veteran-class

[faint beacon]

Agri its Surgical atp

[dusty sapphire]

So how about that krak nade buff though

[tame lodge]

Yes

[thick rose]

does krak explode faster than your team kills the target?

(lol)

[tame lodge]

Ammo nerf

[dusty sapphire]

Hopefully so

[tame lodge]

That's it

[dusty sapphire]

Kraks were so terrible

Now they're not so bad i think

[hallow cove]

krak is 1sec explode now, have seen a lot less "wasted" kraks in the last 2-3 missions I was in

[tidal gust]

Anyone found a use for the new boltgun mark?

[dusty sapphire]

Cc

[hallow cove]

you mean not memes?

[calm shard]

nice

[dusty sapphire]

It has a bigger aoe and more ammo, thats it tbh

Not that phenomenal to me

[tidal gust]

Still feels worse against crowds than the MKii

[dusty sapphire]

I would say its better imo. You can get more at once

Just does less damage

[tidal gust]

Yeah but it kinda felt like it fails the second anything above a poxwalker came near you.

[dusty sapphire]

Honestly though i don't see its value for cc, slow to deploy and slow to reload with low mag count

[hallow cove]

oh with the big aoe it has does the bleed blessing work good?

[dusty sapphire]

It does

[tidal gust]

Oh right bleed blessing memes. Should do that

[tame lodge]

Hey

Afaik

[dusty sapphire]

Personally i wouldn't use it for much but its nifty i think

[tame lodge]

Puncture never worked with aoe

Just saying

[tidal gust]

So it's just an outright downgrade from the iiB, damn.

[hallow cove]

if it doesn't it should lol

[tame lodge]

Just go pinning brittleness instead

[dusty sapphire]

You sure? I think I'm remembering wrong then

[tame lodge]

Yeah we had plenty of sad people back then

Because of that

[tidal gust]

Bolt-pistol MkVI might be a decent panic stagger.

[hallow cove]

I haven't heard anyone talk about the chain sword changes, disappointing?

[dusty sapphire]

Never use it lol

[tidal gust]

No idea, haven't used a chainsword in ages. Shovel > everything.

[dusty sapphire]

I'm a power sword man

Gonna test the falchion though

[distant mural]

Its allright

The moveset is ass tho imo

On both marks

[tame lodge]

No one used Chainsword

I'm someone so I don't count

But I haven't played dt today

So dunno

Actually just got into Psykhanium

[errant prawn]

did they change how the infiltrate effect looks or am I just going insane

i swear it wasn't that bright

[serene hazel]

I use the chainsword! Great weapon; best against maulers.

[tame lodge]

💀

It's best against hordes but sure

[serene hazel]

I like bolt weapons for armor shred and also for just general use.

Big bullet go boom

[cedar pecan]

Did any content creator post a new plasma vet build? I hate working with the tree and just want the "meta" build

[hallow cove]

the patch has been out for 7 hours there is no meta yet lol

[cedar pecan]

well some content creators had early access

[serene hazel]

Also; there isn't a "meta" unless you're hunting specific specials or enemies

[balmy flume]

Welp. Enemy Plasma gunners

[hallow cove]

there absolutely is lol

[heavy rover]

yes

[solar valve]

No

Meta only

You will eat your power sword and plasma gun

[hallow cove]

I will definitely be eating my gun

[unreal nova]

So grenade boxes only give vets up to 3 'nades now.

And you can't pick them if you are 3/4 full.

Or am I bugged to heck?

[tame lodge]

Probably bugged

[hallow cove]

might be a bug, they combined the +1 nade and double nade perk, could have forgot the flag to allow pickups or something

[tame lodge]

Enhanced Blitz Arby's will only Regen to 3 grenades instead of 5

[unreal nova]

Like, I can 60 sec to 4 full or 5% RNG.

[tall torrent]

new best vet melee imo
power sword VI for pure dps
cbt axe III for blend of dps & defense
tac axe VII for defense

[unreal nova]

Also, IDK why ppl say much changed with DS4... I still poke things in the head in 4 hits.

And Path is always unamused by my build.

[tame lodge]

I will not fall for taxe propaganda

[calm shard]

waow

usable

[hallow cove]

just make it dodging pls

[native ocean]

skirmisher actually does something now yeah

[calm shard]

I mean you can slide out of dodges so close enough

[serene hazel]

I've never found a meta. I just run what I think is fun.

I love the commander build with bolt pistol, and chainsword.

[hallow cove]

costs +1 dodge tho

[tall torrent]

I'm pleased to tell u that with the new dmg talents
rashad is back on menu for vet

[tropic halo]

what does threat mean?

[tall torrent]

4 tap 6k hp crusher with decent consistency (pretty high dmg spec tho)

[hallow cove]

it means its an auto take for infiltrate

[calm shard]

I don't like it

granted I only use infiltrate on a fucking meme max damage melee vet

[hallow cove]

I can't use reaction emojis but I am making an ugly face

[calm shard]

that I barely play

so

[tall torrent]

lowkey actually think PS6 and rashad are roughly equal atm for vet depending on what u prefer

[turbid ibex]

playstation 6

[hallow cove]

i dont know who rashad is but he sounds powerful

[jaunty sphinx]

damn ig im saving on rerolls this time

[tall torrent]

gigachad weapon

[hallow cove]

blessed from the womb

oh you mean caxe3

[compact oracle]

what do yall think about deadshot with the new stamina regen and stamina talents

[serene hazel]

I hope we get a high capacity autogun for veteran and zealot. Drum mag all the way.

[feral cave]

Want to vberify something: Deadshot does not work for plasma gun, correct?

[hallow cove]

mid villain, will smith was the better fit but idris did good

[feral cave]

Am in the psykhanium rn, the stamina bar isn't popping up when I'm charging it.

[vivid ridge]

can power sword mk6 one shot bulwark or is that a shovel thing only

[orchid hemlock]

Wait Rashad is also giga broken?

[narrow widget]

j means you're lower on the priority list for enemy targeting

[woven vigil]

I hope we get this belt fed stubber that Fatshark has been teasing us with on the talent screen, for about 2 years now

[tall torrent]

u can 2 tap both ragers
4 tap the newly giga buffed 6k hp crusher
hit for ~3k on ogryns
(without agile engagement active)

[candid agate]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-15574091040572480755

[tall torrent]

I think u might not even need unarmored?

[unique orchid]

marksman's focus buff is crazy actually, thank you obesefish 🙏

[next laurel]

been using this on damnation just now, its kinda really really ass

[calm shard]

oh holy moly MMF refreshes on melee weakspot hits

okay

[candid agate]

finally i can move

[next laurel]

like giga ass

[tall torrent]

@orchid hemlock it's not as fast TTK as power sword VI but it can stagger bulwark and crusher on weakspot hit with overhead
and the push atk is medium stagger vs ragers, whereas power sword is light stagger vs ragers
it's kinda better to think of rashad as DS + PS6 hybrid in role atm

[narrow widget]

bro upgrade yo weapon 💔

[next laurel]

yeah when I get some trash to throw into it

sure

but tbh this should be fine

but its really not

[orchid hemlock]

Weakspot damage

[indigo scroll]

Did they get rid of "Determined" passive?

