veteran-class

[hearty panther]

I won't say no to upping some of their sound cues or visibility or whatever but I'm not at all bothered by their current interaction and design space

[mortal aspen]

they are completely neutered by smokes

they don't do a n y t h i n g

[ember nest]

btw are the chswords any good atm

[gilded wraith]

Sadly so is our grenade damage.

[mortal aspen]

for the events with plasma goon spam it's worth it

[gilded wraith]

Probably

[mortal aspen]

15s stun to a whole pack of them

and obviously all the other ranged garbage

[gilded wraith]

No mule kick?

[mortal aspen]

they don't even try to get close to the smoke

well, they do, but they don't walk inside

[spice shard]

is longshot finally worth taking?

[turbid ibex]

yes

[spice shard]

wheyyyyy

[mortal aspen]

it's a tax talent now pretty much, but a good one

[turbid ibex]

wdym tax talent?

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think this one is really a tax

OM is good on some builds

And longshit is genuinely good now

[gilded wraith]

Longshot and skirmisher are both good now.

[turbid ibex]

both reload perks are also neat

[hearty panther]

OM used to be a tax to O4B anyway

[faint beacon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff8b87c-a35e-4ee4-aade-f4af049e15cd/gales-havoc-columnus-iii-build

@shrewd nova @void dragon cause you two were interested

[gilded wraith]

Marksman and Close Quarters got indirect nerfs from the Tactical Awareness change.

[fading yarrow]

Yeah Longshot isn't a tax talent, you only need three talents to reach the Blitzes no matter which way you go

[faint beacon]

Had downtime thus I made it

[gilded wraith]

Field Improv as a tax is annoying. Wasted point if more than two veterans have it.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s why I go serrated usually now

[hearty panther]

i basically never want Field Improv, GBitF, nor Serrated, so that entire block is quite stinky

but alas

[faint beacon]

Serrated is just extra damage

Admittedly minimal

[gilded wraith]

Felt like the discussion went, "how do we force vet to bring field improv to havoc for my Ogryn?"

[faint beacon]

But damage is damage

So I’ll take it

[hearty panther]

yea its the least worst one

[turbid ibex]

why not field improv?

[hearty panther]

but if i could skip it i would obvs just do that

field improv is stimky

[faint beacon]

Purposely avoids field improv like a boss

[hearty panther]

like auden said, two vets makes it kinda pointless, but also, basically nobody else uses grenades

[faint beacon]

Mmmmm serrated stocks…

[hearty panther]

corruption cleanse on healthkits is cute but niche

[turbid ibex]

ogryn, arbites, yourself

[mortal aspen]

there are only 4 grenades in the entire game that actually need to be replenished with pickups

[hearty panther]

its really just us

[mortal aspen]

it's so fucking stupid

[hearty panther]

ogryn is rock 4/5 times, arby has timed grenade regen or dogbomb

[fading yarrow]

Also Demolition Team makes it so you have grenades pretty much all the time

[hearty panther]

zealots might have more grenades moving forward

[atomic void]

i pick up nades on arbi even if i have regen cause im him

[hearty panther]

like dont get me wrong between the three options to path out of the three there, ill probably be taking field improv

but i would prefer to take none of them lmao

[turbid ibex]

even if arbites is using lone wolf being able to get grenades from ammo crates means you have the opportunity to spam a bunch of them and then immediately fully refill

[faint beacon]

We have to put up with onslaught to abuse Brittle bleed

Weeps

[hearty panther]

yea, hypothetically

[hollow ibex]

take GBITF instead

[gilded wraith]

Did mk12 caxe get enough love to make it worth trying again?

[hearty panther]

realistically most of your games will only be you with refillable grenades

[tender pasture]

GBITF is so weird

[hollow ibex]

i would take +25 toughness over any of the existing tax talents rn

[turbid ibex]

huh i could swear people used the box more

[hearty panther]

and we have silly grenade regen too

so its like ... idk, whatever

[glossy falcon]

Still working on a well rounded up in the shit of it vet build. Any advice on how to improve these talents or weapon choices? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff78a87-5c8d-44b7-815f-6ed04278e5a8/soldier-vet

[slow spade]

Did the Zealot rework not change knives being the only good grenade path for Zealot?

[sly orchid]

uhhh

[hearty panther]

no it changed the nodes leading to knife not being the best

[sly orchid]

people are now using stuns and immo nades

[slow spade]

Was thinking maybe Zealots?

[serene sage]

does it ever bug you that +25 toughness for any other class are just simple nodes
but Arbites have two +25 toughness with two different names as well lmao

[slow spade]

Ah that's good to hear c:

[harsh geyser]

Just realized the sniper build I was running is doing a lot better after switching to a fully auto gun

:(

[hollow ibex]

yes but i try not to let it annoy me too much

[hearty panther]

all three zealot blitz options were always good, the problem was going into the other two blitzes meant taking super gonk talents

[tall torrent]

exactly

[harsh geyser]

marksmans focus, my behatred

[turbid ibex]

ye arb just has 2 grey nodes that are disguised as blues

[hollow ibex]

MMF is actually good now 🙁

[mortal aspen]

Onslaut really worth it for Vigi?

[serene sage]

what if mmfocus drops to 0 if you miss a shot?

[slow spade]

Bricked

[tall torrent]

no

[faint beacon]

Only Column

[serene sage]

skill issues

/s

[faint beacon]

Agri and Graia take Rending Strikes

[hollow ibex]

huh interesting build

not MMF?

[harsh geyser]

I know, but I was running a vigilant autogun, barely was doing much because GOD those fuckers are twitchy. Switched to the full auto autogun, my KDA went significally better

[faint beacon]

They actually assist with Flak BPs

[slow spade]

The average player can't be trusted to do objectives

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/misumaru-touhou-um-touhou-18-meme-gif-16684797908396650385

[gilded wraith]

I have roughly 11% uptime on Tactical Awareness with my core premade... I'm honestly debating skipping it, which seems mad.

[tall torrent]

why no tinkerer for krak

[hearty panther]

UGH I only just noticed Fully Loaded is ABOVE the stam regen node

fuck sakes so im still stuck taking this goddamn ammo node

[slow spade]

11% uptime on Tactical sounds like a targeting issue imo

[hearty panther]

why couldnt they put that in the trio above it

[faint beacon]

Double Kraks that or literally one burst kills a crusher after a Krak lands

[harsh geyser]

vigilant autogun needs some more loving please 🙏

[slow spade]

But it could just be bugged knowing Fatshark...

