veteran-class

[slow spade]

they nerfed literally 6 of my builds personally

I'll never forgive Owlcat

[tall torrent]

mk6 has better mixed horde and better single target so

[hollow ibex]

Ok. Not a fan of the smaller mag

[jolly quail]

imo its still too many passives stacking on top of each other for infinite damage. By mid act 2 if you have good builds you will basically one turn almost every encounter in the game

even on hardest difficulty

[tall torrent]

if melee then there're a lot more

[trim badger]

Better single target?

[tall torrent]

yea

[jolly quail]

hope they find a middle ground for dark heresy

[tall torrent]

~10% higher single target dps

[trim badger]

But mk3 can permaloop overheads and be even faster with using special?

[slow spade]

yeah. To be fair, you need to because enemies will have like 180% dodge and if you don't have some bullshit you're in for a rough time

[jolly quail]

maybe less than 55 levels would be good for starters lol

[trim badger]

Am I getting something wrong here?

How is mk6 faster

[tall torrent]

mk3 highest single target dps is push atk spam

[jolly quail]

yeah its just that everything is so overtuned

[tall torrent]

mk6 highest single target dps is also push atk spam

and mk6's push atk spam is higher dps than mk3's

[willow prairie]

mk6 have better everything

[trim badger]

Uninstalling darktide game is ass

[slow spade]

indeed, I like to think of it as a live-service where they cycle between what bullshit build is the flavor of the patch

[jolly quail]

lol

[tall torrent]

mk3 only purpose is H2 + L3 chain which is its second highest single target dps
what, u thought the punch was useful? lol

[slow spade]

pre-DLC it was Invincible Cassia

Post-DLC, it's melee fire psykers

thank you Owl Cat for making me learn the newest bullshit of the month

[trim badger]

Yesss I used to just do that to twins and caps and they'd get ficked

[tall torrent]

unfortunately the punch loop not as good as H2 + L3

[willow prairie]

man im not used to the menu not dropping my fps to the 30s

[tall torrent]

cuz punch's dmg is not as good as L3 lol

[jolly quail]

oh well its still a good game, probably the one where you get the deepest into the actual 40k universe which is cool

[willow prairie]

unironically miss the lag spike

[slow spade]

god yeah, it's so fun how deep they get into the lore.

My other 40k friend asked me "why do you know this" while we were in Act 3

[jolly quail]

yea that tzeentch cult planet in the arbitrator dlc was so cool to see

[tall torrent]

abelard with a drill:

[slow spade]

"oh it's a Wrack"

"oh man Ravager"

"oh that's a scourge"

[slow spade]

the drills are the funniest new bullshit build

Sol-pattern Longlas? Na fucking MINING SAW

Eversor assassins wish they could do as much damage as a mining saw

[mortal aspen]

on release everyone was broken and invincible

classic Owlcat

[jolly quail]

for me it was simply buffed up argenta killing everybody with heavy bolters and flamers/meltas running around the map

[slow spade]

"Cassia can no longer target herself for her buffs" that was my personal 9/11 for my builds

[slow spade]

flamer funny c:

[jolly quail]

i really loved the overpiercing mechanic, havent seen much of that in other crpgs/trpgs

[slow spade]

"if the target cannot dodge, forced half damage" basically 100% accuracy with a flamer lol

[solar valve]

wat

[jolly quail]

being able to actually shoot volleys of bolter fire through enemies and line them up for multikills was super satisfying

[solar valve]

someone was not around for WOTR release unfair

😂

[mortal aspen]

unfair in wotr is unfair to you
unfair in rt is unfair to enemies

[slow spade]

yeah OwlCat funny

[mortal aspen]

[jolly quail]

wondering if i should give wotr a try

[slow spade]

honestly wotr was just pain

Rogue Trader was too easy

[jolly quail]

i just prefer turn based grid combat to rtwp

but maybe id like it

[slow spade]

surely Dark Heresy will combine for the most perfect, well-balanced experience you can ask for UwU

[jolly quail]

well i have hopes for it the premise looks cool

i like the companions theyve revealed too

[slow spade]

indeed, I'm curious how the Kroot companion will work

I hope the Kroot companion can eat people for max hp c:

[jolly quail]

yeah he will probably have some perks referencing kroot abilities in his origin talents or whatever they call it in the new game

[meager echo]

vet is new arbi now haha, w and win

[paper salmon]

What blessings for combat knife?

[jolly quail]

i hope we get a new space marine companion too

[slow spade]

brb spending 50 minutes every encounter to see if I can get the kroot to eat everyone to death

[jolly quail]

night lords will be in the game so maybe one from a chapter that really hates night lords

[slow spade]

Ulfar has the Crux Terminatus yet cannot get Terminator armor

Owlcat hates space marines

[jolly quail]

yea it feels like ulfar was added late

[mortal aspen]

unfathomably based

[jolly quail]

and not fully completed

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

[slow spade]

honestly true

[jolly quail]

come on

[orchid hemlock]

Oh wow it's worse than before 💀

[slow spade]

Ulfar used to be the weakest char in Rogue Trader funnily enough

[jolly quail]

u can hate on our poster boys

cant

i loved ulfar

[mortal aspen]

still invincible and killed everything in 1 turn

[jolly quail]

he was based

[slow spade]

it is funny to make the space marine literally strength-wise weaker than Abelard

[mortal aspen]

on unfair cranked to max

[slow spade]

Abelard is THE guy

[jolly quail]

yea its all a matter of semantics when its either kill everything in one turn or kill everything but with more damage in 1 turn

[slow spade]

to be honest, it sucked using Ulfar because everyone had like 200% dodge and Ulfar did not like that

had to respec him for flamers just to hit something

[mortal aspen]

200% dodge is just eldar

[slow spade]

he was good after that though c:

[jolly quail]

i was using arch militant melee/ranged ulfar for the theme and it worked just fine

bolt pistol and his melee weapons as i got them

[slow spade]

and the chaos space marines and the destroyers and the daemons :c

[hallow cove]

bro i just got kicked from a lobby for having infiltrate talented

[midnight wyvern]

real talk, they let us turn off battle for tertium in QP settings, let me turn off the events

every QP match is just the fucking event

[hallow cove]

not in havoc

in fucking auric

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/punch-punching-laptop-rage-smashing-screen-gif-17930159

[jolly quail]

yea u cant qp right now lol

[mortal aspen]

marines had armor, not dodge iirc

[slow spade]

one of the act 4 flamers is 60-80 base damage. You can imagine his damage once all the funny modifiers kicked in

[jolly quail]

yea i did have his pyre as a secondary

was insane indeed

but everything is just overkill by that point

[slow spade]

they have both in Rogue Trader due to Unfair giving them +80% dodge on top of their high stats

[hallow cove]

insane that people that probably will fail in the first 45 seconds kicked someone for playing off meta ability

[mortal aspen]

well I don't remember Ulfar having issues hitting stuff

[hallow cove]

in auric

[mortal aspen]

and tbh, I was basically unkillable turn 1 anyway

[atomic void]

did they actually mention a reason why u got kicked

[hollow ibex]

You can turn off campaign at least

[slow spade]

to be fair, I still physically groan when I see a Zealot with Knife + Shroudfield

[mortal aspen]

I had a team that stacked armor on everyone turn1

[slow spade]

you just KNOW what he's about to do

[midnight wyvern]

polish upon a turd

[slow spade]

funny times :c I probably just needed to Agility stack on Ulfar but I stacked Perception instead

rip me

[hollow ibex]

Yah i just don’t QP anymore

[midnight wyvern]

in OCE its pretty much the only way to get into a game with people

and even then its slow

[slow spade]

quickplaying is the fastest way to queue into a True Solo game these days with how fast people alt+f4

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I always pick new missions

[balmy flume]

Is it just me
Or is the new Boltgun mark actually decent despite the drop in raw damage?

