veteran-class

[dry cloak]

A vast majority of players dislike the mk10

[viscid salmon]

ive been told to run the mk10 as an anti boss ranged

but yea

it just feels kinda eh

the damage isnt bad, the handling of it is ass, so fucking slow

[warm schooner]

laspistol mk 10 with FT was one of my favorite builds on h40 before the update

super effective if you land your headshots consistently

[steep flower]

Its someting one gets used to

[steep flower]

Now with MMF & deadshot its a machine

[warm schooner]

consistent high boss damage while being able to trade at range for free and dodge tank is super underrated

[warm schooner]

yeah I need to try that

[dry cloak]

I started to like mk2 more. But thats because i think mk10 has more.spread now

[warm schooner]

people don't think about the utility of being able to shred the boss while repositioning

mk2 isn't efficient enough with high havoc breakpoints

you'll have a lot harder of a time keeping your ammo up

[steep flower]

Shock trooper

[dry cloak]

Dont play havocs

[warm schooner]

I mean most people are going to miss

[dry cloak]

I value my time

[acoustic bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[bitter turtle]

exec bolter + krak

krak to stun boss

exec

full hipfire auto onto boss weakspot

[viscid salmon]

im trying to use the stealth ability rn

[bitter turtle]

should delete boss

o

[viscid salmon]

i might go back to shouty or exec

[bitter turtle]

infil got indirectly nerfed

[viscid salmon]

but like, pretty much all my builds are shout vet, with few exec now after the changes

[bitter turtle]

sadly

so

even as someone who played it a lot before

hard to justify

[sonic pecan]

Infil is confirmed still trash now, survivalist is still an issue because not taking it is dumb. The rework was not great.

[viscid salmon]

i mainly use it to use the chainsword to saw this ogryn in half

but i might just go back to shout/exec

the infil helps in some situations, but the benefit of shout to the team is hard to leave behind

especially in pubs

[sonic pecan]

Nothing really changed. Exec is better, but shout is still king for helping out the team.

[lyric flint]

4 vets*

[tepid otter]

Isnt the other guy an Arbite

[willow prairie]

he a little lost

[muted peak]

Did chaxe received some touch from fatshark?

I may be delusional but I think it changed a lil bit

[willow prairie]

every chain weapon was changed

theyre way better now

[muted peak]

Nice

Was the damage cap of chaxe removed?

[willow prairie]

i heard it was removed on mk12 but im not sure

[muted peak]

This update was a feast

[viscid salmon]

hahahahahaha

the chain axe oneshots crushers

[muted peak]

Which mark?

[viscid salmon]

12

this is funny

[muted peak]

Noice

From the head right?

[viscid salmon]

special attack into overhead heavy

i got thrust on this one

[muted peak]

Oh

Wait

[normal bay]

Nope, still a cap of three

Only the specials changed

[muted peak]

Wasnt mark 12 already oneshotting on special overhead to head?

[muted peak]

Me sad

[viscid salmon]

idk, ive barely used it due to the light being so slow and attack speed nodes being well into the right side

but this looks really fucking funny to use

[muted peak]

Yeah chaxe is a good weap except its slow

Use mark 4 if you want to special light attack

With bloodletter it is really good

[viscid salmon]

i like the heavy overhead

is this thing any good? im wondering because when youre sawing and are locked in the animation, the enemy is kinda stunlocked

does that stunlock count as staggered?

[muted peak]

Mark 12 was relentless light attacks heavy strikedowns right?

[viscid salmon]

yea mk12 is flat wide lightattacks with heavy strikedowns

not even fucking flexseal is going to be able to keep nurgles boys together

[muted peak]

I never used rending on my chaxe plays, I dont know if its effective

I would recommend headtaker for mark 12 tho

[viscid salmon]

i got headtaker thrust rn

i was considering switching one of em for rending on staggered

[muted peak]

Since chaxe still has its damage cap

I dont think it will matter much

[viscid salmon]

since if it works with the special attack, thats 20 (30%) rending against heavy bois

[muted peak]

Wait

One sec

Finally understood what rending was for

Yeah you can take it if it doesnt feel like nerfing ur weapon

[split grove]

What's the best gun to be used with exe stance

I really want to play the new vers

[muted peak]

Did exe stance receive a change?

[viscid salmon]

yes, it now gives 10% toughness regen

per sec

[split grove]

also the easier access to the reload perks is quite nice for me

[muted peak]

Awesome change

[viscid salmon]

you can also refresh the duration with melee so theres that idea as well

[split grove]

cos i dont wanna animation cancel the boltgun

lazy

[muted peak]

Same

[split grove]

i'm guessing exe is for boltgun with puncture + pinning?

idk if helbore wants exe

[viscid salmon]

yea i tried it in psykanium, its kinda eh, doesnt seem to work or if it does then it doesnt change much

i might just put on headtaker and bleed stacks on special and call it a day

thrust also looks pretty interesting with the overhead heavy doing multiple instances of damage

[muted peak]

You could use the old mark for pinning a horde and group that way, or just melting a boss, I dont know about the new mark tho

Couldnt try it yet

[muted peak]

Yeah since elites dont get easily stagged by chaxe it will be a bit hard

Thrust is okay for elites I think

[viscid salmon]

i retract my previous statement about plasma gunners

this shit wack

[split grove]

smoke nades are once again, the goat

I have never lost with a good smoke vet

[viscid salmon]

wouldnt work with what im going for

[split grove]

I like to win my havocs so smokes are the most consistent

[viscid salmon]

if i decide to play havocs again then sure

[fossil creek]

I have yet to try a smoke vet

Do smoke grenades and executioners stance go well together?

Seems pretty handy

[split grove]

smoke in high havoc is very good cos plasmas shred ur teammates

the exe letting u see is a bonus

[solid grail]

Anybody know what armor type new plasma enemies are? I kinda feel like head is carapace

They tank a fully charged hellbore to the face like a champ

[grand perch]

Head is cara

[solid grail]

Rest flak I assume

[grand perch]

Some cara armoured spots on arms and legs I think? I forget. Rest flak

[regal belfry]

range maulers then...

[solid grail]

Need to test if they get oneshot with 25% carapace bonus on headshot with big boy helbore

[split grove]

what does the corrupted armor modifier do?

[solid grail]

I think it's % dmg reduction for ranged damage

Not sure

[split grove]

fml.

[sudden cedar]

@solid grail Head is Carapace, Main Body is Flak, you have Unarmored bits.

