veteran-class

[tall torrent]

I think CK + CaB + OYT is more than good enough for most scenarios

[midnight wyvern]

but it kill many thing many good many quick

gonna need another human on to see how fast it can 0-100 an arb or something lol

[faint beacon]

CK + CaB + O4B if you don’t want to constantly swap

That and value from shredders but that’s if you’re running shredders

[tall torrent]

OYT is better value than most toughness talents

Because u can get a huge chunk very quickly

[manic umbra]

Feels so weird not to be running SC

[tame lodge]

Doesn't power di do that?

I mean

You can set it to do that

[midnight wyvern]

dunno I don't use it

[tame lodge]

Or will it just track toughness in general

[midnight wyvern]

will have a gander if it does

[tall torrent]

Skirmisher + EW is 3x that and works vs all enemies

[midnight wyvern]

just pumping toughness spam both for myself and allies

just works well with exe stance already too since more regen is more regen

and exhil gives even more TDR, goofy

[faint beacon]

Honestly SC is now optional cause of its pathing

Admittedly I like the extra damage but it’s not needed

[turbid ibex]

Sc?

[faint beacon]

Superiority Complex

15%+ damage against elites

[midnight wyvern]

I like it on this build just to make sure on things lol

wondering if I should switch unarmoured on plasma to probably cara

[tall torrent]

Optional

But

Wouldn’t go carapace

[midnight wyvern]

likely still 1 taps dreg gunners with MMF

haven't needed maniac

[faint beacon]

MMF plasma is a choice

I’ll say that

[tall torrent]

I think plasma is best off with WS path rn

[midnight wyvern]

its funny

[faint beacon]

FT or WS

[midnight wyvern]

you're welcome to do that

[faint beacon]

WS is better though

[tall torrent]

FT kinda vet worst keystone rn

Kinda

But it’s better pathing than MF

[faint beacon]

FT is okayish

[pseudo fiber]

What year is it

[faint beacon]

WS is just maintaining its stranglehold on the meta mainly cause of

All the insane talents on its side

[tall torrent]

And OYT being super strong

[faint beacon]

FT and MMF are in better spots

[midnight wyvern]

1 taps maulers 2 taps crushers, neato, ill just go with cara

[faint beacon]

They either have to buff them or actually nerf WS if they wish to make they keystone meta less apparent

But I doubt they’ll do that

[tall torrent]

Make the other 2 routes’ pathing better

I wanted a second atk speed node that’s global

But is deeper to reach

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent other than Vraks

Which weapon goes best with MF? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Helbore
Boltgun
Laspistol
Vig auto

[orchid hemlock]

Helbore more meta lessgo 😈

[regal belfry]

did they make hellbore that good

[mint talon]

What mark, perks and blessings are recommended for the Helbore?

[orchid hemlock]

Helbore was meta before

I'm just half joking

[tall torrent]

IV
Stability dump
Unyielding
Carapace
Surgical
Weight of fire

[regal belfry]

it felt clunky af

[mint talon]

thanks a lot

[regal belfry]

not the charge shots more weapon swapping etc

[faint beacon]

Another man image has hit the towers

[orchid hemlock]

Which sub nodes do you take for MF?

[tall torrent]

TV

[orchid hemlock]

Nothing else?

[shy rose]

I have been looking at Helbores... Why would you pick Mk5 over the Mk3a

Other then the fact that it looks way better xD

[orchid hemlock]

I used Mk4 before patch, not sure if that will change tbh

[shy rose]

I am not a big fan of Mk4s melee

[tall torrent]

Can’t afford

[shy rose]

i like the quick stab more then the slow sweep

[pseudo fiber]

I love that this bug has been there since the map released 2 years ago lmfao

[orchid hemlock]

Other than boss shields, why would you ever use the bayonet?

[shy rose]

uhm honestly I actually love the bayonette

stabbing 1 dude that came in to melee is so much faster then swapping back and forth

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[faint beacon]

CITA is extremely situational and yeah the 15 stacks is nice and all but tax comes in with trying to get right side talents

So it kinda just boils down to MMF + TV and you’re pretty much set

[orchid hemlock]

I'm just wondering, because dropping nodes is hard on Vet 😞

[shy rose]

But why waist tallent point when i can just stabby stab

also with all the bosses running around in the event quest

stabby is real nice now 😄

[orchid hemlock]

What difficulty are you playing on?

[shy rose]

damnation

usually atleast

[tall torrent]

OM is not a waste cuz u have to path down it or longshot anyway

And longshot doesn’t change anything for helbore I think

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah it's not a waste to take it anyways

[shy rose]

i mean i have a sniper ofc i go for longshot

[orchid hemlock]

But let me ask you

If a mixed hordes comes your way, does the bayonett get the job done?

Wait what is the cleave on them? @tall torrent ?

[shy rose]

no by that point you gotta swap ofcourse

[tall torrent]

3 💀

[shy rose]

but a few enemies around me bayonette is fine

[orchid hemlock]

Better than Chainsword AMIRITE? 😈

[void dragon]

Bayonet is to stab the fool that charged you alone because you are too bored to swap weapons

[tall torrent]

Chainsword buff actually pretty significant

[shy rose]

Exactly Sh

[orchid hemlock]

Let s fucking goooo

[void dragon]

What was the buff?

[shy rose]

I am still sad that heavys dont rev

like the axe and the eviscator do

or with the axe its dependant on the mark

[crude wind]

I thought yesterday we were shitting on the chainsword

What happened?

[shy rose]

update hit xD

[crude wind]

People actually played with it instead of dooming?

[orchid hemlock]

I always shit on CS 😈

[crude wind]

Lol one dude in here yesterday man, I was like "fuck me why do you even bother playing this game"

[orchid hemlock]

No poster child weapon

No life 😞

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1420082840015474698/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.09.23_-_16.21.41.06.mp4?ex=68d4c374&is=68d371f4&hm=c91ecdd279f4152ca610c8315ca606c3a318354fca3d1645726c240f2b2150da&

[shy rose]

impact buff?

[void dragon]

Holly stagger Batman, what's that?!

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately
Still ass vs carapace (even with FotF is not enough to 1 tap crusher)
And the activated attacks still aren’t good

[tall torrent]

Takes too long to do

[shy rose]

that i noticed to. if you run it def needa gun that can deal with carapase or just a bunch of kraks

[orchid hemlock]

Wait

Does this mean

I can stack stagger on it? 😈

[tall torrent]

Also new vet tree gives power sword quite hilarious boss dps

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1420105421368201336/balls.mp4?ex=68d42fbc&is=68d2de3c&hm=c87c80bd7a2f32a3038fb681785d30e2b378c067689600163e7e3dc9de7ce563&

this is without damage juicing btw

[orchid hemlock]

let's me hit youuuu!!!!! 😭

[void dragon]

So a good pair would be the Chsword and the revolver?

[shy rose]

yeah exactly

[orchid hemlock]

A good pair is not taking it 😈

[tall torrent]

Krak + smth like boltgun or helbore

[void dragon]

I'm TRYING to be positive! It's already bad that mk5 shovel is garbo

[shy rose]

revolver deals perfectly fien with carapase too but those are also options xD

[orchid hemlock]

How is Rashad now?

