Ewww auto gun?!
#veteran-class
rancid egret
thin stone
Lol
jolly quail
i need one more point to have them both
hybrid plover
And those would complement knife particularly well
plain shore
how this build looks? any changes?
hallow cove
sorry we aren't pandering to exclusively plasma/ps/combat knife/recon
jolly quail
ah got it i found a way to incorporate them both at the cost of 25 toughness
hybrid plover
Knife double barrel is peak now...
tall torrent
can u be slightly more specific
and what melee
rancid egret
how this build looks? any changes?
Where you trying to focus range but with some melee survivability? If so. Then it's decent. Not the best though.
jolly quail
just stopping at tac awareness on the middle path
viscid trellis
so does opening salvo work with shock trooper?
hollow ibex
so does opening salvo work with shock trooper?
Yes
hybrid plover
just stopping at tac awareness on the middle path
Ima be real. With vets potential toughness regen, you could take a toughness hit
rancid egret
sorry we aren't pandering to exclusively plasma/ps/combat knife/recon
Apologies accepted, but go easy on it. Just call it gun or something.
thin stone
can u be slightly more specific
and what melee
Vigilant Autoguns, IAG, Infantry lasgun. Power Sword or that new melee
plain shore
Where you trying to focus range but with some melee survivability? If so. Then i...
im trying to like fix my old build and yes a mix of both mainly ranged but a bit of melee with PS (now myabe the new PF)
hybrid plover
Confirmed Kill and Out for Blood together are pretty easy to have and they result in crazy toughness returns.
jolly quail
Ima be real. With vets potential toughness regen, you could take a toughness hit
yea i still have comfirmed kill and CAB + i run voc on this
so 25 less toughness shouldnt be THAT bad
small mason
Ewww auto gun?!
have you considered that you are not welcome here and should consider feeding yourself to the nearest availible hive fleet immediately?
hallow cove
The auto in gun.. auto gun gives me PTSD
what if i said automatic ballistic machine?
jolly quail
cant lodge in out for blood though
tall torrent
Vigilant Autoguns, IAG, Infantry lasgun. Power Sword or that new melee
modify according to weapon
u said 3 guns that use diff builds
rancid egret
If you know the lore context.. if someone told you to fight nurgle deamons with an auto gun.. your cooked. If you like physical ballistic weapons, just use bolters.
plain osprey
I am kinda tilted where they put onslaught... Kinda threw a wrench in my infantry autogun gunner build.
This is the best i could come up with
jolly quail
its so good tht close order drill is free now
gilded wraith
Wait, does that work now? The interaction was buggy last time Reginald tried it out.
rancid egret
I kind of wish you started with an infantry auto gun, then the other auto guns early on to make it clear they're starter weapons and only good on malice or lower difficulty.
thin stone
I am kinda tilted where they put onslaught... Kinda threw a wrench in my infantr...
AYOO FELLOW LEGION ENJOYER
Lessgo
plain osprey
AYOO FELLOW LEGION ENJOYER
Howdy
thin stone
I got a legion too
stuck gorge
I am kinda tilted where they put onslaught... Kinda threw a wrench in my infantr...
Alright cue the terrible quality picture of a meme about people not seeing print screen button
midnight totem
Wait, does that work now? The interaction was buggy last time Reginald tried it...
I don't know tbh, but hopefully
jolly quail
u start with kantrael iirc
rancid egret
im trying to like fix my old build and yes a mix of both mainly ranged but a bit...
I'll send you a good build after work 10 hours from now at the dead of midnight my area timezone PST later on for you. 
bitter turtle
man
even though
its not hard to take onslaught for recon now
its funny
im still just like
gilded wraith
I don't know tbh, but hopefully
Might be worth some psykanium testking before you put a point in
bitter turtle
"not sure if this is actually worth" 
plain shore
I'll send you a good build after work 10 hours from now at the dead of midnight ...
sounds awsome bruv thx ^^
bitter turtle
hi
plain osprey
Alright cue the terrible quality picture of a meme about people not seeing print...
Buzz off. You and everyone of you. I know how to screenshot, but i have discord only on my phone (long story).
So i would have to send the screenshot via email to my phone... Too much fucking work. Buzz off
bitter turtle
crusher hp got buffed right
stuck gorge
:(
bold sierra
I played around with this infantry lasgun exec stance build today in H33, it actually performed so damn well, you're just a tanky boi if you just keep up the MMF stacks while in exec stance. Even better if you got chorus zealot or a vet with shout with you
rancid egret
have you considered that you are not welcome here and should consider feeding yo...
Have you? I don't even know you. 
bold sierra
was 3-shotting Reapers too i believe, headshot
bitter turtle
damn they are tanky now
jolly quail
fr
bitter turtle
takes a whole extra knife atk to kill
rancid egret
what if i said automatic ballistic machine?
Acceptable 
stuck gorge
bitter turtle
jesus christ
stuck gorge
current crusher health now
serene sage
Buzz off. You and everyone of you. I know how to screenshot, but i have discord...
I won't say anything about taking pics but gamelantern site might be faster/easier to share than taking 3 diff pics lol
bold sierra
jesus christ
tbf, I think that was needed, given the extra dmg and dps we got out of the tree reworks
bitter turtle
maybe thats why onslaught still doesnt feel worth lol
and yea im not against it
im just like damn
jolly quail
didnt they change the "play" button on mission select lol
small mason
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1420120132704796843/i...
slightly decreased the amount they are alloud to spawn (there will be no noticable decrease in the number of crushers you are going to die)
hybrid plover
Yeah crusher spawns are dumbed down a little.
serene sage
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1420120132704796843/i...
krak nade stock went up?
hybrid plover
Play a little and did notice it
serene sage
is it worth it to ever bring krak for them big boys?
feels like frag better still?
gilded wraith
krak nade stock went up?
Up yes, frag level? Probably not.
hybrid plover
krak nade stock went up?
All grenade stocks went up
bold sierra
slightly decreased the amount they are alloud to spawn (there will be no noticab...