[calm shard]

ugh but the melee talents are so much easier to reach I dunno if I want to lose attack speed or desperado for the rending

and just shoot everything

[turbid ibex]

its built in on vet now

[calm shard]

15 stacks is obvious because big boy dps increase

[hallow cove]

bro has ass blessings, ass perks and unupgraded stats and wants to complain the new sword isn't instagibbing

[indigo scroll]

LETS GO

[next laurel]

it takes like 3 hits to kill a goon enemy

[narrow widget]

fr fr

[next laurel]

whats up with that

[orchid hemlock]

New sword is good

[woven vigil]

Maybe I am just too used to the braindead Rashad swinging, but so far I don't really like the Falchion movesets much lol. I know, probably skill issue and I just need to get used to it.

[orchid hemlock]

But didn't dethrone any of the previously good weapons on Vet

[narrow widget]

this is good

shit doesn't need to be meta defining to be good

[next laurel]

I dont know about this

[calm shard]

damn that's a HEALTHY boy

[next laurel]

this sword has zero armor pen?

[tame lodge]

Decapitator

Heh

You were set to failure

[gaunt anchor]

marksmen focus doesn't look just terrible now

[gilded wraith]

Can the 200% cdr talents stack during their 3 second duration?

[narrow widget]

decapitator overload lmfaooooo

[tame lodge]

Oh shit

Yeah

[next laurel]

can yall focus

[tame lodge]

You were set to failure

[narrow widget]

bro pick better blessings on god

[turbid ibex]

and better perks

[next laurel]

ok yall are fucking trolling

[tame lodge]

Focus on what?

I just got here

[next laurel]

on the base

[narrow widget]

you're fucking trolling w overload 💔 💔 💔

[tame lodge]

Which base?

[calm shard]

anyways what are the new bolter marks like

[tame lodge]

This?

It's body hits

[unique orchid]

oh my god they buffed the chainsword

[gaunt anchor]

'can yall focus'

My brother in the Tau'va, a new update just dropped, everyone is going wild!

[next laurel]

whatever im out I forgot darktide discord is full of garbage

[tame lodge]

No one cares about it

[gilded wraith]

No treble?

[sudden cedar]

@tropic halo Everything you do will generate threat on the enemies, making it more likely that they will attack you over someone else. This allows you to not only drop all threat you have with Infiltrate, but also generate less for a certain duration after leaving stealth, therefore.. saving you.. from getting instantly targeted in whatever potentially awkward situation you may have moved yourself into.

[elder briar]

which stat do i dump for the falchion mobility or heat management?

[tame lodge]

Basically every weapon sucks at body hits

[turbid ibex]

mobility

[tame lodge]

Don't even know why you're bringing it up

[elder briar]

gotcha

[tame lodge]

Have you seen dclaws base body against flak

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/3take-it-or-leave-it-three-take-it-or-leave-it-sbs-patrick-gif-15037514

[gilded wraith]

Fine... I'll break out the kuli guide....

[tame lodge]

Not heat management

Falchion compared to Relic Blade has longer uptime but also longer cool down period

[heavy rover]

ya right here

[tame lodge]

You want heat management up there

[calm shard]

okay so the new bolters are straight worse than the other counterpart damage wise

but have enormous explosions that stagger

[heavy rover]

I can work with that tradeoff imo

[narrow widget]

LETHAL PROX LETS GOOOOO

🔥 🔥 🔥

[tame lodge]

They saw that the new paid class was all about stagger then added ranged weapons all about stagger

[calm shard]

like damn

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/its-bleak-bleak-its-peak-peak-homelander-gif-466413946589568151

That being said

I will rename my vet to Biggus Radius

And use AoE only build

[void dragon]

Can the ole reliable Psword nuke the crushers?

They feel much fattier now

[thick rose]

vigilant autogun with voc and marksman keystone is the best shotgun build ive played

[elder briar]

ah thought as much good to know

[compact oracle]

they went from 3600 to 6500 i think

so... itll take a bit more

[dapper plank]

i feel like literally all veterans will now be grenadiers

[thick rose]

all grenade talents, shreds up

why wouldnt you

[compact oracle]

going to be a little more interested in kraks with the new crusher hp

mostly on my recon build though

[unique orchid]

it's a bit wack they buffed the krak so hard

[compact oracle]

although honestly it has a respectable TTK on crushers too

[void dragon]

Yeah, even my mk5 ogryn can't One-shot them now, that's crazy

[serene bough]

They were necessary changes

[dapper plank]

and i wonder how hard krak CAN hit now, with double throw and the +75%.

[unique orchid]

fair

[thick rose]

I havent seen a really devistating crusher train yet, maybe that will convince me to krak

[compact oracle]

crusher guaranteed onehits crushers but i think its just guaranteed to do that

as opposed to actually having 6500 damage

[serene bough]

Shorter fuse and 1 extra nade makes them significantly better to use

[compact oracle]

but i need to test once creature spawner works

[serene bough]

I need to see how tinker kraks do against crushers

[meager echo]

There's a DH at the other end of the bridge, cant shoot to that direction

[dapper plank]

i love buffed crusher health, they were so weak before

[compact oracle]

its overkill against crushers

[void dragon]

It seems bugged but I tested the mk5 on solo play and you can 2 special heavy attack them, they definitely are beefed up

[gilded wraith]

Was the rumbler touched?

[serene bough]

Is this also the case in H40

[tropic halo]

No

[compact oracle]

ah, probably not then

sadly cant test that in the psykhanium

[dapper plank]

surely tinker krak 1shots auric crushers?

[compact oracle]

regular krak 1shots auric crushers

[tropic halo]

Still can one shot crushers

[dapper plank]

ah nice

[serene bough]

Im more curious about H40 crushers not auric

I forget how much dmg kraks do baseline

[meager echo]

crusher is no problem

[vapid nacelle]

are Kraks still pretty much only single target?

[meager echo]

the scab plasma is the new problem

[compact oracle]

hard to test now since i cant spawn monstrosities

[meager echo]

cancer af

[hallow cove]

i got a few multikills on crusher packs

[unique orchid]

it's a plasma gun, those shits HURT

[compact oracle]

they have an aoe with decent (not oneshotting anything) damage

but way smaller than shredders

[serene bough]

Yeah you usually chuck them at bulwarks and reapers, or monstrosities to stun

[vapid nacelle]

sorry I should've clarified I meant like outside of stuff super stacked on top of each other

[compact oracle]

it should hit groups of crushers fine

[hallow cove]

had one spawn on a ledge out of bounds and snipe us 200 feet out, was legit

[calm shard]

hilarious gun

[serene bough]

Now that crushers are meaty idk if its worth using in h40 on crushers

[hallow cove]

Then no, it's still very limited

[meager echo]

if you run into a scab plasma patrol + bulkwark

[thick rose]

until they make shredder not knock everything I cant see how they wont be the best

[meager echo]

it could be run ender

[dapper plank]

i think they specifically intent krak to be the anti crusher weapon

[meager echo]

pretty sure

[vapid nacelle]

Ok thank you

[dapper plank]

and monsters

are the arbiter grenades better then krak?

