veteran-class

[tame lodge]

Just throw frags

Go mk4

[hybrid plover]

Power sword, Rashad combat axe, tac axe, knife, dueling sword and shovel are all pretty good options rn

[long dove]

Love my shovel for horde

[tropic halo]

come on, you only need falchion in your life

[hybrid plover]

I really don't like it.

[tame lodge]

Mk1
Suggested Horde combos

L1 > L2 > H3 > L2 > …

Push > L2 > …

Suggested Single Target combos

H1 > H2 > L3 > H1 > …

Pushfollow attack > H1 > …

Pushfollow attack > L3 > …

Push > H2 > …

[tropic halo]

I was skeptical of it first but got to play it more and honestly it is a solid melee

[hybrid plover]

They tried a little too hard to balance the mobility with its overall strength

[tame lodge]

Mk2b
Suggested Horde combos

H1 > L2 > H1 > …

H1 > L2 > L3 > L4 > H1 > …

Pushfollow attack > H1 > …

Pushfollow attack > L3 > …

Suggested Single Target combos

L1 > H2 > L1 > …

Push > H2 > …

Push > L from push > L1 > …

[hybrid plover]

Like it's usable.

But the blessing pool is doing it no favors

And it just feels really lacking against any bigger targets

[tropic halo]

I go with unyielding and carapace/flak for falchion

No matter what

Push attack, heavy does quick work

[hybrid plover]

Heck shovel, which by the numbers could be considered mid is actually in a pretty good spot now because it at least has some good blessings to work with along with vet just having more damage to work with

[cunning haven]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff6ec8b-cfe0-444a-b6aa-a468422e07e9/recon-lasgunner

i love my build ❤️
thank the Fat Shark

[tropic halo]

Trench Fighter Drill does go nice for falchion too

[calm shard]

blessing "pool" and yet it only has 2 blessings

strange decision by fatshark

[hearty turtle]

Well looks like I gotta wait to rebuild the vet while everyone figures out what's good and such

[long dove]

that's a lot of Stam

[tropic halo]

No out for blood is funny to see

[tropic halo]

just saw that

Bro is on workout duty

[long dove]

idk if I like Skirmisher

[calm shard]

I like skirmisher it gives me free damage

and means I don't have to take all the skills above Bring It Down that I don't want

[cunning haven]

i wanted it but needed to get to longshot

[long dove]

I know but I don't like having to move or slide constantly

[cunning haven]

wish i could take it instead of confirmed kill

[cunning haven]

that is beautiful

[long dove]

Is Vraks still the way to go?

cause the range accuracy is so all over fo rme

[bleak tendon]

Plague ogryn got its teeth turned into chessboards goodness

[cunning haven]

"why wont it die"
-psyker

[calm shard]

nearly 2000 damage per bullet with the vraks fire rate

[long dove]

damn

I need to buy a damn starlink for better work speeds

[dusk osprey]

what in the

[long dove]

swear to god

[buoyant pewter]

Autogun lets goooo

[buoyant pewter]

It's worth, especially if in rural/country areas

[hollow ibex]

Exec stance helps a lot

And stationary crouching

Aka turret mode

[long dove]

My speed used to be okay but damn lately it's been ass

[mighty python]

What's the best blessing for the infantry autogun? Currently using dumdum

[long dove]

so Black Mage from Final Fantasy XIV lol

[hollow ibex]

Dumdum deathspitter

[mighty python]

Thx

[dusk osprey]

what's this build ? i'd love to try it out. been having a hard time with ES penances haha

[calm shard]

you'll like my build a lot less than whatever exe build you already have

probably anyways

I play like a freak at the best of times

[long dove]

I like the reload blessing personally

[dusk osprey]

this is typically my way of doing things but understandable

[hollow ibex]

IAG reload is already super fast tho

[long dove]

True but even faster can help me keep exec stance up longer

[calm shard]

build that I was running for that particular clip was this

[long dove]

at one point I kept Exec up for a few minutes before it dropped

[calm shard]

ordinarily I wouldn't take MMF rending or the backstab thing but I was hunting for monstrosities at the moment and wanted to see how it worked out

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/obadachi-black-mage-ff14-black-mage-ff14-ffxiv-gif-8430029910135639287

[hollow ibex]

The reload is so fast, you got plenty of time to keep up ES after a reload

It’s not a bolter situation

[buoyant pewter]

Had a friend who had a Megumin VP for some of their spells

It was quite goofy

[buoyant pewter]

Might give this a shot as I been experimenting more with Exe

[long dove]

That and the SMN LB3 are just amazing. SMN is terrifying since you're just replaying the calamity again

[buoyant pewter]

I don't think I've ever seen the Summoners Lb3 tbh

XD

[hollow ibex]

Are you using Taxe or something like that

[calm shard]

it was chainsword

[hollow ibex]

Also deadshot on Vraks 😭

[long dove]

Mind if I DM you then? I can show you a pic and describe it

[long dove]

that's interesting

[calm shard]

I've got 2 stamina curios and can click heads good

I survive

also left tree now gets .5 second stamina regen privilege

[dusk osprey]

thanks a ton !!! what were you running for the gun out of curiosity ???

[calm shard]

nothing particularly unusual for vraks

[dusk osprey]

tytyyy !!!

i don't have a lot of experience with most guns tbh. i'm still learning to shed off the quickdraw revolver crutch haha

[buoyant pewter]

Haha, no worries about it, right now at work anyway

[dusk osprey]

hence why i've been having an even harder time with exe lmao

[long dove]

I can send it anyway and you can view at your leisure. It's basilly just you cosplaying Bahamut in the opening ARR cinematic

[buoyant pewter]

Okay sure! Will add you as DM's are closed then

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/laZ8cKtL0CX9XN9HV?invite=cr-MSxlc2MsMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=11

Gimmick Made

[spark helm]

Meh, crutch revolver a myth, just a solid option. Exestance has a lot of sauce especially now ATM. Vigilant autoguns can go nuts with it for builds that promote checking and dropping important ranged units and squads of shooters.

If you're have a hard time with aiming precisely especially under pressure you're in luck because blessings like ghost can be helpful. The new suppression immunity is also a nice quality of life change that one can abuse the more familiar they are with scenarios.

You could go the more effective bicycle route of taking a plasma gun with exestance and mmf or ft and do whatever and be fine. Doing the same with revolver is entirely possible.

Infantry, recon, and helbore lasguns have their own places that you can figure out with recon lasguns being the easiest of those three to get used to building for and using at higher levels if that's what you're doing. Up to you how you want to go about it.

[dusk osprey]

honestly i've never really had a lot of trouble aiming precicely under pressure i've just never, on any other game even really, gotten the hang of full auto recoil control on ranged weapons. i just generally lean towards those semi auto / precision weapons because i can pretty reliably flick a crit from previous experience especially with darktides headshot magnetism mechanics

its moreso a disagreement between the player and the whole archetype of weapon across any games and its my skill issue to bear

[hollow ibex]

This would be good for the BON event we had a while back lol

[faint beacon]

Funny as fuck but too bad thats gone

LMAO

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it was unironically a fun event

I love killing BONs

Fuck em

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hollow ibex]

Honestly ever since I just started letting my teammates be bait

BONs have been much more enjoyable to fight

[orchid hemlock]

Me playing shieldgryn: 🍿

[hollow ibex]

Whenever BONs show up all my teammates just start plinking at it, BONs gets angry

I flank around

BON gets deleted

[sonic pecan]

Balance is irrelevant. Arbites proved this.