I see A LOT LESS clown-cars of Crushers now tbf, you get maybe like 2-3 clumped up here and there but noticeably less, so far in H33 anyway
gilded wraith
You can blend in with the.... Circus?
hybrid plover
This sucks
I'm not even bothering with the twitch drops
bitter turtle
falchion feels pretty meh to me
rancid egret
Looks like a Walmart zeentch cultist tbh
gilded wraith
Sadly it looks simliar to a Gi Joe character... that I probably would have bought as a kid.
hybrid plover
They're so out of place
unreal forge
fast shale
This sucks
No sense of fashion at all 0/10
midnight totem
You know, I think vet's serrated blade should be changed slightly. Zealot's bleed increases crit chance. Ogryn has the same bleed but inflicts more on heavy hit. I think vet's bleed should increase his stamina regen or move speed or something.
serene sage
damn no one uses ping keystone anymore huh
jolly quail
so is explosive bolter or explosive bolt pistol better?
seeing how low the mag count is i would say bolt pistol ?
hallow cove
both seem less good
jolly quail
they do tbh
rancid egret
so is explosive bolter or explosive bolt pistol better?
For the stagger aoe I'd say pistol if support. Regular bolter if focusing on crowd control damage.
gilded wraith
I think there's an ammo count issue across the board on a number of weapon families.
hybrid plover
New bolter weapons have way more utility imho
jolly quail
theoretically i like the idea of trading some on hit dmg for splash and stagger but it seems like the costs are too steep
raven pier
seeing how low the mag count is i would say bolt pistol ?
10% less or smth
bold sierra
so is explosive bolter or explosive bolt pistol better?
honestly I'm vibing witht he single-shot hipfire bolter so much, a lot of control. The less dmg doesnt really affect breakpoints that much, esepcially with the bleeding blessing.
Plus, CC.
hallow cove
the best cc is death
bold sierra
hell the explosive bpistol I saw can stagger BULWARK in one shot sometimes
jolly quail
ill give it a shot after this knife recon build then 🙂
hybrid plover
And specifically, boltgun synergizes very well with pinning fire.
bold sierra
the best cc is death
I mean, it's death WITH cc.
raven pier
And specifically, boltgun synergizes very well with pinning fire.
dyk if the aoe applies bleed from puncture
bitter turtle
dyk if the aoe applies bleed from puncture
no
bold sierra
like I said, the lower dmg is a non-issue given the blessing the bolters have lmao
puncture is puncture
jolly quail
lets see what these plasma boys are about
gilded wraith
@hybrid plover Stuck this in as a bug report, who knows, maybe it will bear fruit: Issue Description (Required):
Tactical Awareness was revamped to mirror Bruiser and Psykinetic Aura, but unlike the other two CDR talent trigger conditions it appears that “or Ally in coherency” was left out of the code for Tactical Awareness.
bold sierra
the innate explosion AoE on the new Bpistol is really cool tho, you can build for another blessing
bitter turtle
besides the slide counting now
skirmisher also works properly with knife sprinting now too
hybrid plover
<@109528432425062400> Stuck this in as a bug report, who knows, maybe it will be...
I mean, I unfortunately don't think it's a bug but it's worth a try to see
bitter turtle
even more reason to take it
tacit sonnet
how do you use smoke greandes?
bitter turtle
you know how people use psyker bubble
tacit sonnet
I want to play with them now that they are not a hinderance
bitter turtle
that
hybrid plover
how do you use smoke greandes?
-
Throw them up ahead to create an opening to push forward
-
Throw one on your position while dealing with a horde to lightly stagger and also reduce the risk of incoming ranged fire resulting in chip damage.
gilded wraith
I drop it on revives, or between team and shooters. It will frequently force range enemies to relocate, or just break their AI.
hybrid plover
And revives too.
bitter turtle
if they havent changed the ai
it fucks with half the of the specialists
more than half actually
only bombers and mutants outright ignore it
idkw hy bombers get to ignore it
tacit sonnet
Do I throw them into enemies
tame lodge
how do you use smoke greandes?
Stay inside the smoke
tacit sonnet
Or under my feet
gilded wraith
Flamers donkey kicking air is always a fun outcome.
tame lodge
Whatever you do
bitter turtle
no you never threw them into enemies
tame lodge
Stay inside
bitter turtle
except when doing the stupid penance
throw them where you think you will be
for the next 20 seconds
tame lodge
idkw hy bombers get to ignore it
Iirc
And I mean
Iirc
Bombers have a different targeting system
unreal nova
@tame lodge Did path mention the Falchion dump? it's mobility, right?
tacit sonnet
obvious mobility dump
tame lodge
It should be
gilded wraith
Nah, think of it as a line of sight block. Between you and the enemy to force relocation down the paths you want, or right on your team if they are under pressure (revives, etc.). There's a mod out that lets anyone running it see through smoke. Very handy if you run with the same premade frequently.
bitter turtle
im liking
tame lodge
Unless fatdoodoo made the funny
bitter turtle
krak
serene sage
what about it?
bitter turtle
it doesnt take 10 years to go off anymore
also idk if this was changed this patch? but you start with 1 more
i remember it used to be 2 -> 3 with grenadier
now its 3->4
also crushers being like twice as tanky means i actually think its useful to throw at them
gilded wraith
Key item on smoke... if you drop it on yourself, or if your team isn't familiar with it. Gunners will not stop volleys, you have to step to one side or the other to stop getting hit if the volley started before the smoke went off.
serene sage
fair enough
bitter turtle
also indirectly too, more melee talents being easier to access means you dont need frags as much to do crowd clearing duty since you can take rashad without committing like 5 points to it
gilded wraith
I'm interested to try a Taxe build again with the ease of melee access.
and the new Exploit Weakness.
bronze atlas
does anyone know how much mobility falch needs to get the 5th dodge
tacit sonnet
at least like 60
bronze atlas
64 doesnt do it apparently
tacit sonnet
impossible
bronze atlas
i might upgrade this one until i find out then
or wait
i dont have my mods maybe you cant get 5 dodges? we'll see
unreal nova
Power output should be self explanatory
Well, just wanted to be sure. So is it just cranial grounding and something else?
bronze atlas
oh wait i forgot i need to master the thing before i can empower it lmao
tacit sonnet
What about 120% FINESSE damage?
tame lodge
Decapitator is unfortunately unreliable
tacit sonnet
64 doesnt do it apparently
bronze atlas
i have every other weapon in the game mastered so its been a minute
tacit sonnet
But 120% finesse damage
bronze atlas
https://i.vgy.me/2OiXJP.jpg
ah yeah classic fatshark
tame lodge
But 120% finesse damage
Yeah I know 
bronze atlas
you could have 5 dodges (if you had impossible stats)
unreal nova
A teammate breathes on the target
Psykers exist... Everything is likely already burning.
bitter turtle
https://i.vgy.me/2OiXJP.jpg
they want the 5th dodge listed
tame lodge
Also
bitter turtle
idk if you can get it though
a lot of weapons have a theroetical extra dodge but you cant get it iirc
tame lodge
I don't have a list of what falchion can 1 shot
spark timber
whats the best dump stat for the Falchion?
tacit sonnet
idk
tacit sonnet
I have the mod the recalculates max stats to 80%
tame lodge
Also like
tacit sonnet
I have no idea what 100% would give to you
tame lodge
Falchion horde clearing
keen sleet
whats the best dump stat for the Falchion?