Because PS seems soo cracked ATM that I forgot about my boi 😞

[tall torrent]

It’s back on menu

But

Power sword is so silly rn

Like

U can 2 tap both ragers with light atks

[tall torrent]

Because as it turns out getting +45% damage is a lot

[orchid hemlock]

I refuse to waste ammo on crushers ✋

Not worth my time 🚬

[shy rose]

i feel like you refuse to use ammo in general xD

[void dragon]

2 ammo for a ded crusher even in Havock seems fine, unless you are dealing with the x3 health ones from this rotation, Those are scary

[tall torrent]

Also heavy sweep on chainsword can stagger rager too

[orchid hemlock]

I don't even think you can one shot crushers with hand canon without buffs

[tall torrent]

So it’s quite a bit better vs ragers than before

Now if only zealot’s eviscerator could do the same

Because not having a carapace cleaving blessing really sucks for brawler type melee

[void dragon]

I tried but it falls short, even with buffs Im afraid

It leaves them to be slapped by the ogryn

But no one shot

[orchid hemlock]

Perfect Strike 😈

Do 2 damage

[tall torrent]

Yea only for eviscerator and heavy sword

[orchid hemlock]

But it goes thru them

[tall torrent]

Which is like

[orchid hemlock]

[tall torrent]

Neither is particularly amazing vs armor lol

Evis can at least 1 tap crushers with FotF ig

But I like new shroudfield more for big damage hits

[void dragon]

Can the Thammer One-shot new crushers?

[orchid hemlock]

Nooo stealth is getting buffed 😭

Obese Megalodon pls get rid of this shitty ability

[tall torrent]

Yes with 4 martyr + full thrust + 5 headtaker + 5 sustained assault

It’s not reliable tho

I played mainly martyr TH yesterday for event

[trim lantern]

Me, who likes aggressive stealth:

[tall torrent]

TH still unfortunately mid

[trim lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-spy-spy-tf2-gentlemen-gif-18144778

[tall torrent]

They made it able to stagger rager with heavy sweep but

It’s still so bad vs elites lol

[orchid hemlock]

That's even worse 😞

[orchid hemlock]

Arbi still king at impact I see

[trim lantern]

Using a Shotgun, Catachan Sword, and Smoke Grenades can help make you immensely deadly in close combat

I love using it to force enemies to focus on me over my teammates, when needed

[orchid hemlock]

Doesn't stealth do the exact opposite of what you are describing?

[trim lantern]

Not really.

[orchid hemlock]

The real stealth understander has logged into the chat 😈

[viscid flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFnHMiFIIQM

[trim lantern]

It's most useful for "picking your fights," not "sneaking around."

[orchid hemlock]

"without buffs"

Also please never link a mister cringE video to me ever again

Thx 🙏🏻

[trim lantern]

Think of it like "TIME OUT - TIME IN!"

[orchid hemlock]

No

[viscid flax]

i dont like him as well, but oneshot crushers with zarona is possible

i dont like the build though

[orchid hemlock]

No I understand why you linked it to me

I just have PTSD of him 💀

[viscid flax]

played 2 matches with this build.. its kind of fun but.. u can not do 100% HS

and 6 shots is still just 6 shots, even with quick reloads

[orchid hemlock]

Revolver fundamentally never changed, just crusher health increased

You still want WS on it

And the buffs you get on right side with PS are insane

So revolver is very clean atm

[viscid flax]

i guess i will go with the melee heavy builds, again... which is kinda sad

[orchid hemlock]

But in havocs where breakpoints are fucked, it's very hard to use it 😞

[turbid ibex]

Playstation buffs

[viscid flax]

btw, can u still make recon lasgun builds work?

seems like they kind of screwed them a little

[tall torrent]

I think MMF genuinely a good choice if ur ok with dumping one 25 TGH node and being forced to path mid picks to get to MMF

[orchid hemlock]

Yes ofc it barley changed

If anything it got buffed because now all of the nice nodes on the right side also buff your melee 💀

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

You actually can take a keystone now too 👏

[viscid flax]

will check that out, its not a bolter but i like the pewpewpewpew feel

(and good ammo eco)

[tall torrent]

I run boltgun with krak now

[orchid hemlock]

Onslaught is also much easier to take 👏

Shitty node on 99% of the weapons in the game

But for XII

😈

Melees I'm still testing out

But I just like Rashad with WS

PS is still the best by far tho 😞

Truly we live in a society

[tall torrent]

U will power sword 24/7 and u will like it

[viscid flax]

i just wanted to ask, why the rashad on the recon build

just bcs u like it?

[tall torrent]

FS when making power falchion:

[neon current]

@tall torrent are there any BPs for new bolter?

[orchid hemlock]

You can take PS or DS or Knife here

All will work

Rashad has the second best wave clear

That's why I take it

[void dragon]

What boltgun? The new exploding one?

[tall torrent]

Old one, mk2b

[void dragon]

Really? How is your build now? And why no more frags?

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah the most disappointing part of this patch are the new bolt marks

[formal hamlet]

How are you guys finding the falchion? I like the non-power damage being useable (at least on the difficulties I tried), and blocking when activating is nice to have.

[orchid hemlock]

"wave clear version of the one shitting weapons" 😈

[neon current]

PF is pretty meh

[tall torrent]

Because I can’t be bothered to waste ammo on crusher with boltgun

[neon current]

it's like a better heavy sword

[orchid hemlock]

5/10 👏

[void dragon]

Honestly? Makes sense, those jerks are FAT

[orchid hemlock]

Doesn't dethrone any of Vet's best weapons

[serene sage]

in theory pinning fire surgical still goes hard against crushers tbh

[formal hamlet]

I thought it might replace the power sword.

[void dragon]

You can 5 shot kill new crusher with exe stance, still quite bothersome to do, so I can see the krak appeal

[formal hamlet]

Not having to power it on every 2 seconds is nice for my sanity. Maybe I'm just really used to power sword though, since it still feels better in terms of combos and such.

[tall torrent]

It’s ~half of power sword’s dps

Basically

U turn it on

To experience Rashad’s power for 15s

Then it turns off

It wants the exact same talent spec as Rashad and power sword’s

[formal hamlet]

Interesting.

[tall torrent]

Takes like 4 crit headshots to kill one, I’m just out of that

[formal hamlet]

Also all those nice builds everyone put together are reset because of the talent rework.

[tall torrent]

I already remade mine

[void dragon]

Can you share your new build for the bolter? Would want to try it now that I'm remaking my builds again

[tall torrent]

Went from 4 prepatch to 5 post patch

[neon current]

so what perks I need on new bolter if any

[tall torrent]

Tac axe VII + boltgun IIb

[frosty kayak]

Is the vigilant autogun viable on higher difficulty?

[sudden cedar]

Always has been.

[orchid hemlock]

Is tac axe blessings for vet the same as zealot? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Headtaker + BM

[frosty kayak]

Skipped out on it for a bit but tried it out today and was surprised

[orchid hemlock]

Wait is tac axe S tier on Vet?

