veteran-class

[turbid ibex]

I still wish focus target had some way of actively building up stacks

Instead of being completely passive

[frail citrus]

yeah but now you get them faster

and they stack on ur targets

[turbid ibex]

Yeah ik

Its def much better now

[frail citrus]

no…

it sucks now

they reduced the total damage bonus you get

[turbid ibex]

I just think giving a way to actively build stacks wouldve been fun

[frail citrus]

it used to be a max of 40% but now I think it’s 35%

[turbid ibex]

32% now 30%

[slow spade]

Pour out a drink for Tactical Awareness

[frail citrus]

muh 2%

[trim fiber]

It's like 2% damage bruh

[slow spade]

Rip

[turbid ibex]

With the node that increases max stacks

[frail citrus]

that’s enough to kill myself over i think

see you all in the servitor bay

[turbid ibex]

But now it takes 9 seconds instead of 16 to reach max stacks

[trim fiber]

Understandable

[frail citrus]

yeah exactly, that’s the trade off

[turbid ibex]

With that modifier

[frail citrus]

IMO not worth it

[turbid ibex]

Imo explode

[frail citrus]

regardless i’ll still be using it instead of weapon spec

what do we think abt the exe stance change

[cunning haven]

what do you mean by stack on your targets? like 1 + 1 = 2?

[frail citrus]

yes, or if you ping with 2 stacks and then get another 2 and ping again it’ll be 4 stacks

[serene bough]

I see they buffed chain weapons

[turbid ibex]

Good

[grand perch]

oh i hadnt realised MMF stacks are now refreshed by melee weakspot hits

they do which is great

[errant carbon]

Is the reason I've always been bad at aiming the Helbore because the fucking sights were misaligned

[frail citrus]

yeah i’m excited, after the castgiators came out i was thinking “i hope exe stance gets some kind of passive toughness recharge too”

[trim fiber]

Oh yeah been meaning to revisit the assault chain sword on Veteran once I'm done using the Falchion

[turbid ibex]

I do think the modifier that lets you mark enemies for allies should be changed to be active for its whole duration though

[cunning haven]

that's really nice. i can just ping the boss immediately now instead of waiting for max

[frail citrus]

yeah, the same applies if other vets are running it too

[grand perch]

chain swords* still have nothing to stop multiple ragers with

[pseudo fiber]

Yea the Vostroyan skins ones we're just wrong lmao

[normal eagle]

are u srs

so thats why that gun always felt like ass

[trim fiber]

Yeah I figured I'm not sure if they'll ever get a meaningful buff like that

[shy parcel]

Lethal proximity is hilarious on the new bolt pistol

[eternal venture]

The old Helbore sights were deceptively lower than they actually were

[shy parcel]

Might be worth dumping mobility on that mark for the memes

[eternal venture]

you had to aim lower than you thought you did

[turbid ibex]

The new bolter marks were the most roundabout way of adding grenade launchers to the game

[trim fiber]

They have to rework them completely. Chain weapons would be better if it worked similarly to the relic blade and falchion, where maybe once you rev it up it just does way more damage, more cleave, more stagger,

[shy parcel]

Grenadier vet stocks are through the roof

[crude wind]

@neon terrace which Chainsword attacks stagger ragers again?

[shy parcel]

Plus I can finally take field improvisation

[crude wind]

is it just sticky?

[shy parcel]

4 shredders that can cover a room

[midnight wyvern]

psyker regen feels so good

[shy parcel]

What’s the meta power sword setup again?

[slow spade]

Oh hey revive speed affects helping allies too now

[turbid ibex]

Uhh mk6 with cycler, sunder i think?

[slow spade]

Brutal Momentum + Power Cycler

Sunder + Power Cycler

Depends what you're doing

[boreal goblet]

Veteran Changes Good?

Lookiing at the Tree they LOOK good, but I cna't play with them right now

[shy parcel]

I see, what should the damage bonuses be?

[turbid ibex]

Massive improvement

[shy parcel]

The cdr talent got nerfed

Everything is better through

[turbid ibex]

Theres still room for more changes (specially the keystone area) but overall a massive W

[pseudo fiber]

God is good

[signal hawk]

How big of a W?

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/wario-w-gif-11314906105849731646

[normal eagle]

theres a single minor node that gives +15% melee damage

zealots in shambles

[shy parcel]

Three tap crushers with sunder power sword

[ornate glen]

Tried out new talent trees. They've killed my veteran ranged build.

[signal hawk]

How’s the Lasgun builds now?

[willow prairie]

ok how

[slow spade]

And that's after they got over doubled hp 😭

[normal eagle]

a small price to pay

[willow prairie]

veteran is just him

[grand perch]

small change to assist speed

thats neat

[river owl]

I'm interested, how exactly?

[ornate glen]

So, it was crit based helbore build, and now some critical nodes can't be achieved without sacrifice. But I have to bring toughness damage reduction for the team. Damnation.

[slow spade]

Yeah it seems pretty good for stuff like Nuncio

Idk if it's worth getting Revive speed on curios

But at least neat

[normal eagle]

on curios not really

[slow spade]

I'm just a helpful dude c:

[normal eagle]

but vet did have that one node that helps with pickups

[pseudo fiber]

Vet has a higher base crit chance now

From 5% to 10%

[boreal goblet]

Zealots Look like their eating good whats going on?

[eternal venture]

Just a joke about how they've never had flat damage buffs on their tree

just stacking ones

[normal eagle]

yeah im basically just saying that this node being as good as it is is surprising on vet

[eternal venture]

And yeah revive speed is actually super nice in Havoc because of how much garbage can interrupt you

[ornate glen]

Five. But that's good point, forgot about that. "Opening Salvo" lies in quite unconvinient way.

[eternal venture]

Not really worth running on a curio

but it's good as a talent

[turbid ibex]

Also reminding this has been added

[eternal venture]

That change is massive

[slow spade]

Martyrdom Zealots eating good 😎

[eternal venture]

Nothing is worse than getting back up and overheaded by a crusher without being able to dodge/block

Or getting up in yet another firebomb thrown your way

[normal eagle]

what we thinkin bout the new falchion tho?

[errant carbon]

Martyrdom can now actually gain the full benefit of Martyrdom in difficulties above Malice (not counting that one buff in Mortis Trials)

[normal eagle]

i just yoinked a decent roll with 60 mobi and im not sure if that or heat management is the dump stat

[slow spade]

And now they can get revived without being punished for their greed UwU

[slow spade]

It has higher base mobility than the PS so probably mobility is the dump stat

[turbid ibex]

Youre still getting weaker healing stims unfortunately

[slow spade]

But idk how heat management works on falchion other than its probably good

[slow spade]

They never healed anyways

[floral creek]

Is Get Back In The Fight! good?