[serene bough]

Crushers are pretty inconsequential enemies if you can avoid the over head, which is easy to do

[dapper plank]

even if you tinker em

[gilded wraith]

Reading Bruiser, I see no mention of stacking, so I'm assuming only one instance of the cdr talent up at a time for Tactical Awareness.

[vapid nacelle]

They could buff Crushers to 20k HP and people would still find a way to kill the crusher before your krak detonates for the penance 😔

[serene bough]

Removing bulwarks and reapers is far higher priority

[hallow cove]

shredder should probably not knock ogryns tbh

[compact oracle]

never realized i can hit the bulwark with helbore above the shield

very funny

[serene bough]

But idk about h40 crushers guess we'll have to wait and see

[turbid ibex]

you get more and they explode pretty much on impact but their individual damage isnt as high iirc

[thick rose]

train could be scary now, krak might be nice to have around... solo ones aint shit still

[dapper plank]

what's even better with auric cruisher hp is that it feels even better to use spearhead on em.

[void dragon]

Half mag on the crusher, does it kill now?

[hallow cove]

Does bistols lethal prox still apply to krak nades? might make it slightly more consistent

[meager echo]

They should lower the rate of fire of that enemy, too oppressive. They are tanky as well.

[hallow cove]

They should make it so scab plasmas can't fire from out of bounds 🙂

[void dragon]

They are basically mauler's with guns

Caparace heads and flak body iirc

[hallow cove]

but they have sniper accuracy

[calm shard]

thinking of going with this+laspistol for gun vet starting oin new patch

[meager echo]

with that enemy now introduce to the game, the cooldown nerf hurt.

[normal bay]

It does but the radius was too small to matter much.

Might be different now, not sure

[thick rose]

lol im such a moron, they have a fucking BUCKET HEAD and I was head shotting them all game XD

[calm shard]

debating on if BiD is worth it over just swinging over to the right and getting skirmisher

so my infernal habit of dodge sliding turns into DAMAGE

[thick rose]

maulers I gut shot like a psycho, of course

[void dragon]

Yeah, just like the mauler's you must body shot them

[calm shard]

must bodyshot them?

[void dragon]

Now that it boost while sliding it might be worth taking

[hallow cove]

exe stance to 1 shot a mauler im crying

[void dragon]

Must? No, but many weapons benefit of hitting the flak over the body, instead of the Caparace bucket, specially ranged weapons

[calm shard]

I know it's a very sad day

[grand perch]

got chink in the armor?

its much easier to keep up now

[calm shard]

it's SO close

at an impractical distance you are never going to shoot them at for max longshot boost

and they still live

[grand perch]

have you tried moving forward as to add your movement speed to the lasbolt's velocity so it does more damage?

[void dragon]

The enemy armor works as advertised, Players have no plot armour

We all must cry

[gilded wraith]

Really wish they copied the "or Ally" part from the Ogryn and Psyker CDR talents. New Tactical Awareness takes "Find the Specialist before the Dogs or the DoTs" minigame to a whole new level if you run Infiltrate.

[calm shard]

have you tried using audio queues

and like a shotgun or smth

[calm shard]

would have to drop something that gives more damage for it

[winged bane]

are we so back?

[spark helm]

Never left, genuinely, just got better.

[void dragon]

Can't you rapidly charge shot into quick tap to kill?

[gilded wraith]

At best, we might have kept pace with the other classes, but probably not.

[tall torrent]

Get both

Why not

[calm shard]

man

[thin stone]

Suggest veteran build utilizing lasguns and power sword

[grand perch]

mind showing the build?

[spark helm]

Speaking of the new unit, what's it made out of? I genuinely didn't pay attention, just killed it with weapons that would already check armors.

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1420093777925767169/image.png?ex=68d424e4&is=68d2d364&hm=124f13798bd3a640466a6015a91111296508b2ffa03cec44e54ef21d07ba28ac& nyeh

just spitballing my usual scuffed gun vet build for the new layout

[turbid ibex]

flak body and carapace head

[grand perch]

giving up shocktrooper might be worth the crusher oneshot

[calm shard]

no

[grand perch]

or dropping one toughness talent at the top

[calm shard]

no

[spark helm]

Mm, makes sense with one infantry lasgun run I had. Figured it was similar to maulers

[calm shard]

I would sooner drop melee attack speed

but I also don't want to do that

[grand perch]

well see it that way

[calm shard]

skirmisher does slightly more damage than BiD tho

[grand perch]

if you oneshot loads of crushers you dont need to deal with em in melee

[calm shard]

so I think I'll take that over it

yeah but I'm gonna be shooting everything else too

[hallow cove]

you probably get there with the ranged backstab perk yeah?

[outer wolf]

Dump stat on falchion?

[gilded wraith]

Uptime should be really interesting for the next week if it's working.

[winged bane]

saw a video of the revolver two shotting a crusher

[gilded wraith]

With all the new talents.

[calm shard]

does that look like their back to you

though that's not a half bad idea if I use infantry autogun on gun vet

take that+raking fire

bane of burgles

[spark helm]

Mobility is usually the safest bet. I haven't bothered with some testing so generic dump stats are my go-to.

[hallow cove]

I'm saying the 30% ranged backstab instead of long shot, thought it might kill

[calm shard]

longshot is +35% damage at that distance

and still they barely live

[hallow cove]

25??

[gilded wraith]

Longshot is good.... that's gonna take a minute to digest.

[calm shard]

+10% and up to +25%

[hallow cove]

10 within and 25 outside?

10 within

[calm shard]

oh

reading comprehension moment

still I'd have to headshot a crusher from behind and that's easier said than done

with their gamer posture

[spark helm]

Never learned but do you need to be fully behind them or just hit a zone that's considered behind them?

[hallow cove]

lol just take infiltrate :^)

[dapper plank]

now that i can't oneshot crushers, i feel like precog is a good replacement for thrust

[spark helm]

No problem but it's never a bad thing to understand if you're trying to make use of backstab effects.

[rough cobalt]

So, what's the general opinion on new power falchion, is it good?

[spark helm]

Usually, on my zealot I just sneak in backstabs on mobs and solo goons when they miss.

[hallow cove]

immediate psykhanium testing seems to be any thing past their arms is "behind"

[spark helm]

Apparently it's not as good as a power sword but it's not a slouch of a weapon by any means so far with what I've been doing. Nice horde clear, similar combos to the mkx relic for the mk1 p.falchion so if you're familiar with that, use it the same way. I didn't exactly pay attention to monstrosity and boss damage but feels good enough. Not like you're going to be at a total loss using it.