[hollow ibex]

So replacements can come in

[slow spade]

Shattering Impact + Pinning Fire is a surprisingly good combo

[jolly quail]

yea for a coop game the playerbase isnt very nice on darktide lol

[slow spade]

I've been having fun with it

[jolly quail]

ppl quit out so fast

[slow spade]

but holy shit snipers are such a bitch with the new bolter due to lack of piercing

[void dragon]

feels like a cc weapon that has some sniper capacity, so it can perform well like a sniper-ish Flamer

[jolly quail]

so many times ive had ppl quit out at the first down

[slow spade]

I don't get why people alt+f4 on the first down

[hybrid plover]

Mk3, lacerate or flesh tearer + uncanny

Mk6, precognition, riposte or executor + uncanny

Those are the typicals, but if you run serrated, mercy killer is a good option for both

[slow spade]

like they're shit at the game. No shot they actually play the game without going down

[hollow ibex]

I do that if I die and the team gave no shits about rezzing me

[jolly quail]

like compared to drg or even helldivers randoms are worse in darktide imo

[hollow ibex]

Or if they fail the easiest fucking rez of their lives

[slow spade]

if I can't carry them with my VoC spamming ass, no way anyone else in Quickplay can carry them

[hollow ibex]

I’m just not dealing with that

[void dragon]

because the concept of acepting the death and reflecting on what you did wrong to improve at the videogame is heretical

[slow spade]

it does feel like that. I've had games where we could have won if they simply saved me from a trapper net or something

[jolly quail]

yea it feels like so many randoms have the "not my problem" mentality lol

when just sticking together is like half the battle anyways

[slow spade]

honestly I genuinely wonder if they even know what to do at the end section of maps if they alt+f4 all the time

[void dragon]

unloyal the lots of em

[slow spade]

one time, someone aggro'd a daemonhost and instantly left

[void dragon]

they will never reach that because they aready died 5 times before the mid event

[slow spade]

so it re-targeted and killed me lol

naturally we all lost after that too

[hollow ibex]

Hate people like that

[slow spade]

yeah it's the most troll thing you can do

blowing people off the map with barrels? na drag a daemonhost around the team and Alt +f4 once you're downed

everyone is now like half corrupted and down a player c:

[jolly quail]

the most frequent cases of annoying randoms i get are guys for who it seems like the sole objective is opening every single crate around the map

they will fuck off on their own the moment the game starts and never help

just run around opening crates

dont understand

[toxic reef]

I've not have someone do it maliciously idt, but if they weren't so scared on losing ASS progress or something they could've just taken the death and let the rest of us go on

[slow spade]

Sometimes they're a low level player so they still need mats

I get it

[jolly quail]

i still need hella mats but still

[toxic reef]

you get few trolls or just generally hostile people once you move to auric

[jolly quail]

u get webbed by a trapper and ur teammate is like a 5 second sprint away from you opening crates

yeah i mostly play damnation rn

[slow spade]

yeah it's pain but sadly a consequence of people not looting maps anymore

[jolly quail]

i should move on to auric

i should be ready

[toxic reef]

ppl are almost always thanking and just being nice and saying gg and stuff

[slow spade]

like you can get roughly 1000 plasteel and 300 diamantine in a damnation match but you'll never see that

so the new players got to do it themselves :c

[void dragon]

Im sorry, but if EVERYONE is gonna refuse to find the medipac you all need and i must be the loot goblin to search it alone, SO BE IT! specially when you all refuse to shoot gun and nades when there is so much ammo here!
-sincerely a loyal gobo with lots of ammo i take from the ones that dont like bullets

[toxic reef]

I grab everything on auric, but might not go out of my way to search everything

[jolly quail]

i mean same

i dont feel like i dont loot enough

[toxic reef]

but ye the rare green stims and shit can be worth it

[void dragon]

in Havoc you need to approach fights slowly, and you WILL need that ammo

[toxic reef]

havoc is a different beast ye

[slow spade]

na everyone needs to be Helbore vets in Havoc so you can just shoot everything to death UwU

[toxic reef]

I mostly psyker or ogryn with no/little ammo consumption there tho

[void dragon]

and yet, dumb ones just keep rus- NO! STOP! THAT IS Aaaaand there is the DH, he died...

[fresh mango]

how do yall build your chainaxe btw? dump mobility right?

[jolly quail]

yea i guess in havoc you just have to play as a team but in damnation where everyone can still sorta do their thing and progress it leads to a lot of annoying behaviour

[tame lodge]

Or defences

[void dragon]

dump defense, mobility is better

[jolly quail]

which is kinda why i still dont play auric tbh

[slow spade]

yeah I would dump Defense persnally

Chainaxe needs the mobility due to its funny quirk

[toxic reef]

you can do that in auric too

[meager echo]

lol

[toxic reef]

just don't stray too much

[jolly quail]

bc damnation feels easy when everyone is pulling their weight but sometimes its so damn hard when people are being r*tarded

[jolly quail]

good to know then

[fresh mango]

what quirk?

[meager echo]

bro name is watermelonloverpro haha

[sudden cedar]

@jolly quail It might sound weird at first, but Auric is easier than Damnation.

[slow spade]

slight animation stuck when you cleave people like with the special

[formal hamlet]

So is duelling sword nerfed now? How bad is it?

[jolly quail]

bc u get matched up with a bit more willing to cooperate teammates?

[slow spade]

usually I get out of stuff via dodging

[toxic reef]

some say it was buffed

[slow spade]

so I like the mobility on chainaxe

[atomic void]

buffed

[midnight wyvern]

probably actually better than before

lol

[atomic void]

unironically

[sudden cedar]

@jolly quail No. But in general, teammates are just more skilled.

[toxic reef]

I haven't tried it yet

[midnight wyvern]

also I love the parry

[atomic void]

the parry is deadly and u can juice it with dmg

[formal hamlet]

Da fuq?

[atomic void]

and stagger is broken now so u stagger everything

enjoy it while it lasts

[toxic reef]

it staggers on everything now

[slow spade]

the dueling sword change is funny

[toxic reef]

but that might be bug

[slow spade]

I think it's a bug

[atomic void]

its confirmed to be an error by a playtester

[slow spade]

like have you seen plasma guns? They randomly lost like 20 rounds in a mag

[toxic reef]

that is def a bug

[slow spade]

seems the new update wasn't too "clean"

[hollow ibex]

Bunch of gun mag sizes got fucked

[sudden cedar]

That is not a big surprise.

[slow spade]

yeah...