[tall torrent]

I've been complaining to playtesters nonstop abt this lol

[hearty panther]

why cant i fucken path around extra ammo on the class that has bottomless ammo regen and bottomless las ammo for FUCK SAKE

[faint beacon]

Like they become basically a joke unless it’s Encroaching

[turbid ibex]

the biggest issue with current vet tree is 100% the bottom part

[hearty panther]

Charismatic Aura got rolled into Born Leader, that's a good move

[gilded wraith]

It probably is, and I play with H40 folks that are better than me. That said, I think a lot of people overestimate their post patch TA uptime before they run the mod

[faint beacon]

Anyways yes it’s weird that Onslaught of all things but it’s in the same mindset of Headhunter abusing follow up shots

[hearty panther]

and the stam regen is in the shooter section

[faint beacon]

Specifically only for Columnus

Agri and Graia don’t bother

Take Rending Strikes

[hearty panther]

so close to perfect yet so far

[slow spade]

Its hard for me to remember it only procs on specialists

[mortal aspen]

we got one stam delay talent baked in, so that one isn't needed

before the rework ppl only took 1 anyway afaik

[hearty panther]

uh, watch your mouth

[tender pasture]

OG stam delay was rough

[slow spade]

Such is life sadly :c

[hearty panther]

i will always be stammaxxing

[mortal aspen]

watch dn

[tender pasture]

No refractory period

[hearty panther]

gladly

[hearty panther]

yea .75s delay is fine tho ur right

but .5s delay is REEEAALLLY fine

[tender pasture]

Arbites/Psyker delay with a push attack heavy weapon

[void dragon]

Many thanks mate

[hearty panther]

yea being stamina-positive even when dishing out control is yuge

[tall torrent]

it is extremely good

[hearty panther]

at least it would be extremely good

if it didnt come with a fucken tax

[gilded wraith]

If you're willing and have the app I'd love to see your TA uptime. No snark, just trying to collect accurate numbers on Tactical Awareness, Bruiser, IoD, and Psykinetic's Aura.

[hearty panther]

of extra bullets for my UNLIMITED BULLETS FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[tall torrent]

it's literally the only talent worth picking on its own on bottom left lol

[mortal aspen]

It does feel good on a MMF Deadshot Vigi build

[hearty panther]

wait how we defining bottom left here cause like, precision strikes and shit

[gilded wraith]

It allows infinite slide, which is fun.

[tall torrent]

between precision and marksman's focus

[hearty panther]

gotchu

[tall torrent]

everything is niche~ass
except that stam regen delay node

[hearty panther]

i see it as everything below that reload

lmao

two 10% reload nodes

oh wait no i cant read

that one is ranged

the one up to is reload

wish they deleted that one

10% reload speed isnt doing you fucken anything

[tall torrent]

idk if it makes enough of a difference

also the fact that u chose not to take the 25 TGH on the right to make the tree look nicer

[hollow ibex]

worth

[hearty panther]

WAIT WHAT

Onslaught OR Exploit gotta be taken to get WepSpec what the fuck is that

[tall torrent]

EW is top tier

[hearty panther]

oh okay thank god they reworked it

[turbid ibex]

its nice for some weapons but its kinda redundant with how much reload speed you can get at the top of the tree

[tall torrent]

so choice is ez

[hearty panther]

if that was old exploit weakness

[hollow ibex]

ok ngl colum with WS feels supririsngly good

[hearty panther]

i mean i already lost my mind there

i could not picture two more vestigial and useless talents to have leading into your best keystone

... Empyric Resolve and PotS back when PotS didn't even work, maybe

global damage by 20%?

for one crit??

and you put this below desperado

so when are they just gonna delete onslaught

[tall torrent]

Agile engagement + skirmisher + EW is 70% damage for free

And with desperado veteran default melee crit chance 20%

With reciprocity max 45%

And 15% melee damage right above all that

[hearty panther]

so what im hearing is ...

kill

[tall torrent]

Also u can directly access OYT now from WS

[hearty panther]

do you fuck with that?

i tried it a while back and it was like, fine

but now we have toughness gen on xstance

[tall torrent]

it's very strong

[hearty panther]

maybe ill give it a whirl, my points are already stretched tho

[tall torrent]

cuz u can melee kill 1 guy, swap to ranged and kill 1 guy, go back to melee

do all this within 1s and u instantly got 40% of ur toughness back

[sonic pecan]

So what's the most solid infil build out there right now after the patch

[tall torrent]

the 2 specialist bonus procs are separate cooldown

[hearty panther]

i suppose i could drop O4B for that

[tall torrent]

it's better than o4b imo

[hearty panther]

yea

sounds it

[faint beacon]

My OCD with my trees

[tall torrent]

it's at least CK tier

[faint beacon]

If it doesn’t look remotely nice

It will drive me insane

[hearty panther]

O4B probs would win out if i was taking shredders instead of smokes

[tall torrent]

gotta make tree look nice man look at what I make

[turbid ibex]

ck?

[faint beacon]

Evil ass tree that’s good

[tall torrent]

confirmed kill

[tall torrent]

idk abt onslaught

I think u legit just better off taking like BiD there

[faint beacon]

I’ve found value with it mainly cause I’m focusing on a target

Dropping it and then moving to the next

[tall torrent]

I also think tinkerer better than grenadier for krak/smoke

grenadier is too rng dependent to pull ahead of tinkerer

[faint beacon]

Plus it’s the added benefit of abusing brittle bleed but I know your stance on that

[orchid hemlock]

What weapon?

[tall torrent]

onslaught bleed?

[tall torrent]

power sword / rashad

[orchid hemlock]

I mean range

[tall torrent]

any that doesn't need WS - AP

[tropic halo]

@grand perch Amazing game

[tall torrent]

actually just changed it cuz I realized I could drop tinkerer for frag to get BiD

[grand perch]

oh hi 😄

[orchid hemlock]

Why does everyone take on your toes?

[tropic halo]

I knew I recognized your name

[tall torrent]

I don't think tinkerer for frag required when grenadier already exists

[tall torrent]

because it's super good

at least on par with CK

[tropic halo]

Smokes on havoc is really good now

[faint beacon]

Rending/Brittle Bleed

I’m mainly using it to assist with chunking Cara or Captains/Twins

When Kraks are down

[tall torrent]

I use rending for my knife/DB build

[faint beacon]

Ah

[tall torrent]

cuz I don't take uncanny

[void dragon]

what are thos perk trees for?

[orchid hemlock]

Does it proc only on weapon switch?

