veteran-class

[grand perch]

and its the second time they buffed the numbers but didnt fix the core issue with it

[willow prairie]

I mean you can just kill a nearby poxwalker to get the bonus

[void dragon]

wait. Wrath? no energy leakage or heatsink? doesnt it cleave well enough?

[tall torrent]

For havoc no

[willow prairie]

but yeah 3s and distance requirement is ass

energy leakage also have bad uptime

[tall torrent]

Also best zealot CDR is not the crit one
It’s the weakspot/backstab one

[gilded wraith]

Which is crazy in of itself.

[hybrid plover]

It's really infiltrate getting the short end of the stick

[spark cipher]

You need at least 50 billion cleave for havoc

[tall torrent]

Infiltrate can use a big cooldown reduction

[sullen scarab]

What blessings/Perks do you run on Tac Axe VII? Flak/Unarmored BM/Headtaker? I didn't know it was a good weapon until I was skimming this chat lol

[tall torrent]

But also idk how infil is supposed to be diff from shroudfield now

Since shroudfield also has threat reduction

[hybrid plover]

Or a buff to the ability itself

[gilded wraith]

It's crazy that the same dev team that reworked Shroudfield also reworked Infiltrate this patch and saw no issues.

[tall torrent]

Idk what it’s supposed to be good at atm

[hybrid plover]

I don't think that's what happened. I highly doubt it's intended to stay this way. Zealot was definitely the primary focus this update.

Probably just didn't have the time to consider what to do about Infiltrate before being released.

[void dragon]

enabling covert operative? only way i make it work is being a frag grenadier and laying explosives that are boosted by the damage while stealth

[willow prairie]

infiltrate just need to ne replaced tbh

[turbid ibex]

ye the current iteration of vet feels like a provisory thing

[willow prairie]

it does not fit vet

[neon current]

ideal perks on new bolter? just go flakiac and krak carapace?

[void dragon]

infiltrate gives damage boost while stealthed

[gilded wraith]

I hope so, but I also know FS works slow. Could be a year before we see it "updated".

[willow prairie]

still like strongest class in the game lol

[spark cipher]

By what metric, I thought that was oggy or arbites?

[hybrid plover]

I don't even think that's apt either. Every class is just good in their own way now. And I think that's actually a good thing.

[gilded wraith]

Post rework, I'd give that to Psyker, but I always feel their slept on.

[willow prairie]

psyker have little change outside gunpsyker getting assail with pa

but their tree is mostly the same

[hybrid plover]

Not true actually.

Maybe not as significant of changes as the other two

[spark cipher]

Warp ghost is a huge change though

[hybrid plover]

But there are some key differences that are actually significant.

[willow prairie]

vet damage is just wilds now that even after rework he still have about same bp or better on most enemy

[gilded wraith]

I've never seen anything dump on a boss from range faster than a post patch gun psyker.

[tall torrent]

Nah
Top 5 class

[willow prairie]

shut up you deserve to be topped

😍

[turbid ibex]

i feel like infiltrate is supposed to be a tool for entering into close range of enemies safely

[gilded wraith]

You're gonna wear that line out Path 😉

[tall torrent]

Psyker is top 1 class
Everybody else is top 5 class

[trim badger]

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE THAT SAYS THIS

Like the moment I saw that I was like

[spark cipher]

"Objective clearer 9000"

[void dragon]

as it should be, i didnt sold my soul to the warp to be anything but the strongest!

[willow prairie]

literally everybody said that

[trim badger]

"wait weakspots???"

[trim badger]

Sorry all the Zealots I've seen trying to queue for havoc were using the crit one

For some reason

[gilded wraith]

Yeah, but Path has the t-shirt.

[void dragon]

old habits die hard

[turbid ibex]

the damage bonus being built in did help but it could use some further adjustments

[tall torrent]

Not even that cuz shroudfield lasts 8s now and has 5s low threat which is more than enough for any obj

[elder vessel]

Power Falchion blessing

Heat grants block cost reduction and blocking attacks reduces heat

[willow prairie]

it is still kind of a point tax tbf if you're running piety

fotf

[trim badger]

5% movement speed good anyways

[trim badger]

Nah I'm running book cuz havoc

[gilded wraith]

They gained 30% damage, but easily lost 30% uptime with the Tactical Awareness change.

[tall torrent]

Vet got more damage than before

[willow prairie]

I'm running fotf martydom in havoc nowaday

[trim badger]

I was already dealing insane dmg with vet and now it's even more

[tall torrent]

Red nodes aren’t as good as before but AE + Skir + EW is peak

[gilded wraith]

Specifically Infiltrate post patch.

[willow prairie]

it doesn't melt boss as fast as thammer but i can actually kill shit

[tall torrent]

Vet is second highest melee damage rn

With power sword

[gilded wraith]

Embrace the slow.

[willow prairie]

who the highest

[tall torrent]

Pure melee spec psyker with FGS

[trim badger]

Still using red nodes to fuck over bosses

[willow prairie]

I need to max out fgs

[trim badger]

And now that vet has effectively open wounds like bounty hunter

It being 20% as well

It just shreds bosses

My DS will not be stopped...

[neon current]

GUYS

what perks on new bolter

[tall torrent]

I think marksman is worth still but not first choice for damage

[neon current]

speak up mathheads

[willow prairie]

i mean 20% strength on any weakspot hit is strong

unless it fatshark description again

[trim badger]

Mega strong yeah

[willow prairie]

also last for 10s l

[tall torrent]

It’s way worse than before

Because u could VoC 3 times in 5s and now u have +60% str

[gilded wraith]

due to CDR change?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[willow prairie]

It still good

[trim badger]

Wait it stacked with itself?

[willow prairie]

that more of a side effect of cdr being extremely broken and psykernetic aura

[tall torrent]

Red nodes can be activated an indefinite number of times as long as CD allows

All procs are considered separate instances and tick on their own duration, just like CK

[gilded wraith]

Okay, is Psykinetic's Aura still party in coherency, or psyker only now?

[tall torrent]

This is how azreal got the clip of revolver 1 mag boss lol

U spam red node from resetting CD with creature spawner

[trim badger]

Damn

[gilded wraith]

Sneaky angel.

