veteran-class

[slow spade]

I thought red buff was bad

[turbid ibex]

Ok i think i have enough to complete my ogryn loadout

[slow spade]

rip your arsenal

[turbid ibex]

Divorce had a bunch of weapons i was never going to use and Shaggy had one single weapon without perfect stats but for some reason was already yellow

[slow spade]

I wonder what would happen if I liquidated my arsenal

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/mon-gif-4387519

[hollow ibex]

How does this not bother you

All the clutter lol

[slow spade]

it used to be WAY more

but I kept sacrificing stuff for mastery

for context it took roughly 80 items for the Power Falchion c:

mostly because I just scrolled and clicked randomly

[turbid ibex]

Perks for ripper gun?

Im guessing flakiac

[midnight wyvern]

so many damn things to keep track of

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[slow spade]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3044646170

ALMOST certain it's flak + maniac. But here is the Ogryn guide

[midnight wyvern]

go damage to void shield

[slow spade]

sadly I'm not too versed on Ogryn stuff beyond my basic bitch Shield + Kickback ogryn

[midnight wyvern]

[slow spade]

I saw "+30% attack speed, +400% projectiles" on ONE havoc effect and knew this season wasn't for me

[turbid ibex]

Ok fuck i need diamantine to change the perks on curios

Oh hey godroll flamer

[slow spade]

smh getting good rolls

we need to bring back the GOOD old days where we had a 1% chance for a decent weapon

and we still had to pray Hadron didn't brick the weapon

[turbid ibex]

Im fucked

[hollow ibex]

Back to the grind

[turbid ibex]

Tf do i even do to get diamantine

[hollow ibex]

Play games and do the event

[turbid ibex]

Oh right the event gives materials

[hallow cove]

what blessings on rashad axe? headtaker and brutal momentum?

[turbid ibex]

Yes

[rough adder]

yeah

[hollow ibex]

If you’re able to catch ainz when he’s on he can carry you in h40

And you can get a bunch of diamantine

[turbid ibex]

Ig

I'll pretty much be in spectator mode the whole way through though

[hollow ibex]

That’s why he does it

And it’s worth

You’ll be set for awhile

[turbid ibex]

How much

[hollow ibex]

Idr like 20k dia or something stupid like that

[hallow cove]

damn rashad is cool but its so slow

[turbid ibex]

Per mission???

[slow spade]

yeah sadly Havoc is probably your best bet for Diamantine

[hidden badge]

How is ex stance with the revolver, bolter and helbore now?

[slow spade]

na at the end of the week reward chest

[turbid ibex]

Oh

[hallow cove]

good

[slow spade]

get Marksmen and you can do ridiculous levels of damage

Helbore can 1-tap crushers

[hidden badge]

Nice I'll give it a go later then

[hallow cove]

is deadshot worth it on helbore?

[slow spade]

of note, melee weakspot kills stop your stack decay

[slow spade]

imo, yes

it's not like you're spam firing it

[hallow cove]

was wondering if surgical perk alone was enough to carry the crit up

[slow spade]

with Deadshot, you're starting with a base crit of 35%

you can definitely do something with that

[hidden badge]

I'm glad they buffed ex stance and the helbore then finally given that I always felt like it just took too much work pre-buff to really be viable

[hallow cove]

with a .5 charge wouldn't surgical make it 55 if you were spam firing?

[turbid ibex]

40% actually

Helbores get an extra 5% crit chance innately

Also not considering any other crit chance buffs you might have from the tree

[slow spade]

oh true, I forgot about the innate crit

[low oar]

Higher difficulties or havoc weekly rewards

[hidden badge]

Nice. Yeah it was about time they addressed that and made it hit hard enough to be a viable choice over any of the other single shot weps with considerably better swap speeds

[slow spade]

Damnation at a maximum for the most diamantine

[slow spade]

One Motion got buffed from 25% swap speed to 50%

so it's a lot better swap speed

[hallow cove]

helbore swap speed is still very funny to me, all that extra time to flip a switch on the side with your non dominant hand

[hidden badge]

That'll help for sure when you have to swap to a melee for the heavy hordes. The single target bayonet stabs are very good as is

[low oar]

THe bayonet is already superior simply for the aura

[hidden badge]

The bolter shake weight is also quite ridiculous, but that thing hits like a brick shithouse and will delete a monstrosity so I accepted it

[low oar]

Being extra dramatic in your weaponry inspires fear in the heretics

[hollow ibex]

Used to be like a third of the speed

[hidden badge]

POWER SHOES

[hollow ibex]

That was ultra fucked

[turbid ibex]

So i just hitchhike off someone's H40 match once a week and i get a ton of materials?

[hollow ibex]

Yep

[turbid ibex]

How long does a h40 match take on average

[slow spade]

with the new shit who knows

new Havoc season and all that

[vocal lodge]

What would y'all say is good perks to run with the falchion running the cleave and finesse blessings

[hallow cove]

flak and unyielding or maniac, i like maniac cause ragers always sneak up on me

[vocal lodge]

Alrighty thank u

[turbid lodge]

random question for yall but thoughts on the recent skill tree rework? i personally am really fond of it, as now executioners stance is in par with VoC in my eyes

[narrow frost]

25-50m alot of variables

[turbid ibex]

Big W

[heavy rover]

it's so peak

[turbid ibex]

Zealot got the biggest W by far

[turbid lodge]

ive always been so much more in love with executioners stance

[hallow cove]

I think most people like it and are looking forward to more changes for things that didn't get touched like infiltrate and focus target

[turbid ibex]

Vet still needs some more time in the oven thougg

[narrow frost]

both are fine

Invis and FT

[turbid lodge]

yeah infiltrate is just left in the dust at this point

on the topic of new things

[gritty mural]

infiltrate just needs to be 30 seconds and it'll be fine

[narrow frost]

it doesnt have the point tax now

[turbid lodge]

what weapons do yall hope to see in the future soon?

[narrow frost]

which is one of the main reasons to not take it

[hallow cove]

infiltrate just feels bad if you play zealot with shroud imo but I'm sure it's usable

[turbid ibex]

I mean

It does kinda have some point tax at the bottom of the tree

[narrow frost]

bottom?

which ones

[turbid ibex]

Vet

[hallow cove]

power fist, longshot las, plasma pistol

[turbid ibex]

Takes 5 points to reach a keystone compared to other classes being 2/3 points

[turbid lodge]

actually was gonna say all 3 of those

[narrow frost]

I was talking in the context of pathing into invis

[turbid lodge]

that and maybe some kasrkin armors

[hallow cove]

oh and whatever this dude is firing

[hollow ibex]

Good. Needs a second rework though

[turbid lodge]

well more like the rebreather helm with a genuine visor

[junior grail]

Light Stubber?