[faint beacon]

Generalist builds

He usually makes a generalist build

[void dragon]

meanwhile im trying to make builds specifically tailored for a weapon (im bad at it sadly)

[tall torrent]

melee kill smth
swap to ranged (proc ranged specialist bonus, OYT gives 20% toughness, OYTr goes on 3s CD), kill smth
swap back to melee (proc melee specialist bonus, OYT gives 20% toughness, OYTm goes on 3s CD)

if getting 40% of ur max toughness almost instantly sounds like it's good it's because it is

[faint beacon]

OYTs is generally better outside of bleed toughness abusing with O4B

I’d say with your average build though take OYTs

[tall torrent]

i think it's better than o4b in almost all scenarios

because it takes only 1 kill + swap to activate

so it's up more often when u actually need it

[faint beacon]

Shredders on a horde or just utilizing bleed to get toughness is quite literally the only thing I can see it being better

Hence I’m saying OYTs is more generalist

And honestly should be taken more

[tall torrent]

o4b only pulls ahead on extremely dense pure hordes where nade bleed actually kills tons of things

on mixed horde, OYT is safer

[faint beacon]

That and you don’t really need to constantly use gun or melee

You just QQ

To proc OYTs

[tender pasture]

It's also the only non-kill dependent regen available to Vet that stay up in combat IIRC

[tall torrent]

it is kill-dependent

because u have to kill at least 1 enemy then swap

[tender pasture]

Mb misspoke

But you do get a lot out of that one kill

Was trying to draw a comparison to Force of Will and how much bs that enables

[orchid hemlock]

My build is better than ever now

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Not sure why I got soo many upvoted on this build specifically

[hearty panther]

that lobster and cow look way too happy about getting ate soon

that lobster and cow look way too happy about getting ate soon

[midnight wyvern]

vet in my H40 game btw

[serene sage]

did he do good?

[faint beacon]

Holy based

Level 1 blessings

[hollow ibex]

lmao

just realized catmiral has me blocked

[orchid hemlock]

Who?

[hollow ibex]

one catfight and he blocks me

[orchid hemlock]

😈

Everyone i have blocked is because they just go into my DMs and refuse to leave me alone

At least I got the receipts

[midnight wyvern]

no

[hollow ibex]

i rarely block people but i guess some people are just very thin skinned and just immediately resort to blocking

[midnight wyvern]

he did shit so I looked

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11962249763236134432/8306B8F1310BF6E8712A2CEC01287D2C7D599C9A/

[faint beacon]

Color me not surprised

Lmao

[tall torrent]

giving bulwarks what they deserve

[faint beacon]

It’s PS it only got buffed cause of talent changes

[hollow ibex]

vet can prob make any melee weapon work now

[tall torrent]

it's actually a pretty niche breakpoint

[sonic pecan]

I never block, I like the anger, Im starved for any sort of emotional response tbh

[hollow ibex]

just from sheer damage juicing

[tall torrent]

needs SC + BiD + Skirmisher + EW (and obv, precision + desperado + 15%Mdmg)

[serene sage]

really? most people I block are spammers tbh
some servers just let their people spam gifs and pics all day long
and they are regulars so all you see are random ass image

[hollow ibex]

yeah i basically only block spammers on a permanent basis

[gilded rock]

Hlasp on exe and MF is so delectable

As long as you click heads you one tap almost everything

[midnight wyvern]

his ogryn has level 1 blessings on his pickaxe

[slow spade]

I block people that disagree with me

UwU

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/payday2-pd2-cloaker-you-call-this-resisting-arrest-we-call-this-a-difficulty-tweak-gif-5699362801933530758

[slow spade]

ah sadly I don't run that mod

I'm used to the FUNNY spawns of specialists and stuff which .with a 3 sec duration compared to the instant proc in the past, should have a higher uptime than 11% imo but I never really did any true testing

also Vet doesn't have any other cooldown sources so it's not like there's a good alternative

[tropic halo]

@grand perch I am so sorry my game just had an mission abort error and crashed

[grand perch]

we all did

typical fs server

[tropic halo]

Oh

Amazing videogame obesefish

[grand perch]

losing a try for nothing

[turbid ibex]

plus its a mandatory node for reaching focus target and bring it down

[grand perch]

we'rre reopening

[tropic halo]

Was fun while it lasted

[tropic halo]

I have to leave now sadly, got prepare for work soon

[grand perch]

sad

[tropic halo]

We had really fun missions

Did not expected for Paul to be very efficient than i thought

[grand perch]

yeah it slapped

[tropic halo]

My new go to build for havoc

[midnight wyvern]

show the class

[tropic halo]

what the build?

[faint beacon]

What build did you run

[tall torrent]

Also @faint beacon u should try the new heavy atk move speed talent on zealot

It’s so good

[faint beacon]

Oh I know

It makes Thammer incredibly stupid

[tall torrent]

It’s super funny with relic blade

[tropic halo]

All I know they brought Psword, plasma, smoke and stance

[obtuse raft]

Aight so someone gimme helbore 101. I've really enjoyed trying them out but I can barely tell the difference between the marks tbh

[dusk osprey]

update: i'm having a lot of fun with this build. the vraks rips. i'm just having a hard time finding a good melee weapon to fill in. i'm not a huge fan of the chainsword

[tame lodge]

Mk3 all arounder stabby bayos
Mk4 hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game, slow charge slashy bayo
Mk5 fastest charging lowest damage, stabby bayo

All tree of them are backliners play style

[obtuse raft]

ty ty
3 and 5 was mostly where I couldn't really find a huge difference. I assume surgical is a given but IDK what else.

[jolly quail]

just played an auric mission with three psykers and god they give so much crowd control

could just sit back and shoot stuff the whole game

[tame lodge]

Surgical + Weight of Fire/Falter/Sustained Fire

Mk4 favors weight of fire due to slow charge

[jolly quail]

what about armorbane

armourbane

30% brittleness on a fully charged shot sounds pretty good

on another note i only have to do on overwatch and be methodical and i will have every vet penance except through the mud 5

honestly was pretty fast

on overwatch sounds incredibly annoying though i havent attempted it yet

[obtuse raft]

I'd assume armorbane only really comes into play with crushers since you one tap practically anything smaller

[jolly quail]

the thing with brittleness is it gives bonus to every dmg inflicted on enemies

like by everyone

so idk in theory i think its useful for all high hp targets like crushers and especially bosses

[tall torrent]

this part is massively overrated by the community

[jolly quail]

but meta knowers will probably prove me wrong

yea see

[tall torrent]

because if an attack's ADM is 100% or above against an armor type, brittle/rending convert into +dmg at 1/4 value

meaning your 40% brittleness is just +10% damage

[jolly quail]

yeah i see

i would say on a boss 10% more dmg from the whole team doesnt sound bad ? but i guess theres so many other ways to stack damage and everything

[faint beacon]

Rending and Brittleness are honestly heavily dependent on the weapon you’re using

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah yesterday I told you to take brittle on the XII

But that is only because it is the only weapon in the game that you should put it on 💀

[jolly quail]

oh yeah for the node but that makes total sense

with the high fire rate

was wondering about the blessing moreso

[faint beacon]

But brittleness is gassed up because of team play

[fair shale]

Onslaught is kinda crazy if you're an accatran enjoyer tbh

[faint beacon]

Accatran what gun exactly?…

[jolly quail]

btw idk if its bad but my preferred helbore is IIIa

[fair shale]