I never used it after they got buffed 💀

[void dragon]

Does the marksman keystone works well with the bolter? I think I run mine with focus fire

[neon current]

no

[tall torrent]

I think it’s top 3 melee on vet rn after PS6 and Rashad

[orchid hemlock]

I just was soo happy to use them on Zealot that I never tired it

[neon current]

taxe got like 10-15% better

[grand perch]

for me it is
i think A tier is more objective

[neon current]

doesn't make it S tier suddenly

it's a rock solid all-rounder

[tall torrent]

It’s top 3 because u can skip talents for it

[rough adder]

Not shred + BM ?

[tall torrent]

It’s basically the best budget melee

[tall torrent]

Shred is ok too but I prefer headtaker

U crit once every 3 atks with it anyway

Even without reciprocity

[orchid hemlock]

Shred users when they miss:

[rough adder]

Or is it that we have more crit by talents so shred is not that useful anymore

[orchid hemlock]

I don't even take shred on fury zealot

[rough adder]

Ah yeah, I'll go switch it out later

[cedar imp]

What would be you guys top 3 (in order) recommendations for Veteran melee except the duelling sword?

[tall torrent]

Vet got 5% crit node baked in so if u take desperado rn u get 20% base

Tac axe has +12% from 80% crit bonus

That’s 32% without reciprocity

[orchid hemlock]

PS PS and PS 😈👏

[tall torrent]

With reciprocity it gets to 57%

[cedar imp]

Fair lmao

[tall torrent]

Which is good enough usually

[tall torrent]

Power sword VI (best dps)
Combat axe III (dps + stagger)
Tactical axe VII (budget)

[cedar imp]

what to rock on those axes? Brutal momentum + wat?

[tall torrent]

Headtaker

[mint talon]

Speaking of melee weapons. Anyone have the scoop on shovels? Mark, perks and blessings?

[tall torrent]

all of them are gaslighting tier

[cedar imp]

What do you guys feel about the power falchion?

[tall torrent]

Mediocre

[cedar imp]

So far I feel a bit underwhelmed by it, idk if I didnt find the secret sauce

[tame lodge]

Bad

[cedar imp]

but its like c tier to me

[cedar imp]

man

[tall torrent]

Maybe 4th best melee on vet? But it’s pretty far from the top

[tame lodge]

Not worth the 10 months wait

Like legit

10 months for this

[tall torrent]

If it had sunder and did 2x its current dps it would have been worth the 10 months’ wait

lol

[tame lodge]

And mk1 is almost a 1:1 of RB mk10's move set

But we waited 10 months for this

I'm starting to think the people that wanted a ranged weapon were right

🚬

[tall torrent]

To make good melee weapons on vet they have to make roughly equal in power as the power sword

And they’re afraid of doing that

Or nerfing the power sword

[pseudo fiber]

And they can't do that

[tame lodge]

Because Fatshark shat the bed so hard

[pseudo fiber]

Fatshark enjoys the steam rating being blue

[tall torrent]

So basically
FatShark when designing power falchion:
You will power sword VI 24/7 and you will like it

[cedar imp]

Combat axe 3 perks?

flak n carapace or sumthing else?

[tame lodge]

Heard you guys didn't like to activate Psword every 3 hits

So fuck you

[tall torrent]

Unarmored carapace
Tho I think u could maybe drop unarmored for unyielding?

[tame lodge]

Here's power midion

[cedar imp]

lmao

[cedar imp]

I mean would be fine if could have done more often mid combo, with energized hits baked in

[pseudo fiber]

Give power Falchion some more Carapace and well be laughing

Not laughing

[cedar imp]

OG powersword, only needed more fluidity and more expression

[tame lodge]

Falchion needs a bit more attack speed

I know it looks bulky

But c'mon

[cedar imp]

doing the exact 2 same combos all the time with pressing ze button everytime is worse fate than death

[tame lodge]

It's basically a saber

[tall torrent]

Nah it needs to do straight up double

On almost everything

[pseudo fiber]

Taking two swings to kill trash sometimes feels not great ill agree

[tall torrent]

And it should have better blessings

[pseudo fiber]

Real

[tame lodge]

The blessing selection is really fucked up

People are taking wrath on it

[pseudo fiber]

Looking at the blessing list like

[tame lodge]

Also

Do we have the cleave numbers

[pseudo fiber]

I'm doing cranial heatsink which is fine honestly

It does its job

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's Relic Blade 101

[elder vessel]

I got wrath decapitator

[neon current]

you don't need wrath anymore

[tall torrent]

Decapitator 💀

[tame lodge]

Oh you poor thing

[neon current]

with 50% from tree, rampage is better

[elder vessel]

If we just had headtaker on this bitch

[neon current]

oh wait

thats zealot

[tame lodge]

Exactly

Wrath is shit

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t be enough

[neon current]

relic blessing pool is dogshit

so falchion as well

[elder vessel]

I dont need headtaker slaughterer combo but pls a crumb mr shark pls

[pseudo fiber]

Would they ever change the blessing pool though

[tall torrent]

No

[neon current]

no

[tall torrent]

They can rework blessings tho

[neon current]

they didn't want relic to have "mandatory" blessings

so they gave it all shit ones

[elder vessel]

whats wrong with decapitator? seems fine enough on paper

[tame lodge]

Yeah like DevaStrike

Or BM

[neon current]

falchion just got caught as collateral

[tame lodge]

Those got reworked

[tame lodge]

On paper

[tall torrent]

U cannot activate it on enemies that are not full health

Otherwise it’s not a true 1 shot

It only works from true 1 shots

[elder vessel]

uh yeah

[pseudo fiber]

So it's got overload on it??????

[elder vessel]

thats why I said that

[neon current]

honestly, I think overload is one the best

[tame lodge]

Overload is not

[neon current]

I have overlaod rampage

[tame lodge]

[neon current]

it is

ebcause I am lazy to turn it off

[tame lodge]

Yeah so

You're not playing optimally

So yeah

Overload is not good

[tall torrent]

Overload is very underrated

[neon current]

overload is good

I don't care if you disagree

I am quite used to it

[tame lodge]

Listen

I'm lazy as well

[neon current]

I think so yea, it's the best QoL blessing for

[tame lodge]

I run Overload Heatsink

[tall torrent]

Overload is good because the stagger is enough to stagger rager and mauler

[neon current]

heatstink is useless tho

[tame lodge]

Because fuck managing heat

But overload is not good

[tall torrent]

Heatsink is dogshit

[neon current]

NO FUCKIN BLESSING IS GOOD on relic

[tall torrent]

Overload is underrated

[neon current]

they all shit

[elder vessel]

reduce heat by 25% sounds like the best part of overload but id rather just avoid overheating to begin with

[neon current]

rampage is okay

[tame lodge]

[tame lodge]

Yes exactly

[elder vessel]

so I can always have my activate available

[tame lodge]

You don't want to overheat the relic blade

[neon current]

that's how you get a balanced blessing pool, you make em all shit

so it don't matter what you pick

[sudden cedar]

@neon current Wrath and Cranial Grounding.