[turbid ibex]

More 2h melees (specially for vet and ogryn), some sort of lmg-like ranged for vet, melta

[turbid lodge]

yea whatever the 40k variant is of a M249 SAW

[calm shard]

Not really need but it'd certainly help

[turbid ibex]

Ogryn punch weapon

[hallow cove]

I doubt vet will get 2h melees but I can hope

[turbid lodge]

yea i was actually thinkin of just fist-based melee yesterday in the shower lol

like tf2 heavy

im just really wantin to see more "elite" weapons or tools

[hallow cove]

also if we get plasma pistol people will call it pp and I love that for this playerbase

[turbid lodge]

like hotshot lasgun

[turbid lodge]

plasma pistol and chainsword would be awesome

i like the plasma system in darktide and all

but i also really like the SM2 system also

[turbid ibex]

Ogryn bolter

[hollow ibex]

if psyker is on their third talent tree, vet can get a second rework

[turbid ibex]

I dont think a full on rework is needed

[hallow cove]

vets are used to eating slop so I think this rework will pacify the playerbase into acceptance

[turbid ibex]

Outside of the bottom of the tree

[turbid lodge]

wym slop

[hollow ibex]

prob not but i do think there talents need to be adjusted

[turbid lodge]

ive only played for a little less than a year

[hollow ibex]

and portions of the tree still need work

[turbid lodge]

so i may just not know

[turbid ibex]

Agree

[turbid lodge]

or i wasnt aware whatsoever

[hollow ibex]

in recent history fatshart has just kinda fucked vet

[turbid lodge]

fair

[hollow ibex]

so we're used to it

[hallow cove]

vet has not been very good lately and generally people feel like having one vet on a team is fine but having two was kinda stinky poopy in high havoc, this patch might change that

[turbid ibex]

I just think calling for another full rework isnt needed

[hollow ibex]

finally get a unique weapon in god knows how long

and it's mid as fuck

[turbid lodge]

which unique weapon?

[hollow ibex]

falch

[hallow cove]

power falch

[turbid lodge]

i thought that was for all of the classes

[hollow ibex]

well what i want would amount to a second rework

[turbid lodge]

i guess i was wrong

[hollow ibex]

not a full rework

but it's still a partial rework of the tree

[hallow cove]

https://tenor.com/view/breakfast-secondbreakfast-lotr-peregrin-took-billy-boyd-gif-4522185

[turbid lodge]

and i havent yet been able to try the falchion but it looks really fun

[hollow ibex]

exactly

[vague fern]

Its like a weaker relic blade

[hollow ibex]

basically an easier, but considerably worse power sword

[junior grail]

Power Falchion in my opinion needs a mobility buff to be as agile as knife, taxe, duelsword then I'm happy

[hollow ibex]

i'd take that

[hallow cove]

i like the falchion alot but its probably not in our top 3 weapons

[hollow ibex]

rn it's just kinda shit

mid/shit

[hollow ibex]

prob not top 5

[sullen scarab]

What combos do you do on the tacaxe Mk VII? I've never really run it before. Is it heavy 1 > push attack for mobs?

[junior grail]

PowerShit

[hallow cove]

I was debating 5 but I couldn't immediately classify what I'd put at 4/5

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[turbid lodge]

i think the only reason why i would think its better / even worth it is because i love the power sword, but HATE having to activate it for every hit

[hollow ibex]

and then ST is light spam

[turbid lodge]

i like the heat sink idea itself

but ive just been using the trench shovel this whole time

[hallow cove]

power cycler is meta, activate it every 3 hits :^)

[turbid ibex]

According to bath vet's top 3 melees are PS, rashad caxe and taxe

[sullen scarab]

Ohhhh, ok, light spam on single target. I was reading rawr's guide and it had some combo for the single target and I wasn't sure lol.

[turbid lodge]

yea yea still

id still prefer the heat sink

[hollow ibex]

tacaxe has been reworked so the guide's a bit old

[turbid lodge]

you deff get more than 3 hits

[junior grail]

Some of the extra hits are due to ghost hits

[sullen scarab]

Ahhhhh, no wonder.

heavy 1 > light seems to be good too right

[turbid lodge]

fair

[sullen scarab]

damn, I'm running it for the first time

this thing slaps LOL

[hallow cove]

guys if im goated with the sauce I can use vigi autogun and people wont be mad right? RIGHT?

[junior grail]

It's like an angry chihuahua

Small but frakkin hurts!

[calm shard]

why not

[turbid lodge]

be real with me tho, ive played DT for like more than 300+ hours, but only have ever played Vet. yall think Ogryn would be better?

[calm shard]

use a meme build and shoot crushers with it

[hollow ibex]

if you're having stam issues, H L PA is also a good combo

[sullen scarab]

I know, this is hilarious, I didn'tk now it was this strong now, the heavy > Light combo is cleaving through bruisers so fast LOL

[turbid lodge]

i just really have enjoyed lasguns and the whole guard vibe

[sullen scarab]

got it

[hallow cove]

isn't that infantry?

[calm shard]

no

[sullen scarab]

It just feels weird doing the push attack after a heavy attack haha

[calm shard]

that's the columnus (3 shot burst) vigilant

[heavy rover]

helbore mk iv is hilarious with maxxed out MMF. One-shot plasma bois in auric like no tomorrow

[hallow cove]

i usually play the 1 shot

[sullen scarab]

single target on crusher seems to be really slow with the light attacks though, I guess that's normal?

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[junior grail]

Vigilant viable now?

[calm shard]

I mean it's better I dunno about viable

[hallow cove]

at least in auric

[calm shard]

Havoc viable obv

[junior grail]

Yea its no Bolter

[calm shard]

It was already good in aurics

[willow prairie]

which chainsword mark is better

[sullen scarab]

very fun though, can't wait to try this out lol

[calm shard]

Makes a punchy firing sound though

[turbid lodge]

yall think i should go into using an autogun soon? ive only ever played with the las-family, and ive been watchin mr unc, his videos make the infantry autogun or the stub revolver look really fun

and the recoil pattern / firing look of the infantry autogun just looks so satisfying when you kill things

[hallow cove]

revolver is peak memes

[turbid lodge]

which one tho

the quickdraw or the ADS

[hallow cove]

ads

[turbid lodge]

i like both for their own reasons

[slow spade]

ADS is better in like 95% of situations

with the last 5% being boss fights that aren't captains

[turbid lodge]

also i love how its been like a long while, tech has advanced so much, yet they dont give the autoguns red dots or somethin

[turbid lodge]

HOT KARKIN DAMN

[hallow cove]

if guard had red dots it wouldn't be 40k

[turbid lodge]

another thing about the guard

[slow spade]

"it's not COD" -former Fatshark CM

[turbid lodge]

i wish the infantry lasgun DIDNT have that stupid sight thing

[hallow cove]

I love the iron sight aesthetic

[turbid lodge]

I really was hopin for the iron sights on em

give me that TRUE guard feelin

[hallow cove]

helbore it up brother

[sullen scarab]

are there any skills that PS6 really needs, or is it still pretty much just plug and play like always

[turbid lodge]

I like the helbore, dont get me wrong

[slow spade]

I wish they leaned more into the Warhammer 40k aesthetic and put like an aquilla there or something lol

[turbid lodge]

but im more of a cadian than a krieger

[slow spade]

you can block cancel the charge to speed it up

also the push attack does insane single target damage

those are the main quirks of the mk6

[hallow cove]

a tiny skull on the barrel instead of iron

[turbid lodge]

are there any pc mods that get rid of the red dot thingy on the kantreal lasgun?