[tall torrent]

U can still do it in creature spawner but in a live game u don’t get to do it so its not relevant

I’d prefer if red nodes’ duration were made longer tbh

To compensate for the CDR nerf

[trim badger]

Like for me it's there nearly free

Just a 5% speed tax node that is still good anyways

[willow prairie]

no against all odd?

that shit really strong

[tall torrent]

He plays DS one trick

[willow prairie]

damn

[trim badger]

Duelling sword yea

[willow prairie]

i mean with ds staggering everything it kinda worth it

also damage

it basically a free damage node

[trim badger]

I'm pretty sure that's gonna like get fixed soon

Better not getting used to that

[trim badger]

Prime target is 10% more dmg for doing nothing

And gives you toughness

[tame lodge]

Me when I'm using AinzDT meta and my playlist starts changing

[trim badger]

I see a lot of people not pick this

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

[trim badger]

I do play other stuff it's just that I love poking so much

[tall torrent]

No no you can only play duelling sword

[trim badger]

:cccc

[tame lodge]

Another 2k hours of DS for you

Just like me and Evis15

[trim badger]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-vermintide-2-saltzpyre-thumbs-up-victor-saltzpyre-gif-12423588020318615207

I hope the fix the stagger thing soon

[tame lodge]

True

[willow prairie]

what with the evis3 cleave target breakpoint btw

someone told me this and literally never answered

[tall torrent]

What

[tame lodge]

H1 has 9.5, L2 L3 and pa all have 8 cleave

[willow prairie]

someone told me that mk3 want 80% cleave because of cleave bp

[tame lodge]

At 80 cleave

At 60 cleave they'll have 7 and H1 will have 8.5

At 7 cleave you're stopped by 2 scab bruisers

Hard to proc Sweep

[tall torrent]

Just don’t run sweep

[tame lodge]

Or rampage

[tall torrent]

Be the gigachad u deserve to be and run perfect strike instead

[tame lodge]

💀

[tame lodge]

Path

I'm running Bloodthirsty Pstrike

On evis15

[tall torrent]

No rager group stagger 😭

[tame lodge]

Don't need to

Chastise into 1 Rev heavy

Start the chain

Also like

L1 L2 L3 have sticky property

Despite not sticking

[tall torrent]

I think they changed ogryn stagger values too

[tame lodge]

So you can make ragers dance for a fraction of a section

[tall torrent]

Rashad can stagger bulwark on weakspot hit with heavy overhead

[willow prairie]

I just run perfect + wrath

[tame lodge]

What's with wrath propaganda

😭

[willow prairie]

I mean it literally free

[tall torrent]

Don’t need wrath if u have perfect strike

Just crit more

[tame lodge]

Perfect Strike is free af

[willow prairie]

martydom

😔

[tame lodge]

Shred

💀

Bloodthirsty

[tall torrent]

Bloodthirsty still meh

[willow prairie]

idk why but bloodthirsty seem to be bugges

[tall torrent]

On mk3

[tame lodge]

BT is more of an Evis15 thing yes

[tall torrent]

On mk15 it’s ok

[willow prairie]

i don't get the crit bonus

[tame lodge]

And Evis15 is the better eviscerator anyways

[willow prairie]

NO

[tall torrent]

I wish zealot had 1 good brawler type melee that could handle carapace spam

[tame lodge]

What is exactly a "brawler type"

[tall torrent]

Not knife/DS

[willow prairie]

I mean heavy evis fotf 1 shot havoc crusher so that something ig

but i only played 30s since update

[tame lodge]

The chainsword Xiiig is also doing that

[willow prairie]

chainsword is less cool

[hollow ibex]

What’s the new horde clear combo on chord?

[tall torrent]

Chainsword is kinda better

[willow prairie]

anyway evis attack speed buff when

[tall torrent]

Prob never lmao

[tame lodge]

While also being better than evis at clearing horde

[turbid ibex]

last week

[hollow ibex]

I think they changed movesets

[tall torrent]

Just martyr

[tame lodge]

Unironically Xiiig zealot is broken

[turbid ibex]

you missed out on it

[tame lodge]

Light light light light

I think they gave a single target combo

Lemme see

[hollow ibex]

It already had one tho. Even if it was shit lol

[tame lodge]

Up there

Oh for mk4

But for Xiiig

Isn't H2 a vertical attack

[stark cove]

Hoard staggering for teammates

If you have an oggy with a twin stubber it’s really good after testing

Aim for the feet of the poxwalkers/groaners then let the stubber mop them up

[tame lodge]

H2 chains into l2/h3

[hollow warren]

Ah yes, the perfect Plasma gun

[tame lodge]

So you go from H1, H2 (both no cleave) to L2 (4.5 clv) or H3 (8 clv)

[last marten]

is 69/71 no longer ideal?

[tame lodge]

Which kinda doesn't mean much

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[stark pollen]

Maybe I'm coping, but marksman's focus just seems like the clear winner for the keystones? It just seems to give you so much more than the other keystones.

[tall torrent]

WS has way better pathing and is quite strong

[tame lodge]

Only ranged finesse

[stark pollen]

WS is probably better for crit cause of the pathing nodes.

[tame lodge]

The value is indeed quite high

[hollow ibex]

MMF has improved quite a bit

The pathing has not

[tame lodge]

But it funnels into only ranged play style

[hollow ibex]

FT has improved, but the pathing has gotten worse

WS has improved and it’s pathing is insane now

[hybrid plover]

Pathing into WS makes anything capable of critting frequently

Reciprocity be damned.

[azure narwhal]

how is this?

[stark pollen]

but also 75% ranged finesse strength is disgusting on MF

[trim badger]

Why do people suck so much at havoc 30 tho

Like genuienly how can people be this bad aaaa

Do I really gotta play with Friends to not be forced to clutch 24/7?

[stark pollen]

I've seen some vet builds with braced revolver killing bosses in one mag.

[hollow warren]

69 charge rate 71 thermal? I'm in the dark

[last marten]

i have good luck with the game finder channel here

[last marten]

yeah i think

[tall torrent]

no,
68~69 thermal
71~72 charge rate

[trim badger]

It's the other way around

[last marten]

😭

this

[hollow warren]

well I got one with 69 thermal, but the 71 is in Stopping Power so into the bin it goes

[last marten]

just gotta drop 500 million on random ones

99% of gamblers...

[hollow warren]

well I still have 24,5 million dockets to go

so

[last marten]

👍

[hollow warren]

ok got it

[last marten]

damn im not jealous

[hollow ibex]

I dumped 2.5m dockets and never got a perfect roll lol

[hollow warren]

I ended up spending only ~700k I guess

[last marten]

took me several events worth of resources to get one

[gilded wraith]

I got two perfect rolls that shifted on level up.

Abandoned the attempts after that.

[pastel zealot]

whats a good perk/blessing combo for chain sword nowadays?

[hollow warren]

thankfully my numbers didn't shift when empowering (though I don't think that happens anymore, didn't FS fix that some time ago?)

[winged bane]

pain

[pastel zealot]

what mod gives those explanations?

[winged bane]

1 off of perfect

[hollow warren]

Enhanced Descriptions

[tropic halo]

it quite funny how veteran has not received any new auras or reworked the existing ones so people still gonna pick survivalist

Fire team would have been good if it was 10% ranged damage buff

[turbid ibex]

i feel like there is a good argument for taking close and kill on non-havoc

its just fire team that is way behind

[void dragon]

The fact that you can swap them almost freely means that you can have more auras with little build impact, now if only swapping auras wasn't a mod but a base game feature...

[hollow ibex]

CaK best aura

[pastel zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/82qrttp.png this...sucks

[neon current]

yes, my team is usually dead in the first room

[sharp hamlet]

I hope that vet gets an actually new gun in the next big update. It’s insulting that we still don’t have the heavy mg in the class art. Bulletstorm vet, my beloved.

