veteran-class

[bold grail]

what is that

[midnight wyvern]

does it 1 tap maulers?
whats the build so I can squiz it too

[cedar spire]

support build

[hollow ibex]

Mk 4 could one tap old crushers idk about new ones

[midnight wyvern]

also blessings on MkIV

[limber quiver]

Did they remove the suppression immunity perk

[midnight wyvern]

new have just under 2x hp lol

[limber quiver]

[midnight wyvern]

like 2900 more?

[mortal aspen]

he doesn't know

[distant plaza]

baked in now

[granite sky]

why is tactical awareness so ass they literally already copy pasted the ogryn CDR node for psyker who messed up on the vet tree

[hollow ibex]

Surgical and weight of fire

[midnight wyvern]

so I had that, coolge

[limber quiver]

Oh shit, the good ending

[midnight wyvern]

was running exe/MMF and it wasn't doing like

too fantastic lol

prob 2 shot maulers 3 on crushers

[mortal aspen]

Vet got 0.25 stam delay reduction, 5% extra crit, suppression immunity baked in

[midnight wyvern]

which is the same as vig

[mortal aspen]

GIGA

[serene sage]

baked into what though, like default vet or exec stance?

[hollow ibex]

Hmm I need to test with the new tree and HP

[hollow ibex]

class trait

[midnight wyvern]

am always willing to learn lol

[serene sage]

the good ending indeed

[hollow ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1noppee/w_fatshark_for_reworking_all_classes_but_psyker/

L m a o

Least braindead redditor

[tame lodge]

Vet's innate
But like
Exec stance was suppression immune before

[hollow ibex]

Psyker gets two reworks, and people are still bitching

[serene sage]

that I know, hence the questions haha

[turbid ibex]

Youre now immune²

[granite sky]

Honestly I really think they should have just finally made scavenger a built in vet only class feature and finally changed the aura

[jaunty sphinx]

there a mod to get rid of the fov zoom on exe stance?

[granite sky]

especially since they already went and changed all the CDR stuff

[fleet garden]

so hows vet after changes

[tall torrent]

Top 5 class

[midnight wyvern]

maulers are 1 shot, neato
Crushers are 2

with 15 stacks of MMF

lmao wtf

can just spam body shots at dreg ragers

goofy

[tame lodge]

Hey @tall torrent
Have you seen yellow stimmed enemies ?

[hollow ibex]

Can you get one shot with 15 stacks and rending?

25 percent rending

Long shot

Ogryn and elite damage

Not that it’s worth building for tho

It’s just funny

[tall torrent]

No

[tame lodge]

Yeah kuli guides about the new modifier on havoc

[midnight wyvern]

alr have allat

lmao

[tame lodge]

Yellow stimmed enemies are going to be hilarious

[fleet garden]

what you running atm

I ran some mid 20s with exe stance but voc still feels like the go to me

[hollow ibex]

Oof

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/we-were-this-close-krennic-orson-krennic-star-wars-rogue-one-gif-26204033

prolly not even max longshot

I forgor

[plain osprey]

Playing auric with randoms is a real pain. Dipshits shouldnt even be in heresy, let alone auric
....

[midnight wyvern]

it was, 6290 seems to be the peak

[hollow ibex]

Yah so I guess nothing has changed, just build for the 2 shot lol

[midnight wyvern]

lol

[hollow ibex]

But yeah helbore wrecks the big guys

Mk IV just suffers against specialists

[wild summit]

so, is the vet guide already updated in hindsight or we waiting?

[hybrid plover]

I have never felt like mk4 suffers against specialists except maybe flamers if you're not a little beefed up in damage from a talent tbh

[hollow ibex]

It’s more just the reaction time, esp if you’re in melee

Damage isn’t the issue

[hybrid plover]

Ya know what, fair.

[hollow ibex]

It’s workable tho

Much better than old helbore

That was truly aids

You might as well just run up and melee the specialist if you didn’t have ES off cooldown

[hybrid plover]

That's honestly why I'd run knife with helbore in havoc lol

[midnight wyvern]

still love the vig

no charge up is

[eternal venture]

Late but yeah, we're gonna have to wait another two years before Infil gets any love beyond baking in what should have been a mandatory talent anyway 😔

[hybrid plover]

Nice to see the vig auto guns are shaping up to be good marksman alternatives

[eternal venture]

It's a little annoying when Shroudfield got a big glow-up, too

[hybrid plover]

I'm honestly thinking they're trying to figure something out for infiltrate already

[eternal venture]

Yeah probably

I'm glad everything else feels good now

But Infil needs a lot of love

[hybrid plover]

Since the tac awareness nerf overall hit that the worst

[eternal venture]

Let ranged kills during and after stealth suppress from range, etc.

Reduce the cooldown, for one

No idea why it has a 45s cooldown

[hybrid plover]

Shout is usable but not nearly as appealing and spammable.

Executioner's straight up untouched in practice by the nerf and I love that.

[midnight wyvern]

if anything it cares even less because of the 8s node for biggun's

[hybrid plover]

They just need to juice up inf a little more

[eternal venture]

Inf needs a lot of utility if it's going to compete with VoC's gold armor and Exe's ability to keep yourself alive while also murdering everything down range

[midnight wyvern]

stay invis while shooting

[willow prairie]

you save them by killing 20 plasma gunner

[eternal venture]

Has anyone climbed back to H40 yet to try the new Exe Stance there?

[hybrid plover]

I can imagine exe stance + ws being very good

[eternal venture]

I'm sure at least a few people started climbing back up when the update dropped and have been grinding all morning

[midnight wyvern]

its not

[eternal venture]

Saw a few h30 lobbies last night, but I needed to sleep

[hollow ibex]

lol it’s exactly what I was trying to make work before the rework. I’m going to try again

[midnight wyvern]

probably worst build in game

[bitter turtle]

does exe swap actually proc ws

i know ages ago it did not

[midnight wyvern]

it does

[hollow ibex]

Nice

[midnight wyvern]

lol

@hollow ibexthat same hellbore build

I got curious

[pseudo fiber]

Purity seal?

[midnight wyvern]

so I switched it to plasma

charged plasma 1 shots crusher

12k unyield and it has no unyielding or cara perk

goofy

[hollow ibex]

Charged shot meta back??

[willow prairie]

executioner stance being good and its consequences

also mmf

[tall torrent]

being worked on

[frank basin]

you could turn off show gain ammo and grenade to disable that number tick on your screen

in numeric ui

[midnight wyvern]

why would I do that?

[barren nimbus]

Every time I fire the new boltgun my game literally freezes, what the fuck

[frank basin]

it is bothering you?

