veteran-class

[eternal venture]

8sec duration from the side talent is very nice

People already used Vet's toughness talents

now you have this on top of all that

very good!

strong!

[steep flower]

Oh i know it is; just calling it ‚insanely good’ is like calling junk food healthy

Its food & its tasty

Just not… ‚insanely’

[eternal venture]

it's more like ranch for your fries

very very nice to have

[normal bay]

People wanted the swap speed as much as o4b. Now you can take confirmed kill and one motion with no tax

It's the tree changes as much as the ability itself

[steep flower]

Believe me they didn’t use all of them; thats what i typed - only ouut for blood and catch a breath; they were not picking infinitelly stscking confirmed kill nor always available tdr from close order drill

[steep flower]

Thats better

[eternal venture]

That's very silly if people weren't taking Confirmed Kill

You can have like 6 stacks of Confirmed Kill ticking at once easily

especially if a shotgun pack shows up

or a wall of gunners

[steep flower]

And they were not grabbing it… for plasma builds or any hard hitting elite hunting weapons

Foolish

[eternal venture]

That's crazy

The talent is right there!!!

Literally no reason not to take Confirmed Kill or Drill

[steep flower]

Like check the pins for ‚meta’ vet builds from the old age and you’ll see stupidity in its prime; and those ppl had the gaul to say vet is bad or that he cannot sustain himself in range combat

[mortal aspen]

it's more like 10 minimum in auric

so much shit to kill

[sacred flare]

There anything about Kraks that I may have missed beside its quicker detonation speed to make it contend with Shredders more in high-diff content or are Shredders generally still more viable?

[steep flower]

In auric; think of havoc

[steep flower]

Both are

[mortal aspen]

yep

vet regen is crayzy

[sacred flare]

Ah, so just pop all the grenade talents and start chucking then

[steep flower]

Now you have actual blitz choice for vet

Yes

[frank basin]

hello, ve ta rum

[sacred flare]

I'm not running super high Havocs at least but in Aurics, I still felt like I was still kinda being a little too slow on killing the heavier dudes since I can't let go of the shovel (and melee nodes means less ranged damage to stack with plasma)

so had to start seeing if Kraks are much more worthwhile now to throw at some of those crowds when plasma wasn't completely cutting it either LOL

[steep flower]

Which shovel?

[frank basin]

scabma, fair and balance

[tardy vine]

is hot-shot blessing useful?

[steep flower]

Nah

[midnight wyvern]

Was broken for a while but not useful anymore lol

[sacred flare]

MkI because I run it with Impact blessings for the dopamine of knocking a crowd of carapace on their ass, so I have to find other means to actually kill them if the team isn't able to capitalize on it

[tardy vine]

why is it weak spots only lmao

[willow prairie]

Run uncanny on shovel

use push attack

[midnight wyvern]

Profit

[frank basin]

hehe, helbore in dungeon crawler game

[sacred flare]

anything I should particularly replace with Uncanny or is it just either one lol

[frank basin]

more impact

you must want brutality them

[willow prairie]

trauma

honestly ill say replace both of them but you do you

I recommend remove trauma for uncanny at least

[willow prairie]

REAL

[frank basin]

weakbore

strongest helbore in the game

now... im going make neovolkite pistol

[tardy vine]

helbore is still kinda ass

supposed to be buffed

[frank basin]

i still use them

[tardy vine]

do you generally think they are good or are u just high on copium?

[steep flower]

They are like… one of the best ranged options for vet for a long time now

[frank basin]

i make specialist build each

helbore belong to my sniper build loadout

[tardy vine]

also its funny how mk14 recon have more cleave

[frank basin]

the heavy?

or the fast?

[tardy vine]

heavy

[frank basin]

i love that one

[viscid salmon]

anyone know if brittleness from shattering impact on the new boltgun applies only to the target hit or to the ones hit by AoE as well? Puncture only affects direct hit target so id assume that shattering impact only applies to the target hit as well

[frank basin]

onslaught shattering impact

[steep flower]

Try Mk III shovel
Flak + Carapace
Decimator + Skullcrusher
Won’t have that much impact like that but it will kill stuff, including carapace

[sly orchid]

only direct hit

[viscid salmon]

i see

im kinda on the fence between pinning fire + puncture or pinning fire + shattering

[steep flower]

Still best combo so good choice

[viscid salmon]

more going towards puncture

[sly orchid]

pinning fire shattering

since pinning fire is per enemy staggered

[viscid salmon]

getting pinning fire going on the new boltgun is so funny, single round is able to insta give 5 stacks

ill try out shattering, might help with chewing through the armor since its got worse finnese and less damage from what they said

if i dont like it, good ol puncture still exists

as for the falchion, the blessings are fucking weird, and the moveset is also kinda weird

[steep flower]

Worse for dmg tho; explosion dmg is not high enough to be viable for vasting ammo on chaf/elites - option is present but i dunno if thats better than just magdump with the original
Bolt pistol tho; that ones good

[sly orchid]

the blessings are based on relic blade

[viscid salmon]

it looks interesting but why couldnt they just done similar moveset to the psyker greatsword, wide lights with uninterrupted strikedown heavies

[sly orchid]

but it also has decapitator

[steep flower]

Shattering & puncture does vs any enemy you fight & helps you save ammo due to bleed; still best combo

[steep flower]

Use Lawbringer
Light Heavy Repeat for singles
Push Att Light Repeat for hordes
Ez

[viscid salmon]

i see the explosion damage as purely a tool to kick off pinning fire. The damage is low enough to not matter but the explosion radius is pretty large enough where one round into mixed horde or mauler horde is gonna be enough to kick off max stacks pinning

it does like 50-70 explosive damage which is just pathetic

[steep flower]

Cranial grounding & wrath blessings
Maniac & Flak perks
Dump mobility
You’re set; don’t even need att spd buffs its fast enough

[viscid salmon]

yea i am, i kinda like the light attack moveset more than the aridin since the aridin goes for a stab which kinda interrupts the lights. Plus on aridin for horde clear its L1 L2 H3 L2

which is kinda eh

id rather just ooga booga press LMB

[viscid salmon]

is the cleave so ass that you need wrath?

[sly orchid]

pinning fire has constant uptime btw :)

[viscid salmon]

yea id imagine so

outside of crushers it and big bois it should hopefully just stagger the fuck out of everything

plus it does feel more controllable due to the lower RoF and at a glance lower recoil

but that could just be due to the RoF

[steep flower]

If you’re only gonna use powered up then i guess not

[viscid salmon]

decapitator could be kinda funny for crit build

[sly orchid]

ehh

ive been told decapitator only works on enemies that havent taken any damage

[placid portal]

Marksmen focus actually good?

