veteran-class

[distant mural]

Yeah stance is really nice now

More fun then voc too

What guns do you guys ise with stance?

[steep mantle]

I use stance for the current event missions, makes the low visibility not an issue, especially talented to light up targets for everyone

[tropic halo]

They should have brought a flashlight themselves smh

[gaunt hinge]

new bolter

fun hipfire

[distant mural]

I really dont like the new bolter sadly.

[tropic halo]

Tempted to try stance with the OG bolter, so far only using hellebore

[distant mural]

Og is nice just need quick reload

[tropic halo]

There's talent nodes for that

[gaunt hinge]

new bolter hipfire is semi auto instead of burst and very accurate and not much recoil i like it

[tropic halo]

You get to reload in 2 seconds or something

[shrewd nova]

I run that exact build, and it's super strong. No damage mitigation, but that's a skill issue thing lol

[distant mural]

I prefer direct dmg and less ammo hurts me😂

[thick needle]

Anyone tried the new bolt pistol with Lethal Proximity yet

[tropic halo]

Also fun to see that Kraks are being far more used now

Been seeing very few shredders since update

[grand perch]

It helps that they are great at dealing with the rotten armour modifier

[dry cloak]

Helbores now feel much nore usable than before

[desert valve]

My Dumb-Ass with my own Plasma Gun:

[grand perch]

But no easy crusher oneshot anymore

[desert valve]

True.

That title belongs to the Plasma Gun.

Which feels like it's had the same buff applied to it as the Mk2b locke.

[grand perch]

Mk IV slash bayonet should one tap crushers

[tall torrent]

It’s got some DR
x0.85 from aura
x0.9 from grey node
x0.85 from talent
In the end around x0.65

[dry cloak]

Im using mk5

[pseudo fiber]

Plasma gunner round is the game deciding you've lost this Mortis run

[austere mica]

Sounds like something someone who doesn't run smokes would say

[tepid otter]

Is smokes really all that different now

[tropic halo]

Okay maybe I am digging more with the falchion, just got the hang of it

[tepid otter]

I havent used it all that much since I started also, except for when I was trying to finish a Penance with it

[austere mica]

They can be accessed without pulling teeth

[desert valve]

Pro Tip for dealing with Plasma Gunners:

[austere mica]

They've always been good

There just wasn't enough ranged pressure until havoc dropped to need them

[austere mica]

Boring

[tepid otter]

Hmm, maybe I havent found that much use of it cuz I just got so used to Shredder grenades as a Veteran

[austere mica]

Just run at them with a knife

[pseudo fiber]

I didn't try it in mortis lately fair point

The smoke shock grenade indulgence is fun I remember

[desert valve]

And you're instantly dead because there's 9 of them and you have less than 175 toughness.

[austere mica]

Heard about Storm Cloud

[austere mica]

They can't see me

And i have UD

[tepid otter]

Whats UD

[austere mica]

Until death

[desert valve]

Literally just turn them into Soup with your own Plasma Gun.
They're only Tanky because of the Carapace Helmet.
Take that away and they're just Shotgunners with a single projectile.

[austere mica]

No

Plasma is boring as hell

Point and click adventure weapon

I would rather use anything else

[tall torrent]

U don’t need a plasma to kill them lol

[austere mica]

Brauto works actually

Not entirely well

But it does work

[desert valve]

So you suck at aiming, got it.

[austere mica]

Yes

But that's unrelated

I do not like plasma

I played it for a while when I was bad at this game and realized it's boring as hell

And i came back to it more than once to try again

Its just boring

You left click at the problem and it goes away

[desert valve]

Give the Incendiary Shotgun a try

[tepid otter]

Well, i guess isnt that the point more or less?

Just kill whatever the problem is

[austere mica]

That thing is so inconsistent

[desert valve]

Yeah.

That's the point.

[austere mica]

If I'm using a combat shotgun it's agri

Or lawb for the meme

[desert valve]

Don't have to worry about skill if there's a 50/50 chance of it either doing nothing or felling god.

[austere mica]

My aim isn't that terrible

[tepid otter]

Me when I just unload a whole boltgun clip into my 'problems'

[austere mica]

I've mostly recovered my tknife snap aim

[desert valve]

That works too, but Fatshark took away 10 of my bullets because I did it too much.

[tepid otter]

i still like it really, idk why

[austere mica]

Bolter magdumpers when you tell them it only has 3 cleave

[tepid otter]

I guess its just how the weapon looks and feels for me kekw

[desert valve]

The Shattering Impact In Question:

[austere mica]

That doesn't affect cleave

That's brittleness

[desert valve]

Don't need more than 3 cleave if the target is dead by the time you'll need more than 3 cleave.

[tepid otter]

How does Cleave work on guns anyhow

[tame lodge]

Uh

[austere mica]

Same way it works on melee

[desert valve]

Gork & Mork decide how much you have, for the funny.

[austere mica]

Your shot goes until it runs out

[tepid otter]

Same with Rending, I'm like prolly a weeks in, in Darktide

[austere mica]

Rending is fun

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's the short version

[desert valve]

Rending is Armour Penetration.

[tame lodge]

Let's keep it like that

[desert valve]

And the Plasma Gun effectively has Infinite Rending.

[austere mica]

Every weapon has a set of armor damage values that can be listed as a percentage

Rending adds directly to that percentage

[tall torrent]

Can your shots go through the thing u shot at?

[austere mica]

Nope

[tall torrent]

No wtf lol

[desert valve]

Anything that increases Strength is just a blanket increase to weapon characteristics.

[desert valve]

Tell that to my Plasma Gun.

[tall torrent]

Bro is either fully ignorant or ragebaiting

Lmao

[austere mica]

So if your weapon does 80% damage to an armor and you have 10% rending you deal 90% damage tonit

[austere mica]

You are talking to John plasma

[tall torrent]

Infinite rending is not even a thing lol

[sly orchid]

Rending caps at 100%

[austere mica]

Not everything, just impact damage and cleave

[tepid otter]

Would rending be better overall or it depends on the weapon

[tall torrent]

Depends on the weapon

[desert valve]

And because Plasma is stupid, it never goes below 100%

[austere mica]

Rending is weapon dependant

[tepid otter]

Would it work on my Boltgun

[austere mica]

If you have good adm's it's not worth much

[tall torrent]

No lol

Rending is not the same thing as an attack’s innate ADM

[austere mica]

I think you are misunderstanding how rending works

[tall torrent]

They barely understand anything

It’s whatever

[austere mica]

And doesn't plasma have a sub 1.0 adm

[tall torrent]

Ignorance or ragebait
Or both

[desert valve]

Darktide definitely is, because my Plasma Gun wasn't this strong before the update.