[sudden cedar]

If there wouldn't have been any bugs, i'd be shocked.

[formal hamlet]

I didn't even notice the plasma guns, takes a while before I need to reload either way.

[jolly quail]

when u say parry for dueling sword u mean like perfect blocking ?

[atomic void]

idk why randomly nerfed bolter ammo lol

[slow spade]

I've been sticking to Bolters and stuff as they're immune to the new ammo bug

[slow spade]

overperforming due to people bursting down bosses

[atomic void]

no u have an actual parry as special action
its the parry from devil's claw

it KILLS things

[midnight wyvern]

weapon special is a parry

like, 1 tapping a rager killing things

[jolly quail]

wait they changed the special ???

[midnight wyvern]

its really satisfying

no

[jolly quail]

i didnt see that in the patch notes

[midnight wyvern]

we're baiting you

??

[atomic void]

removing 10 bullets wont do anything since u ideally save bolter to magdump a boss or sniper something far away

[midnight wyvern]

couldn't be me

[slow spade]

yeah but that's just the description they gave under the nerf

[candid agate]

what do you guys think of the markman's focus changes

[atomic void]

then they have no idea what they're doing

[jolly quail]

didnt it use to be like a quick stab ?

[midnight wyvern]

eeeeeeee

[sudden cedar]

Classic Gloriana.

[midnight wyvern]

no

[slow spade]

very funny and melee weakspots stop decay

[willow prairie]

the funny thing is

[tame lodge]

Ok
Needs more

[slow spade]

so you can melee and keep stacks

[midnight wyvern]

fantastic

[jolly quail]

ure gaslighting me

[elfin orchid]

i heard they nerfed gold toughness?

[willow prairie]

we wouldve survive if it only the first barrel

[sudden cedar]

@jolly quail Yes, it used to be a stab. Now it is a parry like the Devil's Claw.

[slow spade]

plasma gunners ignore gold toughness

[jolly quail]

thats crazy

[slow spade]

but otherwise, no other change

[elfin orchid]

makes it a functional keystone

[elfin orchid]

oh so its still a safety button for bursters and snipers

great

[slow spade]

yeah just don't try that shit if you see a plasma gunner

[fresh mango]

whats the big difference in chainaxe mks?

[hollow ibex]

Sooo much nicer

[tame lodge]

Moveset

[elfin orchid]

marksman was very very clunky for not much good reason before

[tame lodge]

Mk4 lights bite

Mk12 heavies bite

[elfin orchid]

now its basically DD lite

[hollow ibex]

Sad but true

[rough adder]

I still find it so funny the new enemy is essentially just an unmodified shotgunner on release with a carapace helmet

And it's great

[elfin orchid]

i much prefer marksman because the dd minigame is just annoying to me tbh

[slow spade]

yeah but now they spawn in packs of like 10 :c

rip our psyker

[desert viper]

I was expecting scab gunners to be more like gunners in terms of spawn. but they're quite literally like shotgun packs

[elfin orchid]

112% increased finesse damage for your guns is pretty nutty

[rough adder]

Yeah so did the shotgunners

[desert viper]

strange to get used to enemies that can take down gold toughness

[slow spade]

my friend swapped to shield ult for this event

[elfin orchid]

they seem much tankier than shotgunners

arent their hats cara

[void dragon]

my one complain is that they dont give much sound cue, so its hard to figure when they are already sapwned

[tame lodge]

Yeah

It's basically ranged mauler

[elfin orchid]

yeah

theyre kinda scary

[rough adder]

Yes. And the fact that their charge sound is really hard to make out, and there's no specific voice line when tagging them

[toxic reef]

EE and get good is what I did

[slow spade]

funny shield though

[elfin orchid]

if it was just one or two in a pack theyd just be a neat addition but as soon as you get shot at by one you noticed another 5 aimed at you about to fire lmao

[toxic reef]

I did have SG with recon lasgun as well so it wasn't too hard to dodge

[balmy flume]

Oh and then they spawn with snipers!

[jolly quail]

dodging their shots is weird though sometimes

[balmy flume]

Heretic disco lol

[fresh mango]

good, make the game harder

[jolly quail]

pls no

[fresh mango]

plas gunners should have a better audio cue though

[jolly quail]

the audio cue is your toughness breaking

[hollow ibex]

Just another terribly designed enemy from fatshart

[slow spade]

for me, it was when they spawned behind us

and just mag dumped us

yeah that was a team wipe lmao

[desert viper]

5 plasma gunners locked on at a distance has 2 outcomes

team wipe

or uhh

I guess you can muscle through it

[candid agate]

the moebian 6th actually using tactics?

[desert viper]

if you got damage?

[slow spade]

no, Tzeentch teleported them behind us as punishment for having fun

[jolly quail]

just shoot before they do

[void dragon]

is not even that bad, but the jankiness of the implementation makes me want to justify Spidey sense mod

which is not how it should be

[hollow ibex]

It’s bad. The audio cue is busted, there’s no indication that they spawned, they blend in with shotgunners while being way stronger

[slow spade]

I don't even know what their audio cue is

[gaunt hinge]

i dont think ive heard them speak yet

[slow spade]

is it just their plasma gun charging up?

[void dragon]

yould expect them to be WAY more bombastic so you know sh!t is about to hit the fan

[hollow ibex]

They’re basically a specialist that spawns in packs like lesser elites but are way more dangerous, and without the cues specialists have

[rough adder]

That too. The flash before firing is too dark and it inherited captain's plasma guns weird quirk where you can never be totally sure what is the right dodge timing

[distant estuary]

Still haven’t seen one but them seem kinda annoying

[hollow ibex]

While being tanky

[rough adder]

Try the new modifier you can get familiar with them real quick

[hollow ibex]

Yeah you have to dodge about halfway through the charge

Good luck doing that if there’s more than one

[slow spade]

ah rip lol

[hollow ibex]

And the toughness damage and debuff they do is just annoying as fuck

Pubbies drop like flies

Because nobody notices them spawning

[slow spade]

the REAL kicker is the debuff doesn't have to hit you

[distant estuary]

Thanks, seems fun but still haven’t had time to check everything out

[slow spade]

it's an AOE lmao

[fresh mango]

this alright for a recon?

[distant estuary]

Ate the new weapons out?

[gaunt hinge]

ye

[slow spade]

my friend has the shield on psyker and he got hit with the debuff through the shield

[hollow ibex]

Dump is collat but this works too

[rough adder]

You guys talk like you never fought scab shooter horde / scab stalker shotgunner mix pre-patch 13

[hollow ibex]

Outplayed

[slow spade]

you think we play this game?

na we're waiting for VT3

UwU

[balmy flume]

Power falchion - better or worse than P sword?

[fresh mango]

ive got money to burn

[rough adder]

I know scab plasma gunner is unfinished but i think they are meant make a big shift in the the whole dynamic of this game

[distant estuary]

Are any of the new weapons good?

[hollow ibex]

Mid

[slow spade]

WAY worse damage but much better mobility

[hollow ibex]

Yeah def fatshart trying to nerf toughness and gold toughness lol

[distant estuary]

Yeah already thought that

[fresh mango]

Bolters are fun, faclhion is nice

[slow spade]

the new bolter is neat but nothing game changing.