[viscid salmon]

would make sense with the tooltip specifying "oneshotting"

[steep flower]

Oh yeah

[zealous jolt]

1 purge staff is all it takes to make the perk useless then?

[sly orchid]

yes

[normal bay]

One staff psyker and this node is worthless

Damn, beaten to it

[zealous jolt]

But with how shitty the damage is on the falc 1 shots aren’t that common anyways

Took me like 4 hits to kill a shotgunner

[viscid salmon]

the thing is idk what to use for the blessings on it. Cranial grounding sounds like a good choice thanks to the weakspot bonus as well but its a chained weakspot so id assume on missing heads it resets. Heatsink it just ooga booga crit/head, so its ok. Energy leakage does give free strength, but the uptime on 20% strenght is super low. Energy Transfer doesnt interest me since i mainly dodge and go less for perfect blocks. Same with counterattack, Wrath is always a choice but if im running powered up sword then idk

[willow prairie]

cranial id for activation uptime

heat sink is for activation downtime

[viscid salmon]

i was thinking heatsink+cranial for more uptime on the powered up mode

[willow prairie]

energy leakage is bad

heatsink + cranial might sound good on paper until you realize that heat sink work at 1/5 efficiency when activated

wrath + cranial is the best since it good balance of more activation uptime and making non activation not bad

[viscid salmon]

fair enough, thanks @willow prairie and @steep flower

btw why does it only work at fifth of the efficiency?

spaghetti code or on purpose?

[willow prairie]

on purpose iirc

at best it gain like 1 extra seconds of activation

[sacred yacht]

All my vet builds need fixing 😭

[midnight wyvern]

should be better than they were before

[sacred flare]

I more or less defaulted back to that since having one Impact blessing has like no real discernable difference LOL

[zealous jolt]

Im missing a lot of heads with the falc for some reason

[sacred flare]

everything short of a crusher still gets launched on their ass

[midnight wyvern]

have you tried aiming for heads

[zealous jolt]

It’s probably the heavy attack putting enemies in the ground

[viscid salmon]

i fucking adore the changes to the vet talent tree

[zealous jolt]

On*

[viscid salmon]

all the shit i had to spare points on got moved up

stuff is closer to one another

[sacred flare]

Gonna miss bullying Crushers with a shovel but killing them is a lot more important

[viscid salmon]

my general vet funny was just "see how many shredders you can throw within the span of one mixed horde"

[zealous jolt]

Vet feels like it got the biggest spike compared to the other classes

[willow prairie]

vet is strongest class rn yeah

[zealous jolt]

Yup feels like it

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[sacred flare]

by a large margin or?

[zealous jolt]

Zealot survives better

But vets damage is just nuts rn

All my fastest ops were with full vet teams

[sacred yacht]

I have to redo all my classes 😭

[viscid salmon]

oh yea whats the opinion on Skirmisher talent? because i can basically keep it active now 24/7 thanks to slides, but idk how big an increase in the grand scheme of things it is when it says it buffs only base damage

[zealous jolt]

I would say so

[midnight wyvern]

base damage is the best to increase

[viscid salmon]

oh wonderful

[midnight wyvern]

other things multiply off the base damage, the higher the base damage is the higher they scale

[zealous jolt]

It’s my favourite clsss but It does need a little nerf

Maybe not a little

[sacred flare]

inb4 FS adds taxes back

[steep flower]

Untill you see tactical awareness

[zealous jolt]

yea the shout cd nerf is noticeablle

but the class just has so much damage compared to the rest

[steep flower]

So on that boltgun build we were discusing yesterday close quater killzone will be just better than 3 more shots

[mortal aspen]

Exe stance is infinite even with CDR change

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-por-que-no-gif-23322568

[sacred flare]

I've admittedly not noticed a difference in damage output but I've also just been cruising with just smacking things with a shovel

[zealous jolt]

u taking the bottom right tree stuff?

[sacred flare]

I just know Infiltrate feels bad for some reason now, I think?

[zealous jolt]

damage tech is mostly there

[midnight wyvern]

also CQKZ is close damage not base

killzone is base

lol

[sacred flare]

oh yeah it's bottom right

[steep flower]

Oh…

[steep flower]

Sad time it is then

[midnight wyvern]

would be nice if the CD on killzone wasn't 8 seconds lol

or if blocking worked

[steep flower]

Imagine how much better PBB would be if it would be base dmg not close dmg

[sacred flare]

has anyone had much of an experience with the twinned grenades perk or does 20% still feel unnoticeable most the time

(outside of just stocking an extra nade)

[midnight wyvern]

it do be a 20% chance

and I doubt it has RNG protection

[steep flower]

Good for shredders; for others not so much

Still worth cause extra grenade

[midnight wyvern]

so you're rolling a 1/5 every time you throw a nade, its funny on kraks too but doesn't go off often enough AND Kraks dont track bosses cuz this game is a scam

[sacred flare]

extra nade do let you be extra liberal with em

sometimes the nades get regen'd so fast that i don't even notice I got 3 again

[frank basin]

yeah im playing demoman

[sacred flare]

last assassination mission, we had 2 ammo crates just sitting there

I just kept throwing Kraks the entire time honestly

[scenic solstice]

these plasma roles hurt

im so unlucky

😭 🙏

cant find one that dumps charge rate

[midnight wyvern]

@tired egret

[midnight wyvern]

true that

or 4

[placid portal]

Krak buff is much appreciated ngl, faster fuse detonation is big

[midnight wyvern]

nade tinkerer on smokes with all the regen stuff on exe stance is criminal

since you dont need to throw them very often because they last for 30 seconds

[sacred flare]

let's just turn them into the arbitrator's softballs, homes and detonates on impact

[midnight wyvern]

so you always have too many

[midnight wyvern]

all they need to do is track unyielding and ill be happy

[placid portal]

new Vet melee weapon, about time 😎

[midnight wyvern]

they're otherwise good, arb nade level easy stagger of bosses

plus chonky damage

but yeah

track unyield or ill riot

[viscid salmon]

me as a vet with 3 staff psykers

yea were ballin

i like ammo

[steep flower]

Free real estate

[midnight wyvern]

free ammo estate

[sacred flare]

I've yet to try my smoke build but I imagine you turn the entire mission into a giant vape cloud

[midnight wyvern]

with exe stance and teamshare exe

delcious

[placid portal]

Veteran gets new Power Weapon that's similar to relic sword

[sacred flare]

heretic overwatch just wondering why that cloud is just moving in a very specific direction

[midnight wyvern]

why get shot at when you could just not

[pseudo fiber]

Can a friend get a build

[steep flower]

Ooohhh thats a nice combo

Pog

[sacred flare]

Have recent changes made any of the lesser used guns more viable or is it just amping stuff we already use?