[steep flower]

Aka skill check modifier/fun modifier

[midnight wyvern]

big buff to it is easier access to the TDR and regen perks at the start too

[hasty pasture]

Does voc not give gold toughness anymore?

Or am I just dumb

[turbid ibex]

VoC was unchanged

[steep flower]

I mean… they were always easy… just ppl didn’t pick them up cause dumb

[midnight wyvern]

well, before they were through longshot

which was 💀

[steep flower]

Yeah only exilirating takedown was like taxed

[midnight wyvern]

others was kinda a choice at the start to get out for blood or confirmed kill cuz rest of tree kinda wants the points

[steep flower]

Rest tho; which is the core of any good vet build was not picked 100%

[midnight wyvern]

now you can get all of them and not really care lol

I lived off confirmed kill, but out for blood is really good for sustain

defintely felt it when running a WS build, felt very survivable for not alot of effort

[steep flower]

I always used both; only in recon builds i has just confirmed cause points below

[midnight wyvern]

[fossil creek]

yeah thats what i was thinking

i like voice of command alot but so far its all ive really usef

and with a hellbore lasgun i prefer using the exe stance

still gotta try the stealth one

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Looks like i have converted you.

[split grove]

is there a bpistol build for vet

like anything special can be used with bpistol

[turbid ibex]

The most standout thing about bistol is lethal proximity blessing

[split grove]

except i'm spamming smokes

so i can't really use that combo

[turbid ibex]

Uhh then no

[split grove]

i just like it

[turbid ibex]

Not really much bistol does in that case that other weapons wouldnt be better for

[split grove]

i'm just looking for something that's not plasma for high havoc

plasma is sucking my soul out

[turbid ibex]

Helbore, recon, bolter, new vigis, iauto

[grand perch]

Bpistol breakpoints already got fked by havoc. Not recommended

[split grove]

i guess i'll try vigis or helbore

do they need exe stance?

or just marksman focus

[turbid ibex]

Exestance is really nice for them

Marksman is also good if you can afford the pathing

[rugged bane]

Exe with the Helbore has been fun with this update

[autumn ferry]

havent tried it seriously yet boys hows the falchion

[steep flower]

To what

[stable socket]

after seeing helbore in action i am a firm believer in the weapon

oneshots everything except crusher/mauler, infinite ammo with survivalist + shock trooper + surgical, infinite wallhacks with exe stance

[steep flower]

Gloryhunter

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower That Rotten Armour is actually fun.

[steep flower]

’bUt mAh bReAkPoInTs’ ahh shit

[steep flower]

I always thought it was fun

[turbid ibex]

Its alright-ish

[steep flower]

Bruh pistol is still very good in havoc

[steep flower]

Very good

[tough vine]

So is the falchion just a flat upgrade?

[midnight wyvern]

yeah way better than the Power Sword

[tough vine]

Noice

[split grove]

Whats dump stat for helbore

Which mk

[rugged bane]

I usually dump Stability. Granted, I don't use the helbore a lot, so take this with a grain of salt

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-blingee-dolphin-picmix-gif-12978169509439366364

[bleak tendon]

Power flachion for stable power and safety, power sword for caveman rock smashing and high power

[split grove]

Ok for Mk4 Helbore

do i charge shot or tap

[woeful junco]

is there a helbore that you tap with?

[split grove]

idk i'm new to helbore

and vigi

i never used them

[turbid ibex]

Charge

You can use weight of fire blessing to make charging faster

[split grove]

surgical weight of fire it seems

[turbid ibex]

Ye

[split grove]

which vigilant is the best

[midnight wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/691960467790233662.gif?size=96

[midnight wyvern]

Graia

[tame lodge]

Closest to one is mk4

[split grove]

surgical deadly accurate
or
opening salvo ghost?

flak unarmored or maniac elite

i dont know why there are two recommendations for graia vigi

[grand perch]

because both are viable combos

you can go forced crits with surgical, which makes deadly accurate high value
or you can opt for ghost to be safe from enemy guns and get a damage boost with opening salvo

[split grove]

safe from guns lol, i'm smoker

[grand perch]

smoke

[split grove]

Aite i understand that part now

[rugged bane]

Agri for range, Graia for shredding at close quarters

[split grove]

Wait i thought vigilants are sniper guns

[grand perch]

hes thinking braced autoguns

not vigis

[rugged bane]

Even worse

Im thinking infantry

It's very early, my b

[grand perch]

or that yeah

[split grove]

maniac elite is probably the best for vigi?

vigi can't deal with cara can it?

[mortal aspen]

it can

[split grove]

what the hell

[mortal aspen]

if you go full reject it can

ES + MMF

[split grove]

Against rotten armor i just give up?

i just send the ogryns at them

[grand perch]

maniac flak, or maniac carapace if you go full sniper MMF exec mode imo

suppose maniac unyielding would be in the cards as well if you wanna add boss damage, not really needed for reaper or bulwark

[split grove]

so helbore mkv can destroy cara?

[grand perch]

mk IV is better at it

[split grove]

i mean 4 sorry

ok and vigi vs helbore which has better boss dps

[grand perch]

with full ranged damage build? probably helbore IV but both are considerable now

[split grove]

Happy that i can try these 2

and not be screaming all the time

for this section which nodes should i take or delete

[tame lodge]

Use your melee

[turbid ibex]

Which weapon are you using?

[tame lodge]

Rotten Armor modifier gives them some really nasty ranged resistance

[split grove]

either of em

helbore first

oh wait do i go tunnel vision and do the alt fire?

deadshot

i guess for helbore i want the dont consume ammo node?

[tame lodge]

Yes but also optional

[split grove]

maybe this for vigi?

then helbore i take no consume ammo

[tame lodge]

Helbore is pretty much ammo neutral

With shock trooper

[split grove]

altho i dont think helbore eats so much ammo tbh

[tame lodge]

It becomes ammo positive

[split grove]

I feel ok with it

ammo positive is crazy...

lowkey i just grab more rending

Aite gonna give these builds a try

[fossil creek]

Tried out the Hellbore aswell, very ammo efficient.@split grove

I never seem to run out.

[distant mural]

Is there a hellbore u tap with?

I think id like that more.

[thin stone]

does focus target pairs better on infantry lasguns? or marksmans focus?