[midnight wyvern]

no, I think its bothering you

[frank basin]

im giving you information only

[frosty kayak]

Is the hellbore actually any good now? Seemed fine when I gave it a try today but I had lowered the difficulty just to get used to playing vet again

[midnight wyvern]

its good

it was good before

its gooderer now

[frosty kayak]

Alright cool, the community seems mixed on it from what I have seen

[midnight wyvern]

its barely BARELY off 1 shotting new auric crushers

they always have been

haters hate because charge

and before probably the dogshit sights

but now they fine

vigilant is a viable option

[tame lodge]

It's been good for a while

[deep bone]

I am trying to put together a new build for my vet using Exe stance and an Infantry LasGun

[midnight wyvern]

there is your first problem

[hardy fern]

ardin or lawmaker

[willow prairie]

aradin

[midnight wyvern]

ardin IMO

[deep bone]

I’m using Infantry Las full stop

[midnight wyvern]

prefer the moveset

[willow prairie]

just think of aradin as mkx

[hardy fern]

got it thanks

[willow prairie]

because they have the same combo

[midnight wyvern]

💀

roleplayer

[willow prairie]

outside push attack

[deep bone]

Unironically my fav weapon

[deep bone]

Sure buddy

[midnight wyvern]

its a shame cuz its pretty dookie

[deep bone]

Hopefully fat shark pulls their thumb out and buffs it

[midnight wyvern]

prayge for it getting buffed before the heatdeath of the universe

[hardy fern]

interesting 😭

[deep bone]

I don’t like Helbore because the charge aspect of it is something I struggle with cause I always fuck the pacing up

[midnight wyvern]

weight of fire good

[hybrid plover]

Yeah numericui is chalked rn

[midnight wyvern]

nah its just that one thing

but I keep it on to annoy people

[eternal venture]

Helbore rhythm takes some time getting used to

[deep bone]

I enjoy not having to charge my gun to Pew Pew

[eternal venture]

tbh the most annoying thing about the Helbore is how the firing sound crackles like it's out of ammo sometimes

[deep bone]

I liked the Vigilant Autogun

[midnight wyvern]

atleast it tells you its getting edged

[deep bone]

But tbh they feel Awful now

[midnight wyvern]

Vigi gun got buffed with this update

[eternal venture]

Shots made on low ammo make a very distinct fizzing sound, but a few of the full-ammo, full-strength firing sounds make a similar fizzing noise

[hybrid plover]

Oh my God this I 100% agree with

[midnight wyvern]

is very nice

[deep bone]

The Graia has horrible recoil now

[eternal venture]

I reload on reflex when I hear that and go "Oh god dammit..." every time lol

[hybrid plover]

It's always thrown me off hearing the sizzly shots when I'm at like

90 ammo in the battery

[eternal venture]

"Wait, I swore this thing was just full"

[midnight wyvern]

so 10 rounds

[eternal venture]

Yeah and I don't have the mental stack to check my ammo when fifteen Crushers and three trappers plus two dogs and a flamer are on screen

[hybrid plover]

Honestly.

[frank basin]

so you want ui ragebaiting huh

[eternal venture]

Part of the Helbores' appeal with Shock Trooper is that you can just keep firing

[desert valve]

@eternal venture use the Perk that makes Crits not consume ammo.

[midnight wyvern]

the less I have to do the better

[hybrid plover]

I recommend RingHUD for helbore if you use mods

[eternal venture]

Yeah Shock Trooper is mandatory on Helbore

You still sometimes have to reload, though

[hybrid plover]

If only for the ammo count by the crosshair

[eternal venture]

because you'll often fire half-charged shots, or non-crit full-charged shots to kill specials that need to die asap

[desert valve]

I put Charmed Reload on my Twin Heavy Stubber, I have been able to magdump my entire ammo supply on 3 occasions because lucky bullet can occasionally cause a feedback loop of filling the mag up completely.

[eternal venture]

as in sometimes you won't have the luxury to wait for Surgical to hit full stacks when a trapper is running right at you

[desert valve]

The answer to that is Shotgun.

[eternal venture]

Yeah Twin Stubbergryn is blissfully fun when that happens

[desert valve]

Load a slug, pop the trapper, dump the rest of your tube into the nearest elite.

[deep bone]

Dawg Assault Chainsword feels decent

How big was the buff lol

[eternal venture]

slug shotgun is super nice for that reason yeah

[desert valve]

It's now Lore Accurate.

[deep bone]

So real

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/AMpshGE okay I thought the new bolter variants would kinda suck because they trade damage and ammo for a better explosion

but goddamn they kinda crunch mixed hordes

[glad scarab]

does anyone else has the problem? i want to upgrade my falchion to 500 but the game says, that this action cannot be done, every time i hit the upgrade button?

[eternal venture]

Servers might be bogged down right now

with all of the other players trying to do the same thing

[devout comet]

How good is the lethal proximity blessings with the new bolters?

[eternal venture]

It happens when new updates drop, usually

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/cbNpz8Y

[turbid ibex]

Its only on the bistol

[glad scarab]

ah the classic fatshark-server experience

[lunar sedge]

The fuck you mean 200 specials killed?

[mortal aspen]

12 round rumbler

[turbid ibex]

12 square rumbler

[desert valve]

Shotgunners

[deep bone]

Alright nvm the Vigi Autogun recoil is fine if I crouch lmao

I am struggling to make this build there are so many good talents now lmao

Should I Use Shredder frags with Exe stance or Smokes?

[lunar sedge]

It's actually was very crazy mission - auric buffs are very noticable. There weren't so many shotgunners as usual as the constant stream of tox flamers and trappers. It was crazy and I really glad that I again tested Exec stance build with bolter

Some ammo issues but the perfomance is crazy

[wraith locust]

is it just me or are power falchion blessing really mid

[desert valve]

Krak.

[deep bone]

No

[desert valve]

If you're using Vivi, you will run Krak.

[turbid ibex]

Depends on if you want more safety vs gunners or general horde clear+cc

[deep bone]

True

I might go with shredders simply for the horde control

[desert valve]

If you're using Vivi you should already be deleting Gunners from the consensus.

[mortal aspen]

vigi kills everything tbh

[deep bone]

True I will run Frags

[mortal aspen]

I wanna try the new bolter with One Motion

and the reload talents

[desert valve]

Run it with Shattering Impact and Puncture.

You'll see why once you try it.

[mortal aspen]

the brittle is aoe, I know

like rumbler

pretty funny

[tame lodge]

It's tru

They really fucked up in the blessings selection

[wraith locust]

yea

idk im sad bc it feels like a wasted weapon

[mortal aspen]

"direct projectile hit" btw

[wraith locust]

id much rather have a new ranged weapon

[mortal aspen]

[slow spade]

Psykers 100% wanted a new ranged pistol UwU

[eternal venture]

Smokes for high Havoc, if you feel like you and your team don't need the stagger and hordeclear from Frags. Frags if you do need the stagger and horde clear. Kraks if the gun you're running doesn't have good anti-armour, or maybe if you're running a Final Toll havoc and you need that mauler/bulwark/crusher wave dead yesterday

[plain osprey]

Clicks maelstrom

Gets spawned into an almost failed mission where one half is dead and the other should be with no health...