[tepid otter]

what does adm mean

[austere mica]

Subjective information presented as fact
Ragebait or stupid, call it

[austere mica]

Armor damage modifier

[desert valve]

Subjective?
When an update breaks something, the update has broken it.

[austere mica]

The update did not directly touch plasma at all

[desert valve]

There's nothing subject to anything other than broken numbers.

[tall torrent]

There were no changes to plasma’s damage profile in the update

[austere mica]

The only changes it got was vet

[desert valve]

Something got buffed that shouldn't have.

[tall torrent]

Vet got better damage talents that can increase its damage further

It’s not a plasma exclusive thing

[slow spade]

well actually plasma randomly got hit by a bug that reduces its ammo count

from 135 to 112 for whatever reason

[austere mica]

That's everything

My brauto was at 40 and my shredder at 50

[desert valve]

I've noticed that.
Sometimes it skips back up to 135 until I reload.

[austere mica]

Something about stats defaulting to 50

[slow spade]

na I'm pretty sure Fatshark just hates us

[pseudo fiber]

I thought it was 0? Either way they know about it

[desert valve]

The Code Spaghetti has been stirred and the meatballs are spicy.

[austere mica]

0 stat is like 100 ammo for plasma

[slow spade]

weirdly, guns without ammo stats get affected by it

as my bolter is occasionally 14 rounds

[tepid otter]

Huh, I've never noticed

[austere mica]

I noticed pretty immediately

[tepid otter]

Played this morning it was still at an even 15 for me, with the Mk IIIb

[austere mica]

It only seems to affect mag size though

[eternal venture]

The meatballs are

https://i.gyazo.com/8b20be3e90e360172420c902f837012b.png

[austere mica]

So not that bad

[tepid otter]

The other Variant had 12, I just thought that was normal

[desert valve]

Yeah, I've seen that.

[eternal venture]

(Game crashes and everyone disconnects)

[austere mica]

It was slightly cursed though

[eternal venture]

I've already lost two ranks due to crashes lol

It's just like last season

[desert valve]

@tepid otter Pro Tip: Enable the Subtitles, it makes it harder for silent bursters to sneak up on you.

[austere mica]

Or mod your game and get Danger Zone

[desert valve]

Cringe

[austere mica]

Mods are great

[tepid otter]

Huh, hokay

[austere mica]

I can actually see my teams health in numbers

And fit my skill tree on one screen

[distant mural]

Just dont play havoc aric much more fun now.

[austere mica]

100x ragdoll force

[tepid otter]

Mods like the ones that are in steam?

[desert valve]

Maelstrom is as stupid as ever.

[austere mica]

Mods are worth it for super impact alone

[eternal venture]

Nah dcing still sucks lol

no matter what you play

[austere mica]

You have to get mods manually

There's a modding discord with guides and stuff

[distant mural]

U using mods?

Might be wortj it to give it a shot

For performance

[desert valve]

It's fun to load into Maelstrom and see that I have 9 grenades to dash at the enemy.

[tepid otter]

I think I'll keep it vanilla for now, but thats good to know

How do you have 9 grenades

[austere mica]

I'd recommend it eventually

[desert valve]

Maelstrom Modifiers

[eternal venture]

I usually turn them off after a major patch

[austere mica]

Stuff like better buff management and numeric ui are just too nice

[desert valve]

Sometimes the game shits itself and applies the modifiers twice.

[eternal venture]

They usually cause incompatibility issues and crashes

[austere mica]

Ignore that better buff management is broken

[tepid otter]

Oh, thats a thing? I've just being doing Auric Quickplays

After hitting lvl 30

[distant mural]

I just use the numeric ui and for the emperor and i think one performance mod and i dont have any issues with the new update.

I did crash once tho yesterday

[desert valve]

It's indescribably funny to watch an Auric Storm Survivor get juggled by 40 Fucking Mutants because one of the Modifiers applied itself twice and their build is one of Reddit's slide METAs.

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-the-worm-marcus-disappointed-sad-gif-2605580417128004547

[eternal venture]

I don't think they're crashes that mods can fix

They're the "You just encountered something broken in the map and now everyone in the lobby crashes" type

[thin stone]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff36958-ce54-490a-9d1c-90b7b721b383/lasgun-grenadier

How's this build?

Asking because I want to be a lore accurate Cadian guardsman

[tepid otter]

Huh, lemme know if it works well, I was actually looking for a build that works with an Infantry Lasgun as well just for the memes of being a Guardsman

[thin stone]

I'll try it out

Later today

[tepid otter]

This thing in the description tho

[grand perch]

Could be better imo

[thin stone]

Can you recommend an alternative build utilizing any Infantry lasgun except the slow ass one?

[grand perch]

At work right now but ilas doesn't profit a lot from WS but it's great with MMF

[thin stone]

Also would be nice if lore accurate guardsman

[grand perch]

Cadians in lore are shock troop sharpshooters so I went with marksman's focus

[thin stone]

What about the melee?

Power sword? Or Knife? Or Chainsword?

[grand perch]

I mean they use all of those but the standard soldiers would have his knife/bayonet so that would be the lore accurate option imo

[topaz lance]

Trying to perfect my "double barrel sicko mode" build:

[tepid otter]

If the Infantry Lasguns only had bayonets too

[desert valve]

Very fun.

Doubly so for Mortis.

I just chucked 700 grenades.

[normal bay]

I am having a hard time getting everything I want in a build now

Too many good nodes

[crude wind]

as it should be

[whole moon]

objectively, whats the least useful stat on the power falch?

[sly orchid]

mobility

[umbral scaffold]

500 cigaretes

[desert valve]

There is no meme.
I threw 700 grenades.

[whole moon]

cheers

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent ij knife with scoruge and enduring faith is stupid

with uncanny and riposte

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339337727541772289/1405142093722030192/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.gif

untouchable

[midnight wyvern]

So the recon las?