Recon, laser famas

[jolly quail]

feels like its the most balanced between shot power and charge speed

and i dont like the bayonet on the MK4

[faint beacon]

Cause there’s extremely slim reasons to choose onslaught it’s why I feel remotely shamed of even suggesting it with Columnus 3 when I’m solely using it as a Rending Strikes alternative and it’s more based on the fact it’s abusing the 3RB follow up shots

[hollow ibex]

mk5 helbore is honestly pretty good now

[jolly quail]

one of the more satisfying sound designs in the game too

[tender pasture]

We got bayonet glaives before polearms

[jolly quail]

yes its also fun and the most flexible to play but idk i feel a little bit more impactful with 3a

[fair shale]

I think onslaught provides at lot of team value in havocs with the boss spam tbh, any gun that fires fast benefits from it imo, columnus, acca, etc etc

[hollow ibex]

3 is still good

idk which one i would say is better now

3 was def better before

[fair shale]

That is assuming you're not just gonna run Plasma anyway

[jolly quail]

i think its one of the guns where theyre most likely all pretty good?

[hollow ibex]

yeah for sure

[jolly quail]

ah ill try weight of fire then

could be fun

[hollow ibex]

weight of fire on mk5 is hilarious

[jolly quail]

feel like im piercing the veil of darktide blessings and perks a little lol

[tame lodge]

Yeah probably enough damage to avoid 1399dmg against a 1400 HP gunner

[hollow ibex]

this is on old vet btw

[tall torrent]

boo onslaught

https://tenor.com/view/powerpuff-girls-hamster-gif-12944509259438973023

[hollow ibex]

as long as you crit, the gunners shouldn't be an issue

[jolly quail]

lol yea im in meat grinder and at full stacks its basically an auto charge

[jolly quail]

wow im not reaching that speed though??

oh ure stimmed up

lmao its insane with a stim

helbore time den

[faint beacon]

See if it wasn’t a 3RB salvo onslaught would be dead in the water for me with it

Hence I stress RS for Agri and Graia

[tall torrent]

Nah it doesn’t matter on anything but carapace

And I don’t think wasting all that ammo for 1.7-2.2k dps from full headshots is worth it

[faint beacon]

Been suggesting Flakiac with the Vigils cause the Flak ADM got nerfed

[tall torrent]

I am using maniac + flak

[faint beacon]

That 1 to .8 was just enough to make it fail without Crit

[orchid hemlock]

For XII?

[faint beacon]

Welcome back pre buff Vigil

Vigils

We’re talking vigils

[jolly quail]

man skirmisher is pretty crazy

[orchid hemlock]

Oh 😞

[tall torrent]

Vig auto

[jolly quail]

wondering what weapons would allow the most uptime on skirmisher

pistols?

something with high mobility surely

[tall torrent]

Not relevant cuz u can just slide with anything

[orchid hemlock]

For XII recon what perks do you take? 🤔

I usually default flak/crit

But I'm wondering in Havoc if I should switch crit to something else

[tall torrent]

I don’t play recon cuz boring

https://tenor.com/view/wings-wingsofredemption-thor-stormbreaker-gif-15888988948364502772

[faint beacon]

Can’t sprint?

Dodge + Crouch

Easy uptime

[tall torrent]

I only like to play ranged weapons that care about headshots

Recon is just not in that list

[jolly quail]

yea i mean i guess u can slide to refresh it all the time but idk

it feels like it would be easier to maintain on weapons that favor running around a lot like pistols or shotguns

but also i have very mid aim

[orchid hemlock]

I was a recon user before the rending buffs

U can't stop me

[faint beacon]

MkIII Boltgun

With WS

[tall torrent]

New boltgun is alr

[faint beacon]

Click in general area of enemy kill it

[tall torrent]

Tho I don’t think it’s as good as mk2b on vet

New boltgun has some value on zealot

[faint beacon]

It’s only really good for WS Vet

[jolly quail]

yeah ive played quite a few games of the new one already

i enjoy both

[tall torrent]

What for

[faint beacon]

The classic Bolter is just better

[sly orchid]

idunno chief

[faint beacon]

Mainly cause of instant pinning fire stacks

[tall torrent]

Yam u do not know ball on this court

[fair shale]

I agree tbh

[faint beacon]

Again

It’s weaker than the classic on Vet

[tall torrent]

It’s nice but a lot of the time with mk2b u also get PF super fast

[faint beacon]

However it’s playable

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it matters that much

[faint beacon]

Exactly

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/beavis-and-butthead-call-of-duty-slap-kick-cornholio-gif-9478766975485797413

[faint beacon]

It’s more so MkIII is easier to up keep with shit and offers imo a bit more aggression

[hollow ibex]

why zealot?

[faint beacon]

CC

[jolly quail]

the instant pinning fire stacks is pretty fun though

[faint beacon]

That’s why they mainly used Bolter to begin with

[tall torrent]

Dance of death being harder to reach + it does immense crowd control for smth that TH

[faint beacon]

Vet used it for actual sniping

[tall torrent]

It’s a lot more “direct stopping power” than flamer

[faint beacon]

^ pretty much the reason

[tall torrent]

Even tho it’s much lower dps

[pseudo fiber]

I really enjoy both bolters now they did good with the new one imho

[fair shale]

Cleave is what you're seeking on weapons the higher in difficulty you go ime, at least on Vet

[faint beacon]

It’s the CC but I also need to kill shit at range choice for Zeal

[hollow ibex]

🤔 tbh i only ever used bolter on zealot for boss or crusher deletion

[pseudo fiber]

The new bolt pistol I cannot even tell the difference tbh

[jolly quail]

u guys have a classic bolter build for new vet ?

[faint beacon]

Opens bulwarks

[tall torrent]

U can delete them with like every melee on zealot rn

[faint beacon]

Shoot their feet once

Immediately opens them

Also really funny with a grenadier build

[tall torrent]

Relic blade is almost as much boss dps as power sword

TH can easily 1 tap every monster

[willow prairie]

yeah but it can only tap one at a time

[jolly quail]

what about eviscerator

i mostly care for class specific weapons tbh lol

gives more flavor

[willow prairie]

evis good bosses damage

good horde clear on both mark

[tall torrent]

Eviscerator is ok but way worse at mixed horde (~equal as TH)

[jolly quail]

ill go back to my zealot soon after i complete vet penances

[willow prairie]

it little better than th

[jolly quail]

i really like both relic blade and evisc

so thats cool

[willow prairie]

both mark are good but mk15 is more braindead

[hollow ibex]

yeah which is why i don't use bolter on zealot anymore generally lol

[jolly quail]

yea i used mk15

[willow prairie]

spam light, if there elites push attack or heavy

[tall torrent]

This is relic blade rn

[jolly quail]

nice

[sly orchid]

thats the wrong mark

[jolly quail]

i love the sprinting thrust attack

[faint beacon]

I was wondering what you meant by unfaltering being good on Zealot

[tall torrent]

It’s the better variant

[faint beacon]

This makes sense

[pseudo fiber]

here we go

[faint beacon]

Single target

[jolly quail]

i use uhhh MK2 ? kinda prefer the moveset

[willow prairie]

mk2 is technically more single target damage

[sly orchid]

very loud incorrect buzzer

[willow prairie]

technically

[willow prairie]

because practically you gonna hit heavy 4 on the body and your dps suffer

[tall torrent]

Again, u do not know ball on this court

[jolly quail]

i mean if the effectiveness difference is not glaring just go with the moveset u prefer

[tall torrent]

Rather unfortunate

[willow prairie]

mkx also have better horde clear

[tall torrent]

Uppercut not having weakspot priority makes mk2 practically worse than mk10 in like every metric lol

[slow spade]

I just 1-tapped by a shield burst again

[pseudo fiber]

does the mk3 falchion have that?