Usually mobility
idle carbon
when in doubt, dump mobility
bronze atlas
im too lazy to go through my mods and disable the ones that are likely to break
jolly quail
got p falchion mobility dump first try at brunts
bronze atlas
it looks like maybe not a lot of mods broke
dawn garnet
GOD the new boltpistol sucks so much
spark timber
im too lazy to go through my mods and disable the ones that are likely to break
all of my mods barring 1 is semi functional
tame lodge
So I guess it could but won't have a good uptime
tacit sonnet
Where is this dude with perfect plasma stats in their nickname
tacit sonnet
I always forget and I need them now
dawn garnet
got p falchion mobility dump first try at brunts
now buy 50 more to level its mastery
jolly quail
now buy 50 more to level its mastery
will just play with it
tame lodge
There
tacit sonnet
thanks
unreal nova
Where is this dude with perfect plasma stats in their nickname
69 thermal, 71 charge rate.
tame lodge
unreal nova
Or 68-72.
tame lodge
How terrible is wrath on it?
Sorry
Don't have cleave values rn
spark timber
side note I just finished the "On Overwatch" Penance for Veteran. i can feel the stress leaving my body
grand perch
69 thermal, 71 charge rate.
@tired egret
grand perch
The most useful member of this community
thank you
unreal nova
Think Leakage heatsink will work?
regal belfry
what do you think about the vigilant and hellbore after the shanges
bronze atlas
whats the mod that gives you accurate tooltips lol
grand perch
vigis generally positive
tacit sonnet
whats the mod that gives you accurate tooltips lol
honestly no idea
grand perch
their carapace damage is kind of borked now with their HP increase
bronze atlas
if the vigilant had a bayonet i'd use it
tame lodge
whats the mod that gives you accurate tooltips lol
Enhanced description
calm shard
dude gun vet feels unkillable
tacit sonnet
I have over 80 mods, no idea which one does what at this point
tame lodge
Think Leakage heatsink will work?
It's competing with Cranial
calm shard
always 15 stacks MMF +exe toughness regen is crazy durability
tame lodge
But heatsink should help cooling down
calm shard
before even factoring in the extra skill points you have to spend on more GIRTH like Exhilarating Takedown
tame lodge
So leakage uptime gets a little icky when turned off
calm shard
can literally do the ogryn thing to regen my stamina where I just let myself get shot on purpose
so I can keep deadshot active lmao
unreal forge
always 15 stacks MMF +exe toughness regen is crazy durability
does MMF give you sustain now or?
spark timber
https://i.vgy.me/ho3ju7.png
whats that mod that colours in Cleave and finesse and gives breakdowns of the buff? I need it
unreal forge
ohhh
stuck gorge
does MMF give you sustain now or?
exe stance gives passive regen so tunnel vision with it is peak
calm shard
genuinely insane regen
tame lodge
Deadshot spotted
calm shard
especially if you have a few Confirmed Kill stakcs
you can just outregen virtually anything
unreal nova
So leakage uptime gets a little icky when turned off
Ah... Flak Maniac?
calm shard
Deadshot spotted
I like shooting a lot okay
unreal forge
I could already facetank gunners before, now I imagine they're entirely a joke
calm shard
And I don't mean a lot in the sense that I'm shooting into hordes like a dumbass
I mean shooting a lot in the sense that I am killing every single ranged enemy, elite, and specialist on the map single handedly
tame lodge
Ah... Flak Maniac?
Solid choice
tacit sonnet
whats that mod that colours in Cleave and finesse and gives breakdowns of the bu...
I don't know
calm shard
I unironically ran out of ammo on my laspistol last auric from killing so many ranged enemies
with that setup
calm shard
and had to pickup an ammo tin
stuck gorge
how fast does MMF decay?
calm shard
eugh
calm shard
how fast does MMF decay?
5 seconds per stack
tame lodge
how fast does MMF decay?
Every 5 seconds 1 stack loss
atomic void
unreal nova
Hard to say
Any idea which mark is the meta based on your opinions?
unreal forge
is Veteran the best class in the game again
willow prairie
yes
tame lodge
Any idea which mark is the meta based on your opinions?
Path said mk1
I'm pretty sure
calm shard
come to think of it since tree is so much stronger now
I can engage in chainaxe/shock maul supremacy
rough cobalt
Which level to upgrade weapons if I want to sacrefice them for xp? full on gold or earlier?
rough cobalt
just want to test out maxed out falchion
bitter turtle
probably
tame lodge
Which level to upgrade weapons if I want to sacrefice them for xp? full on gold ...
Green
bitter turtle
idk
tame lodge
Green
bitter turtle
Which level to upgrade weapons if I want to sacrefice them for xp? full on gold ...
spam green sacrifices
tame lodge
Time resource efficient
bronze atlas
yeah going past green gives you almost no benefit
its kinda wack
i think gold is like 30% more xp? you can salvage it and make a whole extra green
bronze atlas
i have 51k plasteel sitting around so i may as well do that i guess lol
serene sage
is that how we do it?
buy guns, upgrade to green, then sell?
bitter turtle
yup
rough cobalt
or just buy green I guess
serene sage
sell or sacrifice, is there a difference?
high goblet
is that how we do it?
buy guns, upgrade to green, then sell?
sacrifice
glossy falcon
Sacrifice
stuck gorge
sell gives dockets, sacrifice is xp
bitter turtle
sacrifice, selling just undoes your work
bronze atlas
yeah sac only gives xp salvage/sell only gives resources
jaunty sphinx
wrath+cranial grounding sound good on the falchion?
high goblet
wrath+cranial grounding sound good on the falchion?
