veteran-class

[narrow widget]

It is

[serene bough]

Sweet

[narrow widget]

Stab

[tame lodge]

Or ammo dump

To get shock trooper you have to get ammo talents

So like

Fuck it

[umbral scaffold]

what should i run on my power falch?

[tame lodge]

We ball

[silver patrol]

lol another first try perfect roll then

[turbid ibex]

Charge rate means it takes longer to reach full charge which also means less damage output

[silver patrol]

sorry i'm too plasma pilled to understand

[tame lodge]

That analogy doesn't work

[atomic void]

i just realized they didnt touch plasma

[tame lodge]

Plasma had charge rate

Pretty similar function

[silver patrol]

in theory

[tame lodge]

[tame lodge]

Yeah

I see you Fatshark

I know what you are

[umbral scaffold]

energy leak looks pretty good for falchion

[tame lodge]

Cranial Leakage

Cranial Heatsink

That's it

[drifting verge]

Falchion set up?

[tropic halo]

5+ seconds of not wasting las ammo with hellbore build i am trying is insane

[silver patrol]

what about the meme explosion on full heat

[tame lodge]

Bad

I mean

Niche

[silver patrol]

Nice more like

[tame lodge]

Overload Heatsink and you always overheat

[tame lodge]

No no

Dogshit

Overload is bad

[pseudo fiber]

Perkwise cara maniac?

[tame lodge]

And falchion takes longer to cool down from overheating

So the best way to play falchion

Is turning off at high heat

So you don't get locked out

It's a skill that transfers from Relic Blade

[tame lodge]

Oh

Shock Trooper is different now huh

[tropic halo]

[umbral scaffold]

what’s the best mark for the falchion?

the base one?

[pseudo fiber]

Mk1 probably

[slow spade]

Mk1 seemed the most reliable

[tall torrent]

they did

ammo reduced

[slow spade]

no that was bolter

[tall torrent]

mk1
unyielding carapace
cranial wrath

[serene bough]

Does the MMF rending node apply only to ranged

Or is it both melee and ranged

[tall torrent]

it's significantly worse than power sword in dps

[zealous jolt]

agreed,falc feels like crap

[tall torrent]

like

by significant I mean

power sword is ~2x of its dps

lol

[slow spade]

oh wait yeah, the plasma did get reduced

when was it reduced to 112 :c

big sad

[umbral scaffold]

also i’m probably big dumb but what new bolter variants did we get?

[tall torrent]

mk3 is new

[pseudo fiber]

Seems a few weapons had that

[tall torrent]

new vet tree allows power sword to casually 1 shot bulwark btw

[slow spade]

pain

[tall torrent]

but no more crusher 2 tap unless u crit

[silver patrol]

what blessings for helbore

[umbral scaffold]

the locke mk3?

[silver patrol]

actually prob in the guide

[pseudo fiber]

The one with 12 bullet

[livid hill]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff26ddc-0668-4f81-b547-df3c7965986c/mario-im-really-fast-lemme-do-this

thoughts?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-thats-it-thats-it-is-that-it-thats-all-mr-krabs-gif-11403128690757374518

[tall torrent]

yea

[crimson mica]

Guys! The talent tree is so beautiful! I can do stuff again...

[umbral scaffold]

it seems rather useless

[tame lodge]

Surgical + Weight of Fire/Falter/Sustained Fire

[crimson mica]

Looks like they fixed the marksman keystone to make it actually usuable.

[silver patrol]

yeah, that looks about right thanks

[tame lodge]

I'm very skeptical about falter

But then again

I main mk4

Every shot is a kill

No room for faltering

[silver patrol]

it spends 9 ammo per shot on a charged shot right?

[low oar]

Oh shit. Vet doesn't have suppression immunity

[tame lodge]

Yes but shock trooper exists

[pseudo fiber]

Built in now

[silver patrol]

right

[tame lodge]

Actually vet has

It's innate

[silver patrol]

yep

[willow prairie]

is it just me or server went to shit

[low oar]

Oh
That's like completely unintuitive

[silver patrol]

did people actually spend that point on it before

[tame lodge]

Turns out the battle Hardened veteran simply forgot that he was immune to suppression

[serene bough]

Only if you used ilas otherwise no

[tame lodge]

But then he remembered

[mortal aspen]

he doesn't know

[polar topaz]

It's Sefoni's fault

[silver patrol]

yeah that checks out

[low oar]

Tbh, it was really good imo

[tame lodge]

Determined was only used on ilas

[livid hill]

Is stealth vet viable now 👉👈

[low oar]

Oh good. The zealot has a gimp mask in the store

[silver patrol]

i just usually forgot since i only used revolver and plasma

[livid hill]

Whered the marines come from

[tame lodge]

Every other weapon didn't care and still don't care about suppression

[normal bay]

I feel like Las weapons are getting shoved towards MMF

Which is annoying on recon, since it doesn't benefit much

Am I going to have to melee to conserve ammo now?

[high plaza]

what plasma gun blessings are good for an anti ogryn role? currently got shattering impact and rising heat

[silver patrol]

helbore also uses deadshot with tunnel vision right?

[low oar]

ARe you struggling making loadouts? The game had trouble realizing it even had a loadout selected

[silver patrol]

gets hot i think

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1420047581010202765/commodores-vestures-of-september-23rd-2025-november-6th-2025-v0-ha2drrnt7xqf1.png?ex=68d3f9de&is=68d2a85e&hm=78d9434f7b552e3c8ec1bcf7028684bd27caa11bff70b7d760d16573b840cf79&

[livid hill]

"Am I going to have to melee to converse ammo now" is something I feel like I wouldve said when i wad beginning darktide

Lol

[silver patrol]

well it's more anti anything

[tame lodge]

Ogryn role? like
Carapace?

We don't shoot carapace with plasma

[high plaza]

oh, ive got a nade spam build for like everything else, so probably a different gun?

[normal bay]

I'm taking recon to blast anything with zero brain activity.

Imagine using melee like a peasant

The average vet will be in shambles

[silver patrol]

you don't shoot carapace with plasma?

[tame lodge]

The best carapace shooters are Zarona revolver and Helbore 4
You're better off with a melee

[tame lodge]

4 shots for a single crusher

Actually

For a 3600 HP crusher

New one has 6k

So double that

[normal bay]

It's going to take a lot of shots to take down a crusher now.