[thin stone]

Bruh

Look what just arrived in mail

Another 16 GB stick for my laptop

[midnight wyvern]

Dedotated wam

[thin stone]

Now Darktide can enjoy 32 GB

[midnight wyvern]

Noice, that's kinda the baseline for any game nowadays, 32 is probably what you actually want

[thin stone]

I meant 32

I have 16 of the same stick already, one slot is empty

[midnight wyvern]

I had 16 and it was functional, got another 32gb so I'm sitting at 48 now lol

[midnight wyvern]

Much more gooderer

[umbral scaffold]

Hadron gooning is appreciated by the emperor

[midnight wyvern]

Ayo

[sonic pecan]

Rework feels kinda trash tbh

[mortal aspen]

🫃

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-27442765

[desert valve]

Aim Better.

[sonic pecan]

I refuse.

[turbid ibex]

Sounds like a you problem

[sonic pecan]

I was promised terminator armor.

[sick marsh]

You are playing the wrong game.

[smoky sapphire]

Cadians in lore don't have a home anymore because their planet went poof

[smoky sapphire]

AI the LION would NEVER

[turbid ibex]

So since the pinned guide has outdated info on the taxes what are the attack combos for them

[midnight wyvern]

lmb

sometimes hold Lmb

sometimes special heads

unironically though, special is goated, I dunno the combos

MkVII special can knock mutants out of charge with a headshot

[turbid ibex]

And which mk should i use?

[midnight wyvern]

prob 7

it has a chain for Heavy into light chain for horde clear I just don't remember which heavy/lights they are

not hard to get to

[turbid ibex]

Cant wait for bath to finish the guide

[midnight wyvern]

I don't even use them

too much yap, not enough images

Ogryn brain

[mortal aspen]

i'm doing pushattack heavy for hordes

[turbid ibex]

What about perks

[mortal aspen]

light spam for carapace and ogryns

heavy light works for hordes too

and special stops muties, really funny

[midnight wyvern]

and usually like

2 specials for everything else

to tha ed

[quaint spoke]

Man, the health buffs for all the enemies has made the plasma gun feel really bad. The new brake points are making most things take an extra shot sometimes two. the fact without buffs it no longer one shots shotgunners on damnation+ really makes me sad. I guess with the leaked plans to nerd it said they wanted to make the charged shot more important and this does that but it makes it unable to remove threats fast enough with how long it takes to charge and how fast it overheats.

[split grove]

did anything get giga buff

[quaint spoke]

Sorta kinda. Lots of little things amount to big buffs.

[split grove]

looking for new toys to play with

[quaint spoke]

No, there’s not really a single item that got crazy buffed. They updated the chain weapons to where their revved up attacks feel a little better. There’s also the new sword they works kinda like the zealot relic blade.

[turbid ibex]

Power sword kinda got indirectly gigabuffed from the vet rework

[split grove]

which part did

[scenic solstice]

Good way to grind cash? (im only up to damnation)

[split grove]

auric maelstroms

[tepid otter]

I'd say do the Event for easy moolah

[scenic solstice]

bet

[split grove]

oh wait there's event rn?

[tepid otter]

Just gotta kill a bunch of plasma gunners

[north flicker]

Event is easy moolah. And easy to complete

[turbid ibex]

Hitchhike off someone's h40 matches

[scenic solstice]

these plasma roles are so ass

[split grove]

oh lol i didnt even know there's events

[scenic solstice]

i cant get a single dump on charge

[north flicker]

False.
Kill the captains that spawn.

[sudden cedar]

@tepid otter You don't need to kill Plasma Gunners, you need to kill the Captains specifically

[tepid otter]

Oh, huh

I was just playing casually and got through half of it already

I didnt read the thingies properly

[turbid ibex]

The bottom right part of the tree has a fuckton of damage bonuses for melee and just playing the game

[tepid otter]

My bad my bad

[north flicker]

Classic Ogryn moment.

[sudden cedar]

Yeah.. well.

[north flicker]

Fine print for tiny heads.

Ogryn smash.

[tepid otter]

smol brain best brain

[scenic solstice]

im so sleepy playing this game bro

gameplay makin me fall asleep

[red portal]

Really bad for grinding dockets.

Auric maelstrom gives you 80-100 k a game

[north flicker]

@red portal can I get a carry for 3

[red portal]

Not at home rn

[tranquil ledge]

What do y’all think of the new plasma enemy

[sudden cedar]

🤔 i wonder how best to put it into words

[willow prairie]

theyre ass

[sudden cedar]

Sounds like a skill issue.

[willow prairie]

zero sound cue

[sudden cedar]

Wrong

[willow prairie]

zero indicator

fast as fuck fire rate for no reason

shit took all of my enjoyment out of havoc

[willow prairie]

yeah the sound of my toughness being broken

theyre fine if they tweak the fire rate and give them indicator for when they about to shoot

[tepid otter]

I think the Snipers can shoot from even further away now, or is that just me

[turbid ibex]

I mean more so for the weekly reward

[steep flower]

Its just you

[tepid otter]

[willow prairie]

i mean this is normal pre update

[red portal]

Still not worth the effort for the ordo dockets imo

[willow prairie]

but imo i think it should be default for auric mael from now on consider increased difficulty

[turbid ibex]

Just do it once a week

[willow prairie]

also yeah havoc is for mat

[tepid otter]

This and the reduced visibility

[willow prairie]

you only need to do 4 and youre good for life

[tepid otter]

horrid

[split grove]

what's the best special/gunner gun now

if someone says plasma 🗿

for high havoc btw

[red portal]

Still probably plasma, but bolt pistol and zarona revolver is still good.

[tranquil ledge]

I don’t like them

[turbid ibex]

Helbore good too

[tranquil ledge]

The fact that the new plasma enemy has carapace armored helmets doesn’t help at all either

[turbid ibex]

And vigis also got buffed this update

[red portal]

Hellbore is more a primary weapon that a sniping specials and gunners though

[steep flower]

Shoot the body?

[tranquil ledge]

And the sheer amount of them is annoying

[split grove]

wait their helmet is cara?

lol

[tranquil ledge]

This is veteran

You are supposed to shoot the head

[steep flower]

Unfortunate

[split grove]

do u run helbore with exe stance?

[red portal]

Still a 2 shot if you have decent carapace.