[turbid ibex]

According to the post it has longer duratio before overheating but the cooldown takes longer

Compared to relic sword

[bitter scroll]

how's falchion

[normal bay]

Anyone know if the enemy health increases are going to cause issues for Heavy Sword and Caxe?

[willow prairie]

uh

[tame lodge]

It wasn't

[willow prairie]

power sword reign supreme

[tame lodge]

But idk if it changed

So idk

Gbtf might still be trash

[slow spade]

Oh that talent

[tame lodge]

Eh

[slow spade]

It was always shit compared to its alternative

Probably still is

[tame lodge]

The cool down went down from 30 to 20

[mortal aspen]

the team toughness share talent got buffed, seems pretty pog

[slow spade]

Oh it's shit then

[tame lodge]

Also more stamina I think

[cunning haven]

think the field improv is better

[mortal aspen]

20% share and 50% coherency radius

[cunning haven]

no, was always 50% stamina

[tame lodge]

So yeah
Gbitf still 💀

[proper otter]

is the general consensus that issues are fixed or do some people still want new signature abilities

[slow spade]

Yeah seems pretty good c:

[slow spade]

Well the main issue was the lack of new weapons

[meager echo]

lol

[slow spade]

We're still using the same shit but tweaked a bit

[midnight wyvern]

I want new issues

[turbid ibex]

Most issues fixed

[bitter scroll]

good lort

[slow spade]

Tactical Awareness nerf just for you

[bitter scroll]

also is the screen blur from popping a stim while stealthed gone

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-problems-always-i-want-problems-always-gif-12394244509897766947

[slow spade]

Rip VoC spam every 2 seconds

[eternal venture]

Don't think so. It wasn't mentioned anywhere

I'll test it before sleep

[slow spade]

Just realized with Chorus and Tac Awareness nerfs, how will I do Havoc 1 now 😔

[mortal aspen]

long live permanent Exe Stance

[tame lodge]

Gotta stick to tutorial now

[willow prairie]

this is real and true

[slow spade]

But that means I have to aim :c

[mortal aspen]

I actually felt unkillable in Exe stance today

[finite cobalt]

Is that new sword part of the powerswrod family or is it a fully new weapon?

[willow prairie]

the fov change is fucking annoying though

[eternal venture]

Can't believe they actually enticed us to pick the anti-ogryn talent for Exe

[slow spade]

New sword family it seems

[finite cobalt]

Oh! Nice

[turbid ibex]

New

[slow spade]

It has 2 marks

[slow spade]

Yeah it seems pretty good now that it effects more stuff

[midnight wyvern]

and makes mark last longer

[mortal aspen]

it is.
and I swear it also slows your camera rurn speed

turn*

[slow spade]

Indeed c: though got to see if I can fit it in 😔

[safe kiln]

does the new covering fire apply to self?

or is it still

only allies

is it still garbage

[eternal venture]

This is the big thing

[safe kiln]

also longshot buffed??

[eternal venture]

8-second timer duration makes refreshing Exe lickety split

[turbid ibex]

Should be pretty simple to test in the meatgrinder

[eternal venture]

Longshot got buffed yes

It now provides the minimum value whenever possible

[turbid ibex]

Longshot finally beats the longshit allegations

[midnight wyvern]

🤌

[willow prairie]

psword + plasma eating good this patch lmao

[grand perch]

8 seconds feel like an eternity really

But I used the ogryn subnode anyway, nice to have that additional bonus

[grand perch]

I'm not sure longshot will really help out with new breakpoints on plasma

[safe kiln]

rip tactical awareness nerf, expected but still

[grand perch]

More math needed

[normal bay]

Can barely screenshot the tree with these ads on gameslantern now

[willow prairie]

also markman

[slow spade]

Especially now that scabs got huge buffs

[willow prairie]

longshot is permanent 10-25 ranged damage now

markman is really good this patch

[grand perch]

Plasma has bad finesse modifier, mmf doesn't do much for it

[random jetty]

you really out here in 2025 not using ad block huh

[willow prairie]

20% strength for hitting weakspot with range weapon once

[willow prairie]

marksman

not mmf

[grand perch]

Oh wait you mean marksman the yellow talent

[pseudo fiber]

PLAY SILENT HILL F

[slow spade]

I know they said "reduced crusher spawns" but I do wonder if its "reduced" or the Fatshark reduced doubled

[pseudo fiber]

Available now

[normal bay]

I've been dealing with them for so long, I barely even notice them unless they're this intrusive lol

[signal hawk]

How’s the power Falchion?

[safe kiln]

ooo mmf got buffed

[tepid otter]

Kinda laggy to be in matches atm, not sure if its just me

[lofty sable]

The weapon with lawbringer in its name and arbites doesn't get it? Bruh moment (just kidding, even tho it would have been sick)

[river owl]

GW moment

[eternal venture]

Servers are probably overloaded right now

[random jetty]

almost certainly server sweat since the player count is pretty high and fresh updates

[bitter scroll]

augh i lost all my builds

[surreal mountain]

How're things looking

[stiff glacier]

new bolter feels bit meh

or does it need some spesific blessings?

[boreal goblet]

What in the God-Emperor,

Are you saying marksman stance applies to Melee Attacks right now?

[proper otter]

yeah i was about to say the high aoe is funny but it doesnt do much damage so, im not sure hwat they were going for

[turbid ibex]

Pretty sure pinning fire is a instapick

[shy parcel]

Use it with lethal prox

It’s a group stagger stick

[turbid ibex]

Thats only on the bistol

[shy parcel]

Oh whoops

[turbid ibex]

The actual bolter doesnt have it

[surreal mountain]

I love your pfp omg

[safe kiln]

neither brunts nor melk shop have any items wha

new bug?

[surreal mountain]

👀

[pseudo fiber]

They're just off for now

[safe kiln]

but why?? guess its time to rng for a power saber drop...

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

Because the shops for Melk and Brunt are useless anyways

You buy grey items to roll for the stats you want and upgrade it.

[eternal venture]

Melk's used for Curios

but that's it

[safe kiln]

I mean

can't even buy a grey item now..

[surreal mountain]

I like talking to the NPCs

[sudden cedar]

@eternal venture True

[turbid ibex]

Only really possible if you have a pile of materials hoarded

[safe kiln]

oh wait nvm grey item is not disabled

[mortal aspen]

pile of docket specifically

[sudden cedar]

Indeed they aren't.