It was already bad before lol

[tame lodge]

And 8 shots is overheating

So yeah

Plasma for crushers

Not good

[high plaza]

its taking 4-5 for me rn in psychanium, but yeah i see what you mean

[silver patrol]

i usually just shoot at the choo choo train of crushers and cleaved through

[normal bay]

Plasma nerf? No

Enemy buff? Yes

[granite sundial]

What do you mean Vet got a "rework" and still doesn't have an on-hit toughness generator? How is Arbites still a better Vet??

[cerulean grail]

Which one's the Hellbore IV again? I just saw by the way, its super efficient, but is it the highest damage per shot one?

[slow spade]

because paid class Uwu

[silver patrol]

high damage high armor pen one

low ammo economy

[cerulean grail]

Plasma requires 12 ammo to kill a Crusher, and yes it is no longer worth it.

[tame lodge]

Highest per shot yes

[cerulean grail]

I love Arbites, but hate that its basically better Vet.

[mortal aspen]

🫃

[red robin]

ayo

any science to chainsword perks and blessings?

[tame lodge]

Used to be Flak Maniacs

And the blessings were

[mortal aspen]

gigantic L take

[tame lodge]

Shred + Rampage/Sweep for mk4

Shred + Wrath for Xiiig

I got the numbers today so no real math if flak Maniacs still the best option

Arby's can't even hit 6k damage against carapace

Arby's propaganda

🛌

[granite sundial]

I really wanted to play Vet after this, but he straight up is no where near as good as the other classes. And after this update, I think his overall crit got nerfed, so recon builds got nerfed

[pulsar crescent]

Tho I prefer Arby more, but Vet after this talent rework definately feels much better

Played auric on mostly ranged build with vigilant autogun and man, it's so satisfying now to play with something that isn't shout

[granite sundial]

I'm not rage baiting, I'm dooming

[tame lodge]

Yeah I see your doom has blinded you

But oh well

I'll pray for you

But keep on baiting

[pulsar crescent]

IDK what is better for me, infantry lasgun or vigilant autogun right now

[tame lodge]

It'll work someday

[ivory aurora]

they didnt touch las rifle right

[remote sonnet]

Shock troop makes ILG better than VAG.

[silver patrol]

btw anyone got hit by a plasma dude?

[slow spade]

no, but they gave vet the +5% crit node for free so it's arguably better now

[cerulean grail]

I mean its still a what, 4-5 hit combo on Crushers for Maul? 5 shots to Kill a Cursher with Arby Shotty? Vet is a higher skill floor/skill ceiling class, but Arby is just a lazily designed class that gets free stuff. Imho.

[tame lodge]

And vet is suppression immune

[tame lodge]

So iLas is reliable

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-stop-it-stop-that-i-mean-it-gif-9694318

[ivory aurora]

hmm ok thanks!

[willow prairie]

current vet is stronger than arby but whatever

[pulsar crescent]

It has 90 las battery right now. Maybe I missed when it got decreased

[willow prairie]

uninstall uptime

[slow spade]

no dog

[midnight wyvern]

yeah lmfao

[slow spade]

I like dogs

[granite sundial]

@tame lodge What is your take on the update?

[granite sundial]

Now that's ragebait lmao

[remote sonnet]

Lasguns have always been the strongest in the hand of Vet.

[tame lodge]

Pretty good

[pulsar crescent]

I feel the same way. Arby might be my preferred playstyle, but potential in those changes are massive. But well, time will tell

[manic badger]

Are the things changed to innate perks listed anywhere? in the game UI?

[willow prairie]

ok sure

[tame lodge]

Patch notes

[willow prairie]

how to tell someone haven't try the update

[tame lodge]

It's always patch notes

[silver patrol]

that would be smart

alas

[pulsar crescent]

Also, now I want to make vigilant autogun work on Arby because I having a blast with this thing

On Vet it was super fun

[willow prairie]

vigilant buff is nice

[manic badger]

Yea it will say it in the patchnotes sure, but I've been off for a few months and don't remember specifically what every perk was that was changed to innate by name

[willow prairie]

but bolter still better atm

[manic badger]

so it's tedious to have to google every single ojne

[midnight wyvern]

just guess

[livid hill]

Lol

[cerulean grail]

Arby is just lazy, he is a much better frontliner, just behind Ogryn IIRC, but long range Vet excels at eliminating threats. A well-played Vet will cxarry your team, but the most mediocre Arby will stabilize yours. They do different things.

[granite sundial]

The tree definitely looks nicer, and build variety is better because of node placements. But I'm bothered by Vet not having a toughness generator outside of killing blows

[tame lodge]

Listen man

I'm just going to say this once

Take it however you want

You don't need toughness generation

If you never get hit

[willow prairie]

just saying chat but close order drill and iron will is literally free

[slow spade]

your toughness regen sir

[willow prairie]

also you have voc and exe stance

also out for blood

you do not need more toughness gen

ill say finally zealot is no longer worse than arby

[slow spade]

the real Vet toughness regen

[granite sundial]

Holy Terra I missed that

[atomic void]

new exec stance sounds busted if u know how to aim

legit

[willow prairie]

yeah like how you missed close order drill being free now

which stack additively with ironwill

[open ravine]

So death beam recon seems to be back stronger than ever

[willow prairie]

other toughness res are usually multiplicative

[tame lodge]

Never was

Literally outfinessed it

[willow prairie]

you only have "the build* but change my mind

[tame lodge]

Oh skill tree wise?

Sure

Powerwise? Better than arbys

[livid hill]

Okay so is infiltrate useful? Not necessarily viable but helpful if you do it and have fun with it

[tame lodge]

But oh well

Skill tree update

[willow prairie]

meh powerwise zealot don't have much staying power

[tame lodge]

So what now

[grand perch]

nah

[tame lodge]

Arby's still can't one shot carapace

Zealot literally killed everything

[willow prairie]

and while fotf thammer was the best boss killing build it suffer everywhere else

[tame lodge]

Even 1 shot bosses

[atomic void]

why nah

it looks like it keeps the same funny dmg but you dont insta fold

[tame lodge]

But it's whatever

[tall torrent]

Ngl
I think superiority complex is a situational pick in new tree especially if u go bottom right

[willow prairie]

now you have shit like against all odd

which is massive

[meager echo]

bro the plasma mob in havoc is pure bs

so tanky

[tame lodge]

Except you paired hammer with flamer and kill everything that wasn't hammer worthy

But whatever

[slow spade]

I mean it's +15% elite damage. It can definitely help with some builds

[tame lodge]

Tree reworked

[willow prairie]

I haven't try havoc yet since im getting mastery with chain weapon

[tame lodge]

So now what

[tall torrent]

On exe stance builds like boltgun yea

[livid hill]

TYPICAL DWARF, NO STAYING POWER

[tall torrent]

I think for boltgun u could take 10% reload + SC + iron will
Skip TFD and run a tac axe

[willow prairie]

I thought i was compare to arby lol

but yeah new zealot is tanky as fuck

[tame lodge]

It's still funny that Arby's can't 1 shot crushers

And Psyker might be joining him

[willow prairie]

ok?