[faint beacon]

Actually blasphemy I’m gassing this up

[steep flower]

Or use boltgun/bolt pistol/mk4 helbore

[tranquil ledge]

And they are more numerous than the maulers

[faint beacon]

But onslaught on Column MkIII Vigil makes short work of plasma gunners

[tranquil ledge]

I like the auto gun to fill the grunt fantasy

[steep flower]

Then obviously body

[faint beacon]

^

Blasphemy im even recommending it

[tranquil ledge]

Also they need a more obvious indicator they are going to shoot

[faint beacon]

But it’s genuinely good with WS pathing and specifically on Column

[tranquil ledge]

But other than the new enemy the update is pretty good

I love the new sword

Fantastic against horses

[split grove]

is arby or vet better for range deleting

[faint beacon]

Veteran?

Like easily veteran now

[tranquil ledge]

Vet. Arby is more CQC

Also the reworked talent tree is an overall improvement

[split grove]

I find myself doing the exact same smoke plasma born leader build like before

[steep flower]

I was preaching this from the start;
Plasma gunner will be the death of this game; already since launch when it was ~12k players online now as i checked was ~5500

[split grove]

I need to explore the new tree

[steep flower]

And its not even the first week of the new update

[split grove]

Send builds

[faint beacon]

They need tweaks

I think they’re a great enemy but holy shit

[tranquil ledge]

Oof

[faint beacon]

I wasn’t expecting pre nerf gunners level of “engaging gameplay”

[split grove]

i'm curious about helbore now what they change

[faint beacon]

3 of them stunlocking you to death

Or 0 indicator one is in play

[manic badger]

This is going to be a wild question

[faint beacon]

Get tagged by it’s AOE explosion

[manic badger]

that nobody can probably answer

[faint beacon]

Instantly go down

Very engaging gameplay

[steep flower]

The fact you can’t even peak them cause they just spam

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s my issue

Smoke stocks are up cause of this

[steep flower]

Bubble psykers too

[manic badger]

But the ranged flanking bonus. Does it apply to the splash damage of the new bolter? Like If i fire it into the middle of a horde and the splash damage hit's their flank hit box does it apply that damage?

[faint beacon]

I really like them

But like HOLY SHIT I WASNT EXPECTING IT TO BE THIS BAD LMAO

[steep flower]

What a joke that they wanted us to embrace build diversity yet implement an enemy that can be effectively countered only with meta

[faint beacon]

That or

Force you into always committing to “sigh fine I’ll be the anti ranged spam build today”

[manic badger]

Honestly this was a net win for vets though

[faint beacon]

Literally I’ve only found luck with hiding and waiting for them to rush me down

[manic badger]

in the aggregate

[faint beacon]

Plasma Gunners are the hardest counter to vet

We only get TDR

[meager echo]

C19-alpha smoke

[manic badger]

I've been using the new bolter and helbore

[faint beacon]

One plasma shot lands and you’re instantly the squishiest in the game

[manic badger]

and been deleting hordes of them

if you get caught out in the open though they delete you

[faint beacon]

My issue is less

If they direct it

It’s more they don’t even need to hit you

To apply that debuff

And holy shit

[desert valve]

Plasma, Bolter, Helbore, Vigilus.

These delete the Plasma Gunner.

[meager echo]

You throw smoke, they will walk to you.

[faint beacon]

I literally said this earlier

[manic badger]

that new bolter honestly might be broken, need to play with it more

[desert valve]

Not really.

It's just better at smacking elites around.

And horde clearing.

[manic badger]

it cleaves elite deathballs though

like it's not just tiny damage like the og bolter

and it constantly procs the power on stagger blessing

to like max stacks

[desert valve]

So does the Mk2, but it does it a lot better.

[manic badger]

its still probably untenable to use in havoc because of ammo

pretty sure helbore might be significantly more viable with the changes to exe stance

[faint beacon]

The slightly weaker Ogryn bracing regen makes it genuinely good

As if it wasn’t before

But still

[steep flower]

You know why havoc 1.0 was dogshit? Cause you had OP enemies that for majority of players you had to take a direct counter EVERY game; plasma gunners do the same

[desert valve]

Remember the Talent that lets you regain 1% of your ammo per Elite Kill?

[faint beacon]

Constant regen of toughness is pretty crazy

[manic badger]

it also ticks if you grab the perk to share toughness regen with teammates

so you give it to the whole team

and you can have it perma uptime

[steep flower]

There is a reason they nerfed ranged units

Cause havoc was dying

Fast

Due to them

[manic badger]

the worst ranged units in havoc are the basic non elite gunners

[faint beacon]

Havoc will unfortunately face a similar dilemma solely from plasma Gunner cause I hate to say it

[manic badger]

can't change my mind

[faint beacon]

They spawn in packs of 6-12

In H30+

[meager echo]

I heard about it, its a slog fest. Ive join havoc around arbi release so i have no idea how bad it was.
But atm, its tedious waiting for cooldown to fight plasma gunner, without bubble or smoke i dont think we stand a chance

[desert valve]

Plasma Gunners are just Volley Gunners 2: Burst-Damage edition.

I treat them as such.

[faint beacon]

Imagine base shooters being able to instantly down you at pretty large ranges

Gunners and Reapers it made sense but the relative spam of shooters was

Holy shit

[knotty hill]

Nothing like losing a mission because six plasma gunners took down the whole team in three seconds

[sly orchid]

Yellow stim shooters turning tertum into the beaches of normandy

[knotty hill]

This is why I only use smoke grenades

[steep flower]

Smite

[desert valve]

30 snipers.

[meager echo]

They are the worse, i have trouble figure out where they are though horde.

[tame lodge]

I actually want to see this

Haven't played havoc recently

[faint beacon]

See I think it’s fair game cause it’s a 50% on top of a 1/4 cause of the stim types

[faint beacon]

Yellow stim turns a 6 shot volley into a 45 shot

[tame lodge]

They also take 300% weakspot damage

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[tame lodge]

Yup

Funny laser party

[faint beacon]

Seeing it’s a chance on top of another chance

[manic umbra]

any word if they cancelled the plasma gun rework?

[faint beacon]

I don’t see an issue with it too much

[grand perch]

We lost one havoc level and another try because of server issues

[faint beacon]

Hi

[manic umbra]

Or is it just pushed back

[grand perch]

Moo

[faint beacon]

Me, Bumner, Ainz, and Cyn did

[desert valve]

Currently it's busted overpowered for reasons that I can't identify.

[faint beacon]

Twice

[grand perch]

It's the worst

[faint beacon]

Cause of server issues

[grand perch]

3/4 through a mission

[desert valve]

But what I can identify is the fact that the plasma gun currently just ignores damage resistances.

[meager echo]

Do you get 3013, ive fixed my with remember sever location mod.