[turbid ibex]

Both should work

Only problem really is ilas itself

[thin stone]

why?

that gun is based

[turbid ibex]

Its mediocre rn

[thin stone]

eh, definetly usable in havoc40

I can't but I've seen others use it very successfully

[distant mural]

Its like the laspistol its good but it struggles with armour.

Imo

[turbid ibex]

Ilas kinda got left in the dust over time

[turbid ibex]

It also has pretty poor mobility

Like slightly worse than the bolter

[distant mural]

Lol i never noticed

Nothing beats bolter for me still sadly

[winter spoke]

krak grenade feels really good

[distant mural]

Yeah might switch to kraks too

[topaz scroll]

Heyy anyone figured out a good build for the hellbore yet?

[distant mural]

Crushers be scary now

[turbid ibex]

Also most of its blessing options are duds

[thin stone]

then should I use recon las?

[distant mural]

Apperently its a skill issue for me

[split grove]

uh can u hipfire helbore?

[distant mural]

I just cant aim fast enough with it

[split grove]

in the thick of the fight i sometimes tunnel vision lol

[turbid ibex]

If you want a mobile high fire rate gun with a fuckton of ammo yes

[thin stone]

why is the ilas not mobile?

[distant mural]

Yeah i liked recon las with exe stance

[turbid ibex]

Mobility stats are almost identical to the bolter

[distant mural]

No clue

[thin stone]

bruh

[distant mural]

Apparently slower then bolter

[turbid ibex]

With moving spread actually being slightly worse

[distant mural]

Wich is allready slow

[turbid ibex]

Not actually slower but almost identical stats

[distant mural]

I allways just look at my melee tbh

Cause i switch to it to move

[turbid ibex]

It also has a deceptively low ammo count

[distant mural]

Really?

I thought its so good

[willow prairie]

i love backend error

[turbid ibex]

A max ammo roll has an effective 36/240 ammo count on the mk7

[willow prairie]

truly the hardest enemy in the game

[turbid ibex]

And 36/212 on the mk9

[distant mural]

Server skill issue

Get gud

[mortal aspen]

36 shots is not low

[turbid ibex]

Mk2b does actually have a lot of ammo though

[mortal aspen]

for a semi-auto

[turbid ibex]

For a lasgun it kinda is

[distant mural]

I allways disliked the ammo counting of las weapons

Stoopid imo

[turbid ibex]

Yeah

[distant mural]

For the hellbore it makes some sense i guess but for the rest its just weird

[turbid ibex]

For the helbore it makes sense cause charged shots consume more ammo but for everything else its pointless

[thin stone]

Anyone got that spicy recon las + power-sword/power-falcon build for vet?

krak/shredder both work, shout/marksman as well

[mortal aspen]

for auric everything is good and fun rn

[thin stone]

I mean for havoc 40

[mortal aspen]

i was just saying in general, not responding to that

[tame lodge]

Closest to that is the mk4

Higher damage per shot means that you can get away with some uncharged shots against basic stuff

[distant mural]

Is it good tho?

Or should i be charging

[tame lodge]

The tapping play style? Not really

[distant mural]

Darn

[tame lodge]

You should be charging

Specially because Mk4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game

[distant mural]

Do you allways charge all the way?

Does it make a difference?

[tame lodge]

Preferably

[split grove]

ok i hate vigi

[midnight wyvern]

am I supposed to be throwing smokes at my feet?

at enemy?

between me and enemy?

where i want to go?

all of the above?

[split grove]

feet

where u want to go

only those 2

[midnight wyvern]

so we want to be in the smoke

Got it

[mortal aspen]

why?

popping heads is fun

[split grove]

the helbore feels more fun with the cadence

they both feel the same gun

[crude wind]

@split grove check kuli's guide on steam for a mechanical guidance on smokes

[woeful junco]

yes, the dmg scales with charge

[frigid tiger]

Running a Combat Axe and Las Pistol w/ Smokes is definitely a vibe

Speaking of which...what are the best Blessings for Combat Axe? Headtaker for sure

[willow prairie]

how do i build revolver again

[frigid tiger]

Depends on the mark

[woeful junco]

brutal momentum

[willow prairie]

the non fanning one

[frigid tiger]

Surgical and the Weakspot one is what I run

and take at least one of the reload perks, it definitely helps

[turbid ibex]

Brumentum headtaker

[sonic pecan]

Compared to relic blade and other weapons added since the base game the bolter marks and power falchion seem absolutely garbage in anything beyond malice.

[frigid tiger]

Power Falchion feels better than Power Sword, but they both feel terrible

Falchion suffers from the same problem that Sword does, hits like a wet paper bag when not powered up

[sonic pecan]

its bad, and the bolter marks feel like a straight downgrade

[mortal aspen]

from what I read, falchion seems like an example of a balanced weapon

compared to absolute bullshit

[frigid tiger]

At this point, I think all power weapons should be converted to a gauge.

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s not good enough

Blessings are bad

[sonic pecan]

oh well, maybe in 2027

they will fix things right before dropping darktide 2

[frigid tiger]

I don't know, I feel like even VM2 gets more support than DT

[pseudo fiber]

An important reminder the only reason they made vermintide 2 is because they couldn't get careers to work in vermintide 1

[sharp epoch]

gauge mechanic is terrible in a horde shooter

oop overheated on the middle of a fight im cooked

[frigid tiger]

Tested the explosion blessing, doesn't even work.

[turbid ibex]

Not really

[autumn ferry]

my mouse side button cries whenever i bust out the power sword

[atomic void]

works great for relic blade

its very fun

helps that rb isnt a wet noodle unpowered

so u know when to turn it on and off

and powered state is pretty generous anyway

[turbid ibex]

Psyker peril is also just a overheat mechanic

[tall torrent]

It kinda is

[atomic void]

its ok if you're beating up trash

[tall torrent]

Vs most enemies that matter u want it turned on 100% of the time

Otherwise it’s just ass

[atomic void]

i never have heat issues and im not exactly a good player idk

its very ez to manage

[tall torrent]

And its blessings are meh

[atomic void]

blessing pool is meh yeah

[tall torrent]

Should have given it perfect strike

[atomic void]

there's like 3 or 4 good ones

and the rest are funny on block blessings

[tall torrent]

2

[atomic void]

carnial, wrath, rampage, heatsink

[tall torrent]

Heatsink is dogshit

Lmao

[atomic void]

heatsink, overload is a funny combo

just dont bring it to havoc

[tall torrent]