[surreal mountain]

Grey item not disabled 🙏

[bitter scroll]

initial focus target/support build

[turbid ibex]

And materials too

[proper otter]

did they change the heavy sword what is the purpose of this weapon lmao

[tame lodge]

It kills everything

Not Carapace

[turbid ibex]

Horde clear

[surreal mountain]

It's so streamlined 🥲
I didn't think we'd ever be able to do that on Vet

[bitter scroll]

RIGHT?

no more spider webs

[eternal venture]

Also oneshotting muties with the strikedown mark

[surreal mountain]

This is almost as big of a buff as the Hellbore finally getting sights

[eternal venture]

Does pretty well vs. Ragers too

[bitter scroll]

oh shit right the hellbore sights

[eternal venture]

I'm a fan of the Falchion now though

[polar topaz]

What's the difference between the mk4 and mk6 bolt pistols? does the mk6 just have one less round and less damage?

[sudden cedar]

Bigger explosion

[turbid ibex]

Mk6 has bigger boom

[mortal aspen]

Don't forget One Motion got buffed by 100%

[bitter scroll]

hooooly shit

[surreal mountain]

I could cry

Master has given Dobby a sock

[polar topaz]

can the bigger boom proc the bleed blessing?

[mortal aspen]

the bleed was never aoe

[eternal venture]

lmao

[meager echo]

vet is so busted right now haha, no more tax point

[eternal venture]

It's so nice

[mortal aspen]

#nerfvet

[eternal venture]

SO much better than before

[eternal venture]

Finally, after all these years

Just gotta wait for some fun new ranged weapons at some point

[meager echo]

free point and stamina buff, so good

so comfy right now

[bitter scroll]

actually with crushers being buffed are krak nades worth bringing now

[eternal venture]

Probably

[bitter scroll]

plus we get 3 now

[turbid ibex]

Kraks also got buffed directly

[bitter scroll]

and 4 with nadier

[turbid ibex]

And shorter fuse

[mortal aspen]

giga buffed

[surreal mountain]

720p screenshot does not help 😂

But what a difference

WORKING SIGHTS AFTER TWO YEARS

[queen sky]

kraks are in a fantastic position now, not only are they a really short fuse and you carry more, but it's almost free to take the 60sec grenade regen perk so you can use them liberally

[surreal mountain]

This has been the only gun I've used

[sick cedar]

Question, what does ranged finesse strength refer to?

[surreal mountain]

NO FUCKING WAY DID THEY BUFF KRAKS

[queen sky]

weakspot damage

[bitter scroll]

they did!

[sick cedar]

Yeah

[sick cedar]

Oh so it's just finesse?

[proper otter]

lol why on earth did they buff krak grenade

[sick cedar]

They buffed crushers, so.

[surreal mountain]

Slow >:(

[proper otter]

i thoguht they were already pretty amazing

[bitter scroll]

because crushers also got buffed

[turbid ibex]

Weakspot and crits

[sick cedar]

Great minds think alike

[bitter scroll]

they're so much better now

[surreal mountain]

Vet getting buffed feels like a dream

[sick cedar]

I stopped using kraks after doing the penance with them

[turbid ibex]

The 2 limit held the back a lot

[sick cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-i-used-to-pray-meek-mill-dreams-and-nightmares-dreams-and-nightmares-michael-jordan-gif-4600240804856944817

[night wing]

yo guys how do you build the MK1 power falchion in terms of perks and blessings

[slow spade]

oh yeah this is just straight up required lmao

[proper otter]

damn i always thought the damage was owrth it anyway

[queen sky]

yeah baby! the direct buffs are just +1 krak and 1-second fuses, but indirectly it's also a LOT easier to pick up grenade perks for minimal opportunity cost thanks to the new Veteran tree layout

[surreal mountain]

Where text go

[turbid ibex]

Not really

[surreal mountain]

YEAHH

[turbid ibex]

Specially with their positioning on the tree

[surreal mountain]

Time to put another 400 hours into Vet

[queen sky]

now if you see a big guy with armour, you can just throw a krak at them and not worry about saving them for a Spawn or something

[mortal aspen]

it's great

[queen sky]

veteran grenade economy has never been better

[surreal mountain]

The Vet moment of throwing a krak grenade at a crusher only for your teammate to kill it before the grenade has gone off will finally be reduced

[drifting verge]

Time to finally pick up vet again my first level 30

Power falchion set up and new vet build anyone?

Ill take pictures of the vet build I made by going “that seems useful”

[queen sky]

demolition stockpile, the blue node right above VOC, is basically mandatory since most everyone's still taking VOC

so almost every vet build is gonna be regenerating +1 grenade every 60 seconds

[red robin]

Neat

[sick cedar]

Are the marksman focus modifers worth it

[red robin]

Also

[sick cedar]

Or nah

[bitter scroll]

mkIII boltgun is slower and deals less but it feels very satisfying

[red robin]

Did commodore update?

[sick cedar]

Cause I'm debating taking them on the helbore

[sick cedar]

Not yet

[red robin]

Blowing my head off

[polar topaz]

Wasn't everyone already taking this?

[mortal aspen]

I'm personally going to play Exe a lot more

[pseudo fiber]

They have been datamined tho

[drifting verge]

Just went “that looks neat”

[queen sky]

I wasns't, at least

[bitter scroll]

redirect fire is always good

[mortal aspen]

it's so good

[turbid ibex]

Youre the exception then

[red robin]

Yo what new weapon cosmetics?

[queen sky]

that's a FT subnode?

[pseudo fiber]

Noone has posted them yet I'm afraid

[bitter scroll]

yar

[pseudo fiber]

Seems every is getting 2 helmets tho

[bitter scroll]

oh wait

[turbid ibex]

Free grenade regen is one of the strongest things you can get

[red robin]

Neat

[bitter scroll]

i read wrong

[red robin]

Hoping for vigilant/Helbore skin

[sick cedar]

I like that all the vet nade nodes are not easily accesible

[queen sky]

opportunity cost was too great considering my build, it was too far out the way

things are different now with the new vet tree layout

[turbid ibex]

It was right above shout

[queen sky]

not only is grenade regen more meaningful, but it's less cost

[queen sky]

got a screenshot of the old vet tree?

[sick cedar]

Tried making a semi-sniper vet build

Using the helbore and falchion

I still need to do some testing and play around with the nodes to see what sticks and what doesn't,though

[turbid ibex]

No but it was 100% right above shout

[umbral scaffold]

Gimme a bonkers build rn

[sick cedar]

@umbral scaffold

[umbral scaffold]

thx

[keen gyro]

Knife vet has been buffed so good

its peak

[sick cedar]

I like just being a sniper for the team tbh

[drifting verge]

Whuh

The armory exchange is disabled still?