Boltpistol and Falchion are shit

[hollow ibex]

Sloppy job though

[distant estuary]

Def gonna try it out

[hollow ibex]

Falchions fine on a melee build

[slow spade]

if you do try the Falchion, use a Weapon Specialist build

the heavy attacks are so slow

[hollow ibex]

Feels cool but damage is pretty sad as a ranged build sidearm

[slow spade]

yeah the new bolt pistol is big sad

the new bolter is funny with Shattering due to AOE debuff

[balmy flume]

Yea somehow I like the new Boltgun mark. Feels more stable, even if less damage overall

[jolly quail]

glad im not crazy

the timing is iffy

[hollow ibex]

It does fire slower

[balmy flume]

Yea, but oddly part of the charm of it for me

[jolly quail]

the control u get while firing at specialists and elites is very nice

[balmy flume]

Previous mark rapid fire feels like…half a waste, even into a horde (when situation calls)

[turbid ibex]

How are the chords now

[balmy flume]

Also the bleed actually DOES something noticeable lol

[serene bough]

Do plasma gunners punch through psyker bubble shield

[tame lodge]

Should still stop

But real question

Mod that turns plasma gunner SFX into creeper SFX when

🗣️

[turbid ibex]

Would fit the bursters more

[serene bough]

I can already the discordant screech of several hissing sounds as 5 plasma gunners follow up their charge with eardrum rupturing explosions

[fresh mango]

plasma gunners should explode

[gritty mural]

plasma gunners are a bitch to remove if you aim for the head, aiming at their legs is a easy way to kill a group of them

[rough adder]

Monkey paw curls, and they intentionally overcharge and explode if you are in melee range

[tame lodge]

Thematically yes
But bursters aren't scary

🛌

[tame lodge]

Give it a couple years

FS made flamers explode

We just have to wait

[midnight wyvern]

real

if you stay in LoS long enough they keep spamming and then kill themselves

[jolly quail]

facts

[crimson wyvern]

btw shock maul now has commisary skins

[midnight wyvern]

proof?

[stone adder]

this good?

[hollow ibex]

Yup

[fresh mango]

this recon las gun stuff is prety fuckin good

shocked i never used it before

[hollow ibex]

Looks decent for a free skin

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s strong. Just braindead

[fresh mango]

chainaxe too

i remember when this thing sucked

now its really damm good

[versed mural]

What blessing are you guys running on the Power Falchion?

[formal hamlet]

What's dump stat on Helbore?

[hollow ibex]

Stability

[hollow ibex]

Wrath cranial

[versed mural]

Thank you

[formal hamlet]

Ah okay. Guess my current one is fine then. I recall some sayin the dump was something else and I was like "oh shit I levelled this for nothing".

[turbid ibex]

So how are the chords now

[hollow ibex]

Ok

Not going to be meta still lol

[turbid ibex]

Which one should i use

Of the two marks

And the combos

[midnight wyvern]

MkVI

[teal lance]

What do the new bolt gun and bolt pistol patterns do?

[sudden cedar]

Bigger boom

[midnight wyvern]

larger AoE and higher damage AoE and alot more stagger

but its not enough damage in the AoE to actually do anything important

[orchid hemlock]

One is garbage and they other isn't

[unreal nova]

Pointless unless you wanna play trauma staff but far worse.

[midnight wyvern]

the stagger is nice but I dont see why you would use your entire gun slot for that

when you have normal bolt gun right there

[unreal nova]

Even on my mobility dump bistol.

Just use the OG tbh.

[jolly quail]

damn parrying maulers and ragers with the dueling sword goes crazy

[soft solstice]

question, with the new bolt pistol, does the close range explosion blessing increase the base AOE of the explosion or is it just redundant because of that's version's innate AOE?

[midnight wyvern]

wouldn't you like to know

[vivid silo]

Was there something going on or can you now tank Poxbursters with enough toughness and damage reduction?

I could swear I ate a Burster or two in my last mission without taking hp damage (no golden)

Snipers were being tanked no problem at least

[crimson wyvern]

are all the new event missions on ventilation purge / power outage?

[sharp hamlet]

Is to promote the new plasma gunner death squads pal

[desert viper]

bigger aoe, breakpoints (seemingly) don't change unless you're running crit bistol

i personally favor it over the previous mark

[crimson wyvern]

Are they unable to populate areas that arn't dark or foggy?

[desert viper]

feels much more satisfying to fire and it staggers

[sharp hamlet]

Nope

[quick fossil]

I heard there is a rework. Is vet op or much better now ?

[midnight wyvern]

damaged at 6m (barely) and minor stagger at 5m with lethal prox
no damage at 6m no stagger at 5m without lethal prox

so yes, it does increase it

[sharp hamlet]

I wonder when the devs will add more rewards to the penance reward track.

[hollow ibex]

Better, but needs a second rework

[unreal nova]

Wrong. It misses some BP on certain builds. I fall short even with puncture on some.

[midnight wyvern]

vet is pretty op atm

lol

[desert viper]

puncture is not good on the new mark

[unreal nova]

For killing specials/elites, of course.

[hollow ibex]

When everyone is op, nobody is

[elfin orchid]

oh right theres a new bolt pistol mark yeah?

vet is quite nice rn

[midnight wyvern]

copium

[fair river]

Is survivalist better now?

[midnight wyvern]

Vet is a standout anyway lol

[midnight wyvern]

unchanged

[fair river]

Oof

[unreal nova]

No change, still the best in most builds. XD

[elfin orchid]

unchanged but in a better position

[soft solstice]

part of me was maybe hoping that the big AOE would interact with stuff like arbite's version of weapon spec or ranged buffs but it seemingly doesn't. The raw amount of AOE it has is nice but I don't see much of a point in running the new bolt pstol then

[elfin orchid]

now its not even a question of maybe using an extra point or two somewhere else, its just free

[ancient path]

what version and blessings of the falcion have you smart people been using

[midnight wyvern]

power sword

[soft solstice]

stuff like making the AOE benefit from puncture would probably be too much but I feel like i'd much rather run a more dedicated anti elite/special or an actual anti horde weapon like a lawbringer or whatever auto gun has some cleave

[ancient path]

not liking the falcion?

[midnight wyvern]

doesn't matter how much you like it if other weapons are just better still, falchion needs investment to be as good as PS, PS with investment is 💀

[desert viper]

but that's not what they asked, is it

[midnight wyvern]

but falchion is okay, wrath/cranial and its just a no thoughts, brain empty swing at things and they die

[midnight wyvern]

feel free to pitch in

[ancient path]

it aint but.

[soft solstice]

not needing to keep chaining the recharge on the falcion is nice but so far the power sword feels easier to sortra brain dead swing into crowds with, have to invest more in it to try out blessings

[desert viper]

not much to add. I use wrath and cranial too.

[midnight wyvern]

exactly

[ancient path]

wrath and cranial it is

to battle i go

i just needed an opinon because i cant form my own and need discord

[midnight wyvern]

the 15% melee damage at the start of WS keystone side is nuts for any build lol

[hollow ibex]

I mean the fact is that only one part of the tree is juiced.