[slow spade]

yeah c:

[sullen scarab]

Oh yeah I know how to do that one, I meant like on the skill tree for vet lol

[slow spade]

there USED to be one but the weapon customization mod dev stopped due to difficulty maintaining it

[turbid lodge]

FATSHARK

HEAR MY CRIES

[slow spade]

OH my bad lol, just get the +15% melee damage node at the bottom right and you're good

[turbid lodge]

MAKE CERTAIN WEAPONS HAVE CUSTOMIZATIONS

AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

LIKE I DONT KNOW

[sullen scarab]

Got it! I love how easily accessible it is now

[turbid lodge]

GIVING US BAYONETS FOR THE INFANTRY LASGUNS LIKE THE MOBIAN 6THS

[slow spade]

yeah power sword is the best melee option due to performance AND it's super cheap to make good

[sullen scarab]

oh yeah is it still Maniac/Elite, Power Cycler/Sunder or BM for the ps6?

or did breakpoints change

[hallow cove]

i hope we get a melee weapon that is just a broken lasgun with a bayonet and you can't ever fire it just swing it like a bladed club

[slow spade]

definitely not Sunder on mk6

[turbid lodge]

that would be hilarious

perfect for cutthroat

like it comes with just 1 shot

then he just goes SWINGING

[slow spade]

here's what I use for perks

[sullen scarab]

Oh yeah, still BM?

[frank basin]

Better than falchion?

[sullen scarab]

got it

[slow spade]

yeah it changes in Havoc but not sure to what

[hollow ibex]

sunder is good on mk6 too

[sullen scarab]

You dump Targets as the dump stat, right?

[tall torrent]

Nah sunder is better for havoc

[slow spade]

Falchion is like half the dps for only a small increase to mobility

[tall torrent]

Sunder is better as u push diff higher

[slow spade]

Mk6 heavy attacks in Havoc?

[tall torrent]

U don’t have to

Sunder just for the cleave benefit is huge

[sullen scarab]

99% of my knowledge is reading bath.rawr's guide lol

[frank basin]

I don’t

[sullen scarab]

thank you for writing it sir

[slow spade]

OH the cleave isn't heavy only

I see

my bad

[sullen scarab]

yeah I really like Sunder

[slow spade]

yeah Sunder is pretty good then

[tall torrent]

Stagger 11 Dreg ragers in 1 hit

[sullen scarab]

I'm a goober and I feel like I miss headshots all the time

[slow spade]

I thought both the Cleave and the damage needed heavy attacks

[sullen scarab]

I feel like sometimes on PS if there's too many enemies I fuck up the "timing" on powering up, blocking, and attacking, and I don't get the right kills or something and enemies bleed through and start whaling on my ass LOL.

[slow spade]

cleave is the main reason for Sunder

I just push them back

[sullen scarab]

but with Sunder I just kind of go ape and it makes them cry

[slow spade]

pushing is king on PS

[sullen scarab]

i gotta do it more lol

I feel like I sometimes push but then push too much

like i'm at a black friday sale in the 2000's

my fingers too jittery from caffiene

[slow spade]

yeah that's why it's hard for me to not use VoC

Vet doesn't do well under pressure

[tall torrent]

power sword

[slow spade]

and VoC is instant pressure relief

[tall torrent]

rashad

[willow prairie]

raSHIT

[sullen scarab]

thank you sir

[hollow ibex]

do asscracks need tinkerer?

[willow prairie]

psword sweep

[sullen scarab]

i've been running your bolter/tacaxe build you linked earlier and its been carrying me lmao

[tall torrent]

Rashad having better stagger and dodges is nice

[willow prairie]

also goated push attack

[tall torrent]

Do u want to one shot havoc crushers

[willow prairie]

shit stagger rager

[sullen scarab]

do you run anything in particular with the Power sword build for ranged? or nah

[narrow frost]

double barrel......

[tall torrent]

Both I just posted are for plasma
If u play smth like revolver/DB/boltpistol drop OYT for AP under WS

[sullen scarab]

Got it!

[tall torrent]

OYT is just a really strong pick for toughness

[sullen scarab]

I like toughness

[tall torrent]

Rending helps Rashad quite notably vs crushers

4 tap auric
6 tap havoc

[sullen scarab]

damn

that's huge

[tall torrent]

Which, given crusher is 9750 hp, and Rashad staggers on weakspot hit, is pretty good

[hollow ibex]

well i don't play havoc

[tall torrent]

It also makes auric one shot easier with less buffs up

[willow prairie]

smh

[hollow ibex]

oof it can fail to one shot on aurics

lame

[willow prairie]

auric pl*yers

[slow spade]

plasma buff pls

infinite cleave when

[frank basin]

Damnation player

[sullen scarab]

anything in particular to run on plasma guns nowadays?

[tall torrent]

Unarmored
Flak
Rising heat
Gets hot

Stat distribution is specific

[sullen scarab]

also do you still need a weird stat distribution on plasma guns, I remmeber it was something like 69 in charge speed or something?

[willow prairie]

that heat iirc

[tall torrent]

68-69% thermal
71-72% charge
Test to see if u can shoot 8 times

[tall torrent]

Yes

[willow prairie]

so you can get 2 shot when overheat

[tall torrent]

It’s not for damage

It’s to max charge rate for less prefire delay

[sullen scarab]

Got it. I think you were the one that told me that last time I asked like half a year ago lo.

ye

i think I have one around that stats cuz you told me last time

I have one lying around that's apparently 70 charge 70 thermal

[frank basin]

Rare

[tall torrent]

Good enough

[sullen scarab]

current one

definitely shoots 8 times

hopefully when I level this up it doesn't do anything weird with the stats lol

I remember I had one that looked perfect but due to rounding it changed when maxed?