[tall torrent]

If it did it’ll at least pull ahead in 1 metric by like 5%

[jolly quail]

will give it another try when i go back to zealot

[slow spade]

it seems that bug is still here lol

[tall torrent]

Not sure
But it is easier to weakspot with that uppercut

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/boogie2988-boogie-rage-rage-angry-rant-gif-448507989059844098

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately both falchions mid tier

[willow prairie]

uppercut on their way to be the worst fucking move in any situation

[tall torrent]

Power sword is 2x falchions’ dps

[pseudo fiber]

yeah I gravitate towards the mk3 more though

It's fun

[tender pasture]

Uppercuts with weak spot priority are aight

[pseudo fiber]

and you know it may suck

[jolly quail]

falchion is pretty fun but it does feel like a worse power sword

[pseudo fiber]

and it may have bad carapace damage

and it...

Where was this going?

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure the mk1 is more single target dps than the uppercut variant too

[jolly quail]

it looks cool 👍

[willow prairie]

same shit on crusher push attack

it good

[tall torrent]

Because mk1 has L3 stab which is more damage than light overhead

Another case where the “more complex moveset” weapon is actually not as good

[tender pasture]

How does Rashad boss dps stack up

[tall torrent]

I don’t think falchions suck but they’re pretty far removed from the top

[willow prairie]

eh kinda mid ngl

[grand perch]

plasma smoke exec with team highlights

[willow prairie]

the heavy are slow

[tall torrent]

Very high up there

It’s not as high as power sword

[hollow ibex]

RaChad

[jolly quail]

rashad so slow though

[pseudo fiber]

well power sword is never gonna get nerfed so

this is how we live

[tall torrent]

Rashad is ~18s vs 60k unyielding rn

Power sword ~14s which leads literally everything except 25DD + SG force greatsword and the meme boss dmg builds

[tender pasture]

Saw you mention that Arbites gets stupid bps on Rashad some time ago

I imagine that's equalized post patch

[tall torrent]

Kinda

[willow prairie]

arby still get 50% boss damage

[mighty willow]

Boss deleter ❤️

[hollow ibex]

the 50% boss damage is so silly

[pseudo fiber]

the game is in a very interesting spot balance wise right now I wonder how it#s going to develop

[tender pasture]

Exec Order is both too good and too boring at the same time though

[tall torrent]

You will power sword 24/7 and you will like it

• FatShark, when asked how they’ll design the new power falchions that are promised as veteran’s new weapon 10 months after making said promise

[willow prairie]

(it's just a short relic blade)

[pseudo fiber]

Until this fuckass community becomes normal about nerfs I fear that nothing will change

in a way nothing ever happens

[tall torrent]

It’s worse than relic blade

[jolly quail]

there is no community that is normal about nerfs

[willow prairie]

you use the same combo on mk1 as mkx relic blade funnily enough

[tender pasture]

FS has to learn to shit sandwich nerfs

[sly orchid]

the power sabers are frankenstein weapons

[mighty willow]

Hopefully it'll be in a state where you don't feel useless for not picking the meta, and also not feel like the game need 5 billion enemies to have any challenge whatsoever

[pseudo fiber]

I'd say

Worst: Helldivers 2
Payday 3
Darktide
SM2 (Because fr nothing there needs nerfing lol)
Best: DRG

[sly orchid]

the attack animations are taken from other weapons

[jolly quail]

yea drg probably just best community all around

[willow prairie]

drg is well balanced

[sly orchid]

im thinking fatshark wants to give vet multiple weaponsw

[tall torrent]

Turn sword on to experience Rashad for 15s

Whereas relic blade is like
Turn sword on to experience Karsolas for 15s

[willow prairie]

as in there anything to balance lmao

[jolly quail]

asides from that game whether its coop or pvp ive never seen a community be satisified by the balance of a game lol

[tender pasture]

DRG also the least interesting game for the elements I like

[mighty willow]

DRG is just really chill.

Payday fans are always passive aggressive for some reason

[atomic void]

sm2 community did have a mini meltdown when they toned down few clearly broken shit few months ago

[muted peak]

Has anyone experienced crashes on modded game after the patch?

I rn having some

[pseudo fiber]

Payday community when they want difficulty but also not having ammo funnel nerfed

[tall torrent]

Yea like 35 times on the day of patch 💀

[grand perch]

people still play payday?

[willow prairie]

pd2 is cheap

was cheap

[pseudo fiber]

Update your darktide mod loader file (dml)

[muted peak]

Did you solve it?

[willow prairie]

also it was given for free on both egs and steam

also easy to run

[tender pasture]

DLCs tho

[tropic halo]

Theres only one payday

[muted peak]

So imma need new mod loader from nexus?

[willow prairie]

literally everyone own dlc nowadays

[tall torrent]

Yea I changed the proton I ran the game with and updated mod loader

[mighty willow]

Payday 2 mfs when there isn't a infohud mod that spams info on how many days they haven't showered

[tropic halo]

get the updated version of it

[pseudo fiber]

yes it'll hopefully fix the crashes

[muted peak]

Based linux player

[tropic halo]

Oops wrong reply

[muted peak]

Can I tag you if I get some linux based problems?

[muted peak]

[tall torrent]

Sure? I’m not good at it tho

I troubleshoot everything with AI and it’s been working lmao

[tame lodge]

10 focking months

[muted peak]

Just having someone to talk about it is fine

Being alone is hard

[tame lodge]

10
FOCKING
MONTHS

[pseudo fiber]

you know

[tender pasture]

Power fists when

[tall torrent]

U can try getting the newest proton-GE

That’s running the game stable for me

[tender pasture]

If they're a Vet exclusive, time to riot

[jolly quail]

yea ive had darktide for a while but only really started grinding a few weeks ago and it seems that they are so slow to roll out content

[muted peak]

Yeah I did, I just didnt know mod loader needed update

Gonna do it now

[tall torrent]

I got the crashes on startup due to renderer failure and it’s smth related to nvidia prob

Jensen trolling as per usual

[sly orchid]

fatshark is gonna give us a hunting glaive a powerfist a power axe and a melta on vet frfr

[muted peak]

My lovely company nvidia ❤️

[mighty willow]

They prolly will be Veteran Exclusive man...