[tall torrent]

Crusher buff is massive
Pretty much nothing can instakill them now

[willow prairie]

1 shot crusher is not really a good breakpoint anyway

[narrow widget]

which is good

[atomic void]

1 shotting crushers should not be a thing anyway

[slow spade]

with the new crusher buff, it's not really a surprise

[narrow widget]

thank you fartshart

[faint beacon]

I think it was intended for them to not be 1-shottable anyways

[slow spade]

though I will admit, I do wish the Thunder Hammer could 1-shot them

[faint beacon]

hence im not really bothered by it

[tall torrent]

However with new vet tree
One shot bulwark is very much a thing

[grand perch]

golden toughness is busted. regenning 10%/s is good, but not busted

[willow prairie]

yeah

[tame lodge]

Yeah but it got lost

[willow prairie]

vet sweep

[tame lodge]

Now watch this 6k damage against crushers

[soft river]

What are the differences between Helbore marks?

[grand perch]

my graia vigi build has suffered a lot against crushers

[tame lodge]

3 is all arounder

[crude wind]

If you want to one shot a crusher then throw a Krak

That works great

[grand perch]

instead of 2 shot kills theyre like 4 or 5 now

[tame lodge]

4 is slower charge highest damage per shot

5 is faster charge

Lowest hit per shot

[willow prairie]

install skitarius btw

[slow spade]

fuck how could I forget the krak buffs

[narrow widget]

Charge speed and damage

[slow spade]

I need to make a krak build

[tame lodge]

3 and 5 have stabby bayos

[tall torrent]

lol it needs tinkerer to 1 shot

[atomic void]

im only saying its busted cause ive played with some absolute demons that made exec stance work in its older state, now its retains the same offensive potential with better defense and i can only imagine what you can do with it if u know how to aim
ill paly with it more than voc tbh

[willow prairie]

I mean it free now

[soft river]

arent they bayo attacks different too?

[tame lodge]

4 has slashy bayos

[crude wind]

Or 20% Vs ogryns. You don't need tinkerer

[tame lodge]

Arby's still not beating the mid allegations

[willow prairie]

also i noticed like in all the game crusher spawn is less than half than it used to

[tame lodge]

Or

[silver patrol]

btw toughness regen speed is a meme right?

[tall torrent]

I have 20% vs ogryn

[tame lodge]

I'm just not the target population

[crude wind]

So do I and I don't have tinkerer

[tame lodge]

Or whatever it was called

[grand perch]

not really? tunnel vision is great for it for instance

[tall torrent]

And it’s not enough
It hits for like 6k

[narrow widget]

gl updating hammer guide btw path

🫡

[willow prairie]

yes

[tame lodge]

Kuli updated

Vet and Psyker

[mortal aspen]

I wonder what you do in this game most of the time

oh yeah, you kill stuff

[tame lodge]

Waiting on zealot

[slow spade]

they specificially mentioned that crusher spawns were lower

but patrol size seems the same

"oops 10 crushers at once"

[willow prairie]

yes i know they mentioned that but they don't give exact number

[tame lodge]

Just roll for bosses man

[narrow widget]

patrol size should be the same if you think about vt2 chaos patrols

[silver patrol]

isn't regen speed only applied with coherency toughness recovery?

[willow prairie]

I kinda prefer them this way tbj

yes

[slow spade]

yeah just something to note as they could have adjusted that too

[willow prairie]

also old vet still doesn't struggle with toughness gen considering you have out for blood

[tame lodge]

Depends

[willow prairie]

new vet is kinda op

[granite sundial]

1v1 a monstrosity is when "on-kill" becomes an issue

[mortal aspen]

which regen speed?

[tame lodge]

If it's curios only Cohen

[narrow widget]

shhhhhh

[tall torrent]

Top 5 class

[silver patrol]

toughness regen speed

[tame lodge]

Certain talents?

Depends

[silver patrol]

yeah for curio

[willow prairie]

well he certainly the highlight

then zealot is second

[mortal aspen]

only coherency

[tall torrent]

Everybody is top 5 class rn

[silver patrol]

then it's trash isn't it

[willow prairie]

who can give the best head

[mortal aspen]

yeah. a skill issue

https://tenor.com/view/черный-gif-8284575235000460429

[safe kiln]

just dodge and press f

[crude wind]

i am one shotting them without tinkerer

[serene sage]

I haven't played this game in months, how is the arbites class compared to vet?

[crude wind]

just tested it

[atomic void]

if every class is a top class then no class is a top a class

[willow prairie]

arby is fine

still good

[serene sage]

do they have anything nice that combo with the Bolter?

[mortal aspen]

Exe has free toughness regen, Shout has free toughness regen, one of your talents literally gives you 5\s if you don't get hit in melee

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/syndrome-incredibles-and-when-everyone-is-super-no-one-will-be-gif-3791257052170976251

[tall torrent]

Needs additional damage spec like SKM/EW/SC

[mortal aspen]

bro is baiting hard and I'm taking the bait

[manic badger]

How much tankier are all the enemies is it noticeable?

[granite sundial]

Havoc 40 Daemonhost with 300 ping. Vet is the only character I can't fight that on

[crude wind]

yes

[willow prairie]

close order drill + out for blood + iron will

[atomic void]

are you THRILLED about vigi and exec stance buffs

looks like a good combo

[willow prairie]

vet have so much toughness gen and res now

[manic badger]

do kraks still one shot crushers?

[faint beacon]

I've been messing with them and they're comical

[pseudo fiber]

Crushers health got doubles

[tame lodge]

I'm assuming it's because we don't have the full meta yet

[serene sage]

did they change vets much?

[willow prairie]

and you don't get taxes

[faint beacon]

H40 they're probably going to fall off hard since I have Helby IV on the side but like

[wild wasp]

Did they just bring in the change to crushers? More than double hp than before right?

[faint beacon]

I love this new melee

its literally exactly what I wanted

[atomic void]

you're the arbites now gael.....

