melee that could easily and quickly put down a crusher

[hybrid plover]

You need a specific team setup to even be able to do that.

[solid talon]

[mortal aspen]

Rending Strikes, Chink, Onslaught = profit?

[hybrid plover]

It isn't going to happen all the time.

[mortal aspen]

💀

[orchid hemlock]

Having other people carry your weight I don't think is a good metric to using it for wave clear 💀

Just help them out it's fun, don't you want to crack skulls with your Ogryn buddy? 😈

[hybrid plover]

Still gonna take a while to kill em because of the hp changes

[hoary marsh]

I got buddies that play constantly with, we synergies our builds together.

[hoary marsh]

To busy gunning down all the ranged targets so my teammates can do that. Lol

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think killing gunners and killing the horde are mutual most of the time

[void dragon]

ok i dont understand what was changed on the assault chanswords, are they any different from before?

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah empty your mag the moment you see gunners I want them to be swissy 😈

[hybrid plover]

Like don't me wrong. It can be a good idea to shoot a horde with ranged in short bursts to control it better but relying entirely on a ranged weapon is just not the norm in this game

Unless you're psyker.

[calm shard]

damage buffs, and their special attacks wee made better

[hybrid plover]

And using a staff.

[calm shard]

Mk IV got a new attack

[hybrid plover]

Or assail.

[orchid hemlock]

Leave horde killing to the Psykers

And elite killing

And boss killing

And shields

[calm shard]

me playing double barrel knife vet in havoc

[orchid hemlock]

And Regen

And CC

[hybrid plover]

My shovel must know blood.

[calm shard]

and blasting through crowds in record time

[calm shard]

psyker regen when they see the godlike powers of exe vet regen

[orchid hemlock]

Now if we are talking about DB, that changes everything 😈

[void dragon]

does it changed any perks or blessings it needed?

[hybrid plover]

In all fairness you do still have to get kills with the knife

But yeah double Barrel is kinda busted right now lol

[calm shard]

I dunno man probably not

[void dragon]

thanks, they do feel awfully mid-of-the-road so i wasnt sure what happened

[calm shard]

hey at least they aren't outright bad like they were before

[livid hill]

eh u were right on the opening salvo one. i'll do that for helbore instead tbh

[calm shard]

and are instead like...okay I guess?

[hoary marsh]

Any tested the blessing for power falchion the burst on end to see how effective it is? Debating on slapping it on to see what it does.

[calm shard]

cranial grounding and wrath are obvious best in slot blessings

every other blessing is niche and bad

[hoary marsh]

Does the burst on max meter even do damage?

[calm shard]

and those 2 obvious best in slot blessings aren't very good either

[calm shard]

no it's literally just a crusher/power maul explosion

no damage just stagger

in a pretty small radius

[hoary marsh]

Well thats disappointing. Saves me to time of trying it out.

[orchid hemlock]

Why do you even need OS if you have surgical?

[calm shard]

one shot headshot crushers

genuinely

[orchid hemlock]

Wait OS increase crit damage?

[calm shard]

Mk IV helbore narrowly doesn't one shot headshot crushers, and a damage blessing makes it continue to do that

Opening Salvo increases all damage...

it's a +damage blessing

[orchid hemlock]

Wait am I thinking of he wrong talent? 🤔

[mortal aspen]

Open Salvo just gives crit

[calm shard]

oh helbore doesn't even have opening salvo

[mortal aspen]

the talent on the tree

[mortal aspen]

checkmate, liberal

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-seal-kiss-cute-gif-26113415

[turbid ibex]

Meanwhile desperado giving unconditional +10% crit and +25% crit damage to melee

[calm shard]

imagine opening salvo was like 20 or 30%

infinite ammo recon lasgun with 90% crit chance from deadshot and reciprocity

[turbid ibex]

I'd rather they change the condition and give it some additional benefit

[mortal aspen]

hmm

how much crit can you stack?

[calm shard]

60%+10% base for ranged

25% from deadshot, 25% from reciprocity, 10% from opening salvo

then you could have 5% from perk on weapon

5% from psyker with crit aura

[turbid ibex]

10% from zealot with piety

[calm shard]

right

so you could theoretically have 90% crit chance

and then like

surgical for that last 10%

[livid hill]

genuinely sorry if I came off as rude, btw. I realise I can come off that way without meaning to

[hollow ibex]

Giving up weight of fire on mk iv

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-steve-carell-laugh-good-one-banana-gif-4958026

[calm shard]

okay but on an exe build especially with the new tree

how often do you actually need moe than like 1/3 charge to one shot something

[tame lodge]

What?
You haven't done that already?