[tame lodge]

Overload only works if you do

[elder vessel]

or all the good ones

[neon current]

I have that on the mk10, rampage overload on 2

[tame lodge]

So basically it does nothing for optimized play

Overload is not good

🚬

[elder vessel]

like headtaker, rampage, slaughterer, sweep, bromentum

[tall torrent]

Yk smth cool they could do?
Make the heat meter stay at 100% overheat state and instantly drop to 0% once overheat lockout passes

And buff energy leakage to give more strength

[tame lodge]

Ooh

Now we are talking

I like power leakage

[elder vessel]

blessing that gives you burn stks when your sword is locked out

[tall torrent]

I think energy leakage should give more strength than it does rn, and also have a separate strength bonus that’s 2x its value when the weapon is not in an activated state

Basically power cycler but heat

[pseudo fiber]

The moveset of the falchions is good it needs that oomf from something

[neon current]

am I the only one, who likes the 2b over the 1 tho?

but than again, I use the relic2 as well

[tame lodge]

I don't like Falchion

[elder vessel]

the 2 huh over the who

[tame lodge]

So

[wise fjord]

What do you all think about the new Power falchion.

[neon current]

weapon is fine

[tame lodge]

Bad

[neon current]

moveset is fine

needs damage

[tame lodge]

For 10 months

Bad

[rough adder]

Cool moveset, but too short

[elder vessel]

Good but probably not meta

[pseudo fiber]

I thought it was the 3b

Either waybyes that one is way better imho

[tame lodge]

Bad and not meta

[pseudo fiber]

Meta but... bad?

[tame lodge]

Uh

That's

Tactical Axe

[wise fjord]

Yeah still the old power sword is still meta.

[tame lodge]

Btw

[neon current]

well I wouldn't say much better, they both have decent movesets

[tame lodge]

They removed the cap of Orestes 12 lights

[pseudo fiber]

It's coughing baby v nuclear bomb

[grand perch]

did anyone math yet if armourbane gives 1 less shot needed against notable enemies with the new hp buffs?

[elder vessel]

did they remove the cap of orestes 4 heavies?

[tame lodge]

Apparently no

[wise fjord]

Same

Dame

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-spamton-deltarune-delta-rune-deltarune-spamton-laughing-gif-1914013068898583024

[tame lodge]

So Orestes 4 is the good one but I gotta call it shit because capped weapons are shit

[tall torrent]

They made IV’s push atk’s stagger better and can now stagger rager

Unfortunately

[tame lodge]

Orestes 12 is bad

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe still mid at best lol

[tame lodge]

That being said

[elder vessel]

I listen not to the haters

[tame lodge]

Mk4 stacked kills 2 poxxers per heavy and really hurt a 3rd

Orestes 12 lights hurt the first target and tickles everything else

(dogshit falloff)

[tall torrent]

Given the amount of time u gotta be locked to an animation with rev attacks they should do smth like double their current damage lol

[grand perch]

god i wish competitive urge wasnt dependant on basically random chance

its the difference to make helbore IV crusher oneshots possible

[pseudo fiber]

Keep gambling

https://tenor.com/view/angry-birds-gif-12007401521632546156

[grand perch]

hang on i forgot about fire team

[tame lodge]

Gamble harder

Luck is a myth

You're in control

Gamble harder

[barren nimbus]

The constant missions crashing at the end for everyone is crazy

[grand perch]

yeah fire team's enough with this build

[pseudo fiber]

Iamdivineiamdivineiamdivine

[grand perch]

just needs all the buffs and max range

[tame lodge]

Another helby w

As always

[grand perch]

fun fact

at 21m you lack just enough damage that infernus kills the crusher with burn dot

infernus viable on helbore confirmed

at 20m they survive with 13 hp after infernus

[elder vessel]

Loose Cannon remains the best veteran personality

[tall torrent]

6 stack FT 💀

[grand perch]

he knows the exceptional individuals get killed sooner

[elder vessel]

I have more stacks than you

[pseudo fiber]

I agree best voice by far

They added new praise lines

"What was that? Did they owe you money?!" Made me laugh

[tall torrent]

Taking 6 stack FT in new vet tree gotta be trolling

[maiden wolf]

Pov i cant read trough skills but this looks good Aaaaah Build

[elder vessel]

ong do i not give a damn bro

I wanted 6 stack focus target

im running it

[grand perch]

just testing if its possible to reach that magic BP

[elder vessel]

god gave me my skill tree and I will put my points where I want to

[void dragon]

Why they reduced it to 6? I recall Focus target could reach to 8

[grand perch]

its a buff

[tame lodge]

"You seE?"

Hahaha

[tall torrent]

Because 8 stack was trolling

[grand perch]

you get faster stacks now and they do a bit more

[scenic vapor]

And is it?

[tame lodge]

Savants delivery is gold

[tall torrent]

So they wanted to make it more accessible

[elder vessel]

they increased the buffs and the regen speed

[grand perch]

yes, see the video. burn dot kills crushers with all buffs at max from 21 meters out

not worth it for actual play though imo

[void dragon]

Yeah, but an entire perk to get ONE MORE stack seems equally dumb, maybe they should change it to make team also debuff for one stack all times they mark?

[scenic vapor]

Fun to know tho

[tall torrent]

However it still takes 8s of not tagging anything (trolling) to max stack with the 6 stack upgrade

[elder vessel]

2 more stacks

base is 4

[grand perch]

they should include less time per stack regen with that node

[void dragon]

It's not 5? ObeseFish LIED to me AGAIN!

[elder vessel]

no they included that in the patchnotes

[void dragon]

I mean in the in-game description

Who reads patch notes anyway?

[elder vessel]

stacks 4thly

[tall torrent]

They did and it wasn’t enough

It’s better than it used to be

[void dragon]

See? No reading patch notes send me to the right path (thanks for the correction mate)

[scenic vapor]

I fell like bp on crushers are kinda poitless since thay have so much hp. To many points and bllesings to deal with one type of enemy

[grand perch]

not what i meant. i mean the subnode:

it should give further stack regen acceleration

[elder vessel]

mfs spending their life savings so they can 1 shot crushers while I simply hit them twice

[void dragon]

"Time to generate stacks is reduced by half" kind of thing?

[grand perch]

something like that

[tall torrent]

Yea taking this needs u to not tag anything for 8s to bank all 6 stacks

Which is like

Trolling

[void dragon]

And then there are the intellectuals that use Kraks on them

[grand perch]

i feel like youre not getting me path

[hollow ibex]

tried FF and it still feels like ass

second vet rework when

[void dragon]

Lizard say "replace this node for one new that cuts the time to generate stacks"

[tall torrent]

No I get it
I think the keystone’s min refresh mechanic needs a touch up

[grand perch]

im saying: the subnode that gives 6 stacks should also lessen the time each stack needs to regen. so you take the same time to regen 6 stacks as you do 4 without the subnode

[tall torrent]

Should be recovering X number of stacks from min refresh

[grand perch]

or that, yeah

bottom line is, its stupid that you need more time for more stacks, it should be equal time for more stacks since you pay the point for it

[void dragon]

"On kill of the target you gain X stacks"

And the subnode increases X

[serene bough]

Wouldn't that just make the subnode mandatory at that point though

Like if it replenishes faster to be similar to default node its just more dmg

[grand perch]

i think that would be very reasonable

[plucky linden]

plasma was nerfed in last few months, right? Can someone explain the use case for light and charged plasma shots now, please?