[neon current]

you mean, like the explosive bolter?

[sharp hamlet]

No, like a heavy stubber.

We have plenty of bolters pal

A variant of what we have isn’t a “new gun”

[neon current]

it very much is tho

works very different

[sharp hamlet]

Look, all I’m saying is that we should have a heavy stubber. Irritated that we still don’t have one.

[errant carbon]

Braced autoguns should always have been some kind of "Light Stubber" LMG analogue

[primal zealot]

so trv

although if that happens n the squishies get a better mg than the ogryn theres gonna be a mutiny on the moaningstar

[sharp hamlet]

Big Man, you have a twin-linked stubber, us squishies should just get a 1-barreled stubber as a compromise.

[outer wolf]

What melee weapons do you recommend me to try with the rework?

I mean, in particular

[jolly quail]

the new falchion is pretty fun

also bleed knife

serrated talent and mercy killer blessing

[outer wolf]

What about taxe?

[jolly quail]

havent tried it

[solar valve]

Taxe is life

Better on zealot and psyker tho

[outer wolf]

mercy killer with uncanny?

[jolly quail]

yea

[solar valve]

Than vet

[primal zealot]

yea but it sucks

[tropic halo]

https://youtu.be/oV12ygDQn8I?si=qTQvWNUEoYKcfDiM

[sharp hamlet]

I disagree with that, but at least vet’s stubber will also have the same limitations as Big Man’s twin-linked stubber.

[woven vigil]

So for the new explosive bolters and boltpistols, I am guessing Mobility is still the dump stat?

or Stability?

[jolly quail]

it was collateral before

im wondering if its still collateral or not

[woven vigil]

wouldn't collateral help with the explosions, especially with pinning fire?

[tropic halo]

Mobility

[woven vigil]

on the explosive bolter, that is

[tropic halo]

With the new marks collateral gonna be able to apply more stagger

[jolly quail]

yea im just saying that for the normal bolters it was collateral not mobility

[woven vigil]

ye, I am trying to basically keep a normal bolter and an explosive one lol

I got the collateral dump stat on the normal one, so just tryna figure out what the dump would be on the explosive one

[marble mantle]

Alight fellas
Which one

[woven vigil]

I'll stick with mobility on htat one

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[hollow ibex]

Don’t dump collat on bolter

[rough cobalt]

Middle one looks best for me, maybe due to helmet having camo and armor not

[sullen scarab]

Does tactical axe VII use Carapace/Maniac as the perks?

[tall torrent]

unarmored
second choice can be kinda whatever

[marble mantle]

So, rangefinder? The goggles?

[analog lintel]

Tanner has some good builds and bad builds

I think evrryone hates him cause he made a George Floyd joke

[marble mantle]

Valid reason to hate someone ngl

[orchid hemlock]

Everyone hates him because he's a narcissist 💀

[sullen scarab]

Awesome! I was just reading your posts from earlier and had no idea the axe was so good now. I usually rely on your google doc guide lol.

[tacit sonnet]

what blessings do you take for Falchion?

[sharp hamlet]

1st is nice for a more “faceless” cannon fodder kind of guardsman look. 2nd is nice for a seasoned recon vet kinda vibe. 3rd is for a vet that’s been through the wringer but didn’t hear no bell. Ma didn’t raise a quitter.

[rough cobalt]

Yea, but honestly I don't like all 3, waiting for all green Kasrkin chestpiece myself

[analog lintel]

he seemed like the most accurate darktide youtuber when I was playing

[sullen scarab]

Is PS6 still Elite+Maniac, Power Cycler + Sunder/BM?

[hollow ibex]

lol

[orchid hemlock]

Who gives a fuck? He literally sent his player base to witch hunt Strawhat

[sharp hamlet]

In short, whatever you please my guy.

[orchid hemlock]

Like actually gremlin behavior

[rough cobalt]

Cranial Grounding is most often taken, following with Wrath or Heatsink, at least that's what people here reccomend

[hollow ibex]

So glad he got banned

[analog lintel]

i need information and everyone else sucks

also who is strawhat

[tacit sonnet]

no decapitator?

[rough cobalt]

Could be good as 2nd perk exchanging heatsink for it

[hollow ibex]

This discord server has plenty of people who know more about the game than that misogynistic dickwad

[marble mantle]

I’m in between 2 and 3.

[rough cobalt]

as to why I don't see it recommended i dunno

[jolly quail]

theres goes my diamantine man

[orchid hemlock]

The community manager of Fatshark 6 months ago 💀

[analog lintel]

unfortunately the only document I've ever found was the ogrynomicon

[sullen scarab]

For the classic Bolter on a Marksman build, what Blessings/Perks are the usual now?

[analog lintel]

if the only way to get info is constant pestering discord users than a video still has the more accessible advantages

[hollow ibex]

Pins usually has the info you need, or just ask here

[sharp hamlet]

Wow, that’s messed up. Among the other things I’m reading (never bothered with YouTube build nonsense) this guy sounds insufferable.

[rough cobalt]

Who is Strawhat and should I care? not to be dick about it but honestly asking

[sharp hamlet]

A former community manager

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/kataman-cat-gif-10580123519733406458

[hollow ibex]

Ex community manager of Darktide. Yes, he harassed a Fatshart employee.

[jolly quail]

for the classic one i would say puncture+shattering impact (maybe sugical if u plan to ADS a lot) and perks idk, i guess flak/maniac/unyielding/carapace all have purposes

[hollow ibex]

Shows you got mature he is

[rough cobalt]

Reason for it?

[sharp hamlet]

You don’t mess with community managers mate.

You just don’t

[hollow ibex]

He’s a fucking idiot

[sly orchid]

reginald is a much better source of info

[analog lintel]

who else? mister e? Reginald? both their videos dont get to the point fast enough

[sullen scarab]

Awesome, thank you!

[rough cobalt]

No offense but I like to make my own opinion, realy is there no reason or just no idea?

[sharp hamlet]

Doesn’t matter, Tanner’s a piece of trash for harassing someone regardless.

[sly orchid]

he got banned for being overwhelmingly toxic

[rough cobalt]

I would disagree on that part

[rough cobalt]

See that I can follow, and understand

[sly orchid]

after said ban he coerced his discord into harrassing the CM strawhat

[hollow ibex]

He’s genuinely an asshat. Strawhat was a good CM

[sly orchid]

promptly getting him blacklisted from both fatshark and GW themselves

[sullen scarab]

Didn't he claim to be responsible for the Ogyrn rework despite being banned from the discord and not even play Ogryn?

[hollow ibex]

I’m surprised it took so long for them to act on Tanner

[hollow ibex]

Oh yup

[orchid hemlock]

All Strawhat said to him was along the lines of: "hey you said some pretty messed up things on the server , but if you are willing to turn a leaf and apologize they can let him back in"

Instead of taking it on the chin, he holed himself up in his little discord and made up a conspiracy that Fatshark is "abusing power"

[jolly quail]

already spent all the diamantine from the event bruh

[sly orchid]

you have to remember that he likes to lie about things and can get extremely jealous

[rough cobalt]

So let me get it straight, He got banned -> cried to his community to harrass -> got blacklisted?