[hollow ibex]

Be the anvil so I can be the hammer

[mortal aspen]

man

even with 1s kraks I don't think I can keep up with how fast crushers die to psykers and zealots

in auric at least

[solar valve]

everyone dumping heat management on the falchion?

[mortal aspen]

trauma psyker blows up a whole pack in seconds

[orchid hemlock]

The "everyone" in my dreams:

[solar valve]

its a question lol

[hollow ibex]

Dump mob, you need as much uptime as possible on the charge

[hollow ibex]

That doesn’t sound right 🤔

Zealots I get

[midnight wyvern]

wonder what the build is

[hollow ibex]

But staves aren’t great against crushers

[solar valve]

VB isn't gonna blow up groaners faster than good melee

[mortal aspen]

well I don't know how they do it, but a whole pack of crushers just explodes at the same time

[deep bone]

What blessings for chain sword?

[mortal aspen]

trauma has brittle and does quite a bit to carapace

idk what the new psyker tree does for them

might be cranking that to 11

[tame lodge]

Uh no

Compared to Relic Blade

Falchion powered up stays for longer

But needs to cool down for longer as well

So it's good to have high heat management

[hollow ibex]

I thought it’s supposed to be the other way around

[last marten]

whats the ✨ meta ✨ build rn

[tame lodge]

That's big fish for you

[hollow ibex]

I thought they specifically said falchion overheats and cools down faster

[tame lodge]

Falchion builds 2.9% heat per swing and per second

RB builds 3.6%

[obtuse raft]

Nope they did say it builds slower
"Compared to the Relic Blade, the power source is more reliable, leading to a longer activated total time (but at the cost of a longer cool down period)."

[tame lodge]

Hmmm

Kulis guide saying that RB builds 3.4%

RB stealth buff

[hollow ibex]

Oh ok reading is hard

I read what I wanted it to be lol

[tame lodge]

[viscid salmon]

yea this truly is a team the chaos should fear

[balmy flume]

Fear the donut

[dusk osprey]

havent even thought of an infiltrator build yet for vet bc idrk where to start but now that the rework has simmered has anyone redone theirs and enjoyed it :o

i wanna start chasing cosmetics one of these days now

[hollow ibex]

Could try this

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/infil-fragger

First game yesterday in auric did 996k damage

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1420795865378852894/image.png?ex=68d6b2c3&is=68d56143&hm=c30233bc1ed6d722feab251830a452c70f105aa0a74b6b7c73078efdef47aca8&

Oh 998k

So close to 1m

[dusk osprey]

holy cow lol

tysm !!!

lookin forward to trying it !

im using that vraks build i also asked for earlier in the meat grinder rn lol

excited to try some new stuff with vet

[tropic notch]

I’ll link

[dusk osprey]

definitely felt kinda trapped into my shout build

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

[hollow ibex]

Yeah i never play shout

Anything but shout

[dusk osprey]

i mean

i like it lol

i just felt like it was difficult to branch out prior to this ig

bc i felt like the role fit my niche p well

[hollow ibex]

I just get bored by shout

Also infil and skirmishes have really funny synergies with frags

Casual 55 percent bonus damage

[dusk osprey]

yeah i definitely get bored by it after a few games lol

it's a boring yet weirdly exhausting way to play a support role ig

zealot can be more brain-off lol

[mortal aspen]

bro

smokes are so busted vs plasma goons

they just don't know what to do xdd

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's smokes

Plasma probably behave like shotgunners

[hybrid plover]

Smoke stocks aren't even in the same dimension anymore

[hoary marsh]

Anyone else notice there seems to be a delay sometimes when you swing with the Power Falchion? Like it has a little pause in the animation?

Or is it my connection? lol

[agile mango]

flak and unyielding or flak and carapace on plasma?

[willow prairie]

flak maniac or unarmored

[agile mango]

why not unyielding/carapace?

[hoary marsh]

I prefer Flak Maniac.

[willow prairie]

because it suck at carapace less youre running mff exe stance

also flak maniac have better bp on elite/specialist

its just more ammo efficient

[sharp epoch]

infil with the tac awareness nerf hurts tbh

[hoary marsh]

Maniac is more encountered, and Flak is good for body shots on Maulers as well.

Mauler Helmet is Carapace, body is Flak.

Reverse for Armoured Rager.

But Maniac Bonus would apply to them as well.

[sharp epoch]

to armored ragers?

[hoary marsh]

Yes Ragers are considered Maniac.

[sharp epoch]

nono flak ragers are flak and carapace

they dont have maniac type

[hoary marsh]

Pretty sure they count as Maniac as well.

[meager echo]

shoulder carapace, everything else is flak on scab rager

[agile mango]

plasma already one taps headshots all specialists tho

[sharp epoch]

you can test it by changing the 25% maniac perk and see if the damage is the same

but theyre just flak and cara

[hoary marsh]

If not you still get the bonus of Flak Damage on them.

[meager echo]

I believe you can check in psykhanium by hitting them on bodypart.

[hoary marsh]

Ill test when I get a chance.

[sharp epoch]

me when it doesnt one shot dreg bombers on h40

[hoary marsh]

Nevermind.

Apparently unyielding does more damage to Armored Ragers though. I just swapped perk from unyielding to Maniac and lost like 80 damage.

Or not. Not sure why when I first did this my damage was higher.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah though you can do some really funny things with the damage buff baked in

[sharp epoch]

probably something else like your passives/talents changing that they dont have unyielding armor at all

[meager echo]

The skulls on them are carapace, everything else are flak

[sharp epoch]

I think if you're looking for damage exe stancr just gives straight 25% ranged damage idk if that affects frags

and the uptime is a lot better

[sharp epoch]

head is flak, chest is carapace

oh skull as in their armor

[hoary marsh]

Yeah, Opossite of the Mauler. Mauler aim for body, rager aim for head. Thats how I remember. lol

[meager echo]

sometimes you bodyshot mauler with plasma

because it cleave through

hs don't cleave

[grim cliff]

all of my preset talent trees

[hoary marsh]

I dont really use the Plasma so most of the time its body shots for me.

[grim cliff]

they're gone

reduced to atoms

[hoary marsh]

Trying to decide Flak and maniac or Flak and Unyielding for Power Falchion.

[hollow ibex]

Idts

ES is prob stronger overall

Infil is for different purposes really

[sharp epoch]

i dont think im gonna bother with the power falchion its really weak out the box doubt they'll change it anytime soon

[obtuse raft]

Feels like falchion already chops up maniac just fine.

[hollow ibex]

Vet finally gets a new weapon in how long?