[tame lodge]

It wasn't

Just M1 everything

[plucky linden]

oh, so still light attack spam. got it, ty

[rocky jacinth]

he thinks it was nerfed

[grand perch]

havent tried it yet but someone said some exec plasma build can oneshot crusher with charged shot

[tame lodge]

Yeah uh
Chinese drama

[ornate glen]

Anyone else encountered sudden crashes caused by plasmagun in havoc? All party members are affected by this.

[rocky jacinth]

everything everywhere was buffed to the max, darktide patches are like a shonen anime

[midnight wyvern]

that was probably me, and it can

quite funny

[elder vessel]

So new boltgun?

[midnight wyvern]

bad

[elder vessel]

wow

thank you for the conversation

so new bolt pistol?

[midnight wyvern]

also bad

they've good stagger but I see no reason to use them over the originals

[hollow ibex]

the AOE seems kinda sad

[midnight wyvern]

it is

[rocky jacinth]

to summarize the new patch, everything that was bad is now better, everything that was good is now twice as good, which means that everything that was bad and is now better is still actually bad

[midnight wyvern]

max buffs stacking on the Bolter with pinning fire and shrimp the AoE does like 190-200

crazy

[rocky jacinth]

falchion sucks, but dsword is now S tier horde clear on top of having the special utility built into the main moveset AND it got a parry

FATSHAAAAAARK

[midnight wyvern]

Falchion is fine

[elder vessel]

its got less damage, slower fire rate... less mag size, same reload speed...... what were they trying to make with this?

[midnight wyvern]

sadness

they succeeded

[elder vessel]

this is just an objectively inferior copy

[midnight wyvern]

the stagger is funny

thats it

but why stagger when you could kill

[spark helm]

Because you can. Yall act like it's the end of the world every time.

[tropic halo]

Now I wish I had a hellbore skin because the weapon is so good to use with new tree

[rocky jacinth]

it's fine like the chainsword is fine, it's good but the alternatives are busted

[hollow ibex]

i tested it on a ranged shooter build... it's pretty ass

needs a dedicated melee build lol

[midnight wyvern]

majority of what people talk about in terms of good or bad is havoc

and if you're useless in havoc because you brought a bad gun

you're not being useful

whodathunk

[spark helm]

Havoc not the only thing that exists so big shrug I suppose.

[tall torrent]

It’s more accurate and doesn’t burst in hipfire, and can open bulwark in 1 shot
That’s about it

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[midnight wyvern]

I don't mind it on a few of my builds, kills things

probably be better off with PS

but im living a little

[elder vessel]

increased damage

where

[midnight wyvern]

increased AoE damage

technically right

it does do more, in a wider area, doesn't mean it does enough

lol

[spark helm]

...? Like you're asking about where's the damage then dropping a picture of two weapon marks.

[eternal venture]

Which means it’s not bad

lol

[spark helm]

Yall be killing me with this lmao

[eternal venture]

Y’all gotta stop spreading this hyperbole!!!!!!!!

[elder vessel]

does it do the aoe damage to the target it hits?

[orchid hemlock]

Increased AOE damage

Ah yes

Thank you fatshark for giving us a "wave clearing" weapon 💀

[eternal venture]

So long as you can bring something to a havoc 35-40 and not actually grief your team, I personally think it’s “fine”

[midnight wyvern]

maybe

[rocky jacinth]

listen fam, it's like comparing a Toyota hiace to a Nissan GTR, both are really good but you just so happen to be on a race track

[spark helm]

Probably not a good idea to compare cars to video games but np I'm just being facetious anyway. It's just a funny argument to whip out when there's worlds of reasons why someone would take a "lesser" car.

[eternal venture]

Yeah except this game is just about completing the lap in a reasonable and consistent timeframe, instead of winning the race

Unless you are knife zealot

[orchid hemlock]

Soo much hate in this world

[eternal venture]

In which case you are literally racing

[orchid hemlock]

No fight everyone pls

[plucky linden]

So how's new bolter? Tons of stagger/aoe from what Im seeing in test.

[grand perch]

oh yeah? fite me

[orchid hemlock]

1v1 me no items

[midnight wyvern]

imagine purgatus staff

[orchid hemlock]

Dogwater

[eternal venture]

The actual grief

[midnight wyvern]

and then forget that

[eternal venture]

Is Infiltrate

[midnight wyvern]

hope that helps

[eternal venture]

[spark helm]

I sleep forever.

It's still just sort of meh so far. Haven't played around with it enough.

[orchid hemlock]

Why tf would you want to have a weapon that melts bosses and then be like: "yeah let's remove that"

[midnight wyvern]

no

[spark helm]

They really could've just said fuck it and merged other modifiers for it but didn't.

[marble mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/flip-off-gif-3802266651235939580

[spark cipher]

So they made a devils claw but actually good

[eternal venture]

Haven’t messed with it in havoc yet, but there’s basically no reason I can see to bring Infil when the other two options exist

[grand perch]

imagine dclaw got heavy sword levels of damage vs everything but cara and get DS parry on top

[eternal venture]

One of the intended synergies (according to a playtester in the zealot channel) is Infiltrate + the ranged backstab talent

[elder vessel]

so you're telling me the dsword nerf was barely a nerf

[marble mantle]

Something different

[hollow ibex]

wait in what world does DS have S tier horde clear lol

[midnight wyvern]

actually, unironically maybe lmao

[hollow ibex]

that's new to me

[eternal venture]

But at that point… just bring Exe

[midnight wyvern]

not all the time

[orchid hemlock]

If you believe hard enough 😈

[rocky jacinth]

i'm telling you it was a buff

[spark helm]

Someone can always just have a reason. I could care less about havoc as a sole metric because that's just nonsense. I'm just speaking on where its at with how it feels.

[midnight wyvern]

but there is another damage tick sometimes

[orchid hemlock]

Welcome to patch week, we the CIA 😈

[eternal venture]

The same world knife does

[hollow ibex]

even knife has better horde clear

[marble mantle]

Fire pfp btw is that Blame! ?

[eternal venture]

“I am pressing a LOT of buttons to stay alive” is killing very slowly but surviving

[orchid hemlock]

Knife is soo back everyone

[eternal venture]

IT IS

[spark helm]

That doesn't mean anything for a build that's going to be exploiting things like infiltrate, movement and dodging to pull it off when they do. Can't stress enough how that argument literally does not matter.

[orchid hemlock]

Bleed talent has 2 stacks now

[hollow ibex]

really is

[marble mantle]

W taste

[eternal venture]

[midnight wyvern]

so yesn't

[orchid hemlock]

Incredible damage

[midnight wyvern]

its like 1/10 times it hits it with the AoE

[rocky jacinth]

try it, grab the talents from the bottom right of the tree, skirmisher, exploit weakness, agile engagement, put rampage on the sword and just mash M1

[midnight wyvern]

for what reason?