Reginald over youtube had a tutorial for it
pretty usefull
jaunty sphinx
oh ok ill watch his then
high goblet
nw
stark pollen
Marksman's focus stacks refreshing on weakspot hit even with a melee weapon makes it so easy to maintain 10+ stacks.
jaunty sphinx
oh shit fr?
bronze atlas
lmao it refreshes on melee too? thats pretty good now
stable socket
i can't scroll down the talent tree - does anyone know how to fix this?
open cosmos
Where did they move scourge
tame lodge
Where did they move scourge
Bottom left
open cosmos
Devious bastards are going to make me use the crit build to use the crit build
Clever girl
keen sedge
Wrath + Cranial or heatsink + cranial for the falchion?
high goblet
yo, i know this is not LFG, i rlly need to get 1 achivement in the bag. "on overwatch" so, i need me 3 hunky guys to 3 man a mission
bitter turtle
you can just pug it
just build a very defensive build
you can always take 1 hit at full toughness and take 0 hp dmg
so just run shout or stealth and press button the moment you take 1 hit
keen sedge
this is mine rn so any changes? cuz i might switch wrath for heatsink
tame lodge
Wrath + Cranial or heatsink + cranial for the falchion?
Honestly
Cranial Heatsink
Wrath wasn't worth using before and it's not going to be worth using now
Hordes? Just frags lol
jolly quail
yea the new boltgun is actually very fun
scenic vapor
how about the crainial and the oneshot one?
jolly quail
that splash is sweet
bitter turtle
i dont really understand the niche of the new falchion
scenic vapor
the weapon has a good moveset for hunting heads
tame lodge
how about the crainial and the oneshot one?
Decapitator is unreliable
Good on paper
Not so much on practice
open cosmos
Am I missing something or were there huge zealot buffs in this patch?
open cosmos
The new tree looks strong
keen sedge
how about the crainial and the oneshot one?
decapitator isnt that great since the enemies you one shot are just going to be trash mobs and you'll mostly just get the bonus finesse damage on trash mobs
scenic vapor
Decapitator is unreliable
Id agree but ill do some more testing anyways
tame lodge
So
unreal nova
mk1 has the repeated horizontals
Does it?
bitter turtle
yea
bitter turtle
do 2 lights then heavy and then alternate Light and Heavy
scenic vapor
doesnt kill
tame lodge
Then you kill it with a headshot powered
bitter turtle
basically, start alternating once you get the horizontal light
tame lodge
Now
scenic vapor
i need to test it in the game tho
bitter turtle
and then for ST you can do heavy heavy light on repeat
tame lodge
i need to test it in the game tho
It's worse
bitter turtle
strikedown strikedown face poke
long dove
oh boy I get to change everything
tame lodge
You will hate Soulblaze psykers
scenic vapor
Cranial Heatsink it is i guess
tame lodge
You will hate flamer zealots
You will hate rumblers
It's good on paper
Truly
I would love if it was more reliable
But oh well
scenic vapor
does it only record you dmg as onesht or does it count any dmg?
long dove
Marksman looks good now right?
willow prairie
is helbore hotshot fixed or it still bugged
unreal nova
L1 L2 H1 L2 Repeat H2 L2
I guess it's really annoying to pull off.
bitter turtle
I guess it's really annoying to pull off.
no its not
just do 2 lights
then a heavy
and then just alternate
over and over again
long dove
is helbore hotshot fixed or it still bugged
I think that's been fixed? What was the bug again?
willow prairie
level 4 have level 1 stat and vice versa
unreal nova
Thing is, anything that hard alernates is insanely hard to pull.
keen sedge
I guess it's really annoying to pull off.
Its much easier to just Light spam since the light attacks are fairly quick and the last strike down on L3 is pretty good
long dove
level 4 have level 1 stat and vice versa
Should have been but I honestly forgot
bitter turtle
just spam lights then yea
unreal nova
I output lights more easily that heavies.
So very easy to break the combo with a light.
bronze atlas
mmmm warm
midnight wyvern
keen sedge
The L3 attack is very nice at finishing off elites/specials
unreal nova
It's just hairtrigger controller.
bronze atlas
brunt is robbing me
keen sedge
Also for some reason, L3 can do some decent stagger against stuff like ragers
tall torrent
yo, i know this is not LFG, i rlly need to get 1 achivement in the bag. "on over...
u still need help?
bronze atlas
i've had everything but mobility dumped at least twice
high goblet
u still need help?
yea
bronze atlas
FINALLY
tame lodge
does it only record you dmg as onesht or does it count any dmg?
It counts enemy health
A groaner has 300 hp total
If a groaner is at 299 HP the moment you kill it
Not a one shot
Not a proc
unreal nova
Also for some reason, L3 can do some decent stagger against stuff like ragers
Is why I mentioned it feels like obscurus L3.
Funny L3 that deletes things... or even like the Relic.
The horde mark.
tame lodge
AoE teammates are the bane of Decapitator
Even your own cleave damage distribution is the bane of Decapitator
unreal nova
AoE teammates are the bane of Decapitator
A.K.A. most psykers and oggies.
bronze atlas
i had to buy 34 greys goddamn
well i guess i can make them greens and sac them to get most of the way to 20 lol
unreal nova
Even your own cleave damage distribution is the bane of Decapitator
YOur frags.
Kapp.
agile mango
what ranged weapon do you guys reckon is best in havocs now? still plasma?
keen sedge
opinions on this build I made?
long dove
did they buff chainsword or do I just go read read notes now?
hollow ibex
They did
long dove
opinions on this build I made?
using a site for that?
keen sedge
did they buff chainsword or do I just go read read notes now?
they buffed the special to deal more damage
long dove
Ahhh Chainsword worth using now or not?/
tame lodge
what ranged weapon do you guys reckon is best in havocs now? still plasma?
Helbore
Plasma
Recon
tame lodge
Bistol for grenadier
bronze atlas
is it truly the era of the helbore???
hollow ibex
Seems decent now though won’t be meta
keen sedge
opinions on this build I made?
but is this a good enough build?
hollow ibex
is it truly the era of the helbore???