[desert viper]

could change wrath for the one that helps with your heat bar better

I don't find myself wanting cleave that badly

[midnight wyvern]

and nobody complained/complains about execution order

[hollow ibex]

And a lot of builds won’t be able to afford much from that part of the tree

[hollow ibex]

lol there was plenty of complaining, trust me

[elfin orchid]

compared to weap spec lead up, marksman gets dirt lol

[hollow ibex]

But people have just gotten used to everything being op

[midnight wyvern]

💀

having to explain what sarcasm is

I just won't

[soft solstice]

decapitator is pretty big as an option but you're also competing with brutal and supercharge

[elfin orchid]

tbh marksman tree perks are pretty good, weap spec tree is just absolutely loaded

[hollow ibex]

I know what it is. You just didn’t convey it.

[midnight wyvern]

whatever you need to tell yourself

[hollow ibex]

MMF pathing is not good

[soft solstice]

counter attack is also a cool option but 10% attack speed is only so much, and there's other stuff you could be running on it ro a normal power sword that doesn't require fishing for perfect blocks

[ancient path]

i like the ass pads on the new zealot outfit

just in case a heretic runs up and grabs your ass

[desert viper]

holy based

[soft solstice]

at least with arbite they have multiple skills to synergize with going for perfect blocks and more blessings too

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-star-trek-gif-19129737

[hollow ibex]

If you give one bad take, and follow up with another bad take, I’m just going to assume that the second bad take isn’t sarcasm.

Perfectly reasonable assumption

[ancient path]

and uhhh non vraks iags still suck, yeah?

well "suck"

[hollow ibex]

Nah they good

[elfin orchid]

agrippina is also good

[hollow ibex]

Not Vraks level

[ancient path]

neato

[midnight wyvern]

me saying vet is op is a bad take???

[elfin orchid]

its the middle ground one thats ass

[midnight wyvern]

holy brainrot

[hollow ibex]

Yep

[elfin orchid]

but compared to most weapons even the bad autogun is amazing

[ancient path]

yea its why i put quotes around it. theyre just middle of the road, i feel.

[desert viper]

lest they change some values it's sadly gonna stay that way

[ancient path]

but i always wonder why use it over recon las but recon las is kinda dumb

[hollow ibex]

Keep up with the times. You’re still comparing vet against previous balancing standards lol

[midnight wyvern]

download some more IQ lol

[elfin orchid]

vraks does way, WAY more damage than any recon las

[hollow ibex]

You prob genuinely think that works

[desert viper]

are all the class chats just filled with this type of talk, or is this a bad apple

[neat stratus]

Chat what should my opinion on Vet be

[ancient path]

ooh well i meant the agripinna, tbf

vraks is kinda dummy

[hollow ibex]

It gets spicey at times

[ancient path]

my bad

[elfin orchid]

ah

[ancient path]

shoulda seen #arbites-class at launch.

[hollow ibex]

I still don’t see much of a reason to use Colum IAG

Vraks is just nutty

[elfin orchid]

agrippina is heavy hitter one yeah

[hybrid plover]

Its strong. But every class is strong to an extent now.

[ancient path]

ya i love my agrippina

just how it feels

[hybrid plover]

In different ways.

[hollow ibex]

Tfw the new balance metric is havoc

[ancient path]

if youre a youtuber, put big red arrows on your thumbnail on VET REWORK OP!???? then say its the best class in the game for like three weeks

[hybrid plover]

Vet does still have pathing issues unfortunately but it's in a much better spot compared to the other classes than it used to be

[desert viper]

I stayed away from this server as a whole when arby came out. people have their noses high when it comes to this game. makes it hard to have conversations bout balance. then again, everyone wants to feel entitled I guess...

[elfin orchid]

vraks is just nutty yeah but i found the agrippina is only like marginally worse at single target

[ancient path]

then go ITS OVER down arrows and say the class sucks after that

[hybrid plover]

Tbf auric has gotten kinda spicy too

[ancient path]

completely fair

[hollow ibex]

zealot prob got the biggest glow up tbh

[hybrid plover]

Those plasma gunners are something else lol

[desert viper]

I've heard psykers got much needed survivability

[elfin orchid]

funny sprinting around with heavy spam perk

[hollow ibex]

Tfw the “glass cannon” is no longer glass and is still a cannon

[desert viper]

I've seen more of them actually participate in proper melee combat too, more than usual

[hollow ibex]

Peak fatshart

The balance in this game is a fucking meme

[hybrid plover]

Relic blade, 10% sprint, no slow down on heavy

[quiet valley]

Everyone is saying left tree is bad, MMF lets you shit out so much damage

Pushes so many weapons into 1 shot bps for Havoc

[hollow ibex]

I think everyone agrees MMF is good, just that the pathing is bad

[hybrid plover]

Honestly. It's not that bad because the general difficulty has actually gone up though.

Auric can get surprisingly dicey with the hp changes

[hollow ibex]

Hard to tell rn with all the shitters returning to the game

[desert viper]

I agree with this. they did not decrease elite spawns at all.

[hollow ibex]

Can’t tell if the game got harder

[quiet valley]

You can have 1000% inc melee dmg but that won’t let you beam the entire room from the comfort of the hallway entrance

[hollow ibex]

Or the players got worse

Maybe both

[hybrid plover]

And the fucking plasma gunners

Good God almighty those bastards make things stressful

[desert viper]

I've had multiple matches where I met 6+ crushers in a spawn, despite them being buffed to 6k hp

[hollow ibex]

Those guys are just stupid. I will die on the hill that I’d rather fatshart stop adding new enemies to the game

[quiet valley]

Plasma gunners kinda over tuned tbh

[tall torrent]

for 15s after turning it on u can experience the power of a rashad
then it turns off

[desert viper]

I would've rathered if they simply said " enemies are tankier now to compensate for you guys being stronger "

[hollow ibex]

Because they don’t know how to fucking do it right

Heretics op reeeee

[hybrid plover]

I think they just need a RoF adjusted and a hp change and I think they're fine

[desert viper]

I would appreciate some proper call outs and voice lines for them

[hollow ibex]

From a design perspective they’re just terrible

[hollow ibex]

Yeah exactly

[hybrid plover]

I think tox bombers are worse honestly.

[quiet valley]

Let’s have snipers spawn in packs of 10+ with no visual or audio cue

[faint beacon]

KILL ALL BLASPHEMERS

[quiet valley]

thanks

[hybrid plover]

Plasma gunners, I can see actually being a threat but not obnoxiously so with some tuning

[hollow ibex]

They have no audio cues, they’re as dangerous as specialists, they’re tank as fuck, they spawn in packs, they blend in with shotgunners

Anything else I missed?