[muted peak]

I play this game with a gtx 1650 with 4gb tho

[tame lodge]

If the hunting lance doesn't work the same way as the lunge mines on bfv, I don't wanna

[tender pasture]

Nah, the rough rider lance with the paul special for sure though

[mighty willow]

How's the experience?

[sly orchid]

Hunting glaive stoopid

[jolly quail]

bruh

[tender pasture]

Power fist is hella generic

[mighty willow]

I tried back in release and it was awful to play

Did they optimize it?

[muted peak]

Near flawless with FSR(yeah, fucking ironic) and fsr frame gen

[tall torrent]

You might as well start rn because it was revealed to me in a dream that both power fist and power axe will be vet exclusive

[pseudo fiber]

I think about this a lot

[tame lodge]

Another 10 months

[mighty willow]

That's good to hear, i've been trying to get a friend into the game but i was worried if he didn't have a 3060, his PC would explode

[tall torrent]

Of the 4 weapon marks they added this update only 1 is worth using and brings smth new to builds

Very peak design FatShark

[tame lodge]

Power Axe but you get to experience Branx Pickaxe for 10 seconds

[tall torrent]

That’s fine vet is higher melee damage than ogryn anyway

[pseudo fiber]

lol

[muted peak]

[mighty willow]

Veteran went full circle to being the best again

[tall torrent]

Nah vet is a top 5 class rn

Top 1 is psyker

[muted peak]

If he has a solid graphics card and not picky with fps he can manage

[jolly quail]

psyker just seems dummy good

[muted peak]

I managed like 6 months on helldivers 2 untill the newest update, the game is unplayable atm for me

[tender pasture]

Psyker frustrating to play with a day job

[mighty willow]

As psyker should be. They're the dedicated glass cannon

[tall torrent]

Idk about the glass part

[atomic void]

its true?
i was talking in zealot chat about people in another server having a meltdown cause they're claiming vet is outdmging zealot in melee now or someshit

[tender pasture]

Vet was higher damage even before patch though

[muted peak]

Gtx 1650 is seriously handicapped on vram side but still a beast after all these years on processing

[jolly quail]

sometimes helldivers is unplayable even with a good pc

like i would play after an update and it would be almost impossible to play a mission without the game crashing

[hollow ibex]

they weren't a glass cannon before the patch, and they sure as hell aren't one now lol

[muted peak]

I dont think good PCs didnt get 5 fps on ultra performance display settings

And everything on low

[tall torrent]

Vet always had more melee damage than zealot primarily because of 2 things:

• Vet tree had more consistent damage bonuses and tac awareness + red node is op
• Power sword VI mogs every single zealot brawler-type melee (ones u actually fight hordes with)

[jolly quail]

yea u get frames but the game just shuts down randomly

[tall torrent]

As of this patch it’s slightly more even

Because zealot can also get very bonkers damage bonus

As an example

[jolly quail]

and i havent played in a while but back then you could NOT reconnect to a game u disconnected from

most stupid shit ever

[mighty willow]

I'm talking in theory here, not in practice.

Also Zealot is tanky asf, holy shit

[muted peak]

Yeah had your issue, I in one game couldnt even throw beacons lmao,

Its infuriating

[jolly quail]

had that tons of times as well lmao

[willow prairie]

crit zealot is the most tanky class atm

[tall torrent]

Grey node +20% melee damage
Sustained assault +20% melee damage
Riposte +20% melee damage
Inexorable judgement +20% damage

[jolly quail]

beacon key just not responding

[tender pasture]

Marty Zealot no longer ass

[jolly quail]

sometimes u couldnt sprint also, wonder if they fixed that

[hollow ibex]

well in practice it used to be heavily dependant on player skill how glassy the class is, but playing field has prob evened out

[willow prairie]

his greed is ruining the economy 💔

[muted peak]

Hope fatshark solves these server side issues too and we get flawless dt gameplay

I wanna switch to dt completely

[jolly quail]

i honestly have been having a pretty smooth experience on darktide, i know thats not the case for everyone

[tame lodge]

Never was

[hollow ibex]

marty zealot got hell of a glowup

[tall torrent]

Piety is overall highest utility keystone
But IJ is so peak rn

[jolly quail]

i run it at a constant 144fps and hardly get any bugs

[mighty willow]

Ok Squidward, go play the clarinet now

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately martyr mogged as per usual

[tame lodge]

Time to update it

[tall torrent]

But we all expected that so nobody is sad

[pseudo fiber]

this shit will never happen switching to darktide fulltime has you understanding the servers being ass is a part of the game

[hollow ibex]

depends on how many people i see still bitching psyker is a glass cannon lol

[tender pasture]

Marty is VT2 design in DT environment

[muted peak]

Server side disconnection and lag issues are random as hell, I played with bad and perfect internet at different times, issues was the same on both wi fis

[jolly quail]

i do get some weird bugs that i think are serverside sometimes like dogs teleporting during their jump

[hollow ibex]

marty still has higher damage no?

[muted peak]

[tender pasture]

I enjoy the fundamental stupidity of wielding a Rashad like a tac axe

[mighty willow]

You were just not faithful enough

[hollow ibex]

mobility wise IJ will always win obviously

[tall torrent]

30% higher damage for worse point economy
IJ just by taking riposte drops that difference down to 10%

[pulsar patio]

is power falcion based

[muted peak]

Yeah probably serverside, might be some connection bottleneck on your side too tho

[turbid ibex]

I wouldnt really consider dodging as something against psyker being a glass cannon

[tame lodge]

Cringe!
Guitar noises

[mighty willow]

Relic Blade, pocket edition

[hollow ibex]

but attack speed difference too

[jolly quail]

sometimes the ragdoll physics break too but thats too funny, yesterday i shot a hound with the explosive bolter and it flew like 100 meters into the air lol

[tall torrent]

IJ can afford to build crit and damage at the same time
Martyr usually can’t afford to

[muted peak]

Every weapon is based from the right point of view

[willow prairie]

damn window update that doesnt need me to unlock undervolt again

W

[hollow ibex]

like EE? it's not dodging, it's evasion

[tall torrent]

You’re on some really premium crack if you can tell the difference between +60% atk speed and +64~70% atk speed

[muted peak]

I have had it with a shotgunner yesterday, bro went to moon

[jolly quail]

lol

[tender pasture]

Used to be a regular occurrence lol

[jolly quail]

its so damn funny

[hollow ibex]

more attack speed is more attack speed

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[tall torrent]