[mortal aspen]

I'm calling fatshark to buff vet so he can tank Daemonhost at 300 ping in H40

[faint beacon]

so I now have 2 melee's I actually really enjoy using

[serene sage]

OMG they changed the talent tree 😭

[faint beacon]

PF and Taxe

[atomic void]

single handedly gonna make me play vet

[silver patrol]

for the better

[crude wind]

any other class can stack toughness as well. Vet did not gain any more TDR with this patch. Just better pathing.

[slow spade]

it's fine

nothing too bad

[safe kiln]

I sense a typo

[wild wasp]

50k hit points I assume is a typo lmao

[willow prairie]

yeah but the being taxed less thing let you take a few more

[faint beacon]

That's an error if I've seen anything

lmao

[slow spade]

it's a joke

[willow prairie]

also most toughness talent got buffed

[faint beacon]

Thats the Scab Captain

iirc

[slow spade]

here are the real numbers

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-terrified-gif-10236982897096038637

[slow spade]

can't even joke 😔

[willow prairie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1420045913421774900/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-09-23_8-54-33_PM.mp4?ex=68d3f850&is=68d2a6d0&hm=bbd371e8447a7001d7c6e681831964136200f9f24403e5149cbe1ed785ee5ecb&

a pose demomhost imagine

[pseudo fiber]

This clip is so fuckingnfunyn why does she do that

[willow prairie]

server dying

i haven't play a single game without massive desync

so i shrimply quit right after

[crude wind]

so its Superiority complex then

[cloud thunder]

Hello.

[crude wind]

i have that

[eager idol]

the Omnissiah is generous

[tall torrent]

6480 in 1 hit (below 6550)

[atomic void]

classic fatshark servers after patches

love to see it

[crude wind]

lol I am at a loss then, unless rending is affecting it. Cause I promise I am one shotting these Crushers with Kraks without Tinkerer

[slow spade]

Fatshark secretly nerfed bath.rawr's crusher damage to fuck with them

[tall torrent]

yea u can just need a bunch of buffs

tinkerer is a fast skip to the 1 tap

[crude wind]

Good to have options I guess

[eager idol]

you use NumericUI? It isn't updated yet

[willow prairie]

numeric is fine

[tame lodge]

So vet still 1 tapping crusher

[willow prairie]

only the ammo counter is bugged

[tame lodge]

[willow prairie]

psword still do that

[tame lodge]

Arby's not beating the allegations

[willow prairie]

you don't need krak

[tame lodge]

Yeah we know

It's Psword

[serene sage]

For a Bolter/CAxe build
How close am I to "meta"?

[tame lodge]

And right sided is loaded

[tame lodge]

I'd say far from it

[midnight wyvern]

aye, thats what it is

noted

[serene sage]

kek

[willow prairie]

its uptime

[slow spade]

honestly pretty far but it is good

[willow prairie]

numeric is fine

[tame lodge]

Yeah I think Vet meta is going to be melee sided

[willow prairie]

just ammo counter little bugged

[midnight wyvern]

already removed man

[slow spade]

you should get Longshot if you want to use Bolter now

[midnight wyvern]

racist

[serene sage]

hi! what's good nowadays?

[slow spade]

Longshot is no longer dogshit

[willow prairie]

what do you mean

[crude wind]

meta doesn't exist yet

[willow prairie]

it does but whatever

[serene sage]

omg I advocated for Longshot back in the day and ppl hated it kek

[crude wind]

it's day 1 lol

[serene sage]

what changed?

[willow prairie]

people been theory crafting since patch note

[serene sage]

oh I didn't know that
today is new patch note?

[willow prairie]

weapon specialist vet being even more broken

[tall torrent]

pretty far off

[midnight wyvern]

super keen to do Exe stance with agri CS or something, tried it with new bolter and its a bit of a meme

[serene sage]

I literally knew nothing since I stopped like 5 months ago

[slow spade]

Longshot is good now and I'd suggest looking into Exec stance + Ogryn node

also the Right bottom stat node is +15% melee damage lmao

[tall torrent]

it's a 10% dmg node that scales to be higher the further enemies are

[midnight wyvern]

to be fair its also on the event which is a small number of plasma bros

[tall torrent]

and 10% dmg is good

[slow spade]

it's no longer dogshit as of literally today c:

[serene sage]

haha

[crude wind]

yes

[slow spade]

it USED to be +0.6% damage at 13m to +20% at 30m

which was shit c:

[serene sage]

it was also turned off at 8m or something

[slow spade]

also I recall you're a pretty old Vet so you should look into a Recon build

[red robin]

Does exploit weakness damage increase after melee crit apply to ranged attacks during the 5s?

[slow spade]

Recon is one of Vet's best weapons now

[midnight wyvern]

[serene sage]

hmm
shit -> broken -> omega shit -> broken again?

[tame lodge]

Shock trooper recon is going crazy

[tall torrent]

yes, it's global

[warm idol]

so what's the freshest recon build?

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's very recon

[warm idol]

exe stance?

[tame lodge]

[serene sage]

I remember when recon was such a meme against mutant?

[red robin]

Insanity

[slow spade]

yes c: believe it or not. It has one of the most efficient ammo builds for vet now lmao

[red robin]

Right tree goated

[slow spade]

it's now reasonably good

[red robin]

Anyone demo the vigilant autoguns?

[granite sundial]

Lmao, the only reason he can't is because of the toughness regen. However, I just found out that Executioner's Stance has been buffed, so that might make Vet better for me

[willow prairie]

bait used to be believable

[slow spade]

yeah, the new ogryn change + Marksmen Focus being easier to use is really good for Recon so now you can trade defense (VoC) for damage (Exec stance) without feeling too bad

[tardy vine]

Is it me or mk4 chainsword is better than new falchion now?

[red robin]

What blessings and perks stand out on the vigilant?

[warm idol]

can you spoonfeed me a build?

[willow prairie]

deadly accurate and head hunter ig

or surgical

[spark helm]

Are people just floundering with the power falchion or something? This thing feels just fine with what I'm doing.

[slow spade]

OH I should really tell you that Tactical Awareness just got heavily nerfed. It's no longer "-6 sec on specialist kill" and it's now "+100% ability cooldown rate for 3s on specialist kill"

[tame lodge]

Hard comparison there

[tall torrent]

it's ~half the dps of power sword

lol

[willow prairie]

it just a worse psword with more mobility

[tame lodge]

Words that can start a fight

[red robin]

I want to use the semi auto, but the burst looks solid after the recoil changes

[slow spade]

oh I'm actually making one now as we speak lol

[willow prairie]

head hunter + deadly accurate then

[midnight wyvern]

it feels good against chaff but really sad against big angry large strong thick men

[slow spade]

I'll send pic when I'm done

[willow prairie]

🤤

chain weapon got mega buffed so yeah

[red robin]

Surgical for the burst because of the crit stringing right?