[faint beacon]

Ainz was having terrible internet issues and we were basically Trioing a good chunk of it

Then boom

[knotty hill]

Plasma gun shoots through bulwark shield (at the cost of 300 damage)

[grand perch]

Next one didn't even start, mission aborted before the loadout screen, and everyone lost a try

[faint beacon]

All of our games crashed

All of us

Lmao

[desert valve]

Yeah I've been seeing a lot of Desync issues with my buddies.

[grand perch]

Peak server performance

[desert valve]

Too many players logging on at once lol

[faint beacon]

It’s less that

I think it’s the already struggling havoc server

Stacked with contam stims

Cause I love the animations they do but like I guarantee right now it’s trying to load in shooters

And they’re trying to hold back the urge to tweak out

[desert valve]

I am not fond of the Outgunned event.
It's giving me flashbacks to the Inferno event.

[meager echo]

Just fish for 21, rotten armour or stim. Avoid purple you will win consistent.

Purple in new patch is too much

[sudden cedar]

@tranquil ledge The "sheer amount of them" is to be expected in the dedicated EVENT missions. In normal missions they are very rare.

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/laGcHBzd6Cbcfqfpv?invite=cr-MSx6NDksMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=15

[sudden cedar]

I love the Outgunned Event. It reminds me of the Rotten Armour Event. Beautiful.

[desert valve]

I see maybe 2-3 of them show up in a Shotgunner Murderball

[faint beacon]

Actual fucking killbox

[pseudo fiber]

Fell asleep first at the sleepovee

[knotty hill]

Totally skill issue, should've just become invincible or something

[desert valve]

He's not a Zealot or Arb

He can't do that.

[sudden cedar]

I mean... you kind of aggro them before the door is open.

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/laHfzeo9Af3cyxLwW?invite=cr-MSxQV0MsMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=24

[sudden cedar]

Skill issue.

[sly orchid]

I believe you can shoot through the elevator doors

[desert valve]

^

[sudden cedar]

You absolutely can shoot through the elevator doors.

And everyone who relies on melee gets shredded because they have to wait.

[desert valve]

Chicken Wire is permeable to bullets.

[meager echo]

During this run, i've got a DH spawn at the other end of the bridge, where plasma gunners are spawn. Can't even shoot at them

[grand perch]

But not psychic effects

[faint beacon]

Tbf there is 8 of them I don’t think there was much that could be done in such a small area

[meager echo]

sometimes DH spawn at bs location, for instance right next to medicate or special spawn spot. It's annoying af.

[faint beacon]

It’s less the DH it’s more the unfortunate circumstance the AI gains braincells and camps it

Had plenty of matches where Tox bombers decide to camp on a DH and I simply have to stall

[crimson wyvern]

i genuinely cant tell if this is sarcasm or not

[meager echo]

the pain man

[tropic notch]

Blew his head shmoove off

[meager echo]

Overall i think new event is good tho, more boss spawn, get more people familarize with havoc.

[tropic notch]

Tbh i like the new enemy

[faint beacon]

Gangstalked by plasma gunners

I like it also but it needs tweaks

[tropic notch]

I don’t like them in groups of 8

[faint beacon]

It has issues that are glaring

However

[ember nest]

When 1 plasma gunner shows up its a jumpscare

[faint beacon]

It’s a good addition to the enemy roaster

[ember nest]

When 8 show up its a "what the fuck was I even supposed to do"

[faint beacon]

Die

[ember nest]

Overall I like them

[tropic notch]

Only allow like 3 to spawn

[faint beacon]

Or be bubble psyker or smoke vet

[tropic notch]

Not 9

[faint beacon]

Your choice

[fallen vale]

I like new event
I don't like turning a corner into a crusher patrol/5 plasma guns hiding behind a boss / a DH and a million snipers

[faint beacon]

3 is a confirmed stun lock btw

Welcome back pre nerf gunners

[ember nest]

I have a clip of rounding the corner into like 8 snipers

[fallen vale]

have started taking smoke because of them

[ember nest]

😭

[tropic notch]

Psykers just a dream node and we helps a ton lol

[meager echo]

It's good that they try adding new stuff, it's just that the balancing is not there.

[tropic notch]

I run at them with tac axe

And flip a coin

The funger coin

[ember nest]

They also need at least the "gunner" callout

please

[faint beacon]

Ironically enough that’s the play also if you don’t have a chance to hide

Cause it forces them into melee

[ember nest]

You ping them and nothing happens

[faint beacon]

Either get gunned down in the Bronx or manage to force them into melee

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/fear-and-hunger-coin-toss-coin-tails-gif-3319076472075751918

[ember nest]

I've been hellboring them so far

[faint beacon]

Gunned down it is then

[ember nest]

Been okay

[faint beacon]

Queue that zealot getting immediately downed

Lmao

[meager echo]

I think release enemy at op state then nerf them to appropriate level is better than adding more push over and suddenly overbuffed it.

[wise nova]

Lowk love the new falchion

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339337727541772289/1405142093722030192/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.gif

[wise nova]

Very space pirate

[faint beacon]

Falchion is fun

Issue

[hallow cove]

the only change i want is the distance at which he can fire, tired of getting shot from out of bounds

[tropic notch]

Too bad it’s blessings suck and it’s just a Rashad

[ember nest]

I wanted to like the falchion but it feels anemic

[faint beacon]

Rashad and PS blow its head schmoove off

In performance

[sudden cedar]

@crimson wyvern This is my full honest truthful opinion

[tropic notch]

It’s fun tho

[wise nova]

I LOVE bad weapons

[ember nest]

I don't understand people who jerk off to using dogshit

[faint beacon]

Taxe unironically became vets 3rd melee choice

[ember nest]

And I never will

[wise nova]

hell i only use dogshit weapons this eft wipe

[faint beacon]

Cause of E Weakness and Skirmisher

[wise nova]

?

[atomic void]

are we not counting ds4 as top 3 now

[meager echo]

And I think adding new untested enemy right to havoc is a bad move man. It might potentially piss off lots of players.