And is this shit lol

Bruh

I really hope they tweak it

[hoary marsh]

Yeah maybe. I gotta upgrade mine, as its damage is only at 40/80 right now. I have Flak Unyielding right now.

[sharp epoch]

I think most vets were hoping for a ranged weapon on the ranged class 😭

[meager echo]

but talent buff make hellbore really good rightnow

[sharp epoch]

well the class kinda transitioned to a melee class now

[mortal aspen]

idk, with the buffs to existing guns + exe + mmf ranged looks juicy

[meager echo]

If you have good aim, that gun is insane

[obtuse raft]

Ok yeah if you don't even have a weapon fully upgraded don't bother worrying about perks lol

[hollow ibex]

It’s always been a hybrid class too tbf but this is just kinda sad

[mortal aspen]

which is the best IAG and how do you build it btw?

[hollow ibex]

Prob Vraks

[hoary marsh]

Falchion with Heatsink annd Cranial Grounding is pretty good.

[grim cliff]

why didnt they give us a sniper

[mortal aspen]

and perks, traits?

[meager echo]

the hellbore 5 is litterally the sniper gun man

haha

[sharp epoch]

helbore is akin to a sniper, idk if something with that much zoom would work on a hordeshooter though

[hollow ibex]

Unyielding and crit, dum dum deathspitter

Flakiac works as well

[mortal aspen]

[sharp epoch]

I think vets kinda missing a hordeclear type ranged weapon

[serene sage]

just shoot bolter rounds into horde bro

[hoary marsh]

Vet should get Flamer. Done.

Its that simple.

Vets on tabletope can have one, why not here.

[hollow ibex]

That’s DB

[sharp epoch]

class specific

[slow spade]

the Bolter mk3

[hollow ibex]

Fatshart can’t even give us one half decent melee weapon lol

[serene sage]

does ogryn have ranged horde clear?

[slow spade]

Rumbler got giga-buffed in the recent months

[hoary marsh]

If they did a Class Specific the only option would be the Hotshot Lasgun.

[sharp epoch]

rumbler

[hoary marsh]

But thats basically the recon las at that point.

[sharp epoch]

kickback kinda

[hollow ibex]

Rumbler based on how pubbies run it 😭

[sharp epoch]

twink stubber and the shotgund work decently vs mixed horde too

[dapper pier]

Tech n mek
Did not know i needed this

[meager echo]

If vet get the exterminator shotgun of arbites that would be awesome haha

[serene sage]

in fairness, I guess shredder nade is kinda ranged horde clear with infinite ammo

or if you want to count the wide shotty

[sharp epoch]

that would make db builds so strong lol if they just replaced it with the exterminator

[serene sage]

arbites feels like a human sized ogryn, which I love

also arbites chat feels like it's dead most of the times

I guess not a lot of people shelled money out for the class

[hoary marsh]

Barely any playing it anymore. I main Arbites though. I just am on Vet to finish out Penances.

And Weapon Masteries.

[meager echo]

I love everything about new patch, new tree and stuff, new enemy is too strong but it's ok, fat shark can adjust them later. At least I think it's going to the right direction.

[sharp epoch]

I don't like the tac awareness nerf idk if the new tree can make up for it

also roght now ammo is bugged so guns with ammo stat have 25% less

[meager echo]

Yeah I notice a big different in gold toughness uptime between before and after patch.

It's harder now.

[tame lodge]

Rumbler
Grenadier Gauntlet
Kickback

[serene sage]

how do they manage it lmao
I remember there was a talent back then where taking it reduces your toughness stregnth instead of increasing it

[ancient path]

boy do i love the combat shotties

[sharp epoch]

also compared to other cdr talents its just the worst out of all the classes, it has the specificity of only procs on specials and only you can do it

[ancient path]

agile engagement and skirmisher combat shotty

mmmm

though tbh i may try out shredder pistol with this build. i heard it was a lot better now?

[sharp epoch]

I think it's just like not working if it has ammo stat, it's just set to the minimum or base

[sharp epoch]

its okay but ammo hungry and only effective at close range

[ancient path]

ah dang

[meager echo]

I think number wise they can adjust later. At least they try something. Maybe I'm coping too much

[hollow ibex]

It was active when you were out

[serene sage]

😭

[hollow ibex]

It’s basically a mini Vraks

It shreds bosses and maniacs

[ancient path]

thats how i saw it but made me question why run shredder pistol instead of vraks

[hollow ibex]

Better as a sidearm

[ancient path]

besides fun

[sharp epoch]

Yeah they're both overtuned, at least they toned down ogryn a bit

[ancient path]

oh i see

whats the blessing combo for shredder pistol rn?

[hollow ibex]

Very fast reaction speeds while still having also very high dps

[hollow ibex]

Pinning and blaze

Or pinning and that toughness restore talent

[ancient path]

tyvm

[fast shale]

Bolter build, should sacrifice the stamina delay to get desperado?

[slow spade]

I would

It's not like you need that much stamina

[fossil creek]

hellbore lasgun is fun lol

krieg build time

[fast shale]

I have also seem people not use the middle keystone soo idk

I used to go middle keystone for it but given the new cqc nodes

I guess it worth it, no?

[slow spade]

yeah I find Middle and Left keystone are more consistent

[orchid hemlock]

I'm surprised nobody is abusing Vraks right now

[slow spade]

you can get middle and still get right nodes though

[midnight wyvern]

what would you run to abuse it?

[slow spade]

I thought about getting Exploit Weakness but I'd have to give up grenade nodes :c

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[narrow widget]

the vraks moment is over
bolter forever

[hollow ibex]

Both really benefited from the MMF changes

[mortal aspen]

mmf is kinda braindead now

super easy to stay at 10\15 stacks

[midnight wyvern]

meh

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I checked and my average is 10 stacks during combat

When I take 15 stacks

[onyx sage]

does anyone run competitive urge on high havoc? is it worth it or nah

[hollow ibex]

Not a priority take but not bad either

Kinda a win more talent

[onyx sage]

thats what im also thinking, but its more like a horde-clear pick isnt it

[slow spade]

it's competing with +25 toughness and +10% rending

it's got a rough life

[onyx sage]

yeahhh

[agile mango]

anyone have a helbore using build now?

[sour elbow]

Something with the executioners stance

Due to the bayonet being a special attack on a gun it counts

So you can bayonet something and refresh the duration.

[livid hill]

i feel like im in the minority here in saying I really like the power falchion. yeah it wouldve been better to get a ranged weapon but it is a thousand times more fun than the power sword (i don't care how "good" it is, its awful to use)

plus I mean i feel like it bodes well for fatshark in the future for adding new weapons

[hollow ibex]

I really want to like the power falchion

But it’s just kinda sad

Unless you juice the fuck out of your melee damage

[slow spade]

honestly if they upped the damage or gave it more horizontal attacks, it'd have a niche

but currently it's like "why not a rashad"

[hollow ibex]

I like the power weapons crackling sfx

https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-neuron-gif-1455356329209493514

[surreal rune]

now that auras and blitzes have been decoupled

might they be

easily switched

instead of having to redo the whole tree

[hollow ibex]

I think it’s a good build

[orchid hemlock]

It needs to be perfect

NOT GOOD ENOUGH

[mortal aspen]

firing IAG into a conga line of shotgunners and whatnot feels really good

[livid hill]

isnt it a teensy bit faster?