[hybrid plover]

Tox bombers by design will just always be annoying

[quiet valley]

Embrace Smokes mfs

[hollow ibex]

Prob, but different sort of obnoxious

[quiet valley]

Good pathing too now so no excuses you non believers

[hollow ibex]

Even the visual design is ass

Who the fuck thought this was a good idea

[desert viper]

their presence is VERY lightly mentioned despite being a low HP health melter. they're also not loud ( aside from their guns ) and it's kinda frustrating being reminded that they exist by losing 3/4 of my health in the spawn of 5 seconds

[faint beacon]

Cheap to make good also lmao

[desert viper]

wish rejects had specific voicelines properly yelling "plasma!" so I could wake the fuck up from mindless slaughter

[quiet valley]

Takes 1 extra talent point to get unlimited smokes tbh

[scenic vapor]

Vet my beloved ❤️

[quiet valley]

In Havoc at least lol

[faint beacon]

Reminder they’ve started calling Maulers, Bruisers

An already existing enemy type

[fading yarrow]

I like the Plasma Gunners

[hollow ibex]

Wait what

[faint beacon]

Which is just an armored chaffe unit

[hollow ibex]

Bruh

[quiet valley]

The door is over there sir

[scenic vapor]

same thay are a bit bugged tho

[faint beacon]

Loose cannon, some of the Ogryns, and Istfg one psyker calls them Bruisers

[desert viper]

they have. and if it weren't for the constant grumbling and angry screaming of the maulers, i would have the same issue with them as I do with plasmas.

notably, loner psyker started calling them bruisers

why?

[faint beacon]

Idfk

Ogryns have

Loose cannon recently last update started too

[calm shard]

helbore gaming

[hollow ibex]

Yes I’m so bruised after a FUCKING CHAINAXE RIPPED THROUGH MY TORSO

[desert viper]

thats just stupid

[calm shard]

they're extremely rare outside of the event

is why

[fading yarrow]

I haven't heard this yet, just played with a Savant, Maul and two Professionals and they all said Mauler

[little path]

I just wish they had a longer windup before shooting. Like the snipers

[calm shard]

they're supposed to be a rare high power threat

but event spawns assloads of the fuckers

[hollow ibex]

Event blows so I hope you’re right

[faint beacon]

I play loose cannon so I hear it constantly

[calm shard]

I know I'm right because I have never seen more than 3 on HISTG aurics

They are VERY rare

[hollow ibex]

Ok that’s fine then

[faint beacon]

I’ve seen like at most in HISTG

Duos of them

[quiet valley]

Not in Havoc?

[faint beacon]

2 in a small group

[hollow ibex]

There are annoying to fight in the event and my teammates keep dropping like flies

[calm shard]

I haven't been playing havoc

[faint beacon]

Oh right

In havoc they can be in groups of 4-6

[quiet valley]

We had waves of 10-15 in Havoc

Actual nuts

[faint beacon]

Reminder 3 can stun lock you

[hollow ibex]

How do you feel about the new agri btw

[hollow ibex]

Just dodge based on the cues bro

[quiet valley]

They can replace the event shotgunner/gunner spawns

[candid agate]

they should definitely have sound cues tho so you know to be more careful

[quiet valley]

Smokeeesss

[faint beacon]

It’s fun but I’m using Column more cause it’s like the classic Agri

I still use Agri

[hollow ibex]

I haven’t tried colum yet

Vraks seems very insane

[quiet valley]

I actually don’t like the change to the agri X

It’s feels icky

[fading yarrow]

Unrelated

I'm quite fond of the new Boltgun mark, it feels like shooting in, well Boltgun (with Malum Caedo). Very chunky

[sharp hamlet]

I think they do, they’re just really quiet lmao. I’ve heard them saying something but it’s all muffled/hard to hear.

[faint beacon]

It feels off but I’m adjusting to it

[hollow ibex]

Tfw MMF just offsets the ranged damage falloff.

[faint beacon]

Column basically had a glow up

[hollow ibex]

Colum deserves it

Was in the dumps for so long

[candid agate]

so its like cushion feet crushers? perfect

[calm shard]

it's okay

[faint beacon]

1 burst dropping a majority of specials

[calm shard]

this is just with 15% rending from MMF btw lol

[faint beacon]

And gunners

[sharp hamlet]

Exactly 😄

[calm shard]

oh wait you mean

vigi

[hollow ibex]

Yeah looks aight

[candid agate]

oh speaking of crushers, arent they supposed to spawn way less? feels like theres 10x more groups of them in every game

[hollow ibex]

Instead of packs of 12 they’re in packs of 9

[faint beacon]

Mfw vet rework technically buffed the weaker IAGs

[neat stratus]

Classic fartshark doing the opposite of what they intended 🙏

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it definitely did

All the IAGs benefit massively

But esp Vraks

[candid agate]

https://tenor.com/view/james-sunderland-silent-hill-2-remake-james-sunderland-silent-hill-gif-14185771730396937340

[hollow ibex]

Which definitely needed help

[desert viper]

i like your character

[sharp hamlet]

Almost done with the plasma gunner grind, then I can know peace once again

[formal hamlet]

So uh, is Longshot good now?

[turbid ibex]

Yes

[calm shard]

yeah

[quiet valley]

It’s good pathing too

[calm shard]

skirmisher is too

it's a weird world

[quiet valley]

Skirmisher was always good

Now it’s just easy to use

[formal hamlet]

What did they change aboout skirmisher?

[desert viper]

pathing

[turbid ibex]

Procs on slides

[quiet valley]

Refresh stacks on sliding now

[formal hamlet]

Oh nice.

I slide quite a bit so that's just free extra damage I guess.

[quiet valley]

It’s not even distance I think it’s duration of slide to proc

You can slide in place basically to proc

[formal hamlet]

Gotta go down right side to get it though, I've mostly been speccing down into left and mid.

[turbid ibex]

Right side is gigastacked though

[formal hamlet]

All the sides got good stuff I want.

[rough adder]

Same

[rough adder]

Because we are killing them way slower. There're actually much less crushers now

[calm shard]

speaking of glowups how about those vigilant autoguns

[rough adder]

dear lord

[calm shard]

again just MMF rending

[quiet valley]

It’s less they got buffed and more that Vet got buffed tbh

[calm shard]

since it's easy to keep at high stacks now

honestly 3 burst vigi auto is probably really good at killing crushers

since you can just grab onslaught and it's not prohibitively expensive

[quiet valley]

Onslaught is pretty down there tbh

[calm shard]

yeah but it's surrounded by always good skills

switched opening salvo to deadly accurate on semi auto vigi

very fascinating

[quiet valley]

Needs more testing but HH and DA should get you crit chains, with MMF rending and rending strikes…

It’s kind of bad, they buffed Exec stance but, MMF gives so much dmg it’s overkill to take Exec

[tall torrent]

First stack 0.5s
Other 3 stacks 1s

[calm shard]

good lord

[turbid ibex]

What blessings and perks for chord

[tame lodge]

No such thing as overkill

Why are you pulling your punches against these heretical scum

Are you some sort of heretical sympathizer

[quiet valley]

I’m 1 shotting everything short of Crushers in Havoc rn, with the MkIII Helbore, not even the IV

[calm shard]

yeah you can kill a crusher in 3 bursts with the 3 shot burst vigi

HH+DA

[quiet valley]

Yeah

HH has a weird interaction with the 3 round burst I think

[tall torrent]

It’s intended

[formal hamlet]

What are these red dips on the graph for the Steam performance overlay?

[tall torrent]

Either framerate or frame time

I’m guessing framerate

Red dips are frame drops lol

[formal hamlet]

I have a 5080 which I heard was decent so I'm surprised it dips on medium.