Heatsink gotta be the most bait blessing ever

[atomic void]

give it sunder

its only fair

[tall torrent]

Nah perfect strike since it actually has to fight unpowered

[tame lodge]

Power Cycler

I don't know
Make it extend from 30 seconds to 90

[atomic void]

make overload a mini psyker screech

if you're making funny blessings might as go all the way

[turbid ibex]

Brumentum headtaker

For every melee

[tame lodge]

Pstrike but no shred

So you build 50% CRIT chance

And start gambling

[tall torrent]

60%

[tame lodge]

Let's go gambling

Aw dangit

Ahem
How can we fix falchion

[turbid ibex]

Crazy Diamond

[atomic void]

relic blade my goat

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/fandom-fun-fandom-fun-gaming-jjba-jojos-bizarre-adventure-crazy-diamond-gif-25035800

[tall torrent]

Give it 2x its current damage 💀

[hearty panther]

):

[tame lodge]

Curaaaaazy Diamondo

[hearty panther]

YATATATATATATA

[tame lodge]

Like FS is going to do that

[atomic void]

i wanna try RB marty with shroudfield

gonna be very funny

[tame lodge]

Just bump it up another 20%

[orchid hemlock]

Hello chat

[tame lodge]

In line with Rashad

[tall torrent]

Martyr unfortunately mogged by IJ still

[tall torrent]

Nah not good enough

2x

[orchid hemlock]

Is there any reason NOT to take weakspot CDR? 💀

[hearty panther]

Yeah they were pretty neck and neck but then they gave IJ its 20 stacks back

Curious choice

[turbid ibex]

Pathing

[tall torrent]

Turning the sword on to experience Rashad for 15s then it turns off is ass

[tame lodge]

To compete with Psword?

That's crazy

[atomic void]

i will also try the funny thammer 1 shot shroudfield build but with IJ instead of marty

[tall torrent]

No to compete with Rashad lol

[orchid hemlock]

Doesn't everyone go to that side to take the 2 nodes anyways?

[tame lodge]

Lmao

[tall torrent]

It’s doable with IJ

U just need backstabber and that +50% backstab on 8s CD talent

[atomic void]

that talent is crazy

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately TH still meh

[tame lodge]

Time to kill

[tall torrent]

It’s good at 1 thing and ass at everything else

[tame lodge]

What a name

[atomic void]

hammer still not comparable to the "good" ones but i'd be lying if i say i didnt enjoy 1 shotting every boss in boss malestrom

[tall torrent]

Don’t play TH in event lmao you’ll get quadruple penetrated by plasma shots while ur stunned from doing a single powered heavy atk

[tame lodge]

Ok so

Ironhelm it is

[hearty panther]

Learned this real quick with chain weps

[tall torrent]

Ironhelm same problem

[atomic void]

simply give big thundie the funny blessing they gave to power maul

crowd nuke

[midnight wyvern]

the boss will be dead though

they should give TH a ground slam attack, big AoE knockdown

[tall torrent]

Pathing
Cuz it would take 3 points to grab if you’re going hard crit spec

[tall torrent]

Half the boss spawns are captains and TH is ass vs captains

[midnight wyvern]

just headshot them

[tall torrent]

U can’t headshot on void shield

[midnight wyvern]

its like the single best weapon at dealing actual HP damage to them

it does suck dog at shield though

[tame lodge]

Ah yes

Weapon bad

[tall torrent]

Nah

[tame lodge]

Therefore just headshot

[midnight wyvern]

1 shots them, guys its not enough damage

[tame lodge]

What's their head again

Flak?

[tall torrent]

Yea

U do less vs flak than vs carapace and unyielding

lol

[tame lodge]

Yeah just go Evis3 and spam L1 at their heads

[tall torrent]

TH is only good vs unyielding

[willow prairie]

what stun storm do again

[winter spoke]

this update didnt do much for infiltrate in auric, huh

[willow prairie]

yeah

[tame lodge]

AoE Stun

[turbid ibex]

Yesn't

[tall torrent]

Unyielding is kinda less important than before given how much emphasis is placed onto unarmored / flak / carapace this patch

[tame lodge]

Was it 7 meters 8 seconds

Stun everything not a monstrosity

[turbid ibex]

The ability itself really got hurt by the tactical awareness nerf

[atomic void]

i mean if someone is taking thundie they're "ideally" taking a cc gun

flamer or new bolter even

fun combo

[willow prairie]

man piety knife is so fun to play

[atomic void]

until fartyshark adds aftershock to the game big thundie wont be a horde clear weapon

sad!

[turbid ibex]

But the improved pathing in the reworked tree makes it much easier to take infiltrate

And the damage bonus modifier being part of the base ability helps

[willow prairie]

is there anything the fanning revolver good for

on zealot

[atomic void]

style points

boss dmg

[willow prairie]

i have enough aura as is

[hearty panther]

and style points

[willow prairie]

also pairing with knife

[hearty panther]

no you dont, not if you had to ask

[orchid hemlock]

This level? 🤔

[turbid ibex]

Ive never seen much use for the fan revolver over the ads one

[atomic void]

cosplaying cowboys

[hearty panther]

fanvolver reload is snappy as fuck

[turbid ibex]

Right it reloads all at once

[tall torrent]

You’re asking a question about zealot in veteran class chat you might as well have negative aura

[turbid ibex]

Instead of 1 at a time

[hearty panther]

shit's just fun

ye and its a tiered reload

reload - swap, push - swap back, continue - swap, push - swap back, complete

[willow prairie]

damn the breakpiont kinda ass

[grand perch]

i need to test it in the current patch but you can overspecialise in boss damage with the agrip revolver and just delete bosses

[tame lodge]

Style points

[hearty panther]

You're gonna want Anoint in Blood

IJ also boosts ranged damage.

[willow prairie]

im running shroud

[tame lodge]

Hmm my controller aim wasn't bad

[willow prairie]

curios stam tough x2

[hearty panther]

That still the cowboy revolver?

Surgical ain't really it

[willow prairie]

oh no it the normal one

[hearty panther]

Don't like Desperation? Can save you from taking the revive node

[tame lodge]

Yes

[hearty panther]

If you crit it will do the cleave

Doesn't matter where it comes from.

After that it's stacking.

[tall torrent]

Take desperation for knife

[hearty panther]

Desperation buff so nice.