[fresh mango]

how are the new autoguns? anyone made a fun build with em yet?

[spark helm]

Makes sense. Considering that, it's not too difficult to slide those kinds of things in even in close quarters barring untenable scenarios where one might just need to focus on facing things directly. And of course, infiltrate can also just be used whenever it's available to make the shot happen.

Raking fire definitely about to get looked at again by me. I've used it before plenty of times but want to see what it can do now especially with recent changes. So many more opportunities to squeeze things in.

[grand perch]

i have
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkmYM-WjYHM
its just finishing encoding

[hallow cove]

what is the first clip? Auric?

[grand perch]

yup

[hallow cove]

Well hey I wanted to have a more m1 garand feeling option, seems good

[spark helm]

You try this with other melee options? I don't mind t.axe but I prefer something with more reach usually.

[grand perch]

taxe is just my favorite, but i would recommend either power sword, the new falchion or some other safe pick, since youre not investing in melee talents really

[tame lodge]

Backstab?

It's 120° behind them

Flanking is 180°

[raw needle]

darktide

[spark helm]

Is that the same angle as vermintide? Never knew but I played the hell out of Shade

[hallow cove]

Then it's labeled wrong, cause I'm getting the extra damage at 180

[tame lodge]

Could be

Fatshark is like that

[raw needle]

uh

isnt it backstab+flanking in the desc?

or am i mistaking it for a zealot talent that specifies that

[hallow cove]

id post screenshot but it says +30% to Ranged Backstab Attacks

[spark helm]

Mm, was just wondering. That's typically always the case for me with veteran when I'm not 100% sure about trying some combinations and just say fuck it lemme just use the strong option that doesn't need to be babysat with talents to squeeze out better performance.

[raw needle]

whats the talent name again

[hallow cove]

covert operative

[spark helm]

Covert Operative, second tier talent in the cluster. Bottom right of it.

[tame lodge]

Oh flanking

180°

[hallow cove]

ranged backstabs are flanking I guess

[raw needle]

whoever writes those descriptions is illiterate

[tame lodge]

Yeah basically

[raw needle]

funny thing is that they did use the term flanking for the first time this patch

[tame lodge]

Backstab should still be 120°

[raw needle]

in zealot's tree

[tame lodge]

Did kuli update zealots yet

[gilded wraith]

Darktide without Kuli guide would be rough.

[raw needle]

yes

everything is up

[tame lodge]

Sweet

[raw needle]

fatshark moment

[tame lodge]

I saw that zealot was the only thing kuli hasn't updated

[raw needle]

their developers are segregated i think

[hallow cove]

I guess the question is was it intended as ranged flanking bonus or did they really mean the 120 backstab

[raw needle]

whoever writes desc for talents cannot communicate at all

with the people that code it

[raw needle]

judging by the string name its intended

but idk

hard to tell whats intended

[hallow cove]

I mean that's assuming the developer implemented it correctly

[raw needle]

we cant know for sure where the actual idea lies

[tame lodge]

Flanking and Backstab are the same same but different

[raw needle]

i think what you wanted to say is that flanking includes backstab in it

[native ocean]

that's such a stupid distinction

[turbid ibex]

So if its a backstab its also flanking but not necessarily the other way around

[hallow cove]

I was curious if the zealot perk got a double dip for being both flanking and backstabbing

[raw needle]

good question

[tame lodge]

Unless flanking is exclusively ranged

And backstab is exclusively melee

[loud kiln]

I'm darking it, I'm gonna tide

[hallow cove]

"ranged backstab" lol

[hallow cove]

So seems like there is no such thing as ranged backstab or melee flanking

[raw needle]

wait

flanking is ranged

[slow spade]

pain

[raw needle]

and backstabbing is melee

so this shit is just poorly worded

[heavy rover]

The backstab is the 180 degree cone?

[raw needle]

they shouldve used the term flanking

[loud kiln]

Flanking is what the commisar did to your mom after the reworks /j

[raw needle]

but no one told the people making the desc

that they use the actual term lol

[tame lodge]

That's flanking

Backstab is 120°

[hallow cove]

Yeah ranged backstab doesn't exist and that probably wasn't well communicated to the front end boys

[heavy rover]

Ah

[raw needle]

flanking is also exclusively ranged

backstab is melee

[raw needle]

and yet zealot's talent does differentiate and uses both keywords correctly :^)

[loud kiln]

So I'm understanding the convo, are we discussing the degree at which the audio for ambush attacks play?

[spark helm]

No, distinctions between flanking and backstabbing. Clarity of player interaction.

[hallow cove]

No someone asked what the angle for "ranged backstab" was and it turns out it doesn't exist and the talent should read "flanking damage" or "ranged flanking damage"

[raw needle]

tldr fatshark cant write descriptions

nothing new

[hallow cove]

It's a front end typo for a talent that works in the backend

[loud kiln]

Is the audio que same at least?

[hallow cove]

Bro I don't even know what a backstab sounds like lol

[tame lodge]

Basically
If it's not on your line of sight
Then it plays the sound

[loud kiln]

K cool

That's all i needs to know

Dodge when sound plays

[spark helm]

It's similar to the crit sound without the orange visual iirc.

[tame lodge]

Well line of sight isn't the proper word

Field of Vision

There

Better

[spark helm]

There's a sound cue for successful backstabbing in vt2 that has a similar mixing situation.

[lucid hinge]

what are the best perks on helbore again?

[hallow cove]

I heard that there are no iframes for dodging in DT but mobs stop tracking your position during the dodge and that's how damage is avoided, is that right?

[turbid ibex]

For melee yes

[hallow cove]

damn

[turbid ibex]

You do get iframes when dodging for ranged enemies iirc

[hallow cove]

I know sliding has them for sure

for ranged*

[loud kiln]

They also delay their trageting. When they actually shoot, they don't track

Something I've noticed

Unless your a gunner

To which, fuck dreg gunners

[hallow cove]

While I'm asking questions, how are smoke grenades supposed to work? I notice that frequently I'll throw one and dreg gunners will just continue to fire thru it

[slow spade]

they lose tracking on you but they'll fire where they last spotted you

[spark helm]

Haven't used them in a minute so I forgot but it's usually nicer to throw them into enemies to force them to stagger and give you time.

[cobalt bay]

what is the dump stat for power falcion?

[spark helm]

Mobility is often the safest bet

[hallow cove]

morbility

[serene sage]

is there a single weapon where the dump stat isn't mobility?

[hallow cove]

weapons with collateral I guess?

[spark helm]

Usually that's down to preference in some weapon cases

I don't like doing it typically unless I'm going for something very specific.

[hallow cove]

I bet you can run a lasgun of some sort with ammo as dump as vet

[loud kiln]

Recon las with onslaught

[spark helm]

I...personally wouldn't do that but maybe.

[turbid ibex]

dueling sword iirc, some weapons with defense stat, ripper guns

[midnight totem]

Knife

Hrm. Can't seem to two tap crushers anymore with power sword

[cobalt bay]

how goods power falcion vs dueling sword?