Has been for some time tbh
tame lodge
Ahhh Chainsword worth using now or not?/
I'd say yes
bronze atlas
i havent played vet in forever
bronze atlas
the patch adding new sights is exciting
languid rose
Anyone has a fun melee build?
midnight wyvern
zealot chat won't answer the question chatters, so I come to you chatters
did zealot lose any attack speed?
I have someone saying it did but im pretty sure it kept all the nodes it had before and got more
tame lodge
which helbore with what build?
Helbore mk3 if you're learning Helbore
Helbore Mk4 if you want a good damage per shot
tame lodge
zealot chat won't answer the question chatters, so I come to you chatters
did z...
No
It got more
long dove
Helbore mk3 if you're learning Helbore
Helbore Mk4 if you want a good damage pe...
I love me Mk IV. Executioner stance or standard shouty boi?
hollow ibex
zealot chat won't answer the question chatters, so I come to you chatters
did z...
I think martyrdom got slightly less attack speed
Due to the changes in stacks
agile mango
is krak as good as frag now?
bronze atlas
im not sure the changes to exe stance are good enough lol
marty gets 2 less stacks and only the damage was tweaked to compensate yeah
bitter turtle
exe indirectly got "better" compared to voc and stealth causae of the tac awareness nerf
long dove
I think martyrdom got slightly less attack speed
Martyrdom will forever live in my head as dropping a nade on death
tame lodge
I love me Mk IV. Executioner stance or standard shouty boi?
Executioner Stance is peak Helbore
But shout ain't so bad
bronze atlas
shout is still shout
scenic vapor
It counts enemy health
A groaner has 300 hp total
If a groaner is at 299 HP the...
yeah thats what i was thinking
agile mango
reckon it's worth it over frags?
bronze atlas
thats so annoying lol
it could so easily be like "a one shot is when they're over 80%"
tame lodge
Yes
agile mango
what keystone do you typically run with it?
tame lodge
Have been competing with plasma since forever (more precisely since Battle For Tertium)
bronze atlas
krak has always been a really nice grenade since it deals with all kinds of problems
tame lodge
what keystone do you typically run with it?
Marksman Focus or Focus Target
bronze atlas
i feel like now you run left keystone
since its juiced
and apparently stacks refresh on melee weakspot hits
hollow ibex
Weapon specialist helbore
agile mango
Marksman Focus or Focus Target
what melee you reckon is best to run with? what grenade?
hollow ibex
Very viable
bronze atlas
Weapon specialist helbore <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090> <:thumbsup_ogryn:10634...
objectively wrong because if you swap to melee you're not using your bayonet
pliant spire
Sooo what blessing are nice on new sword? Is is closer to dueling sword role or power sword role?
plain osprey
I am trying to make a Grenadier build. I have two points nodes left. Any recommendations?
hollow ibex
what melee you reckon is best to run with? what grenade?
Taxe or psword, and prob frags
hollow ibex
objectively wrong because if you swap to melee you're not using your bayonet
Too bad the bayonets suck
tame lodge
Sooo what blessing are nice on new sword? Is is closer to dueling sword role or ...
Closer to none
agile mango
is Bistol lethal prox still great in high havoc for grenade vet?
tame lodge
bronze atlas
they're glorious though
tame lodge
is Bistol lethal prox still great in high havoc for grenade vet?
Oh yeah
Grenadier got buffed as well
hollow ibex
they're glorious though
They’ve been nerfed like 3 times 😭
midnight wyvern
Weapon specialist helbore <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090> <:thumbsup_ogryn:10634...
Vig gun exe/marksmen is nutty
bronze atlas
i bet the new bistol mk is crazy on grenade vet
long dove
How's this for Helbore build?
midnight wyvern
i bet the new bistol mk is crazy on grenade vet
its aight
bronze atlas
They’ve been nerfed like 3 times 😭
that will never make me regret going over the top to stab some krauts
midnight wyvern
they need more AoE damage or more damage in general
their gimmick doesn't do enough lol, but the stagger is nice
bronze atlas
ah thats a shame
it sounded like it might be that way from the notes
if it isnt cleaving at least dont nerf the direct damage!
agile mango
is agile engaement worth it?
midnight wyvern
is agile engaement worth it?
yes
midnight wyvern
eh
frank basin
woah i now can pick perk that is above the other skill node?
unreal nova
i bet the new bistol mk is crazy on grenade vet
Imo, eh.
long dove
Does my helbore build look decent? I'm not very smart in the ways of builds
midnight wyvern
it could be nice on hellbore with maybe deadshot but thats an expensive ass build
agile mango
skirmisher worth?
midnight wyvern
yes
its nuts now lol
used to break from sliding now you get it from sliding
and sprinting
tender pasture
Skirmisher is a bonkers damage buff
unreal nova
Does like 96 damage in an AoE.
stuck gorge
Does my helbore build look decent? I'm not very smart in the ways of builds
are you doing good dmg in the psykanium?
unreal nova
Barely any worth.
bronze atlas
all the real build goblins hang out in the lab (meat grinder)
stuck gorge
im using MMF and it feels nice to basically 1 tap everything but crusher/mauler
agile mango
anything I could change with my build so far? think lethal prox bistol and uncanny knife.
long dove
are you doing good dmg in the psykanium?
I think I still one shot Crushers
midnight wyvern
the other Mk is just better at the same job, cuz it'll kill more things and has more ammo
bronze atlas
tfw you gotta @ people instead of reading 2 more lines
long dove
tfw you gotta @ people instead of reading 2 more lines
suffering from success
midnight wyvern
MMF is beri nice
frank basin
FT nerfed 8 stack to 6
unreal nova
the other Mk is just better at the same job, cuz it'll kill more things and has ...