0.02s faster swing 💀

Martyr is mogged unfortunately

[hollow ibex]

i'll try your RB brawler build

[jolly quail]

but overall idk i havent encountered like a gamebreaking bug on darktide even once

[hollow ibex]

and see what the IJ uptime looks like

[tall torrent]

Unfaltering is really good tho

[muted peak]

You one lucky reject

[hollow ibex]

because one nice thing about marty is that it's just 100% uptime

[tender pasture]

Idm it being mogged as long as it's actually aight

[jolly quail]

i do get disconnects when im idle sometimes but i havent even been disconnected from an active mission or whatever for some reason

[tame lodge]

0.02s faster than IJ

[tender pasture]

Old marty felt like IJ but worse

[tame lodge]

IJ L

As always

[jolly quail]

oh actually yeah

[tame lodge]

[jolly quail]

when youre on the ship theres all kinds of bugs lol

[obtuse raft]

Quantum tunneling gutter runners ♥️
Time is a flat circle

[hollow ibex]

and you couldn't even get max stacks with 3 wound curios on damnation/auric lol

[jolly quail]

i wasnt thinking about it

[mighty willow]

lol

[jolly quail]

like talent tree nodes not validating

[muted peak]

Imagine, you are about to end a mission after like a 40 minute run through literal HELL, clutched but get disconnected at the final section

[jolly quail]

and weird shit like that

[tame lodge]

According to exhillious
Unfaltering is not applying as it should

[jolly quail]

but in mission somehow its smooth

[tame lodge]

So he's going on a crusade to get it fixed

[tall torrent]

The stun immune part yes

[muted peak]

This shit makes me want to bomb fatshark's servers

[tall torrent]

The move speed part is working properly I think

I’m taking it for the removal of move speed penalty anyway

[tender pasture]

It's also just a goofy way of trying to make Saltzpyre Zealot work in a completely different context

[muted peak]

I never had those types of bugs strangely

[tall torrent]

Cuz it was
And it still is

[turbid ibex]

I wish unfaltering had like 1 more stat besides the uninterruptible and removing movement penalties on heavy attacks

[tall torrent]

Nah as it is it’s already very good because it bumps ur mobility up massively for QoL

[tender pasture]

Aye but the gap is close enough I can cope about it now

[turbid ibex]

Or at least if it was somewhere slightly more accessible

[tall torrent]

U can dice enemies way more aggressively with it

It is very accessible wdym

You get +10% atk speed after push atk for 5s leading up to it

The pathing is already good

[turbid ibex]

Idk i just think its weird fatshark decided to give zealot like 3 different talents that give some form of stun immunity

One of them being wrath

[jolly quail]

yea games be weird

[hollow ibex]

Path is just a certified Marty hater 😭

[jolly quail]

like sometimes i will finalize a build, go back to loadout screen and when i go back to talent tree its respecced again with zero nodes

[tame lodge]

I don't run push attack heavy weapons

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/lackoffaith-disturbing-darthvader-starwars-gif-4883104

[tame lodge]

The pathing is bad

That being said

Worst CDR available on Zealot
Or Bleed Emps

Even worse

[tall torrent]

Nah I wish it was better
But it is outclassed by IJ

[hollow ibex]

I will test IJ and get back to you 💢

[tall torrent]

Casual Evis 15 L

[tame lodge]

Casual my ass

[tall torrent]

All too frequent

[distant plaza]

is competitive urge worth taking?

[orchid hemlock]

Me dodging 20 meters every second:

[tall torrent]

No

[tame lodge]

Yes and no

[pseudo fiber]

What do people run on the mk3 botler anyway?
puncture pinning? and uhhh unyielding?

[tame lodge]

Uh

It exists

And it's there

You can pick it but you don't really need to

[turbid ibex]

Pinning shrimp i think

[serene sage]

pinning surgical?

[turbid ibex]

Cause the explosion applies the brittleness apparently

[pseudo fiber]

ngl I was so confused on what shrimp was lmfaoooo

[tall torrent]

Puncture + PF on zealot

On vet I run mk2b with shattering + PF rn

[pseudo fiber]

what about perks?

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think it does actually

Was testing

[tall torrent]

Unyielding carapace

[hollow ibex]

And the AOE didn’t do jack shit

[tall torrent]

On zealot it lowkey does not matter that much cuz

Mk3 is not good for shooting big guys

[hollow ibex]

How fucked is new bolter going to once they fix stagger code

[pseudo fiber]

sounds good

I'm sick as fuck rn so I'm gonna queue into event missions and be an active detriment to my team

[tall torrent]

And zealot can’t push its damage high enough to make it one tap gunners etc

Without significant tradeoffs in melee

[atomic void]

i was saying that zealot deals more sustained and u can do insane shit and they were like "nah zealot worst in havoc cant book and 3 classes out melee him"

the worst type of minmaxxers possible

[tall torrent]

I got hit by the flu and yesterday I spat out like 2 blobs of 2cm diameter large spit

[hollow ibex]

I didn’t need to know that

[pseudo fiber]

Hey same lmfao I've been in pain and shivering all day

[mighty willow]

Maniac, Unyielding, Flak and Carapace on their way to getting into every single build

[tall torrent]

[pseudo fiber]

I need to fight the sickness literally I must kill nurgles followers

[tall torrent]

Depends on the weapon

[hollow ibex]

Add some pox gas and you’re going to turn into a tox bomber

[tall torrent]

I can send u a pic of how big they were

[hollow ibex]

I’m good bro

[tall torrent]

I was flabbergasted myself

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-scared-scaredcat-scared-cat-gif-7805744473386885099

[pseudo fiber]

can I get a bolter with +2 stam on it

[normal bay]

They're fighting you irl now

[tall torrent]

U glaze martyr idk

https://tenor.com/view/military-army-soldier-funny-memes-i'm-dead-gif-12363391075057867472

Martyr TH users in the event ^

[hollow ibex]

I’m sooo much tankier than before

This is ez mode

[tall torrent]

Piety is better at tanking unfortunately

Martyr mogged again

Owari da

[hollow ibex]

Don’t need piety to stay alive

[tall torrent]

They buffed stalwart lol

They actually buffed piety so hard

[hollow ibex]

Crit zealot just arbi now

[atomic void]

what did they do to stalwart

besides letting u take it alongside others

[mighty willow]

I like martydom for the dopamine hit

[tall torrent]

Instead of being +2% toughness per melee kill

It now just gives u 2% toughness every second while fury is on

[atomic void]

zealot eating good

[tall torrent]

This is however

[atomic void]

all 3 keystones are kino

[tall torrent]

Mogged by IJ

Because IJ gets 8% every second

https://tenor.com/view/wings-wingsofredemption-thor-stormbreaker-gif-15888988948364502772

[muted peak]

@tall torrent hey dude

Did the update

[tall torrent]

Wot

[muted peak]