[turbid ibex]

Also weapons that dont even have the mobility stat in the first place

[spark helm]

For recon lasgun, sometimes people can find use in dumping collateral to make using the gun in melee more liberal but 60% mobility is often never the end of the world. Having it at 80 for a gun like that and any melee weapon that accommodates that choice turns you into a pretty flexible mobile cretin.

[red robin]

Do dmg buffs apply to bleed or shredder explosion dmg?

[tame lodge]

Falchion should have better horde

[pseudo fiber]

falmer dumps damage

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1420105421368201336/balls.mp4?ex=68d42fbc&is=68d2de3c&hm=c87c80bd7a2f32a3038fb681785d30e2b378c067689600163e7e3dc9de7ce563&

lol

[cobalt bay]

Im getting ready to power level falcion so I wanna know if its worth using over dueling

[tame lodge]

Throw wherever you're going
And stay inside the smoke

If you stay inside they'll stop shooting

[red robin]

Like infiltrate underhand shredder might be neat due to 30% dmg during invis and after invis

[orchid hemlock]

What about Rashad? 🤔

[tall torrent]

not nearly as fast

[orchid hemlock]

[tame lodge]

Power Sword dumps cleave target

[spark helm]

Just use it if you want, man. It's not really something that falls short of being able to address hordes and weaker elites.

[spark helm]

I fucking hate that but understand why. Genuinely don't like it without the full cleave damage. It's not super necessary but I like that whenever I just happen to get forced into using it unpowered.

[tall torrent]

yea
power sword (cleave targets)
combat axe V (cleave targets)
infantry autogun V (ammo)
etc

[midnight totem]

Cleave target, not cleave damage

[willow siren]

bunch of psyker stuff dump warp res too, or did, probably hasnt changed

[spark helm]

Misspoke but I meant cleave target.

[tame lodge]

All but VoidSTRIKE dumps wr

[midnight totem]

Tbh, I think 60 to 80 cleave target is like

[fresh mango]

new boltgun fucking slaps

[midnight totem]

... half a scab bruiser?

[tame lodge]

VoidSTRIKE dump is Blast Radius because the bowling ball is the damage not the explosion at the end

[tame lodge]

It depends on the weapon

[willow siren]

i lvoe that all of that came down to math shenanigans

[tame lodge]

But say

[midnight totem]

Power sword

[tame lodge]

Power sword

Unpowered

At 60 cleave targets

Is 10.9 cleave

Unpowered at 80 cleave targets
Is 11.7 cleave

On the big sweeps that is

[tall torrent]

this is activated

unpowered is 3.2 vs 3.6

too low to matter

[midnight totem]

What's mass of a scab bruiser again?

[tall torrent]

3.5

[midnight totem]

Right

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah
Fuck

I forgot about it

Woops I guess

But still

10.9 or 11.7

[midnight totem]

Anyway, can't seem to two tap crushers with power sword anymore

Unless crit or focus target

[tame lodge]

Same thing for lights on the evis15

Except l4

Then it's 8 vs 9

[cobalt bay]

is the new bolter worth using btw

[tame lodge]

Yesnt

[midnight totem]

I heard its decent

[tame lodge]

It's not a direct damage bolter

But like

[cobalt bay]

a splash bolter?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

Bigger aoe

Less direct impact damage

But like

[spark helm]

Very nice in ws builds I've used.

[tame lodge]

Why bother

Just kill the target

[pseudo fiber]

mk3 falchion feels better than the mk1

Maybe I'm hitting more weakpoints?

[cobalt bay]

speaking of falcion best variant and best perks?

[midnight totem]

I like the base variant for hordes

Other one for elites

[spark helm]

Haven't used that mark yet but mk1 is relic mkx so pretty versatile and potent enough to not be lacking on debut.

[midnight totem]

Neither are lacking

[tame lodge]

I think people said mk1 is better

But I'm not sure

[midnight totem]

I use the same blessings on it that I would use for relic blade

[tame lodge]

Didn't run it

And honestly not going to

[midnight totem]

Lol why not?

[spark helm]

Maybe they're on cool guy time, idk.

[cobalt bay]

can you elaborate? would it happen to be heatsink related stuff?

[pseudo fiber]

Probably should figure out which mod is doing htat

[midnight totem]

Yeah. Heat sink on headshots and on kill

[hollow ibex]

Cranial wrath is prob the least shit options

[hollow ibex]

Numeric UI lol

[spark helm]

Cranial grounding and heatsink haven't failed me but wrath and cranial grounding are very smooth.

[tame lodge]

I'm not the public target for it

[midnight totem]

Fair enough

[cobalt bay]

best perk attributes? Ive picked melee weakspot damage and elite 10% damage

[midnight totem]

I still prefer regular power sword

[tame lodge]

It's cool and what not
But it's not for me

Also psyker and zealot got buffed

[midnight totem]

And my knife

[tame lodge]

Not playing vet any time soon

[midnight totem]

Go on, get out of here traitor

[tall torrent]

new vet tree is ez

[tame lodge]

Melee weakspot is not good

Because of Fatshark math

[cobalt bay]

I made a stealth build that has similar choices, I just dont get to use keystone on vet much anyhow meself

[tall torrent]

keystones are good

all 3 are good

left keystone has weakest pathing

[cobalt bay]

good yes, if I chose a non stealth build I'd grab the weap specialist keystone in screenshot

[midnight totem]

Vet only received one big nerf

[atomic void]

vet rework path approved?

[tame lodge]

Path saying that MMF is good

Screenshot before he changes his mind

[midnight totem]

The ability cooldown

[tall torrent]

They did the bare minimum

[atomic void]

dang

well better than nothing

[tall torrent]

I didn’t realize that stacks refresh on weakspot hit

But the pathing is still ass

[tame lodge]

One of the testers saw that path didn't like the previous 7 buffs to vet

Then the tester locked in

[midnight totem]

Mmf?

[atomic void]

vet is a top 5 class now so mission accomplished

[loud kiln]

This is basically what i already run for recon las and onslaught

[tame lodge]

Probably the same tester that path was talking to

[cobalt bay]

[tame lodge]

[tame lodge]

NaV buffed vet 7 times

All the buffs missed the mark

[midnight totem]

What's mmf again?

[tame lodge]

Marksman Focus

Left keystone

Ranged keystone

[mortal aspen]

male male female

what?

[midnight totem]

Ah

[midnight totem]

Found the slaaneshi, get him lads

[ornate glen]

Marksman's Focus.

[serene sage]

get him lads
very poor choice of words

also is the double barrel shotty any fun/good?

[midnight totem]

Its okay. We have grenades.

[mortal aspen]

YES and yes

[ornate glen]

If your target isn't armored.