Now I don't have to deliberately zero my stamina lmao

[willow prairie]

which one is it again

[hearty panther]

Left above bene

[orchid hemlock]

20% based on how low your stamina is

Tbh I take it all of the time because I am always at 0 stamina

💀

[unreal nova]

Still doing it by just sprinting at things like a goof.

[fossil creek]

how tf do i make my weapons sainted

[unreal nova]

Mod.

[fossil creek]

ah

[hearty panther]

With 3x sprint eff and Swift Certainty and a combat knife that's a lot of sprinting.

[willow prairie]

ok the game frame time is ass wtf

[hearty panther]

what's your frame time

[unreal nova]

I smurt, I take stam regen over that.

[hearty panther]

i do both

[unreal nova]

Hurp.

[willow prairie]

120 but it jumping from 7-10ms

[sudden cedar]

Kari needs it anyway. More stamina means more panicking

[willow prairie]

not this bad before update

[hearty panther]

ah so it's hitching

[unreal nova]

I run CDR and Toughness for pub build.

[hearty panther]

have you played a full round yet

[willow prairie]

yeah i was wondering why it was ass

[unreal nova]

No. 17 stam, still panic on psyker.

[hearty panther]

i had tremendous hitches until about 10m into my first match and no issues since

[tall torrent]

Win11 runs like ass

[willow prairie]

true

[hearty panther]

im stll on w10 lol

[willow prairie]

cant do anything about it

[hearty panther]

i got linux shell ready to go but im lazy and afraid

[tall torrent]

Do Linux

[willow prairie]

modding is ass on linux

i own a deck

[tall torrent]

Dual boot so u can still use win11

[tall torrent]

No it’s completely fine for me lol

[willow prairie]

it fine when it work

linux tldr

[tall torrent]

It never broke

[grand perch]

on an unrelated note, plasma is boring but it looks so nice in darkness

[willow prairie]

i dont mean as in break something i mean as in if something dont work i dont know how to fix it lmao

[tall torrent]

I troubleshoot everything with AI and it’s been working so far

Fixed legit every problem I’ve had lol

[sly orchid]

inb4 you get a gamebreaking bug so severe not even verifying the files will fix it

permanently breaking your darktide install

[willow prairie]

how do you do that lmao

proton exist

amazing btw

[hearty panther]

oh yea i gotta use the plasma now that i have RTX

see the liiiights

[mortal aspen]

yeah

[void dragon]

Such are the consequences of the use of abominable intelligence

[tall torrent]

I’ve had that
Still fixed it tho

[hearty panther]

"I'll have a coffee black, with two cream." Even off work I can't fucken escape it

[agile mango]

anyone else think plasma is still the best gun?

feels stronger after the update somehow

[void dragon]

Was it changed? If not then it makes sense since veteran itself got buffed

[mortal aspen]

it wasn't, so yeah

[agile mango]

they nerfed ammo

[mortal aspen]

they didn't

[agile mango]

they did.

[mortal aspen]

or it's a bug

the only ammo nerf is for bolter

[agile mango]

they also said they didn't mess with DS but that isn't true

[mortal aspen]

DS "nerfs" are in the patch notes

[agile mango]

if you play a game with plasma, ammo is now like 104 instead of 135

[agile mango]

it's so much better now

[unreal nova]

Plasma now needs both talents to have the same as old, I feel like.

The ammo pool and clip size.

[woeful junco]

plasma and ds are unchanged

ammo and stagger bugs are global

[turbid ibex]

Keep in mind the stagger calculations are fucked rn

[woeful junco]

or well ds is not unchanged obv

but it didnt receive buffs to stagger

[agile mango]

so we'll get our ammo back probably?

[woeful junco]

yeah for sure.

the bug is that anything with an ammo stat is defaulting to 50% of the value no matter what the actual percentage is

iirc

[mortal aspen]

I think it's really funny to lower DS ADM

[unreal nova]

Wait, all guns got nerfed ammo wise? Seems to need both talents to get old base numbers.

[mortal aspen]

it's technically a nerf

but does absolutely nothing in practice

like actually nothing xdd

[agile mango]

I genuinely think the parry plus the vet buffs makes the DS overall a stronger weapon now

[unreal nova]

Oh. That explains why Bistol escaped it.

[agile mango]

why even use devil's claw anymore?

[woeful junco]

thats because not all of the dsword nerfs were actually implemented. i blame the chinese reviewbombers

i suspect their shenanigans scared fs

(for the unaware, there was leaked changelogs for dsword and plasma in a chinese devblog. a lot of chinese players responded with reviewbombs.)

[unreal nova]

It is a fairly big moneybase, also Tencent will want to cater to their whims.

To some degree.

[agile mango]

i remember that

[atomic void]

they're still review bombing

over various other things

[woeful junco]

at least steam now separates review scores by language lol

[atomic void]

lemme show u a funny

[woeful junco]

so they dont ruin the steam reviews in the western market

[atomic void]

i said "skill issue" to a random angry chinese guy and this guy been hugging my nuts since then

[hearty panther]

So those were actually leaks

[spark helm]

What does Tencent have to do with Darktide?

[hearty panther]

Also what stagger bug lol

[sudden cedar]

@atomic void That is.. damn.

[tame lodge]

Unironically
Parry spam

[woeful junco]

it was in an official devblog, what else would it be

[atomic void]

its very funny ill keep responding to him

wonder how far he'll go

[tame lodge]

Spamming parry on dclaw is faster than spamming parry on DS

[woeful junco]

yikes

[tame lodge]

You did it Fatshark

[hearty panther]

i dont believe shit i read on the internet on principle so

[tame lodge]

You turned dclaw into a parry stick

Good job

[hearty panther]

and i did not follow up on it lol

[sudden cedar]

@atomic void His insults don't get more creative too. It's just variations of the same. I wonder when he will run out.

[atomic void]

yeah exactly

just the same phrase

chinese roast game is mid ngl

[agile mango]

can do that with DS as well now, no?

[tame lodge]

Yes you can parry

[unreal nova]

Parent company. They bought majority share in Fatshark.

[tame lodge]

But dclaw parry spam is faster

So legit

Dclaw dead

[agile mango]

is "on your toes" worth it for weapon specialist vet?

[sudden cedar]

@atomic void Out of curiosity, what was the original.. uhm.. conversation that led to this? Something about Plasma Gunners?

[agile mango]

or is out for blood better?

[atomic void]

one of the angry review bombers was complaining about "nerfs" so i simply responded with a "skill issue"

cdr nerf to be exact

[sudden cedar]

That is, indeed, a skill issue. It means they have been relying too much on their cooldowns and not on raw gameplay.