[tame lodge]

Well

Good news

Mk1 H1 powered can kill 2 groaners

300-300-156-98-(50)-(50)

[tepid otter]

How does the 15% close dmg work on a range weapon, do they have to be like a certain distance from you to get the dmg buff

[turbid ibex]

Within 12.5 meters

[tame lodge]

15% within 12.5 meters

Then it should drop off until 0% at 30 meters

[mortal aspen]

is Field Improv bugged rn btw?

[tame lodge]

[mortal aspen]

didn't heal corruption for me

[tame lodge]

close distance
30 meters

[tepid otter]

Huh, what about Strength, how does that work on ranged

[tame lodge]

It's +Dmg +clv +stagger

[turbid ibex]

Bonus damage, cleave and stagger

Multiplicative with regular damage bonuses

[mortal aspen]

oh it's up to the next wound only, lame

i'm usually in favor of rp, but not in this game 💀

[tepid otter]

If there was more cosmetic choices, I would have for sure made mine look like a Maccabian

[umbral rock]

@hollow ibex https://streamable.com/uu49h5
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff73d99-5829-4990-a08a-4419f00edd29/3-shot-shovel
3 shot shovel proof with the exact build I had at the time of recording this

[livid hill]

"this isn't your average everyday autism, this is... advanced autism"

[hybrid plover]

I play knife double barrel on loose cannon cuz it's a pretty loose cannony setup

[livid hill]

yaaay

[hybrid plover]

Like the kinda setup that a scoundrel with a penchant for enjoying herself would use

And double barrel is just pure, adrenaline filled fun. Always was but it's stupidly powerful now.

[midnight wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172931856916807791/1386046428350255206/thebiter.gif

[hollow ibex]

Yah I mean not a huge surprise if you stack a bunch of buffs ahead of time ig

[tepid otter]

looks like your arm is bending the wrong way

[umbral rock]

you asked for proof, I gave you proof. its also not an unrealistic amount of buffs to get in practice

[tame lodge]

It's an uppercut, don't worry about it

[umbral rock]

I could have put on infiltrate and stacked maximum possible damage, I didn't even ult in that clip

[hollow ibex]

I mean the original discussion was that shovel is mid, I don’t see this indicating otherwise

It’s not bad, but could use some help

The stamina buffs to vet make indirectly buffed it at least

[umbral rock]

okay and power sword needs to activate it's weapon special in order to do its crazy damage, yet I doubt you would complain if I had a clip showing off power sword damage while using the weapon special. I showed the damage without the buffs too, I'm not trying to be deceptive

I'm not comin out here saying shovel is SSS+ tier better than dueling sword ever was

all I was ever saying is that it's severely under appreciated, same thing for shock maul

[tepid otter]

I actually stuck with the shovel for the longest time when I started playing

[umbral rock]

its a good weapon, deserves more respect

and if shovel is apparently in such desperate need of buffs then I'd say so is like 60% of the rest of the weapons in the game

[tepid otter]

Prolly the first weap I managed to maxed out first, before deciding to try the other ones

[tame lodge]

Oh shmaul is good

100%

Shovel is just

🛌

[tepid otter]

Well since the PFalcion came out, I've been messing around with that

[fossil creek]

I like the shovel

Its cool

Feels nice too

[tepid otter]

I got uhh, Cranial and Wrath on it, dunno if thats aight

[fossil creek]

Power Falchion is probably my fav rn tho

Alongside chainsword

Want to give the duelling sword a try too later

[umbral rock]

power falchion is the best feeling weapon for vet imo. just as a weapon to pick up and use without much thinking

[tepid otter]

Really fun

[hollow ibex]

I meeeean psword is literally useless without the special. Not really the comparison you want to make

Not saying you’re disingenuous

[fossil creek]

lol special ability activate, light attack - light attack - light attack - light attack - light attack - light attack

[hollow ibex]

Just use shovel needs buffs

[fossil creek]

horde gone

[umbral rock]

ye, its p nice

[fossil creek]

looks cool too

[tepid otter]

Which Variant of the falcion do yall use

[fossil creek]

arguably the most important thing is the rule of cool

[orchid hemlock]

Shovel is like ok

But it has the same problem that all of the other impact based weapons have

[fossil creek]

Mk I

[tepid otter]

I like having Trench Fighter just for the attack speed on most my Vet builds

[fading yarrow]

Mark 1, simple horde clear, simple single target

[hollow ibex]

Mk 1 is the clear winner prob

[umbral rock]

fair enough, I'm just saying when you ask for proof, and I hand you irrefutable proof without skewing numbers in an unrealistic / unattainable way for a real game and your response is "well yeah duh if you get buffs then it can do that" then... idk what am I supposed to tell you

at that point it sounds like you just never needed proof, you just want to argue that a weapon is bad for the sake of it being slightly less optimal than the top of the top tier

anyway, I wont harp on about it, my point is made

[hybrid plover]

Shovel good

[umbral rock]

apologies if that came off aggressive lmao

[tepid otter]

the bonkening

[hollow ibex]

Wat

I mean it’s good to know shovel can do that under ideal conditions

[hybrid plover]

It's really easy to get it to do that tbh

[hollow ibex]

But it’s not exactly reflective of actual combat situations

[hollow ibex]

Are you banking up FT stacks

6 stacks?

Really?

[hybrid plover]

Do you know how easy it is to do that now?

[hollow ibex]

7.5s is a long ass time

And the entire point of FT is that you’re constantly pinging and killing shit

[hybrid plover]

Plus, even disregarding that whole synergy with focus target. I've used shovel on right side build

[hollow ibex]

Not banking up all your stacks for a random crusher

[willow prairie]

I find it extremely easy to bank ft stack

[hybrid plover]

It is genuinely pretty damn good.

[willow prairie]

Because i ended up forget that i have focus target

[hybrid plover]

It may not be like, then literal best weapon because not everything is going to be a power sword

[clear garnet]

So for people who have used the power falchion, hows the sword handle when unpowered? Does it hit like a wet pool noodle (like the power sword unpowered) or is it comparable to the devils claw/heavy sword?