I dunno

[orchid hemlock]

Well u c

[elder vessel]

try fiddling with the arming distance?

[orchid hemlock]

We need more wave clear

And when I mean wave clear

I mean no wave clear 😈

[hollow ibex]

how about you test the horde clear against 20 bruisers with a properly built psword

[spark helm]

The problem I'm having with it is just that aside from the shenanigans you can get into from infiltrate, it's still kind of in this spot where I just think that it needs a ittle something extra. Not sure what that could be but it's eh.

[hollow ibex]

and then come back and tell me with a straight face

that it has S tier horde clear

[midnight wyvern]

and it only does it in full auto, so I have a slight feeling the rounds are setting off following rounds

lol

[hybrid plover]

Maybe not s tier in horde clear but

[marble mantle]

How’s the new power sword comparatively?

[rocky jacinth]

in their infinite wisdom, fatshark decided the dsword should now also have high stagger values so you can just club mixed hordes with it

[elder vessel]

1075 within 3m

1182 further away

[hollow ibex]

kinda shit

[eternal venture]

I’ve been trying to figure that out

[elder vessel]

so I think it does?

[hybrid plover]

It actually did get a glow up in horde management

[eternal venture]

Lower cooldown, lingering damage after leaving stealth, suppression on kill from range

[marble mantle]

That sucks, I kinda prefer the mechanics of it. I don’t like having to reactivate my weapon every (4th?) atk.

[eternal venture]

I honestly have no idea

[spark helm]

I might try something a little odd and just go into infiltrate and then finish things off in the left side just to see. idk.

[solar valve]

Thoughts on helbore blessings? @tall torrent

[spark helm]

It won't be as costly on paper I suppose.

[hybrid plover]

And because of the classes overall having access to more damage, honestly, it genuinely feels better than it used to be

[hollow ibex]

it's fine with a melee focused build, not good as a sidearm for a shooter build

[eternal venture]

That’s actually my fantasy build lol. Might try it later when I’m not risking deranking people

[rocky jacinth]

and the new damage talents/old talents you can now grab in every build also boost gun damage so you can just whip out plasma or a revolver and do ridonkulous damage with that, too

[marble mantle]

Weight of fire my beloved

[hybrid plover]

Which, idk how I feel about that

[spark helm]

Just use a lower difficulty ike aurics for the test bed or damnation and creep up from there ig. idk

[marble mantle]

Oh okay, thats alright then. I can work with that.

It also looks fire.

[spark helm]

I don't worship havoc. Can understand why people like it and I'd like to actually get it started but I'm not waiting for people to show up in lobbies or whatever.

[midnight wyvern]

simply have friends

[spark helm]

I do, we go outside.

[willow prairie]

the gatekepe is real

[marble mantle]

I haven’t even done 50 havoc missions yet. I just don’t care that much lol

[willow prairie]

especially in asia server where people can be dogshit 1000 something

[marble mantle]

Once I do 50 havoc missions idk if I’ll do any more. I just want the cosmetics.

[rocky jacinth]

the reason people test and talk about havoc is because it has gapped the difficulty of lower modes so hard that the build crafting there isn't particularly relevant

[spark helm]

got like two people I can think of that actually play darktide but they're not about to be getting thrown into havocs lol

[rocky jacinth]

basically everything works in auric

[marble mantle]

Auric with the new plasma gunners event got me sweating a little anyway

[hidden dune]

https://youtu.be/RFnHMiFIIQM?si=OdjI0BOGLmwI733T can anyone take a look at this build and lmk if it can be viable with the new veteran sword

[eternal venture]

Pretty much this

[hidden dune]

Build looks really fun I want a reason to use the new sword tho

[hollow ibex]

Mr. E so likely shit

[spark helm]

I figured, but it's not like you can't get stress tests out of builds in aurics and malestroms. Like that's just true

[tall torrent]

Same as before

[willow prairie]

themed build lol

[hidden dune]

Is this a common thing

[eternal venture]

The playtesters balance around Havoc, too, so that’s where we are

For better or for worse

[willow prairie]

revolver actually good on exe stance though

[hollow ibex]

most content creators can't build for shit

[willow prairie]

even the fanning one

[hollow ibex]

even before the patch yeah

[midnight wyvern]

no longer a boss deleting meme

[hidden dune]

Darn alright man well thanks, I’ll try out the build anyways for fun

[eternal venture]

This is actually more true now because regular aurics are harder now

[midnight wyvern]

well, still is but can probably do more lmao

[hybrid plover]

He called the shock maul A tier unironically

[willow prairie]

yeah because it can hit breakpoint for shit

who figure

[hybrid plover]

Take that for what you will

Not the arby shock maul

[rocky jacinth]

auric just has much more lenient breakpoints which means that gung ho solo hero builds thrive

[marble mantle]

Hey don’t knock a themed build, that shit be fun sometimes

[hybrid plover]

The regular one

[spark helm]

Those fucking plasma gunners not a joke. I like them but I forget that a lot of people been used to not getting blown up for playing reckless for a while now.

[hidden dune]

I’ve put like hundreds hours in every character besides vet so I genuinely don’t know what’s good for him lol

[eternal venture]

Themed builds are fun!

[hybrid plover]

Shock maul is full on gaslight tier

[willow prairie]

fun for me, not for thee

[spark helm]

So when I just see them orange beams, it doesn't take long before two or three people drop.

[hybrid plover]

Only class that really makes it good is arbitrator

[marble mantle]

I agree. But I’m also autistic so maybe that’s part of it

[spark helm]

themed builds are fun. Nobody owes someone else anything just because they logged into the same game together.

[hybrid plover]

That being said.

That build doesn't look bad actually.

[hidden dune]

What would be a better alternative for melee for that particular build? @hybrid plover

[marble mantle]

Indubitably

[orchid hemlock]

I have Mister E PTSD

😭

[eternal venture]

Nah I gotcha

[marble mantle]

Fuckin fr

[hybrid plover]

Probably tac axe generally. Very generalist melee that just fits on any build

[spark helm]

Granted I barely know anything about 40k, but I just do flavor builds sometimes just because. Can get away with a lot depending on the concept. For some reason I've been playing with blunt weapons and boltguns for a few weeks. Not sure why, just doing it.

[hidden dune]

Never watched him but saw this build and liked it, but I just really don’t wanna use that maul lol

[thorn lark]

He and Tanner broke up apparently

[eternal venture]

I’m always torn between spike and johnny gaming in games

Tanner 🤮

[hidden dune]

Is the new melee for vet any good with specific blessings??

[orchid hemlock]

Few

[marble mantle]

My zealot is a bard that uses chorus and Thunder hammer 😎

[hybrid plover]

Eh

[hidden dune]

Fair enough

[hybrid plover]

Falchion is lacking imho

[spark helm]

Idk who any of these people are. Are these just youtubers that ppl on discord just hate on for popularity points between each other? Are they like a scumbag or something?