But the update is out

[sick cedar]

As in picking off elites with executioner's stance

[sick cedar]

It's not disabled for me

Just not updated

It seems

[drifting verge]

I meant the place to buy guns mb

[sick cedar]

Oh

[drifting verge]

I call commodore the slopshop and the armory exchange the commodore

[sick cedar]

Yeah it's down for some reason

You can still buy the grey version of guns though

[turbid ibex]

Infiltrate icon on gameslantern looks weird

[shut orbit]

Does the crusher HP buff affect auric/havoc too?

[sick cedar]

Scrambled cause it's stealthy, duh

[eternal venture]

Weakspot damage and crit damage

[drifting verge]

Just got a 0 percent damage falchion

Peak

[eternal venture]

It got missingno'd

[keen gyro]

now would it be worth bringing the extra grenade or nah

[drifting verge]

I got the tickler

[eternal venture]

I also wish we could chain stealth timers after using Infiltrate

Like if you could extend the stealth duration with headshots ala Exe Stance

[drifting verge]

Hey it’s dumpstat is mobility right?

[bitter scroll]

what the hell

[sick cedar]

Yeah

[sick cedar]

Those were already in the game before

[keen gyro]

yeah the knife buff

[sick cedar]

The Accatran's best friend

[keen gyro]

it was 20% brittleness though

[turbid ibex]

Exploit weakness got replaced

[normal bay]

They really buried shock trooper all the way down the left tree

[keen gyro]

not a flat +20% damage

[sick cedar]

I made a dumbass bolter exec stance build

Do you guys wanna see it

[heavy rover]

I'd say it's usable now

[cerulean grail]

Question: what’s the best keystone and Ult for a Bolter Veteran for High Havocs?

[keen gyro]

i am makin new plas-knife build

[sick cedar]

It's really just

You just spray till you have 1 bolt left in the magazine

And then keep going

Is it optimal? Probably not

[sly orchid]

vet now summons a portal directly into the warp

[sick cedar]

Okay nevermind doing some testing in an ideal scenario you can just continuously bolter fire and still have time to reload

Just need to make sure you have at least 1 round left in the magazine

This shit is so goofy

I need to test how it does with the new mark, though

[turbid oracle]

So is chainaxe activated bad like the chainsword was?

[bitter scroll]

i went all in with all the perks on the right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ywmY4IzMRU

[tardy vine]

Is VOC still mandatory?

[sick cedar]

Honestly tactical reload might be dumpable with volley adept

Now that I am testing it

Plus volley adept doesn't decay it seems

[eternal venture]

There's probably more of an argument for Exe Stance in Havoc now

Anything below Havoc, run whatever you want

[sick cedar]

Yeah you can drop tac reload

Volley adept all the way

[tardy vine]

That's nice

[eternal venture]

But Exe is great personal surviviability now on top of your killing potential

I need to get back to H40 to really test it

We all got reset back to H30 today

[sick cedar]

I just wanna make the helbore more viable

[shut orbit]

Any easy way to know how much rending you need to pen carapace? specifically for infantry autoguns

[sick cedar]

I will live and die by that lasgun

[eternal venture]

Helbore is plenty viable!

[cerulean grail]

Let us know when you do.

[sick cedar]

My beloved

[eternal venture]

Might not be for a bit lol

[sick cedar]

Meh

I'll use it either way

[eternal venture]

Helbore is legit one of the best vet guns

[sick cedar]

I found my niche and I am happy with it

[turbid ibex]

Helbore is really good

[eternal venture]

it's not bad by any means

at all

[tame lodge]

No such thing as easy

[sick cedar]

I recall when it was bad

[tame lodge]

They always were

[turbid ibex]

Arbites

[sick cedar]

Or well

[eternal venture]

It's just one of the few guns that actually takes practice

[sick cedar]

People said they were

[eternal venture]

It wasn't ever bad, but it was a lot harder to use before the buffs

[shut orbit]

Just wondering if Onslaught + rending strikes + Chink in their Armor is overkill lol

[eternal venture]

in a game where plasma existed

[sick cedar]

It's more so the one gun I never refused to drop

[shut orbit]

It's litteraly just for Crushers too

[sick cedar]

I just found that it tickled that itch in the folds of my brain

[eternal venture]

Helbore is the closest thing we have to a longlas right now, so I'm ride-or-die on the Helbore

Sniping is fun!

[sick cedar]

Hell yeah.

[sick cedar]

The only scenario in which I'll drop the helbore is if we get a true longlas or other sniper rifle equivalent

Like a needler

[compact plume]

Got a no items available screen for Melk and the requestions at the armory.

[sick cedar]

Yeah the item shops are quasi disabled

[eternal venture]

Yeah same

Or a Purgatus Crossbow

or something similar

[tame lodge]

Dear '-', if Arby's easy why players die with it, sincerely Q.

[turbid ibex]

Skill issue

[tame lodge]

True

[sick cedar]

I am only dropping it if we get another weapon that I can frankenstein into a sniper rifle

(the vigilant doesn't count, I don't like it)

[thin stone]

I'm not home from work yet, but can I have an updated veteran build

[turbid ibex]

They got buffed btw

[sick cedar]

How so?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

It's a whole list

[thin stone]

Ayo

[sick cedar]

Oh huh

You're right

I MIGHT give it a try

[tame lodge]

Like

It's a whole list

[turbid ibex]

Zarona revolver and bolter can also be used like snipers

[sick cedar]

Yeah but I could never truly enjoy those

A part of why I like the helbore is the charge mechanic tbh

[tame lodge]

A whole

List

[sick cedar]

Yeah

I'll test it

[bitter scroll]

i thought this said "transfem into a sniper rifle" for some reason

[cerulean grail]

Seriously… why nerf the Headhunter Autoguns??

[turbid ibex]

It was a buff

[tame lodge]

They got buffed

[sick cedar]

I mean, whatever makes you happy and go out onot the frontlines.

[tame lodge]

What are you on about

[sick cedar]

Hm

Killzone seems okayish

[cerulean grail]

Look at the ADM

[sick cedar]

8 seconds feels like a long time though

I might just take lock and load

[cerulean grail]

I tested it. They are literally weaker in terms of damage vs Carapace.

[desert valve]

This makes no difference to me considering I exclusively play the game at 66% audio.

[tame lodge]

Always have been

So nothing changed

Lmfao

[thin stone]

So umm

Updated builds for veteran?

[sick cedar]

Yeah I tend to listen to a podcast or music while playing

[sick cedar]

What kind?

[ember nest]

First: log in

Then: test

[thin stone]

I haven't even gotten home yet from work

[tame lodge]

Bro's shooting carapace with Vigi

[desert valve]

Oh, so you're the sort of guy that ignores the Bomber stomping around 3ft behind him.
Good to know.