[hollow ibex]

If you’re using it as intended you should be constantly on 1-2 stacks

[hybrid plover]

But the sole fact that it has the blessings it does, on top of having some genuinely good horde management gives it some synergy with vet's new tree that can actually make it really strong in circumstances that aren't even that hard to accomplish

[hollow ibex]

Unless you’re in low difficulty where there just isn’t much to tag ofc

[hybrid plover]

I think Cole literally posted himself getting like

1.8mil damage on a shovel double barrel build here just the other day lol

[willow prairie]

right side tree is just very strong

[fossil creek]

I just started using this krieg build which uses the left alot i think

i like it so far

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I mean right side is juiced as fuck lol

[fossil creek]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e08cee7-3443-4279-a634-e3450b786a57/an-actual-good-kriegsman-build

this is the one im usin rn

[hollow ibex]

Onslaught helbore

Not that I needed to click into the build to know that it’s bad lol

[hybrid plover]

And it's got uncanny. And serrated is now a choice that isn't hard to get. And a means to up bleed damage pretty significantly with both the tree and blessings

Maybe by pure numbers, it's not great. But it's one of those situations where in practice, you can build it to do some genuinely crazy shit now.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah shovel always benefited from great blessings

It’s the other issues

[fossil creek]

how so

[atomic zephyr]

im sure its been said a million times before, but what are the optimal blessings/perks for power falch?

im just updating my game now to give it a shot

[umbral rock]

I would say Energy Leakage + Cranial Grounding

[atomic zephyr]

gotcha

standard flakiac too? or flak and carapace

or maniac and carapace idk

[umbral rock]

I really don't think it matters too much, I use Carapace Unyielding personally

[atomic zephyr]

gotcha thanks

[hollow ibex]

Popular games lantern builds are all bad. Common knowledge. Could be worse though

I wonder how the squad leader build is doing now

[fossil creek]

Didnt know that

[obtuse raft]

It's pretty consistent with basically any publicly voted build site

[fossil creek]

I tried it but replaced plasma with boltgun and chainsword with falchion

i dont like plasma weapons

bullets r cooler

[obtuse raft]

The highly upvoted builds on the DRG build editor are also categorically awful

[hollow ibex]

I guess it’s common knowledge here, since all the sweats and tryhards are here

[fossil creek]

fair enough

[hollow ibex]

All is right with the world then

[willow prairie]

just watch lazymaybe video

or drg meta dc

[fossil creek]

i dont even know what half the shit means man

[willow prairie]

most of the build sharing website in like every game fucking suck anyway

[jolly quail]

hello guys

may i have a good recon lasgun build

please

[fossil creek]

im gonna need some help making a build later, hard to make a banger build without knowing all these darktide terms in the skill tree

lol

[heavy rover]

Personally I've been enjoying energy leakage and wrath

[heavy rover]

Hits pretty well unpowered

[atomic zephyr]

loaded into regular damnation for the first time in months, everyone immediately dies

its good to be back

[tepid otter]

Did you join mid game

[void dragon]

issue is that its an easy to access builder and the actual good builds are yet to blossom, and even then they are hard to find!

[near abyss]

How does vet feel after changes? Considering to redownload the game

[hybrid plover]

Vet good

[fading yarrow]

Better than ever and he's not even finished yet

Plus a great new sword and good new weapon marks

[kind bison]

what are the blessings we like on the falchion?

[hybrid plover]

Man the falchion is divisive

[void dragon]

falchion is weaker than alternatives, but it does the job which for many is enough

not for some others tho

[kind bison]

do we have a general idea of the blessings we want for it though

[void dragon]

I heard Wrath + cranial grounding, like the relic blade iirc

[jolly quail]

do i need rending on recon lasgun

[void dragon]

define "need"

[jolly quail]

idk the rending strikes

node

is it useful on recon lasgun?

[near abyss]

Not finished yet? Wdym?

More changes on the way?

[hybrid plover]

This is one case where onslaught is probably better tbh

[jolly quail]

im actually running onslaught

thing is i want a keystone

[hybrid plover]

Then rending strikes is redundant.

[near abyss]

Is exe stance usable now?

[jolly quail]

was considering dropping both bring it down and rending

[heavy bridge]

the falchion animations make my brain happy

[jolly quail]

for mmf and one of its upgrades?

[hybrid plover]

Since brittleness and rending won't really stack

[orchid hemlock]

Why do you need rending strikes if you have onslaught?

[jolly quail]

brother

[tame lodge]

It was a 10 months wait for power midion

[jolly quail]

im asking

i dont have that type of knowledge about the game

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-smoke-gif-25003355

[orchid hemlock]

I am THE recon addict 😈

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[jolly quail]

thanks

hmm but what if i want marksman focus

i just finished adept assassin kinda done with ws right now

[ember junco]

how we feeling about the falchion? and what blessings do we run on it?

[orchid hemlock]

Recon has bad Finesse

MF is actually worse than FT on recon

[jolly quail]

okay

[tame lodge]

We're feeling bad about it

And by we

[orchid hemlock]

Recon doesn't need any of the keystones

I just take WS because it makes your melee a monster

[tame lodge]

I mean the % that knows that falchion is bad

[jolly quail]

alright ill try how you made it then

[tame lodge]

The other % thinks falchion is good

[jolly quail]

as long as u know ur shit

[tame lodge]

So choose your side I guess

Anyways blessings

[jolly quail]

can i bug u for other builds or something

[tame lodge]

Cranial Leakage

Cranial Heatsink

Cranial Wrath

[orchid hemlock]

Sure but I'll give you the shittiest ones 😈

[hybrid plover]

People don't know they don't stack

[jolly quail]

most helpful discorder

[hybrid plover]

It's not well explained.

[fading yarrow]

Correct

[jolly quail]

yeah so much is badly explained

its a nightmare trying to navigate buildmaking

[orchid hemlock]

They do stack in terms of armor pen

They are just applied differently

The issue is that 50% armor pen doesn't provide anything 💀

You already pen thru carapace by around 30

[jolly quail]

ok i see

yea so its overkill

[orchid hemlock]

Onslaught is also mostly a damage buff to the recon because of how quickly it stacks and ramps up the damage

[ember junco]

i'm not much of a havoc player. i rarely make it into the 30s during a season. i like to hang around in aurics. i think it works well as a horde clearer, and i like to run it with the zarona stub

hard to switch off the shock maul tho. it's fun bonking things

[junior grail]

Does armour pen help weapons like Bolter and Plasma?

[jolly quail]

thats why i was running it in the first place but i was wondering if i needed more flat armor pen

[sharp epoch]

arbites turns shock maul from ok to god tier

[jolly quail]

but "continuous hits" on one of the fastests firing guns sounded good yea

[tame lodge]

Not really

Bot high Adms

[ember junco]

a bit burnt out on arby. being an unkillable monster is fun and all, but it kinda gets boring after a while

[sharp epoch]

yeah its so busted it does that

[jolly quail]

realized you could parry crushers strike with the dueling sword

[orchid hemlock]

If you didn't go onslaught then yes you would take rending strikes

But 40% versus 10% when you have soo many other options for damage on the tree is an easy choice

[jolly quail]

yea i just went with ur build

it looks good

but im bored with WS

[orchid hemlock]

Then try this if you are bored https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[jolly quail]

havent played these weapons much yet

theyre not maxed

and i have like 200 diamantine

[orchid hemlock]

Vraks is honestly a monster with MF

[jolly quail]

would take some time to bring them up

[sonic sedge]

yo what up my karshikan shlimes

i need help building a infantry, lasgun foucased skill tree build

[orchid hemlock]

If you stack it and use ES

I've seen people one clip Beasts of Nurgle

[sonic sedge]

Also if one for the comander and plasma gunner if possible

[jolly quail]

but ill have a look at the builds on ur profile lol

i do want an ES build yea

[jolly quail]

any substitutes weapons i could run with it while upgrading vraks

dont really like combat axe

but i did like vraks

[orchid hemlock]

Combat axe is probably top 3 melees right now 😞

Other ones are DS, Tac, PS, Knife

[jolly quail]

sure

i got ds ps and knife

[jolly quail]

hehh i might give it another try

[jolly quail]

and what would u sub for ranged?

until i max out vraks that is

just need to farm some diamantine

[orchid hemlock]

Idk I've only used this with Vraks

Ig revolver

But the revolver really wants WS

I've heard Bolt gun is good with finesse but you want other nodes in the tree to buff the bleed damage

Helbore

Or Las pistol

[jolly quail]

sure! ill give it a go with helbore or boltgun

[orchid hemlock]

But you will need to adjust the build to give ammo back on crits

[jolly quail]

regular boltgun then ?