No... OG Bistol is better all round. They lowered the damage too much. You don't hit BPs as well.
frank basin
from 5 to 4 base
unreal nova
Anything that was 1 shot is now a 2 shot.
midnight wyvern
No... OG Bistol is better all round. They lowered the damage too much. You don't...
that is what I just said
pookie snookums
midnight wyvern
hammerblow the gun
frank basin
tac awareness got reworked, nice
why psyker is also got reworked too?
i find psyker is okay
gilded wraith
FT nerfed 8 stack to 6
If you mean Focus Target, I think it was a net buff.
frank basin
reduced base stack from 5 to 4
hollow ibex
The individual stacks got buffed
long dove
Is Rending Strikes worth using on a shotgun build?
hollow ibex
Same case with martyrdom
plain osprey
How would y'all make a grenade build?
long dove
get the nade nodes
Pretty much
plain osprey
Outside of that Captain obvious
rough cobalt
I may be weird but I'm starting to like Falchion, tho it may be just ease of use compared to power sword and constant turning on power with it
Tho I would like advice on what Perks to take on it
bronze atlas
now im looking at the falch blessings and like
why??
plain osprey
Just wanted to check of i am on the right approach
midnight wyvern
if it says grenades it goes in grenade box
can go with whatever ability you want
and survivalist is still the only aura
bronze atlas
2 perfect block talents, like 4 heat talents, basically no damage
neon estuary
whats the best blessings for the new powersword?
midnight wyvern
whats the best blessings for the new powersword?
wrath/cranial grounding
rough cobalt
wrath/cranial grounding
How about perks?
bronze atlas
straight up all the other blessings are bad lol
midnight wyvern
seems to be up in the air but flak maniac works perfectly fine
I enjoy the MkI with that setup
was outdamaging a zealot lol
might be because WS side is bonkers but we won't tell them that
bronze atlas
decapitator would be good except the game is super strict about one shots
frank basin
did they remove the born something give 10% dmg on ability use at middle tree?
midnight wyvern
did they remove the born something give 10% dmg on ability use at middle tree?
yes
frank basin
so it was bad?
midnight wyvern
not necessarily
unreal nova
How would y'all make a grenade build?
All the obvious, Bistol so everything is to either support melee or getting Bistol to 1 shot.
midnight wyvern
puncture does gods work
bitter turtle
How would y'all make a grenade build?
its easy to get all the grenade nodes now
so just pick all nade nodes
unreal nova
puncture does gods work
Even factoring that in. Some targets like to troll and doesn't die to it.
midnight wyvern
I don't think i have maniac on mine and it sometimes kills trappers from bleed on body shot lol
gilded wraith
Tactical Awareness is the only significant nerf that I've found. Sadly its moved into dead last for ability cooldown regeneration. Infiltrate uptime gets hit the worst from it.
unreal nova
Also, Tox flamer as well.
frank basin
woah, lock and load 15% clip size
unreal nova
2 shots.
frank basin
yus
midnight wyvern
woah, lock and load 15% clip size
bolter
frank basin
im going put on six shot
unreal nova
And the second is like... 8% HP left esuhohuguophjdtgdtdxthjodft
gilded wraith
Exstance?
midnight wyvern
Tactical Awareness is the only significant nerf that I've found. Sadly its move...
yea it makes sense for game health but damn it feels bad sometimes
gotta shake off the muscle memory of how often shout was up before lol
Exe stance doesn't care
and I never used infiltrate so oh well
unreal nova
I mean, as long as they buff everything else to be good... Sure?
hybrid plover
Yeah I do wish they'd rather try to dumb down shout itself. But this is a good start.
gilded wraith
yea it makes sense for game health but damn it feels bad sometimes
I'd like to see it get the "or allies" treatment that psyker and ogryn have.
hybrid plover
Just need to actually buff infiltrate in an actually meaningful way if they're going this route
midnight wyvern
I'd like to see it get the "or allies" treatment that psyker and ogryn have.
same
bitter turtle
just make on overwatch not increase cd
agile mango
anyone have a build that uses power falchion?
hybrid plover
Hot take.
I don't think any of the classes should have that contingency.
frank basin
shrimisker, path still say they're bad, as still right?
hybrid plover
shrimisker, path still say they're bad, as still right?
What???
midnight wyvern
english pls
hybrid plover
Skirmisher is near overpowered at this point.
hollow ibex
just make on overwatch not increase cd
That and base CD needs to go down
gilded wraith
Comparing Shroudfield to Infiltrate post rework is depressing.
unreal nova
They are asking is Skirmisher is still bad... if Path said anything about it.
hollow ibex
Infil is pathetic
midnight wyvern
Comparing Shroudfield to Infiltrate post rework is depressing.
hollow ibex
They are asking is Skirmisher is still bad... if Path said anything about it.
Nah it’s good
midnight wyvern
I sure do love 100-0ing every boss on the map
frank basin
so is oaky now
hollow ibex
said they are bad
Path said it’s good 
hybrid plover
Nah Path was straight up saying its one of Vet's best nodes.
unreal nova
Nah it’s good
I'm just translating.
hybrid plover
And probably one of the best damage increase nodes in the game.
frank basin
Path said it’s good <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
i remember he said is bad last time, so i ask this
hybrid plover
i remember he said is bad last time, so i ask this
They touched it up.
hollow ibex
It was bad but now it’s good
frank basin
okay, so path changed his mind now
hybrid plover
More than I was expecting.
midnight wyvern
its not about changing their mind
hollow ibex
okay, so path changed his mind now
Yes after it was massively buffed lol
bitter turtle
they made it work with sprint knifing
midnight wyvern
its objectively good or bad now and before
bitter turtle
which i appreciate
midnight wyvern
lol
hybrid plover
They didn't change their mind persay. Its uptime was significantly buffed.
Literal night and day difference.
bitter turtle
a lot of jank was removed
the biggest problem before was if you did any movement tech it just doesnt do anything
hybrid plover
I was using it yesterday and it was hard pressed for me not to have skirmisher stacks.
midnight wyvern
didn't sliding used to drop the buff too?
bitter turtle
yeah sliding did not count before
crude wind
Skirmisher is an S tier node
midnight wyvern
hollow ibex
S for skirmisher
hybrid plover
Kinda turns vet into a dps monster under the right circumstances
crude wind
for reals
frank basin
what happen to plasma?
hollow ibex
Nothing
crude wind
does require some micro to keep up though
frank basin
no changes
crude wind
I generally dislike dodge sliding
frank basin
just still light spam attack?
hybrid plover
25% damage from skirmisher, 20% damage from exploit weakness, and 25% melee/ranged damage from agile engagement
agile mango
grenade tinkerer worth it?
hybrid plover
Right side is absolutely beefed up.
midnight wyvern
grenade tinkerer worth it?
kraks yes, others if you have a flex point for smokes
agile mango
kraks yes, others if you have a flex point for smokes
so not worth for frags?
hybrid plover
Shredders and kraks, yes.