Ah yes, and one is a smyker trying to kill a plogryn with smite

[eternal venture]

Also, smokes with Exe Stance is thematically super cool

[plain osprey]

[deep bone]

What Mark of Vigilant Autogun should I use now

[turbid ibex]

Only 2 more gb for the update to finish installing

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-hell-motherfucker-keith-david-tales-from-the-hood-gif-3909159289998613028

[void dragon]

do we have an idea what blessings and perks each Pfalchion wants?

[desert valve]

The one with the 2-round bust because it does funny shit with Falter & No Respite.

[willow prairie]

wrath + cranial

same as relic blade

[deep bone]

I will try it

[void dragon]

wrath? isnt the active mode supposed to help on cleave?

[desert valve]

Wrath & Rampage are fun when you're able to pair them.

[tame lodge]

Wrath is never worth it

Unless it's Xiiig

Xiiig likes wrath

[void dragon]

Power falchion

what does it want?

[tame lodge]

Yup not worth it

[void dragon]

the entire weapon is no worth?

[tame lodge]

Oh yes

[void dragon]

damn

[tame lodge]

But that's a different story

[void dragon]

[tame lodge]

Anyways

Cranial

Then either

Leakage

Or heatsink

Perfect Block blessings are too niche

[desert valve]

Falchion needs a bit of polish, otherwise it's a decent middle of the road weapon.

[tame lodge]

Overload is bad

[void dragon]

what perks for it?

[willow prairie]

heatsink have pretty much no effect on activation

cranial is the biggest one for up/downtime

[tame lodge]

But has on deactivated

[desert valve]

[willow prairie]

i still think wrath is better because it make non activation isn't shit so you can reserve activation when you actually need it

also havoc

but well ig use psword

[tame lodge]

Wrath is not worth it

You're a veteran

[pseudo fiber]

i like heatsink

[tame lodge]

Just throw a frag

[void dragon]

what perks you want for that falchion? it might be garbo, but i want to try it

[eternal venture]

Pretty sure it's not garbo

[willow prairie]

I just build it like relic blade tbh

flak + cara

[pseudo fiber]

I do unyielding cara

[eternal venture]

Just not top tier. It's a good generalist weapon that does everything pretty well

[willow prairie]

it not garbo

it just that powersword exist

and stronger than ever

[eternal venture]

Yeah basically

People saw "Powersword is buffed" and "Falchion is alright" and turned that into "Falchion is trash"

[pseudo fiber]

Falchion is alright yeah. Really needs a cara buster

[desert valve]

You have a Boltgun.

That's your Carapace Buster.

[willow prairie]

you don't use boltgun for carapace

[eternal venture]

So long as you have something else to kill crushers and maulers, you'll have decent horde clear and unyielding/maniac damage covered by the falchion

Kraks

Helbore

Plasma

[desert valve]

PunctureSaysWhat

[scenic vapor]

what are the blessings boss

?

[void dragon]

the thing is that the weapon needs a niche, if other weapons take it, then it IS bad, even if numerically is ok, if it lacks a niche it has no place in the game, but i'll give it a try anyway

[willow prairie]

it take like more than half of your magazine to kill a single crusher

and no puncture doesn't help when it carapace

[eternal venture]

Ehh I still wouldn't say that means bad

"Bad" just means the weapon is actually crap

[willow prairie]

you can run shattering+ puncture but that mean not taking pinning fire and have worse breakpoint on everything else

[eternal venture]

If it's pretty good at everything, that means it'll cover the bases your other weapons don't cover

[void dragon]

that' for me is "useless" because in its niche it fails

[desert valve]

Lil Bro, Aim for the Head.

[willow prairie]

🙂

[eternal venture]

Sure but I still wouldn't call that garbage

[willow prairie]

ok then

[eternal venture]

That's just me though

[willow prairie]

unless you run exe + mmf don't use bolter on crusher

[void dragon]

if its an all rounder then it could work, but still have to get a grip on it on an actual game

there is so much to test

[eternal venture]

"Pretty good at what it intends to do, but outclassed by other weapons in specific areas" and "Wow this thing is bad at what it intends to do" are two different things to me

rip Voidstrike staff...

[willow prairie]

what happened to voidstrike

[desert valve]

I'm fond of the Falchion because it's not as sluggish as the Power Sword.

[eternal venture]

It just got powercrept

over time

[orchid hemlock]

Power sword?

[frozen cape]

does nayone know what the dump state for the power falchion be mobility or heat management?

[turbid ibex]

Mobility

[languid rose]

is the new Auric just bonkers or i'm suddenly shit at the game?

[frozen cape]

thank you

[eternal venture]

Nah I just brought up Void Strike staff as a weapon that I feel actually is bad at its intended role of bowling through lines of enemies. Some weapons got left behind once Havoc got added

[desert valve]

They cranked the difficulty a bit.

[turbid ibex]

Also going to get started on leveling my vet to 30 now

[void dragon]

we need one day to have the sniper staff rise again, but that day is not here yet

[eternal venture]

One day...

[turbid ibex]

Currently at level 10

[eternal venture]

Maybe they'll give psyker staves some love (and some new staves) in the next major update

"One day" might mean several years from now, though

[willow prairie]

auric actually fun now

basically havoc lite

[languid rose]

Yeah, kinda

[willow prairie]

I also noticed that damnation is harder when leveling up my shit

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982944904080687107/1322327279900168245/attachment.gif

[desert valve]

Yeah, check the update notes.

[calm shard]

god I fucking hope they don't buff staff psyker

[scenic vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/fangeux-dance-fallout-gif-15437809

[orchid hemlock]

I can't wait for the next 2 weeks where everyone is going to ask for perks/blessings without reading pins and spreading misinformation 😈

[willow prairie]

bolter is good for crusher guy

😔

[orchid hemlock]

And then we will never see them again

[clear obsidian]

theres no new pins 🙁

[desert valve]

Bolt Pistol on Psyker is still the funniest shit because I can get a Collateral on 2 Shotgunners and set half the map on fire.

[orchid hemlock]

Other than the saber the blessings and perks are the same

Maybe perks might be adjusted because of tree breakpoints changing

[mighty willow]

I mean.... At least you know i'm showing up 💔

[orchid hemlock]

Where did all these people come from anyways

This game has been dead for a while and they only released the trailer yesterday 💀

[desert valve]

I've been playing Dawn of War for over 20 years and GW can't stop me.

[mighty willow]

Idk man, i'm hyped for the rework, and i have been having fun trying to make up new builds

[void dragon]

i have hope that we get some cooler staff specials instead of using the "old man cane" strategy, it has room for it, at least for some staffs (purgatus has an unique m1 so it can keep the staff bonk)

[desert valve]

Force Greatsword is a fun time.