[frank basin]

Have loadout config mod help you that

[sullen scarab]

oooo

i need to get that

[willow prairie]

what loadout config do again

[frank basin]

Give free demo weapon use in psyk

Test with many combinations blessing and stats tweak

[tepid otter]

Does the Alt Fire on the Power Falcion just make you deal more dmg

I'm like still trying to get a head on how to properly use it, and idk if I'm it right kekw

[hollow ibex]

yes

basically turn it off when you don't need to fight

or you're just killing a few stragglers

[tepid otter]

I've just unlocked the other Mk for it as well, is that better than the first one you get

[willow prairie]

is there a mod that disable xe stance fov change

I want to kill myself

[sharp epoch]

guys plamsa got nerfed 😔

[sharp epoch]

also yes

[willow prairie]

when

plasma can literally 1 shot crusher now

😍

[sharp epoch]

thats not even plasma though thats vet tree

plamsa lost 20 bullets in the mag

[willow prairie]

20 is like nothing

really

[void dragon]

hey @tall torrent if kraks need grenade trinkerer to kill crushers, what should i swap from that build you showed me early? Grenadier? or the extra capacity and 20% chance to toss 2 is good enough trade?

[sharp epoch]

its like 20% less bullets in the mag

[void dragon]

feel that is a bug in general, ogryn Twinstubber also lost some ammo

same with Vet's Bolter

its like a general bug

[lapis osprey]

/usetalents veteran 29;5|1,6|1,7|1,9|1,10|1,13|1,16|1,17|1,19|1,21|1,23|1,35|1,36|1,38|1,40|1,41|1,45|1,47|1,49|1,51|1,53|1,54|1,57|1,58|1,61|1,63|1,65|1,67|1,74|1,76|1

H40 smoke DB build:

I feel this build needs slightly more damage then it would be perfect. any suggestions on what I can drop here for that?

[sharp epoch]

its a shadow nerf conspriacy

[tame lodge]

Hey mate

[sharp epoch]

how r u skipping superiority complex

[tame lodge]

Stagger threshold got stealth nerfed

[void dragon]

likely to raise the power of the crusher hordes by depriving the players of ammo

[sharp epoch]

ammo against crushers was always like not that good though in havoc at least

[lapis osprey]

I wanted to take it but idk what to drop

[willow prairie]

I literally don't know how that related since you don't use ranged weapon against crusher anyway

outside helbore and exe stance

[sharp epoch]

I think you can drop that 10% ranged damage node

[void dragon]

even worse whit some modifiers in havoc that makes them have like triple health

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff4d84d-fb1b-44e6-ba31-cdf7674ea590/bloody-barrel-blaster?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button here's my build if u want to take a look

[sharp epoch]

zactly

[mellow sable]

Is Deadshot worth it?

[sharp epoch]

also drop the red node on the right for skirmisher

[hybrid plover]

Could just switch exe stance for shout

[hollow ibex]

generally no

[hybrid plover]

And yeah it is imperative you use skirmisher if you're going right side

[sharp epoch]

red node is pretty bad now that tac awareness is ded

[void dragon]

depends of the weapon and setup, Laspistol with ways to regen stamina like the Target down node can work wonders

[shy raft]

So, what's the consencus on veteran now? It's better than zealot or arby?

[sharp epoch]

nah no way

zealot got mega buffed and arby is just the strongest still it barely got touched

[narrow frost]

Vet 👍

[frank basin]

Vet is okay

[void dragon]

doubtfully that better than arby, its performance is better overall, but is hard to tell its place with just one day of it live

[hollow ibex]

vet's better for the team

[frank basin]

They say No more dog shit skilltree

[hollow ibex]

individually arbi is prob still stronger

[shy raft]

I was wondering if ti's worth to main the vet now, bored from arby

[hollow ibex]

idk about zealot

[void dragon]

making the box perk been amost to hard to pass is really a good move, lean into the support veteran

[frank basin]

Yeah it is

But is okay

[tame lodge]

Vet and zealot are not mid

[sharp epoch]

if you play vet like arby your gonna feel like your made out of tissue paper

[tame lodge]

[hollow ibex]

and then there's me taking serrated blade instead lol

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[lapis osprey]

no shout? whats the playstyle like here since you are still using wep specialist? do you like activate executioner stance then shotgun then melee for ammo then shotgun?

[shy raft]

played vet before on aurics, I know how to

[hollow ibex]

all 3 nodes in that row are tax talents

and i hate paying taxes

[tall torrent]

power sword (frag)/ rashad (krak)

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/idc-who-the-irs-sends-taxes-dan-vs-gif-20441836

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-search-your-feelings-you-know-it-to-be-true-star-wars-gif-16574787

[shy raft]

So, vet is much better than previous version, but still weaker than zellie, got it

[hybrid plover]

Literally the same concept as playing with shout except your double barrel will do noticeably more damage

[void dragon]

I mean the one for the bolter you showed me, this one

[hybrid plover]

Just that you don't have that instant stagger button

[eternal venture]

It's kind of funny that Enhanced Target Priority still doesn't let your team refresh your Exe Stance timer if they kill a marked target

[void dragon]

What guns you run with those anyway?

[eternal venture]

not that it particularly matters now that 8sec duration Exe exists

[sharp epoch]

I feel like db is just a trigger for ws when I play db build

[lapis osprey]

ah i see

[hybrid plover]

I mean they're both triggers for one another. That's, how the keystone works.

[sharp epoch]

exe gives you like 25% ranged damage is basically it

shout has a lot more utility imo

[hybrid plover]

Well duh.

[sharp epoch]

well it also has 10% toughness regen per sec now

[hybrid plover]

But I'm bored of shout.

[void dragon]

is superiority complex not to good? i saw many skip it

[sharp epoch]

it is

[hybrid plover]

And exe stance is actually pretty usable given it just adds more damage to vets already crazy damage values with right side tree nodes

And the passive regen. Along with out for blood and confirmed kill working together for crazy toughness gains

[void dragon]

you probably can become the tougness battery for the team with born leader

[frank basin]

Charisma removed

[hybrid plover]

That's why I have born leader in that build.

[frank basin]

I miss that 50% aura radius

[void dragon]

is in born leader

[frank basin]

Oh

[tall torrent]

Oh wait
Take tinkerer
Mb

[tall torrent]

Any that doesn’t need AP

[hybrid plover]

It may not be golden toughness but it's still considerable passive regen for me and helps the team.

[void dragon]

wait, so the combat shotguns could use those?

[hybrid plover]

Just don't get overheaded :)

[void dragon]

what I drop? the grenadier?

[lapis osprey]

Is there a bug with smoke where you throw 2 at once?