[atomic void]

💀

[faint beacon]

Cringe and stupid and uh

Dumb

[ember nest]

Unf I love it when the weapons is bad hnnngh

[faint beacon]

And i hate it

[wise nova]

I love the new enemy

[tame lodge]

Well
Taxe is a low investment weapon

[atomic void]

yeah but so is power sword

[tame lodge]

So that's that I guess

[ember nest]

• statements dreamed up by the derranged

Rashad for taxe right

[wise nova]

Yes I love using bad weapons because it means you don’t have someone yapping about the meta blessings for it

[faint beacon]

Why do you think I use PF even though Path insists I use PS

[tame lodge]

But at the same time

[faint beacon]

Cause it’s bumpy weird using it

[wise nova]

Plus the weapon just came out. I got a feeling it will work

[tame lodge]

Dueling Sword is just taxe on steroids

So

[atomic void]

cause FUN FACTOR babyyyyy

[tame lodge]

The top 3 conundrum

[faint beacon]

I hate how PS feels

So

I use PF

Simple as

[ember nest]

Whar

[faint beacon]

It’s why I used Vigils in their “dark age”

[tame lodge]

Or dclaw on steroids would be more accurate

[faint beacon]

They felt good to me

[hallow cove]

I think PF feels better to horde clear with than PS, and that's what I care most about lol

[tame lodge]

[faint beacon]

That’s a lie

[steep flower]

Cause Path is attracted to that weapon soo much if it would be possible he would marry it?

[wise nova]

Idk man I’m too tired to make coherent sentences

[steep flower]

[faint beacon]

That is a lie

[manic badger]

kraks are pretty wild right now

[wise nova]

I know the reworked vet but did they touch zealot at all?

[steep flower]

Its safer = better

[atomic void]

sunder on relic blade when

[faint beacon]

I will kneel in defeat to PS > PF in terms of Horde clear

[sudden cedar]

Can i have the Power Falchion as a Zealot, please? 🥺

[ember nest]

I don't like powersword :^/
Even though I know its good

[faint beacon]

But PF has better safety options

[tame lodge]

"It feels"
Feel based darktide gaming

[steep flower]

Hush, Zealot

[tame lodge]

[ember nest]

You already have better PF

Its called relic blade

[atomic void]

we have its superior brother

[sudden cedar]

Please. 🥺

[atomic void]

the relic blade

[tame lodge]

Zealot Vet Psyker

[faint beacon]

Chaxe value went up cause cap was removed iirc

[wise nova]

Yeah falchion feels great to slash through hordes plus even its unpowered state is pretty good

[faint beacon]

Am I going to use it?

[crimson wyvern]

your the first person I know that liked rotten armour event

[faint beacon]

Probably not

[steep flower]

NO.

[faint beacon]

Idk

[hallow cove]

All gaming is feel based gaming if you're not a sweaty weirdo

[faint beacon]

I liked it

[wise nova]

I run it with the weapon swap keystone to have something for big guys while falchion handles hordes

[tame lodge]

That's Rashad

[faint beacon]

I don’t like this event too much

[ember nest]

I thought it was fun 😭

[tame lodge]

[ember nest]

It wasn't even that bad

[steep flower]

I did like it too; i just stayed silent

[manic badger]

Which PF mark has better horde clear loops

[wise nova]

I fuckin loved it

[faint beacon]

I’m mixed on it mainly cause of the current state of plasma gunners

[blissful fractal]

ive had fun on every event too

[manic badger]

I just need it for horde clear

[wise nova]

One of my fav events

[ember nest]

Just beat the shit out of them in melee

[steep flower]

Poliamory it is then

[atomic void]

the changes they did to all chain weapons are really cool

[steep flower]

[ember nest]

The only one I didn't like was the explosives one

[tame lodge]

💀

[atomic void]

i dont fully understand the changes but i dont care

[hallow cove]

I don't love visibility reduction modifiers, I like seeing the level, makes me feel like warhammer

[ember nest]

That one kinda sucked

[wise nova]

What did they do?

[atomic void]

they just feel better now

[faint beacon]

Rev was changed

[manic badger]

changed the way the special functions

[wise nova]

Are they good now?

[faint beacon]

Actually hurts Unarmored enemies

[manic badger]

and then damage and a bunch of other thigns as well

[tame lodge]

Removed the cap on Orestes 12 lights

[atomic void]

they added lengthy patch notes but the tldr is the special action is just waaaay smoother

[wise nova]

As it should have

[manic badger]

the rev always one shots mutants

[faint beacon]

Chaxe and Chord being the bane of reapers and bulwarks of all things

[manic badger]

a

idk if it did before

[wise nova]

Let’s go. One of the main reasons I stop runnem is cause of how annoying g the rev was to keep spamming

[faint beacon]

I know Chaxe had it’s cap removed

[wise nova]

Can’t wait to try out zealot heavy chain sword again

[faint beacon]

So Slaughterer Headtaker might’ve shot up even more in value

[manic badger]

it also feels like you can cancel out of a rev now but I may just be high

[atomic void]

oh you will be spamming it, it just feels way better now

much more natural

kills fleshy mfs fast

[hallow cove]

anyone tried chainsword since changes? Still bad?

[tame lodge]

I don't think it's removed on the Mk4 heavies, didn't test it

[faint beacon]

When it takes 2 bursts to drop a mutant instead of uh

[wise nova]

I never got the low damage again ha unarmored. It’s a chainsaw that shit gonna hurt

[faint beacon]

6

Yes 6

[tame lodge]

But it should be removed on the 12, the patch notes said

[atomic void]

only meh against carapace otherwise its a lownmower

[faint beacon]

Vigils my beloved

[tame lodge]

It feels better

[ember nest]

Maybe I will take chord on vet over falchion for horde w/ helbore

[manic badger]

which mark of Power Falchion has better horde clear

[hallow cove]

1 is easier

[steep flower]

Use it; its actualy good now

[wise nova]

Second mark

[ember nest]

The one that you light light heavy light heavy light -> forever iirc

[wise nova]

First one has better single target chain attacks

[faint beacon]

More of a MkIIb enjoyer tbh

[steep flower]

Lawbringer; you just spam push attack into light & repeat

[ember nest]

The other one has bumass moveset

• you get the stab

[faint beacon]

Underhand overhead strike downs go hard as fuck against single targets

[wise nova]

I like the stab but I love the big slash’s better

[sly orchid]

I also enjoy 2b

[wise nova]

Real asf

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-and-jesse-pinkman-handshake-walter-and-jesse-handshake-gif-12675755010462311397

[faint beacon]

Yes theoretically

[hallow cove]

2b?