[pseudo fiber]

Vigilants are good

Helbores are more useable

[sacred flare]

(I really want to use combat shotguns but I've not gotten far in being satisfied with them lol)

[pseudo fiber]

Use the agripinna it's a beast

[normal bay]

The precision one is very good

Anything you don't like can be amped up by exe stance now without losing on easy toughness gen

[midnight wyvern]

agri is nice, I haven't found myself liking it more than Vigi or hellbore or bolter

just feels better on arb I guess

[sacred flare]

actually that reminds me about the new marks on bolt guns

the new pistol is fun, but the bolter, not sure how to feel about it?

[midnight wyvern]

I wonder if you could pump peoples toughness regen with born leader and an exe build around killing all the elites/specials for confirmed kill/exhilarating takedown lol

book level regen

[sacred yacht]

Buikd?

[sacred flare]

Exe + grenade regen perks + smoke, really

nothing particularly fancy or specific

could probably take shout too to turn it into an angry cloud and swing at anything that moves in it

[steep flower]

Yes

Yes you can

[midnight wyvern]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff4287e-7390-4171-86fd-28ff9517c2b8/probably-smoke-spam

not really refined it since ive just been running in auric but

its funny

[pseudo fiber]

Thank you bless

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[midnight wyvern]

[cunning haven]

6 player mode confirmed?

[odd wind]

how the fuck do u finish encroaching garden and rotten armour havoc?

[midnight wyvern]

smyker

watched it happen, with power outage and on gloriana

@steep flower

lmao

[meager echo]

back to h40

I think purple might be the hardest mod now

[steep flower]

Its actualy very solid on paper

[odd wind]

drop the build

[meager echo]

it's the same as bath.rawr recommend

ws

this one

but i take smoke and grenade tinker instead

[pseudo fiber]

What weapons PS+Plasma?

[ashen cosmos]

so like whats the difference with the new bolter?

[meager echo]

yeah ps6 and plasma

[pseudo fiber]

Nothing changes

[meager echo]

before patch i run 2 hp + stamina, now i run 3 hp curios. I'm not sure about if you can tank overhead and not instant death, i havent test.

[sudden cedar]

@meager echo Why do you run 3 HP curios? Just.. curious.

[midnight wyvern]

solid in practise so far when my teammates don't have room temp IQ

actual heresy and below players in auric

[meager echo]

Before patch if crusher overhead if i run 2hp, i just go down not instant death.
New tree remove hp node.

[midnight wyvern]

lmao

[sudden cedar]

@midnight wyvern

[meager echo]

I have not test if 3 hp could save you from instant death or not.

[midnight wyvern]

dont have any CC in the kit but by god, it fucks elites/specials/ranged when you actually get to shoot them

[steep flower]

Or just don’t get overheaded…

[steep flower]

With smite it will

[meager echo]

Yeah new patch is pretty much dont get overhead, get hit one its run ender

[midnight wyvern]

god

imagine

anything the smote can't reach can't shoot cuz smoke

[turbid ibex]

Smote

[midnight wyvern]

smote 🫦

[steep flower]

Its a team based game for a reason; i smite’em you shoot’em

Just like yesterday

As i told my friends; ‚focus crushers & bulwarks & purples & you win; i deal with the rest’

And lo & behold; we won

Crazy

[steep flower]

And melee units don’t pester ya

[sudden cedar]

@meager echo I can see the precautions and the safety net you would want to give yourselves, but HP will only get you so far. I can understand if you need it until you get better, but the best way to avoid the damage of an overhead is prevent getting overheaded.

Of course, when it DOES happen, it will be painful but most likely, its either an overhead you didnt see coming or one you did see coming and simply couldn't prevent anymore, but at that point, it might already be too late to salvage anything on the mission in the first place.

[midnight wyvern]

[sudden cedar]

In addition to that, even if you happen to survive said overhead, depending on the difficulty level, you will get corrupted as well.

[serene bough]

ive so far eaten 2 overheads trying to learn the falchion moveset and dodge count

terribly embarrassing

[sudden cedar]

But you do continue, do you not?

[serene bough]

yes

[sudden cedar]

Good!

[lunar walrus]

charisma removed from veteran?

[serene bough]

its a pretty good feeling weapons to me but i havent brought into h40

[sudden cedar]

In time.

[serene bough]

need to climb back up the ranks again now that kraks are buffed im itching to use my post-buff build

[fleet drift]

Need advice is the range suppression good on the new bolter?

[midnight wyvern]

no

new bolter bad

[fleet drift]

Bad?

[sudden cedar]

You will stagger enemies due to the explosions

[midnight wyvern]

the opposite of good

[fleet drift]

So it’s good with Pinning fire?

[midnight wyvern]

its not good

[sudden cedar]

Would have to try that, but it could work.

[midnight wyvern]

pinning fire works, it helps

but not enough

[sudden cedar]

It has a lower rate of fire, that might help

[fleet drift]

so over all it’s not good?

[sudden cedar]

Well, its not a Plasma Gun..

[willow prairie]

ok i just insta died to crusher overhead

[fleet drift]

Feel like if bleed perk also work on explosion it would be kinda fun to use though… sad

[sudden cedar]

Sounds like a skill issue.

[turbid ibex]

Do they know

[willow prairie]

i might need 2 health for new havoc

[midnight wyvern]

or if shrimp applied to everything hit

[sudden cedar]

@turbid ibex Who knows.. 🙂

[midnight wyvern]

would be a good debuff weapon

[steep flower]

Would be OP then

[meager echo]

Prepare for the worst man, what else to take, 3hp or 3toughness is the samething, if you dont have gold you just die.

[serene bough]

a bolter that lobs shredder frag grenades that explode on impact

[steep flower]

Imagine shrimp & punc new boltgun applying these on explosion; it would be meta

[turbid ibex]

Would be poggers

[steep flower]

Every class which can use it would use it

[serene bough]

it would make the rumbler look balanced lol

[steep flower]

Would be stupid OP

[sudden cedar]

@meager echo More HP means you expect yourself to take more damage. More toughness means you are more confident in your ability to avoid damage.

That is how one could see it.

[meager echo]

I only care about overheas, if anything get you its pretty much postioning problem.

[turbid ibex]

Taking no curios means you expect nothing

[midnight wyvern]

with all the current giga buffs from WS side running and exe stance going, the explosions from the bolter with shrimp/pinning fire are doing 197 at max

wowie

[steep flower]

On vet best combo is 1 Hp 2 toughness; you don’t die to a poxburster & you survive vs ranged threats

[sudden cedar]

@turbid ibex doubt

[hallow drift]

Is it worth going exe stance with plasma or is it just shout crutch?