Now game crashes right after entering mourning star

[hollow ibex]

how bad is this lol

25% toughness replenishment

[mighty willow]

Idk

[hollow ibex]

is like nothing

[tall torrent]

This is good u should take

[hollow ibex]

but 25% is kinda whatever

[tall torrent]

💀

Did u change to a diff proton

[muted peak]

I didnt, but its ge 10-14

Like, its the latest stable version I think

[tame lodge]

But it's behind 10% or Infectious 💀

[tall torrent]

Both are good and worth taking

[tame lodge]

Non CRIT weapons are forced to take 10%

😭

[tall torrent]

Now u can get 25% crit chance and stalwart at the same time, and give ur team more crit chance

So good

That team 10% crit chance is rly good as long as ur team is not 3 ogryns

[tame lodge]

Ain't no one picking Infectious

[tall torrent]

Vet and psyker both get more value out of 10% crit than zealot does out of 10% crit

[tall torrent]

Yea most people don’t know ball unfortunately

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah
Vet CRIT base is 10 % now

Huh

[tall torrent]

Yea

Very based

[tame lodge]

I wonder if the CRIT funnel build is viable

[tall torrent]

Infectious gives vet 30% crit chance base

lol

[tame lodge]

Psyker with another 5%

5% perk on weapon

Deadshit

Reciprocity

Funnel into a shock trooper recon vet

[tall torrent]

No deadshot

[tame lodge]

Watch the light show

[tame lodge]

Free crits

[tall torrent]

Stamina not worth

[tough vine]

So is the falchion really good for VOC dedicated builds?

[tame lodge]

Idk

[tall torrent]

No

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

It’s mid

[tame lodge]

Midchion

[tough vine]

💀

[tame lodge]

🗣️

[tough vine]

Erm what

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[tough vine]

Yesterday everyone was shaking it's good

[pseudo fiber]

I'd say it works better with exe actually lol

[tame lodge]

Falchion is underwhelming

[tall torrent]

Nah

[tame lodge]

I've been saying mediocre/underwhelming since day 1

[tall torrent]

Almost everybody in here was saying falchion mid at best

[tame lodge]

[tough vine]

I was kinda hoping it worked well with defensive/melee heavy builds

[tall torrent]

It’s half the dps of power sword

Take that info how u will

[tame lodge]

Then you go into zealot chat and someone's defending falchion because hit heads

[tough vine]

As my infiltrator is ganger based and uses a chainsawed so I was hoping to go for a house seneschal for my VOC/middle tree

[tame lodge]

Just do it for the theme

People been playing Chainsword Bistol when they were dogshit back in the day

Do it for the theme

[pseudo fiber]

it's useable

[tame lodge]

10 months wait

[pseudo fiber]

Excited for the power axe in december that's just better

[tender pasture]

Which VT2 moveset will they recycle

[tame lodge]

Bro thinks it's going to be a melee

[mortal aspen]

Excited for Power Duelling Sword

[tender pasture]

Halberd when

[pseudo fiber]

throwable power axe you're cooking

[tough vine]

Still waiting for PP and fist

[tender pasture]

Fist is gonna be clipping bonanza

But not like they've cared before

[tame lodge]

Oh so just normal vet things

My Bluebian armor still clipping with infiltrator pants

[slim pulsar]

i just need melta

[red robin]

stub pistol would be pog

Wishing for a downgrade from revolver and las pistol

[pseudo fiber]

now that they've added anohter heat based weapon tehy gotta fix that bug with captain shields

[mighty willow]

I like to use it to swipe hordes and then i can have some high dps ranged gun for specialist and elite sniping

It's a fun weapon to use, but Power Sword and Dueling Sword are still stronger

[tame lodge]

Mfw power weapon is not as strong as power weapon

"The power source is more reliable"

So unreliable power sources are stronger

[pseudo fiber]

less stable more power

[mighty willow]

Devs did not think that through, let's be real

[tame lodge]

They never do

[willow prairie]

@tall torrent is scattershot suppose to work with melee?

[pseudo fiber]

why is there a thousand snipers

[mighty willow]

For what is worth, i enjoy the power falchion

[jolly quail]

just got heavily carried in auric

man i hate specialists

[willow prairie]

oh nvm im stupid

[toxic reef]

vent purge

[mighty willow]

"Nights out" type modifier

[jolly quail]

i hate snipers

[pseudo fiber]

why are they outside the map

[toxic reef]

nah lights out doesn't spawn more

[mighty willow]

Game director rushing the paid actors to get into scene in order

[pseudo fiber]

oh shit

[mighty willow]

How do you get that even?

[toxic reef]

1k missions

[pseudo fiber]

1000 missions

[jolly quail]

nice

[toxic reef]

add another 1k and you should get poxbreaker

[mighty willow]

I like Darktide, but i don't LIKE Darktide for that

[toxic reef]

from 1m kills

[jolly quail]

only on overwatch left guys

and i have every vet penance

[tame lodge]

Damn bruv
You have lots of free time

[jolly quail]

be methodical actually completed itself in one auric lol

[tame lodge]

[toxic reef]

rolling steel is usually the easiest

[jolly quail]

oh yea?

[pseudo fiber]

3 years of playing now seems roughly correct

[toxic reef]

keep shout active

[jolly quail]

u cant block right?

[pseudo fiber]

still don't got frenzied killer 3 tho

[tame lodge]

[toxic reef]

its only health damage

not toughness

[jolly quail]

oh ??

wow that seems much more manageable on malice then lol

[toxic reef]

yeah

[jolly quail]

ok so lets say recon + voc + whatever meme cdr since the difficulty wont matter ?

shredders

[toxic reef]

yeah and remember to not get hit hard by captain at the end

[jolly quail]

yea will just sit back and shoot

what melee would u say

psword i guess lol

psword is always the answer

[toxic reef]

falchion or ds should also be fine

[jolly quail]

nice

ok it actually should be pretty easy

if its just health dmg

[toxic reef]

ye fire is fine as well

[mighty willow]

That is until some nurgling sneaks up on you and slaps you for 1 hp

Then you crash tf out

[jolly quail]

yea i gotta watch my back

lol

i mean honestly they literally all went smoothly

[toxic reef]

it's still rolling steel so it's not the worst reset

[jolly quail]

even the 90% accuracy one i did first try

the zealots ones look more annoying tbh

[toxic reef]

they're fine until you know the best strat

stun grenade is done with flamer

[jolly quail]

the crit kills

oh yeah nice

[toxic reef]

one wound is also done on rolling steel

[jolly quail]

looks like the more annoying one this

[obtuse raft]

It's actually shocking FS has had the restraint to make two whole horde shooters fighting nurgle without including nurglings anywhere.

[jolly quail]

about that i wish there was another faction

its always nurgle

i wish we could fight tzeentch or slaneeshi cultists or something