I.e. attack, combos, dodging, that stuff.

[unreal nova]

Out for blood is generalist. Throw 2 'nades and everyone is full.

If you have born leader.

[regal belfry]

hellbore still feels bad

[serene bough]

They seem like a very pleasant person

[unreal nova]

I mean, is fine when you forget to spam it at times. XD

[regal belfry]

which blessings does the power falchion want

[buoyant aurora]

Awwh, it kicks ass IMO

[regal belfry]

i tried it with one motion...

[unreal nova]

Cranial with the leakage or heatsink.

[regal belfry]

what about decapitator?

[tame lodge]

Unreliable

Too unreliable

[regal belfry]

thats fine

just wanted to know the reasoning

[turbid ibex]

Decapitator requires getting the target from 100% to 0 hp in one attack

So any kind of chip damage just completely turns it off

[regal belfry]

or psyker dots

is it bad that i still find hellbore to clunky to use

[midnight wyvern]

doesn't turn it off it just stops it from procing on that enemy

unless you mean chip from others

could just be handy for clearing chaff but 120% possible finesse sounds like overkill lmao

[dreamy spade]

https://youtu.be/vEECk3FzAg4

[midnight wyvern]

unironically makes the uncharged kill horde not half bad

[untold mulch]

Is a bug or a nerf that we have less ammo in mag rn?

[tame lodge]

Bug

Weapons with ammo stat is getting defaulted to 50%

Iirc

Fix soon

On 1.9.2

[untold mulch]

I logged on for the first time in a while and was like why tf my recon has 150 shots only

Thanks

[sudden cedar]

Bugs

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/nalog-gif-25906765

[sonic pecan]

they made major changes and broke the game, its fatshark

[serene sage]

no hate but this feels like the most boring way to play the game...
run, wait for nade recharge, hit barrels, throw nade
if in trouble, hit stealth

[sonic pecan]

does look grindy

[tame lodge]

You can revive people on fire now

[sudden cedar]

I don't like this.

[serene sage]

what is this stagger bug? I am not aware

[mortal aspen]

BABY GAME

[void dragon]

Was the bolter that oppressive in it's ammo efficiency? I thought that it was fine but ObeseFish thought that it needed a nerf

[mortal aspen]

everything has giga stagger on all attacks for some reason

something like that

[willow prairie]

yeah

that explains the ds stagger

[regal belfry]

i dislike the new plasma gunners they feel like they gonna limit weapons a bit

[void dragon]

Have been running smoke strictly to counter the plasma gunners, you can get nuked if they are walking into melee to the tip of my power sword

Imo their fire rate is a little absurd

[regal belfry]

that with they heavier armor and supression resistance are pain

[willow prairie]

general consensus is that they kinda ass

[mortal aspen]

why would they

[void dragon]

They are maulers but gunner, which means their should have better telegraphing

[regal belfry]

cause of the armor types

[mortal aspen]

they're just ranged maulers

[void dragon]

Specially since they are so silent, the cue of they spawning is you getting shot

[regal belfry]

head carapace and else flack some weapons are bad against that

[mortal aspen]

flak is paper, carapace is tightly stacked paper

[void dragon]

I have used a sniper build and It feels good to one tap their stupid heads, praise smokers and sniper helbores

[mortal aspen]

big true

smokes fuck them up

[regal belfry]

vigiliant and infantry lasguns and the laspistols are bad against those cause they tend to focus more on finesse damage and don't have the best armor pierce

[void dragon]

LasPistol can do it because bodyshots can burn them good, but the range is the issue, reason why I'm loving smokes

[woeful junco]

Stagger equation was changed but they forgot to change a constant at the end of it. So enemies are lowballing their stagger resist. Fix soon probs

[void dragon]

They are sissies in melee

[regal belfry]

try to get into meele without smokes

[serene sage]

thank you!

[void dragon]

Hank, tell them to not Nerf the ammo of the new Mk of the bolter, it is already an ammo void and it doesn't need to be worse because splash rounds, PLZ!

[tame lodge]

Yup

[void dragon]

Specially since the base bolter got nerfed

[tame lodge]

That's my goat

Right there

Thx fatfish

[woeful junco]

Nobody's talking about nerfs for that thing as far as I can see, relax

[void dragon]

Why you thinky alternative was sniper helbore? Melee into them is dangerous as hell

[tame lodge]

Just like that one time they forgot to write the end of the Penetration of the soul equation

🚬

[woeful junco]

Classic FS

[void dragon]

I will believe your wisdom, but it does eat lots of ammo so far I have tried it

[turbid ibex]

ye tbh i feel like with the regular bolter getting an ammo nerf the new mark further reducing your ammo seems unnecessary

[void dragon]

Specially since it's splash is more cc than damage, even vs fodder enemies

[tall torrent]

Their existence def knocks TH and chain-weapons down a bit lol

[tall torrent]

Least insane C++ code author

[mortal aspen]

weren't chain weapons giga buffed vs cara?

[void dragon]

Iirc they were buffed in general? What were the numbers again?

[tall torrent]

It’s still not good vs carapace
And animation locking urself is ass

You’d get quadruple penetrated by plasma shots doing a single saw-rip atk on them lol

[gilded wraith]

How does double barrel handle weak spot hits? If it's a full body hit including weak spot, does weakspot take priority?

[sudden cedar]

@turbid ibex You do know that the reduced ammo is a bug, yes?

[turbid ibex]

bolter ammo nerf was intentional

[sudden cedar]

Alright

[turbid ibex]

and the new mark further reduces ammo

[floral creek]

What do you guys complement with the power sword?

[grand perch]

anything at all

[void dragon]

What does the "(Also now the reserves amount will be an actual multiple of the magazine size)" means? If we increase the ammo on the magazine we get more ammo per pick up?