[tame lodge]

It's like

The best mixed hordes clearer

Or something along those lines

I particularly haven't used DB in ages

[serene sage]

I see. So if I want to shoot armor with a shotty (don't ask why), I should stick with the slug one still

[mortal aspen]

uhh

I don't think any shottie is good into armor

[midnight totem]

Yes

[serene sage]

haha I know, but what if I insist

[ornate glen]

Which armor exactly? Maulers will suffer from body shots.

[hollow ibex]

Best shottie

[gaunt hinge]

the one slug shotty

[mortal aspen]

I'm assuming when people say armor they mean carapace

because everything else is paper

[serene sage]

I know the slug shotty at least can hit crusher and not bounce

[gaunt hinge]

slug shotty staggers crushers and opens bulwarks

[mortal aspen]

technically

DB also opens them up

with the new kraks, DB playstyle is peak

[ornate glen]

Rotten armor.
Damn, those things are unbreakable.

[dapper plank]

is it just me or is power falchion shit

[serene sage]

damn I didn't realize how much I miss DT lol

[tame lodge]

It's half the power sword

[ornate glen]

Desert Tech?

[gaunt hinge]

my falchion is only 300 power but im not particularly impressed with it so far

[serene sage]

dorktide

[ornate glen]

Ah.

[slow spade]

mine is maxed out and it didn't impress me either

[tame lodge]

I legit expect a hotfix buff for it

[hallow cove]

I think that even a small change for it could swing it into "best weapon"

[bold grail]

with the new melee and some of the other ones getting changed, whats considered the "best" one

[dapper plank]

power falchion doing 800 per powered heavy strikedown is .... questionable

[ornate glen]

Tried fashion on mixed middle and right branch. Pretty powerful in my hands.

[slow spade]

it's still mk6 power sword

[midnight wyvern]

@grand perch u the vigilant build dude man?

[hallow cove]

If it just had better flak/carapace multipliers it'd be universally loved I think

[midnight wyvern]

I dont remember who I stole it off but its

3 shotting crushers is nutty

[tame lodge]

Best melee?
Power Sword 6
Rashad Axe

With Psword being king

Then we have dueling sword, knife, tactical axes

[ornate glen]

Dueling sword is peak. Always wished to parry DH to death.

[serene sage]

tac axe got better?

[slow spade]

Vet got better

[hallow cove]

I know its really boring but knife on new melee vet is bonkos

[serene sage]

lol

[fresh mango]

im thinkin thisll work well, though probably swap maniac for carapace

[slow spade]

puncture only applies stacks to the target not the AOE

[ornate glen]

Better swap MK, I guess.

[midnight totem]

The falchion has one big issue

[hollow ibex]

Taxe also got buffed in the last major patch before this one

[serene sage]

does flak hit breakpoints?

on bolter

[fresh mango]

yeah i know, i just like puncture

[slow spade]

ah ok

[slow spade]

oh speaking of flak, idk if you were around for this but Scab Ragers have Carapace chest now

[hallow cove]

I don't think any 1 shot breakpoints but I think there is a 2 shot breakpoint, would have to test for sure

[ornate glen]

Useful on maulers. They're tough now.

[serene sage]

yeah thank you! I think it's really up to me to actually boot up the game and check out the changes lol
lots of stuff got updated. im excited

[midnight totem]

The falchion can't be better then the power sword, since it uses the same new heat mechanic as the relic blade.

And it can't be better then the relic blade because zealots would bitch to high heaven (kidding, but its true)

[slow spade]

yeah just noting stuff I remember that would be useful :p

[tame lodge]

When was the last time you played?

But the answer is yes

[serene sage]

appreciate it

[tame lodge]

Buffed at

Battle of Tertium

I think

Pretty sure

[midnight totem]

So its in this.... sort of not quite there yet state, I think

[tame lodge]

Also like

I'm known for slandering Taxe

[slow spade]

yeah idk what the Falchion was suppose to be

[serene sage]

right after they do the new crafting system with Hadron
I think I played a few games during that update and then Helldivers happened

[tame lodge]

So I must say it's shit

[vapid nacelle]

I spent almost all my dockets getting a 69/71 plasma gun just to find out I don't actually like using the weapon. Not my best decision

[tame lodge]

But like they really aren't

Nowadays

But they are

[tame lodge]

Oh UnL
Yeah taxes have been buffed since then

And now vet just got better

[serene sage]

Darcy died for this kek

[tame lodge]

And our guide writer just stated that taxe 7 is top 3 melee vet

But as the Taxe is shit guy

[ornate glen]

Has anyone mentioned long-las today?

[tame lodge]

I must say that it still shit

[slow spade]

yeah, fuck snipers

[tame lodge]

Just don't mind me saying that

[verbal rivet]

anyone got a screenshot of the helbore's new rear iron sight

[narrow widget]

the agenda must continue

[serene sage]

it's okay. i hate it too kek
lowkey I can only play the game with Rashad, and maybe dclaw. knife and taxe never clicked for me

[ornate glen]

Remember vigils autoguns? Something like that.

[tame lodge]

Hey
Once they remove the cap

I will stop saying it's shit

Until then

[verbal rivet]

i haven't played DT in ages and never used autoguns

[tame lodge]

It's shit

[ornate glen]

Yeah, yeah, jokes on me. However...

[verbal rivet]

was thinking about jumping back in to see how veteran tree rework looked but i'm actually annoyed they changed helbore irons, i like express sights and they were perfectly adequate

[slow spade]

pretty sure like 90% of all vets think they were shit

granted I haven't seen the new ones though

[verbal rivet]

most vets couldn't aim anyway so

not like having a rear post is gonna change anything

[serene sage]

I like that they put weapon swap speed so accessible
love my fast switch bolter.

[tropic notch]

Do unyielding and Cara for perks

[hollow ibex]

lol

[ornate glen]

True that it's now even worse for ling range shooting. Yet, more useful for close engagements. Still bad imo.

[tropic notch]

Wish the falchion got sunder

[tame lodge]

Not even devastating strike

[tropic notch]

Could have been big

They missed

[verbal rivet]

the express sights were perfectly accurate anyway, if people couldn't line up shots it was literally skill issue

[hallow cove]

if you can't line up shots using the crosshair without irons its a skill issue

[ornate glen]

It's not about accuracy that been bad back in the day, it's about a huge heap of metal in front of your eyes that reduces your field of view significantly. But now it's both.

[verbal rivet]

express sights leave the entire field of view above the barrel unobstructed

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/badass-watch-out-oh-okay-gif-4368018

[primal zealot]

werent they misaligned anyway ?

[verbal rivet]

front bead and rear notch are all you need

[hollow ibex]

Some were

[ornate glen]

True, but I'm more used to track target, not to flick my scope to it.

[primal zealot]

was it just certain skins ?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[primal zealot]

[hallow cove]

dude is arguing about making a gun in a video game more accessible for an audience that generally doesn't even know what express sights are

[primal zealot]

did they fix those at least ?