[tame lodge]

Like c'mon man

[tall torrent]

Confirmed Kill (1)
-> Longshot / One Motion (2)
-> Close Order Drill (3)
-> Shredder Frag Grenade (4)
-> 10% reload speed / 15 toughness (5)
-> Superiority Complex + Iron Will + Trench Fighter Drill (8)
-> Field Improvisation / Serrated Blade (9)
-> Catch a Breath (10)
-> Survivalist (11)
-> Grenadier + Demolition Stockpile (13)
-> Voice of Command + Duty & Honour (15)
-> 1 stamina + 10%Rdmg + 15%Mdmg (18)
-> Precision Strikes + Demolition Team + Reciprocity (21)
-> Tactical Awareness + Desperado (23)
-> 25 toughness + Agile Engagement + 25 toughness + Skirmisher (27)
-> Bring it Down! + Exploit Weakness (29)
-> Weapon Specialist (30)

[tame lodge]

At least

Try

[midnight wyvern]

game good, servers fucking dying xD

[thin stone]

Weapons needed?

[midnight wyvern]

loving the reworks

[sick cedar]

I listen to music/podcasts at an appropiate volume to hear them

[desert valve]

Why are you listening to music instead of the Darktide soundtrack.

[tall torrent]

this is pretty barebones

[sick cedar]

I usually listen to podcasts

[thin stone]

Disposal unit my beloved

[sick cedar]

It's music sparsely

[thin stone]

Darktide soundtrack is GOAT

[sick cedar]

Yeah I love it

[desert valve]

Imperial Advance gets me in the mood to Magdump the Karnak Twins.

[sick cedar]

I just tend to enjoy it more in my spare time cause I tend to focus too much on the game to notice the OST

[thin stone]

Bro emerged from his slumber for new update lol

[sick cedar]

So I might just have Immortal Imperium playing when I'm doing the dishes

[sick cedar]

That's why you take kraks with vigil, no?

[thin stone]

You take joe mama

[desert valve]

^

[sick cedar]

I always take that

[tame lodge]

That or a good melee

[mortal aspen]

DN is a great talent now

[thin stone]

What's DN

[mortal aspen]

💀

[mortal aspen]

DEEZ NUTS

[thin stone]

DeathNutter?

[cerulean grail]

You used to be able to. I know that it was one of my favorites. I enjoy sniper rifles, and I don’t particularly like non-ballistic weapons.

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-stare-meme-angry-gif-14312537171363175004

[thin stone]

Got me good

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/vampire-the-masquerade-miss-velour-wife-staring-bloodlines-gif-17439473225677890316

[desert valve]

I am rather fond of the Chainaxe.

[sick cedar]

The Benevolent Helbore:

[tame lodge]

Bro's shooting carapace with Vigi

[thin stone]

Did any guns get nerfed?

[desert valve]

Boltgun has less ammo now.

[cerulean grail]

Again… I don’t like non-ballistic weapons.

[thin stone]

Well fuck

[bitter scroll]

also to answer my own question; no

[slow spade]

LOL

[desert valve]

Use Scavenger, Noob.

[slow spade]

amazing

[tame lodge]

Boltgun has less ammo

[thin stone]

Sybau

[slow spade]

100 -> 90 max ammo

rip bolter

bricked

[thin stone]

Bricked fr

[bitter scroll]

me when i take off my glasses

[thin stone]

Dedge

[tame lodge]

Fatshark nerfed boltgun just to make way for Baoelter

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/underwater-hello-im-under-water-selfie-smile-gif-16028538

[sick cedar]

God I love trench fighter drill

[desert valve]

You WILL use Scavenger.
You WILL passively support your Team.
You WILL have a reason to engage Elites in Melee instead of turning them into Spaghetti Chunks with your Boltgun.

[cerulean grail]

Again… in the interest of a fair conversation/argument, you used to be able to. The ADM currently is too low. I never played Headhunters after they got renamed to Vigilants granted, but prior to that, Marksman’s Focus Headhunters had good TTK vs Carapace.

[sick cedar]

I never could use it

Not that I disliked it

[thin stone]

No

[sick cedar]

Just never really had the chance to

[thin stone]

[desert valve]

Okay cool.
30 fucking Crushers upon ye.

[regal belfry]

what do you think about the chainsword now

[sick cedar]

I've yet to try it

[midnight wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172931856916807791/1386046428350255206/thebiter.gif

[sick cedar]

Post update, I mean

[bitter scroll]

it feels worse

[thin stone]

Dies from ligma

[bitter scroll]

the chainsword i mean

[sick cedar]

God it feels so good having a more streamlined talent tree

[midnight wyvern]

whats ligma?

[polar topaz]

I might actually play vet now the power falch is so good

[sick cedar]

joe mama

https://tenor.com/view/drmanhattan-watchman-delete-erase-gif-4932378

[tame lodge]

The thing that killed Steve jobs

I still have no idea who Steve jobs is

[bitter scroll]

he's the guy who invented the j*b application

[turbid ibex]

Guy who founded apple

[sick cedar]

Okay I think for now I figured out the builds for my previous setups

[bitter scroll]

big deal i found an apple too

[sick cedar]

I still gotta master the falchion

Figure out the perks and blessings that work

[midnight wyvern]

[sick cedar]

Funnily enough, my friend said he had a dream where vet didn't get a rework

And I crashed out

[regal belfry]

and vet now had a rework

[polar topaz]

perils

[sick cedar]

Funnily enough, this is the second time I appeared in his dreams

At least that I know of

[bitter scroll]

arbiter has been removed from the game

please clap

[sick cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-arbiter-gif-19953882

[bitter scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo-ce-halo-ending-legendary-halo-legendary-ending-gif-3300378300731187819

[rapid patrol]

what keystone should i run?

[sick cedar]

Prolly survivalist or fire team

Depends

But mostly survivalist

[turbid ibex]

Thats the aura

[sick cedar]

Fuck

Well either way

I'm not wrong

[rapid patrol]

yeah i did fireteam

[turbid ibex]

Fireteam is prob the weakest one of the bunch

[bitter scroll]

weapons specialist is fun

[polar topaz]

They're all pretty good as far as I can see melee spec for melee and marksman focus for like reconlasgun

[shut orbit]

The amount of toghness regen per second you can get now is insane, especially with the +40% toughness regen from left keystone

[bitter scroll]

but if you want something more generalized go with focus target

[sick cedar]

Marksman can also work for helbore now

But I'm not sure

[turbid ibex]

+5% damage is kind of a nothingburger compared to replenishing ammo or faster move speed

[sick cedar]

I think focus target still works better with the helbore cause of the single shot damage it has

[polar topaz]

they got rid of the losing stacks while moving so i'd imagine it would work with anything you'd just get the stacks faster with a high rpm weapon

[bitter scroll]

oh word??