[candid agate]

noted

[candid agate]

darktide is incredibly badly optimised

[ancient path]

am i a weirdo for liking to take covering fire because its kinda free

[ancient path]

modern gaming, boyos

[tall torrent]

The alternatives are better

[ancient path]

i like feeling like im supporting :(

and i like blasting heretics

[tall torrent]

If u don’t use frame gen ur basically not seeing triple digit fps in horde

[candid agate]

spend 100 million on a game, give it terrible gameplay, bad story, terrible bugs and optimisation
lose all money and dont even break even
god i cant wait for this phase of gaming to end

[ancient path]

i hate sounding like this kind of asshole but

yay AA/indie games lol

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/dOIjfnI

[ancient path]

kinda goes to the beat of disposal unit

[tall torrent]

Meme build

[ancient path]

though with my agrippina gun i kinda wanna get tactical reload and volley adept

might be overkill but i do be shootin

but i mostly mag dump so maybe tactical reload isnt the choice

[elfin orchid]

tactical reload just needs 1 in the mag, so just do like controlled magdumps

i do quite like tactical reload very comfy boost

[agile mango]

Does it ever make sense not to grab the damage boosts on the lower right part of vet’s tree?

Struggling with space for a helbore build

[calm shard]

meanie

[tall torrent]

I don’t think deadshot worth for vig auto lol

[calm shard]

probably

[elfin orchid]

did they do anything with helbore or is it still just shitty sniper that gets shat on by DMRs

[tame lodge]

It's

Top 1 vet ranged

So yeah

[little path]

It's arguably vet's strongest gun

[agile mango]

What perks/blessings/mark for helbore?

Dump stat?

[elfin orchid]

wait what what the fuck did they do to it

[tame lodge]

Uh

Maniacs buff

Some carapace finesse adjust

Recent changes to iron sights

[agile mango]

Do I dump stability or ammo on helbore?

[little path]

us either mk4 or 3a

bolter, helbore and plasma are in a trinity of "arguably strongest"

[agile mango]

which has beetter one shot pottential?

[little path]

mk4

[tame lodge]

Mk4

Hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game

So far

[formal hamlet]

I mainly play with everything maxed in this game but with framegen on. Normally don't use framegen but make an exception in this. But I noticed that graph was always dipping red today, so decided to try playing on high preset, then on medium, and I am at least usually staying well above 60fps but kinda shocking I need to go all the way down to medium for that and it's not even consistent.

Is famegen okay to use in this sorta game?

[agile mango]

sick. with helbore do we go exe stance or do we take VoC?

[tame lodge]

Both works

[deep bone]

So what’s the Verdict on Assault Chainsword after the buffs

It feels good so far

[tame lodge]

Exec is peak Helbore though

[formal hamlet]

I use exe stance for fun, I use VoC because I'm shit.

[agile mango]

What keystone is best?

[deep bone]

I have been using Exe Stance with the Mk.VII Infantry Las in Auric and honestly it’s not bad

It works for Elite and Special Killing

[tall torrent]

yea

@tame lodge evis XV with GW can break rager combo

with light swing

[ancient path]

it thoroughly surprises me that plasma scabs got in the game w/o any audio ques or visuals

i mean, not really

but it is funny

[tame lodge]

Yeah but like

L1 L2 L3 sticky property

[deep bone]

Plasma Scabs are cool

But please stop shooting only me

[formal hamlet]

The plasma scabs are interesting, though I was not expecting them to be armoured. I figured they'd be total glass canons.

[tall torrent]

can't break ongoing combo

[deep bone]

It makes my job so much harder

[tall torrent]

GW can break the combo to stagger

[deep bone]

Real

[tall torrent]

rager has super high stagger reduction when attacking

[ancient path]

id appreciate it if i wasnt just playing the game then instantly get deleted thru gold hp lol

[deep bone]

That’s how they feel when we run Plasma

Fatshark is giving us a taste of what the Traitors feel

[ancient path]

lmfao

[tame lodge]

Is this also multiple Ragers at once?

Because if it's 1

Just rev heavy lol

That's the Evis15 for ya

[deep bone]

The Plas Scabs are cool I hope they stay in the game just tweak them a lil

[calm shard]

uh yeah

they're new normal enemies

they're just rare outside of the event because they're very scary

[deep bone]

Oh then def tweak them

[tame lodge]

Can't wait for the plasma patrol

🗣️

[deep bone]

Mhmm

I fought them in Mortis Trials

There were about 10 of em

[slow spade]

honestly I just don't like that their debuff is AOE even if you dodge it

[deep bone]

They annihilated a poor ogryn

[tall torrent]

yea it's ass vs multiple ragers

[slow spade]

so I got shredded because I couldn't regen fast enough :c

fucking shooters

[deep bone]

Whenever I see em in a crowd I immediately toss a frag

Out of instinct

The longer there stunned the more time I have alive

[slow spade]

they don't get knocked down either :c

[deep bone]

Gives me an extra second to make peace with the God-Emperor before my body is absolutely annihilated by multiple plasma rounds

[slow spade]

I used the new bolter with 80% collat and they didn't care

[tame lodge]

[deep bone]

They are so strong

[slow spade]

just make it so the debuff only applies on direct hits and I'm good with them

[deep bone]

If Wolfer pulled these mfkers out at the start we wouldn’t have stood a chance

[slow spade]

I shouldn't be punished for dodging the shot :c

[deep bone]

Real

[cunning haven]

does anyone know if field improv is bugged? 3 times it wouldnt cleanse my corruption but it did for my allies. 1 time it didnt even heal anyone at all but probably cuz it was bugged on a staircase. grenades are getting replenished

[slow spade]

it doesn't help corruption past full wounds

[elder vessel]

How long has Dukane been trying to get into the strategium

[cunning haven]

oh... damn that is definitely why

[deep bone]

Imagine if it did

[cunning haven]

damn, that makes it a lot weaker than i thought

[deep bone]

Medic Veterans

[slow spade]

yeah it's so medkits + field improv don't turn into invincibility

[cunning haven]

i literally thought twas how it worked

[deep bone]

It still replenishes toughness which is amazing

[slow spade]

honestly I wish field improv increased the amount of hp a medkit has

[elder vessel]

Dukane: "Access to the Strategium?"
Morrow: "Access to the Strategium machine broke"
Dukane: "Unforgivable, may god have mercy upon your wretched soul"

[deep bone]

That would be dope

[slow spade]

a single ogryn with hp curios has more than a medkit can heal lol

[deep bone]

Chad Ogryn moment

[cunning haven]

i really needed the wounds cuz havoc is nuts right now with plasma gun spam and buffed crushers

[deep bone]

I ain’t touching havoc I got my armour

[slow spade]

yellow stim just for you c:

"+30% attack speed, +400% projectiles"

[deep bone]

Full 53rd Moebian Set

Gonna just run Auric for now

[cunning haven]

is field improv worth taking then over "get back in the fight"?

[deep bone]

Until I got a consistent team for havoc that is

[ancient path]

skirmisher is definitely a weird but fun perk

[slow spade]

well if a vet loses all their toughness they're usually dead

[ancient path]

fun and easy to keep up

but its kinda funny

[jaunty sphinx]

Everyone who brings field improv is my brother in arms

[deep bone]

🫡

[ancient path]

always me, brother!

i love supporting my friends!