[tender pasture]

Had a stupid idea to go Shred/BM on the Rashad with WS

[turbid ibex]

bolter used to have 100 reserve and 15 magazine

[tender pasture]

Between Skirmisher, AE, and EW you hit bps

[turbid ibex]

that means if you only reloaded when empty your last reload wouldnt be the full 15 rounds

[tender pasture]

Reciprocity + Shred is a lot of crits

[void dragon]

Ok, thanks for explaining to dumb ole me

[faint beacon]

You don’t really need to seeing Veteran just generates crits for free now

HT/BM you’d get more value from

10% base Crit + Recip + Desperado

[tender pasture]

Yeah main thing that crits make a difference on is the big fellas

[mortal aspen]

Rashad weakspot crits hit almost as hard as a DS poke

[willow prairie]

run knife + uncanny flesh tearer

piety who

[tender pasture]

Trades away a bit of QoL on the chaff for faster Crusher bonking

[woeful junco]

The pellets that hit the weakspot deal weakspot damage, the pellets that hit the body do body damage

[faint beacon]

Local reminder that Vigilants are high havoc viable now

[hearty panther]

this little pellet went to the weakspot
this little pellet went to the body
and this little pellet went squeeling all the way to the market

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-keep-the-rent-low-in-my-neighbourhoo-chief-keef-gif-5043739507113617112

[void dragon]

Bold claim, you have a build to back it up?

[faint beacon]

Yeah I’ll toss it when I’m home

You want the Graia/Agri or the Columnus

[serene sage]

why toss it if you think it's havoc viable huh? check mate

[void dragon]

Yes (I want em all)

[faint beacon]

True

I need to gatekeep it..

[faint beacon]

I kid you not it’s literally the difference of 1 talent

[hollow ibex]

i really can't stand graia carapace damage...

[void dragon]

Because those Vigilant auto guns are Tediore made?

Genuinely want that kind of implementation for the Inf Lasguns

[faint beacon]

also Kraks are fucking HILARIOUS in havoc now after their changes

[void dragon]

Want me overcharging improvised grenade

[tender pasture]

Tediore?

[sonic pecan]

they should have given us meltas and melta charges

[faint beacon]

Run Agri

[sly orchid]

Do they kill crushers?

[faint beacon]

Graia and Column are .05 Cara ADM

[faint beacon]

Tinkerer yes

[void dragon]

A borderlands gun brand, they explode on reload so the PCs toss them to enemies

[faint beacon]

If not no

But twinned blast

[serene sage]

i think its borderlands reference

[faint beacon]

Is so fucking funny with them

[sly orchid]

Peak

[faint beacon]

It’s just shy an insta without

Also twinned blast Kraks are so fucking funny with the magnet change

Literally watch one completely miss then a Mauler around the corner get heat seeked by it

[tall torrent]

Cheaper too cuz no need for grenadier

[tall torrent]

Did they fix twinned krak’s homing?

[faint beacon]

Yeah

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[faint beacon]

They’re absolutely disgusting

[tall torrent]

Are they actually worth running tho

[faint beacon]

Did a H32 last night with Bumner and Ainz

Absolutely

[tall torrent]

Like

[faint beacon]

I kept making cara hordes vanish on rotten armor

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t it just both stick to the same guy most of the time?

[hollow ibex]

i think they home to separate targets now

[mortal aspen]

do you have to go all in on the left tree to make them work in Havoc?

it's funny in auric, sure

[sly orchid]

4 kraks is so nice to use

[midnight wyvern]

depends where they fly to, it may spread enough to go to other targets, just depends

[gilded wraith]

@woeful junco neat, that's more advanced than I anticipated

[faint beacon]

I’m running WS focused right with like

A tinsy bit in left

[tender pasture]

Rotten Armour Crushers are an oof rn so kraks sorting them is helpful

[woeful junco]

There's a very complex stats system behind the scenes. The only thing it isn't rendering is bullet physics, for weapons like shotguns and such it's all hitscan.

[faint beacon]

Yes and no

Crushers yes

Maulers no

[gilded wraith]

Cool, so Exhilarating Takedown could be functional on a double barrel build.

[faint beacon]

Rotten armor + Encroaching is the most difficult of the new season

Kraks genuinely make it far more manageable

[sudden cedar]

Smite.

[gilded wraith]

If anyone has uptime numbers they'd be willing to share for Bruiser, Tactical Awareness, Invocation of Death, or Psykinetic's Aura I'm trying to collect some data and would appreciate the help.

[shrewd nova]

@faint beacon Do you think you could share your build? I'm running a WS build, and I wanted to see what other people are doing.

[sly orchid]

What about rotten armor stims

[faint beacon]

Stims is hard

But

[green jungle]

I'm not good at using heavy attacks during melee combat, zealot and ogryn having uninterruptible perks spoiled me, how do I properly integrate push and prevent myself from using push attacks?

[faint beacon]

Garden makes it to where bosses and rotted cara can heal infinitely

[willow prairie]

bruh my laptop just auto updated

it's joeover

[sudden cedar]

Yeah..well.

Anyway.

[mortal aspen]

wdym

[sudden cedar]

Depending on the weapon, push attacks are very good.

[faint beacon]

Columnus or Agri/Graia

[mortal aspen]

just push and then charge a heavy

[green jungle]

I often hold it down too long and can't seem to rewire my brain to let go sooner

[faint beacon]

Agri/Graia are basically interchangeable

[atomic void]

healing in havoc is the worst shit ever idk how anyone likes it
it could have been cool if it was an enemy u could isolate and target but nope HEALING CAPTAINS BE UPON YEE

[shrewd nova]

Oh, cool

[green jungle]

I think walkers lagging in the horde come up after my push while I'm charging as well

[faint beacon]

Like I kid you not Columnus vs those 2 marks are the difference of one talent

And the upper/grenade path is dependent on Blitz

[faint beacon]

When the boss is purple that’s good

Cause he can’t heal

[atomic void]

sorry i meant bosses getting healed

[faint beacon]

However it is annoying when he’s got a gang of Cara following him

[atomic void]

as in, u get spammed with bosses and one of them is healing the rest

very cool

[serene bough]

I usually brought kraks into havoc w/ purple for this reason

Very frustrating

[faint beacon]

Krak changes honestly kneecaps encroaching carapace quite a bit

Especially those fucking purple bulwarks

[sly orchid]

Thats if you have a teammate with kraks

[faint beacon]

Honestly

The Blitz’s outside of maybe smoke needing something to encourage staying in it

Are all equal

[heavy rover]

yeah if I've got a purple havoc match I'm bringing focus target w/ focused fire modifier and a helbore. Specifically hunt for anyone purple

[thorn lark]

a krakmate

[faint beacon]

Seeing tax pathing no longer exists for them

Literally bring the right blitz for the job is what I can boil it down too

[tropic halo]

holy shit its him

[faint beacon]

If you’re struggling with horde, shredders

Carapace? Kraks

Plasma gunners pissing you off and your team? Smokes

[serene bough]

Agreed, I used kraks a lot even before the buffs and it had all kind of tax points, now those taxes are gone and kraks are further buffed

Kraks are even good against pus armor reapers too

[faint beacon]

Imagine how I felt unironically liking smokes

[willow prairie]

is there anyway to rename character

[tender pasture]

Does the Uncanny Bleed interaction still exist?