I've never actually used it lol

[steep flower]

Thats… not even enough to kill a groaner on auric

[serene bough]

id say after a month vets will gravitate towards shout again

the 10% toughness on exe stance is nice but its no gold toughness

[midnight wyvern]

I have a 5% hp node on a curio and it gets me above 100 lol, I run an extra stam instead of HP

[steep flower]

They already are

[midnight wyvern]

edging

[sudden cedar]

[meager echo]

It's minimal different, i run 2hp 1 stamina, now 3hp never have toughness issue

[serene bough]

i havent played much but ive seen a lot of exe stance vets

[midnight wyvern]

the only benefit i can see is that it shits on bulwarks

1 shot opening shield

[sudden cedar]

I wish we had H40 difficulty in the Psykanium

[midnight wyvern]

same

[serene bough]

same

[sudden cedar]

And the Plasma Gunner, while we are at it.

[turbid ibex]

I wish we had the psykanium

[serene bough]

speaking of which i love the plasma gunnner

very spooky enemy

[steep flower]

Wait till h40

[serene bough]

thats what im waiting for

[willow prairie]

ok i hate nwe havoc

[serene bough]

gold toughness actually has a counter now

[steep flower]

Your love will vanish as fast as my ex girlfriends to me

[willow prairie]

instadead is so ass

[frank basin]

I didn’t know Kark made increase capacity carrying

Just 3

[serene bough]

i love oppressive difficulty and mechanics, so i think ill be ok

[frank basin]

Waiting increase ogryn nukenade to 2

[acoustic vapor]

having played havoc30+ a while this feels like its going to be like every range vet build..

[steep flower]

Believe me its not oppressive nor challenging
Its unbalanced

[steep flower]

Could be better

[acoustic vapor]

open to suggestions

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-terrified-gif-10236982897096038637

[serene bough]

eh, ill see when i get there i wouldnt rush to call unbalanced after 1 day of release

[midnight wyvern]

its cancer there is no getting past it lol

[serene bough]

i dont believe that yet ill have to experience

[willow prairie]

new havoc is ass for vet

[midnight wyvern]

they should just be specialists, job done

[willow prairie]

😭

[meager echo]

It's a slog, you wait for cooldown to reposition. If you try something funny, you play in 3rd person

[sudden cedar]

👀

[serene bough]

im ok with that, post patch most h40 was spamming gold toughness with OP CDR

H40 was still difficult but not as challenging im looking forward to returning to H40

[acoustic vapor]

difficulty does feel like it went up, or thats maybe me not playing for 3 months

[meager echo]

Its harder now

[willow prairie]

its harder now

[midnight wyvern]

@steep flower its only redeeming factor is the stagger but its so limited in ammo I wouldn't use it lol

[meager echo]

In a bad way

[acoustic vapor]

i mean, havoc 40 was getting kinda farmy.. main difficulty was just getting 4 good ppl together..

happy its harder

[meager echo]

I like before the cdr is enough for you to constantly moving forward.
Now you wait for cooldown.

[sudden cedar]

You've been moving forward constantly?

[acoustic vapor]

the crusher meatwalls do feel kinda tedious

[meager echo]

Yup

H40 in hk is that way

[midnight wyvern]

people when crushers dont instantly fall over:

[willow prairie]

light out in havoc is so ASS

[midnight wyvern]

just use smite

[willow prairie]

smite huh????

[steep flower]

I used this on phone for the first time; fk my fat thumbs

[acoustic vapor]

Yeah makes sense, its quite weapon dependant

[midnight wyvern]

epileptic brightness

[willow prairie]

if ytou like smite so much how about i electrocute your balls

huh?

huh?

[midnight wyvern]

I'd like to see you try

[steep flower]

I like foreplay stimulation

[willow prairie]

what with no one accepting zealot in havoc now

[acoustic vapor]

I think +30% reload after special/elite kill is just objectively better than 25% with ammo remaining

[willow prairie]

are they the new arby

[acoustic vapor]

theres almost no case when you reload without having killed an elite/special

[midnight wyvern]

vet is probably new arby lol

[meager echo]

No, arbi is new vet now

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-terrified-gif-10236982897096038637

[steep flower]

What if you just kill shooters/bosses? what then? Tac reload is infinitely better due to being always available
The only weapons where its not that good on is
Agripinaa revolver
Double barrel
And those 2 are barely used to begin with

[steep flower]

I like this anime meme

It pleases me

[midnight wyvern]

its good for when people say weird shit

[acoustic vapor]

high havoc gunners/shotgunners outnumber regular shooters..

[midnight wyvern]

or when 900 bulwarks come around a corner

or plasma gunners

[steep flower]

Still better

Cause always available

[midnight wyvern]

also what the dog doin?

[steep flower]

Or combine them but thats overkill even for boltgun

[midnight wyvern]

captains just having lunch

[midnight wyvern]

no they don't lol

[acoustic vapor]

except you'd always be a bullet down and need to watch ammo carefully before reload with 25%

[midnight wyvern]

and they're just as if not more dangerous than the other 2

[acoustic vapor]

i agree

[midnight wyvern]

reg shooters are the real friends we made along the way

[steep flower]

Watching ammo count ain’t any downside; 1 bullet does not make a difference; not even on a boltgun of all weapons

[midnight wyvern]

especially with mag count increase and muscle memory always stopping before finishing mag

or the boss dying before lmfao

[acoustic vapor]

idk for me there's just always a special/shotgun/gunner to kill somewhere before i have to reload, and it's one less thing to worry about with saving bullets

situations where you need to magdump bosses are very rare with new krak nades

[midnight wyvern]

what ranged weapon are you even using?

[steep flower]

Wait until you face 2+; you wish you would have meaningful reload speed

[acoustic vapor]

boltpistol/bolter/autoguns generally

[steep flower]

Apart from boltgun i would not pick any reload talent; not needed

[midnight wyvern]

[acoustic vapor]

for boltpistol its not necessary i agree, but autoguns feel a lot smoother with it

reload interrupts hurt quite a bit for those guns

[bold sierra]

chainaxe rev is so good now wow

[midnight wyvern]

time to full build around chainaxe on zealot

[bold sierra]

holy damn chain axe push follow attack can stagger crushers

SIUUUU

[midnight wyvern]

pretty sure it ignores stagger immunity

or smth

might be rev attach, one of the chain weapons does something goofy

[bold sierra]

the green caxe's push follow can stagger but not TOO consistent, however the blue one is 100%

[split grove]

so did ds4 get destroyed

[normal bay]

Chaxe staggering crushers on push attacks

Then theres chainsword

[acoustic vapor]

chainsword still feels so incredibly bad

[bold sierra]

chainsword's rev heavy can stagger crushers 100% now tho, which is huge

idk, I really like chainsword now

[normal bay]

Have fun when the ragers arrive

[split grove]

did they change plasma yet?

or is the plasma change later

[normal bay]

Which was always the bigger problem for it

[steep flower]

They buffed revs

[bold sierra]

I mean I GUESS, but I got a bolter for that I suppose, I also can just bloodletter poke them and let them bleed out

[steep flower]

Spacing & bloodletter

Fixed

[bold sierra]

also, now that serrated blade is easy af to take, you can basically just hit them and let them die, and chainsword got WAYYYY better movement than chainaxe

[acoustic vapor]

its just that the only thing chainsword excels at is staggering hordes, other weapons do everything better as well has having decent enough stagger..