[void dragon]

grenadier has build in the 20% chance to toss 2 nades

if that's not it, idk

[lapis osprey]

thats prob it

[hollow ibex]

feature, not bug

unironically lol

[lapis osprey]

Does the sight range reduction stack with 2 smoke nades?

[hollow ibex]

wdym?

[lapis osprey]

does it increase the reduction effect if i stack two smoke nades on each other

[slow spade]

sadly no

[shrewd nova]

God, it's been so long. I don't even remember how I built my veteran

[slow spade]

though that would be funny

[eternal venture]

It just creates two passable walls

If that makes any sense

I don't think it has any use with smokes besides maybe possibly making your smoke cloud a little bigger

[shrewd nova]

@tall torrent Do you have a general purpose auric build I can steal?

[lapis osprey]

/usetalents veteran 29;1|1,5|1,6|1,7|1,9|1,10|1,16|1,17|1,19|1,21|1,23|1,35|1,36|1,38|1,40|1,41|1,45|1,47|1,49|1,51|1,53|1,54|1,57|1,59|1,61|1,63|1,65|1,67|1,74|1,76|1

Here is my final smoke DB build that I have used in H40.

Playstyle is psword>db>psword , shout when needed, smoke when fighting hordes

[fading yarrow]

Just lost a Damnation, Lights Out, Event Mode Hab Dreyko run about 20 feet away from the tree

It wasn't even the Plasma Gunners that got us, we had to fight two Scab Captains while tip-toeing around three or four back-to-back Daemonhost spawns

Not to mention the gorillion Crusher packs

[shrewd nova]

Ohhh, shotgun, cool

@hollow ibex Ohhh, I recognize you from civitai.

[hybrid plover]

I honestly would not recommend close quarter killzone tbh

The uptime on the red nodes is just not going to be as good as it used to be

You could probably trade that for something like confirmed kill which would significantly increase your survivability

It is night and day playing with and without it.

[warm walrus]

welp, time to respec everyone

[honest quiver]

anyone else try out uptime?

the mod i mean

it's been pretty insightful for me so far

i learned that tactical awareness doesn't proc nearly as often as i figure it should

[tame lodge]

I really wished it could filter out certain talents

Specially teammates

[honest quiver]

i'm sure that the author will add that as a feature in time, it's still a pretty new mod

he just updated it earlier today i think to fix a bug that didn't show every buff that was active

switching tac awareness for this

gonna see how it goes

[warm walrus]

any must picks/no gos on vet

i have no idea what im doing but im trying to make sense of the update

[honest quiver]

no shame in trying out a gameslantern build and working off of that

[warm walrus]

not a bad point

alright, sure

[honest quiver]

chances are it won't be very good, but when i started back i just used one as a base and modified it based on what i was doing

like right now this is my recon las infernus build

[warm walrus]

im rocking bolter and power sword rn

[honest quiver]

that'd be a good weapons specialist set

that's gonna be these talents on the bottom right

[warm walrus]

hmmmmm, copy

i grabbed marksman's focus but good to know

[lapis osprey]

Whatever works best for your situation i guess, tactical awareness gives ability cd so if you can kill enough specialists i guess it works

and in high havoc tanking is kinda useless anyway since you gonna get 1 or 2 shot

[manic badger]

How is the new mark of bolter?

[tall torrent]

this is very good but tac awareness still very good

[fading yarrow]

Big fan
Staggers everything around its targets, chews through Ogryns

[hybrid plover]

wait I'm talking about close quarters killzone

[tame lodge]

It exists

And it's there

™

[junior grail]

Ain't that the PFalchion?

[tame lodge]

It also exists

And it's there

And it's an affront

🫡

[gilded wraith]

Should I remove Sprint Efficiency from curios now that we have .75 stam delay?

and just replace it with stamina generation?

[slow spade]

x3 stam curios with 3x stam regen with 3x sprint effi

the Emperor will protect

[fast shale]

Should I sacrifice these 2 points to get the keystone? recon lasgun build

[heavy rover]

for recon? I don't recommend doing that

[fast shale]

Aig so for recon build it remains the same as before the lil rework? no keystones and only getting the good stuff?

[stuck lintel]

what are good perks for power falchion? flakiac?

[fading yarrow]

My loadouts just broke before my very eyes

I'd only fixed up my main one so I tabbed over to fix the next, then tabbed back to my main one only to see its talents and weapons reset

[obtuse finch]

this alright for auric? (NOT HAVOC)
i run plasma + bowie knife

[heavy rover]

haven't played around with recon since the rework, i'm assuming so

[obtuse finch]

with the build reset i forgot what i was using

[glossy falcon]

Does vet feel squishier than last patch?

[obtuse finch]

Did you put your talents back together?

[glossy falcon]

Ya tried at least haha

I was trying a recon lasgun infinite ammo thing, but probably need to use a more typical build again to see

[hollow ibex]

it shouldn't, vet got some pretty big buffs

[glossy falcon]

toned down to damnation and getting like 4 shot by regular mobs in mortis trials

I'll try some other combos

[gilded wraith]

How does this look? Recon 6c and PS 6

[past saddle]

Is plasma still good in this patch or no?

[shrewd nova]

Did they change it?

[past saddle]

No, but I'm not sure if other weapons overtook it

[gilded wraith]

Helbore is probably close

[tepid otter]

I saw someone say it could one shot crushers now, not sure what Talents they had tho

[fading yarrow]

Infinite ammo Helbore is real :prayge:

[tepid otter]

Trying to remember what my old Exe Stance build for it was, but the talent tree looks so different now

[hollow ibex]

lol it's not practical, don't bother

requires like everything that gives damage

and you need to be a certain range away

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tawdry blade]

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[tropic notch]

@tall torrent how is this?

[wraith lion]

The forge skins and the commisary skins that use unique models should get made into marks.

[tropic notch]

idk if i should drop something for toughness or not

[wraith lion]

Oh this isn't genchat my b

[honest quiver]

kitey

[slow spade]

teammate killed me -> silent burster -> medicae didn't work -> mission aborted during the end section

oh yeah this is a Fatshark mission if I've ever seen one

[formal ice]

Yall Veterans, since you are the weapons guy I will make a question that totally have to do with this class

Deimos sword parry or dueling sword parry

[tall torrent]

do u rly need O4B and BL

[tropic notch]

bl?

[tall torrent]

born leader

[tropic notch]

guh

uhhh

i thougt about dropping tbh

[unique orchid]

born leader is + coherence and % tough to teammates right?

[tropic notch]

it makes everyone immortal

if im killing stuff

[unique orchid]

always good

just kill stuff 4head

[tropic notch]

but

[unique orchid]

[tropic notch]

i like being selfish

[unique orchid]

no, bad 🗞️

[tall torrent]

they alrdy immortal

[unique orchid]

team game

[tropic notch]

ok real

my zealot is unkillable lol

well

[tall torrent]

just fixed up DT on Linux

[tropic notch]

excpet for plasma gunners

[honest quiver]

proton has an EAC workaround?