[spark helm]

Haven't tried out the other mark. Just been running around with a WS setup. p.neat.

[willow prairie]

no

[indigo wren]

Fellas, I have a quick question. Is Vet any fun cause I regret picking psyker and want to lvl a new character.

[willow prairie]

surgical is more crit the longer you aim

[spark helm]

What about Psyker don't you like?

[willow prairie]

bro regret playing psyker

damn

[serene sage]

yeah well... makes sense lol

[red robin]

Deadshot still trolling or can you get away with it with the 0.5 stam delay?

[willow prairie]

deadshot still bad

[serene sage]

they finally add a weapon swap speed perk

[red robin]

25% to 50% huge

[willow prairie]

wdym it alway been here

[indigo wren]

Kinda expected them to be how RT portrayed them and was disappointed with how meh the powers are.

[willow prairie]

but now it doubled

[red robin]

Helbore finally goated

Even moreso

[slow spade]

here's what I'm going to try in Aurics

[slow spade]

Foxhope hasn't been around in months

[spark helm]

idk what rt is but alright. Psyker one of the most dynamic classes in this game.

If you just want to feel strong quickly, you can just play arbites i suppose.

[slow spade]

probably a year

[steep flower]

far from

[serene sage]

it used to be on the lower right side, so if you want to play say bolter, you are locked to melee-ish build
am I wrong?

[indigo wren]

Rogue Trader

[tame lodge]

Rogue Trader

Psykers there are as op as DTs

[willow prairie]

no right side is the best one anyway

[serene sage]

now it's much more accessible ❤️

[tame lodge]

But because it's a crpg

[willow prairie]

because you need to pick it for out for blood

[tame lodge]

They have more choicea

And builds

[spark helm]

mm

[willow prairie]

top right i mean

[serene sage]

out for blood was top right, you weren't locked to bottom right?

[tame lodge]

You can literally have a heavy bolter psyker there

[indigo wren]

I just liked how many different power options there are compared to Darktide

[willow prairie]

no

[serene sage]

I think we are talking about different talent trees 😄

[willow prairie]

yes i was talking about old vet

[slow spade]

one day Darktide will have as much bullshit options at Rogue Trader UwU

[normal bay]

Depends how far you got with psyker
Their staff builds don't tend to shine until they're close to max level with fully upgraded staffs

[spark helm]

Like I said, if you just want to feel powerful immediately then arbites just does that. Zealot is pretty explosive too and Ogryn has been pretty solid for a long time, even more after its most recent rework.

[slow spade]

pls give my psyker a Melta gun UwU

[willow prairie]

out for blood is mandatory so you ended up picking the swap speed

[indigo wren]

I dont look for op stuff, I look for whats fun because usually the op stuff is just boring.

[spark helm]

It's less about op and more about feel that I'm talking about which is why I brought up Arbites.

[indigo wren]

I beat the campaign and it felt ok with the dmg

[willow prairie]

campaign is literally nothing lmao

[red robin]

With the new bolt pistol, does having 80 collateral mean anything? I kind of want to try an aoe build

[willow prairie]

staff don't really get good until you have blessing n shit for them

[tame lodge]

But yes
Vet's good
Don't expect to shoot everything though

[slow spade]

bigger stagger radius

that's about it

[spark helm]

I guess what kinds of feelings are you looking for with the classes you want to play

[slow spade]

that won't stop randoms from trying :c

[tame lodge]

Vet's melee is cracked

[spark helm]

Since you're mostly coming at this from an angle of wanting a cooler PoV for yourself.

[neon current]

explo boltguns just feel superior to anythign but magdumping, which I've never done

[red robin]

Lethal Proximity makes it a larger aoe right?

[tame lodge]

Specially with shock trooper recon

[slow spade]

yes, even bigger c:

[indigo wren]

I know, vermintide was the same way

[tame lodge]

Is onslaught still in

[slow spade]

sometimes they don't even use that UwU

[slow spade]

still on right side

[serene sage]

ignore the build, I think this is the old talent tree. swap speed never existed in the top right?

[meager echo]

new elite

[serene sage]

am I delulu?

[willow prairie]

swap speed is literally the first talent on the right

😭

[red robin]

Does executioner stance 100% ranged stagger strength apply to bolt pistols aoe?

[tame lodge]

That's old

Damn

[willow prairie]

also wtf is that build

[neon current]

swap speed is top right

[slow spade]

that I'm not too sure "c

[thick rose]

never not taking all grenade talents

LOOK HOW CLOSE MY PRECIOUS

[neon current]

more dmg is useless on shredded nades

it don't affect the bleed

[normal bay]

Affects the aoe though

[serene sage]

some crackhead slug shotty build
it was okay

[neon current]

you use shredder for the bleed

not the nade dmg

[indigo wren]

I honestly dont know, but if I had to pick, it'd definitely would be something with great support or something flashy

[willow prairie]

you use shredder for bleed+ nade damage + instant toughness regen + stagger

[neon current]

no

[red robin]

I’m wondering if execution and lethal proximity would be fun for the aoe bolt pistol

[neon current]

you dont use shredder for nade dmg

[thick rose]

use them for CC

[tame lodge]

So every class has a support path

[warm idol]

so when will fatshark bless us with a hellgun/hotshot lasgun

[neon current]

have never in my life have I ever seen take extra dmg for shredder nades

ever

[grand perch]

vigis autoguns new maniac damage is so nice

[tame lodge]

But being flashy is definitely vet or Zealot

[grand perch]

oneshotting mutants, sweet

more easily than before

[willow prairie]

who take it bruh

[warm idol]

the power falchion is cool and all but the first new vet exclusive weapon being melee is uh a decision

[red robin]

Same patch with hella buffed melee vet talents

[rancid egret]

True, still waiting on me melta Sah.

[indigo wren]

I might give Vet a shot then

[tame lodge]

A good one

Vet suffered and still suffers on the melee side

[soft river]

I hate the pathing for agile engagement

[indigo wren]

I feel like there's plenty of Zealot players already.