[steep flower]

Rev could always do that

[bold sierra]

chainsword ofc, also have cleave blessing lol

[midnight wyvern]

meat

[bold sierra]

it could, but not IMMEDIATELY

[midnight wyvern]

do you unyield/cara on Chaxe?

[normal bay]

I thought bloodletter sucked on chainsword?

Or was that Evis...

[steep flower]

It was immediate wdym

[willow prairie]

on god i fucking hate plasma gunner

[steep flower]

On evis it had niche use

[steep flower]

Told ya

[bold sierra]

no? I remember you need like at least 1-2s before crusher starts to stagger

[willow prairie]

bloodletter only suck on evis lmao

it 6 stack instead of 16 like everywhere else

[steep flower]

Max 1 sec mah dude

Not even a full sec

[bold sierra]

ok 1s, but still not immediate. 1s is actually pretty big, especially on Havocs lol

especially a lot of the tiems they're sliding towards you with overhead

and stuff

[steep flower]

But it can apply that on chaf unlike other chain weapons cause they get stuck

[raw needle]

have you met them in mortis or the event yet

[steep flower]

LESS than 1

[willow prairie]

in havoc

[steep flower]

Also spacing

[willow prairie]

😔

[raw needle]

ehh

no biggie

[bold sierra]

it was enough, plus Crushers got higher stagger resistance in H40 and stuff so yeah

I guess I'm speakign purely havoc

[willow prairie]

evis still stagger crusher

[bold sierra]

barely touch Damnation these days

[steep flower]

Spacing is your friend; been using chainaxes since forever in havoc and there were no issues fighting multiple elites

[acoustic vapor]

new bolter variant does feel really solid on havoc, doesnt really lose any breakpoints and the stagger is super valuable for shutting down lots of things

[steep flower]

It could not before

[bold sierra]

I mean YEAH ofc. But I'm just saying it's still sth, now it's better

[acoustic vapor]

might feel worse at 40 but 30 it feels solid

[steep flower]

Me 2

[visual island]

Hey hey veterans its been awhile since ive been in here hope yall are still good

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[split grove]

can i parry crusher overheads or spam parry vs ragers?

with ds4

[acoustic vapor]

also you can shoot like 3m in front of you and still get the explosion, it's pretty safe if you need to get through a horde

[split grove]

can i still spam my lmb plasma

[bold sierra]

you do NOT wanna parry with DS against ragers lol, maybe against 1 or 2 but more than that...it aint nearly as good as dclaw's parry

[tame lodge]

Dclaw propaganda

[bold sierra]

there's a cooldown for the parry on DS

cant spam it

[split grove]

oh... it's not dclaw

[north flicker]

I have decided to give vet another try ;D

[split grove]

😭

i thought it was dclaw parry

guess it's occasional parry against a few

[bold sierra]

yeah

[split grove]

thx for the warning

but can i parry an overhead

[bold sierra]

I doubt lol

[split grove]

Now that's called living dangerously

gg...

[zealous jolt]

Is the parry stamina based?

[raw needle]

yes

[zealous jolt]

If it is then you maybe can parry on Psyker

[raw needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1420059013923733524/oXAjwHB.mp4?ex=68d40484&is=68d2b304&hm=da765d2e4659e3d2f2f41e464e1144b599800b964e0eaf7af1b31e8788b1963e&

[split grove]

that felt so good i had neurons

mmm

no longer spammy

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[tame lodge]

Psyker gets a special treatment

The ds parry there builds a little peril

But it's stronger

[zealous jolt]

But you got to take the peril block node yea?

[zealous jolt]

Which is kinda out of the way

[split grove]

is plasma still the same as before?

[bold sierra]

oh nvm, ig you can parry crusher overhead with DS

[split grove]

or do i need rmb yet

[zealous jolt]

Yes,but less ammo

[tame lodge]

Nothing really changed

[bold sierra]

forgot dclaw can also parry that huh

[tame lodge]

So yeah just m1

[split grove]

wth

i thought they were gonna make it m2

[raw needle]

if you want to

[thin stone]

https://youtu.be/IkmYM-WjYHM?si=7w2Q6tdHE_G_Z5pi

How's this build?

[midnight wyvern]

good

[bold sierra]

maybe eventually lol

[thin stone]

Oh you've tried it?

[midnight wyvern]

ye

[raw needle]

would just have to watch out to not kill yourself

[tame lodge]

Soon™

[thin stone]

Ok I'll try it

[raw needle]

or instead spam it with the explosion build

[acoustic vapor]

i wouldn't take deadshot on autoguns

[midnight wyvern]

Vigi auto fucks with that build

1 shots everything short of a mauler

2 shots maulers 3 shots crushers

[thin stone]

Ohk

[midnight wyvern]

can also 1 shot body dreg ragers which I still find funny

[acoustic vapor]

and tbh, also drop the 20% weakspot dmg on ult and take krak + all 3 grenade talents

grenades are super strong

[midnight wyvern]

@thin stone if you want a meme build, you can switch plasma in place of Vigi and use charge shot

that same build makes it 1 shot crushers with m2

[thin stone]

Nah I want to use vigilant autogun

[thin stone]

Why this

20% weakspot on ult sounds useful

[acoustic vapor]

it sounds less useful than +1 grenade/20%double / +75% dmg

[split grove]

3 shot crusher???