[turbid ibex]

You need to kill to get stacks

[shut orbit]

Stacks also decay insanely slow

[rapid patrol]

so i should run the helbor then?

[shut orbit]

You sit at 12+ most of the time

[turbid ibex]

Hits just refresh duration

[sick cedar]

Yeah but I'm just weird like that

And I look at everything through the lens of "does it work with my beloved?

I think marksman focus wins over focus target with helbore because the additional finesse and rending means the single shot burst of damage potential is larger

[warm idol]

is the armory exchange and melk store empty for anyone else?

[zinc surge]

is toughness replenishment coherency regen?

[shut orbit]

The fast firing infantry autogun with marksman two-shots everything without carapace now lmao

[warm idol]

also I know it's pretty early but what's the dump stat for power falc? im guessing mobility

[dawn garnet]

@tall torrent i have most of the ranged damage nodes this thing is a fucking mistake

[cerulean grail]

Take some rending or Brittleness.

[polar topaz]

Also because you keep the extra damage between targets and you don't have to wait for stacks to mark a new target though I'd imagine you would do less single target damage because focus target can reach 30% more damage for the entire team

[open ravine]

Hmm did they unnerf shock trooper to apply to all crits again or does it still have a internal cooldown

[shut orbit]

Kraks go brr, they one shot crushers, you get them back insanely quick and crushers spawn less often now

[topaz lance]

I want to get revolver to one shot a Crusher.

[untold mulch]

I believe been "fixed" for a while

[tall torrent]

avg boltpistol performance

lol

[dawn garnet]

you know how your problem with boltpistol is that it does too little damage

WELL THIS ONE DOES LESS

[shut orbit]

Both the new boltweapon marks seem like a meme

[sick cedar]

Tbh I use focus target with the helbore almost exclusively on crushers/maulers

[polar topaz]

should make the explosion apply the bleed blessing

gun shredder frag

[tall torrent]

No
I don’t like it because it’s off in everything

[dawn garnet]

well this one is worse :3

[untold mulch]

lmao

[polar topaz]

does it have the weird aimpunch on firing still?

[dawn garnet]

yes

its exactly the same but worse :3

[polar topaz]

ok but it sounds different

[polar topaz]

if it had the +strength on stagger blessing I'd imagine it would be ok

[dawn garnet]

idk if pinning would make it better

[polar topaz]

the AOE stagger is pretty big so you'd proc it easy

it's like 6m~

[cerulean grail]

I prefer my guns, but you do you.

[bold sierra]

kraks explode fast now hell yeah

and u get 3

[cerulean grail]

I also prefer Frags

[bold sierra]

well that's the thing, you CAN build differently now and not HAVE to bring strictly elite-killing weapons now

what do you think I'm saying lol

[clever hedge]

Power falchion, yay or nay?

[uneven cloud]

How the new veteran perks feeling?

[polar topaz]

it's peak

[bold sierra]

good stuff

[polar topaz]

the mk1 pushattack light combo is great for ragers

[sour elbow]

oh this new vet skill tree pleases me very much.

[uneven cloud]

A…

[floral creek]

More like

[uneven cloud]

A good darktide update…

[floral creek]

Peak Falchion

[uneven cloud]

in this economy?

[sour elbow]

Does Rending Strikes affect ALL weapons or just melee weapons?

[uneven cloud]

-# ignoring the drip

[cerulean grail]

The same thing that I was saying. As long as you have some anti-carapace tool in your kit, it’s fine.

[cerulean grail]

All.

[sour elbow]

Sweet, my lasrifle gets an upgrade. ty for answering

[open ravine]

You know what I just realised the new bolter marks are for the arbites because it staggers more enemies than the standard bolter thanks to it's larger aoe and will synergies with the arbites stagger skills

[cerulean grail]

Also no one answered my question: which Keystone for Bolter vet?

[polar topaz]

I think the mk1 falchion push attack light combo might be the highest dps into armor on the weapon

[turbid ibex]

Any works

[tame lodge]

If you accept that it's a worse but more nimble Psword

Then yay

[clever hedge]

Weapon specialist

[cerulean grail]

And which Ult?

[midnight wyvern]

if you want bosses to die very hard, focus target good with bolter

[clever hedge]

VoC

[open ravine]

Focus target which I think is better or weapon specialist if you are going hybrid as you are less likely to hit a weak spot with a bolter

[cerulean grail]

You would be surprised. But in general I really like Weapons Specialist. And VoC. Although VoC is so incredibly boring.

[turbid ibex]

How are you less likely

[open ravine]

I like it too but for a range focus I would go focus target

[cerulean grail]

I wish Yellow Toughness was reworked.

Too strong

Too universally good.

[topaz lance]

I wish VoC was removed from the game.

[open ravine]

Bigger projectile means more likely to hit the body instead of the head

[turbid ibex]

Its not

[cerulean grail]

This

And Chorus

[open ravine]

It is

[turbid ibex]

Projectiles prioritise weakspots over body

[turbid oracle]

Did the vigilant autoguns really need that nerf to their ammo and HS multipliers? Gonna check out how they feel but it needs to be a huge improvement since I could already hit the heads (and not kill things in a single shot) with them

[ember nest]

nah screw that infil vet needs to die before anything else does

[turbid ibex]

No matter the size

[open ravine]

No

[polar topaz]

what if instead of gold toughness it just granted like 70% toughness damage reduction and refilled the toughness of those in range?

[open ravine]

Plasma almost never hits the head

[turbid ibex]

Their base damage is much higher and theres been other improvements as well

Specially maniac adm

[cerulean grail]

Not to mention the ADM

[cerulean grail]

It got a buff… of all things

For some reason

[turbid ibex]

It got a buff cause it wasnt really good

[topaz lance]

sounds better, but make it like 40% for 10 seconds or something. Still strong.

[cerulean grail]

Stealth isn’t good? That’s a new take. Sure compared to Gold Toughness nothing is good.