[tepid otter]

Been a while since I last played and I just get melted by the new traitor plasmagunners

[tall torrent]

it works yea

it runs better on linux than on win11 for me

better frametime stability

[woeful ibex]

Anyone have good blessings to use for the Power Falchion?

[tall torrent]

cranial + wrath

[woeful ibex]

alright

thanks

[tepid otter]

Decap worth taking?

[tropic notch]

where can i put it?

ooooo nade tinker

[midnight wyvern]

being able to freely take smokes in havoc is

my beloved vape cloud

[tame lodge]

Too unreliable

[remote sonnet]

Did they buff the plasma gun damage? I feel like it 1 hit some enemies more often now.

[atomic void]

extra dmg from tree

[remote sonnet]

Probably

[mellow sable]

The plasma gun is lesser at base but the tree makes up for some of it

[remote sonnet]

I just rebuild pretty much the same build I had before the update.

[junior grail]

What ability do you use plasma with?

[solar valve]

helbore is so nice with MMF now

[slim pulsar]

am i bad or are plasma gunners very frustrating

[slow spade]

I use Weapon Specialist

[slow spade]

welcome to snipers mk.2, your complementary debuff is included

[slim pulsar]

snipers give me a warning before they shoot

[slow spade]

your toughness instantly breaking is the cue

[slim pulsar]

these guys just tell my toughness to go fuck itself

[junior grail]

I kinda hope Plasma Gunners can overheat and blow up at random

[slim pulsar]

and why are they so hard to kill

[junior grail]

Carapace

[hearty panther]

hit the body not the head

[slim pulsar]

ah

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/laGcHBzd6Cbcfqfpv?invite=cr-MSx6NDksMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=15

They're hand crafted solely to piss me off

I like their design

but they do need tweaking

[slim pulsar]

i just love when im doing mortis and the game decides to spawn 20 plasma gunners

instant death

[hearty panther]

yeah they should shoot faster

and through cover

[faint beacon]

remove the fucking blast AOE applying the debuff is my take

that or tune the stun by it down a bit

cause 3 can stun lock you to death

[slim pulsar]

they need way more of a windup before shooting like snipers do

so i can actually fucking dodge

[slow spade]

yeah you can get debuffed through psyker shield so the debuff doesn't even need to reach you to apply lmao

[junior grail]

What if they force the plasma gunner to vent after every shot?

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/laHfzeo9Af3cyxLwW?invite=cr-MSxQV0MsMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=24

[sharp hamlet]

Takes me back to the old days of getting stun locked by Rodin’s plasma gun

[faint beacon]

This clip was sponsored by unfettered hatred for Plasma Gunners

[slim pulsar]

wait they apply a debuff??

[faint beacon]

Yeah -75% total toughness regen for 5 seconds

[slim pulsar]

WHY

[slow spade]

something like -80% toughness regen

it's insanely rough for Vet

[faint beacon]

can keep refreshing if the AOE blast is near you or hits you

it also slows you slightly if I recall

[slow spade]

played correctly and dodged? Get fucked no toughness regen

[slim pulsar]

i feel like this unit was meant to be only spawning on auric modifiers or something

[sharp hamlet]

Personally, using Arby’s casti stance and their wide spread shotgun is very cathartic against the plasma death squads.

[slim pulsar]

i shouldn't be having such a hard time on normal damnation lol

crazy

[slow spade]

the plasma gunner feels like it was an attempt to bring up Shield Psyker stocks

[tall torrent]

Gale do u wanna play

Mortis new stuff

[faint beacon]

Havoc Plasma Gunners

[sharp hamlet]

Business is boomin’ pal

[slow spade]

YIPPIE :D

[faint beacon]

Probably some of the most miserable shit you can get subjected too

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/goonies-bullets-reflecting-fat-kid-gif-21627306

[slim pulsar]

it's already super bad in mortis

[slow spade]

Pus Hardened Plasma gunners when?

[slim pulsar]

and i thought the game spawning 300 gunners was bad

[faint beacon]

Stim plasma gunners

Red one's

to be exact

cause they cant be yellow

[slow spade]

lol

[faint beacon]

Rodin volley fire except its 24/7

BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM

fuck you

[slow spade]

I saw a psyker get 2 tapped by one

and that was in Auric

[tall torrent]

First shot whole toughness

Second shot whole health

Fair and balanced enemy

[slow spade]

as intended

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon wanna try the new Mortis stuff

[faint beacon]

I just think they need to fire slower, or the AOE needs to be removed

[faint beacon]

Yeah I can spare a match

[slim pulsar]

is there any tactic to use against these guys other than hide and wait for them to get closer

[faint beacon]

Rush them down immediately

like IMMEDIATELTY

[slow spade]

they're resistant but not immune to staggers like grenades

[faint beacon]

forces them to swap to melee

They have Shotgunner AI

[slow spade]

Vet HATES these guys sadly

[slim pulsar]

what about mortis

[faint beacon]

so you get close they swap to melee

Pray

[slim pulsar]

i cant rush 20 plasma gunners

[faint beacon]

when its 20 you have to hide and have them come to you

[slim pulsar]

so far the only thing i found works is throwing krak from behind cover

[faint beacon]

they demand to be respected in groups of 3+

[tall torrent]

It says ur not available for matchmaking

Also there’s a new penance for beating auric Mortis without health station or ammo

The frame for it looks quite nice

[junior grail]

How does Smokes fare against plasmagunners?

[sharp hamlet]

At least they swap to melee instead of continuing to delete you from existence like scab gunners do

[faint beacon]

Pretty good

Honestly speaking of

[tall torrent]

Yes

[faint beacon]

let me make a build

one second

[slim pulsar]

the penance is bugged lol

[remote sonnet]

Scab plasma is not a big issue imo.