[midnight wyvern]

yea

[split grove]

wtf

[midnight wyvern]

hellbore on same build 2 shots

[bold sierra]

given you dont get as much cdr as before lol, maybe it's better with something more generalized ig

[acoustic vapor]

being able to delete bosses with krak seems a lot better, and 20% weakspot dmg usually doesnt actually change shots to kill

[midnight wyvern]

its like 210 damage off a 1 shot haha

[split grove]

for high havoc smoke seems to be the important nade

[midnight wyvern]

depends what you're shooting

and you're also not usually the only one shooting

[split grove]

in pubs, i'm the only 1 shooting

[thin stone]

This assumes that my teammates are alive

Which they are not

[acoustic vapor]

the majority of things die in one headshot already

[thin stone]

[bold sierra]

GOD yesterday I had a guy run smokes and it was honestly super annoying tbh idk, cant see shit

when there's bubble, idk

[split grove]

Yeah but the plasma gunners can't see us either

[midnight wyvern]

[steep flower]

Its the best

[thin stone]

@acoustic vapor can you sum up the changes to that build?

[split grove]

Smoke is good when team is shit

[thin stone]

Bruh, another guy with different advice

[midnight wyvern]

imagine one persons opinion not being objective fact

crazy

[steep flower]

If thats the equasion then they are insane when team is good

[acoustic vapor]

drop deadshot/marksman, add grenadier/grenade tinkerer, +krak grenades

[bold sierra]

oh yeah, I assume exec stance's toughness regen actually works with Born leader?

I might actually try exec stance with that skill to basically regen toughness for team too lol

[midnight wyvern]

yes, born leader is any toughness you generate

[thin stone]

Why marksman focus? Isn't it good?

[bold sierra]

pog

[midnight wyvern]

including the endless spam of toughness generation you get from confirmed kill

[steep flower]

That buff works for both melee & range

[midnight wyvern]

its a decent node now

[acoustic vapor]

its good, but compared to grenade dmg?

[bold sierra]

nice, exec stance SUPPORT BUILD!

[thin stone]

I don't like krak's

[midnight wyvern]

more like, take a node to make everyone else generate alot of toughness for you playing your job

lol

[acoustic vapor]

new patch buffed them a lot

[thin stone]

Oh

Didn't know that

[bold sierra]

more help is more help ig

[midnight wyvern]

if you killed enough fast enough you'd probably rival book regen

💀

[thin stone]

When I drop marksman, I'll also drop the three purple nodes below it, that's fine?

[bold sierra]

basically

[zealous jolt]

Crusher hp pool buffed by quite a bit but crusher spawns are reduced,so kraks get to shine more a little

[acoustic vapor]

no, not the keystone, this marksman

[bold sierra]

I think Born Leader with exec stance toughness regen sounds like a VERY GOOD consistent toughness regen source

[thin stone]

Ohhhh

I see

My bad

[midnight wyvern]

exhilarating takedown is good too since you can be headshotting any enemy and get the burst of toughness for everyone

not requiring elites/specials

[acoustic vapor]

either way on high havoc executioners still feels like a bit of a meme compared to shout :D

[midnight wyvern]

they'd only get a little bit but toughness is toughness

[acoustic vapor]

but need to try some more

[zealous jolt]

Personally prefer shout cos it complements the power sword

[midnight wyvern]

im starting to think that build would go best with plasma still haha

can kill multiple elites/specials with 1 shot, can kill multiple shooters/random enemies in 1 shot

[thin stone]

@acoustic vapor ok I made the tree changes, what about taxes and vigilant ag blessings and perks?

And what about curios?

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[thin stone]

What?

FUCKING POWER CUT AHHHHHHHHHHHH

[acoustic vapor]

I pretty much always run 2x toughness 1x health curio, 3x cooldown, 3x5%toughness, 3x20%gunner res, stamina curio feels pretty useless if you have solid melee mechanics. weapon blessings/perks depend completely on which mk of the weapon

[zealous jolt]

Stamina curios feel good when the team ditches you

[thin stone]

They have carapace perks on both the melee and gun

[acoustic vapor]

vigilant autoguns shouldn't really be shooting carapace imo

they still suck at it no matter how much you try to juice it

[midnight wyvern]

they're better than health in havoc IMO, as long as you are above 100 to not get 1 tapped by bursters, I'd take stam over hp most of the time

situations bad, stamina is gonna help more for blocking than 20 more hp

[zealous jolt]

Agreed,esp on power sword where the dodge is abysmal blocking really saves you

[midnight wyvern]

pre sure its block effeciency is also garbage but I've been saved so many more times from stamina lol

I also like to use lower stamina weapons so its a larger % increase from the curio to them

[zealous jolt]

Zealot with the stamina on crit melee feels so good

[mortal aspen]

drop insane headshot damage on a gun that shoots heads?

wut

[acoustic vapor]

do you want to kill it in one shot or kill it in one shot :D?

[midnight wyvern]

🥀

[mortal aspen]

it doesn't oneshot everything even with that setup

the uptime for the 20% str on ult is what like over 50%?

[acoustic vapor]

its just reaper/mutie that doesnt die in one, they die in 2 shots with or without (not sure about mutie)

and shouldnt be trying to shoot crusher either way

[midnight wyvern]

why not lmao

[mortal aspen]

someone with good aim could do so much carnage with this beast of a gun

actually good vs everything type shit

[acoustic vapor]

either way just test out breakpoints and whether 20% actually changes anything about shots to kill

[mortal aspen]

except hordes of trash ofc

[acoustic vapor]

and whether the case where it helps is worth the talent point vs something else you can pick up

[turbid ibex]

Cool pfp

[acoustic vapor]

thats a lot more dmg than i remember :D

but looks like it'd still be 3 shots if you remove 25%

[turbid ibex]

Big if true

[acoustic vapor]

but yeah crit vs no crit

[turbid ibex]

Also that +226 is tweaking tf out

[acoustic vapor]

numericui is broken

[mortal aspen]

I can't justify dropping deadshot when the gun needs crits so badly to function

and vet has good stam regen delay now xdd

[acoustic vapor]

deadshot is nice with the single shot mk

[midnight wyvern]

it lowers the time between shots for surgical

since you dont need to wait as long

[mortal aspen]

yeah

[midnight wyvern]

and MMF has stam regen node

so like

meh

[midnight wyvern]

it is, but it does change reapers to 1 shot

[mortal aspen]

stam delay being 0.75-0.5 now makes Taxe feel sooo much better

I love my Taxe

[turbid ibex]

What perks and blessings should i use for the vigis btw?

[acoustic vapor]

reapers are unyielding not carapace (shoulder doesnt count)

[midnight wyvern]

and?

[turbid ibex]

Besides surgical

[midnight wyvern]

deadly accurate

[acoustic vapor]

in context of taking carapace or not :D unyielding is nice

[midnight wyvern]

maniac/cara

[turbid ibex]

No flak?

[midnight wyvern]

dont need it lol

shit just dies

everything short of a mauler gets 1 tapped

[turbid ibex]

And for the marks

[midnight wyvern]

Graia

[mortal aspen]

oh by the way, do you shoot mauler\plasma in the head or body with that vigi setup?