[hollow ibex]

Vostroyan is fixed now allegedly

[primal zealot]

nice

[hollow ibex]

That’s the only one I’m aware of that was misaligned

Idk if there were others

[verbal rivet]

express sights are literally more accessible than front and rear posts, particularly rings, especially in video games where depth of field can't be properly represented. this is why a lot of games that have ghost ring/peep sight irons just enlarge the aperture

[bitter turtle]

how is the new bistol mark

[hollow ibex]

What do the new sights look like again

I saw them in a clip and they look a lot better

[hallow cove]

people were having a hard time aiming with them, that is the opposite of accessibility. There was no tutorial on how to use express sights, people didn't get it. So they changed it.

[verbal rivet]

it's literally line up bead with a rear notch

if you can't do that, idk what to say

[hallow cove]

okay dude you're a god gun nut

[verbal rivet]

the game even does it for you

[rough cobalt]

How is Weapon specialist compared to marksman focus rn? need it for my Recon/Falchion build

[calm shard]

gun vet feels so much nicer to play because I can actually get exhilarating takedown and melee talents now xd

skirmisher is also a FAT damage increase

[hollow ibex]

Stronger but neither synergizes with recon

[mortal aspen]

wtf is an express sight

[hollow ibex]

Idk but who cares

[calm shard]

Feels weird not taking tac awareness and bring it down tho

[rough cobalt]

hmm so WS would be better since it synergies with falchion?

[hollow ibex]

I just need a visible front post that isn’t 3 pixels

[hollow ibex]

Yes

though WS is still just used with big single shot guns mostly

Like revolver or dbarrel

[rough cobalt]

They're not lasers tho 😢

[verbal rivet]

it's a front bead and a rear v notch

they're the simplest irons besides shotguns which have just a front bead

[midnight totem]

I need to rebuild my power sword to reliably 3 shot crushers now

[verbal rivet]

they're called "express" sights because they're specifically intended to be fast acquisition on target, mostly seen on big game rifles

you want the most field of view and the clearest sight picture

[hallow cove]

turns out some people find one of these easier to read

[verbal rivet]

awful

[small mason]

Have Vet builds really changed all that much? Gold toughness is still the king, even with plasma ripping through it, and shredder frags are still better than smoke and krak. The only thing I see changing is that Marksman's focus might be the best keystone now with Recon Las builds but that's it

[mortal aspen]

the left one is so much better

[hallow cove]

the "best" build might not change significantly, but many builds are now possible that do pretty well that weren't even considerable before

[midnight wyvern]

🫃

[atomic void]

exec stance is way better now

for starters

tree is far less taxed

[ornate glen]

Either way the helbore's sights, combined with precision demanding fire rate remains a real headache.

[slow spade]

oh wtf yeah left iron sight is way better

[bitter turtle]

you dont get punished with no nade regen for not taking voc anymore at least

[atomic void]

better pathing

[calm shard]

less skill tax means infilitrate and exe stance are worth taking now

[small mason]

I play havoc a lot and build viewer losers are constant I just want some decent variety to be good at high level play

[thin stone]

Suggest build with Marksman Focus plox

[calm shard]

smokes are better, and kraks are genuinely worth taking now that crushers are SO fucking tanky good lord

[thin stone]

How's Brauto/IAGs now?

[midnight totem]

Big nerf to vet ability cooldown though. Hurts infiltrate particularly badly

[thin stone]

Useful in Havoc?

[small mason]

right but when is it just one crusher

[hallow cove]

The gap between the best and other options has closed significantly

[calm shard]

brauto still ass

IAG still death laser that annihilates everything you point it at

just like...a bit more now

[thin stone]

In Havoc too?

[rancid egret]

3 veterans and 1 veteran commissar is peak team

[idle bluff]

i dont play vet much, but dosent this rework have the same problems as the other 2 reworks? all the good shit being at the very ends of the trees?

[small mason]

have smokes changed? i guess they are faster to pull out but that wasn't really the issue with them

[calm shard]

smokes cost a fuckton of skill points to bring

[midnight totem]

Not really?

[calm shard]

they were -3 skill points to take because of where they were located

[ornate glen]

Nope. At least trench fighter and iron will now in the middle.

[calm shard]

now they're not super out of the way

[rancid egret]

Commissar uses shout, the other 3 just mow everything down and shoot enemies that the commissar marked. I recommend y'all trying that out.

[gritty mural]

infiltrate has no business being 45 seconds

[calm shard]

but now you can get smokes, tinkerer for them, and grenade regen super easy

[midnight totem]

Vets gets elite superiority now pretty early

[gritty mural]

it'll only take fatshark another two years to figure out infiltrate does not need a long ass CD

[midnight totem]

Its great

[calm shard]

so you can have the better psyker bubble as your blitz, and it doesn't delete your build variety options

[gritty mural]

iron will costing nothing is a huge improvement to their tree

[hallow cove]

infiltrate doesn't feel too bad, but I'd be surprised to see it in havoc regularly

[jolly quail]

hello guys

[bold sierra]

holy crap MMF + Exec stance makes you so dang tanky, I finished a Havoc 33 just now and took 0 dmg

[calm shard]

I'd be surprised to see stealth in havoc at all regardless of how good it is

[small mason]

also rip the devil's claw the dueling swords now just do everything better

[hollow ibex]

Braced is good with exec stance on auric and below

[calm shard]

Just because of how easy it is to fuck up and get someone killed by aggro dumping on them

[serene sage]

is serrated any good?

[jolly quail]

any builds

[hollow ibex]

Only with knife really

[jolly quail]

any links..;

[hallow cove]

vigilant auto gun seems to slap ass

[tropic notch]

@galeophobia how good is onslaught, skirmisher, and the ws nodes?

[thin stone]

Is it that bad?

[bitter turtle]

im taking serrated just because the other 3 talents in that row dont seem that appealing to me lolol

[hallow cove]

No it's that good, or at least fun with exec stance

[serene sage]

hihi!!

[bold sierra]

it's great vigi auto

[bitter turtle]

hi

[thin stone]

Even in havocs?

[midnight totem]

Take serrated because serrated power sword is funny

[small mason]

do we see vigilant autoguns being more useful? still seems like hyper nieche

[midnight totem]

Take serrated because it adds two extra stacks to chainsword bloodthirsty

[bold sierra]

yes, I used to run vigi auto on zealot a bunch before the patch too, it's got pretty good breakpoints for elite killing especially with surgical

[midnight totem]

[bold sierra]

and VERY ammo efficient

[thin stone]

What about crushers?

And maulers

[bold sierra]

crushers? I either just FotF Thunderhammer them lmao, Maulers can be dealt with vigi auto ez

[pseudo fiber]

The Mk3 is where it's at with the Falchion after using both

so so so much mroe fun

[bold sierra]

in the case with vet, power sword and stuff. Also now that krak is goated you can use it too

[thin stone]

Oh

Send build pls

Vigilant autogun + krak + power sword

[vapid nacelle]

Helbore feels pretty nice now

[bold sierra]

I havent done full testing with vigi auto yet, just going with what I got from before the buffs and how good vet's tree is rn. A lot of ways you can go about it now

[hybrid plover]

Ima be real. The CDR nerf does actually make shout a bit less appealing

[faint beacon]

Path wasn't lying btw

Rachud is back on the menu

[thin stone]

Rachud?