midnight wyvern
radius is nice for shredders but I haven't seen alot of people take it
crude wind
grenade tinkerer worth it?
it's a pretty good talent
hybrid plover
Smokes, debatable
crude wind
30s smokes are no joke
midnight wyvern
Shredders and kraks, yes.
crude wind
especially in havoc
midnight wyvern
yeah 30s smokes in the event are literally run savers
hybrid plover
30s smokes are nice
midnight wyvern
fucking plasma spam 😭
agile mango
should I drop grenade tinkerer and supriority complex for +10% ranged damaage and precisoin strikes?
crude wind
the plasma spam is definitely humbling people
midnight wyvern
just post the build
midnight wyvern
the plasma spam is definitely humbling people
only because its BS lol
unreal nova
the plasma spam is definitely humbling people
You plasma back.
agile mango
crude wind
I think they are good enemy, I just think they have too much hp right now
midnight wyvern
basically snipers with no warning while being tankier than other gunners AND having carapace head
stupid enemy
unreal nova
I think they are good enemy, I just think they have too much hp right now
More like, there needs to be a limit on them.
hollow ibex
crude wind
yeah it's fucking dumb when there's 6+
hollow ibex
This middle pathing is so ass
unreal nova
I watched an arby go down in auric because and suddenly, rail gunned by 6 of them.
sharp epoch
just dodge the plasma gunners 😎
willow prairie
lol the fact you can upkeep exe stance with melee is so stupid
crude wind
but tbh i knew this was coming so
willow prairie
i hope that get changed
midnight wyvern
sharp epoch
lol the fact you can upkeep exe stance with melee is so stupid
its not that stupid, you dont get bonuses really other than that small toughness gain
crude wind
lol weird hill to die on but okay
unreal nova
just dodge the plasma gunners 😎
Come back to me after playing on 300+ ping.
hybrid plover
i hope that get changed
Wait why tho
crude wind
i don't think it's stupid at all
agile mango
so what do I drop for precision strikes?
willow prairie
Wait why tho
i mean current exe is strong and it easy to get 100% uptime already
sharp epoch
old exe stance you instantly lost it on swap that just sucked for poxbursters or even melee chaff
willow prairie
also being supposed "ranged" ult you can somehow extend it by melee attack
mortal aspen
More like, there needs to be a limit on them.
5 carapace head tanky snipers spawning at the same time is wild
agile mango
keystone upgrade node
need to drop one more thing now for precision strikes; any suggestions?
midnight wyvern
they advertised them as specialists
yet they're elites
and spawn and act like shotgunners
and have carapace heads, and have more HP than scab gunner
crude wind
need to drop one more thing now for precision strikes; any suggestions?
+1 grenade
easy
crude wind
you have both grenade sustain talents, you don't need the +1
sharp epoch
also being supposed "ranged" ult you can somehow extend it by melee attack
I think the point is darktide is a melee focused game so giving exe stance some leeway to actually work is how they balance it
slow spade
Plasma just team wiped me :c
bronze atlas
falch special > l3 kinda nice... this thing is pretty nice
midnight wyvern
its nice to have something new but I wish they stayed as specialists
unreal nova
5 carapace head tanky snipers spawning at the same time is wild
They can spawn in larger packs. That's the problem. Try dealing with 8 of them and a captain.
willow prairie
it kinda make sense when it was ass
sharp epoch
And I still think shout is gonna be taken over exe stance
bronze atlas
psword is still psword but the falch seems fine, i wish it had real blessings
midnight wyvern
They can spawn in larger packs. That's the problem. Try dealing with 8 of them a...
see above clip
lol
mortal aspen
They can spawn in larger packs. That's the problem. Try dealing with 8 of them a...
yeah that's kinda busted
bitter turtle
need to drop one more thing now for precision strikes; any suggestions?
drop tinker probably
mortal aspen
and man, new auric is just spamming elites and specials
midnight wyvern
I am loving new auric
agile mango
+1 grenade
it gives 20% of an extra free grenade too now though, and I'm trying to spam shredders w/lethal prox
mortal aspen
it's fun, but like
bitter turtle
unless they changed tinker with shredder
midnight wyvern
I haven't seen a captain outside of the event though
mortal aspen
so many fucking bombers
midnight wyvern
so that might've been bait
bitter turtle
it only affect the radius, not bleed dmg
not that thats bad
but
if you're gonn ahave to drop something
that or 25 toughness
crude wind
it gives 20% of an extra free grenade too now though, and I'm trying to spam shr...
it will give you far, far less value than precision strikes
agile mango
drop tinker probably
do you know if +25% radius is multiplicative with lethal prox?
bitter turtle
idk how it exactly stacks
willow prairie
i mean
bitter turtle
it does stack though
midnight wyvern
precision strikes is basically an always take, 30% weakspot damage is stronk
jolly quail
cranial + heatsink or cranial + wrath on the falchion ?
tropic notch
need to drop one more thing now for precision strikes; any suggestions?
Depends on nade if shredder drop tinker
willow prairie
also with plasma gunner gold toughness got indirect nerf
crude wind
cranial + heatsink or cranial + wrath on the falchion ?
i did cranial heatsink
unreal nova
see above clip
Basically what I mean. Most I have seen is closer to 12 of them.
tropic notch
If krak take tinker drop twin blast
crude wind
wrath will probably be the pick for Havoc though
tame lodge
cranial + heatsink or cranial + wrath on the falchion ?
Never Wrath
jolly quail
i did cranial heatsink
if u get a lot of enhanced uptime it could be good
midnight wyvern
Basically what I mean. Most I have seen is closer to 12 of them.
if no smoke there we all die
tropic notch
cranial + heatsink or cranial + wrath on the falchion ?
I do carinal wrath
midnight wyvern
I'd put money on it
crude wind
if u get a lot of enhanced uptime it could be good
it's pretty dece
sharp epoch
also with plasma gunner gold toughness got indirect nerf
do they ignore gold toughness? I havent played them yet
tame lodge
Not even for havoc
tropic notch
Flak unyielding
jolly quail
i dont play havoc yet anyways only damnation/auric
unreal nova
Like... karking hell, WTF is this unfair BS?
tame lodge
Never Wrath
midnight wyvern
do they ignore gold toughness? I havent played them yet
they set toughness to 0
agile mango
Depends on nade if shredder drop tinker
why is it different for both?
bronze atlas
the new helbore sights are usable!!
willow prairie
do they ignore gold toughness? I havent played them yet
they destroy your toughness completely
midnight wyvern
doesn't care about DR or gold
sharp epoch
they set toughness to 0
old scab bombers flashbacks
bronze atlas
RIP fatass sightpost
bitter turtle
why is it different for both?
double nade is worse for krak cause its wasted except bosses and sometimes packs
bitter turtle
tinker is meh on shredder bc it doesnt actually affect dmg
tropic notch
why is it different for both?