[midnight wyvern]

head

[mortal aspen]

ok, that's what I've been doing

[turbid ibex]

Which one is that

[midnight wyvern]

the single shot one

lol

was alr posted

xD

people were saying to change things off your build which is how we got to this point

[grand perch]

Oh ok

[acoustic vapor]

something like this i guess?

[midnight wyvern]

smokes are too funny with exe stance

[grand perch]

Change is for tzeentchlings

[thin stone]

Is that your youtube channel?

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[thin stone]

This one

Oh damn

[midnight wyvern]

yes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172931856916807791/1386046428350255206/thebiter.gif

[thin stone]

Bro knows his shit

[thin stone]

I love car

I'm going to start aim-maxxing

[midnight wyvern]

hellbore works too, just have to switch some things around and be okay with the charge

its actually better if you're used to it lol

1 shots maulers 2 shots crushers

[mortal aspen]

vigi feels so good when you get in the zone and just pop heads

a whole patrol of ragers pop pop pop pop

[grand perch]

You could drop one of the toughness regen nodes at the start, too. I think they get good value out of tunnel vision but ultimately you could trade that for more nades of course. Or even trench fighter drills or sth

[turbid ibex]

Pop goes the heretic

[midnight wyvern]

yee

I think vigi is just faster between targets

but hellbore more single target damage

[mortal aspen]

vigi also doesn't need One Motion, which is great

[acoustic vapor]

mhm, with the single shot rifle i'd keep deadshot tho

[midnight wyvern]

[mortal aspen]

I think the pullout time is slightly quicker than Helbore + One Motion

[acoustic vapor]

the double shot rifle is pretty fun als well ;d

[turbid ibex]

What about two motions

[faint beacon]

@grand perch how’s Graia after the changes btw

[midnight wyvern]

imma go test toughness regen spam on allies with plasma/exe/MMF

[faint beacon]

Columnus and Agri feel great

[midnight wyvern]

bad

worst gun in game

[faint beacon]

I didn’t bother using it

[midnight wyvern]

its great lol

[faint beacon]

Too focused on the other two which feel also good now

[midnight wyvern]

competes with Hellbore MkIV

[faint beacon]

Or well better in Agri cases

[faint beacon]

It hits that fucking hard now?

[midnight wyvern]

it 2 shots maulers and 3 shots crushers lol

[faint beacon]

LMAO

[midnight wyvern]

the buffed ones

[faint beacon]

Vs Agri which is like half a mag

7 bursts

Column is nearly the full mag

[midnight wyvern]

can 1 mag a plogryn if your aim is that good

[faint beacon]

But both Agri and Column drop specials and gunners

Insanely quick

[midnight wyvern]

can't beat instant TTK tho

[faint beacon]

Obviously

[midnight wyvern]

Graia just 1 taps everything short of mauler

[faint beacon]

I’m still enjoying the others but yes it’s Clear Graia might be stupid in Havoc also

[midnight wyvern]

I haven't even tried the other 2 lol

[faint beacon]

I mean I had luck with the Agri in 31

Was doing really good

[midnight wyvern]

graia with exe/MMF and smoke with a smyker sounds insane

can't get melee'd, everything dies

nothing can shoot you

GG

[turbid ibex]

Cant get bitches though

[grand perch]

Graia has less efficiency against crushers now, from two shots to three shots, and the buffs have to line up for that
The big improvement is boss damage and maniac. Easy onesie on ragers

[midnight wyvern]

[grand perch]

Haven't tried new havoc yet but I doubt it will be that good

[faint beacon]

It’s fun

Noticed less crusher spam but far more surge events

Aka specials piling up insanely quickly

Admittedly the Contaminated Stims

Is by far one of the funniest things they’ve added

And hope they don’t remove it

Woe Plasma Gunner that popped a Red Stim

[normal bay]

So that's how it feels

[carmine wasp]

Contaminated stims ?

[fossil creek]

Are contaminated stims apart of the new update? Buffing the enemies?

Or nerfing us?

[midnight wyvern]

okay, plasma with exe is fucking disgusting

[sudden cedar]

@fossil creek Buffing the enemies, but only as a Havoc Modifier.

[carmine wasp]

Crap

[midnight wyvern]

wallhacks while being able to shoot through most walls lol

[faint beacon]

Yeah one moment

I have an image that covers all stim effects

[fossil creek]

Ah ok, check.

[carmine wasp]

I'm gonna play this Saturday and I'm rusty as fuck wish me luck

[faint beacon]

Basically select enemies have a random chance to stop and pop 1/4 stim types

Which are permanent till killed

[fossil creek]

Sick

Blighted stim production mission feels alot more real now

[serene sage]

does the double barrel shotgun dumb reload speed for some reasons?

[grand perch]

Heretic plasma gunners also don't overheat

The bastards

[sudden cedar]

Because they are heretical.

[tall torrent]

Is it just me or the event spawns a bajillion maulers

[faint beacon]

Kinda

[sudden cedar]

Its more scabs i think.

[grand perch]

You're on permanent scab mauler Saturday duty

[faint beacon]

That’s every stim and what they do

[sudden cedar]

Can we a get a purple stim too.

[faint beacon]

Incredibly funny watching a Mauler TPose

Inject something into their arm

[sudden cedar]

T-posing enemies?

[faint beacon]

And then they turn red because they want to kill you

[faint beacon]

Certain enemies the animation freaks out

[willow prairie]

dev added birmingham into the game

[faint beacon]

Maulers mainly

[sudden cedar]

@faint beacon Nothing new

[faint beacon]

Crushers it’s incredibly natural looking

Literally just the Ogryn inject

[sudden cedar]

Mhm..

[tall torrent]

All of them are ridiculous

[tame lodge]

Weapon Specialist Always Ready is free reload

[tame lodge]

Yellow is the real deal

I really want to see a 375 shots yellow stimmed gunner

Laser gunner preferably

[pseudo fiber]

An amusing narrative continuation that the 6th are all now addicted to drugs

[tame lodge]

Oh not listed

[serene bough]

Pretty gnarly buffs

[glossy falcon]

Has anyone posted an updated near infinite lasgun recon build? I've been testing a few talent choices in the meat grinder and was looking for some feedback. It felt like I didn't have many free points. (Ignore the melee weapon)
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aee3721-22a5-4af2-bd46-cec10e2a24ef/my-inifnte-las-gun-crit

[tame lodge]

I'll settle for 45 shots stalkers

[faint beacon]

Blue Dreg ragers

Going to be vile dealing with

They become carapace and have 200% stagger increase

[tall torrent]

You will play sunder power sword 24/7 and u will like it

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah reminder Captains can pop a green stim

And Encroaching is still in rotation

So you’re on a 100s timer to kill the captain

And the purples

Or it’s Full HP

[serene bough]

Krak grenades it is

[tall torrent]

Why 100s

[normal bay]

You'll burn through stamina with that build, maybe you can find a point to add the stam regen node from focus target but I would just remove deadshot personally

[tall torrent]

Isn’t it 5s within they aggro onto a player?