[orchid hemlock]

No don't use this build for Bolt, I was just 💬 Ng about it

[jolly quail]

oh alright

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent I think has a bolt build

[jolly quail]

helbore shouldnt need any adjusments no ? its got good ammo eco

[compact plume]

All I want to do is run the chainsword because it’s been neglected for so long and I love it

[jolly quail]

ES MMF helbore sounds fun as hell actually

also no superiority complex?

sorry for nagging

[orchid hemlock]

Sure but I would do this for HB

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cee53c5-6790-478f-88b0-9e58dcb16bbb/infinite-ammo-glitch?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[jolly quail]

ah lol

ok perfect then

will keep the vraks build on the side until i max it cuz im intrigued

thx so much for the help

so out of curiosity why no superiority complex? it seems like basically a must have

on the vraks build

or this one even

[stable socket]

helbore is strong... i did havoc with a specialized helbore exe stance vet last night and he basically single handedly killed every special and gun-wielding enemy on the map without picking up ammo

[orchid hemlock]

You can take it, but having to sacrifice 2 points for it when I like agile engagement soo much on Vraks is difficult

[heavy rover]

Casual helbore w

[jolly quail]

hmm i see

[orchid hemlock]

Vraks b4 the patch really liked agile engagement and WS because of how the play style of it with it's fast swap and high burst

But you can't take WS and MF at the same time

[jolly quail]

yea

u dont run it on helbore either?

doesnt affect breakpoints of something?

[mortal aspen]

anyone got footage of high havoc?

[hollow ibex]

plasma gunner?

[mortal aspen]

incredible 👏

[orchid hemlock]

Helbore is very backline heavy

It plays more like recon than Vraks

[tame lodge]

Doing what

[narrow frost]

need anymore?

[orchid hemlock]

Also it's very important on Helbore to get those breakpoints, so sacrificing melee damage is a requirement

[hollow ibex]

outskilled, should've seen their incredibly identifiable eyes from 30 meters away, realized it was a plasma gunner, and dodged the shot without assistance from audio cues (they weren't working)

[mortal aspen]

I'm gonna push Havoc tomorrow, I'm guessing the meta is the same ds\plasma because fatshark are too scared to nerf anything?

[jolly quail]

doesnt superiority complex also apply on ranged though ?

[hollow ibex]

i'm starting to think ainz has an agenda

posting all these plasma gunner related clips

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah why do u think I take it on Helbore

[narrow frost]

7 mission aborts and like 6 missions dead to plasma

thats all havoc is now

for me atleast

[jolly quail]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cee53c5-6790-478f-88b0-9e58dcb16bbb/infinite-ammo-glitch?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tame lodge]

Plasma gunner is just sceptic spreader

[jolly quail]

u dont run it

[hollow ibex]

but you'll have some people tell you plasma gunner is perfectly fine as-is

[jolly quail]

on the build at least lol

[hollow ibex]

and that dying to it is skill issues

[scenic vapor]

Same bestie. Was there

[jolly quail]

thats why i was surprised

[orchid hemlock]

Oh I thought you meant bring it down

[hollow ibex]

ainz was simply outskilled

[stable socket]

plasma gunner is sorta like havoc 1.0 shooters except shout/chorus doesn't really work

[jolly quail]

oh no!

[stable socket]

so it's gotta be bubble/smoke

[amber cliff]

anyone else so hellbore pilled right now

[jolly quail]

like for the vraks i got it but was talking about how its not on ur helbore build either

[stable socket]

honestly in lower difficulty i can see it being ok because nothing else is that dangerous and you can kill the plasma gunner decently fast and sorta still scrape your toughness back together by killing some random stuff, but with havoc buffs to gunner damage/fire rate/health, and having less toughness + less toughness regen it gets pretty dangerous

[amber cliff]

i enjoy hellbore because it seems to do well against plasma gunners

[orchid hemlock]

SC is sorta not required anymore due to the pathing of the old tree

It's just nice to have now

Helbore doesn't struggle into elites, it mostly struggles onto high health targets which is why I take the rending and bring it down

[jolly quail]

hmm i see

[orchid hemlock]

On Vraks if you want it you can take it, I just prefer marksman for the boss damage bursts

[jolly quail]

its true that maulers and such go down easily

got it thanks so much

[mortal aspen]

wait

they gave duelling sword stagger?

what

they buffed it?

[jolly quail]

its a bug apparently?

[mortal aspen]

it is?

i hope so, bc uhh

[turbid ibex]

Stagger calculation imploded apparently

[amber cliff]

hellbore chads rise up

[hollow ibex]

bug seems like

[amber cliff]

if only it could one shot crushers

smh

[mortal aspen]

alright, so maybe fixed in a month, fair enough

[hollow ibex]

technically can lol

[hollow ibex]

you know the drill

[mortal aspen]

still, watching voldemort's video

[amber cliff]

if plasma didnt exist, Hellbore would be reinging supreme i tell you..its a conspiracy

[atomic zephyr]

is there any reason not to favor the new BP over the old? it seems like it hits most of the same breakpoints with a huge CC radius

[mortal aspen]

duelling sword is just the same or stronger now, unless there's something I'm missing

[orchid hemlock]

If you want more elite damage then you can do this

[mortal aspen]

obviously so is everything else, but like

bruh

[jolly quail]

got u

but i think ure right its good to have bring it down on helbore

[orchid hemlock]

In normal matches probably not 💀

In havoc I need it for reapers

[amber cliff]

how are plasma gunners in havok

[jolly quail]

even for auric?

got through my first aurics today...

[orchid hemlock]

Plasma gunners maybe will get higher priority and I will switch to SC again

[amber cliff]

auric is good fun!

[jolly quail]

yea i had fun honestly

[orchid hemlock]

Depends on the modifiers

I'm just talking about Ogryn density

[jolly quail]

hmm yea i see

[orchid hemlock]

I still need to check plasma breakpoints

[amber cliff]

What would be a good weapon into plasma gunners actually

[orchid hemlock]

Ogryn shield 😈

With taunt

so they put away the plasma

[jolly quail]

honestly the new bolter works well against them ive found

the stagger helps a ton

and its like two shots to the head

[orchid hemlock]

I love seeing Shieldgryn back in the meta

Rotten armor?