[sharp hamlet]

Reminds me of another stain on the Warhammer community, Arch. Who was also rightfully blacklisted by GW.

[sly orchid]

yup

[rough cobalt]

Damn

[sly orchid]

there is a direct screenshot of him saying it btw

that he doesnt care if people harass strawhat in his name

[orchid hemlock]

He did more shit even outside the discord

He literally diad on a community post on his channel that: "Juneteenth is a fake holiday"

[sharp hamlet]

Oh goody, a conspiracy monger, like we don’t have enough of those today.

[jolly quail]

average discord mod

[woven vigil]

he also seemed to be massively obsessed with Hank, the Ogrynomicon guide contributor lol

[rough cobalt]

Secret love?

[sly orchid]

as of yesterday he broke up his friendship with mr e because mr e was featured on fatsharks official channel

[woven vigil]

really bizzare beef

[woven vigil]

we'll never know

[solar valve]

Why are we talking about Tanner lol

[orchid hemlock]

All of his mods are also super obsessed with 4chan memes for some reason too

[sullen scarab]

Yeah, I just remember seeing it and it was so weird. Like chill dude, you make videos about magical sword swinging dudes in a video game while talking about how you're a femboy

[rough cobalt]

Was curious since I never heard about him

[solar valve]

Just a drama magnet

[orchid hemlock]

Like there was one on here a few months ago that kept talking about zombie George Floyd he resurrected from the dead or some shit 💀

[solar valve]

Not worth discussing

[rough cobalt]

Allready reached that conclusion 😅

[sullen scarab]

Yeah let's move on from Tanner. He's just a creep lmao.

😂

[sly orchid]

last thing ill post of him

[rough cobalt]

Anyway to change topic, anyone got good builds with lasgun/falchion?

played SM2 and want to make cadian build based on them

[sullen scarab]

I think the thing that made my small pp the big pp was reading rawr's explanation of how you can have free +45% damage up at all times on veteran, I didn'tk now that was a thing and now i am erect.

[little path]

which lasgun

[solar valve]

Falchion is ok

[rough cobalt]

Any lasgun as long as it shoots laser

[solar valve]

Helbore is so good with the new MMF

[rough cobalt]

I can allways get mod to make it look like kantrel

[heavy rover]

Can confirm, helbore is even more peak now

[solar valve]

MMF greedy as shit but so good

[heavy rover]

Well it is a mother mother fucking talent

[solar valve]

Massive Mother Fucker

[sharp hamlet]

[hollow warren]

isn't Tanner that content creator or whatever what the DT community calls a big douche or whatever? or am I confusing with someone else? I swear I've heard something about either a former dev being an ass or something

[heavy rover]

I'm stealing that

[thin stone]

What melee weapons are usually used by cadian guardsmen?

[solar valve]

Np

[orchid hemlock]

That was supposed to be a 4chan baiting joke

[solar valve]

Also kraks goated

[sly orchid]

he is infact the big douche

[jolly quail]

the bayonet on their lasgun

[thin stone]

No no I mean the actual melee

There's no bayonet on the infantry lasguns

[jolly quail]

dude i guess they have a knife but basic cadian guardsmen dont go into melee

if they go into melee they die

[thin stone]

Oh

[marble mantle]

@hollow ibex can you send your Infil setup again?

[sullen scarab]

Some of them may die. It's a risk I'm willing to take.

[heavy rover]

I mean helbore bayonet is unironically a good melee

[thin stone]

But helbore is used by kreigs

[heavy rover]

It staggers ragers out of their combos

[sharp hamlet]

Average guard enjoyer

[solar valve]

Helbore is better noe thay they increased the bomber spawn rate

[jolly quail]

in the astra militarum honestly only Ogryns and i guess rough riders really do melee fighting

[solar valve]

At least in Havoc

[rough cobalt]

Saw Sgt's have falchions at least in SM2, there's also shovel at their backpacks,in DOW they had chainswords

[woeful junco]

build sellers. i need your strongest builds

[thin stone]

For?

[solar valve]

https://tenor.com/view/potion-potion-seller-rascal-youre-a-rascal-gif-10886166780431023352

[woeful junco]

veteran, of course.

[heavy rover]

You are unworthy of my builds

[woeful junco]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-im-here-obi-wan-obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-gif-18535648

[little path]

Circled nodes are to taste. Mainly if you're NOT using the recon lasgun you don't need deadshot (Aim and eat stamina for crit chance) and Opening salvo (Crit in first 20% of mag)

[heavy rover]

For they are only for the strongest

[sharp hamlet]

You can’t handle my builds adventurer, you’ll have to find someone who sells weaker builds!

[ember nest]

in 40k guardsmen tend to melee as a last resort

[orchid hemlock]

Easy 😈

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[marble mantle]

Anyone have an infil build that uses knife and plasma?

[ember nest]

it's just uh, we're in the last resort period at all times now

[thin stone]

So cadian guardsmen don't use a power sword?

[sullen scarab]

My builds are for the strongest of veterans and you are of the weakest.

[tame void]

really liked the vigilan autogun

[woven vigil]

my builds are too strong for you varlet

[grand perch]

sorry confiedence issue when you say strongest

[ember nest]

they will, powerfist too

[jolly quail]

sergent or comissars might carry one but a fodder soldier? never

[ember nest]

and chainsword

[rough cobalt]

Gonna most probably use Infantry Lasgun with this

[ember nest]

its just like

why would you go punch something

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/infil-fragger

[ember nest]

if you can just shoot it

[hollow ibex]

This one?

[thin stone]

Is chainsword good now?

[jolly quail]

the basic guardsmen would never be allowed to carry a power fist no ?

[marble mantle]

Yes this one, thank you. What should I change if running plasma over DB?

[hollow warren]

is Serated Blade worth the extra point or nah?

[ember nest]

if it's given out to them, sure.

But it's probably not going to be standard, no.

[woeful junco]

I assume I can run this with the falchion just because I want to as well?

[jolly quail]

cuz it seems like his build is based on the actual rank and file cadian troop

[orchid hemlock]

Si

[tame void]

ive been out of the loop, was?!

[woeful junco]

aight ty gamer

[ember nest]

if so, I hope he enjoys combat dagger

[tame void]

is strawhat gone or smth?

[woeful junco]

strawhat left a while ago, yeah.

[tame void]

:cccc

[sharp hamlet]

Straw hat is gone

[woeful junco]

in fact you already missed the CM that came after her, kitefin

[rough cobalt]

It was good? Not Power Sword op but it did it's job at killing hordes

[woeful junco]

right now quickpaw is our CM

[heavy rover]

I mean the Cadia book by Robert Rath had a Cadian using a power sword

[thin stone]

Is the chainsword good now?