[slim pulsar]

i got it in damnation difficulty

unintentionally

[sharp hamlet]

Got it in auric, immediately saw people get it in the next heresy match I played lmao

[slim pulsar]

kinda sucks but it's a nice frame

feels cheap though

[sharp hamlet]

I bet it can be obtained in uprising lmao

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Alr

all good

im bringing smokes solely for Plasma Gunners

cause in Auric Mortis they actually end runs

no joke

[slim pulsar]

dude they end runs just in damnation lol

[tall torrent]

One sec game crashed

[faint beacon]

They're just that fucking oppressive

I literally drop everything im doing to try to kill them

but people dont realize

hey the dickhead with his glowstick gun is the dangerous guy in the room

[slim pulsar]

especially when mortis always spawns a ton of them since the game treats them like normal gunners

[sharp hamlet]

The plasma death squads are no joke

[faint beacon]

and get dropped immediately by him

[slim pulsar]

but then again everybody sucks in mortis for some reason

all the pubs i play with at least

[faint beacon]

New players on play Mortis

thats

[hollow ibex]

it's the meme game mode

[faint beacon]

mainly why'

all of the genuinely good players refuse to touch mortis

Cause its boring

[slim pulsar]

but i like mortis lol

[viral nacelle]

its boring and lame tho

[sharp hamlet]

Tbh, it is the “turn your brain off” mode, at least in my opinion

[slim pulsar]

it's boring until the game decides to throw way too many things at you

[faint beacon]

I can play it for a tinsy bit mainly cause they added some new things to it but

its gonna wear off

[sharp hamlet]

50 ogryn nuclear boxes in a row makes the frame rate tank, and I love it. God I miss that match.

[slim pulsar]

anyways that still doesnt explain why so many auric title people suck at it lol

[faint beacon]

Old auric

or returning players

etc

[sharp hamlet]

They probably cheesed their title in some cases.

Back when that was still possible

[slim pulsar]

prob yeah

the title has never indicated skill to me lol

[sharp hamlet]

It sucks that the new frame is basically the same now, worthless

[slim pulsar]

i'll be happy when i get my 50 matches mortis banner

[sharp hamlet]

Well, I think it’s worthless anyways, since it can be gotten in heresy lmao.

[slim pulsar]

yeah it's worthless

i didnt even have to do anything to get it. i still went and took ammo

[sharp hamlet]

Lol, scrap code back at it again.

[slim pulsar]

poxbreaker is probably the most impressive title to me

[desert valve]

And then Sefoni throws 4 Chaos Spawns at you.

[slim pulsar]

that's straight up just experience with the game

[sharp hamlet]

Try throwing more nuclear boxes pal

[junior grail]

Remember that one time we got Aquilas for an event?

[sharp hamlet]

I ‘member

[vague fern]

Its fun throwing the double cluster bombs as ogryn and watching people crash out of the match

[sharp hamlet]

Ah, I see you are a Big Man of culture as well

[faint beacon]

got barreled by a fucking reaper

[wild vortex]

has Path posted any updated Vet builds with the new tree?

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent

So they buffed the DH in mortis btw

kills Vet insanely quick

[tall torrent]

skill checked by warp anomaly

[faint beacon]

Actually kinda fucking miserable when the melee weapon I had wasn't doing great against it

Plasma gunner spam

aka

death

immediate death

[tall torrent]

clearly u should have gotten +200% weakspot and up to +250% crit dmg

all the difference

[faint beacon]

I didn't get anything good outside of more crit chance

and that was about it

[tall torrent]

me looking at the least broken EMP boon

@faint beacon

[undone ravine]

lock and load talent with the revolver is kinda funny reload animation

[faint beacon]

Fair and Balanced

I got nothing but utter dogshit that match

[tall torrent]

deserved for playing power falchion

[faint beacon]

Deserved for playing a fun melee I guess

idgaf

[craggy goblet]

we got any idea for best blessings for the new melee?

[faint beacon]

Dont play it

[craggy goblet]

o

that bad?

[faint beacon]

PS and Rashad are just better

[void dragon]

im actually enjoying the Falchion, am I sucumbing to the brainrot?

(funny enough, the rashad NOW feels good, compared to what was pre rework)

[hollow ibex]

yeah rashad is pretty insane

first game with it using WS vet

and yeah i've gone back to maining infil lol

[void dragon]

how do you play it? have only one infil build, basically grenadier that make use of the extra damage that works while on stealth to underhand frags, you have something else worth using?

[hollow ibex]

pretty much the same thing

except i'm abusing the bottom right even more than i ever could before

frags with stealth is actually pretty insane

esp since now skirmisher isn't shit to use

55% bonus damage to frags/DOTs

like bruh lol

was wondering why shit was dying so fast

[void dragon]

leaving a carpet trap of frags as the enemies pass you and then gunning them down feel soo good

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's pretty crazy

even if infil still got kinda screwed with cdr nerf

[ancient loom]

anyone got any fun builds that use the new sword? im a casual player who just likes to slam damnations so kinda just want to plug and play and can't find any anywhere yet

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/infil-fragger

could try this

just replace rashad with the sword

[tropic notch]

@faint beacon @tall torrent how is power falchion?

[wild vortex]

[tropic notch]

Oh

[gilded wraith]

Double barrel blessings?

[wild vortex]

I was hoping the new sword would be good

[tropic notch]

Flechette man stopper

[gilded wraith]

Thanks

[tropic notch]

Flak maniac

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

For the new falchion do flak unyielding, carinal wrath, dump mobility

[ancient loom]

ty goat

[tall torrent]

u turn the sword on to experience rashad for 15s
then it turns off

[faint beacon]

Alr im done for tonight

[tropic notch]

@faint beacon how is chainsword on vet?

Guh

He appeared

[faint beacon]

Again

rashad and PS exist

dont bother

[tropic notch]

[tall torrent]

tac axe 3rd best melee on vet cuz budget

[tropic notch]

I will power sword and like it

[tall torrent]

rashad quite good too

[tropic notch]

Yeah it was amazing when I tried it

[austere mica]

Tac axe stays winning (besides the fact it's also started losing)

[tall torrent]

methink they changed enemy stagger values

[tropic notch]

Did they buff it?

[tall torrent]

sorta
I'm 99% sure they nerfed crusher and bulwark's stagger reduction

they're easier to stagger rn than before

[tropic notch]

I’m not complaining

[austere mica]

Interesting

I haven't noticed too much because I've been playing the extremes of stagger

[rough adder]

What made you think that

[austere mica]

Crusher and knife

[tropic notch]

Because now you breath and they tip over

[tall torrent]

pre-patch rashad needed headtaker IV 5 stack + grievous wounds to stagger a shielded bulwark
rn u can do it by default

overhead to face

[rough adder]

Also that wasn't meant to be a challenge i was genuinely curious

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent how is chainsword on vet now?

[tall torrent]

I don't use melee weapons with bad carapace dps

[tropic notch]

[tall torrent]

usually

tac axe is not good at it but it's better on a budget

[tall torrent]

it's playable but I wouldn't rly take it over falchion most of the time

chainsword rn has super high finesse

[tropic notch]

Guh

[tall torrent]

hits quite well on crit weakspot hits

[tropic notch]

Yeah on zealot it’s a monster

[tall torrent]

and chainsword can stagger ragers now which is very good

but

carapace dmg is ass

it's not good vs armor

[tropic notch]

Are you sure?