[jolly quail]

which falchion do u guys prefer

[pseudo fiber]

mk3

[mighty willow]

mk1, cause i have monkey brain

[sleek garden]

did they mess up the numbers on the ammo count?

[jolly quail]

for the strikedown heavy?

[sleek garden]

I was using my lasgun and noticed instead of 106 ammo it has 90

And uses ammo erratically

[desert valve]

Hellbore?

[sleek garden]

Infantry

[mighty willow]

No, for the light attack spam to cleave hordes

[pseudo fiber]

something weird is going on yeah

[desert valve]

Something is always broken with the Infantry Lasgun and I can never tell what or why.

[mortal aspen]

I still think they're leaning way too much on the spam

[hasty pasture]

any new vet builds

and whats dump on falch?

[mortal aspen]

versus individual elites being actually dangerous

[sleek garden]

I wish the scab plasma gunner was in the psykhanium

[mortal aspen]

but at least they're sorta trying with the hp changes

[sleek garden]

I shot one in the head like 10+ times with my inflas and he wouldn't die

[mortal aspen]

the scab hp changed did fuckall I'm pretty sure

[mighty willow]

I've been running executioner stance more often now, it has been buffed and feels nice to use

[willow prairie]

my biggest problem with the update is plasma gunner tbh

[sudden cedar]

@sleek garden Plasma Gunner Head is Carapace. Go for body shots instead.

[sleek garden]

good grief

I should have known

[sudden cedar]

🙂

[mortal aspen]

maulers with guns

[willow prairie]

literally

[sleek garden]

Actually unbelievable hard counter to ghost on lasgun lmao

[willow prairie]

carapace head

flak body

[desert valve]

Mobility or Heat management, whichever floats your boat better.

[willow prairie]

mobility

heat dump do decrease your activation uptime by a decent amount

[sleek garden]

How am I supposed to keep up ghost when I have to body shot the guys instantly breaking my toughness

[willow prairie]

mobility is like what, 0.18 move speed and 2% dodge distance

[eternal venture]

Same, though it'd probably take a lot of tinkering to work staff specials into the actual kit

[sleek garden]

And it spawns like 10 of them

[mortal aspen]

vigi cracks them open pretty well, idk

[desert valve]

The Game Director does love it's shotgunner congalines.

[sleek garden]

I just think it's funny how it sucks to fight them with an infantry lasgun but at least they whip out their maces when you get close

[eternal venture]

Shotgunner walls are an easy source of toughness, cooldown reset, and dopamine rush as you see the killfeed overflow

I like how shotgunner melee sounds are still bugged

they're so LOUD

[untold nymph]

How’s the reworks

[sleek garden]

Is that a bug I thought it was on purpose

it's funny though

[pseudo fiber]

good

[eternal venture]

I have a feeling the sound is mismatched

[sleek garden]

but they have a surprising amount of stagger resistance in melee so I often hear an unwise teammate go thunk

[eternal venture]

It sounds like what a hammer hitting the ground should sound like

Not a club whiffing the air

[hasty pasture]

my talents arent saving

wtf

[eternal venture]

Yeah shotgunners are fodder until one sneaks behind you and deals 3/4 of your hp as psyker with one blast

[little path]

I think i've died to shotgunners the second most

1st being falling off the map

[eternal venture]

They're pretty fucking nasty in Havoc if you don't kill them asap

They were worse to fight on release imo

But they can be bad if you let them live currently

[little path]

sucks when I turn a corner and there's 8 of them

[eternal venture]

(yet another use case for smokes btw)

[little path]

I melee one but the others keep their shotguns out and damn near instakill me

[eternal venture]

Smokes turn off the entire shotgunner pack. It's glorious

[sleek garden]

I have to read the patch notes to see if I can still justify going mostly left skill tree still

[eternal venture]

I think you can, personally

[little path]

you can

[eternal venture]

Right side got the most love, but the entire tree got enough love to make most things viable

[sleek garden]

How

The right side was just what everyone always used

[eternal venture]

Even Infiltrate has some unique use cases with the talent that gives you ranged backstab damage

[little path]

?

we're talking about vet right?

no one used right side

[desert valve]

Are you for real?

[eternal venture]

Most people went Focus Target or keystoneless before the rework

[sleek garden]

I thought everyone just took voice of command and then went all the way down the right

[eternal venture]

I think they did when Vet got its first rework

but that was ages ago

and then people jumped on the keystoneless train

[sleek garden]

well that's where all the melee buffs are

[turbid ibex]

Weapon specialist was by far the best keystone

[calm shard]

the double barrel shotgun

[willow prairie]

weapon specialist bruh

the only good one

most of the time

[sleek garden]

also you're crazy for saying people went focus target

I was the only one who used it

[little path]

oh that, yeah

they went shout then melee buffs

[turbid ibex]

Nah focus target was alright

Just took too long

[little path]

but they never went full right side

[sleek garden]

did they change focus target

[desert valve]

Infiltrate with the Boltgun is disgusting and mentally insane.

[eternal venture]

This was one of the first playstyles I thought of when I saw that backstab talent lol

[sleek garden]

I remade the skill tree but I essentially did the same thing as before

[little path]

yep

The talent tree rework wasn't about making new OP builds

[willow prairie]

focus target is only for boss most of the time

[little path]

it was about reorganizing how the tree was laid out

[eternal venture]

Focus Target before the rework was "okay" but took too long to ramp up on the targets where it matters (bosses and monsters)

now it's consistently good for those situations

[little path]

so you had more points to put into personalised choices

[spark parrot]

Thank goodness grenades are at 4

[willow prairie]

and it not even that useful in havoc unless you really don't want to run weapon spec and intentionally neuter yourself

[meager echo]

you know what's bad about new vet tree

[eternal venture]

I love neutering myself

[meager echo]

know i know why people in my sever take 2 hp curios in havoc

[willow prairie]

agile engagement being locked to bottom right lol

[eternal venture]

!

[willow prairie]

certified plasma gunner moments

[calm shard]

holy moly chainaxe

[eternal venture]

tbh I like the tag color turning yellow

[turbid ibex]

Also what blessings to use for the vigis now

[eternal venture]

That in itself is useful to help spot targets in a crowd

[little path]

vigis?

[turbid ibex]

Im guessing its like surgical DA

[meager echo]

before patch with 2 hp curios, you take over head you only down, new tree 2 hp curios you take overhead = instant death

gone

[tropic notch]

Naw ws all the way before the rework lol

[desert valve]

It had it's damage buffed slightly alongside the new Chain Weapon rework and now it can delete Crushers, yeah.

[tropic notch]

Can I see some clips?