[marble mantle]

Phew * not trying to be rude just want to help

[eternal venture]

That’s part of why I want Infil to be good: for a themed sniper stealth build

[marble mantle]

If only we had a longlas

[midnight wyvern]

spreading misinformation is their content career

[orchid hemlock]

Best melees on Vet at the moment are:

PS, Rashad, TAC, Knife, DS

[hidden dune]

What does the tac axe succeed in?? And what blessings are recommended

[midnight wyvern]

[hidden dune]

Thank you

[marble mantle]

Mmmmmmm knife my beloved

[thorn lark]

brutal momentum + headtaker

mk7

[marble mantle]

Knife and infil is a sexy combo

[eternal venture]

Tanner’s psychotic and a bigot and also makes bad builds

[spark helm]

Game nerd woes it is then, got it.

[loud kiln]

Im vetting it

[eternal venture]

That’s all you really need to know

[hidden dune]

Thank you I’ll try this out

[loud kiln]

I'm going to vet it

[eternal venture]

Maybe one day…

[spark helm]

Was expecting some weirdo from the internet bombshell or whatever.

[marble mantle]

I would run it too

[eternal venture]

tbh the only Tide game creator I watch is chocoB

[hidden dune]

Unfortunately he “made” a psyker flame build that I used to perma use and I thought was pretty fun

[thorn lark]

all the taxes are good, but it's best to try with those two blessing, perks you want flak and unarmored i think

[loud kiln]

Any new vet meta since rework?

[hidden dune]

Till I realized it’s kinda just a win button

[eternal venture]

Everything else I just try to figure out on my own, based on testing and community discussion

[spark helm]

if the information is solid enough, I'll peep a video and move on. Most of this content is just accomplished by reading imo.

[thorn lark]

also, push attack followed by h1 is the combo you want

[midnight wyvern]

nope

[eternal venture]

Hehe

[loud kiln]

So it's still VoC an the way?

[willow prairie]

exe is extremely strong now

[midnight wyvern]

VoC WS is still good, its just way better than before

Exe is fine but its team dependant over VoC

[eternal venture]

Exe or VoC, depending on what you find fun or what your team needs

[midnight wyvern]

its very good though

[loud kiln]

I'm so exhausted of VoC ngl

[hybrid plover]

I'll admit, I was curious about Tanner's new video when YouTube algorithm decided to pop him up on my feed again

I hate to say it but he can be right about some things. Dueling sword may have gotten a net buff from the update lol

[hollow ibex]

fuck

[midnight wyvern]

ive been loving it, but these auric teammates make it hard to kill every special and elite on the planet when they can't handle 3 enemies behind me

[hollow ibex]

he's making DT content again?

bruh

[marble mantle]

I think most are

[hidden dune]

Does the parry literally just

Larry everything

Parry

[hybrid plover]

Probably why he popped up

[hollow ibex]

meanwhile it's been months since i've played VOC

[hidden dune]

I haven’t used it since the update

[hybrid plover]

Kinda, ya

[midnight wyvern]

Im already enjoying meme shit with Exe/MMF and plasma

people may not like it but its honest work

[loud kiln]

Like it's cool, but it's been meta for over a year. I'm geniuenly getting tired of using it

[hidden dune]

Even overhead? Loll

[spark helm]

with or without patches, it's just a principally strong choice. But I feel you. I've been rejecting mercenary kruber for years now.

[marble mantle]

Don’t tempt me with a good time

[hidden dune]

Is that not just the same issue

[willow prairie]

I mean it one shot crusher

I don't think it a meme anymore

[thorn lark]

he's butthurt that E has been paid to do the same type of breakdown he did

[hollow ibex]

new mmf feels pretty good ngl

[hidden dune]

Nobody ever really used it for anything else than to stop heavy attacks or stun ragers

Or at least I never did

[tame lodge]

Yes overheads included

Do time it properly though

[hidden dune]

Oh great so nothing changed rlly

[loud kiln]

It just sucks to, it's an obvious choice, even for me

[marble mantle]

What’s the new plasma breakdown? Or is it still the same distribution

[hybrid plover]

Same

[thorn lark]

@hollow ibex

[hollow ibex]

still @tired egret

[marble mantle]

I thought it was getting changed?

[grand perch]

this is what the YT algorithm / AI wants me to make as my next video. are you interested yet?

[hollow ibex]

i love mentally disturbed content creator drama

[spark helm]

People like safety and ease of use. Risk will almost always never be attractive to someone who cna't play with it.

[willow prairie]

i love mentally ill people

they're so hot

[marble mantle]

My unskilled ass playing with the most dangerous shit possible bc of rule of cool

[hidden dune]

https://tenor.com/view/rayman-raving-rabbids-rabbids-rayman-raving-rabbids-dancing-gif-26840400

[thorn lark]

it's called hotism

[marble mantle]

“My girlfriend and I saw you across the bar. We just wanted to say you look fucking insane.”

[plucky linden]

whats the dump stat for Power Falchion? Mobility?

[spark helm]

They'd have to basically spitefully tear the thing down but I don't think it's necessary. They just gotta keep some of what they're doing up I suppose, maybe an artificially reinforced promotion campaign for exestance lmao. Plenty of mfkers are terrified to death of thinking for themselves let alone experimenting so if enough youtubers or whatever do it, best believe others are just gonna follow along.

[marble mantle]

I also like infil because it reminds me of predator, the coolest alien species of all time

[fast shale]

Man Im starting to like the regular shovel with bleeds

[marble mantle]

Sapper shovel is pog

[loud kiln]

The terminally online will never cease to amaze

[marble mantle]

I mean I pulled my girlfriend by being a total autistic weirdo so I’m doin something right

[fast shale]

It can stagger, do decent dmg and clear hordes, maybe is not overkill with crushers but it deals with em fairly nice

[midnight wyvern]

1 shot M1s maulers too

1 shots Plasma gunners

its been noice

[fast shale]

Feels a lot fair to use than 1 or 2 tapping em with ds

[hybrid plover]

It's genuinely pretty good now that you can viably run it without taxing yourself

[fast shale]

Ikrrr

[midnight wyvern]

someone asked about parrying on Ds but my internet crashed so have this now

[loud kiln]

I did the same with my bf (I'm also a dude) don't ask me how knowing everything there is to know about foxes landed me a well off banker

[hybrid plover]

Specially on right side nodes since that's like

45% extra damage on the bleed alone

[scenic vapor]

The vet debate will be just this channel timelapsed.

[native hamlet]

new veteran weapon 🗣🗣💯🔥

[midnight wyvern]

its not an overhead but you can parry those too 💀 lol

[spark helm]

I just like stealth playstyles and all that. Generally speaking, as long as I don't have to struggle against my build itself more than just fighting and enjoying the game, I'm down to play with nearly anything. It's different and actually interesting for me to play around with what the rest of the game has to offer. Some options in combination are just plainly a pain in the ass to use so I don't bother, other stuff genuinely is just more interactive at times and that's what I want to be doing.

[marble mantle]

My knowledge of slam bands and other metal music got me a bag

[rocky jacinth]

have you tried the updated shroudfield?

(on zealot)

[serene sage]

coolest alien species of all time
that's not very "suffer no alien to live" of you
I'm telling the commissar

[spark helm]

I'm about to, that shit looks so sexy on paper. Pretty excited to see what I can do with that since Zealot is much more suited towards the playstyle than infiltrate can be a lot of the time.