[wise nova]

I love the uppercut heavy so much

[faint beacon]

MkI is better cause it’s Hordeclear can literally be

L1 (L2+H3)

Or just light spam

But like

[wise nova]

Which one is the second one, I don’t know the actual mk names

[faint beacon]

H1+L2

MkIIb funnier

[ember nest]

You can just h1 h2 l1 for your single target

[steep flower]

Try lawbringer

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/nier-automata-2b-girlboss-girlbossing-sped-up-gif-24573994

[ember nest]

Its literally identical to the relic blade w/ the stab

[wise nova]

Also ogryn power maul is finally not absolute dogshit

[faint beacon]

That is the lawbringer

[ember nest]

You just do the same shit

[wise nova]

It’s only kinda dogshit now

[steep flower]

Lawbringerbis even simpler

[faint beacon]

MkIIb Lawbringer I prefer

[steep flower]

Use push att into light & repeat

[wise nova]

Also what yall think of the new bolter mks

[steep flower]

You’ll see

[ember nest]

Same bs as with the relics I fear 😔

[wise nova]

I’m loving the new bolter rifle mk

[ember nest]

People fear using lights

[faint beacon]

That or L1 H2 iirc?

Overhead strike down

Followed with underhand strike down

[steep flower]

Thats for singles

[faint beacon]

Oh we’re talking hordeclear

[wise nova]

Second mk relic blade for zealot it’s absolutely crazy single target damage

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s like

[steep flower]

[faint beacon]

Literally why I run it

Lawbringer propaganda

It’s PA actually staggers rager

Why I use it LMAO

[wise nova]

PA?

[faint beacon]

Unpowered also

[faint beacon]

Push attack

[steep flower]

It does?

[faint beacon]

Yes!

[wise nova]

Oh mb

I got ogryn brain irl

[hallow cove]

power axe

[faint beacon]

Why I immediately dropped MkI

[steep flower]

I knew it was better from the start

[faint beacon]

Cause when I discovered that could stagger ragers

I was like

Yeah no Ive decided

Lmao

[wise nova]

Wait which one. Relic or runic

[hallow cove]

I'm not in a party?

[steep flower]

Oh also; does not need att spd buffs to be good unlike rashad

[wise nova]

Rashad?

[steep flower]

Combat axe

[wise nova]

Thank you

[faint beacon]

Rashad needs Trench Fighter Drill for safety

[tropic notch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/273

[wise nova]

I’m still relatively new to vet. All other classes are level 30 and my vet is only 24

[tropic notch]

@faint beacon

[steep flower]

PF lawbringer does not

[faint beacon]

I like the 10% too much

Youll rarely see me not take it unless it’s like

[steep flower]

Try it without

[faint beacon]

Super specific builds

Taxe mainly

Lmao

[steep flower]

It really does not need it

[wise nova]

Santa ogryn

Did they touch rock at all?

[faint beacon]

I’ll have to see how different it is when I’m home

Besides PF was performing well in H31

[wise nova]

Also they reset all my ogryn presets. I’m so mad cause I had like 15 saved

[faint beacon]

Lawbringer naturally

[tropic notch]

Do you take any of the toughness nodes at the middle going to ft or ws path?

[faint beacon]

Yeah?

[half path]

id be careful with basing what you like off of this right now game is very bumpy at the moment

[faint beacon]

It helps a bunch

[tropic notch]

Guh

[ember nest]

Whats the consensus on the new bolter so far it feels underwhelming

[wise nova]

Again also, does the new bolter have more stagger or am I just going crazy. Like the new bolter pistol staggers bulwarks when u shoot their shield

[faint beacon]

I wouldn’t be surprised after they do the stagger fixes if it still does

Mainly cause swipe PAs tend to stagger ragers

[half path]

power attack prob will but i see a bunch of people ranting about the staggering weapons are doing on their light attacks

and im like

you know this isnt intentional right????

[faint beacon]

Okay admittedly

Chord being able to HARD STAGGER A DREG RAGER COMBO WITH LIGHTS

is absolutely not intended

Lmao

[wise nova]

I almost forgot about the dueling sword rework

The name finally fits

Now we need a devilclaw rework of the devilclaw

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build how can i minmax it futher

[plucky linden]

whaths the best weapon vets have against bubble shield bosses? Dueling sword heavies/chaingun?

[tropic notch]

power sword

[manic badger]

used to be dueling sword but Psword is pretty good

[plucky linden]

eh?!

[wise nova]

Kinda. If you are good with the new parry you can be untouchable

[plucky linden]

which Mark?

[surreal rune]

the power swords, chainaxe, dueling sword, devilsclaw

[tropic notch]

mk6

[wise nova]

I love that the new dueling sword is actually good at dueling

[surreal rune]

uh

[half path]

evil bumpy build

[plucky linden]

energized attacks or just single target combo?

[tropic notch]

what dose that mean

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339337727541772289/1405142093722030192/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.gif

[wise nova]

They gotta change my baby devilclaw. Give it like dagger speed and I honesty thing that would be enough to make it good again

[half path]

it stinks of cole

[surreal rune]

chainaxe revved heavy can destroy the shield fast, chainaxe mk4 lights can eat the shield

shockmaul special attack is godly too

[tropic notch]

well me and cole are pretty cool

we make peak builds

[wise nova]

I’ve been saying this for a while. It’s not insane but it’s not something to ignore either

[faint beacon]

This reeks of a Vet min max

Aka you don’t really need to do much tbh

[surreal rune]

it also applies hits of skullshatterer

[faint beacon]

You got everything you needed

[surreal rune]

so

[plucky linden]

what about PSword, do energized attacks deal more to the shield, or I should go just single target spam?

[tropic notch]

so its amazing

[faint beacon]

Though you could

[wise nova]

Oh shit really

[surreal rune]

power sword energized attacks do more damage

[faint beacon]

Pick up O4B for toughness on bleed kills

[surreal rune]

i definitely know it does on the arbites

[faint beacon]

Seeing you have Flechette + Shredders

[tropic notch]

i did

[faint beacon]

Yeah then you’re good

[wise nova]

Arbite just solos most things

I live it but I also hate it

[surreal rune]

arbites can apply a "fake" stagger affect which still can apply stagger buffs to bosses or enemies that cant be staggered

[wise nova]

They need to nerf him. Make each path much more specialized instead of a one man army

[wise nova]

It’s insane when paired with monstrosity hunter.