💀

[hollow ibex]

god no

[hollow ibex]

i just full charge since i'm usually shooting elites anyway

[bitter turtle]

what perks do people run on plasma nowadays

[tame lodge]

Most likely flak Unarmored

[tall torrent]

Unarmored
Flak
Rising heat
Gets hot

[bitter turtle]

ty

[tall torrent]

Unarmored maybe not needed but I haven’t bothered to check breakpoints with the new damage talents

It’s not like there’re significantly better perks to take on it tbh

[bitter turtle]

is it just for the dreg gunners

[tall torrent]

No

Tox bomber too

In havoc

[bitter turtle]

oh right i forgot they existed

[tall torrent]

Cuz 1500 unarmored is pretty tough breakpoint

Except now vet can get really high damage

[slow spade]

I still find it weird tox bombers are unarmored

[bitter turtle]

god

i really fucking wish

they'd just add havoc enemies to meatgrinder

[tall torrent]

Maybe flak + elite??
since longshot is basically treated as 10% damage

[slow spade]

like they're clearly Maniac :c

[fair shale]

I run unarmored maniacs on my plasma for high havocs but thats cause I find it more annoying to not one shot dreg gunners than scab gunners and I use blaze away with that one heat perk that let's your shoot 12 times, personally.

[tall torrent]

It’s all math

[tall torrent]

After this patch I think flak better than maniac on plasma

Cuz u can hit for like 3k+ maniac headshot with plasma given skirmisher + EW etc

Which is more than enough to kill havoc flamers into the dirt

[fair shale]

Tbh I could logically see that, I haven't done extensive testing myself, i do however like unarmored on it

Drastically more useful than I previously imagined

[tall torrent]

Yea the tox bomber and Dreg gunner 1 taps are super nice

Breakpoint = ammo save

[mortal aspen]

I tried plasma for the first time today in Havoc and it's actually a fun weapon to use

the cleave is so stupid

[bitter turtle]

how is it

that after the rework

im still 1 fucking point off for laspistol build

lmfao

https://i.gyazo.com/e445ffbd771134f30a4f7a5d254c375c.png

missing exactly 1 point to pick up deadshot

[maiden crown]

How’s the new melee weapon feel?

[tame lodge]

Mediocre

[bitter turtle]

meh

[maiden crown]

Is it cool at least?

[bitter turtle]

you swing around an electric sword

is that cool to you

if so

yeah i guess

[maiden crown]

Sounds like the power sword

[bitter turtle]

yeah

but you dont need to turn it on every 3 swings

but in exchange it does a lot less damage

[pseudo fiber]

but you do half the damage to compensate

[bitter turtle]

like

a LOT less

[tame lodge]

💀

[mortal aspen]

the Duelling Sword build

need feedback

[bitter turtle]

10/10 looks like a sword

[undone vector]

is the stealth build still hot garbage

[bitter turtle]

it got indirectly nerfed

[tall torrent]

Drop superiority complex tbh

[slow spade]

ah yes the plasma gunner audio cue, the downed sound :p

[meager echo]

Is new vigilant autogun good now ?

[jaunty herald]

hnnnnng pew hnnnnng pew

[twilit heath]

Got a Helbore build, i 1 tap every enemy in the testing arena except the crushers, is that anygood? or is it normal 😭

[slow spade]

if it can't 1-tap Scab Captains, it's shit

[meager echo]

It has been always good before patch

[tame lodge]

Need a bit more work to 1 shot crusher

Easy

[twilit heath]

it usually caps out at 3600dmg

tbf i have 30 hours so not alot of experience atm

[hollow ibex]

Don’t worry about the one tap

Not worth building for

[jaunty herald]

Yes although behind helbore because of the Shock Trooper talent (Las-weapons consume no ammo on critical hits)

[tame lodge]

But yeah
That's the Helbore
Big game hunter

[twilit heath]

well its not 1 tapping more a inf ammo crit build

[meager echo]

oh cool, new 50% swap speed with hellbore is so sweet now. I kinda like it now haha.

[hollow ibex]

testing more

honestly i think mkv is the best helbore now

[native terrace]

Is the pinned google doc guardmans survivalist guide still relevant?

[turbid ibex]

somewhat

but most of it is def outdated now

[tepid otter]

How so

[native terrace]

Is there a better/ more updated sheet?