[orchid hemlock]

The build

Zealot tree walked so we can die 👏

[ember nest]

zealot vs zealot that screams

[turbid ibex]

Having the damage modifier built in to the base ability now incentivizes people using it to actually engage into combat

[orchid hemlock]

Truly a sad day

[silver patrol]

is this a revolver build

or bolt gun

[orchid hemlock]

Brother this is an ALL build

[turbid ibex]

It was alright but it didnt really do much on its own

[polar topaz]

I'd say that would be too far a nerf right now VOC basically makes you invulnerable I'd like it to be at least as good as the arbites "True grit"

[silver patrol]

i dunno i wouldn't run that with plasma gun

[turbid oracle]

Yeah just check and they're kinda crappy now

[orchid hemlock]

We have become Zealot

[silver patrol]

are you guys saying they nerfed the vigilant autoguns

[turbid oracle]

at least you could randomly stay on target before, now you have to reaquire every time unless you don't like firing quickly.

[turbid ibex]

They got buffed

[turbid oracle]

They changed em more like, I don't like how they did but I'm sure other people do.

[shut orbit]

What's the dumpstat for hellbore lasguns?

[silver patrol]

worse against hard targets?

[orchid hemlock]

WS has been the meta keystone for Plasma for over a year

Did you come back from launch? 🤔

[turbid ibex]

A bit but against pretty much everything else its better

[silver patrol]

has it

[turbid ibex]

Specially maniac

[tame lodge]

Stability

[turbid oracle]

Recoil on the 3 shot from the center of the psykanium now lets you headshot a trapper by aiming at their crotch the vertical recoil is that much more

[wicked epoch]

assuming mobility is the falchions dumpstat?

[tame lodge]

Should be

What stats does it have

[silver patrol]

i thought the buffs were all about making them usable in accuracy and recoil

[tame lodge]

Most likely mobility

[cerulean grail]

Exactly. You used to be able to get an appreciable TTK vs Crushers? Now, I guess they kinda suck vs Carapace. A sniper rifle… that can’t penetrate.

[tame lodge]

The heat management

Although

[heavy rover]

Longshot finally bieng viable. Never thought I'd see the day it finally happens

[wicked epoch]

anyone know the blessings for it?

[tame lodge]

If you fuck up

You get locked for a long time

[wicked epoch]

itll be good

[tame lodge]

Probably Cranial + Heatsink

[wicked epoch]

thanks

[tame lodge]

Or

[turbid oracle]

Thats just the crusher buff you're seeing the only thing that changed vs carapace is the single shot getting better

[tame lodge]

Cranial Leakage

[wicked epoch]

precciate

[cerulean grail]

They nerfed them vs the important hard targets. Still decent vs anything not Carapace.

[tame lodge]

Bro still shooting carapace with Vigi

[silver patrol]

uhh that wasn't on the changelog was it

[shut orbit]

Vigil autoguns or hellbore after this patch?

[turbid oracle]

Lets hope their crusher spawn tweak 100% worked, because double health crushers in the same numbers they were will be interesting

[orchid hemlock]

Actually I'll take it a step further

It has been the best keystone for the majority of Vet builds 😈

[turbid ibex]

Carapace were not the important targets for shooting

[tame lodge]

Helbore still king

[cerulean grail]

No. Damage fell off by 50 percent per shot. Vs Crushers.

[slow spade]

man not liking the new Falchion

[turbid oracle]

Which gun?

[slow spade]

just feels like I can run away from enemies rather than kill them

[silver patrol]

kinda hate the new falchion moveset

[polar topaz]

mark 3 or mark 1?

[slow spade]

MK1

the new bolter is funny though

[polar topaz]

try push attack light into armor/rager very high dps

[turbid ibex]

Maniac is a much more valuable target for guns because of how many specialists have it

[slow spade]

that was like the only good move it had though

[harsh geyser]

How does get feels now?

[slow spade]

it's just not reliable enough

[honest quiver]

both marks?

[silver patrol]

both marks

[honest quiver]

troubling

[tame lodge]

Get?

[polar topaz]

the light-light heavy-> light heavy works well for horde clear

[honest quiver]

i'll have to check it out

[slow spade]

na it just isn't working

back to good old mark 6

I can't run like the Falchion can but then again I don't need to

[orchid hemlock]

It's good to see PS becoming a monster tho 😈

[wicked epoch]

sounds OP

[slow spade]

I tried it. Sadly underwhelming

as you need to 1-shot :p

[tame lodge]

Yeas but no

[wicked epoch]

shame

[turbid oracle]

Doesn't fall off on non 1 shot at least.

[tame lodge]

It's really hard to maintain

[safe kiln]

mk1 is alright ive been doing push light heavy

[polar topaz]

oneshot some trash and then you have like 120% finesse from one blessing yeah?

[wicked epoch]

wrath any good?

[tame lodge]

Because

You have to 100% to 0

[wicked epoch]

rip

[tame lodge]

Not 99.9% to 0

[polar topaz]

ah yeah that's fucked

[wicked epoch]

wrath any good?

[tame lodge]

A single teammate breathing on a target

[slow spade]

815 hp on a scab bruiser is a hard ask with the falchion it feels lol

[heavy rover]

does the power falchion have energy leakage?

[silver patrol]

i wish it had other finesse blessings instead of that

[tame lodge]

Messes it up

[tame lodge]

Yes

[slow spade]

yes

[heavy rover]

nice

[tame lodge]

Depends

I don't really have cleave values rn

So don't know if wrath is worth

[harsh geyser]

I’m working with like 4% brainpower give me a break

How does vet feel now after the rework?

[tame lodge]

But wrath has never been worth

[silver patrol]

i don't imagine it has any problem cleaving while powered on

[safe kiln]

stronger

[slow spade]

tried this out

the entire time I kept thinking "my mk6 would have been fine"

[turbid oracle]

Cranial still does finesse rather than just weakspot right?

[safe kiln]

its much more mobile than power sword

and no annoying special spam i kinda like it

moveset takes some time to get used to

[silver patrol]

tbh i wish they also swapped the powersword to this mechanic

so i wouldn't need to use a toothpick as a weapon

[slow spade]

to be fair, you have Rashad and Dueling Sword

though yeah rip in Havoc

[silver patrol]

Dueling sword has been found dead in a ditch

[slow spade]

oh right

I forgot the changes lol

no more heavy -> special for that burst damage

[silver patrol]

and generally worse finesse and armor pen

and active frames

[tropic halo]

I guess Falchion dump is power output?