[plucky linden]

wait, how do I single target on Mk6 PS?
Just energize heavy attacks? (and yeah thats a shit sword, need a new one)

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build do this build

[surreal rune]

push attack, light

third hit is whatever

[surreal rune]

stab, strikedown

you can still two hit crushers? iirc

[faint beacon]

4 shots

[wise nova]

Did they remove zealots ignore death trait?

[plucky linden]

thank you

[surreal rune]

no

[faint beacon]

No

[surreal rune]

its actually

baked into the tree now

[faint beacon]

It’s a tax talent now

Cause like

[wise nova]

It ain’t in the same spot anymore

[faint beacon]

No one’s not gonna get it lmao

[wise nova]

Tax talent?

[surreal rune]

they realized that everyone took it

[faint beacon]

You path through it into the branches that lead into the auras

[wise nova]

Yeah cuz it was funny

[surreal rune]

so now its easy to get and the first part is mandatory

[wise nova]

Fuck me man

[tame lodge]

It's right under the blitz choices

[faint beacon]

Basically everything leads to it

Then splits off from it

[wise nova]

Can they stop touching zealot he’s good (for the most part)

[faint beacon]

So it’ll be in every build

[ember nest]

Its a free class trait now basically

[wise nova]

Just make martyr better

[surreal rune]

is this a nerf? lok

lol

[faint beacon]

It’s a buff

[surreal rune]

marty is better, has been good

[mortal aspen]

they literally did

[tropic notch]

they did

[ember nest]

Mfw 1 build

[wise nova]

🥀

[ember nest]

At least now there's a choice in what you're doing

[faint beacon]

Taxe with BP

[ember nest]

Or at least the illusion of it

[wise nova]

Feel like Henry of skalits when he refused to learn how to read

[tame lodge]

Yes zealot always been good
But the old tree

[tropic notch]

tbh crit is falling behind

[tame lodge]

Holy shit the old tree

💀

[wise nova]

That’s fair

[tropic notch]

have you fucking seen relic blade ij

[wise nova]

They just made my go to build a bit worse. The crit keystone with runic blade

[surreal rune]

relic blade benefits from crits?

[surreal rune]

no?

[tropic notch]

ij is better for it now

[tame lodge]

Yes and no

[wise nova]

Then my last build was so insanely unoptimized that it was somehow good

[tame lodge]

It's a CRIT adjacent weapon

[surreal rune]

i always prefered IJ for relic blade

if not marty

[faint beacon]

Scourge + Blinded by Blood is silly

[surreal rune]

the 20 max stacks is

saucy

[wise nova]

I had the crit builds ability from the backstab path paired with the crit keystone but I can’t find it on the new tree.

[tame lodge]

IJ is 20% again

[faint beacon]

Didnt play a match yet but In Psyk I already felt it’s raw power

[tame lodge]

But as a martyrdom main

[faint beacon]

It’s stupid

[wise nova]

That’s the movement one right

[analog yacht]

relic blade used to run psuedo crit build bc crit had the most DR talents and relic blade already killed everything

[tame lodge]

On the right yeah

[wise nova]

I liked it cause relic blade crit was insane against armor

[faint beacon]

Well thankfully theres DR talents that are based on killing now instead of

[surreal rune]

what ability cooldown should i take for relic blade now

[wise nova]

My all time fav was crit keystone thunder hammer

[faint beacon]

Me millionth Crit

[tropic notch]

you have crit weapons like tac axe abd knife then crit adjacent weapons like heavy sword, crusher, relic blade @surreal rune

[tropic notch]

fury

[wise nova]

Dash

[faint beacon]

Shroud is a second option

[surreal rune]

i mean the

cooldown

reduction

[faint beacon]

Mainly cause post buff shroud you literally nuke everything

[wise nova]

U can keep like 80% charge if you target elites

[wise nova]

If you’re running the crit one there should be a perk that reduces cooldown on each crit

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dda22ad-68a6-4234-8df3-7fea5a87a024/terrible-non-crit-zealot-build

[wise nova]

And there should be one that makes melee weak spot hits count as cries for building stacks unless they got rid of it

[tropic notch]

relic is flak unyielding, cranial wrath

[wise nova]

I always ran cranial grounding, is it just not worth it?

[faint beacon]

Cranial Rampage is the Auric combo

Havoc is Wrath Cranial

[wise nova]

So just don’t do any of the heat reduction perks?

[faint beacon]

Cranial is the best reduction blessing

[tropic notch]

cranial dose that

[faint beacon]

Makes heat uptime longer the more heads you hit

[surreal rune]

i see the new damage and cleave talent

is it

any good for relic?

[faint beacon]

Yes it’s good

In general tbh

[wise nova]

Nvm I thought crancial wrath was single perk, didn’t realize u mean wrath AND cranial grounding

[faint beacon]

But it’s just dependent if your melee is already good at cleaving

If it’s not havoc

Do Cranial Rampage

[surreal rune]

ah

cranial wrath has always been my personal pick

but m

those tougher trash mobs ive begun to see in

aurics

[grand perch]

Cranial wrath sounds like the worst migraines ever

[sudden cedar]

Tougher trash mobs?

[tropic notch]

its nice to have the non empowered form buffed

[surreal rune]

moebian 21st, mutated pox walkers

[sudden cedar]

Yeah..well..

[wise nova]

New plasma gun guys don’t count as elites so they’re thrown in with hordes. At least I think so cause they don’t show up on the elite kill feed

[plucky linden]

why Brutal Momentum on PSword? Remind me please, did it work on entire amount of targets hit in this game?
I.e. you do 1 weakspot kill and have infinite cleave for the rest of the attack duration?

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/ZBAz.gif

[surreal rune]

brutal momentum makes the power sword have

inf cleave on weakspots?

which is good for the light attacks

for horde clear

[tropic notch]

you can do bm or sunder

its cleave

[faint beacon]

“Infinite cleave” it stops after 3 targets

Your actual cleave kicks in on the 4th+

[surreal rune]

ah

[faint beacon]

It feels infinite cause of PS having 12 with powered state

Which is 1.5 per chaffe in auric

3 in Havoc

[surreal rune]

ah

[plucky linden]

yeah, using Sunder atm. for better single target

[void dragon]

Are we still stuck with the weird ammo nerfs? Do ObeseFish know that's an issue?

[void dragon]

Wait...they are NOT elites?!!

[sudden cedar]

They do show up in the kill feed.

You probably play the Event Missions where they are vastly more common.

This warps perception, making you think they will be similarily common in normal missions

Which is not true.