[warm schooner]

The patch has been out what, four days?

Path is just slacking smdhmdh

[jaunty herald]

Does the Falchion feel it has a shorter reach than other swords for anyone else?

[native terrace]

Thats not really what im referring to. Im a newer player trying to learn the game. if its behind by a patch, im sure its fine lol

[tepid otter]

Seems fine to me

[warm schooner]

It's a major patch, the entire skill tree got changed for vet

So it'll take time

[native terrace]

Besides the talents bit its fine yeh? Cool.

[turbid ibex]

the doc was actually already somewhat outdated for quite a while

[inland canopy]

there is a stab animation if you do heavy light attacks

[jaunty herald]

Another major update coming in December too. Potentially more updates to talent tree

[warm schooner]

Yeah everything needs a second pass for sure

[jaunty herald]

Yeah I am using Mk 1 for those light attacks

[inland canopy]

i do forget if it was light light light or heavy heavy light

[warm schooner]

Melee vet is a little silly right now

[inland canopy]

but the current veteran build has juiced up toughness

so if you just play with that and some of the stamina regen perks your survival is super high now

[hollow ibex]

with MMF hits all the breakpoints you need it to hit

while having a higher rate of fire than Mk3

and better boss damage

[tepid otter]

Wats MMF , sorry am not used to all the game term lingo yet

[hollow ibex]

bottom left keystone

[inland canopy]

marksman focus

[jaunty herald]

Marksman Focus keystone

[inland canopy]

marksman focus is now just insane

[hollow ibex]

yeh

wished the pathing was better

[inland canopy]

you choose keystone based on weapon potential now

[hollow ibex]

but the keystone itself is great

[calm shard]

.5 stamina regen delay pathing

humongous

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-mediocre-so-so-kinda-maybe-gif-13935570

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-be-mean-to-me-cat-cat-dont-be-mean-to-me-dont-be-mean-to-me-cat-don't-be-mean-to-me-gif-15497238928145977314

[hollow ibex]

i got too used to old vet's stam

even .75 delay feels incredible

[calm shard]

I play psyker!

[hollow ibex]

there's the problem

[jaunty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[hollow ibex]

where's the nearest barrel

[slow spade]

I love quickplay

[atomic zephyr]

so my favorite build seemed to have a bugged weapon on it, a combat knife whose plate is white with no icon

[supple laurel]

my ammo counter seems a little broken from the update lmao

[atomic zephyr]

whenever i mouse over it my game crashes

is there any way to fix it without just deleting the build

[tepid otter]

Repair game files via steam maybe?

[hollow ibex]

Turn off ammo gained in numerical UI

[atomic zephyr]

also completely unrelated, do you guys thing a braced autogun exe stance build is viable

[supple laurel]

do yk what its under in numeric ui?

im blind

[atomic zephyr]

oh you know what it was

my power falchion seems to have disappeared

completely

that was the last thing in the slot

[supple laurel]

maybe im building it wrong but

power falchion seems kinda bad

its okay

[calm shard]

brauto gun so no

[atomic zephyr]

it feels like a power sword sidegrade

[calm shard]

viable in aurics because of course

but no way in havocs

[supple laurel]

more of a power sword downgrade imo

[atomic zephyr]

i dont usually play havoc anyway, havoc is for meta only

[supple laurel]

it cant really kill crushers

[atomic zephyr]

so that's fine

[supple laurel]

or maulers

[atomic zephyr]

wdym? light-heavy chain on lawbringer falch

[supple laurel]

its carapace is horrible

[atomic zephyr]

true, not nearly as fast

but i hate reactivating the regular sword over and over

[tepid otter]

Whats Meta on Havoc as a Vet?

[atomic zephyr]

shout plasmagun probbaly

big zzzz

[tepid otter]

Huh, aight

[calm shard]

shout helbore power sword I would guess

[supple laurel]

i think flak carapace might be the go to for the falchion

[turbid ibex]

vigis are also pretty strong after the buffs

[tepid otter]

I also run this on falc

[supple laurel]

its maniac damage aint great either

it justs kinda mid

[molten anvil]

plasma

[supple laurel]

let me try carapace maniac

[turbid ibex]

no

[atomic zephyr]

should i just use this roll

[supple laurel]

nah shoot for a dumpstat where damage isnt affected

[turbid ibex]

until you find a better one sure

[molten anvil]

depends on how muhc money you have. mobility is the dump stat on that weapon.