[faint beacon]

With it being the most taxed side

[faint beacon]

Krall

[tropic halo]

yes visist barber

[tender pasture]

Didn't see anything about in patch notes

[faint beacon]

Personality scourge

[tropic halo]

personality scourge

[willow prairie]

smoke is just too ass for non havoc back then

[faint beacon]

Not till plasma gunners are tweaked

[tender pasture]

Smoke also comes into its own in Havoc

[faint beacon]

Smokes have an insane value right now

Lmao

[heavy rover]

Commissar, I'm trying to sneak around but the clap of my ass cheeks keep alerting the heretics

[tender pasture]

More regen and actually screens against genuine punishment

[willow prairie]

it basically a shield that throwable

[serene bough]

There's some smoke advocates in here so not too crazy to like them (im 100% not one of those advocates lol)

[tropic halo]

smokes kinda karking stink

[heavy rover]

das me, I'm a smokes advocate

[tender pasture]

Plus it borks AI hard if you're inclined to exploit that

[serene bough]

But if plasma gunners are as bad as people say they are currently smokes may have an additional niche

[willow prairie]

they're as bad as people say

[serene bough]

U r wrong (jk)

[heavy rover]

no I'm helping

gestures name

[tender pasture]

Plasma gunners are like snipers that spawn in shotgunner quantities

OG shotgunners

[grand perch]

tanky snipers at that

with higher RoF

[turbid ibex]

true

[serene bough]

I would like to play havoc but I have not had time

[grand perch]

i wanna bring kraks for rotten armor but then the plasma gunners get you more easily. if you bring smokes, no easy armor wave deletion. dangit man

[faint beacon]

Plasma 2 taps you in Havoc btw

1 toughness 1 instant down HP

[grand perch]

its havocs first iteration all over again

when regular shooters were all plasma gunners basically

[mortal aspen]

almost sounds like there might be teamwork required

almost

[heavy rover]

wait it just occured to me, would plasma shooters make Ghost on lasgun viable again? I"m assuming so

[grand perch]

hard to come by in pub havocs

[hearty panther]

stimmed up shooters can fire off a 45 round salvo, its hysterical

[heavy rover]

oh wait nvm they're carapace on the head

[faint beacon]

I don’t think so

[mortal aspen]

ofc it's hard, when Fatshark have been doing their best to make everyone be able to deal with everything on their own

[grand perch]

you know what else has ghost? vigis

[faint beacon]

Issue is the AOE will still apply the debuff

[heavy rover]

yeah, better to run helbore and smokes

[tender pasture]

Hellbore with ghost would be very funny

[faint beacon]

You know what recently got buffed?

Vigils

[grand perch]

crushers

[faint beacon]

Honestly I recommend running Taxe

If you can’t run Kraks

You need that raw mobility and damage juicing it offers

[heavy rover]

https://tenor.com/view/my-mom-muscle-man-regular-show-my-parent-my-guardian-gif-12193636264512365062

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-man-you-know-who-else-my-mom-regular-show-funny-gif-9101122073397073314

But yeah smokes are honestly a big go too solely cause of Plasma

It’ll probably be the “Worst” options once they get tweaked

[thick needle]

Do we know how all the damage/strength bonuses stack or is it all spaghetti in there

[faint beacon]

Hence I think they could use something extra

[grand perch]

who says theyre getting tweaked

pox bomber is still around untweaked

[serene bough]

Too much armor

You'd tank their shots but ilas isn't effective enough for several targets

Nor could you kill em

[brittle turtle]

Except they also have insane armor too

[faint beacon]

I recall they were slightly around release but then left alone

[brittle turtle]

Pox bombers are still easy to shoot down, have clear sound indications, and even have a few skills (anti corruption) recently introduced (Yes, the skills in question suck)

Plasma ? You just stay out of their LOS or die

Like, telling plasma gunners from the rest, in the middle of a very chaotic fight, is so much harder than it sounds

They need to change their sound and visual indicators, as well as tweak their spawn numbers

[rose jewel]

Has anyone tried Combat Blade with Mercy Killer + Uncanny with the new Serrated Blade talent?

[tender pasture]

Plasma Gunners need to occasionally explode from rapid fire

Poxburster level explosions

[turbid ibex]

plasma gunners should be specialists with proper sound cues for spawning

instead of elites

[hollow ibex]

they're both bullshit tbh

[brittle turtle]

give them the skaven treatment

[tender pasture]

They're trying to spawn them as ambient roamers is the issue

[faint beacon]

Honestly

I think what they should do

[hollow ibex]

the cues don't even fucking work

[native robin]

Good idea. Now what voice lines should they have?

[hollow ibex]

what happend to their glowing eyes when they're shooting

they just straight up don't work

and even when they do, good luck seeing them behind a wall of crushers/bulwarks

[mortal aspen]

I'm gonna plasma all over you, loyalist scum!

[willow prairie]

flesh tearer + uncanny is better

vet getting so much crit now

it's slightly worse/better single target but much better horde clear

[faint beacon]

After a certain volley they are forced to cool down their gun

[slow spade]

Plasma gunners should spawn with bulwark escorts UwU

[sly orchid]

imagine exploding plasma gunners

[turbid ibex]

"Doesnt feel good to be in the receiving end of these now does it?" (in reference to how their plasma guns were stolen from a shipment to the warband)
"Why even bother with flamers when i can melt them from this far"
"I love the smell of superheated plasma and melted loyalists in the morning"

[analog mural]

They do yellow barrel damage to you

And just like flamers, when they first introduce it they will be bugged and you won't be able to tell when they are going to explode

[green jungle]

smokes are underrated, you can't dodge plasma gunners properly, but it definitely stops them and snipers once you see them

[brittle turtle]

The issue is that they behave like shotgunners, so they'll get close and keep shooting

[grand perch]

covering fire is the new longshot for purposes of deciding if a vet knows what hes doing, i decided

[hearty panther]

I think they're totally fine lmao

[mortal aspen]

that's not how it works in practice

[ember nest]

p gunners are kinda terrifying