Krak is more single target shredder is mixed horde annihilator
unreal nova
except these are hitscan
GL dodging at 300+ ping. It's just 12+ rodins firing at you.
mortal aspen
fatshark, pls make kraks home on unyielding
doesn't it already?
midnight wyvern
no
tropic notch
You want more damage for single target , you wanna throw more nades for mixed hordes
sharp epoch
How are the plasma gunners audio queues though?
should be easy to dodge if theyre noticeable
tropic notch
I’m still trying to minmax my vet
And zealot
And psyker
This update is insane
I’m very happy
unreal nova
How are the plasma gunners audio queues though?
Silent if too many.
midnight wyvern
they flash a bit and have big red eyes and has the plasma charging sound but none of it is obvious enough
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEIR EVENT IS VENT PURGE
tropic notch
It’s the same as rodins
unreal nova
I hear them on Uprising.
tropic notch
The plasma is easy to dodge
agile mango
for my melee with the lethal prox bolt/shredder build, should it be the new falchion or is uncanny knife the way to go?
unreal nova
I get my toughness go poof on Auric with 0 warning.
midnight wyvern
The plasma is easy to dodge
when its one of them, and you know it exists
slow spade
my vet got 3 tapped by them
midnight wyvern
they should just be specials
unreal nova
my vet got 3 tapped by them
Same if Rodin shot you.
slow spade
Same if Rodin shot you.
the difference is there were 10 of them
unreal nova
Is why I said, it's liek fighting 10+ Rodins at the same time.
mortal aspen
you can't suppress them, right?
unreal nova
you can't suppress them, right?
You can only knock them around or kill them.
mortal aspen
😭
quartz girder
not a fan of plasma gunner sound design so far
mortal aspen
shotgunners are telegraphed VERY well though
quartz girder
i like everything else about em though
mortal aspen
I can dodge them without looking
unreal nova
its just shotgunner with extra fuck you
Shotgunner but sniper range and not even toughness can help you.
granite sky
yea plasma gunner just seems like it was already done better as just sniper or shotgunner
unreal nova
Also, ranges from you can hear to... TOO MANY SOUNDS SO SOUND ENGINE GO BLEP.
midnight wyvern
I like the idea, the execution is probably one of the worst for an enemy
make it a specialist, GG
slow spade
they just feel unfun
unreal nova
And then you see an arby instantly die from 6 of them shooting him.
midnight wyvern
they should be weaker than dreg gunners if they want to keep them as elites
unreal nova
No sounds on my end btw.
granite sky
we already had infinite range nuke special as sniper and more common close range nuke elite as shotgunner idk why they added them tbh
midnight wyvern
like, tanking wise, should not be carapace, should not have more HP, should not be harder to kill and kill you harder
its not even about the challenge they pose, im fine with that
crush my nuts in a vice
mortal aspen
they gave maulers plasma guns basically
midnight wyvern
but they're just so sleeper
get spammed by sniper shots with no indication where they're aiming and with a low amount of reactability
midnight wyvern
they gave maulers plasma guns basically
So weeeeeeak
granite sky
I feel like they purely exist as a way to nerf gold toughness and it wasn't thought about otherwise
unreal nova
Also, warning sounds is one thing... Warning about 10+ targets is next to useless.
You still get hit, by one you don't see.
midnight wyvern
which is also hilarious
willow prairie
same for burster
midnight wyvern
because their event pairs them
quartz girder
snipers i can actually hear lol
midnight wyvern
willow prairie
plasma gunner just make havoc shield meta more necessary
shit especially bad as ogryn
granite sky
no wonder why dome shield got the totally unneeded CD nerf on top of the universal CDR nerfs
willow prairie
ok did you even tried the update
tall torrent
all well deserved
willow prairie
because you can still shield spam as psyker
midnight wyvern
yeah lol
quartz girder
just make the plasma gunner charge up louder and its all fine lol
stuck gorge
Come outside we will hurt you.
pseudo fiber
Can someone feed me a vigilant build
midnight wyvern
its why the lasers go through it
midnight wyvern
Can someone feed me a vigilant build
@grand perch
willow prairie
Can someone feed me a vigilant build
yeah it called boltgun
mortal aspen
willow prairie
boltgun + exe stance goes hard
midnight wyvern
I went looking too lol
mortal aspen
pretty poggers, but I can't aim sadly
mortal aspen
tru
willow prairie
it can be strong
mortal aspen
vigi seems to be doing pretty much the same thing but less clunky
willow prairie
but it requires aiming in melee focused horde shooter
I think you can see the problem
mortal aspen
with that build in the video I could onetap a crusher too in auric, not sure about havoc
willow prairie
too much work tbh
midnight wyvern
they still feel fine
im very used to bolter and they're similar
one rectangle, one triangle
willow prairie
use weapon customization mod no sight fr
ironsight in this game just infuriates me
midnight wyvern
the fact that weap customization is just allowing you to use things that are in game is
cringe
mortal aspen
I probably will. I want to use Exe now with these precision weapons
I need good sights
midnight wyvern
just add them already shart fart
hollow ibex
what's the point of helbore?
Better ammo economy and fares better against big targets
mortal aspen
I did a whole match of auric and I don't think I dropped below 100 ammo on vigi
I was shooting constantly
without picking up anything
midnight wyvern
hollow ibex
only thing bigger than a crusher is a boss lol
Crushers maulers bosses
midnight wyvern
when you say fairs better, what is your definition of that lol
cedar spire
one down 5 to go
mortal aspen
vigi is probably more reliant on crit headshots than helbore?
hollow ibex
when you say fairs better, what is your definition of that lol
Kills them faster, that’s about it
rough cobalt
Would Heatsink not be better on Falchion compared to Wrath considering it has realy good cleave in powered mode?