[slow spade]

yeah a shame Skirmisher is competeing with so many good nodes :c

[jaunty sphinx]

I'm so glad it's so cheap now

[deep bone]

Field Improve is just free help

[slow spade]

Agile Engagement, +25 toughness, or Skirmisher

[cunning haven]

sometimes i get sniped off a revive. does stun immunity trigger on break or after?

[slow spade]

holy shit

[slow spade]

on break

so you get pushed

it's basically for when you get mag dumped by shooters

Field Improv is more reliable due to "oh shit grenade spam go"

which you will definitely see and use in Havoc

[ancient path]

i do be loving grenade spam

very happy its just now apart of vet lol

[deep bone]

Making Determined a part of Vets kit was an amazing buff

[slow spade]

yeah, Ogryn bomb users are eating good

[slow spade]

ilas are very happy c:

[deep bone]

Being Immune to Suppression makes the Infantry Las feel amazing

[slow spade]

autogun users too

[deep bone]

I am the biggest Advocate for Infantry LasGun

[cunning haven]

i guess its good for that... i really thought i was proper medic the whole time

[deep bone]

It is decent for Special Killing

[slow spade]

I mean both are good, it's just whatever you find

[deep bone]

Plus it is the stereotypical Guardsman Weapon

[slow spade]

medkits are generally not as useful in Havoc due to how easy chip damage turns into being downed lol

but that might be because I play Vet and do NOT like the funny Dying Light debuff

[cunning haven]

probably helps for when gas or burgle get you down to 1 hp?

[slow spade]

yeah up to a point, you're sadly still 1 wound :c

[cunning haven]

but doesnt Zealot already able to heal up to your wound without needing a medpack?

[deep bone]

It keeps you kicking for a lot longer tho

[deep bone]

Yea but slowly

[slow spade]

kind of?

[deep bone]

With the aura

Plus there are better auras for Zealot to run so your not always guaranteed they will use it

[cunning haven]

fair enough

[deep bone]

It would be cool if Field Improv visually changed the medkit and ammo box

[cunning haven]

im still having a ton of fun this update

[deep bone]

The game feels great this update

My melee registration feels good too

[honest quiver]

@ocean abyss

[deep bone]

Enemy attacks are no longer sniping me out of dodges

[cunning haven]

i got so lany damage buffs for my recon lasgun it feels like im tearing through everything

especially with bring it down + focus + unyielding damge on bosses is sweet

[deep bone]

When the Elysian Drop trooper set comes back to the store I need to grab it

[slow spade]

I've been using the new bolter + shattering impact

its apparently AOE debuffing

[cunning haven]

debuff?

[slow spade]

top one

[cunning haven]

bruh

does it stack with onslaught?

[slow spade]

big AOE + instant 5 stacks of Pinning Fire on a bolter

[deep bone]

Sounds insane

[slow spade]

yes but you're probably hitting the brittleness cap anyways

[cunning haven]

theres a brittleness cap?

i thought there was a cap from single source like if 2 players brought onslaught

[slow spade]

there's no more armor to pierce if you have 100% armor pen :p and almost every gun in the game has good Unyielding damage

[cunning haven]

oh u mean like that

[slow spade]

max stacks of Brittleness with Shattering is 40%

[cunning haven]

from all sources?

[slow spade]

sorry my bad

I meant 40% from Shattering Impact

40% brittleness should cover everyone

[cunning haven]

cuz onslaught is also 40%

[slow spade]

except maybe like Bleed builds? But even then you're getting heavy dimenishing returns as more and more attacks hit 100% armor pen

I'd personally stick with just Shattering Impact or Onslaught and not both

[cunning haven]

is funny having 100% armor pen with focus target telling everyone to "bring it down"

[slow spade]

indeed c: it's funny stacking brittleness then tossing a bunch of frags

just see the boss's hp visibly wither in real time

[hollow ibex]

I think the only exception to that rule might be penetrating flames at this point

The old exploit weakness was an exception

But that was changed

[cunning haven]

bruh, i wish my build could do that. i could take uncanny strike but i run power sword

[slow spade]

yeah it's just a funny interaction I was told about here

[cunning haven]

oh, alright...

[slow spade]

seems to work and honestly it's not much different performance wise from the old bolter

so I'll probably stick with the new bolter until the next weird rework comes around

[cunning haven]

is there a wiki for these mechanics? like its kinda hard sifting through youtube to try stay up to date

[slow spade]

no c:

I just ask questions and search stuff around the discord to find things out

like I hear the Psykinetic Aura no longer buffs teammates with cooldown rate

I don't even have a psyker

[cunning haven]

i like having bolters on my team is funny when fighting bosses

[hollow ibex]

The vet guide which will be finished any day now will be a very comprehensive source of general game info

[cunning haven]

where is this? on steam?

[slow spade]

yeah bolters do surprisingly good boss damage

[hollow ibex]

It will be on steam

Or it’s being created as a steam guide

[cunning haven]

awesome

[slow spade]

poor Hammer, I haven't seen him around

[turbid ibex]

And ive ran out of dockets again

[slow spade]

I wish i could donate dockets

I've been at the docket cap for a while now

[turbid ibex]

This fucking sucks

[cunning haven]

i wish we could play poker for our dockets

[turbid ibex]

I'll see if any of my characters have weapons i can scrap

[hollow ibex]

Time for your characters to cough up

[slow spade]

do Auric Rolling Steel runs

guranteed 10 minute run for 51k+ dockets

[hollow ibex]

If you’re really desperate you can go buy stuff from Milk and sell for dockets

[hollow ibex]

I thought it gives less 🤔

[slow spade]

it DID

then it suddenly doesn't anymore

idk why but Rolling Steel is the best way to farm dockets now

[hollow ibex]

Lmao. Wouldn’t be shocked if that was a bug

[turbid ibex]

Im trying to perfect my ogryn loadout so i can do high difficulty missions for them

[slow spade]

it's been around since the Campaign rework

[turbid ibex]

Also i dont have auric unlocked on him yet

[slow spade]

I mean just do rolling steels anyways

20 minute run rewards for only 10 minute time

that's still good dockets for 10 minutes max

[turbid ibex]

Diamantine is also another thing thats gonna be a problem

[slow spade]

oh yeah you're fucked there

300 diamantine max assuming your team even loots them

[hollow ibex]

Gotta just spam Damnation and speed run with a knife

And loot

[slow spade]

sadly the best way to get Diamantine is Havocs

just get a rank and fuck off to the Damnation mission grind

[hollow ibex]

Oh yah true

[slow spade]

considering you're probably only getting like 100-200 diamantine per mission on Damnation, the Havoc chest is probably like 20x missions at once

[midnight wyvern]

what is it like 28-32k for H40?

I forgor

its enough that I no longer ever need diamantine lol

[slow spade]

something like that. I recall I saw 19k at the end of Season 1

[midnight wyvern]

I have like 100k now

[slow spade]

but I never checked Havoc 40 after that

definitely not going for Havoc 40 with the new stim stuff going on