[hallow cove]

i can 2 tap auric maulers unupgraded with useless perks

[faint beacon]

Rashad

Combat Axe

[bold sierra]

buffed krak REALLY rounds out a lot of loadouts

[faint beacon]

mainly cause of Right side tree

[tall torrent]

u have 3 kraks and u get both nade regen talents pretty easily now

[bitter turtle]

rashad is much easier to take now that the good melee talents arent tucked in the bottom right

[serene sage]

early trench fighter is probably one of the nicer change yeah?

[tall torrent]

yez

[serene sage]

that said the 15% melee damage node is a little less accessible now

[tall torrent]

someone agreed with me on the playtester team

[mortal aspen]

they kind of still are?

except the 10% AS

[bitter turtle]

bottom right has good talents

[small mason]

have you played high havoc its "oops all Crushers" the game

[bitter turtle]

but you dont need to fuck off 5 points just to reach attackspeed and melee dmg ot hit breakpoints

[tall torrent]

yea?

[sharp epoch]

wow they nerfed tac awareness hard

[serene sage]

now that's a name I haven't seen in a while

[hallow cove]

I think they buffed krak range slightly, i've gotten a few more multikills on crusher packs I feel like

[sharp epoch]

i been here u been gone

[bold sierra]

it's less crushers now tbf, and krak got 75% dmg buff with that one node I think. Either way they're always bunched up together, ez multi-kill most of the times

[serene sage]

tru 😔

[thin stone]

I'll make a build and send it here, you guys let me know what to change

[bold sierra]

also, shovel + uncanny + serrated blade OHHHHH boi 300dmg+ bleeding tick crusher

it's great

[hallow cove]

change class to ogryn

[thin stone]

Bruh

[hallow cove]

or arbites

[serene sage]

ogryn stinky

[thin stone]

Why

Veteran is good

[serene sage]

give me arb build

im level 1

what do I do

[plain shore]

so now marksman focus is good?

[hallow cove]

arbites does everything vet does and doesn't die

[thin stone]

Eh

[hybrid plover]

Keystone good. Pathing bad.

[serene sage]

they don't have shout though?

[small mason]

before this patch they were easily the weakest class in the game. I don't know how they are now but it was a bad life to be a vet

[sharp epoch]

arb is broken along with ogryn

[bold sierra]

it pairs REALLY well with exec stance's toughness regen, makes you so tanky

did H33 taking basically 0 health dmg

[thin stone]

Send build

[tall torrent]

keystone itself quite strong
but has the weakest pathing of the three

[thin stone]

With doggo

[hallow cove]

shout got "nerfed" in that our cd talent got nerfed

[sharp epoch]

id need to remake it cause they nerfed a few things in my build

[small mason]

and now with the new node you can be the Arizona ranger with the big iron on your hip (6 shooter)

[bold sierra]

also plasma bois lol

[fresh mango]

how would yall build your power falchion?

[serene sage]

tac aware you mean?

[sharp epoch]

yes tac awareness got nerfed

[plain shore]

damnn heheh im trying to fix my build cant find a better pathing :<

[bold sierra]

the 15% clip size thing?

[sharp epoch]

shout didnt i think

[hallow cove]

yes

tac aware made you have like a 7 sec shout cd

[small mason]

yup triple barrel shotguns and six shooters are now a thing

[faint beacon]

Perks its still a toss up honestly but so far
Cranial + Wrath
Flak + Maniac

[bold sierra]

amazink

[serene sage]

I mean in theory if you kill specs constant it's 15s cd shout

not too bad still

[thin stone]

Why are people not sending any builds

[small mason]

flak + maniac only affects non-empowered break points right? id personally do carapace and unyeilding

[thin stone]

[bold sierra]

I played exec stance with inf lasgun and MMF in H33, it was actually so goated lmao

[sharp epoch]

just go on games latern for them

[calm shard]

Vigi autogun shreds maulers like very few other guns in this game do

[hallow cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkmYM-WjYHM

[calm shard]

I haven't checked the patch notes but iirc it had an absurdly high flak ADM

[serene sage]

gameslantern is filled with bad builds ngl
I don't trust any of them

[calm shard]

Like 1.40 or some insane shit like that

[stuck gorge]

time to copy paste the worst builds possible!

[small mason]

shredder, survialist, shout, and weapons specialist. How original. Would you like fries with that sir?

[bold sierra]

hopefully we get sth similar for inf autogun sometimes, some kind of crit blessing or buff would be dope

[tall torrent]

wat did I do to u

[small mason]

google any vet build ever and its those nodes I'm just poking fun

[thin stone]

I don't like shout, gimme marksman

[hollow ibex]

This is my go to build. 30 flex points

[calm shard]

uh

[hallow cove]

im gregnant for 30 flex points

[calm shard]

probably doesn't need to be buffed

[stuck gorge]

I get 31 flex points on my go to build but it’s close enough to yours

[fast shale]

What build you all using for recon lasgun?

[calm shard]

that screenshot is without onslaught btw it only has chink in the armour

[mortal aspen]

[tall torrent]

I mean, I have other ones
idk what ur complaining abt

[mortal aspen]

I'm stealing that one

[thin stone]

Send a marksman focus one too pls

[small mason]

shredder, survialist, shout and marksman's focus probably. could also go for executioners stance aswell

[calm shard]

with onslaught the Vraks IAG hsa the highest DPS of any gun in the game into every single health type EXCEPT for Unyielding

Because the Bolter is still higher damage into unyielding

[tall torrent]

wat weapons

[calm shard]

Vraks IAG is number 1 for everything else though

Gun is absurd

Until like 15 meters where damage falloff kicks you in the shins, but still

[vapid nacelle]

yay

[idle bluff]

we have a consensus on what the best sword roll is yet?

[small mason]

recon las he says above

[hollow ibex]

Which sword

[rancid egret]

Guys, 1 voc 3 shootas

...

[hallow cove]

no morbing

[rancid egret]

Morbin commissar 3 shooters

Trust

[jolly quail]

is it really a problem if i dont have bring it down on recon/knife

[hybrid plover]

SMOKE STOCKS ARE OFF THE CHARTS

Fuck those plasma gunners

[tall torrent]

ok but what melee

[calm shard]

not anymore really

[languid rose]

new sord funnt

[calm shard]

you can get a higher damage boost by dodge sliding every once in awhile to keep up Skirmisher stacks

[tall torrent]

what weapons??

[jolly quail]

i see

[rancid egret]

Seeing the average build recommendations in this channel:

[jolly quail]

will try

[thin stone]

Vigilant auto, iag, lasguns, brauto

Anything tbh

[hybrid plover]

If you have skirmisher and exploit weakness, you really don't need bring it down