[north flicker]

;D

[midnight wyvern]

its really nice in the event with a TH

captain healthbar goes to the ether

[serene sage]

have we had any new tempestus scion armor?

[spark helm]

I imagine TH shroudfield got even better.

[rocky jacinth]

a friend i played with was bouncing with excitement over how it works now with perfectionist

[midnight wyvern]

can instagib DH with even less effort

[spark helm]

Perfectionist made me cover my mouth.

[rocky jacinth]

just going into stealth constantly and chaining kills

[spark helm]

I couldn't believe what I read.

lol

[narrow frost]

you should see mine

[marble mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-predator-gif-14049672

[narrow frost]

why is youtube so bad

who tf wants this

[spark helm]

Can zealot still do the shroudfield tech? You just slide into it right when you do a heavy attack or whatever else and you get another chance to attack again. The point is to just exploit that one interaction as often as you can. Small thing but it's really fun.

[rocky jacinth]

delicious slop

[spark helm]

Not literally sliding, just hitting the button.

[marble mantle]

I want a compilation of people dying to barrels

[willow prairie]

ai slop

[grand perch]

the empty void in place of a thumbnail speaks to me

[narrow frost]

one of my friends got suggestions that were talking about another person

"inside of the mind of bumner"

[spark helm]

If I actually recorded things, I'd drop it. I usually do it to people with fucked up names.

[narrow frost]

"can bumner solo Havoc?"

it was so funny

[marble mantle]

Deserved

[spark helm]

Or when a zealot is being a crybaby. >_>

[grand perch]

WELL CAN HE

[paper salmon]

Wtb recon las pistol for Vet. And Plasma pistol. I need more commissar weapon drip

[grand perch]

dont keep us waiting ainz

[rocky jacinth]

ok, to be honest i'd enjoy watching that first video idea, if it was a joke video where you analyze all the most viewed build videos, arrange them into a tier list and put every single one in shit tier

[rocky jacinth]

except it wouldn't be a joke because it's accurate

[narrow frost]

I am a secret OP

[spark helm]

What happens in Clandestium Gloriana, stays in Clandestium Gloriana.

[spark helm]

That's all imma say.

[narrow frost]

@stone zealot

you getting unmasked

[midnight wyvern]

not a solo T5, that's too hard for solo

[spark helm]

I love that map but it's so mean sometimes.

I forget about the wall pipe explosive barrels and can end up dying because I accidentally double tap it with a weapon while dodging

[hybrid plover]

Speaking of zealot

[spark helm]

Why the fuck are those there besides dev cheekyness? Is that some 40k shit?

Tf they got explosives on pipes for?

[hybrid plover]

Has anyone tried the relic blade with the new sprint speed node and the one that takes away movement penalties on heavies

Can't remember their names

[midnight wyvern]

logically, imagine there is something explosive flowing through it

puncture it and it bad

??

[hybrid plover]

But I 200% recommend it

[pseudo fiber]

They got you in the update files? Damn

[midnight wyvern]

[spark helm]

Probably. like fuel pump or something? I'm not an engineer so my imagination is limited.

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[midnight wyvern]

also I swear they slowed down relic blades attack speed

[willow prairie]

no?

feel the same to me

mkx ST heavy still feel like ass though

[midnight wyvern]

it feels slower at base but faster with everything running

[spark helm]

Power falchion is exclusively for veteran, right?

[midnight wyvern]

no

[tropic halo]

yes

[pseudo fiber]

Maybe

[serene sage]

It's classified

[tropic halo]

Idk he kinda dressed like a scab gunner

[stark cove]

However, he isn’t in the right colours

[gaunt hinge]

youd need the havoc armor to be dressed like anything scab

[stark cove]

Also do you guys know if the blessing that ups the bolt pistol explosion radius affects the new mk of bolt pistol?

[gaunt hinge]

yeah it probably works

but i dont know why youd want to use the new bolt pistol mk

i dont feel like the explosions actually do anything meaningful

[thin stone]

Can someone give an updated build for veteran utilizing shout, lasgun (recon/infantry) and power-sword/power-falchion

I am too PS pilled at this point to use taxe

Guys?

[elder vessel]

tfw 66% of my health gets chucked by a plasma gunner i couldn't see or hear

[elder vessel]

just take all the shid that build took before the update

we got a fat fuck update to the veteran tree and ppl just be shouting they shit

[grand perch]

well since no one else pitched in...but this is untested and i havent decided if i will keep it like that. like, you could get rid of onslaught for on your toes but i need to decide if new crushers isnt worth taking onslaught for the recon meme

[midnight wyvern]

you have the talent tree too

just put stuff on

[willow prairie]

no out for blood?

[void dragon]

Obesefish buffing the kraks and crushers has lead to this day, JOY!

[tall torrent]

OYT better

[willow prairie]

what oyt again

[grand perch]

on your toes

[tall torrent]

Gain 20% of max TGH on triggering either specialist bonus
Cooldown 3s, separate for the 2 specialist bonus types

[willow prairie]

oh on weapon spec

[drifting verge]

So

Set up for falchion

What’s the best variation and allat

[tall torrent]

Either variant
Mobility dump
Unyielding
Carapace
Cranial grounding
Wrath

[drifting verge]

Really?

Thought it energy leak cranium and Maniac carapace

[tall torrent]

Why maniac

[drifting verge]

Ragers mostly

[mighty python]

Anyone got a good infantry autogun build?

[gilded wraith]

Stuck this up somewhere else, but it's typed, so here you go: First, happy with the patch in general. Lots of good changes and consolidation of bloated trees. My main issue is the wildly varying difficulty for proccing each classes ability cooldown regeneration talents.

I'm not opposed to the CDR talent changes, just the range of talent trigger conditions.

Zealot - melee crit against any target (very generous, easy to maintain the entire run)

Psyker - you or ally kill an elite or specialist (very generous, easy to maintain the entire run, no actual action required to trigger if in coherency)

Ogryn - you or ally kill an elite (a bit more restricted, but allies trigger talent as well, no actual action required to trigger if in coherency)

Veteran - you kill a specialist (single most restrictive general CDR trigger in the game, placing you in active competition with teammates, DoTs, and dogs for specialist kills)

So no opposition to the change, but Veteran got the short end of the stick for trigger condition. They have the single worst CDR of any class in the game, and it's not even close. Adding "or ally" to the trigger condition would make a world of difference. They'd still be tied for last place with Ogryn.

[tropic halo]

Only apply to allies or also yourself?

[hybrid plover]

Only allies

Unfortunately.

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-it's-peak-cat-it's-coal-its-peak-its-mid-gif-12295099395828911145

[tall torrent]

It is the weakest CDR but it’s not as bad as this guy is saying because exe stance runs while CD ticks and VoC being as strong as it is, having it spammed less is good

[midnight wyvern]

if they want to keep it stricter for vet, just make it specialists/elites but not proc'able by allies like the others

simple fix

[hybrid plover]

Yeah it's still kind of a non pick.