[jolly quail]

weapons like power fists and swords are not commonplace in 40k i believe, like i dont think our convicts from darktide would actually be allowed to carry relic blades and force swords lol

[thin stone]

Lol

[woeful junco]

convicts not so much but that's why you unlock the good stuff with trust level.

[thin stone]

We technically buy them

[hollow ibex]

Just take off the free reload subnode for WS. Don’t need that for plasma

[woeful junco]

"hey this guy doesnt die immediately. make them an acolyte and give them proper gear"

[jolly quail]

yea i guess

[sullen scarab]

My Beloved says that I'm special so I get a Force Sword.

[woeful junco]

inquisitorial acolytes are several steps above penal soldiers

[ember nest]

the trust level simulates being around for quite some time

[marble mantle]

Thanks

[jolly quail]

its true its true

[thin stone]

So umm

[little path]

eh

[thin stone]

Is the Chainsword good now?

[jolly quail]

but anyways! if u actually wanna cosplay a guardsman they dont carry any other melee than the combat knife

[thin stone]

Lol

[tame void]

whatever happened to catshark?

[jolly quail]

if u wanna cosplay a sgt, comissar, castellan or whatever then u have access to more melee weapons

[woeful junco]

she does influencer management

[sharp hamlet]

Or a shovel

[heavy rover]

I mean I have used it for shovel builds. It was hilarious

[jolly quail]

yea indeed

[rough cobalt]

One question why not take the node that give 15 stacks?

[ember nest]

only the squad leader is carrying anything like a chainsword or better

[thin stone]

What weapons would a lore accurate Cadian guardsmen use? Infantry lasgun + ?

[woeful junco]

so e.g. for this patch, catfish managed the press preview build

[jolly quail]

as we said combat knife/shovel

[ember nest]

dagger

you being on atoma already marks you out as not really being in the right place though

[hollow ibex]

You pretty much have to take it so yeah.

[sharp hamlet]

Anything las. Officers might have a bolt pistol or the stun pistol.

[jolly quail]

for the ranged i guess any lasgun

[sharp hamlet]

Volleygun, my beloved

[thin stone]

Time to be a lore accurate guardsman

[little path]

Talent points are tight. The damage increase from it can be good but there's better places to put the points

[thin stone]

And buy that premium bundle when I get my salary

[jolly quail]

not just infantry as lots of battles are depicted with guardsmen using auto lasgun weapons, which would be similar to the recon lasgun in darktide

but theres no true hot shot volleygun in darktide to do tempestus build 🙁

[rough cobalt]

Hoped we get one with this update since they said it's gonna be awsome for vets, instead we got falchion

[sharp hamlet]

Shouldn’t our infantry las have an auto variant by now? Or at least a burst fire one.

[rough cobalt]

I like it but would love hotshot instead

[marble mantle]

Do ppl still not like field improv?

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkmYM-WjYHM if you fancy vigi autoguns

[sharp hamlet]

If the auto is the recon las though

[little path]

Yes there is

[woeful junco]

Recon lasguns are auto

[little path]

They're just used by the heretics

[heavy rover]

Pretty much all my builds take it now

[serene sage]

if you treat the table top equipment as semi-canon (which it kinda is) then you have a lot to pick from tbh

[orchid hemlock]

Gaymer*

[marble mantle]

I remembered ppl didn’t like it, but I like it

[hollow ibex]

It’s pretty eh whatever. I usually would rather take serrated

[sharp hamlet]

Meant as a variant of the inf las itself. But yeah you’re right.

[marble mantle]

Well since I’m not taking that WS node I can take both

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff4d84d-fb1b-44e6-ba31-cdf7674ea590/bloody-barrel-blaster?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button c:

[thin stone]

Nice

[heavy rover]

I've had teammates request for it before so it doesn't hurt having it to support the team

[woeful junco]

If I'm on my ogryn with a build with nuke and I'm playing with a vet and they have field improv... Peak

[marble mantle]

Exactly

[thin stone]

It's funny how a cadian guardsmen would use a catachan dagger

[hybrid plover]

Knife double barrel is just pure adrenaline induced fun and it's dumb strong now with exe stance

[sharp hamlet]

Infinite nuclear boxes in mortis is frame-destroying peak.

[ember nest]

huh, vigi actually looks fun now

[jolly quail]

tabletop cards messing up lore consistency as usual

[rough cobalt]

Took those since I don't realy like Demolition team and Deadshot allways slowed me down before the patch, still good?

[orchid hemlock]

Brother you missed the most important node in the entire tree 😭

[rough cobalt]

which one?

I thought Skirmisher is realy liked now since it has like 22+ dmg increase

[little path]

yeah. Deadshot only really matters for recon lasgun

[rough cobalt]

I'm bringing the infantry one on this build

but I'll take it into account for my recon build

[hollow ibex]

I use it on my revolver sniper build

But yeah deadshot is not great

[rough cobalt]

.

I will never know the secret most important node 🥲

[little path]

Personally I would say dropping tactical awareness isn't great

[rough cobalt]

I may just not understand how it works, english is not my 1st language

[rough cobalt]

What cooldown, ability, between pushes or smthing, weapon changing

[jolly quail]

ability

[rough cobalt]

oooh

[jolly quail]

but i think its not actually that great

its a bit overblown

if u think aboutit

[rough cobalt]

it's 3s only tho

[jolly quail]

yea

[hollow ibex]

I need the uptime mod back

So I can see how shit tac awareness is now

[rough cobalt]

I took +25 toughness and skirmisher for it

[jolly quail]

i wouldnt be surprised if it was bad

[little path]

am I tweaking or

[jolly quail]

i did the exact same

[little path]

didn't it used to be elite enemies?

I know it did get changed

don't remember if it was changed to cooldown regen from flat reduction

or from elites to special

[hollow ibex]

It was always specialist only

[woeful junco]

super drippy squad

[rough cobalt]

Also was this chestplate out yet? I need it for my dude, All I'm missing is the chestplate

[jolly quail]

i hate the live service components of this game

or maybe i just need to get my money up

[rough cobalt]

nah I hate it too

[jolly quail]

but i hate how restricted the cosmetic options are if u dont spend money

[rough cobalt]

They completly forgot about that shop that sells recolors

[gilded wraith]

Does Chain Axe handle hordes better than it did before? Wasn't there a cleave cap that was messing with it?

[gloomy wing]

are you not entertained by armor reskin #7 ?

[jolly quail]

no

[trim badger]

That's bruiser (Ogryn talent)

[rough cobalt]

, should've make it so you buy one variant on shop then you can recolor it using normal currency

[hidden dune]

I love it

[jolly quail]

i love playing 100 hours to unlock 4 variants of the exact same chestplate (this one is black and it has an ammo pouch on the front)

[hidden dune]

They keep releasing cause I personally buy them on all 3 alts

[trim badger]

I mean it's still CDR

For just doing what you were doing anyways

[rough cobalt]

I'm blaming you for slopshop for the rest of my life

[jolly quail]

men just want this and its disgusting

[tame lodge]

Afaik
They removed the cap on Orestes 12 lights
However, those are horrible for horde clearing purpose

Your best bet is Mk4 with Slaughterer and Headtaker

With both stacked , Mk4 heavies will kill 2 poxxers per swing

[rough cobalt]

Can somebody screenshot me the picture of new event frame?