No problem

Plasma?

No problem

200000 gunners?

No problem

[meager echo]

then 25mins run become 35mins, you do no dmg man

[orchid hemlock]

Shieldgryn does lots of damage what

Their only weakness is boss damage

[meager echo]

compare to pickaxe or mk3 no

[amber cliff]

I feel like other teamates can compensate no?

[meager echo]

mk3 put debuff let boss die really fast.

[tepid otter]

Unless theyre all Shieldgryns

[sharp epoch]

for vet just run smokes

[orchid hemlock]

Mk3 is just a monster

But for mixed wave clear I still think shield is slightly better

Pick mostly is an anti boss tool with decent wave clear

[meager echo]

obviously it's viable but not as strong tho.

[fervent mesa]

so uh

anybody made a power falchion build yet

[meager echo]

I've play with good shield ogryn before

so I know it's strong point

[sharp epoch]

is that in asia

[meager echo]

but the dmg output is not there

[orchid hemlock]

Being able to permanently stagger the front line isn't really shown in the scoreboard

But it's ability to control hordes is underated substantially

[mortal aspen]

what build are you running in h40, nate?

[fervent mesa]

how are u permanently staggering with it

[sharp epoch]

I feel like shield build is akin to the psyker lightning build

[mortal aspen]

that's an interesting choice of aura

[meager echo]

I follow bath.rawr build

[orchid hemlock]

Nah because I actually kill things 😈

[meager echo]

the ws one

[sharp epoch]

psyker lightning can kill too with scrier's it kept up with the teams damage

[meager echo]

it's hongkong sv.

[coarse wolf]

so when are vets going to understand that stealth gets your team killed

[amber cliff]

i mean...come onnn its not that bad is it?

[coarse wolf]

it quite literally dumps all aggro that you had instantly onto your team. it's really bad when it comes to snipers and trappers, either aiming at you and you go into stealth they change targets instantly while still giving you the sound queue to dodge

unless that was fixed in the last 3 patches that is still a thing

[limber wagon]

hello fellow vets

[meager echo]

I change blitz to smoke and +1 grenade to grenade tinkerer. The rest is the same

I run PS6 + plasma gun

[hollow ibex]

why do you think i main stealth

[tall torrent]

wat

[calm shard]

yeah they're a bit wild

[fading yarrow]

I misread the Event requirements, I thought it was for killing Plasma Gunners but it's for killing Plasma pistol Scab Captains

I've been all, "Huh, I must only be killing 2 or 3 gunners per match"

[calm shard]

but I don't buy them being hard to distinguish visually

tox bombers are still worse about that imo

[orchid hemlock]

hello

[mortal aspen]

what's the plasma dump spread again?

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[mortal aspen]

sry, i know it gets asked a lot

[hollow ibex]

weird i have no problems with that one

because tox bombers are tall as fuck

and bulbous

it's very obvious to me

they're much taller than scab bombers

[mortal aspen]

what about this?

[calm shard]

they look damn near identical to dreg shooters from a distance

[meager echo]

69 heat and 71 charge rate

[hollow ibex]

meanwhile shotgunners/plasma gunners are about the same heigh/build

[calm shard]

because they all wear the same lemon colored pajamas

and tox bombers talk the same shit that dreg shooters do

[mortal aspen]

yes, is it exact to 1%?

mine is 1 off xdd

[jolly quail]

nah bro its 1% off u cant run it

[meager echo]

I'm not sure

[calm shard]

could be a rounding error

you'll have to try it in psykhanium fully upgraded

[fading yarrow]

Try it out in the Meat Grinder, if you get 8 normal shots off without overheating then you're fine

[calm shard]

should have 8 shots

stats screen rounds numbers incorrectly

[mortal aspen]

it's not a rounding error, one stat is 1% higher and one is 1% lower than optimal is all

[calm shard]

right but one of those stats is not actually going to be that number in game

[hollow ibex]

could be a perfect roll

test for 8 shots

[calm shard]

stats screen always rounds down (?) and in game rounds up

or something to that effect

[fading yarrow]

Nah it could still be a rounding error. Sometimes stats round up or down when fully Empowered

[meager echo]

It could make your plasma gun fire 1 less shot before overheat.

[calm shard]

stats screen is very slightly wrong about literally every number

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-smoking-blunt-blehskibidi-gif-4336732105413285679

yeah I can fire 8 times

pog

got lucky, only spent 200 something thousand

[hollow ibex]

that's a god tier amongst god rolls

meanwhile 2.5m later best i got was 70/70

[mortal aspen]

rip

[meager echo]

mine is 80

hahaha

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/wings-wingsofredemption-thor-stormbreaker-gif-15888988948364502772

[void dragon]

what's an actual good Vraks inf autogun build?

[slim pulsar]

ok i dont understand the helbore

why cant i use it

[void dragon]

explain the shortcomings you are suffering

[slim pulsar]

i cant hit anything

the charging messes me up so much

[fading yarrow]

It's an acquired taste

[void dragon]

is the act of releasing instead of pulling to shoot? yea that is quite weir if you are not used to it

[eternal venture]

Try to think of the Helbore like a bow from Vermintide

[fading yarrow]

Try hanging in the back and letting your team take the front so you can take your time and shoot at stuff in front of them

[eternal venture]

It's probably the only true backliner gun in this game

[fading yarrow]

^

[fathom wedge]

Just ran with someone that ripped everything to shreds with the double barrel on veteran, anyone know the build? Couldn't find him on the Mourningstar

[mortal aspen]

bows don't work like that tho

you charge bows with rmb

[narrow frost]

normal damage build with weapon special keystone

[fading yarrow]

Same principle though, ain't it?

[mortal aspen]

nope

[fading yarrow]

Is it not charge and release

[mortal aspen]

no

[fading yarrow]

Or is it charge and click

Wack

[fathom wedge]

What is the normal damage build now anyway

[void dragon]

whatchamean "no" irl bows are pull and release the same side

[slim pulsar]

my issue is that the charge time messes up my headshots

for helbore

i have a perfect headshot lined up and i have to wait for the charge to complete

[fading yarrow]

You can hold the charged shot in place while you track the head, fren

[slim pulsar]

also my hand cramps up so hard because of the constantly holding left mouse while moving

[hollow ibex]

there's a mod for that

if you're on PC

otherwise it's just a matter of getting used to it

[void dragon]

why the hay im not surpised?

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean helby is pretty hard on the hands

[slim pulsar]

do you know the name

[hollow ibex]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/496

[slim pulsar]

thx

[wide hatch]

Question, does the vet have a like, grenade spam build? Thats, good?