60% mobility is what you want

[tepid otter]

I didn't stop rolling til I got the dump stat on mobility

[atomic zephyr]

yeah i got 8 mil i can spare

[supple laurel]

"no"
provides no better reason

[atomic zephyr]

time to lose money

[molten anvil]

👍

[turbid ibex]

no as in i will not let you try it

[supple laurel]

explode

what blessings yall run on it?

im running wrath cranial grounding but idk

[atomic zephyr]

bro as soon as i complain

i get a 60% dump in mobility

[tepid otter]

Same

[turbid ibex]

wrath cranial is the best pick ye

[supple laurel]

brunt doesnt wanna hear you bitch

[turbid ibex]

mostly cause the rest of the options are pretty mid or just outright dogshit

[tepid otter]

Thought Energy leakage was pretty alright

But then again, am not like too into the details on what I put into my weaps

[supple laurel]

even with carapace flachion has horrible carapace

it just cannot do carapace ngl

[hollow ibex]

Yes Brautos are good

[calm shard]

maybe with double rending talent it'll kill carapace

surely

[supple laurel]

wait what the hell

[hollow ibex]

Idr just look at the settings, should be there

[supple laurel]

thank you fartshark

all my talents reset

wrong photo

[calm shard]

yeah because the class got reworked???

the tree is different?

[supple laurel]

BROO ALL MY BUILDS 🥀

oomg

[hybrid plover]

Double barrel knife :)

[tepid otter]

First thing I checked was my loadouts

[hollow ibex]

And then there’s arbi

[supple laurel]

they reworked vet

seriously

[hollow ibex]

Barely gets touched. All builds gone.

[calm shard]

and zealot

and psyker

[tepid otter]

Had like 7 builds I had to trash cuz i havent been on for like weeks

[hollow ibex]

Yeah new tree

[supple laurel]

onslaught is in a good spot now

nice

okay nvm

i fw this new tree

[turbid ibex]

its def a huge improvement over the previous

it still has plenty of room for improvement though

[fair shale]

You can actually take some for fun nodes on vet now

Instead of "it costs everything to reach a capstone"

[turbid ibex]

tbh it still kinda does

5 point investment to reach a keystone when every other class only needs 2 to 3

[fair shale]

Yeah but like, I can take smoke nades without having to spend an extra 3 points now, yk?

[hollow ibex]

I swear vet is always getting cucked lol

Even with a rework

[noble zinc]

Imagine vets being good at range.

Or most of the ranged weapons being competetive compared to one another 🤔

[heavy rover]

you should give helbore + MMF a try

[fair shale]

You will use Plasma and you will like it.

[undone vector]

isnt it already the worst build in the game

by a huge margin

[hollow ibex]

Prob yah

[turbid ibex]

what build

[undone vector]

i dont mind if its bad/the worst but i should be able to atleast 1 shot gunner mobs after a stealth

[hollow ibex]

Though I will say infil vet has insane damage potential

[undone vector]

yea but voice of command exists

[hollow ibex]

In part due to WS

[hollow ibex]

VOC makes me fall asleep but yeah it’s stronger

[undone vector]

every 6 months or so, i logon to darktide again, play infil vet, get flamed and feel like my build is useless, swap to tank ogryn get bored and gg and i just dont understand how infil hasnt been buffed yet

[supple laurel]

i cant tell if this node is good

[fair shale]

Infil is bad due to opportunity cost more than anything infil is doing itself tbh

[fair shale]

Its very good if you can aim

[supple laurel]

infil is fun but honestly horrible

[fair shale]

Or if you fire plasma at head level

[undone vector]

infil has a lot of issues

but it is fun

[turbid ibex]

i wouldnt say its that bad

[undone vector]

you press it, heavy attack a mob, does half there hp and then your in a bad spot

[fair shale]

Well I mean who would you rather have around, free gold toughness for everyone or greed pick ability, yk?

[undone vector]

especially if no one is near you and you jsut get full agro even with the 90% reduced threat

[turbid ibex]

but its def nowhere near on par with exestance and shout

[undone vector]

ye i was playing rat build infil with full revive speed and infil uses to do objectives

[fair shale]

Thats the single best use of it ngl

[undone vector]

it was pretty good on objective levels it felt like, but the dmg was stupidly bad especially when arbites came out

i just uninstalled

[turbid ibex]

at least the damage bonus modifier is built in

[undone vector]

but im back for more disappointment 🫡

[hybrid plover]

It's good. But out for blood and confirmed kill are better

[fair shale]

Tbh

[hybrid plover]

Well

I guess it depends acruslly.