[tame lodge]

Hope you like using Psword 6 24/7/365

Oh power falchion exists

[open ravine]

Is the power up on the new power sword supposed to deflect

[tame lodge]

Hope you like using Psword 6 24/7/365

[tame lodge]

Yes activating and deactivating are blocks

Just like Relics

[pseudo fiber]

It acts like a block iirc

[neon current]

PF feels lacking vs dreg ragers, PS is still the better melee weapon

[pulsar crescent]

I want to see helgun, but IDK how FS would make it different to lasgun

[willow prairie]

falchion literally have the same exact combo as relic blade lol

[neon current]

PF is just easier to play

[willow prairie]

single target and cc wise

[ornate glen]

Fellow veterans. I'm seeing things, or I saw one of the new plasma gunners explode after one well landed helbore shot. Anyone else saw that?

[willow prairie]

literally same input

[serene sage]

I just double checked, when I played it wasn't swap speed
that node has something to do with sprint im 99% sure

cause swap speed was speculated to be added to the bottom right

wher the keystones are

[grand perch]

everyone talking about power phallus but did anyone like the chainsword changes

[neon current]

swap speed has always been top right

[spark helm]

If you're looking for support, veteran just has that in spades as class, with its middle path especially putting that into effect. Veteran can be flashy but every other class is a bit more bombastic with their presentation. Arbites and Ogryn have a lot of impact and thump with their stuff, Ogryn especially. Zealot can feel pretty explosive but idk what's going on with it atm. Very speedy the majority of the time and has gore shower friendly povs.

[rancid egret]

Melta is definitely next though, trust.

[willow prairie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1420045913421774900/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-09-23_8-54-33_PM.mp4?ex=68d3f850&is=68d2a6d0&hm=bbd371e8447a7001d7c6e681831964136200f9f24403e5149cbe1ed785ee5ecb&

[rancid egret]

We'll get a pistol and rifle type Melta, for sure.

[junior grail]

Is it just me or does Plasma not feel as strong anymore? Trying to make old Weapon Specialist build

[indigo wren]

Yeah, I ended up finishing the character creation for the Vet. Now all I gotta do is lvl it up. Hopefully its quicker this time around cause the campaign felt like it took ages.

[sharp trail]

what's DB vet looking like right now?

[spark helm]

Db?

[sharp trail]

double barrel

[rancid egret]

The Veteran Commissar/Guard NCO/Guard officer RP builds go ham. Ngl

[spark helm]

Ah, haven't experimented with it yet.

[rancid egret]

I just use the regular shots, none charged.

Don't charge it up as much

[spark helm]

Never bothered with them. I kind of think of mine as a nasty guerrilla fighter or shock trooper just busting armor open and popping hordes.

If the builds are fine, the builds are fine. I'm not really into 40k so I don't even know those usually do in-universe

[rancid egret]

Oh lol

[soft river]

I'm gonna miss Agile engagement always being procced on my helbore, I can't path it anymore

[rancid egret]

Your sacrifice is appreciated, fren.

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Updated my giga build 😈

Vraks looks terrifying this patch

[spark helm]

But fwiw the whole dystopian future human soldier or whatever works just fine. I like the gunplay I get from executioner stance a shitton and have been rotating builds for it ever since I started playing. VoC is fine, I just like doing other things besides playing Mercenary Kruber. Infiltrate is gonna take a little experimenting for me once again but it's never not been a favorite.

[soft river]

Lol my "use the helbore for everything except pushs and major cc" is still usable but I miss that 25% basically always being up in a horde

[rancid egret]

Imperial Mercenary Kruber is GOATed.

[tall torrent]

It’s better than before with the new damage talents

[rancid egret]

It is what it is.

I can't wait to test out my daka las gun build.

[balmy rain]

Does Deadshot talent work with aiming down sights?

is that considered alternate fire

[rancid egret]

About to get on Darktide right now. Lol

[spark helm]

Yeah

[soft river]

I tested with like only 15 points used and I was slaying in pskyanisum

[spark helm]

ADS is how deadshot works.

[neon current]

it's what it is for

[topaz lance]

ye

[junior grail]

New ones? Which, may I ask?

[neon current]

new longshot

is actually good this time around

[soft river]

Not damage but exhilarting is so nice with it, was before but not it lasts

[hollow ibex]

yeah actually good now

[native ocean]

Infiltrate builds are so much nicer to play with now

[safe kiln]

oh really?

[willow prairie]

yeah the cc and single tarfet on aradin id the same as mkx

[safe kiln]

which mark has the same moveset as the mk2 relic

👀

[tall torrent]

Skirmisher
Exploit weakness
Agile engagement actually being accessible

[tall torrent]

None

[spark helm]

What have you come up with? I'm thinking of experimenting for a good while when I get the chance.

[safe kiln]

[tall torrent]

The better falchion (mk1) is similar moveset as the better relic (mk10)

[safe kiln]

mk2 slander

[spark helm]

Falchion neat.

Small relic

[willow prairie]

finally someone recognize that the mkx is the better one

[tall torrent]

But falchion is so much worse than power sword lmao

[spark helm]

Meh, I'm fine either way.

If I want p.sword, I get p.sword. if I want p.falchion, I get p.falchion.

[tropic halo]

What is it that makes DS5 be different other than the overhead slash?

[safe kiln]

doesnt it have defenses or something

extra long dodges

[willow prairie]

have best dodge in the same

[narrow widget]

they should put bret longsword in dark tide

[spark helm]

Pattern on the light combos, best dodge

[willow prairie]

also the worst light pattern out of the three

[tall torrent]

It’s not the best dodge in the game

[willow prairie]

oh yeah knife exist

[spark helm]

No it's the best dodge.

I'm making shit up rn.

And then stopping.

[narrow widget]

dolphins

[spark helm]

So I can do it again. :^)

[tropic halo]

Be able to three heavy on crushers still is quite surprise

[native ocean]

it's my usual rescue ranger build but better because all the shitty point tax nodes are gone now 🙂

[keen sedge]

Best blessings rn for the falchion?

[tame lodge]

Ok so

Which is it

[willow prairie]

wrath + cranial

[tame lodge]

Forgor to ask yesterday

[tall torrent]

Knife

[spark helm]

I like it with cranial grounding and heatsink

[willow prairie]

heatsink pretty much doesn't work ehen activated btw

[tame lodge]

Ok
I need the numbers now

For my notes you know

[spark helm]

Unsure what you mean because it definitely seems like it. I just ran three games with it

[willow prairie]

it been tested before, im not pulling this out of my ass

heatsink does work

[safe kiln]

isnt heatsink like 1-2 extra swings

[grand perch]

patch made me aggressively blonde

[serene sage]

I knew I am not crazy lmao
Swap speed was added maybe within the last year
Otherwise swap speed perk never existed in the old old tree

[willow prairie]

but it mostly to reduce downtime

it pretty much does nothing ehen activated

[spark helm]

I'm not saying I don't believe you, I just don't know what you meant saying it does nothing.