[void dragon]

vet can focus on getting damage amps that work for grenades and perks to spam them more

[slim pulsar]

you know, my problem with helbore might be just because i'm trying to use it in mortis

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/infil-fragger

[shadow fable]

Are the new boltguns any good? They seem to be a slower version with less ammo

[hollow ibex]

meh

[slim pulsar]

they have huge splash

[hollow ibex]

no damage though

[slim pulsar]

bolter variant also shoots much slower for a more prolonged burst

it feels more like a horder clearer

[shadow fable]

That was my experience

[slow spade]

of note, the new bolter's hipfire only fires 1 shot

so you don't waste ammo double-tapping

[slim pulsar]

you'll still end up needing to shoot more rounds to kill something lol

[fading yarrow]

I'm personally a big fan of them for mixed horde clearing and Ogryn dismantling

Haven't had the chance to try them on bosses yet though

[shadow fable]

It is acually full auto but slower

for hipfire

[slow spade]

Yeah

But again, it fires 1 shot

[fading yarrow]

Sheo means on trigger tap

[slow spade]

Rather than forced 2 shots

[shadow fable]

ah

[slow spade]

Very good for that Sister of Battle rp

[fading yarrow]

I've said it before but the Mark IIIs rate of fire reminds me quite a bit of the RoF from Boltgun, the Doom-like

Feels very good in the hand

[slow spade]

Yeah it's very smooth to use

My favorite bolter

The reduced damage doesn't seem to be an issue for my build

But I wouldn't say no to a buff Fatshark

[hollow ibex]

the AOE damage is kinda sad

[slow spade]

Yeah it's like 100 damage at most

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[slow spade]

Can't even use it for hordes :/

[fading yarrow]

I still need to try to remake my old boltgun build, it was very silly and I'd love to see what I can do with it and the m3

[slow spade]

I've had good luck by helping cover allies

By mass staggering everything

[hollow ibex]

ironically

it's going to be even less effective once the bugged staggers are fixed

[slow spade]

Yeah...

Unless the stagger bug gets the audio bug treatment and they just ignore it forever

[fading yarrow]

Speaking of which, what's the extent of the stagger bug and does it apply to enemies? I was fighting a DH off of my teammate earlier and its sideways swings were throwing me way farther than I remember them being able to

[narrow frost]

a build that has most/all of these

[slow spade]

Not sure sadly I haven't done any testing on the new stagger bug

[narrow frost]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff6dd3e-fb51-4f9b-bb64-aef3e582d4ea/vet-troll-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

you can try my build

but change like 2 things

if you wanted a double barrel build

change any 2 of the 3 crossed out for the 2 circled

[fading yarrow]

I just remembered Vet has access to the triple barrel shotgun now

Exquisite

[thin stone]

What

[mortal aspen]

funny but kinda pointless

[narrow frost]

its not really that good, but its funny

[hollow ibex]

tribple barrel better on arbi

[narrow frost]

DB doesnt need more ammo, it has WS

[hollow ibex]

not worth it either way

[thin stone]

What's the best grenade to use right now if you're running shout + infantry lasgun?

[umbral harness]

Should i add reload speed to exec stance sniper vet build (i use plasgun)

[umbral harness]

I do krak all the way

[fading yarrow]

Frags are still the best

[hollow ibex]

likely kraks unless you're confident in your ability to kill groups of crushers in melee

[umbral harness]

Krak is too op to ignore

[thin stone]

Shredder frags?

[umbral harness]

Add that with the new grenade every 60s and youre op

[thin stone]

Alright

[narrow frost]

in what way?

[lapis osprey]

Yea

[fading yarrow]

In the way they delete entire rooms of enemies?

[thin stone]

Is this build good for someone looking to run Infantry Lasgun + Chainsword?

Or what would you recommend instead of chainsword

[umbral harness]

Switch focus target and use right branch

Weapons specialist

[hoary marsh]

Yeah weapon specialist is far better.

[umbral harness]

With lots of lasgun shots youll get big melee buffs

Save focus target for sniper plasgun bolter builds

But is focus target even that good?

I run exec stance sniper vet build

[hoary marsh]

Weapon specialist is really good with any weapon you can fire quickly. Quick draw revolver is pretty busted with it.

[narrow frost]

wouldn't best have to cover every field?

[hollow ibex]

if you're running ilas, run MMF

[narrow frost]

frag cant do what kraks or smoke do

so it comes down to playstyle and build

and what your blitz can cover the most

[umbral harness]

Krak also does great stun damage

[narrow frost]

since most vet players cant kill horde frags are common

[umbral harness]

Also true

[narrow frost]

there is no "best" blitz

[hoary marsh]

Krak is really good i think since it sticks to enemies. But I saw that knowing I use my melee weapon for hordes, and krak and revolver for elites and specials.

[umbral harness]

Should i get rid of focus target atp and go with other nodes??

[blazing jetty]

Krak is for builds that otherwise struggle against crushers and bulwarks

[hollow ibex]

gotta say, machine gun helbore is still pretty funny

[thin stone]

How to learn to kill hordes?

[hybrid plover]

I wasn't talking about tac awareness in that message. Just that close quarters killzone just isn't really a great node to have anymore cuz of tac awareness cutting the uptime down pretty significantly.

[narrow frost]

hmm?

[thin stone]

You said most vet players can't kill hordes, I assume that's because of skill issue?

[narrow frost]

yes

[hollow ibex]

try something like this on left side

[umbral harness]

Nuh uh

[thin stone]

How to fix that

[hybrid plover]

You're better off either having a node that just contributes to damage more consistently or something that'll help you survive

[umbral harness]

Ever heard of the power falchio

[narrow frost]

practice

[thin stone]

I got the power sword

[umbral harness]

Im not good enough to get weakspot kills that fast

Im on console and i have stickdrift

[thin stone]

Iirc the steps are to push, charge (ps), swipe thrice?

[umbral harness]

Use falchion

Its goated

[lapis osprey]

did tac awareness get nerfed?

[thin stone]

Ok

[narrow frost]

it varies, but that works

[hybrid plover]

Significantly.

[hollow ibex]

aight then in that case stick with FT

because that's your next best option

[umbral harness]

Bet

[hollow ibex]

assuming you can tag frequently

[thin stone]

How can I practice dealing with horses?

[umbral harness]

Yeah i do

[lapis osprey]

ah man didnt really notice it

[hoary marsh]

Weapon specialist getting ammo reload on switch as native was a godsend.

[narrow frost]

play more, increase diffiuclty

[turbid ibex]

Giganerfed thankfully

[narrow frost]

till you are comfortable playing high difficulty

[hybrid plover]

Like it's still a great node but it is not even close to what it user to be

[lapis osprey]

havoc 40 just throws specialists at you so lots of cd reduction

[blazing jetty]

Power sword destroys hordes, but too many vets are addicted to dueling sword and can't function without it

[hybrid plover]

And the red nodes take a hit for that too.

[turbid ibex]

It got reload speed built in

[thin stone]

Is 400 hours in the game enough?

[umbral harness]

Power sword is too annoying with the 3 slash special

[narrow frost]

hours dont deterine skill

[turbid ibex]

Actual reload on swap is still a modifier

[umbral harness]

Might as well use the falchio

[narrow frost]

*determine

[hoary marsh]

There's three melee weapons i know as vet. Shock Maul, Power Falchion and Combat Axe. Lol