[fair shale]

I prefer ET to CK but OFB to both

OFB only in havoc tho

Where I'm gonna shoot plasma once and mow down 400 poxxies to kill a plasma gunner

[turbid ibex]

exhilarating takedown is pretty easy to activate, gives tdr and has pretty good uptime

[fair shale]

Yeah, its a really solid talent and you can proc it on anything

[hybrid plover]

Some things will just proc it more than others though

[turbid ibex]

all 3 of the top toughness regen are really good imo

[hybrid plover]

I think that's the key thing to consider

Like high rof weapons would benefit from ET more than lower I think

[turbid ibex]

eh idk

i feel its the opposite

[fair shale]

Plasma benefits the most cause you can headshot 40 poxxies as once

You'll just instantly stack ET blindfiring

[hybrid plover]

Yeah but plasma is just

[turbid ibex]

generally the lower rate of fire weapons are the ones you want to do headshots most with

[hybrid plover]

An outlier in that regard

It's not that you want to do headshots more with low rof

[turbid ibex]

and again keep in mind this is giving you +30% tdr

[hybrid plover]

Its that you end up hitting headshots more naturally with higher rof weapons

[fair shale]

Confirmed Kill just sucks when you get into a game where you cant get the elite kills

Whether theyre ragdolled or pounced or soul blazed

ET and OFB simply always work

[fair shale]

My secret is that I set my player character heights to where most heads are in the default aim position

Which is just a little under max

[turbid ibex]

wait does that actually affect camera height

[fair shale]

Yes

[turbid ibex]

holy shit

[fair shale]

It affects gameplay in general

[tepid otter]

me when i just like making my chars really tall

[fair shale]

If you set your character to a little under max height your default reticle placement will be around poxxie head height

Which means you can just

Plasma and stack ET in a shot

Or brain off melee a lil better

It does however mean taking cover is a lil harder

Double caveat tho its a little easier to see gunners in cover

[tepid otter]

Any good blessings to put into Plasma

[hybrid plover]

Gets hot + rising heat are good

[fair shale]

I like Blaze Away and Optimized Cooling

You'll hit Blaze Away after 5 shots and Optimized Cooling let's you fire 12 times, every shot past fifth should be hitting for around 1300 damage ish(weakspots)

[hollow ibex]

Nope

Literally nothing

You’re fucked

[tepid otter]

[floral creek]

Perks for plasma gun?

Damage VS Elites? Carapace?

[fair shale]

Unarmored and Flak/Maniacs imo

[floral creek]

[fair shale]

When I havoc vet i run a dump stat charge rate plasma with unarmored and maniacs currently but I've been told flak is very good currently so I'll be trying that with Blaze Away and Optimized Cooling

Works well

[supple laurel]

okay after fixing all my builds falchion sword has okay carapace

its not great but you can work with it

[calm shard]

Imagine?

https://fximgur.com/a/gi2bETj

technically not at range but it's a gun so

close enough

[drifting verge]

Best set up for power falchion?

[atomic zephyr]

did the brauto fall off or get nerfed or smth? i tried using it and it felt like i was struggling to secure kills

like magdumping half my mag to kill a rager

[calm shard]

nah its always been that bad

or well for a long time anyways

[atomic zephyr]

i swear i used to clean sweep rooms with it

[calm shard]

yeah it got nerfed...like a year or so ago?

can't remember

long time ago

[atomic zephyr]

man

[calm shard]

and hasn't been substantially buffed since

[atomic zephyr]

that would do it

that also explains why i stopped using it

[dry cloak]

Try ahotguns. They are bettee than they used to be

[jaunty herald]

cranial + wrath/heatskin
Flak + maniac for perks

[hollow ibex]

still does tbh

just run it with exec stance

[ember nest]

Falchion didn't actually manage to get me to like it 😔

Im sure someone's gonna find some cracked out build for it

Until then I'm not sold

Maybe it needs weapon spec

[hollow ibex]

That’s what it needs

Cuz it sucks and it needs WS to save it

[hybrid plover]

relevant to this chat

[tropic notch]

Falchion would be so cool if it was fucking good

[hybrid plover]

and i guess zealot chat too

[tropic notch]

Pls give it sunder

[tropic notch]

I dodge

[hybrid plover]

you've dodged the first one

and then four more shoot you at the immediate moment that your dodge frames run out

wdyd

[tropic notch]

I slide