[native ocean]

Patch bleached everyone's hair, kinda bad

[patent birch]

heat management? for dump?

[willow prairie]

it does work when activated but massively neutered

[hallow cove]

Hey I want to like the helbore but I really struggle with the charge mechanic in high pressure situations, is there any way to make it more reliable? I know it's kind of a user problem but I'd like to use a lasgun that isn't recon

[serene sage]

does the bayonet helbore build work still?

[spark helm]

Kinda want to play with cranial and decapitator just to see

[willow prairie]

install skitarius

[hallow cove]

bayonet seems to do a bunch of damage still, not sure of a build

[patent birch]

dump stat power falcion ?

[serene sage]

@slow spade sorry for ping. is the bayonet helbore build a thing still?
it was meme even then but just in case 😄

[tall torrent]

It works at 1/5th value when the weapon is not in overheat lockout

lol

[normal bay]

Just have to get used to it. Use a faster charging variant if you play closer to the front.

The IV doesn't always need a crit, so don't feel like you have to hold charge as long

[loud kiln]

Me when the the tide is dark

[spark helm]

Mmh. For me, it's the preference on downtime though i haven't tried other combinations besides those two so I wouldn't notice the difference. Cranial feels like mainstay just like relic so I can see how wrath is a breezy addition to it.

[tame lodge]

Not quite

If you mean

[willow prairie]

wrath + cranial is good combination of uptime + making non activated doesn't feel kike shit

[tame lodge]

BM Limbsplitter bayonet

[patent birch]

?

[tame lodge]

Then that shit is gone

[tame lodge]

Mobility

[willow prairie]

also wrath is needed in havoc anyway

[serene sage]

yeah the one where BM lets you have infinite cleave or something like that

[midnight wyvern]

feels good with wrath and cranial grounding

[tame lodge]

Yeah that shit is gone

So no

Bayo build isn't a thing anymore

[topaz lance]

Morbility

[hallow cove]

morbing

[quartz girder]

mastery grind is crazy

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/la2SCUZ9YFNlm5Ako?invite=cr-MSxZRTIsMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=4

[spark helm]

Sounds about right for something like that. Maybe one day I'll be patient enough to wait for ppl to show up for a havoc lobby.

[midnight wyvern]

wonder if revolver with handcannon can 1 tap a plasma gunner

😭

[faint beacon]

MkIIb in my opinion is Better than the MkI for PF's mainly cause I found it to actually get this right

stagger ragers

[pseudo fiber]

How many greens exactly does it take to get a weapon to 20

[faint beacon]

30ish

[sturdy crescent]

Upgrading them to blue does anything?

[steep flower]

just like relic blade

[spark helm]

I'm not material tycoon levels of reserves yet but I just get to make shit for any class pretty often from whatever rarity to max.

I'm still hunting max curios and I hate my luck

[quartz girder]

just upgrade to green its more efficient

[midnight wyvern]

yee

[faint beacon]

Not even mentioning how we have Precis Strike

so it just bumps its weakspot damage even further

[spark helm]

Green is more cost efficient yeah

[sturdy crescent]

I'm having 14k of this trash I need somewhere to trow it out

[steep flower]

Marksman too

[willow prairie]

bm on relic blade when

[spark helm]

What number of greens do you need to get to mastery? I swear someone had a chart in the discord

[sturdy crescent]

why I even need so much of it

[willow prairie]

400k docket

[slow spade]

sadly no, they nerfed it so melee blessings don't buff the bayonet

[hollow ibex]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/395

and use this mod

and spare your hand

[tall torrent]

Not easily

[ember nest]

isnt' that broken rn

[spark helm]

400k in Grey then green?

[ember nest]

that mod

[hollow ibex]

i just used it to power level power falchion

to 20

sooooo

seems to be ok

[willow prairie]

yes

[ember nest]

hmm

[hollow ibex]

can't guarantee it won't crash mourningstar tho

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid4-mgs4-solid-snake-old-snake-becoming-old-gif-24179307

[hollow ibex]

i'm using it with psych ward

[spark helm]

Life could've been different

[hollow ibex]

and something is crashing mourningstar

have like 50 mods tho

[willow prairie]

weapon customization

[faint beacon]

Usually Numeric UI

[spark helm]

I'm full vanilla. I just don't wanna do it lol

[hollow ibex]

likely yeah

[midnight wyvern]

sad

[hollow ibex]

it's glitching the fuck out in psyk too

[faint beacon]

Numeric on launch of big updates tend to shit itself so I turn it off

[quartz girder]

i shoulda gotten that bit too late now lmao

[willow prairie]

numeric ammo counter id broken

[spark helm]

Most I'd ever want id idk

[willow prairie]

its fine otherwise

[hollow ibex]

just do it, still works

[tall torrent]

I still haven’t gotten the game to work on Linux proton

[faint beacon]

wild

[willow prairie]

work on my deck

use ge proton

[tall torrent]

Which proton version

Ok

I can load into character select but

[neon current]

I much prefer the new marks

they have no recoil

[tall torrent]

After changing graphics settings I cannot load into Morningstar

[hollow ibex]

bolter? damage looks kinda shit tho

[spark helm]

I don't even know if there's any quality of life mod changes I'd even want. I don't even care about scoreboards much. Psykanium mods maybe? That's only thing I can think of.

[neon current]

dmg is enough

unless you wanna magdump

[willow prairie]

just think of it as shredder

[neon current]

which I've never done

[sly orchid]

Use brittleness and pinning fire

[willow prairie]

damage is kinda low

[hollow ibex]

way worse AOE radius and damage tho

[willow prairie]

not reaching any normal bolter breakpoint

[tall torrent]

New boltpistol is ass
New boltgun is ok

[hollow ibex]

pinning fire might help

[slow spade]

the new bolter seems alright, the reduced damage doesn't seem to affect its 1-shots in auric

[hollow ibex]

eyah

[slow spade]

yeah the bolt pistol is ass

[willow prairie]

pinning fire + ruptuah

[slow spade]

bolter is alright due to instant 5 stack Pinning Fire

[neon current]

ooh

new bolter has aoe shattering too

like rumbler

[sly orchid]

Remember its free 25% strength

[willow prairie]

but on new mark maybe the explosive + rupture is beyter

[slow spade]

Rupture?