[tall torrent]

rev atk still not good

[rough adder]

what's the main way of staggering a rager with chainsword other than push attack headshot right now?

[tropic notch]

Even with the new vet build?

[tall torrent]

heavy atk

[rough adder]

have to be headshot too?

[tall torrent]

rashad 4 tap crusher

[tall torrent]

not sure lemme check

[tropic notch]

Now what about havoc

[tall torrent]

6

[tropic notch]

Thats not bad actually

[tropic notch]

Will you be helping the zealot build? Or sticking with updating the steam guide?

[tall torrent]

given that it can stagger crusher out of their overhead if they don't have modifiers, yea

[half glade]

wait.. why does Graia brauto now have the same clip size as Vraks? It was larger before, right? To compliment its generally larger total ammo and lower "caliber"

[tall torrent]

I have 2 zealot builds rn

vet i hab 5

[tropic notch]

Share them

[tall torrent]

mercy + flesh meme knife

[tall torrent]

relic blade brawler (subject to change)

[tropic notch]

Get twbs son

Looks like my relic build lol

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s needed if u take the node above martyr

Cuz TWBS was usually take for heavy atk weapons anyway

[tropic notch]

That’s true

[tall torrent]

And with that new talent u can sprint + heavy and burn stamina quite well which also synergizes with desperation

[tropic notch]

I still like it for not being cc’ed

[tall torrent]

Also new IJ legit so op

It’s way better than martyr lmao

[tropic notch]

It’s so ridiculous

Does it still work like the old one?

Like buffing dodges

[tall torrent]

Yea

It’s actually so insane

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/you-take-that-back-take-that-back-ross-geller-rachel-friends-gif-5982073129383985507

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+20%Tdmg
+20%Tatk speed
+10% dodge distance
+10% dodge speed
Lasts 10s
Every dodged attack gives 3 stacks banked so if u dodge 3 swings from 1 dodge that’s 9 stacks
And you get 8% of max TGH per second the entire time

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s not even remotely close

[hollow ibex]

what's your average stacks during combat tho

[tall torrent]

10-20% depending on if things are targeting me for me to dodge

But the thing is

If I take the remove move speed penalty during heavy atk talent

I can actually run around like a crackhead

And that talent has good pathing too

+10% atk speed for 5s after push atk hit

[void dragon]

what is the prospect for those 2 free nodes? im trying to make some Zealot builds

[tall torrent]

Haven’t decided
I originally ran this with left side’s crit stuff with bleed

[void dragon]

what about shield of contempt? is it good?

[austere mica]

No

[tall torrent]

The combined cooldown kills it for me

[austere mica]

It still works how it used to

So it's just super fucky barkskin

If they made it only you it would be a bit more useful cause then it's just barkskin

[void dragon]

feel that it should have a separated CD, one for you, one for the team, both half the value, but you could potentially use both with priority if they are available

[atomic void]

yoinking this

[tall torrent]

I'd say

build for crit if u can

cuz relic does benefit from crits a lot esp for carapace and unyielding

Last 2 points prob scourge

[tropic notch]

Yeah I like to burst down elites with fury so taking them both is a must

[atomic void]

ive only ran rb with marty so far on new zealot
on older tree iran piety

[tropic notch]

Relic ij is silly

I wonder how knife ij looks

[void dragon]

is Evis with Ij or with Marty?

also what ranged weapon both RB and Evi want?

[hybrid plover]

i've ran crusher with new zealot

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IJ: https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14038428201081533956/0A0161096708D4744F0A7062A41BBD6B7D8B8F0A/

[hybrid plover]

and relic blade

absolute peak gameplay tbh

[atomic void]

good lord

its ij time

will not now, tomorrow

but its IJ time

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IJ mogs martyr so hard lol

like

martyr can hit for 30% more dmg than IJ and a bit more atk speed (it's 10% at most)

but if u don't take the 2 nodes above it then it's super squishy

[atomic void]

ive been really enjoying marty purely for the goofy speed but IJ just looks giga juiced

[tall torrent]

whereas IJ can put those 2 points elsewhere for better dmg

or better utility

[atomic void]

im trying to come up with a build that uses many of the new weird talents

but i end up just speccing tdr and dmg

zealot brainrot is real

[tall torrent]

a lot of the new talents are good

[atomic void]

what do u think about the one that refreshes dodges on a perfect block

[tall torrent]

it's cool but

I play IJ with relic blade so I don't find the need for it

these are my favs of the new zealot talents

[atomic void]

unfaltering is actually unreal fun

never stop sprinting babyyyy

[tall torrent]

unfaltering is best for crusher, TH, relic and chain-weapons

[atomic void]

yep pretty much every heavy attack weapon

its very potent and fits the crackhead energy shit lmao

[narrow widget]

against the odds lowk seems pretty great as well

+50% cleave

[tall torrent]

it also helps desperation

since doing the sprint + heavy will run ur stamina out fast

sustained assault + desperation + riposte casually giving u up to 60% more dmg 💀

add IJ in and that's 100%

[atomic void]

i need to add desperation on my builds then

i only every used it in the older tree with crusher

cause funny pa spam

[tall torrent]

punishment is quite situational

new desperation is basically AoN lite

[atomic void]

punish impeity seems liek a no brainer and i somehow overlooked it

like i didnt even see it in the tree

very cool

[void dragon]

i have successfuly yoinked those,thanks for sharing mate (would still want a Martyrdom build, but would have to figure where its the best to use)

is zealot still capable of being a Chorus diva?

[idle carbon]

anyone try a weapon specialist build with the power falchion yet? I expect the constant power on/off gets annoying

[tall torrent]

don't like it still

[void dragon]

just trying to figure a support approach for the class

[atomic void]

u can still use book but u wont be spamming it every 2 seconds

[tall torrent]

@atomic void @void dragon also for relic I run cranial + rampage rn

cuz of AtO

and my conclusion was

[atomic void]

no wrath in havoc? huge

[tall torrent]

if it's not gonna cleave carapace

might as well just make it kill the stuff it can cleave faster

cuz it's not like that cleave stack will matter that much vs enemies u can't cleave through

[atomic void]

carnial + rampage is always my setup unless im doing havoc so this is nice

[tall torrent]

and krak top tier on vet now

at least equal tier as frag tbh

[void dragon]

smoke has been a life saver against the plasma gunner menace, shuting gunners down was always good but vs them is really important to force them on melee

finally feels that the blitzes are in harmony-ish

[gaunt hinge]

them crushers got tonkier so the kraks kill em gooder

[tropic halo]

Folks, I think stance is more better than VoC now to me

[hollow ibex]

based

[tropic halo]

One shot reapers with hellebore stance is so peak