I love chainaxe on vet

[eternal venture]

They removed a health node right?

in the rework

[meager echo]

yeah

[little path]

He's also running stealth vet damage buffs

[eternal venture]

Oof

[meager echo]

i havent test 3 hp yet

[desert valve]

I know.

[meager echo]

but right now if you get overhead, there's no coming back

[desert valve]

I use the Chainaxe on Infiltrate.

Because it's funny.

[mortal aspen]

vet should get True Grit

[calm shard]

yeah

[meager echo]

maybe with 1 - 5%hp on curios you can tank 1 overhead and go down

im at h38 atm, i think havoc is harder than before patch

[calm shard]

chainaxe+combat shotgun

[eternal venture]

I'm still surprised Grit didn't get nerfed on Arb lol

[desert valve]

Which combat shotgun.

[calm shard]

zarona

[eternal venture]

There's slightly less gold toughness uptime overall now, and elites got buffed + we got a new elite

so I expect Havoc to be a little harder now

[meager echo]

way more harder man

the new scab plasma gunner + lower gold toughness up time

crusher is very tanky now

[willow prairie]

ultra scuffed tree

[willow prairie]

idk why you think grit need nerf

it probably save you like 1 in 20 time

also it you kind of have to go out of your way to get it

[desert valve]

It makes you immune to snipers.

[willow prairie]

unless on forceful

[glacial beacon]

So does dodging

[willow prairie]

competition is strong

yeah unironically don't get it

[hollow ibex]

It does not

[willow prairie]

it more useful for silent burster

who would've thought not taking hit in the first place is the strongest damage reduction

[tame lodge]

Just like how killing is the best stagger

[hollow ibex]

Something something survivability onion

[willow prairie]

True

[tame lodge]

They are green and smelly?

donkey.gif

[eternal venture]

This is why

Silent overheads, silent bursters, silent snipers

[willow prairie]

it useful for exactly 1 situation lol

[eternal venture]

You don't -really- have to go out of your way to get it. It's right next to Arby's best keystone

That's three situations!

[willow prairie]

also again competition is strong

[eternal venture]

I don't think it's mandatory, but

[pseudo fiber]

what we running for bolter exe

[eternal venture]

it's not weak

[pseudo fiber]

focus?

[willow prairie]

best is eo but ok

grit isnt bad

it just have competition

[eternal venture]

It will save you from random crap that would otherwise have killed you

[willow prairie]

also what grit does is banking on failure

[eternal venture]

It does compete with other even stronger talents yes

[desert valve]

I'm out here running Forceful with the Power Maul, never had to touch True Grit because I'm in a perpetual cycle of staggering everything within slapping distance of myself.

[eternal venture]

I know we like to puff out our chests and say that planning for failure is bad, but

We're also talking about a game where silent oneshot mechanics exist

Not by design, but because the game literally can't handle that many sounds at once

it also lets you play proactively and tank stuff that you wouldn't have otherwise

[desert valve]

The Subtitles stay ON because I want to be able to see "POXBURSTER!" pop up.

[eternal venture]

Again, it's not the reason why Arby is busted, but it's just another thing on a list of many things that make it strong

and it seems like low-hanging fruit for them to nerf

[willow prairie]

true grit is already niche as is

[eternal venture]

The toughness regen talents are one of the strongest parts of its kit. Same with shock mines

and shock mines didn't even get touched, surprisingly

[desert valve]

Shock Mines are stupid strong, yeah.

[willow prairie]

there no good reason to nerf it while 99% of time where it can be useful is avoidable anyway

[agile mango]

Should I have fleshtearer on my knife if I have serrated blade?

[willow prairie]

I used to think shockmine is op but nowaday it's just ok

[desert valve]

Do it for the meme

[eternal venture]

I think they're borderline gamebreaking

Not actually gamebreaking

[desert valve]

Yeah.

[willow prairie]

if you can clear the electrocuted enemy then good

[eternal venture]

but they're very close when you can toss one out every 60 seconds

[willow prairie]

if you can't then it just something you can't run through

[arctic rampart]

how's the new weapon?

[eternal venture]

idk being able to lock down half a room

is VERY fucking good

[pseudo fiber]

Alright

[desert valve]

I prefer the Impact Grenade because it activates the same part of my brain as the Rock

[eternal venture]

trash mobs on the boss? Toss a mine on the boss and now you're free to hit him

[arctic rampart]

just allright.. dang

[eternal venture]

Hordes coming from both directions? Cut the horde in half by stunning it

Or just stun both of them and not have to worry about them hitting you

[pseudo fiber]

Good horde clear and mobility but not as high dps as it's older brother

[eternal venture]

Impact Nade is surprisingly good too

Just solid peel/CC

[willow prairie]

it is the rock adjacent lol

[hollow ibex]

Explosion rock

[desert valve]

This should be your Go-To Horde deletion tool as a Judge.

[agile mango]

Really though, if I have serrated blade, should I have uncanny strike plus fleshtearer on my knife or should I switch fleshtearer to something else?

[desert valve]

Slap on Skullcrusher & Opportunist and you can bully bosses.

[gaunt anchor]

man, I played some wep spec vet again, termination warrant arbi has spoiled me

[willow prairie]

crusher have no problem ccing

but it does have a real problem with killing anything that isn't poxwalker lmao

like it have exactly 2 good move

[desert valve]

It has a Power Field.

[willow prairie]

pa and h2

[eternal venture]

I call it the paddle/oar

Because you push attach most of the time and it looks like you're rowing a boat

[hollow ibex]

Tear or lacerate both work assuming you also have weapon specialist

[desert valve]

If there's a Mauler stopping you from cutting chaff, hit it with an activated heavy and get back to mowing down Poxers.

[hollow ibex]

TW is just WS at home

[willow prairie]

yeah and way worse

[desert valve]

^

[barren nimbus]

Do I use the top vigilant autogun

[desert valve]

Nah, use the bottom one, it can do some funny shit with Falter & No Respite.

The Double-Shot can let you get away with a lot of bullshit.

[gaunt anchor]

no I like the fact I don't lose my stacks from time

[hollow ibex]

I think you may be missing the point of WS…

[agile mango]

so keep it even though I have serrated?

[gaunt anchor]

look, I sometimes fat finger my weapon spec and then I jsut sit there as my stacks vanish going 'Ah damnit'

[desert valve]

WS gives you free ammo for playing Vet as intended.

[willow prairie]

ws literally piss easy to upkeep

wydm

😭

also 10 seconds of melee specialist is very fucking long

it's a horde shooter

[hollow ibex]

You just play the game normally lol

[desert valve]

WS with a Bolt Pistol basically means you've turned into Victor Saltzpyte and can now juggle your weapons indefinitely.

Reloading no longer exists.

[willow prairie]

he even have a duelling sword

[untold nymph]

What was changed

[heavy rover]

yes

[pseudo fiber]

Tree has a better lay out, good buffs alround

[untold nymph]

Ok

So no more single build syndrome?