[neon current]

shattering pining

[willow prairie]

i mean puncture

I played too much limbus

[slow spade]

sadly Puncture and Shattering only apply on direct hits

[neon current]

shattering is must

puncture / pnning 2nd

no

shattering does aoe debuff

[slow spade]

honestly wouldn't doubt it

I'll give it a go

[neon current]

I am looking at my screen

with debuff indicator

I've applied shattering to a crusher pack

[willow prairie]

if we talking about og boltgun then puncture + pinning is bis

help a tons with breakpoint

[candid pasture]

just me or is there a significant ammount of people shooting poxbursters when you like about to shove it

[neon current]

new update

[willow prairie]

don't lose that much damage compare to shattering against bosses

[neon current]

the idiots are back at playing the game

[midnight wyvern]

with pinning and brittle its okay

[candid pasture]

between those people and the psykers with their enemy dodge buff staff im loosing sanity 😭

[slow spade]

to be fair, idiots have always been in quickplay

it's just now you got some returning experienced players + tons of "not so good" players

[serene sage]

I wanna go home and play lol

[candid pasture]

truly, but it does get obnoxious when two psykers just look at exactly what your about to shoot and ignore the entire horde beating them from behind

[sturdy crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-it's-peak-cat-it's-peak-it's-mid-orange-cat-gif-17883059146133370492

[serene sage]

BM seems unchanged, so presumably Rashad is still ez mode melee?

[willow prairie]

ez mode melee is psword now

strongest melee in the entire game

[hollow ibex]

always has been

[polar topaz]

Psword was changed?

[willow prairie]

no

[slow spade]

"yes" but idk with the new scab hp changes

[willow prairie]

it got mega buffed by skill tree rework

[slow spade]

it should be good trhough

[willow prairie]

it retain all pre rework breakpoint

[polar topaz]

I've never liked it the activation spam was annoying

[willow prairie]

and being stronger on top of that

[slow spade]

psword just has the problem of being the best melee option but being annoying to use

the meta slave's nightmare

[serene sage]

I hate the PS middle, and I could never get the the funky poke 1 shot ogryns

[willow prairie]

you can't 1 shot ogryn

[serene sage]

(if it can still do that)

[willow prairie]

it alway been 2 shot

[orchid hemlock]

Nope

But it is by far the best melee thanks to the new tree

Actually disgusting weapon now

Thanks Fatshark 😈

[neon current]

yea PS far outperforms PF still

just more annoying to use

[hollow ibex]

lol @faint beacon your baby

got special treatment

[slow spade]

oh shit vigi autogun 1-tap on crusher? UwU

[willow prairie]

what is this

[thorn lark]

crusher hunter

[tame lodge]

Fatshark slowly bringing Launch powersword back

[thorn lark]

I want sustained fire back :/

[willow prairie]

also holy hell

https://v.redd.it/fcf8ferphwqf1/DASH_1080.mp4?source=fallback

not my video

[hollow ibex]

they updated it, and COLUMNUS MAG IS STILL NOT DIVISIBLE MY THE BURST SIZE

what the actual fuck guys cmon

ok this is really going to bother me too

bruh

just bruh

why

[fresh spire]

how important is collateral on the new bolter

[hollow ibex]

it's not the dump

[tame lodge]

Bigger Radius

So yeah important

[hollow ibex]

and bulwark stagger BP

[fresh spire]

true

[hollow ibex]

so yeah don't dumpt collat

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/biggus-dickus-smile-hold-laughter-gif-17949586

[crude wind]

I like the new pistol on Zealot but yeah less good for Vet

[tame lodge]

Actually

Naming my vet

Biggus Radius

Then focusing on AoE stuff

What's a good AoE mel

It's Psword

Not even going to finish that sentence

Mk3

Sunder

[willow prairie]

mk3?

[tame lodge]

Needs 44 poxxers to stop it

[tame lodge]

Perfectly horizontal heavies

Can't be more AoE than that

[unreal nova]

Wait, so my older mobility Bistolwould be the one for the new silly Bistol?

[tame lodge]

It actually can but vet doesn't have power maul

And with loadout config broken for the moment

[neon current]

falchion kinda sucks compared to PS

sharing the dogshit blessing pool of relic sure don't help its case

[hallow cove]

falchion in dps I think is probably lower than PS but it feels way better to use on hordes

[neon current]

yea on hordes

but the moment you try to falchion a dreg rager and or mauler pack

pain

whereas PS will cut thru em like butter

[next laurel]

dude the middle of the new tree is so ass

who designed this

like level 10-20

[hallow cove]

i was running krak grenades in auric just as a test with a dog ass falch and I almost never needed to use my melee on maulers/crushers

the extra krak is actually kinda good

[tame lodge]

Everything sucks compared to ps

That's just

How it is

Unfortunately

And I agree

They fucked up big time on Falchions blessing

[hallow cove]

it should have gotten headtaker 🙂

[azure narwhal]

how is krak vs shredders now with 3 kraks? (being able to take advantage of both nade gen talents)

i'm too used to shredders tbh

[hallow cove]

I think shredders are still better in havoc but krak is more usable than before

but thats intuition

[azure narwhal]

same

[junior grail]

I've never stepped out of Shredder nades and now I'm too scared to try

[hallow cove]

I wanted to like smokes and I think I'm just wrong but it feels like they dont work 50% of the time

[hollow ibex]

kraks are very nice now

esp with buffed elite hp

[hallow cove]

dumping all my kraks in a plague ogryn and seeing more than half the bar disappear did feel good

[junior grail]

I noticed Kraks can stagger small groups pretty well too

[neon current]

the biggest downside of the relic, imagine how hard it would go with actual crit blessings

[hallow cove]

also does vet have higher base crit than zealot now? the patch notes said 10%?

[north frost]

helbore is now meta

[faint beacon]

weird enough

Im liking Columuns III more atm

offers the aggressive playstyle I like a bit more

[faint beacon]

Also the nerf to flak explains so fucking much

why it feels weird to use the Agri IX now

[hollow ibex]

yeah i need to try the new colum

[hollow ibex]

idk why they nerfed it

[faint beacon]

I do not know

[dusty sapphire]

So did plasma get a nerf?

[hollow ibex]

wasn't touched

[faint beacon]

Trying to figure out if

[thick rose]

vigilant autogun the best shotgun in the game

[dusty sapphire]

I'm going crazy then

[faint beacon]

Surgical or Headhunter

is the play here with C3