[polar topaz]

nope mobility

[turbid ibex]

Mobility

[zealous jolt]

ps6 feels so much better than falc

[silver patrol]

what's that

oh power sword

[zealous jolt]

power sword mk 6

got to reset my combos so often with falc

[slow spade]

yeah light -> light -> heavy -> block cancel -> repeat was my horde clear

[zealous jolt]

and vet not having any of the uninterruptible tech doesnt make the heavy part feel good

[silver patrol]

the heavy is also slow as dirt

well especially on the mk1

[zealous jolt]

L->L->H->L->[H<->L]

[slow spade]

maybe falchion is ok with weapon special due to +25% melee attack speed and the other buffs

[zealous jolt]

i think thats the ideal horde clear combo but man i get interrupted so often

[slow spade]

I tried it with Focus Target for the funny bolter

[umbral scaffold]

anyone got any cool builds for the new rework? no clue how to build this class

[narrow widget]

Try weaving pushing and dodging into the combo more often

[silver patrol]

man i don't want to return to the knife

[narrow widget]

I've never been interrupted in a combo in darktide tho lmao

[heavy rover]

here's my build that I've updated with the new tree. The notes down bellow have a lot of flexibility https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-havoc

[slow spade]

"I've never been hit before"

[zealous jolt]

the push attack gooes mostly into single target

[narrow widget]

not push attack

just push

[zealous jolt]

yea push light light

but it feels awkward idk

[umbral scaffold]

i’ll give this a whirl

[safe kiln]

push light heavy

push skips first light attack

[umbral scaffold]

thank you friend

[safe kiln]

straight into second horizontal light

[silver patrol]

not really a fan of weapons with these tedious combos tbh

[slow spade]

been using this for my basic bitch vet build

[zealous jolt]

relic mk2 feels much better than this idkk why

[faint beacon]

New Grenadier vet is fucking ludicrous levels of OP

[turbid oracle]

With the same double heavy light stab combo right?

[zealous jolt]

yea mb it was push light heavy

[slow spade]

yeah I need to try it out lol

now that I don't need to throw points all across the tree, it should be pretty funny

[narrow widget]

WAIT THEY BUFFED LONGSHIT???

[turbid oracle]

I keep thinking the first heavy on the falchion (not sure which mark) is going to come from the right but its actually a strikedown

[narrow widget]

@hybrid plover

[silver patrol]

still running shred grenades?

[heavy rover]

yes

[zealous jolt]

PA->heavy for horde clear idk if its optimal

[narrow widget]

insane

[turbid oracle]

I think I have the other mark, because the one I was using was a strikedown on first heavy attack

[zealous jolt]

thats the mkx

[narrow widget]

but they didn't do anything for fire team????

so there's still no reason to not choose surv

[turbid ibex]

Move speed aura is pretty good

[neon current]

new boltguns are just superior

[narrow widget]

true but you can also get 5% movespeed from a stat node

[polar topaz]

eh they do less damage and have less ammo the new bolt pistol isn't better imo but the new boltgun is ok

[silver patrol]

oh right they added new bolt pistols right?

[tropic halo]

Yes

[turbid oracle]

Do the crushers not come in big easily cloven hordes now actually?

[tropic halo]

Crowd control/stagger guns

[cunning haven]

why everyone decline my join request in havoc since update 😭
i could only join a lvl 1 game

[turbid ibex]

Those dont make your teammates faster though

[silver patrol]

how do they compare to the revolver now

[slow spade]

counter-point: Sniper in a horde

[polar topaz]

new bolt pistol cannot oneshot headshot gunners without a crit

[narrow widget]

who gives a fuck you're gonna be the only one in your own coherency like 90% of the time

[silver patrol]

wowzers

[polar topaz]

it has a 6m explosion though

[native ocean]

I might actually run competitive urge on a build for the first time ever lmao

[turbid ibex]

Shrimply crit on every shot

[languid rose]

How's vet feeling? On par with Arby yet?

[slow spade]

one good thing about the new bolter is Pinning Fire is instant 5 stack guaranteed UwU

[silver patrol]

is it a bolt pistol or a grenade launcher

because damn

[slow spade]

no, but definitely feels better to play

[polar topaz]

I think it would be funny if the explosions caused the bleed blessing to proc

[native ocean]

It's so good, vet is back

[silver patrol]

they don't?

[slow spade]

god I still dream of bleed explosion combo

[polar topaz]

only on the target that is hit with the bullet

[atomic void]

people are testing it rn but the new tree looks good

[silver patrol]

and the bullet damage is the one that kills the target, i imagine

[polar topaz]

according to the patch notes more of the damage is "explosive" so maybe it kills bursters better

[narrow widget]

new tree looking great I just wish they would buff fire team at all

[tame lodge]

So

Nothing changed

[silver patrol]

rolled first bolt pistol and it's already a perfect roll

[tame lodge]

Bursters take 30 times explosive damage

[polar topaz]

old bolt pistol doesn't oneshot bursters though iirc

[silver patrol]

more explosive damage is worse rigth?

i don't think explosive damage benefits from finesse unless i'm wrong

[faint beacon]

Godwyn MkVI with it (New AOE BP) and its just

[polar topaz]

not really it's just that the new pistol does like 100 less base damage

[faint beacon]

nothing is allowed to move

nothing

[pseudo fiber]

Does new bolt pistol have any reason to not dump collat

[turbid ibex]

If it directly affects your damage output then chances are its not the dump stat

[silver patrol]

well mobility is also bad

[polar topaz]

maybe if you want to stagger ragers/crushers better

[turbid ibex]

It affects your accuracy while moving

[polar topaz]

no?

[livid hill]

Is marksmans focus good now!!

[polar topaz]

oh nvm it does

[turbid ibex]

On bistol it does

[pseudo fiber]

Better

[tame lodge]

Eh

[pseudo fiber]

You can move around and not lose stacks

[tame lodge]

Mixed

[deep bone]

Exe stance feels amazing

[tame lodge]

It's on a timer and still needs kills

So

Goodbye mmf on elevator

Or checkpoint

[silver patrol]

should have been permanent and resetted on a miss/received hit

[polar topaz]

no

decays one at a time for 5 seconds each

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[polar topaz]

over a full minute to lose all stacks

[tame lodge]

Goodbye on elevator

Checkpoints

[turbid ibex]

Isnt it 50 seconds

[tame lodge]

It's just DD conundrum all over again

[muted echo]

whats the newset hottest recon lagun build lads?

[narrow widget]

that's still really good

[woeful junco]

The stacks decay one at a time, you don't lose your full bonus at a checkpoint or in an elevator

[polar topaz]

can take talent to make max stacks 15

[frail citrus]

erm actually is 57 seconds

[turbid ibex]

Ye

[frail citrus]

so you’re BOTH wrong

[willow prairie]

use havoc forged

or ts if you have it

[serene bough]

Ill be looking forward to using MMF with exe

[livid hill]

Helpful if you build for it I should say*

[turbid ibex]

Ye it takes a while to lose all the stacks

[serene bough]

Is games lantern updated yet I want to theory craft builda while im at work

[silver patrol]

btw does helbore dump charge rate

[tame lodge]

Never

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

[tame lodge]

Stability dump