[hidden dune]

Why? Just buy all the recolors!

[tame lodge]

And really hurt a third one

[hidden dune]

We all love them

[rough cobalt]

Money, poor

Me, food, need

[hollow ibex]

Just worse than what other classes get for god knows what reason

[trim badger]

Maybe because vet was and now is even a better damage beast with finesse weapons

[elder vessel]

On the 12, cap is gone, on the 4, Cap is still there (bitter)

why does 12 get to be happy

[orchid hemlock]

.

[tame void]

.

[hollow ibex]

As if the other classes arent even more juiced up lol

[orchid hemlock]

At 100% uptime it will give you about 50% of the CDR

[trim badger]

Vet still deals more melee damage than Zealot

[orchid hemlock]

Fatshart

Give Zealot PS and my life is yours!

[trim badger]

Vet still has one of the best boss damage if not the best boss damage xd

While you can't shout every 5s anymore, you can still shred things like twins and any monstrosity very quickly

[jolly quail]

what do you use to shred bosses with vet

[midnight wyvern]

bolter

[trim badger]

Me personally, duelling sword but there's a few options

[jolly quail]

yea normal bolter i guess

[trim badger]

I can share the build later

[jolly quail]

currently playing falchion and explosive bolter

[orchid hemlock]

Everything

[jolly quail]

so dont shred bosses that much

but very versatile

[midnight wyvern]

this is previous tree too lol, only got better

[blissful fractal]

Guys I need a good Havoc Loadout

i have 0 clue what im doin

[tame void]

something something dueling sword

[blissful fractal]

I thought it was a bad weapon

Ive been using the knife

[tame void]

you thought wrong

[midnight wyvern]

first clip is wrong 💀

[tame void]

well fix it

[midnight wyvern]

was the one I meant to post

Bolter goog bolter only gooder now

[trim badger]

I started to love bringing kraks on havoc

Purple annoying bulwarks? Krak

Need to stagger a boss but no shout? Krak

[midnight wyvern]

need a Daemonhost dead?

throw 4 kraks at it

I wonder if you can time a krak grenade with the pop of a ritual

[sudden cedar]

Why waste Kraks? Ogryn can just slap it.

[midnight wyvern]

playing ogryn though

[sudden cedar]

[midnight wyvern]

also is it a waste if its an infinite resource

[north flicker]

I want it, too

[hollow ibex]

lol citation needed. zealot got juiced as fuck

I mean the dedicated melee class should have better melee

But no reason why vet should have gimped ass cdr

[trim badger]

It should, yes

It doesn't

[midnight wyvern]

I think the way that is achieved is by lowering vets damage though lol

[willow prairie]

I mean while zealot DO have higher damage cap

vet just reach their way easier

[trim badger]

Meh I think it's fine

[midnight wyvern]

[trim badger]

Zealot can get really close with fotf

DS needs to have the stagger reduced however xdddd

[midnight wyvern]

and vet gets giga buffs for sprinting towards the enemies anyway lol

should not do more melee than Zealot, if it is the case, Vet is now a problem for the game haha

what a time

I like its ability to do ranged shit, feels better than before but I don't think its melee should be as good as it is

[north flicker]

So.. you want more downed vets again for not being able to stand on their own in melee?

[midnight wyvern]

womp womp

[hollow ibex]

In what way

[jolly quail]

wondering if i should event ake the time to lvel ogryn and psyker at all

[hollow ibex]

Vets can’t one shot 6500 hp crushers in melee lol

Zealot can with no effort

[midnight wyvern]

they're both very good

[north flicker]

Ogre, yes, psyker, no

[jolly quail]

its more in regards to the playstyles i guess? i think zealot and vet fit me just right

[north flicker]

Pugs are struggling with the plasma gunners on malice difficulty

[willow prairie]

2 shot crusher, eh good enough

also zealot need fotf/shroud to 1 shot crusher

[midnight wyvern]

3rd times the charm

[north flicker]

I'm not a crack shot to run marksman's focus

[willow prairie]

psyker literally the most fun class in the game

you don't need to lol

[trim badger]

I suppose overall damage in a high diff game

[north flicker]

No?

[willow prairie]

I can't aim for shit and still have 15 stack all the time

[north flicker]

How 😮

[rough cobalt]

Is 1 krak not enough to kill the crusher?

or I just missed last match

[woeful junco]

that was a good build indeed, I enjoyed it

[midnight wyvern]

depends on the mode

[woeful junco]

default krak does not kill crusher, no

on auric

[midnight wyvern]

without tinkerer they can't on higher difs

[rough cobalt]

Yea, auric is what I meant

kk

[midnight wyvern]

damnation up

[trim badger]

Good thing that they at least keep killing bulwarks

[rough cobalt]

Gonna switch attack speed node since falchion is fast enough allready

[gilded wraith]

Awesome, thank you!

[slow spade]

does anyone know what armor plasma gunners have?

It seems their head is carapace

[rough cobalt]

Head has carapace I think

rest is flak tho

[midnight wyvern]

carapace head and maybe body

but if not its flak

[slow spade]

ah ok thanks for the info c:

[willow prairie]

ranged mauler accusations

[midnight wyvern]

cara head and has more HP than scab gunner

😄

[slow spade]

lol I was trying to headshot them with my funny Vraks build

rip me

[rough cobalt]

so I wasn't deluding myself thinking they're tankier, good to know

[midnight wyvern]

my funny plasma build 1 shot heads them and

[slow spade]

yeah they're like 2000 hp or something stupid

[midnight wyvern]

I hate them so its a feels good

[slow spade]

nice c:

[rough cobalt]

Link build?

[slow spade]

my bolter is 2 shot sadly ;c

[midnight wyvern]

un momento por favor

[rough cobalt]

🙏

[jolly quail]

man the train mission has to be the best one in the game when youre with a team with not completely atrophied brains

they need to make more missions like this

[slow spade]

"fun detected, unleash the tox bomber horde"

[jolly quail]

lol

yea i guess depending on the modificators it can be awful

but the mission design itself is simple and fun

[trim badger]

Well now this is replaced by "unleash the scab plasma squad"

[north flicker]

What are good perks to pick for plasma gun

[slow spade]

indeed and also it seems bugged to get give full dockets

[north flicker]

Carapace + unyielding?

[slow spade]

so it's like 8 minutes for like 50k dockets lol

[trim badger]

Do you need plasma for crushers?