[grand perch]

Oops all blocked by void shield

[serene bough]

I mean more for the stray purple elites or elites under purple influence

[fleet drift]

What are good blessing for Power Falchion?

[steep flower]

Cranial is a must

[gritty fable]

this works nice

[regal belfry]

why is it colored that way?

[faint beacon]

Realized this + it’s actually doubling their HP

[gritty fable]

but if you want to unpowered attacks work better you can use

[fleet drift]

Recommended perk?

[faint beacon]

After 100s or if killed green will wear off

[gritty fable]

I use this

[regal belfry]

ridjess which mod do you ise for the colored words

[tame lodge]

Enhanced description

No?

[gritty fable]

yes

[tall torrent]

Uh
Is green +health extending their health bar, or healing them

[regal belfry]

i gonna take a look at it when i am home

[faint beacon]

Extending

By the %’s

[tall torrent]

Oh so if I already beat him to half hp and he uses green stim

[faint beacon]

And this is tacked on from the Havoc base HP from what I can tell

[tall torrent]

Does his remaining health change?

[faint beacon]

I’d assume so seeing I’ve yet to experience as captain getting torn that quickly or deciding so late to pop a green

It’s rare but not impossible

[willow prairie]

decap only work on true 1 ahot

if enemy is damage in anyway it doesn't count

including from teammate

[faint beacon]

100% increase on top of their already modified Havoc HP

Realizing blue stim might be pretty gnarly on a captain also

[willow prairie]

energy leakage uptime is bad

[gritty fable]

oh, that's sad really

[faint beacon]

Swaps the remainder of his armor types to full carapace

[willow prairie]

best is wrath + cranial

[tame lodge]

Wrath Propaganda

[tall torrent]

It’s actually better because power sword hits carapace for higher damage than on flak

[tame lodge]

Ok

But it says

Base Armor

[faint beacon]

I did give PF and Taxe a spin in Havoc and both are

Really good

For post rework vet

[tame lodge]

Which does specify

[tall torrent]

Do u run serrated or field

[faint beacon]

Serrated

[tame lodge]

(relevant for dots and Arby's dog)

[dim citrus]

I'm having a blast with Vet with the changes

[faint beacon]

Goop is not in the pool

[tame lodge]

Do I don't think blue is that much

[grand perch]

It also says all his other armour types change to cara

[faint beacon]

So you don’t really need field

[tall torrent]

Serrated feels like it’s just not that much more damage

[tame lodge]

Oh right

Armor hit zone

But does it mean

Armor armor

Like flak

Or just armor type

Maniacs become carapace

[grand perch]

Post vet tree rework is the perfect time for PUS-HARDENED DON'T YOU THINK

[dim citrus]

Infinite Las build is really fun in Mortis with the Crit focus perks

[faint beacon]

I mean unironically kinda

LMAO

[grand perch]

I read that as he just becomes cara all over, but not sure

[faint beacon]

pus hardened wouldn’t hit veteran as hard as it would now

[tame lodge]

Ok
On observation until second info

[faint beacon]

But I mean we have better pus hardened in rotation anyways (Rotten Armor)

[grand perch]

Shit modifier imo

[tall torrent]

Pus harden not as relevant as the other modifiers because stim already gets similar ish DR and applies to all damage + affects stagger

[grand perch]

Rotten armour is boring

[faint beacon]

It’s way better imo than pus

Encourages you to engage in melee with the scary melee units

[grand perch]

You could always have pus in addition

[tall torrent]

And new vet hits ~70% harder so I’m pretty sure u can still 1 tap flamers and trappers given the right build even though pus

[faint beacon]

Added the fact it’s very select enemies pop it instead of

Surprise

[tall torrent]

But gunner 1 tap prob not

[faint beacon]

50 pus hardened reapers

Fuck you

[grand perch]

All of them red stimmed

[tall torrent]

I think it’s fked up that they’ve been adding worse modifiers than pus

[faint beacon]

I really like stims as a modifier

Cause it’s forcing you to adapt to their random bullshit

Lmao

[grand perch]

That's because you fucking love drugs dontcha

[tall torrent]

What exactly is adapting to -200% stagger

lol

[faint beacon]

Yellow Gunners

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/fucking-love-cocaine-gif-20329548

[tame lodge]

Ok but the 6th don't get all groany because of the stimms
Which means that the times we collected from the 21st is what made them groany, the stimms were just there

[tall torrent]

Idk how ur supposed to adapt to -200% stagger

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

Like

You straight up just do negative stagger?

???

[atomic void]

it also seems like fun type of hard

and not bullshieze

[tall torrent]

I like the fact that it reduces warp damage and DoT tho

[faint beacon]

Look at least plasma gunners

[atomic void]

purely cause its random funny hahas

[faint beacon]

Are black listed from popping yellows

[tame lodge]

Yellow giving a juicy headshot damage

[faint beacon]

Cause that shit is a confirmed instantly down

[mint talon]

Wanted to do a Krieg Guardsman build with the Helbore and Shovel focusing on the Helbore. . I think I can figure out the Shovel, but anyone have a good talent and/or weapon build for the Helbore?

[tall torrent]

Change according to needs

[mint talon]

Nice, thanks!

[tall torrent]

Grenade tinkerer worth considering for krak

[tame lodge]

A melee ranged hybrid build
What a tree huh

[manic umbra]

What’s the thought process behind no superiority complex or CQKZ/marksman? Could hit the PS6 crusher 2-hit threshold more often with them no?

[sly orchid]

cracked out plasma gunner

[tall torrent]

It’s generally difficult to push for crusher 2 tap on power sword rn because of crushers’ massively buffed health pool

[tame lodge]

Me holding the urge to say skill issue.gif

[tall torrent]

Marksman can
But marksman is 10s and even with tac awareness min max it’s still got 5s downtime

And I don’t think marksman is as good as bottom right kit

[wild summit]

Nice

[tall torrent]

Grenadier is also better than most damage talents for havoc

[tame lodge]

Another 6 months delay to the guide

🗣️

[manic umbra]

hmm so I guess it’s more worth it to go for extra toughness with OFB and on your toes instead of the red nodes also

[midnight wyvern]

@steep flower the juicer born leader build is pretty damn funny with plasma

I wish there was a way to track the amount of toughness you generated for your allies