Can I stealth better

[willow prairie]

vet be getting 70%+ melee damage from talent

[sleek garden]

It's over devils claw team

[untold nymph]

Delightful

[mortal aspen]

he doesn't know

[sleek garden]

Crushers have nearly 5000 health now

[heavy rover]

if you mean stealth as in leaving no one left alive... then yes

[desert valve]

Yeah.

[mortal aspen]

6500

[desert valve]

And that means fuckall if you're using the Chainaxe.

[sleek garden]

what am I supposed to do when I get jumped with a devils claw

[desert valve]

Dodge

[sleek garden]

You know they're gonna show up in groups of twelve

[willow prairie]

switch weapon

[sleek garden]

What if I switch to infantry lasgun

[willow prairie]

switch weapon

[desert valve]

Now onto the real talk.

Vet's Base Crit Chance is now 10%

[hybrid plover]

As it should have been

[sleek garden]

also the scab gunners health got buffed just enough where I no longer hit the breakpoint for a one shot kill

[desert valve]

The Humble Chainsword:

[sleek garden]

I want to shoot people

With my infantry lasgun

[hybrid plover]

Mercy Killer

[fading yarrow]

Brothers

The Power Falchion

I'm in love

It feels so good

[hybrid plover]

I'm so serious. Mercy is dumb strong with precision strikes and all of the damage buff nodes on right side.

Or.

Executor is actually not a bad option either if you're using mk6

Because the strength bonus increases dot damage

[fresh spire]

which hellbore do i use

[hybrid plover]

And help with cleave too

[sterile phoenix]

Any good shotgun veteran builds post patch?

[sleek garden]

The biggest one because it's a tank buster

[hybrid plover]

Knife double barrel ws is crazy strong now

[fresh spire]

which one is that though

@sleek garden

[hybrid plover]

It was already before but now it's much better

[hybrid plover]

Mk4

[sterile phoenix]

Got a screenshot of talents?

[hybrid plover]

It depends though

[hybrid plover]

I wish I did but I'm at work

And I haven't made it in gameslantern yet.

[sterile phoenix]

Rip

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, double barrel in general with ws is strong

Doesn't even have to be knife

But you probably do want uncanny to help with dot damage

Or just use power sword and delete anything that's ogryn sized or a boss

[hollow ibex]

With DB WS you want a melee that can kill a bunch of trash in a single hit

And preferably can deal with big elites and bosses

[hybrid plover]

I don't think it has to be a single hit persay but you do want something that can get three kills quickly.

Since that guarantees your crit.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[polar topaz]

How has this happened

[hybrid plover]

Mercy killer knife is a really ideal choice for it now since it's not hard to path serrated and you'd usually use double barrel with manstopper and flechette

[serene bough]

ok time to play the update

how2falchion

[polar topaz]

use the mk1

[hybrid plover]

So the stuff you won't kill, assuming you path it out right, you have 90% extra weak spot damage and that's before the right side buffs

Tried it in auric maelstrom yesterday and it felt good

[umbral parrot]

Something feels off. Did Power Sword get nerfed?

[hybrid plover]

Noh

[umbral parrot]

Roger roger, need to overview this new build again then.

[polar topaz]

It should be stronger with the talent tree changes

[umbral parrot]

I just feel like i'm not 2 shotting Crushers anymore.

[polar topaz]

Crushers got buffed

[umbral parrot]

THANK YOU!

That's where i went wrong lol

Oh... frick

[hollow ibex]

They’re like 6.5k hp now

[umbral parrot]

But yes, i do feel stronger.

This feels SOOOOOO right!

Toughness be damned. It's all about hitting hard~!

[umbral parrot]

Where to find info? I don't see it on steam.

[fossil creek]

i love power falchion 🥰

very nice

curve

[hybrid plover]

Honestly given how crazy vet's toughness regen can get, toughness isn't even that big of a deal anymore

Since it's really easy to path into the regen talents now.

[umbral parrot]

Well, VoC got nerfed a bit.

So i don't have any other way to spike up on thoughness.

[polar topaz]

there's a link way down the "Bound by duty" update thingy

[polar topaz]

Don't think it was changed in anyway

[hybrid plover]

Confirmed Kill and Out for Blood

[proud parrot]

so is vet cracked now?

[umbral parrot]

Wah? Killing a room full of dogs is always a must if you had Tactical Awareness!

[polar topaz]

just use the toughness talents at the top of the tree

[void dragon]

give it a run and it do work, can kill what you expect to kill in good time and can still double on melee vs fodder

[hybrid plover]

I promise you, it's stupid how good those two talents together make vet's regen

[inland orchid]

every op got a rework in their talent tree practically so everybody cracked

[polar topaz]

It's certainly better than it was

[junior grail]

VoC is nerfed indirectly by the ability cooldown talent nerf that's all

[hybrid plover]

Tactical Awareness was nerfed.

[proud parrot]

but i like voc

[hybrid plover]

You can't really overlap shouts like you used to

[umbral parrot]

That was fun tho

[junior grail]

Most ppl do

[umbral parrot]

A room full of muties and dogs and you just shout your way out.

[polar topaz]

VOC also indirectly nerfed by plasma enemies ignoring gold toughness

[umbral parrot]

Thanks! Wowie!

Have not yet tried it.

Hope they're in HAVOC 40.

[tropic notch]

Just dodge

[polar topaz]

They have carapace heads and with the current event spawn in packs of 5-6 with a captain

[tropic notch]

[junior grail]

Plasmagunners remove gold toughness of Zealots Chorus too?

[hybrid plover]

Yes

[inland orchid]

any gold toughness as far as i know

[hybrid plover]

They do not care about it

They shoot, it will go to 0

[polar topaz]

you blow up

[junior grail]

Will Ogryn Taunt mess the Plasmagunners up like the Snipers?

[hybrid plover]

Also yes.

They can't be suppressed though.

[junior grail]

Come to think of it, Smokes may be the best counter to Plasmers

[fossil creek]

i tried it out today with a bolt pistol and it was nice

[hybrid plover]

And if you close in, they go into melee. They basically have shotgunner AI

[polar topaz]

they can be staggered though the new boltgun stunlocks them well enough

[umbral parrot]

Or dodging!

[junior grail]

Oh my gaaaaaaaaaa

[polar topaz]

psyker bubble maxxing

[hybrid plover]

SMOKE STOCK ARENT EVEN IN THE SAME GALAXY ANYMORE📈 📈 📈

[umbral parrot]

I love smokes. Wish they were buffed lol

[hybrid plover]

They were.

[umbral parrot]

Who else can say: C-19 Alpha smokes?

[polar topaz]

make them proc bleed

[umbral parrot]

Make them deploy faster!

[junior grail]

Only buff I want is Enemies in Smokes get a small highlight

[umbral parrot]

I hate dropping a smoke on my feet and i have no dodges left. I'm like "Pop, pop!!!!"