[jolly quail]

i use maniacs + unyielding

[rough cobalt]

Plasma for enemy plasma (crusher may be included)

[slow spade]

true, I had a team breeze through a mission to get team wiped in 15 seconds by a surprise plasma squad spawning behind us

21 minute failure

[north flicker]

@slow spade I had that exact same thing, entire team folded

[midnight wyvern]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff4ed0f-72a7-4b20-a729-bbe2d90f6647/plasmant-2

[north flicker]

I was already down because swarmed by a horde

[slow spade]

yeah it's when they do some bullshit like spawn behind you that makes it really rough

because it's like suddenly someone is just instantly dead

[north flicker]

I'm already done with it tho

[midnight wyvern]

initially made it to see how good you could do with born leader spamming friendlies with toughness but it kills things good too lol

2 shot M1s crushers or 1 shot M2s them, 1 shot M1s maulers and 1 shots everything below that

[jolly quail]

plasgun is really busted man

[midnight wyvern]

other than I think mutant, but you stagger them out of charge anyway

[jolly quail]

the swap speed for what is supposed to be the heaviest gun u can run is crazy lol

[slow spade]

oh Marksmen Focus Plasma sounds funny

[rough cobalt]

Thanks for it, all I need now is bolt pistol build and laspistol build to fix all my 5 build presets

[slow spade]

I should really give that a go

[midnight wyvern]

shredders and smokes are interchangable too, smokes with exe stance is good fun

[north flicker]

@midnight wyvern It's similar to what I made, kek

[midnight wyvern]

I need another human on at some point to see how fast it can regen another player with them doing nothing

all my auric teammates today shouldn't even be in heresy let alone throwing in auric

[rough cobalt]

Which shovel was the good one? Gonna replace Power sword with it for you Plasma build

[jolly quail]

???

[rough cobalt]

Since I don't want 1 weapon on all presets

[jolly quail]

how can we tell lol

[rough cobalt]

image

[north flicker]

Both are MK III

[rough cobalt]

yea but look different

[willow prairie]

mk1

[north flicker]

Yeh nah bruv, u running some mod

[rough cobalt]

nah not yet, didn't have time to reinstall

[jolly quail]

yeah somethings bugging on ur screen

both are listed as MK3

[rough cobalt]

wait mk1 is bugging to mk3

the upper one is mk1 ;D

[north flicker]

MK1

[hybrid plover]

Mk1 best shovel

[midnight wyvern]

MkIV best shovel

fuck

VI

[jolly quail]

7

[midnight wyvern]

no

VI

[rough cobalt]

Good upgrades on it?

[jolly quail]

theres no 6

[midnight wyvern]

power sword best shovel

[jolly quail]

i swear

[midnight wyvern]

[jolly quail]

😩

[hybrid plover]

Mk1 is best and no one can convince me otherwise.

[north flicker]

Power sword just has a long shovel blade

[hybrid plover]

[midnight wyvern]

dump stat is damage

[rough cobalt]

......

[jolly quail]

uncanny instead of skullcrusher for chonky hits with the switch mode

[rough cobalt]

mk1 does have switch mode?

[trim badger]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f58a4ba-9a0c-4cec-8d03-9f4535122a62/dream-vet-havoc-40?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Updated the vet build I had

[jolly quail]

no thats why you use mk VII

[trim badger]

Still considering if using +cara or +crit on ds

[hybrid plover]

Uncanny is not really needed with flip shovels

[jolly quail]

oh

[midnight wyvern]

skullcrusher is also cracked

never not have skullcrusher

[willow prairie]

yeah because the other 2 have shit special lol

[hybrid plover]

Debatable for mk1 tbh

[willow prairie]

mk1 also kill crusher faster pre update

[midnight wyvern]

I know but nobody uses skullcrusher and it hurts my soul every time

[faint beacon]

I would've argued in defense of Deci before the vet rework

but now vet actually has solid damage talent choices

[jolly quail]

i like the flip mode

[hybrid plover]

Uncanny and decimator or all or nothing are my usual go tos.

[faint beacon]

Skc is better

[midnight wyvern]

not even just on shovel, on anything lol

[hybrid plover]

The cleave.

[midnight wyvern]

I never see skullcrusher

[hybrid plover]

It genuinely makes a difference on shovel

[jolly quail]

its funny when u strike ppl in the head with the flip shovel 👍

[faint beacon]

Uncanny + Serrated

teehee

Its just Uncanny Lac/FT Knife but you dont have to build it to be annoying

[hybrid plover]

It's not about the cleave distribution tho

It's about the weapon actually cleaving

[jolly quail]

it feels like you play as a kind of shovel knight...

[faint beacon]

too bad the shovel specials are all ass unless its Mk1

its worse Chain weapon rev unfortunately

[trim badger]

Currently loving knife with serrated, uncanny and mercy killer

[jolly quail]

yea i agree

it goes kinda crazy

[rough cobalt]

Why mk 7 instead of mk3 btw

[jolly quail]

theyre saying mk1

[hybrid plover]

Mk3 has worse horde clear

The single target is better

[willow prairie]

yeah but chain weapon does actual damage now

[rough cobalt]

Good to know, needed it for HC more since plasma gonna be left for elite/specials

[viscid salmon]

who the fuck has decided that the bots should be allowed to use mediacae

thats such a stupid fucking decision and an idea

just had a bot waste 3 medicae charges in a row

and he didnt even get downed, he just cosplayed as a chewtoy and then went to heal

[willow prairie]

that supposedly fixed in this update

[viscid salmon]

well clearly wasnt

on other note, i love the new boltgun

the falchion less so

but the boltgun is based

[faint beacon]

yeah forgot to mention you no longer need to run Lac/FT because of Serrated pathing

[rough cobalt]

Why new boltgun sounds like lasgun

[tall torrent]

uncanny cringe
run mercy + flesh meme build and get 3x the mixed horde dmg while still obliterating single target with crit

serrated + flesh = 10 bleed stacks on crit

[viscid salmon]

its very controllable and deals really well with things that arent crushers. Staggerlocks annoying disablers

the ammo economy tho is like, pile of dogshit unfortunately

but other than that im enjoying it thoroughly

[willow prairie]

certified zealot moment

[viscid salmon]

now if only i could have a flashlight on the thing instead of a bump

[rough cobalt]

Did they touch Infantry lasguns in this update at all or MK7 (green one) is still the best option

[willow prairie]

torrent still the best

[tame lodge]

Uh

Wrong weapon I think

[rough cobalt]

yea, that's recon

[tame lodge]

Yup

But directly? No

Indirectly? Yes

[tame lodge]

Veteran is immune to suppression now

And that's massive for ilas

[rough cobalt]

what difference does it make in reality for lasgun?

[slow spade]

Vet also has base +10% crit which is useful if you use Deadly Accurate

[viscid salmon]

oh yea, what do people prefer for exec stance? ogryns or ranged enemies?

[slow spade]

100% Ogryn

[gaunt hinge]

shooter hatred

[tame lodge]

Ilas was one of the few weapon that really suffered under suppression

Now they are way more reliable

[rough cobalt]

But green one is still overall best?