[hybrid plover]

They do.

[umbral parrot]

WHAT?!

Let me see

[cerulean grail]

Nah, just make them behave like Poison globes

[hybrid plover]

Near instant honestly

Feels really good to use them now.

[polar topaz]

Dclaw is now a hookrat

[umbral parrot]

Oh heck yea!!!!!

THAT'S LITERALLY what i needed!

[void dragon]

is the Dueling sword still the evil toothpick we know? dont recall any nerf to the damage profiles of its heavy attacks

[polar topaz]

special attack was changed to a parry

[hybrid plover]

The heavy poke specifically got a finesse damage decrease

[polar topaz]

can't giga stagger things anymore i guess

[hybrid plover]

And the special was changed to parry.

Good changes honestly.

[void dragon]

which is good, they have good dodges, they should use them

[polar topaz]

I wonder if that makes the mk5 the best Dsword now?

[hybrid plover]

It's worth a try.

[void dragon]

it was the worse, do they change its values to be in line with the others?

[umbral parrot]

OOOOH I like this new Bolt Pistol!

It really has a... pop!

[torn root]

no more p.sword 2 shots on crushers?

i cry, but i understand

[polar topaz]

no changes afaik so with the others being nerfed maybe it's stronger than them now?

[umbral parrot]

Still can!

Just don't get toughness!

[void dragon]

worth trying, will be neat to actually use a more fair and also balanced DS

[torn root]

gunna have to clip that, cause i cant even hit the 2 shot anymore with brutal momentum when i was with out it before

taking all the damage nodes too

[umbral parrot]

Need this.

[torn root]

if its locked behind ability usage the dream is gone, was nice while it lasted

[umbral parrot]

AND this.

[torn root]

i embrace my autogun even closer now

[polar topaz]

nerfd

[torn root]

got this

[umbral parrot]

It's good now. Love the sliding buff.

[surreal rune]

did they forget superiority complex

[umbral parrot]

And it is positioned really well too.

[void dragon]

Skirmisher is actually goated, you can use it in a real fight

[umbral parrot]

All the way in the top now.

Yea, Skirmisher works even if you slide back! That's the real fun part!

[red robin]

damnn

[clear palm]

So what's the concensus on the Falchion? It seems like its really struggling against Armor.

[red robin]

mmf stacks are upkept with melee weakspot hits

[torn root]

you sure? looks like its still about the same

[polar topaz]

the burstfire ones iirc got a carapace nerf

[umbral parrot]

It looks like they're really trying to buff baddies then

Mainly Crushesr really

[torn root]

yeah IAG The only thing i think that didnt change on ttk for crushers, that and the plasma i think

time to hang up my rusty old p.sword

dang

[polar topaz]

try the new power falchion

baby relicblade

[tame lodge]

Actually still 2

Psword can hit 6k easily

[torn root]

need a clip and the nodes cause ive been in this damn range for too long

still cant

w/o an ability*

[umbral parrot]

if i'm reading this correctly. This buffs range damage then too, huh? You just need a melee weapon to active it?

[torn root]

actually it 2 shots with a double crit lmao

[void dragon]

I haven't tried so far, but I can imagine that born leader Exe stance can become a really nice team toughness battery if allowed to run uninterrupted, specially since it seems that sustain MMF stacks for toughness regen is easier than ever

[hollow ibex]

i think they fucked up a bunch of ammo counts

[tacit sonnet]

Yes

https://i.vgy.me/Vjc2vn.png

[umbral parrot]

Frick yea

And yea, the fits the weapon sepcialist vibe now that you mention it

[torn root]

from 2 to 3 hits isnt the worst change to be honest

new muscle memory tounlock

1 stack of skirmisher is all it needs too

hope i dont die trying to stack it XD

[polar topaz]

backslide I guess

[desert valve]

Just use stamina curios with sprint efficiency.

[torn root]

i do use stam curios, no sprint tho

[desert valve]

I've gone entire maelstrom missions without letting go of the sprint key.

[torn root]

was a 17 stam vet before the changes

[desert valve]

Because I count as dodging while sprinting.

And I regain stamina by dodging.

[umbral parrot]

I still go 3 3 3 stamina.

[torn root]

you can still get stamina by just running at bullets

[desert valve]

Yes

[torn root]

ty fatshark for not shafting us

[umbral parrot]

Vets love to breath hard!

[torn root]

VoC untouched is nice too

[tame lodge]

loud gas mask breathing noises

[desert valve]

I will not drop below Max Stacks of Skirmisher if I'm running my "Frenzon Addict with a Chainaxe" build.

[torn root]

skirmisher seems like its just gunna have like 90% uptime

[umbral parrot]

Opinion on this? I feel like this is only good for a Beast of Nurgle killer build.

[torn root]

this is nice for gunning too

infiltrate shenans?

or hitting things not aimed at you

[desert valve]

Trench Raider + Chainaxe

[umbral parrot]

Lol.... good point

You make me wanna use that

Oh wait

Range backstab tho!

[desert valve]

Give in to the Bloodlust

[torn root]

yeah just shooting XD

infil gunner, try it

hehe

[desert valve]

It's okay if you're using the Bolt Pistol though.

Really chunky damage.

[torn root]

we're slightly beefier too now i think

like 45ish more toughness for me at least

[umbral parrot]

I think our builds move more smoothly. I still think our Tactical Awareness nerf will hit us the hardest.

We can't use VoC as our safety net anymore.

[torn root]

healthier game makes a sad vet

BUT

might be more fun now, less ability spam

more sweat

[hollow ibex]

why do the new vigilants sound like they're suppressed

[spark helm]

Any perk combinations for the p.falchion that people been enjoying?

[uncut pebble]

@final stone for the warphanage.

[gentle yoke]

How is the new power falchion? I haven’t tried it yet

That and does anyone have a good build for helbore? I don’t have a clue what my perks were before this update

[lucid ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-loud-scream-girl-kid-hispanic-girl-gif-3761151244536557927

[tall torrent]

they one shot whole toughness regardless of gold toughness

[tame lodge]

Fatshark heard remove gold toughness from the game and made an enemy to remove gold toughness

[mortal aspen]

the plasmagunners should have a chance to just explode themselves

[desert valve]

It's a Jack of all trades, Master of none.

[desert valve]

They wait for their gun to cool down between shots, unlike our Dumb asses.