[slow spade]

imo yes but I haven't used them this update

[rough cobalt]

How did Deadly accurate worked again? does it just increase damage on weakspots or only when you crit on weakspot

[tame lodge]

We're checking on it

[rough cobalt]

I read it but I can't understand

[hollow ibex]

Has to be both at once

[tame lodge]

Vet got some interesting damage buff

[hollow ibex]

Crit and weakspot

[rough cobalt]

ohhh

[viscid salmon]

hit the head with crit

[tame lodge]

9 might actually be good again

Once again

[rough cobalt]

Well, time to replace Ghost again with Deadly

[hollow ibex]

Test and lmk

[tame lodge]

We still checking

[faint beacon]

Click on enemy head, if non-crit doesn't apply

if crit

applies

Weakspot Crit damage basically

Weakspot and Crits are different

[rough cobalt]

Simple words but went through my thick head

As in I understood this time

Here's to hoping for 3 captains in 1 mission, want to be done with this event

can't see shit

[north flicker]

I dont got the mastery points yet for sunder 4 and I got it on consecration but is this gonna work fine?

[jolly quail]

i just brought recon for the event missions

u really cant see anything

without it

[slow spade]

yeah should be fine

[jolly quail]

dump stat is cleave target

[viscid salmon]

btw idk if this is intended but exec stance refreshes even with melee kills, since the tooltip only says "killing highlighted enemy" but doesnt specify, which is why i was considering running the "highlighs ranged enemies" since you could just have 10%/s toughness regen as long as youre killing ranged scabs or dregs in melee

[slow spade]

mobility dump works too

[north flicker]

@jolly quail There is a variant for ventilation purge, which requires no flashlight ;D

[balmy flume]

Possibly Darktide back on gaming rotation.
Damn our tree got Good.

[jolly quail]

oh well i finished the event

[north flicker]

Same

[jolly quail]

for a player with around 100hr playtime the 4k diamantine was a godsent

its all spent now

[willow prairie]

nah

you're slow as shit with mobility dump

[slow spade]

you're slow as shit anyways

[jolly quail]

i think its just that theres virtually no difference between 60 and 80 cleave targets

[slow spade]

besides I prefer the +1 target on cleave over some small speed buff

[slow spade]

it's roughly +1 cleave

[jolly quail]

oh alright

[hallow cove]

can thammer not 1 pop crusher anymore after health double?

[jolly quail]

wrong chat

[hallow cove]

oops

[jolly quail]

❤️

thammer on vet when

[willow prairie]

you can use limbsplitter thrust shovel but it dogshit

[jolly quail]

they need to add edgelord dual wield weapons like power claws

[slow spade]

dual wield shredder pistols

[jolly quail]

or ju_st the singular power claw i guess

that would go crazy

nah

dual wield plas pistols

[tame lodge]

When you boot up loadout config

[slow spade]

if only Fatshark had like a game where dual wielding was a thing they could take reference of

[jolly quail]

what iconic families of 40k weapons are missing

power claws and meltas i guess?

[slow spade]

for Vet, grenade launchers c:

[jolly quail]

volkite would be a step too far

[slow spade]

phosphex weapons on Vet when?

[jolly quail]

oh and heavy stubbers

[slow spade]

oh they know, they just choose to taunt us

look at the art for the left tree :c

pain

[jolly quail]

yup

but grenade launchers and heavy stubbers are not really 40k specific

[rough adder]

I mean in that case essentially all heavy weapons

Hotshot volley guns

[jolly quail]

yea i was saying hotshot volleys earlier

[willow prairie]

hey guy did you know the the duelling sword from 40k is so popular that they made it irl

[tall torrent]

hellgun
longlas
melta
inferno pistol (melta but handgun)
plasma pistol
needle rifle
needle pistol
heavy stubber (basically belt-fed LMG)
lascannon (for ogryn)

[jolly quail]

ah yea lascannon good shout

[rough adder]

Did ogryn ever use lascannon on tabletop?

[old quail]

they could be funny and let us use repurposed industrial equipment and stuff

[rough adder]

Are they smart enough not to smash it to pieces on the first day?

[languid rose]

They should add the Rogue Trader Saws

[old quail]

Imperium Maledictum: Macharian Requisition Guide has stats for using riot control hoses as weapons

[rough adder]

In that case, how about the entire gene stealer cult arsenal

[austere mica]

They have it in Only War

[jolly quail]

do rogue traders really use saws? i played the video game and i was like what are these when i got to the dlc

[old quail]

people want to fight genestealers but they should really switch it up and add a genestealer class

[austere mica]

Mining equipment

Gsc have them so they made it in

[jolly quail]

ahh true it was gsc items

[trim badger]

"You can't use meta blessings grrrrr"

[jolly quail]

enjoyed that game btw

[willow prairie]

I honestly never thought of removing uncanny on knife

[jolly quail]

i think ive played about every 40k game that im susceptible to enjoy

[willow prairie]

I'm not really a big 40k fan but rogue trader on gamepass

[atomic void]

i think he's literally saying a meme build is better

and not that meta picks are bad

[north flicker]

hammer

For ogryns

[jolly quail]

i really enjoyed it but u gotta like crpgs/tactical rpgs

[willow prairie]

I mean i already played dos2

[jolly quail]

oh ure good then

[slow spade]

Rogue Trader is funny

[tall torrent]

srsly try mercy + serrated it's a meme that somehow works

[midnight wyvern]

what blessings would you want to run on DS on zealot? been running riposte and uncanny but I feel like id get higher peaks with other blessings

[slow spade]

12-16 damage plasma gun -> 800 damage after calculations

as intended

[trim badger]

You mean laceratte and ft

[willow prairie]

I mean it pretty on the nose

[steep flower]

Pog game

[willow prairie]

60% weakspot damage on bleed and talent that gice bleed for free

[north flicker]

I like RPGs in the vein of Neverwinter Nights

[jolly quail]

yeah i loved the game but i hope they rework the hell out the statistical side of the combat for the new one

[north flicker]

Which is kinda tactical, but also aint

[tall torrent]

nah lacerate is not worth with current vet tree

[jolly quail]

like the core combat concept is definitely good but the balance is completely fucked

[hollow ibex]

Mk 6 knife I assume

[steep flower]

The best

[tall torrent]

yea it's the better variant

[slow spade]

I miss when Pasqal was Death made manifest

"Infinite attacks this turn"
"+1 AP regen per plasma attack"

simple yet bullshit c:

[hollow ibex]

I still prefer Mk 3

[willow prairie]

muh mk3 have same horde clear

[jolly quail]

lol i played it recently so for me it was argenta who was carrying like crazy
killed the final boss with a volley of like 37 shots doing 2k+ dmg each

[willow prairie]

i need to finish that shit too

[slow spade]

yeah they keep fucking bricked my bullshit builds

[mortal zinc]

Thoughts on Mk8 Vigilant with it’s double-burst post-update? Used to be the only one I ran for Vigis

[willow prairie]

I literally got a sd just to finish my backlog and unfinished game