[gentle yoke]

Really want to make my helbore headshot build again. Gonna tinker around in the talent tree for a while

[hollow ibex]

jfc

psword can still 3 shot crushers

rashad 4 shot

[mortal aspen]

they buffed crushers to compensate for vet buffs

[hollow ibex]

the power falchion doesn't feel too shabby

[tall torrent]

it's quite significantly lower dmg than rashad and power sword
can't rly think of a reason to use it over rashad besides the cleave which isn't even that good and requires stacking wrath

[hollow ibex]

just kinda mid

[gentle yoke]

I just love my sapper shovel. Idk if I can still one shot crushers though with it

[tall torrent]

tldr no

most things cannot 1 tap crusher atm

TH on dmg juice build
evis/chainaxe activated heavy with FotF
krak
that's about it

[gentle yoke]

Just finished doing a whole build setup on talent tree and darktide said fuck that. Gotta set it up all over again

They buffed crushers?

[cerulean grail]

This is good. I just want them to spawn in higher numbers now.

[hollow ibex]

might just be a UI bug, switch to another build, and switch back

[gentle yoke]

Nope gotta redo it smh

[sharp epoch]

guys shout vet is ded

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/british-cop-screaming-screaming-sad-gif-1879411192175791821

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-over-it's-gif-3551756699416095564

[ancient path]

first impression of the falcion is its not really a weap id rock for exe stance

[spark helm]

I guess people could try to be carried by infiltrate. :]

[ancient path]

but exe stance feels nice now a days

[spark helm]

Eh you could probably swing it tbh.

[sharp epoch]

infiltrates really bad with the 45 second cd and the tac awareness nerf

[spark helm]

I'll believe that when I feel it out for myself.

[gentle yoke]

Did they nerf the power sword? It feels worse now

[ancient path]

i think id rather prefer psword for exe stance.

[spark helm]

The "really bad part"

[ancient path]

because my autogun build i use shredders so

i just need to kill carapiece

[spark helm]

idc about the numbers fr. as long as I don't have to basically fight against my kit more than the rest of the game I'll run it

[ancient path]

but i should really wait till i have falcion max level

[barren nimbus]

Is the chainsword havoc ready yet

[sharp epoch]

no

[spark helm]

I'm not exactly sure if p.falchion is the kind of melee weapon that needs to be held up a bit by some quality of life talent choices. Zero clue.

[hollow ibex]

plz add revolver to the list

[spark helm]

You really could just try it

[hollow ibex]

[spark helm]

I'm figuring out some perk combos I'd like.

[ancient path]

large fish, pls just buff IAGs to the heavens except for vraks.

[tall torrent]

meme build doesn't count in my book

[fair river]

DAMN

[ancient path]

me agripinna iag needs love

[hollow ibex]

not a meme build, it works 😠

[gentle yoke]

What’s a good havoc setup for Vet rn?

[spark helm]

Try out some marksman's focus builds or something, probably worth it if you haven't been trying already.

[gentle yoke]

Preferably not lasgun

[hollow ibex]

you don't even need that much damage juicing to get the one shot on revolver

[spark helm]

Anyone hip to a solid generalist perk combo for the p.falchion. I've just been running Flak/Maniac for the safety

[polar topaz]

I've been using maniac/carapace

[hybrid plover]

Honestly. Good.

[gentle yoke]

Damn I can one shot anything unarmored with the helbore so far

[turbid ibex]

Dishonestly, bad

[hasty pasture]

Big iron vet still fun to play

[spark helm]

It genuinely still is but plasma gunners just force you to be slightly more deliberate if you're not dropping them fast enough

[hasty pasture]

New Mark on bolt gun feels meh

[hybrid plover]

Now if they actually buff infiltrate in a meaningful way to offset the tac awareness nerf. I'd be real happy.

[gentle yoke]

Just dodge the plasma

[wind spoke]

Need to try the Mk1, but so far I'm mixed om the Mk IIb Flachion. I really like how long the charge can last, but it feels noticeably weaker outside of it vs. the relic blade/patterns are meh.

[hybrid plover]

Is a mixed horde monster tbh

[hasty pasture]

Its okay. I just like playing with fan fire revolver still

Falchion wasn't anything crazy either

[wind spoke]

need to try new bolt pistol mark, seems perfect for close quarters doomguy build with the big aoe

[spark helm]

I like it in Ws builds. Nice thing to use to weave in extra cc if you got some really slick melee setup.

Not too shabby for headshotting weaker elites. Haven't played around with shooter builds that might take it further in the damage department

[uncut pebble]

@faint beacon the "fuck gale" tweak.

[hollow ibex]

new agri doesn't feel bad tbh

[sharp epoch]

whys psykinetic aura just straight up better than tac awareness now?

[hollow ibex]

cuz psyker suffers

[lucid herald]

Ranged finesse strenght only gives more weakspot damage right? I'm asking this cause I'm debating whether or not I wanna use marksman's focus

[uncut pebble]

Yes.

Finesse is headshot damage.

[tame lodge]

And critical

[hybrid plover]

They're trying to keep shout in line.

[lucid herald]

It buffs critical damage too?

[tame lodge]

Yeah finesse is weakspot and critical damage

[hollow ibex]

marksman focus is different. it's just strength against weakspots. not finesse related

[sharp epoch]

it just hurts the other abilities a lot more like infiltrates 60 second cd is even worse

[lucid herald]

But it says "ranged finesse strenght"?

[torn root]

in all fairness this did get a similar nerf too no?

[tame lodge]

Yup

[torn root]

any kills during the duration just refreshes

[tame lodge]

Think it was 200% before or something

[torn root]

psyker does still get to spam shriek tho

[hybrid plover]

ES is virtually untouched tbh

Infiltrate though. Yeah it got shafted real hard.

[mortal aspen]

maybe they'll hotfix the CD

xdd

[sharp epoch]

Vet got nerfed a lot harder 6 second per specialist to 2 seconds and its capped every 3 seconds

[hollow ibex]

it doesn't...

[sharp epoch]

and it's still specialist only instead of elites and specialist

[hollow ibex]

i mean you're talking about a class that is on its third tree

[lucid herald]

I am talking about marksman's focus

not marksman

[torn root]

doesnt say ranged strength but it IS still ranged strength [technically]

[hollow ibex]

FS plays favvorites and doesn't hide it

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah then that's modifiers for weakspot hits/crits

[lucid herald]

Aight

[hollow ibex]

specifically the bonus damage from critting + hitting weakspot

not the full damage

so MMF will provide more damage if you're running a high finesse weapon

[torn root]

stagger too iirc

[hollow ibex]

yeah cleave and stagger are part of strength as well

[lucid herald]

So I get bonus out of it if my shot is a critical but doesn't hit a weakpoint? Correct?

[hollow ibex]

though i mainly just care about damage

[desert valve]

Because it does both of those jobs serviceably without sacrificing any performance in either regard.

[hollow ibex]

• you crit
• you hit a weakspot
• you crit and hit a weakspot

[lucid herald]

Good

[desert valve]

Critical Damage & Critical Weakspot Damage stack.

[tall torrent]

it's ~half of power sword's dmg and ~80% of rashad's single target dmg when activated
has exact same dodge and sprint profile as rashad
and the blessings are meh

it's ok for what it is